Speaker 1: Well, yeah, we did it. I know, we finally did it.
Speaker 2: It's finally happened. We've talked about this from the beginning, right,
Speaker 2: and here we are.
Speaker 3: We just kept saying, gosh, it's it's almost a perfect podcast.
Speaker 3: It's just one nagging thing that's stopping it from being perfect,
Speaker 3: and that's right or Strong.
Speaker 4: So thankfully he's gone.
Speaker 1: It's gone.
Speaker 4: We didn't did it.
Speaker 1: We did it high by view. He squeezed him out.
Speaker 1: Oh god, Oh it's about darn time.
Speaker 3: Oh obviously we are joking. We are so going to
Speaker 3: miss our dear friend writer Strong today. But he has
Speaker 3: a very good reason for not being here. Should we
Speaker 3: talk about jury duty?
Speaker 1: He has duty?
Speaker 4: He has jury duty.
Speaker 1: Have you ever have you ever been a juror?
Speaker 2: I have been an alternate once, but didn't make it
Speaker 2: to the final like I got cut right before I
Speaker 2: got to the Hollywood phase of.
Speaker 1: Idol, exactly. You didn't get the golden ticket.
Speaker 2: No, And this was when I was still keeping I
Speaker 2: was trying to keep my uh Connecticut residency, like my
Speaker 2: Connecticut uh resident. I know, what would it be called
Speaker 2: my Connecticut status?
Speaker 4: My I was still a member of the state.
Speaker 1: What would I think, Well, it's not another country.
Speaker 4: I know that's trying it. There's a word. I'm just
Speaker 4: the words not working.
Speaker 1: Buggie parking spot.
Speaker 2: Yes, So for years I kept my I voted absentee
Speaker 2: out of Connecticut. I had a Connecticut driver's license, and
Speaker 2: I would fly home for jury duty. Oh so I
Speaker 2: flew to Connecticut and the first time I did that,
Speaker 2: I was sitting there.
Speaker 4: I made it all the way to vad Deer.
Speaker 2: Okay, which is you know when you go you go there,
Speaker 2: they put you, you know, they put you in a
Speaker 2: giant room and then they pick you and they separate
Speaker 2: you to go into Then Okay, now you're in a
Speaker 2: courtroom and if there's a case, they're going to essentially
Speaker 2: audition you to be a and it's called wa Deer.
Speaker 2: So the first thing that happened was they said, okay,
Speaker 2: this is we can't say the name of the victim
Speaker 2: out loud, so we've written it on a piece of paper.
Speaker 2: If anybody, if anybody knows this person, please please speak
Speaker 2: up and say that. You know, now, the guy next
Speaker 2: to me, who's probably in his mid forties, is shaking
Speaker 2: like a leaf, like I can tell he does not
Speaker 2: want to be there. He just wants to get out
Speaker 2: of this as fast as possible. The note hits his hand.
Speaker 2: It's him, it's him, he said it was him. The
Speaker 2: note hits his hand, he opens it up. He goes,
Speaker 2: I know him, I know him known in my whole life.
Speaker 2: And the judge's like, wait, really, he goes yep, no,
Speaker 2: he goes, all right, I guess your excuse. Thanks boom,
Speaker 2: and guy bails like as fat, like he left a
Speaker 2: shaped hole in the door as he ran out of
Speaker 2: the thing. So they get to me and they I
Speaker 2: don't know the person. So they sit me up on
Speaker 2: the stand and they bring in wait.
Speaker 1: They set you up on the stand.
Speaker 2: Yes, So they bring us all one at a time
Speaker 2: on the stand and the lawyers then get to question
Speaker 2: you to see if you're going to be in I
Speaker 2: did not have this experience.
Speaker 3: Will really does things differently there, Okay, okay? Will They
Speaker 3: bring you up onto the stand.
Speaker 2: Up on the stand, and they start asking like you know,
Speaker 2: could you you know where were you?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: The prosecutors like could you keep an open mind? Can
Speaker 4: you do this? If I told that? I'm like, yes,
Speaker 4: no problem.
Speaker 2: And then the defendant's lawyer gets up and the defendants.
Speaker 2: Lawyer is like twenty seven okay, and he's got a
Speaker 2: suit on and he's got his clipboard and he says,
Speaker 2: mister Fredell, I'd like to start by saying that my
Speaker 2: niece and nephew and I are very big fans, and
Speaker 2: I'm hoping I can get a photo with you later.
Speaker 4: Now, would you be able to?
Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, I guess I just got
Speaker 2: recognized on the stand.
Speaker 1: And let me guess that's why you weren't picked.
Speaker 4: No, I was.
Speaker 2: Then I made their like we'll put you because they said,
Speaker 2: do you is this something you'd want to do? And
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I would love to kind of
Speaker 2: sit on a jury. Yes, And so they said, well,
Speaker 2: we'll pick you as an alternate. And so I got
Speaker 2: them already. You know, my parents are in the court
Speaker 2: system there, so you know they might judgment said, I
Speaker 2: know you're.
Speaker 3: Like, they're so proud of you made it.
Speaker 4: Insure you made it. I don't care about your television shows.
Speaker 4: You've made it.
Speaker 2: So the judge is like, I know your parents. I
Speaker 2: you know, I know I don't have to tell you
Speaker 2: not to talk to anybody. You'll be fine. So I
Speaker 2: get home that night and we all the jurors got
Speaker 2: to call from the judge saying they settled the case,
Speaker 2: we don't need you.
Speaker 4: So I was like so close. And then I've been
Speaker 4: called four.
Speaker 2: Times in Los Angeles when I switched my residency right
Speaker 2: I was looking for I was called four different times.
Speaker 2: I've only had to go in once and I was
Speaker 2: released the first day and the other three times you
Speaker 2: just call in and they said I didn't have to
Speaker 2: show up.
Speaker 4: So no, I've never actually been have you Have you
Speaker 4: done it? Have you been on a jury?
Speaker 1: I was on a jury and I was the foreman.
Speaker 2: No, well, first of all, of course you were. Of
Speaker 2: course you were the foreman. Wow, you didn't even have
Speaker 2: to tell me that. Of course you were the foreman.
Speaker 2: What happened?
Speaker 3: So it was the first time I had ever been
Speaker 3: called for jury duty. And I was like in my
Speaker 3: mid twenties, and I got called and I called in.
Speaker 1: And actually, at the time, you didn't even call in.
Speaker 1: You just had to go. You just had to show up.
Speaker 3: Now you can at least call and they'll tell you
Speaker 3: whether or not they need you to show up. So
Speaker 3: I went and I you know, we went through a
Speaker 3: similar process of the can you keep an open mind.
Speaker 3: But it was done more like as a group, like
Speaker 3: they asked us all individually, but we were sitting in
Speaker 3: the jury box, okay, and so they just kind of
Speaker 3: went down the line like can you do that, can
Speaker 3: you do this? Can you and was like yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 3: And there were a bunch of questions about we could
Speaker 3: tell it was going to have something to do with insurance,
Speaker 3: and it was like have you ever been in a
Speaker 3: bad car accident? Have you ever been you know, injured
Speaker 3: in an accident? Like there were so I could tell like, oh,
Speaker 3: I know where this is going, where we're headed.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, I got selected to be on the jury.
Speaker 4: And were you happy? Did you want to be on
Speaker 4: the jury?
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean at the time I was a little like, oh, wow,
Speaker 3: I guess I'm really doing this, But yes, I was excited.
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, this is going to be interesting.
Speaker 3: And I was looking at it like I went into
Speaker 3: it thinking great, I'm going to just be I'm going
Speaker 3: to watch how they do it.
Speaker 1: I'm going to learn kind of the way I.
Speaker 3: Sat and watched Bonnie work with David to figure out
Speaker 3: how to be an actor. I was like, I'm going
Speaker 3: to sit in this jury room and learn how to
Speaker 3: be a juror by watching all these other people. And
Speaker 3: a lot of the people in the jury room had
Speaker 3: already been jurors. They were like, oh, yeah, I've been
Speaker 3: doing this for a long time. And one guy at
Speaker 3: the time that we had to select the foreman was like,
Speaker 3: is this anybody's first time?
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, no, fine, and he.
Speaker 3: Was like, great, you should be the fore and then
Speaker 3: you should do it because this is a great learning opportunity.
Speaker 3: And I was like, this is exact opposite of what
Speaker 3: I was thinking.
Speaker 1: I was thinking, I'm Manube, I should be just sitting
Speaker 1: in the back. But I ended up being the foreman.
Speaker 1: It was pretty great.
Speaker 3: And yeah, we went to trial and we had to
Speaker 3: decide a dollar amount there. It had been a woman
Speaker 3: who was in a pretty severe car accident and she
Speaker 3: was asking for insurance to cover physical therapy and other
Speaker 3: types of treatment for her for the rest of her life.
Speaker 3: But the caveat to that was that she had already
Speaker 3: been in a previous accident where she had also been injured,
Speaker 3: and so it was trying to decide like, is this
Speaker 3: accident the reason the sole reason you need pet.
Speaker 1: For the rest of your life.
Speaker 3: So we ended up we ended up having to decide
Speaker 3: on a dollar amount that we awarded her that was
Speaker 3: supposed to then hopefully cover pt for if not the
Speaker 3: rest of her life, for a very long period of time,
Speaker 3: for the rest for life.
Speaker 1: But anyway, it was very interesting.
Speaker 4: So did anybody recognize you? Was anybody like, oh, my god,
Speaker 4: topangas on my jury.
Speaker 1: Not that I know of. No, nobody told me there.
Speaker 3: I was the youngest person there by twenty years or something,
Speaker 3: and uh yeah, and you know I was in my
Speaker 3: mid twenties. So it was it was really fun.
Speaker 1: I actually super enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: Uh, that's great. No, I've never been on the jury,
Speaker 4: been on trial. It's never been on right of course.
Speaker 1: Well, we know you're a murderer.
Speaker 4: Exactly, but actually acquitted, so a used murderer.
Speaker 1: How dare I do not confuse the two.
Speaker 2: I'd once again like to point out that that was
Speaker 2: our best, easiest, funniest pre show chatter.
Speaker 1: Every Yeah, no hang ups, nobody telling.
Speaker 3: Hang ups, no telling why we're wrong or we're having
Speaker 3: too much fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, correcting our grammar, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: I did miss a Hume mentioned though, right, I don't
Speaker 3: know what the philosophy of everything again?
Speaker 2: But this is why we now will get words like
Speaker 2: residency of kid because we don't have writer.
Speaker 1: They're going no grappling hooks. I don't know. I think.
Speaker 1: Let's see, let's see how the rest of this episode goes.
Speaker 2: How many times can this one kid smelt metal? I'm sorry, but.
Speaker 3: All before the age of eighteen telling you it's a
Speaker 3: logical question. He still never made me anything has made
Speaker 3: Jemmy no unbelievable.
Speaker 4: Aggravated, but that he's been doing since I was a kid.
Speaker 1: So come on, Welcome to Pond meets World.
Speaker 4: I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm Wilfredell And that's it.
Speaker 1: That's it, that's it. That's our show today.
Speaker 3: Guys, oh man, miss all right, walk up to most
Speaker 3: any nineties kid and utter the two words shallow boy
Speaker 3: and watch as a wave of nostalgia, alongside a catchy
Speaker 3: melody in some hysterical lyrics take over their entire being.
Speaker 3: And as much as anyone on the daily cast and
Speaker 3: crew of Boy Meets World would love to take credit
Speaker 3: for the long lasting effect of this episode and character, CORNA.
Speaker 3: Collins has had on a generation, we all know it's
Speaker 3: mostly because of a guest star who stole every single
Speaker 3: scene she was in. While it was somehow her first
Speaker 3: TV gig ever, before the appearance, she was one half
Speaker 3: of the Boy Meets World cast favorite pop duo The Murmurs,
Speaker 3: who released several albums and was part of the legendary
Speaker 3: nineties tour Lilith Fair. Our very own Alanis Morissett walked
Speaker 3: onto the set and, with what we can only assume
Speaker 3: is a sorcery reserved for guitar playing wizards, seemed to
Speaker 3: be a seasoned and confident pro who with our Powell
Speaker 3: will here made undeniable TV magic, and for good reason,
Speaker 3: she's been one of the most requested guests for Pod
Speaker 3: Meets World, not only from our listeners, but from US
Speaker 3: hosts as well. She'd leave us in Chubbies and appear
Speaker 3: on shows like Grey's Anatomy, Supernatural, Bosh, and Silicon Valley,
Speaker 3: but it was her time as Alice on the ground
Speaker 3: brink making show The L Word where she'd become an
Speaker 3: LGBTQ icon, all for a role she'd later revisit on
Speaker 3: the reboot L Word Generation Q And So now get
Speaker 3: out your twenty dollars bills to donate and then rescind.
Speaker 3: We are honored to welcome to Podmeates World a guest
Speaker 3: star Hall of Famer, maybe the guest Star Hall of
Speaker 3: Famer Leisha Haley.
Speaker 4: Hi, Hi, I have one quick question right off the bat.
Speaker 2: Yes, is there a painting of yourself somewhere in your
Speaker 2: attic that's aging?
Speaker 4: Because you're not.
Speaker 1: Did you wrote yourself when you fell from heaven?
Speaker 4: An angel pickup line?
Speaker 1: She hasn't aged.
Speaker 6: I was a lot older than all of you when
Speaker 6: I was on this show, so you know, I think
Speaker 6: I've always been old, So I think that the perspective.
Speaker 4: Is you're that much older than you.
Speaker 3: No, there's no way that much older older than will No,
Speaker 3: what's your birth year?
Speaker 6: Seventy one?
Speaker 4: I'm okay, seventy six. I'm forty seven.
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, okay, too much, not too much. Look at
Speaker 6: you guys just playing teenagers.
Speaker 1: Look at us.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 6: I watched I watched the show last night because I
Speaker 6: was really looking forward to because I haven't seen it
Speaker 6: in the million years, and like thirty, right to be
Speaker 6: exact about thirty, yeah, thirty. And one of my lines
Speaker 6: I said I was eighteen, and I said, laughing, like wow.
Speaker 3: I mean, the truth is, though you could still play
Speaker 3: a teenager. I love hitting you really could glasses, perfect vision.
Speaker 6: Hi.
Speaker 3: We are so happy to see you. Thank you so
Speaker 3: much for doing this. You one of our most requested guests,
Speaker 3: not just from fans, you are one of the most
Speaker 3: requested from.
Speaker 4: Us as hosts. Really.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Oh, I'm so glad this's happened.
Speaker 3: We've been looking forward to it from the time we
Speaker 3: started the show, and we've talked about it a couple
Speaker 3: of times. How Boy Meets World had some really great
Speaker 3: guest stars over the seven years the show was on,
Speaker 3: but there are a handful of just perfect drive by
Speaker 3: guest star appearances, and you, I think are the number
Speaker 3: one spot.
Speaker 4: I don't disagree with that. Yeah, I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 4: We were trying to think of.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a couple up there that were really great,
Speaker 2: but this is the one where, you know, convention stuff
Speaker 2: like that, people talk about Shallo Boy and the songs
Speaker 2: and all the kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: Oh all the time.
Speaker 6: I mean, one of these conventions with you guys, because
Speaker 6: I have to say, through the years, I've had a
Speaker 6: really strange, exciting like I mean, I hate the word
Speaker 6: blessed but like Blessed Life and I this show, I
Speaker 6: had no idea what I was walking into when I
Speaker 6: did it, and for the last thirty years, if somebody
Speaker 6: stops me, I assume it's one thing, and then it's like, well,
Speaker 6: I mean its worlds and it's just always makes me
Speaker 6: laugh because it was one episode and I'm like, what, Oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: you guys really have the greatest fans on the planet.
Speaker 3: I think we couldn't agree with you more. We have
Speaker 3: talked about that as well. We do we can confirm,
Speaker 3: and now we need you to confirm something. Oh okay
Speaker 3: before we even go forward. Was this really your first
Speaker 3: job on TV?
Speaker 1: Ever?
Speaker 6: It was my Yes, it was. And I had to
Speaker 6: call my bandmate because I asked. I asked your producers
Speaker 6: what year we did this, because I couldn't remember the
Speaker 6: process of getting the job, and I realized you said
Speaker 6: it was like August or September of nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 6: and I had just moved to La like I must
Speaker 6: have been there maybe three months. So everything in my
Speaker 6: memory is the whole city was foreign to me. So
Speaker 6: just like where what office was I in? Who called?
Speaker 4: Who?
Speaker 6: Like how did I you know, how did the whole
Speaker 6: thing happen, and I think I've figured it out. I had,
Speaker 6: but to answer your question, that was a long way
Speaker 6: of answering. I did an indie movie the year before
Speaker 6: called All Over Me, and I had I was in
Speaker 6: a band, the Murmurs, Yes, the Murmurs, and I had
Speaker 6: bright pink hair, like hot pink hair for years, and
Speaker 6: I had it in this movie. And iber one of
Speaker 6: my memories is it might have been your showrunner. I
Speaker 6: don't know who it was. I met. It was a
Speaker 6: really nice man and I think he called after seeing
Speaker 6: me in that movie and had me come in to
Speaker 6: read for it, because I remember him saying like, oh,
Speaker 6: I thought you had pink hair, and I just I
Speaker 6: had just gotten rid of it when I moved to La.
Speaker 2: Well, there was one of our producers I saw two
Speaker 2: days ago. We just had dinner, and he remembers because
Speaker 2: I told him you were coming on and he's like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, that's so great. He remembers taking one
Speaker 2: or two other producers and going and seeing you guys
Speaker 2: perform live.
Speaker 6: You just solved it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he says he went to actually went to a show,
Speaker 2: he said, because one of the things he remembers, and
Speaker 2: we can cut this out if we want.
Speaker 4: Is your bandmate fell off the stage?
Speaker 2: She Oh, my gosh, yeah, he said, it's like and
Speaker 2: then she just fell off right off the stage.
Speaker 1: So do you know now exactly what show that is?
Speaker 6: Or my god? No, I feel like at the time
Speaker 6: like that might have been happy, you know, Okay, this, wow,
Speaker 6: this is hilarious. No, we were. Yeah, we had a
Speaker 6: lot of fun on wait first to better her than Me.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was Jeff Sherman and Mark Blutman, the two of them,
Speaker 2: and they think one other guy went. It might have
Speaker 2: been Howard bust Gang, but they went actually went to
Speaker 2: your show and saw the Murmurs perform and they he
Speaker 2: was like, we knew right the second that's her.
Speaker 6: That's her obviously, So that's amazing. That's amazing.
Speaker 3: Had you moved to LA partially to start auditioning? Were
Speaker 3: you looking to be an actor?
Speaker 6: Well, I studied when I'm from Nebraska, and I moved
Speaker 6: to New York to go to acting school. So that
Speaker 6: was my big plan. I'd done it my whole life,
Speaker 6: and I studied and I just thought that that was
Speaker 6: going to be my career. And then my best friend
Speaker 6: and I started a band in school. And when we graduated,
Speaker 6: we were so broke and we're like, we ought to start.
Speaker 6: Nobody was auditioning, nobody knew how to get an agent.
Speaker 6: So we just started playing the subways and like every
Speaker 6: street corner we could, Like I always had my guitar
Speaker 6: on my back. We were a little acoustic duo and
Speaker 6: we started playing all around the East Village and all
Speaker 6: of it sudden, like two years in we got signed.
Speaker 6: So I it was MCAA Records, and so all of
Speaker 6: a sudden, I had this career, this music career I
Speaker 6: had never planned on, and I kind of put acting
Speaker 6: to the side. So that's why when this show came up,
Speaker 6: like you guys were sort of my foray into like
Speaker 6: getting back into it or starting at least.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh my gosh, it is just so so had
Speaker 3: you when you came to our show.
Speaker 1: Had you ever heard of Boy Meets World?
Speaker 6: I had not heard of Boy. I think I just
Speaker 6: was out of the age range, you know, because I
Speaker 6: when I was watching it last night, I was I
Speaker 6: literally was laughing. I was like, this is a really
Speaker 6: well written show. It was funny.
Speaker 1: It's a funny show.
Speaker 6: Well you were.
Speaker 4: Funny, Oh thank you? I mean, well, you and I.
Speaker 2: So we'll get into how you and I I thought
Speaker 2: worked really well together. And I just remember getting along
Speaker 2: that week because we were working on our scenes and
Speaker 2: you were talking to me about music. But before we
Speaker 2: get there, we have talked so many times about the
Speaker 2: table read because the table read for that episode, we'd
Speaker 2: never met you. We didn't know who was coming in,
Speaker 2: and you brought your guitar and you sung every song
Speaker 2: acoustic at the table read, and you were so cool
Speaker 2: and so collected and calm and singing. So I'm curious
Speaker 2: were you nervous at all? Because it did not come
Speaker 2: off like you were nervous even the tiniest little bit.
Speaker 4: It was weird.
Speaker 6: I mean, here's the thing. And maybe you guys identify
Speaker 6: with this. When I was younger, I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 6: have I wasn't nervous about a lot of things. I
Speaker 6: was like very a risk taker, and I just threw
Speaker 6: myself into situations all the time. And I think that
Speaker 6: you know, to like to my benefit, like I didn't.
Speaker 6: I don't know. It just worked. And so I think now,
Speaker 6: like if you were to ask me to do that today,
Speaker 6: I would die inside. I would find a million excuses I, Oh,
Speaker 6: I haven't I need to practice or I need to
Speaker 6: I don't know, Like I just had this thing back then.
Speaker 6: So that makes a lot of sense to me that
Speaker 6: I was if I if I didn't seem nervous, maybe
Speaker 6: I wasn't.
Speaker 3: Well, not only did you not seem nervous, but like
Speaker 3: writer who's not here today because he got called in
Speaker 3: for jury duty, writer remembered when we recapped your episode.
Speaker 3: He remembered that the only thing that was in the
Speaker 3: script were the words. It was just lyrics, and you
Speaker 3: came to the table with your guitar and had basically
Speaker 3: written all the songs, and his memory was at the
Speaker 3: table read going, we already could shoot this show because
Speaker 3: of her.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so do you remember the process?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 6: I remember getting uh yeah, the lyrics and sitting around
Speaker 6: my house just because because you know, she had to
Speaker 6: be very happy and like lighthearted, and yeah, I remember like, oh,
Speaker 6: this is like just very acoustic, like I know how
Speaker 6: to do. That was the edge of your one, the
Speaker 6: one where I like because I laugh because I growled
Speaker 6: because I don't sound edgy obviously my voice is very high.
Speaker 6: But I thought that was the funny choice because we
Speaker 6: probably I remember meeting a meeting up with a producer
Speaker 6: and we recorded the songs that ended up being on
Speaker 6: the radio. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: That's probably Jeff.
Speaker 2: So Jeff Sherman wrote the episode and wrote the lyrics
Speaker 2: because when I that's who I had dinner with the
Speaker 2: other night, and he was like, please tell her that
Speaker 2: essentially we wrote songs together, because yes, she wrote the
Speaker 2: music and I wrote the lyrics.
Speaker 1: Yes, and uncle and dad are the Sherman brothers, the.
Speaker 2: Sherman brothers who wrote all the Disney music, wrote Mary
Speaker 2: Poppins and all you know for what's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Jeff Sherman's he comes from a very musical family,
Speaker 3: like the famous Sherman brothers. No, it's just cool because
Speaker 3: it makes sense that that was a Sherman episode and
Speaker 3: that you being the talented musician and actor that you were,
Speaker 3: that it was just it's literally a perfect storm.
Speaker 4: Yeah were it really was.
Speaker 1: Look at that.
Speaker 6: I see, That's why I love life so awesome. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 6: so I went to his house and we recorded it.
Speaker 6: Okay maybe, oh, I don't know for a studio.
Speaker 4: It was probably a studio. My guess is you probably
Speaker 4: went to probably Ray cole Chords.
Speaker 1: It might have been with Jeff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be so rad.
Speaker 2: Did all our music from He's passed since, but he
Speaker 2: was a great guy who did all our music from
Speaker 2: from Boy and everything from the theme songs to the
Speaker 2: tiniest little jingle that you would hear, he was responsible
Speaker 2: for in some way or another. So my guess is
Speaker 2: music wise, yeah, you you and Jeff met up somewhere
Speaker 2: and combined your talents because it was oh man, we
Speaker 2: just but I'll never that's that table read. I think
Speaker 2: there's two table reads in the entire series that stand
Speaker 2: out for me, and it's that one and the one
Speaker 2: the Fugitive when we had the earthquake right right, and
Speaker 2: it was the day after the earthquake, and we had
Speaker 2: the massive earthquake, and so that a.
Speaker 4: Natural disease, remember from the show, and only one of.
Speaker 1: You killed people, So that's a lot.
Speaker 6: I don't want that on my record.
Speaker 1: No, No, I know, we've talked you.
Speaker 3: We just mentioned that you don't have like too many
Speaker 3: memories of exactly how it all came together. But do
Speaker 3: you remember in any sense was there like a traditional audition.
Speaker 3: Did you go to a building and like read lines
Speaker 3: for someone?
Speaker 6: This is where so I was in a building, Okay,
Speaker 6: I can't confirm, yes, and I was. I was in
Speaker 6: an office with I believe Jeff who you were just mentioning,
Speaker 6: because I remember, there's no way they didn't have me
Speaker 6: read for it, even if they saw me play a mess,
Speaker 6: so I must have read for it. And then we
Speaker 6: started talking about music, because that's the part of the
Speaker 6: conversation I remember. So maybe it just had to, like,
Speaker 6: you know, confirm that I could read lines or something,
Speaker 6: or that I could pull off I don't know, because
Speaker 6: maybe he knew I could do the music part.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, Well Michael Jacobs, our producer and show runner,
Speaker 2: was also very big into music, so he was probably
Speaker 2: involved in all that as well.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I wonder if she auditioned first and then Jeff
Speaker 3: and Howard and Mark went to the.
Speaker 4: Show the show. I wonder if that's how it happened.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the part I can't figure out. But I
Speaker 6: know that they wouldn't have just there's no way I've
Speaker 6: just been offered a part, you know, So somehow I
Speaker 6: had to prove myself somewhere. Yeah, isn't that funny? Thirty
Speaker 6: years just you guys have a really sharp memory. Oh no, no, no, Janel,
Speaker 6: thank you.
Speaker 1: Will does have a very good memory.
Speaker 3: I once ran into shack somewhere and was like, Hi,
Speaker 3: it's really nice to meet you, and he was like, Danielle,
Speaker 3: I once held you over my head at Universal Studios
Speaker 3: in Florida, and I was like.
Speaker 1: Oh, well that could be the case.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I always remind me.
Speaker 6: Think you'd remember right exactly exactly you.
Speaker 2: Remind Danielle she was on Boy Met World. It's like
Speaker 2: you placed the panga.
Speaker 4: You were very good.
Speaker 6: I felt better about myself. Yeah, thank you, you're here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do not do not worry.
Speaker 3: So then you are basically we do a table read
Speaker 3: and you're just thrown right into the mix for the week.
Speaker 1: What do you remember from rehearsals and then eventually our
Speaker 1: tape night?
Speaker 6: Well, Will, I have to say you were like the
Speaker 6: kindest person to me. You really I have to like
Speaker 6: give you like full credit for being a really nice
Speaker 6: guy and so welcoming and supportive, because I I'm sure
Speaker 6: at that point I remember being like, oh, okay, this
Speaker 6: is like a TV show. I get it, Like I've
Speaker 6: never done this. Yeah, you were so great and we
Speaker 6: did really work on everything and try to find that
Speaker 6: like sweet little dynamic.
Speaker 3: We had we really agree between you.
Speaker 1: Is just impeccable. It's so great.
Speaker 4: I thought so too. No, we did.
Speaker 2: We I remember distinctly well. You always had your guitar.
Speaker 2: And I'm one of those people where I'm such a
Speaker 2: fan of music and I have no musical talent whatsoever,
Speaker 2: just none, So I'm always I gravitate towards people that do.
Speaker 2: And you were just kind of sit there and you'd
Speaker 2: strum your guitar, you'd sing a song or and that
Speaker 2: week Danielle went out and got me the Murmurs album,
Speaker 2: which I still listen to quite a bit.
Speaker 4: It is. It's a great album, the Pink album with
Speaker 4: I'm a Mess.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So I You and I
Speaker 2: we would talk music and then we talk about the
Speaker 2: scenes and go through it. I just remember we got
Speaker 2: along very well, and that I think showed when we
Speaker 2: did the show.
Speaker 4: You know, frankly, it's so important.
Speaker 6: I always think that you can see through that stuff too,
Speaker 6: Like I think we really did have something natural.
Speaker 4: I think so too.
Speaker 2: It was the thing that amazed all of us was
Speaker 2: the you know, the music stuff was incredible, but you
Speaker 2: were a musician. It was the comedy stuff that I
Speaker 2: think what we were all. I mean, I was not
Speaker 2: gonna say shocked because you an actor, but also happy
Speaker 2: with because it was like you were nailing all the
Speaker 2: jokes and it was just like, oh, okay, this is.
Speaker 1: And now that I had trained, it makes sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it had been a minute. But like like I
Speaker 6: how to listen, talk and listen, but I you your comedy,
Speaker 6: Like when you yelled check the third time, like last night,
Speaker 6: I was like like it was so you're so funny
Speaker 6: it like actually makes me want to go watch the show, Like, yeah,
Speaker 6: these people are really talented.
Speaker 1: He's worth watching. That's for sure.
Speaker 4: You are too, Danielle.
Speaker 1: I'm barely on the show. What do you tut? Really?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know it's it is very shocking, but we
Speaker 3: are now. Season four is the is the first year
Speaker 3: I'm in every episode and even then most of the
Speaker 3: time I'm kind of, uh, just in the periphery type character.
Speaker 3: But those first three seasons, in my mind, it was like, you.
Speaker 2: Know, it is it's a Mandela effect thing with because
Speaker 2: everybody thinks Corey and Tapango when they Inkopoyments World and
Speaker 2: we're watching and we're like, where the hell.
Speaker 1: Are you am I hosting this podcast?
Speaker 2: So yeah, and then but I think by season five
Speaker 2: it's all Corey Tanga and then there's two seasons of
Speaker 2: just the two of you essentially.
Speaker 4: Right, So but yeah, I can't wait. We're getting there.
Speaker 4: We're getting there. That's why we have to keep reminding
Speaker 4: her you're on the show.
Speaker 6: But imagine like like that says a lot, like if
Speaker 6: you weren't on it a lot, but the impact you
Speaker 6: had and everyone assumes you were, Like that's very telling.
Speaker 6: Is when you're on screen, you.
Speaker 1: Couldn't keep yes exactly. Thank you rivoting. I'm rivoting on yes.
Speaker 3: So when your episode then aired, did you watch it live?
Speaker 1: Did you tell people about it? What did your friends think?
Speaker 6: What are you kidding?
Speaker 1: Of course.
Speaker 6: You guys, I'm on TV.
Speaker 1: We're watching.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like nobody was doing that back then. We were.
Speaker 6: It was shocking to all of us. Yeah, we had,
Speaker 6: we had I had some friends of her and we
Speaker 6: all watched it and it was great. I mean it
Speaker 6: was it's so weird to see yourself for the first time.
Speaker 6: Also watching last night, like I was a baby. Yes,
Speaker 6: I know, so, but I was twenty I was twenty
Speaker 6: I think twenty five yeah, it's crazy gosh, but still
Speaker 6: just a babyface.
Speaker 3: Does it feel to you like somebody else? Because sometimes
Speaker 3: that's how I feel. I'll watch it and I'll think, yes,
Speaker 3: I know that girl. She feels like someone I knew once.
Speaker 3: But it does feel like someone.
Speaker 6: I knew once, is a great way to put it. Yes,
Speaker 6: I seemed very I mean I know I was leaning
Speaker 6: into that, very wide eyed and you know, innocent. But
Speaker 6: I think I might have been like that in general.
Speaker 1: Right, But it wasn't too far from home.
Speaker 6: It really were Yeah, it never really is, is it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But it's so funny because again I go back
Speaker 2: to the album that I listened to all the time.
Speaker 4: Those songs don't represent being wide eyed and innocent.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, the funny thing about our album we
Speaker 6: were actually wor like we had a hit song called
Speaker 6: you Suck, and that was what everybody thought, like we
Speaker 6: were this edgy Maybe that's kind of what they saw
Speaker 6: with the character. Everyone thought we were this edgy band.
Speaker 6: But then when you listen to the rest of the record,
Speaker 6: it's like no, no, no, no, Like I'll never forget going
Speaker 6: on tour and you would go from city to city
Speaker 6: and everyone was you know, there to hear the big
Speaker 6: hit song and then you'd play the rest if you
Speaker 6: could just feel the room shift, like, oh well.
Speaker 1: I thought we were gonna get more you sucks.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, we're thos edgy girls.
Speaker 3: There's a part in the episode where Eric's sister Morgan
Speaker 3: is singing along to one of Korinna's new songs, and
Speaker 3: she mentions as she's singing along that there's a lyric
Speaker 3: in it that you know, Eric might like boys, if
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, And it's a
Speaker 3: trope we've run into a few times during our rewatch.
Speaker 3: There was obviously a lot of gay panic in symcoms
Speaker 3: in the nineties. Yea, And actually, to Boy Meets World's credit,
Speaker 3: it was actually much better and most things really hold up,
Speaker 3: so to its credit, but it still pops up. Do
Speaker 3: you remember this line or do you remember this type
Speaker 3: of fear on TV?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 6: And like that, you know, we have this with the
Speaker 6: show I was on too, Like it's that we were
Speaker 6: in the times we were in. You can't like Monday
Speaker 6: morning quarterbacking is just it's you can't do it because
Speaker 6: that's just the way the world was, you know, And
Speaker 6: so you know, I think you guys probably feel this too.
Speaker 6: You have this responsibility to like the lines you said,
Speaker 6: or you know, the way your character responded to something
Speaker 6: or but you know, the writers were also of the times,
Speaker 6: and the show was of the times, and we can
Speaker 6: all look back and judge it, but like, right, you know, yeah,
Speaker 6: I don't. Yeah, it never. It didn't bump for me then,
Speaker 6: and last night I was like, oh, they have one.
Speaker 6: They have them too, like we all we all have them.
Speaker 4: We do, we do, we all.
Speaker 2: But that was I mean, especially in the nineties, that
Speaker 2: was when you were insulting your friend or getting insulted.
Speaker 4: That's what it was.
Speaker 2: It was, yeah something calling them gay was like, oh,
Speaker 2: you gotta be kidding me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: I'm very happy actually with the way Boy Meets World
Speaker 2: handled it ninety nine percent of the time.
Speaker 4: Like the bromance between Sean and Corey.
Speaker 2: They never they don't ever make fun of like you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, they're not they're not playing on
Speaker 2: that trope.
Speaker 3: They lean so heavy into that it's a real love
Speaker 3: and it's between these two friends and and it's never
Speaker 3: I mean, I one of my favorite lines is when
Speaker 3: Tipanga asks Corey and Sean like, why don't you too,
Speaker 3: just why don't you too just get married? And they
Speaker 3: look at each other and Corey says, because our kids
Speaker 3: would look like a horse.
Speaker 1: It's like it has nothing.
Speaker 3: To It's like you contemplated it. He decides, did their
Speaker 3: kids wouldn't be cute? And yeah, it's just that's it.
Speaker 6: That's the reason to handle.
Speaker 3: Uh so, yeah, we boys world does it better than most.
Speaker 3: Have you ever been asked to play Shallow Boy live?
Speaker 6: I have not. No, I have not. If if I
Speaker 6: see here, I go, I would have prepped. If you
Speaker 6: guys were after we weren't.
Speaker 1: We weren't were.
Speaker 3: I would never put you on the spot like that's
Speaker 3: a please bring your wondering when you do, because you're
Speaker 3: still performing. You haven't your I don't know. Actually I
Speaker 3: was gonna say a new band, but I don't know
Speaker 3: how new your band is.
Speaker 6: Uh huh, well actually that's over to I'm done with
Speaker 6: the music. But yeah that are you totally done with music?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I just you know, yeah, I play it, you know
Speaker 6: for fun at this Okay, I can't ever go. Let
Speaker 6: me try to have a music career again. Feels a little.
Speaker 1: Well, now, it's a perfect opportunity to prep in hair.
Speaker 3: Shallow Boy, I'm we're doing for a live show, so
Speaker 3: just start doing the fun stuff.
Speaker 6: You know exactly, that's the whole cool fun stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Maybe if I come to one of these conventions with
Speaker 6: you guys.
Speaker 1: Yes, please come to a whole live show.
Speaker 6: I know. There we go.
Speaker 1: Well, you come to one of our podmets World l.
Speaker 6: She goes live, she goes just back.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. Oh we might have to We might
Speaker 4: hold you to that.
Speaker 2: We might hold you to that because our live shows
Speaker 2: will get a theater that's you know, one thousand people,
Speaker 2: twelve hundred people, and we bring people out and we just.
Speaker 4: Have so much fun. Such a live shallow Boy refer Yeah.
Speaker 6: Call me up, Call me up.
Speaker 3: So soon after you were on our show, you were
Speaker 3: in the scene of Ellen's sitcom when she came out
Speaker 3: on Network TV.
Speaker 6: Well this is this, Yeah, this is like a funny thing.
Speaker 6: So I my girlfriend at the time, was on that
Speaker 6: in that episode, okay, and I just came along to
Speaker 6: watch the taping and they just threw me in the
Speaker 6: coffee shop while she was.
Speaker 1: And you were like, yes, I'll be a background actor.
Speaker 6: And I didn't even know it. Was going to be
Speaker 6: as big of a deal as it that's the actual episode.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I'm like, somehow in that episode as an
Speaker 6: extra it is.
Speaker 3: So funny and I can imagine that of course, Actually
Speaker 3: I'm not sure I can understand. I mean, that was
Speaker 3: an episode that like stops Earth's orbit of the Sun
Speaker 3: at the time. Yes, and yet you're saying at the
Speaker 3: time you didn't really think about that. You just felt like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is a my girlfriend's here and is doing a
Speaker 3: guest appearance, and this will be an episode that Arizon TV.
Speaker 6: Did you Yeah, I know, I know it was a
Speaker 6: big deal that Ellen was coming out. I was very
Speaker 6: conscious of that. I think I didn't know that the
Speaker 6: effect it was going to have in the world, like
Speaker 6: and also her career, and you know, just the response. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and it just goes down in history that episode.
Speaker 4: My god, Yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 2: A it is a pretty magical moment in all of
Speaker 2: television history. Yes, and the girlfriend you had at the time,
Speaker 2: if it's the one I think it is, almost killed me.
Speaker 4: What do you mean, well, she almost ran me over
Speaker 4: with her car.
Speaker 6: Okay, please tell this story.
Speaker 4: So can we say who I think?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Katie Lang.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, so she almost killed me with her car.
Speaker 6: Okay, I can't I'm horrified right now.
Speaker 1: Okay, so it's not your fault.
Speaker 2: There was a restaurant in Burbank at the time, which
Speaker 2: I still think is there called Micelli's or Michelli's where
Speaker 2: all the waiters sing and.
Speaker 4: They sing right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I was leaving there at the time with
Speaker 2: I think my girlfriend at the time.
Speaker 6: Is this when it's like nothing to do At the time,
Speaker 6: we were working together. It's like a.
Speaker 4: Totally separate thing after.
Speaker 6: Okay, good maybe anyway.
Speaker 4: Totally separate thing after So I'm with.
Speaker 1: What love, Hewitt?
Speaker 4: I think? So, okay, I don't know. It might have
Speaker 4: been I was with love.
Speaker 2: I don't remember, but I'm crossing the street and I
Speaker 2: probably was crossing against the light and a car screeches
Speaker 2: to a stop.
Speaker 5: Oh god, a foot from me, and I look up
Speaker 5: and it's Katie Lang and she gives me this look
Speaker 5: where at first she's like I can't believe, and then
Speaker 5: her face kind of brightens and she waves.
Speaker 4: And I left and she drove by.
Speaker 2: So either she recognized me from the show we did together,
Speaker 2: or was just happy she didn't throw me over.
Speaker 1: What did you think this was?
Speaker 4: Well, it's only like ninety seven.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we were was I wasn't in the passenger seat,
Speaker 6: was I know she.
Speaker 1: Was driving by herself, but it was we followed you.
Speaker 2: It was a moment where I then walk ay and
Speaker 2: I was like, Katie Lang almost killed me.
Speaker 4: That I almost just died and it would have been
Speaker 4: on the news for a number of reasons. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So what a weird way to go, right, Yeah, she.
Speaker 4: She almost ran me over.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever told that story before, but
Speaker 2: Katie Lang almost ran me over.
Speaker 4: That is so funny.
Speaker 6: Glad you're here to tell about it.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you too about Lilith Fair, which
Speaker 3: is such an iconic tour of the nineties.
Speaker 1: What was your experience like traveling with that lineup?
Speaker 6: Oh my god, it was incredible. So we we tried
Speaker 6: to get on that tour for I think three years,
Speaker 6: and the year we got was the year our label
Speaker 6: dropped us, so we they wouldn't pay to have us
Speaker 6: do it, so we only could afford to go on
Speaker 6: it for like I think it was like eight days.
Speaker 6: We did the West some of the West Coast and
Speaker 6: yourself to go and we rent We had to tell
Speaker 6: all the guys in the band for like we can't
Speaker 6: afford you, you got to stay back. We went fully acoustic again,
Speaker 6: rented a car and took our manager, this sweet woman Kimberly.
Speaker 6: Were like, you have to do the most of the
Speaker 6: driving and the like, you know, and we'll do the
Speaker 6: right Like it was. It was like a team effort.
Speaker 6: We stayed in like really bad motels the whole way
Speaker 6: up and down, and you know, the hour the drives
Speaker 6: were along, like everyone else was in a bus like.
Speaker 1: You guys are getting.
Speaker 6: Happy to be like a part of Lilith Fair. It
Speaker 6: was like a dream. So we did whatever it took
Speaker 6: and got to hang out with all the like all
Speaker 6: the greats backstage.
Speaker 4: Who was on tour with you at the time there?
Speaker 6: Okay, it was like Bonnie Ray the Dixie Chicks were there.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, this was there was no okay, not
Speaker 6: that one. I think this was the last Lilith Fair.
Speaker 6: I think it was the last year they did it. Yeah,
Speaker 6: Chrissy Hind, I mean please just we would just sit
Speaker 6: there with our jaws dropped, like are we really here?
Speaker 1: This is crazy?
Speaker 6: Let's just Jackson, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Then in two thousand and four, you were cast on
Speaker 3: the groundbreaking TV show The l Word and you played
Speaker 3: Alice Pizki.
Speaker 1: Am I say Piazeki?
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you Alice Piazeki, a bisexual journalist and a
Speaker 3: rad show host. Yes, at the time, did you know
Speaker 3: how important this show was going to be?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 6: No, again, it was another like everything gay back then
Speaker 6: was very underground, like yeah, it kind of came and
Speaker 6: went and if you know, you had to go find it,
Speaker 6: like seek it out. And so I again another audition.
Speaker 6: Stories I got this through my music. Like I I
Speaker 6: didn't have I didn't have an agent. I still didn't
Speaker 6: pursue acting. I was very music driven and I heard
Speaker 6: about this audition. So I had my music manager call
Speaker 6: to get me an audition because I was like, oh,
Speaker 6: this sounds kind of cool, like maybe this is something
Speaker 6: I could do. And I went out for the role
Speaker 6: of Shane and I ended up getting a callback, and
Speaker 6: then I got another callback and I was like, oh,
Speaker 6: this is so weird. And then I tested against my
Speaker 6: now best friend Kate, who played Shane. It was her
Speaker 6: and I in the audition room and we both tested
Speaker 6: for the network, and when I was sitting there, I
Speaker 6: obviously knew. I was like, oh this is I'm never
Speaker 6: going to get this.
Speaker 1: But I never getting this, yeah, because there she is.
Speaker 6: That's Shane. And then I went home and they had
Speaker 6: my home phone number, like so they were calling like
Speaker 6: the house for any like callbacks or whatever. And so
Speaker 6: a week went by. I didn't get it in the
Speaker 6: phone ring and they were like, hey, you obviously didn't
Speaker 6: get that part. They want to bring you back in.
Speaker 6: They liked something about you. They want to read you
Speaker 6: for this other part. And then it's a totally different character.
Speaker 6: And they sent me that they foxed me the sides.
Speaker 6: Oh I remember this. Yeah, And I went through the
Speaker 6: same process I started from the beginning and I ended
Speaker 6: up testing and I got the show and I was like,
Speaker 6: oh this is I mean, I was obviously like thrilled.
Speaker 6: I actually funny stories. I turned it down twice when
Speaker 6: they called to tell me I got the heart because
Speaker 6: I really I know, this is like how oblivious I was,
Speaker 6: like Hollywood like all these kind of things.
Speaker 1: They were like, you got it.
Speaker 6: I was like I was at the house with my
Speaker 6: friend Heather, who is my bandmate, and I realized like, oh,
Speaker 6: I have to leave to go shoot this pilot and
Speaker 6: it was up in Vancouver, and I was like, I
Speaker 6: can't leave. I can't leave the band. I can't leave
Speaker 6: the I can't this because we had been you know,
Speaker 6: we were like twelve years deep at this point. We
Speaker 6: were like, you know, do or die together, just like everything,
Speaker 6: and so I was like, thank you so much. It's
Speaker 6: been a great opportunity. I just like, I don't think
Speaker 6: I can and they were like, really like it, so
Speaker 6: you just put us through. But I think when I
Speaker 6: got it, I didn't realize or I didn't realize until
Speaker 6: I got it what it was going to take, like
Speaker 6: the reality of the situations.
Speaker 1: Like sorry, I should have asked where it shoots.
Speaker 6: Yeah, to all of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know this is like it's.
Speaker 3: Such an.
Speaker 4: Iditioned fourteen times. I don't want this role.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I ever should have gone in.
Speaker 6: Yeah. So they called back again, and on the third
Speaker 6: the third time that one of the producers called and
Speaker 6: she was like I heard, you're like turning this down.
Speaker 6: And anyway, my bandmate and I we had like a
Speaker 6: you know, a big conversation, a good cry, and it
Speaker 6: was like, don't worry I'm not leaving like I'm gonna.
Speaker 6: I'll be here like I'll be back, it'll be quick.
Speaker 6: And then we went up and shot the pilots. I
Speaker 6: still thought it was something that like nobody was ever
Speaker 6: going to see. And then obviously the whole, my whole
Speaker 6: entire life changed overnight.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, unbelievable. What a story.
Speaker 4: Isn't that the way it is too though.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, one less phone call and your
Speaker 2: whole life is different, different, turned it down twice and
Speaker 2: that's it.
Speaker 4: So oh man, you never I know this business.
Speaker 3: I just love that, like you studied acting and then
Speaker 3: had just kind of fell into doing music because you
Speaker 3: guys started a band and then we're like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm not even trying for this acting thing. I'm really
Speaker 3: gung ho and narrow focused on music and all these
Speaker 3: everything kept coming to you acting wise.
Speaker 6: Yes, that's what's always blown my mind. I mean not
Speaker 6: that I've worked multiple times, but when I have, it's
Speaker 6: usually come through music. Yeah, And I there's something to that,
Speaker 6: And I think it's it's because like now if I
Speaker 6: audition for something now that like I'm fully committed to doing.
Speaker 1: This right now that you've given up music.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Now now it's harder because like now the stakes are higher.
Speaker 6: I don't you know, it's like I really want it.
Speaker 6: I probably look a little more like I don't want
Speaker 6: to say desperate, so like you can tell I want it,
Speaker 6: like before.
Speaker 1: It please it was like did you all go anywhere?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: When you like that guy in high school and he
Speaker 6: doesn't like you, you it's like you. It's there's something
Speaker 6: to like. When you don't want it, they want you
Speaker 6: when you want it, I want.
Speaker 4: You human nature. Unfortunately, I think that's absolutely right.
Speaker 2: But I'm hoping that they're still faxing you sides because
Speaker 2: that would be the bed.
Speaker 4: It's like, sorry, I gotta I gotta take this.
Speaker 1: You need to hang up the phone. So could you
Speaker 1: could you give me a few minutes because I am
Speaker 1: going to this disconnect. I gotta take the cord, put
Speaker 1: the I'm so slow.
Speaker 6: It's like.
Speaker 1: Just the worst, the absolute worst.
Speaker 2: I have a question, do you so did you prefer
Speaker 2: at the time doing four camera like Boy Meets World
Speaker 2: the sitcom we did, or single camera like the Old Word?
Speaker 4: Which one? Which? Which version of TV did you like better?
Speaker 6: You know, I've dreamt about doing what you all did
Speaker 6: more today. You know what I loved about it the audience. Yes,
Speaker 6: I mean that really changes everything. You get that immediate response, yep,
Speaker 6: and you could feel the night we taped like that,
Speaker 6: just there's an energy like none of that's happening on set. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's like we're like fourteen hours in and the room's like.
Speaker 1: Everyone's tired, and you're like, where are we in the script?
Speaker 1: What did I do right before this?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's I mean, I really think that's what you had,
Speaker 6: is the dream job?
Speaker 4: I think so too.
Speaker 2: Well, it's because it was there's also this the joy
Speaker 2: of your rehearsing all week and you're leading up to
Speaker 2: show night.
Speaker 4: You know, there's then that the audience comes in. You feel,
Speaker 4: like you said, you feel the energy.
Speaker 2: And the thing that I always loved was some of
Speaker 2: the stuff that was getting all the laughs during the
Speaker 2: week isn't getting the same lasts from the audience, and
Speaker 2: they're laughing at stuff you weren't expecting. So even your
Speaker 2: thrown out, it's like it's the greatest thing kind of
Speaker 2: you're reading them while they're reading you, and you're trying
Speaker 2: to Yeah, the best way to dance. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: personally agree, but I sometimes the shooting. I mean, doing
Speaker 2: a show like the L Word, it's you're essentially shooting
Speaker 2: a film all it does.
Speaker 4: All the time. Yeah, you exhaust.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well you don't get as many takes as well.
Speaker 6: I mean you you know, like three setups is great.
Speaker 6: There's too many things to get three too many setups
Speaker 6: and I you know, like theater because when I was
Speaker 6: in school, like that's all we did. So it just
Speaker 6: your show reminded me so much of that. Yeah, I
Speaker 6: mean I don't even understand how you guys let that go?
Speaker 2: What a what a?
Speaker 6: I mean it was over what a?
Speaker 5: What a?
Speaker 6: Come down? Like, how did you get through that?
Speaker 1: It's been a rough twenty three years.
Speaker 2: No, you know, it's funny, you we joke about it,
Speaker 2: but it's it's it's easy to see how sitcom actors,
Speaker 2: especially young sitcom actors, fall into that unfortunate stereotype of
Speaker 2: drinking or drugs or going down the wrong path, because,
Speaker 2: as we've said many times, Thursday night, you're somebody and
Speaker 2: you're in front of an audience and first seven morning
Speaker 2: it's you're not so you you could kind of you
Speaker 2: wouldn't always see there are some shocks, but you could
Speaker 2: kind of tell the people that weren't going to be
Speaker 2: able to transition as easily, where it's you could see
Speaker 2: like ooh, this person might have a problem, and sometimes
Speaker 2: they did, and so you know, you could find that
Speaker 2: it's it's looking for that rush. That audience becomes a
Speaker 2: drug and it's literally gone in one day.
Speaker 6: So you uh, yeah, some people, you know, I never
Speaker 6: equated it to the rush of the audience. I always
Speaker 6: thought it must be an age, you know, just growing
Speaker 6: up and then who am I when you leave?
Speaker 2: Well, there's there's something interesting about knowing that chances are
Speaker 2: you've lived the first line of your obituary by the
Speaker 2: time you're seventeen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I you know you can do.
Speaker 4: You can go off and have a great life and
Speaker 4: a wonderful life, family, whatever you want to do.
Speaker 2: But chances are it's going to say, Wilfred Dell from
Speaker 2: Boy Mets World was killed today by a Lilian I have, yeah, or.
Speaker 4: Katie one and the same she's a lion on. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I mean that there's there's there can be a
Speaker 2: difficulty in that transition for some people, yea, which is
Speaker 2: why being a child actor usually is a whole separate
Speaker 2: thing than than starting to act when you're nineteen.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like your identity is cemented, yes, and you're like
Speaker 6: trying to either chase it or leave it behind. You're
Speaker 6: the first one of two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's so it's I mean, you know, just
Speaker 2: the same way you're talking about the desperation you feel.
Speaker 2: You know that there's an a lord of this business
Speaker 2: where the second you feel like you've left it behind,
Speaker 2: one thing comes and taps you on the shoulder and
Speaker 2: you're instantly sucked.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure.
Speaker 4: So it is it's just you think you get away
Speaker 4: and you can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I have that.
Speaker 6: I have that with my show as well. I mean
Speaker 6: we all do. Whoever is a part of it. But
Speaker 6: but the audience thing, that's very interesting because I do
Speaker 6: always from having one week, spending one week with you guys,
Speaker 6: I remember that feeling and how much fun it was. Yeah,
Speaker 6: And like I can't imagine seven years, week after week,
Speaker 6: like what that would would would do to me, how
Speaker 6: much I would miss it?
Speaker 4: Yes? Is that the goal? Then? I mean?
Speaker 2: Do you would you love to be like on a
Speaker 2: sitcom now, like a straight up comedy camera?
Speaker 6: Yeah, like I've said it for years like that, Yeah,
Speaker 6: that would be plus. I just like the the rhythm
Speaker 6: of it. I like the rhythm of sitcoms.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we do too.
Speaker 6: They're musical, you know, like they are a musical, like
Speaker 6: the way the you know.
Speaker 3: Well we we had on Boy Meets World. Some of
Speaker 3: our guest stars are some of like the coolest musicians ever.
Speaker 3: You Blake Senate from ryle o' Kylie was a regular,
Speaker 3: a recurring guest star on our show. And Alex Dasaer
Speaker 3: who's a hepcat yep like the musical influences on the show,
Speaker 3: and the people who stand out the most, sometimes with
Speaker 3: the smallest amount of things to do, like you only
Speaker 3: you were in one episode. Ye Blake did maybe twelve
Speaker 3: episodes but was definitely a side character, and Alex, who
Speaker 3: did a full season with us but was the most
Speaker 3: underused actor on the show.
Speaker 1: They are some of the most indelible.
Speaker 3: And we think it is because there's a musicality to
Speaker 3: sitcom that you speak music, you get the rhythm.
Speaker 1: That's so cool, isn't it cool?
Speaker 6: You thought that, and I thought that, and now we
Speaker 6: all think it's cool, and.
Speaker 1: Now we're all now and now we put it out
Speaker 1: into the world and everyone will.
Speaker 6: Believe it we gave away the secret. It's true.
Speaker 2: No, and it's true though we've talked about that the
Speaker 2: best sitcom actors are the ones that they're playing offbeat.
Speaker 2: So you think you're hearing the regular tempo and then
Speaker 2: the line comes from Matthew Perry, where you go, where
Speaker 2: the hell did you get that from? Like?
Speaker 4: Where is that? Read? From?
Speaker 2: Alan Alda was the same way. It's like, wow, you
Speaker 2: just took it a whole different way. So, yeah, there's
Speaker 2: that musicality, but it's the actors that play off beat
Speaker 2: that are the ones that always stick with me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, comedy is music.
Speaker 3: You have your own podcast with your friend Kate, who
Speaker 3: we mentioned played Shane from The L Word, and.
Speaker 1: It's called the Pants Pod.
Speaker 3: Yeah, inspired you to do a podcast with your former
Speaker 3: co star who's also a best friend because it sounds awful, terrible, terrible, I.
Speaker 6: Mean, you know, and in all honesty, it was the pandemic.
Speaker 6: We really missed each other and we thought, you know,
Speaker 6: podcasts were kind of around, but nobody, nobody who's doing recap.
Speaker 6: We didn't want it to be an L Word recap
Speaker 6: show because we were scared that we'd run out right,
Speaker 6: because you.
Speaker 2: Know, we.
Speaker 4: Also we know that fear.
Speaker 1: Which welcome to you.
Speaker 6: You have tends to talk about because you you are
Speaker 6: friends as well, right, yes, yeah, so yeah, so we
Speaker 6: just sort of jp, you know, just it was sort
Speaker 6: of like a phone call, like what would we talk
Speaker 6: about normally? And then we're four years deep at this point, Wow,
Speaker 6: and now we're like ning amount of things to talk about.
Speaker 4: What's it about? And what are we going to talk about?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 6: Yeah, listen, please come on, we can do the same thing, right.
Speaker 6: I would love to have you on, Kate. We'll just
Speaker 6: sit back and listen, like what happened?
Speaker 4: So would you do? You know?
Speaker 6: Yeah? No, honestly, I'd love to have you on. But
Speaker 6: we we just we've tried recapping the L word. It's
Speaker 6: just we have you might find this. We have so
Speaker 6: many inside jokes and also like we have the ability
Speaker 6: to laugh at something that's so close to us, right, Like,
Speaker 6: but I think for but it belongs to everybody, right,
Speaker 6: So that's the thing where I'm like, I don't think
Speaker 6: we can we can we can own it in that
Speaker 6: way and talk about it only from our point of view,
Speaker 6: because I don't know, it's just too important for people.
Speaker 6: So we I think we're probably not going to do recaps.
Speaker 3: I could see, Yeah, I guess I could see that.
Speaker 3: I will tell you that we it was. One of
Speaker 3: the things we talked about was like how important Boy
Speaker 3: Meets World is to people, the way it affected them,
Speaker 3: changed their childhoods or helped them through their childhoods. And
Speaker 3: we were worried that our inside jokes or the way
Speaker 3: we were going to criticize something. We talked about it
Speaker 3: just outwardly right at the beginning, like our biggest fear
Speaker 3: is that we're going to ruin the show for people
Speaker 3: by us just being honest and having fun conversation about it.
Speaker 3: But we said, but if we're going to do this,
Speaker 3: we're going to be honest, and then we let everybody
Speaker 3: in on those inside jokes. We never have shied away
Speaker 3: from saying them, and now we have people coming up
Speaker 3: to us at live show saying, Steve's having a baby, yeah,
Speaker 3: and like that's a thing that only if you worked
Speaker 3: on Boy Meets World for those few years would you
Speaker 3: even know what that meant.
Speaker 1: And now everybody he knows it.
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you it's the greatest feeling to feel
Speaker 3: the community has grown and you just feel more connected
Speaker 3: to people and now they know the show in a
Speaker 3: deeper way. So I understand the fear, but I bet
Speaker 3: you would actually find a way to seamlessly do it
Speaker 3: and you would enjoy it, and so would the fans.
Speaker 6: Okay, good, I will take that end.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, finally, looking back now, almost thirty years later, when
Speaker 3: you see your baby years years.
Speaker 4: Every time I hear it, I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: I can't be that long.
Speaker 3: So when you see that baby Lesia as you described her,
Speaker 3: absolutely killing it in her first TV acting gig ever,
Speaker 3: what would you want to say to her?
Speaker 6: Oh, I'm really proud of her, Like I love that
Speaker 6: I just went for it, and I and and I
Speaker 6: see that, I see that in the in the performance,
Speaker 6: I just seem like very excited to be there. And
Speaker 6: I don't know I'd be like, good job, kid, Yes, I.
Speaker 4: Think that's right. One thing we did.
Speaker 2: I want to know if you remember this because we
Speaker 2: talked about this. I talked about this when we recapped
Speaker 2: the actual episode. Do you remember pulling me aside and saying, can.
Speaker 4: You do me a favor? And I was all nervous.
Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna say, like I was doing
Speaker 2: something horrible and you're like, can you start the sun
Speaker 2: will come out tomorrow at a lower key because I'm
Speaker 2: not going to be.
Speaker 4: Able to hit the notes. Do you remember this?
Speaker 6: No, But that's funny. I was watching last night and
Speaker 6: because I started a certain way, and then when you
Speaker 6: came back in, we were in a different key, and
Speaker 6: I thought that was because you could like you couldn't
Speaker 6: hear the key was already. I asked you.
Speaker 2: You're like, could you come and make it lower because
Speaker 2: I'm but the way you pulled me aside, it.
Speaker 4: Was like I really need to talk to you about something.
Speaker 4: And I was like, yeah, God, like I had done that,
Speaker 4: and it was You're like, could you start it a little?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm a professional singer.
Speaker 4: I can figure out what a key is. You know
Speaker 4: new Googles, what's the key?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: Start lower? Okay, gotcha?
Speaker 6: Week we really did.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 3: We've had almost just as much fun having you here
Speaker 3: on the podcast with us, So we can't thank you
Speaker 3: enough for spending your time with us today.
Speaker 6: It was my pleasure. I was very excited to do it.
Speaker 6: It's so great to see you both. You look amazing.
Speaker 1: You're like wise. We'll have to we'll have to make
Speaker 1: plans to get together.
Speaker 4: We definitely want you to.
Speaker 6: Call for the party. So cool, very interested.
Speaker 4: We will.
Speaker 1: Yeah, plug in your home phone.
Speaker 6: We have to decide which corn I would be. I mean,
Speaker 6: oh yeah, I guess the mean I get the edgy
Speaker 6: one because.
Speaker 4: People would want to hear shallow boy. Yeah, I want
Speaker 4: to hear.
Speaker 6: It's decided. Well, thank you so much. That was nice
Speaker 6: to see you. Bye bye bye.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, she's incredible. She I mean, that was
Speaker 3: so much fun to have her. And you could tell
Speaker 3: that she was really excited to be here, which is
Speaker 3: great because I was worried she was gonna You know,
Speaker 3: we have interviewed people before where they haven't remembered anything,
Speaker 3: and then.
Speaker 1: You think, why did you want to be on this podcast?
Speaker 1: If you don't remember this be far. But she remembers stuff,
Speaker 1: and she had the.
Speaker 4: Second she started talking.
Speaker 2: Her voice is so like I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: if and I should have talked her about this while
Speaker 2: we're doing it, but I'll have to email her.
Speaker 4: I don't know if she has a voiceover agent, but
Speaker 4: her voice is so unique. Yes, the second she started talking,
Speaker 4: I was right. I was right back to the shooting
Speaker 4: the show because oh man, her voice hasn't changed it all.
Speaker 1: It's great, man, so great, so great to see her.
Speaker 4: And how cool is that?
Speaker 1: Just going over some of the musical guest stars.
Speaker 2: Wh yeah, and that's not even including like the monkeys, right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: And what we had the what the guitarist from Cheap
Speaker 2: Trick and who was the Oh god, I'm gonna forget
Speaker 2: his name.
Speaker 4: Who's who? What would you think I could do?
Speaker 2: What this?
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, who was one of the tongues. Wasn't he
Speaker 4: one of the four guitars?
Speaker 6: I think it was? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then never forget this, the hold onto the night
Speaker 1: leather jacket. That's part of the show.
Speaker 4: We've got, We've got some serious musical cred.
Speaker 1: Absolutely well.
Speaker 3: You guys can check out Lisha's other podcast, the Pants Pod,
Speaker 3: and hear all of the music from the Murmurs and
Speaker 3: her more recent band uh uh huh her and that
Speaker 3: is playing on all platforms. Billy Vera, Billy, That's who
Speaker 3: was you were thinking of? Thank you all for listening
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