WEBVTT - Was There A Real Robin Hood? 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:04.560 Welcome to stuff you should know from how Stuff Works 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:13.520 dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:16.440 and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry over there. 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:22.959 We're just horsing around saying who's ah, who's are Actually 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:25.319 I think people might like a little recree of what 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:28.960 just happened. Let's hear it. Jerry said, I need to 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:31.840 check levels. We didn't really say anything, and she went, 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:33.959 all right, you ready? And you said we didn't say 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:36.199 anything for levels. She said, I don't need you to 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.800 say anything. She's like, in fact, I needed to stop talking. Yeah, 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:43.479 And then I had to wait until she said start talking. 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:47.920 She mouthed, start talking, monkey, goodness me, is that where 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:52.440 we are? How's it going? It's good. I just want 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:54.720 to before we really get started, check on the point something. 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:56.560 I'm not sure if you know this or not. Boy, 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:01.320 you have a paper clip holding your glasses together. At first, 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:03.400 I was like, is he just storing the paper clip? 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:05.559 And I thought, no, he's not storing a paper clip 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:07.200 and keep that tucked in his cheek. If he were 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:10.360 just storing it like everything else the story, it's on 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:12.840 the arm of your glasses where your glasses meet the 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:16.960 body you see there goes through. It's the it's acting 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:21.360 as the screw because the thing, the screw, came out 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:24.240 and I need my glasses on in order to put 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:27.720 the screw in the glasses. It's quite a conundrum. Were 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:31.280 you raised in Oklahoma in the depression? You know why? 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:34.440 Because you can get other glasses. Dude, that's how busy 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:36.440 I am. I can't go by the glasses store. I 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.800 don't need new ones. I just need someone with tiny 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:43.440 fingers and good vision from Oklahoma could probably help you 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:47.200 to put the screw. Ironically, Uh, and this is this 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:50.360 works so well. I stuck this the paper clip in there, 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:53.320 bent it around and I kind of like it. It 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:55.520 is it's handsome. It's a handsome. Look. I think you're 0:01:55.560 --> 0:02:00.240 gonna start there. Well, I like it. Boy, Um, thanks 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:04.200 for playing lunch. So we're talking today. The reason I 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:08.800 said Who's Ah? Who's Ah? Is because we're talking Robin Hood? 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.160 Is that from Robin Hood? No, it's actually from the 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:15.440 movie Role Models, the Paul Rudd movie. I like that movie. 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:17.280 It's good and I saw it the other day again, 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:20.920 good dumb fun. Yeah, I love it. You know he 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:27.440 like wrote that Rudd. Yeah he's great. I like Stifflers. Yeah, 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:30.520 he's his little buddy in the movie or whatever they 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:36.040 call him. Ronnie. Yeah he was Ronnie. Yeah, he's amazing. 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:39.000 I expect great, great things from that kid, at least 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:41.720 I hope so. Well. Anyway, I was watching Roll Miles 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.760 the other day and one of the Lark guys comes 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:47.239 up and goes, who's ah, And I was like, I 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:52.000 always thought it was huzzah. Strickland always says it's dressed 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:55.040 up like the King of the Renaissance Festival. Yeah, those 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.520 Larpe those Larpe scenes were funny too write. But the 0:02:57.560 --> 0:02:59.760 guy comes up and says, who's ah. So I was like, 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:04.560 I can't wait to incorporate that somehow. Robin Hood, here 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:07.399 we go, Prince of Thieves. Yeah. And the reason why 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:09.480 that would work is because the LARPers were set in 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:13.079 the medieval era, and everyone knows Robin Hood set in 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:18.200 the medieval era. But actually that's totally incorrect. Yeah, most 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:20.120 of the time when you see Robin Hood had set 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:28.200 in the Tudor era in England, almost almost invariably in 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:31.959 Sherwood Forest, which is a wooded area and about the 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:35.640 right smack dab in the center of England. Um, and 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:41.400 the everybody running around is acting like it's the fourteen hundreds, 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:45.119 maybe the fift hundreds. And that's all well and good. 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:48.080 If you're making a Disney version of it, reality just 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.640 goes right out the window. Right, it's Disney. It's a cartoon, 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:55.680 for goodness sake. Everybody lighten up. But it's entirely possible. 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.360 And there it's a good one. And there are historians 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:02.920 who believe that there was a real Robin Hood, and 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:05.680 they have spent a lot of time and effort trying 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:08.960 to track down exactly who it might be, exactly when 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:11.920 he might have lived. And my money, a lot of 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:18.000 historians place it right around the beginning of the twelve 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:22.360 hundred thirteenth century in England, long before the tutors were 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:27.440 ever even a twinkle in anybody's loins. Uh. Here's my 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:32.640 bet is that Robin Hood is a an amalgam amalgam 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:39.840 of a few dudes that, uh, the writers of history 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:42.839 have filled in some blanks and then the writers of 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:46.440 literature just like ran with it. Yeah, that's that's my 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:48.600 take on it as well, is that it's a few 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:52.080 people served as role models for it role models on 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:56.760 a new planet, Paul RhoD Is everywhere. But there are 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:59.560 some people who still think that there was no such 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:02.920 person at all, or maybe even persons might have been 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:05.880 wholly created. Sure, but then on the opposite side, there 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:08.160 are some people and there are few and far between. 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:10.560 From what I can tell, we believe there was a 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:14.240 single person named Robin Hood who did most of this 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:17.640 stuff and was the basis for these legends that they're 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:20.000 called people who want to sell books. So there's right, 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:26.960 there's like they're like Robin Hood case closed stamp. There's 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.760 like a whole spectrum that you can just walk right 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:32.360 up and say, I believe this, and you're as right 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:35.920 as anybody on the Robin Hood train. Yeah. So if 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:39.160 we go back in time, um, you know, I think 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:43.880 everyone knows that early historians had a lot of blanks, uh, 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.679 and they weren't the most reliable narrators because they would 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:49.359 just fill them in with stuff they made up. Yeah, 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:51.880 because I think they didn't. I don't know if they 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:55.120 realized that early on. I'm speculating here that they were 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:58.800 really historians, yeah, that they're like recording history. I think 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:02.600 it was more like, hey, this is a good story, 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:05.480 and I don't know in five hundred years people are 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:09.520 going to be taking this as is written history. They're 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:13.440 spinning yarn in this case. I don't think that's correct. 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:17.240 I think that they were They considered themselves actual historians 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:19.680 who were getting to the bottom of history, but they 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:22.839 had a worldview, and specifically with robin Hood, it was 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:28.200 I think fifteenth century or sixteenth century Scottish historians who 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:30.320 were the ones who really kind of gave us the 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:33.839 image of robin Hood that was drunk, the robbing from 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:37.680 the rich to give to the poor, the chivalry, um, 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:41.520 a lot of that stuff. Anti establishment. Yeah, that actually 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:43.800 was part of it before they had to kind of 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:45.800 figure out how to make that one work because it 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:47.920 didn't make sense to them at the time. But they 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:51.640 basically said, here, we've got these ballads that were written 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:56.120 in the hundred's the fourteenth century, and um, we think 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:59.719 they're historical, so we're gonna try to put this in context. 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.240 And the stuff we don't understand, we're just gonna make up, 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:05.000 but we're gonna pass it off as real. So there's 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:07.120 this if you it's one of those great things like 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:10.040 with fairy tales. We know all these Fasure Tales, and 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.440 you remember we did those those episodes on it. Those 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:14.720 are good, but if you strip away the stuff that's 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:16.600 been added over the years and get to the bare bones, 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.920 it's way darker. It's just child abuse. A lot different yeah, 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:22.480 and a lot different, um than than what we know 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:24.960 and love, as you know, for in this case the 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:27.480 robin Hood legend. Right, So if you want to look 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:30.520 at literature, like you mentioned these ballads, the actual canon 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:36.600 for robin Hood, the very first mentioned is uh one 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:40.559 called Piers Plowman p I E. R s like Piers 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:48.640 Morgan exactly from William Langland about thirteen seventy seven. Uh, 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:51.600 And then there were a host of other ballads, um, 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.920 and this is all what it was, this Middle English, 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:56.640 I think. So is that what you call it? I 0:07:56.640 --> 0:08:00.040 don't know, maybe even old with like wise for for 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:02.840 vowels and things like that like Cannonbury Tales stuff. I 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:05.560 really don't know if that's Middle or Old English. Anyway, 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:09.480 it's barely legible. It is a little and that is 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:12.440 spelled l y T y l L, which is great 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:18.160 a little just of robin Hood. That was was that 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:24.520 like Sean Connery and maybe dope, Uh, just of robin Hood. 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.840 That's straight up says Robin Hood. And then a few 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.680 more robin Hood in the Monk, Robin Hood in the 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:35.480 Potter robin Hood, and Guy of Gisborne, and Robin Hood 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:39.640 in the Temple of Doom. That one was super dark. 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:41.720 It was very dark. The author had just broken up 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:43.520 with his girlfriend, and I think that's what brought us 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:48.679 the PG. Thirteen rating. It was not mistaken. Um. So 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.320 whether or not you believe this stuff basically has to 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:57.680 do with whether or not these early songs you think 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:02.600 are just songs or a matter of history historical record. Yeah, 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:06.040 And like that's how before people commonly wrote stuff down. 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:08.000 Like at this time when this stuff was being written, 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:10.720 the people who are writing it were monks. Those are 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:15.079 the only people educated enough to write. UM. But people 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:18.280 still pass stories down and they did it through oral histories. 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:22.679 So it's entirely possible that these early ballads were meant 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:28.720 to We're created to um commemorate a person or people 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.360 or events or something like that, and then just over 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:34.480 time we lost weight a minute. Are these fiction or nonfiction? 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:37.080 But you're right, like that's the divide when it comes 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:42.040 to approaching UM. Robin Hood from an historical advantage, like 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:45.760 are these just totally fiction or are they meant to 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:49.680 commemorate something that actually happened. Yeah, and it's easy through 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:52.480 today's lens to dismiss these things as songs. But back then, 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.440 like you're saying, it's like, what better way to remember 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:59.000 history than to set it to Uh? Come on, Eileen? 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:02.959 Why that man? Why did you just do that? That's 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:06.480 a great song. It was the first thousand times I 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:08.480 heard it. Oh, you don't like anywhere, you know. That's 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.040 one of the problems is it's like it's like they 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:13.079 just made ten songs in the eighties and that's all 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.960 you ever hear. There were so many more songs Burning 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:19.080 down the house. It was once a great song as well. 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:26.480 I'm going to see David burndon Knight. Oh cool. So 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.280 you won't listen to come On, Aileen, but you'll regurgitate 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:33.080 the what's up Budweiser guys from the nineties, I've heard 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:37.440 that less frequently. Um, what connection did I hear recently 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:39.680 from the guy who directed those I think he's directing 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:42.720 movies now or something. The guy who directed those commercials. 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:45.160 They're like, you may like, you've never heard of this 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.760 movie director. But you ever, right, remember these guys Like 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.760 that was the gist of it. I'm surprised those ads 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:56.200 never got like a full movie themselves. It was that 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:59.320 that definitely that era, Oh for sure. Remember the Caveman 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:02.520 from the Guy co Eds. They had their own TV 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:06.760 show for yeah, like for like three episodes see that. Yeah, 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.840 this totally could have been a TV show. Call it. 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:16.000 What's up? Guys? Right, what's happening? Was taken? All right? 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:20.360 So where were we we were talking about the talking heads. 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:25.439 Let's talk about the forest. Well, the reason we're talking 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:29.400 about the forest is because while a character may or 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:33.920 may not have existed, the stuff in the ballads definitely 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:38.280 bears a strong resemblance actual historical events. Yeah right, Yeah, 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.120 the forest is significant here because at the time in 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:44.920 the Middle Ages, um how much it had a percentage 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:48.040 of two thirds of the land in England were was 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:52.599 forest land And it was sort of a It was 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:56.120 a place where the king, it was a place where 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.120 people could go hide out. So that's where it gets 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:01.560 this sort of outlaw uh lore is it was a 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:04.640 legit place for outlaws to go do their business, right, 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:09.360 but it was also an outlaw hide out because just 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:12.600 by hanging out in the forest, you were by definition 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:15.640 and outlaw because of those forest laws that were super 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:19.480 unpopular among people. You know, forest law means what. I 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:22.040 don't know what. I'll tell you what days, what happens 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:25.080 in the forest days in the forest, Yeah, unless unless 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.480 somebody comes out and blabs about what goes on in 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:31.080 the forest. Do you remember, like being a kid though, 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.320 hanging out in the forest, in the woods, like playing. 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:35.840 I grew up in on two acres in the woods, 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:38.679 so I was always in the woods its own place. 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.600 So you can imagine like your whole country is like that, 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:45.120 and like that's how you're living. You're just an outlaw 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:48.320 with your buddies hanging out, having a camp fire every night, 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:54.080 eating roast pig that you find wandering around. Yeah, but 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:57.840 it was weird because the king could like that was 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:00.400 his land where he could go have you know, go 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:04.520 hunting and have his his dudes hunting. But it was 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:08.720 also lawless in a place to hide. It was weird. 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:10.600 There's a lot going on in the forest, right. So 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.280 the reason why you were just by definition and outlaw 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:14.800 if you were hanging out in the forces, because the 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:17.360 king had these forest laws that said all this forest, 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:21.280 this is mine, this is for my hunting, my friends hunting, 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:23.280 and that's it. If you're hanging out in the forest, 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:25.960 you're breaking the law. And it was like a big law, 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.520 and like there were serious punishments for so just being 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:32.600 in the forest made you an outlaw. But even more 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:34.680 than that, the people who went and lived in the 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:38.360 forest weren't like on the run necessarily from the King 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:41.080 and the King's officials. They were like at war with 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.200 the King and the king's officials. This is a time 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:47.320 where like just some schmoke like you or me could 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.599 like wage war directly with the King of England and 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.640 gave him to come fight us, basically, And that's kind 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:55.440 of what happened. And that's why the forest was a 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:59.559 backdrop for um all of the robin Hood legends from 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.880 the beginning of the ballads up to the Um the 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:06.040 robin Hood men and Tights, they were all set in 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:09.360 the forest. And because this happened, the forest laws were 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:12.760 passed and everyone was really upset about it. So, whether 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.439 it's a metaphor or whether they're saying, like the king 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:17.880 did this and we need to commemorate it, or they 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.760 were just you know, building a foundation for why this 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:24.440 action was taking place. The forest like plays a huge role. Yeah, 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:27.200 and there's there's a new Robin Hood movie coming out. 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:31.080 You know. It's crazy, Like it seems like every couple 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:34.160 of years this this just won't die. They're gonna do 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.280 a new version of it. And there's a new one 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:40.720 with the kid from Kidn't Play with kids from Kidn't Play. 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:44.080 He's awesome. He does that like jump through is remember 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:47.560 held his foot and then jump through the used to that. No, 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.080 I never could, Yeah, I would just fall flat on 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:54.479 my face. Young Chuck was a little more fleet of foot. Uh. 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:58.280 It's got the kid from the Kingsman, you know that guy. 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:04.120 He plays Robin Hood and Jamie Uh, Jamie Fox is 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:06.800 a little John I guess, but it's you know, of 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:10.440 course this one he's he's shooting like literally like five 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:12.600 arrows at once and they all managed to go in 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:16.040 different directions somehow. Oh is it a comedy? No, No, 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.760 it's real Okay, Like there's guys coming at him from 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:21.640 different and so he'll put like three arrows and shoot 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.000 them at the same time. Yet they'll all like spread 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:27.160 out like a machine gun fire or something. Shotgun and 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:31.680 for some weird reason, he's going he yeah, every every shot. 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.080 And then I was looking at movies today just while 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:37.280 we're on that, and I totally forgot there was a 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.240 Russell Crowe version that I didn't even see. I think 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:43.400 that was just Robin Hood, right, Robin Hood from like 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:47.800 two thousand and ten Scott, Yeah, No, that's not the one. 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.640 There's one that like historians are like, this is about 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.440 as close to accurate as we've gotten. Well, I looked 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:56.880 up on the Russell crow and then I think the 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:00.360 deal is that one is a prequel of sorts because 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:04.480 it's it's like the Wars before he became you know, 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:10.040 Robin Hood, uh that you know, robson and gives to 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.120 the poor. I would go check that one out. The 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.840 one that I was thinking of was from It was 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:19.520 directed by John Irvin Um starring Patrick Bergen, remember him, 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:23.920 Oh yeah, and Uma Thurman. That's the one. The historians 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.600 are like, this this really the best out of all 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:32.560 of them. As I like that movie when it came out, 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:35.640 I'll admit it. I saw JFK on the plane to 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:38.120 Australia and I gotta tell you, as it came up, 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:41.800 a Costner fan with that one guy is a great actor. 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.200 You fell in love all over again. Yeah, well, I 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:47.000 specifically avoid a draft day so I could leave the 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:50.360 door open to be a fan again. Yeah yeah, that's funny. 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:54.120 I don't remember. I'll remember was that preview for draft day. 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:56.600 That's all I saw, too. But I just remember that 0:16:56.880 --> 0:17:00.000 they built up in that previews it's about the NFL drafts, 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:02.720 something so big, Like I can't believe that happened. It's 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:04.960 gonna I was like, what did they like kill somebody 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:09.119 in the draft room? Now they drafted calling Kaepernick Kaepernick, 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:15.240 that's so you Kaepernick. Whatever, Let's take a break. I 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.040 feel like we're off the rails and we're lost in 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.679 the forest. Yeah, and we'll come back right utter this 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:34.159 watch why Ska. But you should know that hyk you 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:42.920 should know y ska that you should know knows. But 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:46.480 Josh Clark, by the way, I want to say, I 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:50.040 admire calling Kaepernick or Kaepernick, and I meant no disrespect 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:52.080 by saying his name. You're right, that is just so me. 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.800 Of course I knew you're kneeling right now. In fact, 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:58.679 I know that you knew, but I just wanted to 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:02.919 sure you know um all right, so they're in the forest. 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:06.080 The forest makes historical sense, like we pointed out, that's 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:11.400 where outlaws did their bidding. Um. And now we should 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:16.200 talk about the king because it's sort of not all 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:19.320 over the map. But there's a few a few people 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:23.280 that some historians believe could have been the King of note. Yeah, 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:26.320 but what's what's weird is if you read those original 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:30.240 ballads that are spelled all crazy, they mentioned the king once. 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:32.760 Out of all of them, there's just one mention of 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:35.480 the king, and they they refer to him as Edward 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:39.040 are comely King, Yeah, which I think is Edward three. Right, 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:43.199 that's what some historians say, Uh, if you take the 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:46.440 ballads that face value and that they were written contemporaneously 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:50.200 to Robin Hood's exploits, right, But a lot of people, 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:54.919 and even in the popular um culture, the kings that 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:58.119 are most associated with the Robin Hood legend are Richard 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:02.040 the Lion Heart and his brother, the sniveling villain, King John. 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:04.720 He's always sniveling and weney in the mo and so 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:07.760 in the in the robin Hood legends, Robin Hood frequently 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:12.119 helped Richard the Lionheart regain his throne from King John. 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:14.760 Who had scheme to get it away from him. King 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:18.040 John's the villain. King King really Robin Hood's the hero, 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:22.280 but King Richard's like the backup hero. Um. But they 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:26.440 they think that it's possible, and some of the best 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:29.680 candidates for who Robin Hoo was based on. Actually we're 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:33.320 running around and interacting with the real life King John, 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:38.119 if not also King Richard too. Yeah, but that doesn't 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:41.680 make sense time wise, right, because unless they just took 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:43.800 a while to get around to writing these stories, because 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:47.040 they were around a hundred years before the first Robin 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:51.280 Hood ballad started appearing, right, which, in my opinion, lends 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:55.560 credence to the idea that the ballads are folklore based 0:19:55.560 --> 0:20:00.000 on actual events, because that time span is just about 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:02.359 not enough for things to be kind of changed and 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:07.520 compressed and added to and um for a folklore to develop. 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:10.280 Like think about if you're describing like an outlaw, Like 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:12.720 if you or I like wrote something about Billy the 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:16.760 Kid based on stuff we'd heard, what will we come 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:20.399 up with? It'd be close, but it wouldn't be like accurate, 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:23.560 right right, Yeah, that's a good point. Uh. Richard though, 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:27.040 had a pretty interesting story um when he died and 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:30.920 this is something that is not lower but is uh 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:33.800 is close to recorded fact as we can get. He 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:37.600 was walking around the perimeter of a chateau in France, 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:40.600 um where he that was just there was a battle 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:43.159 going on, basically didn't have I get the feeling that 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:45.280 it was sort of winding down. So he may have 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:49.080 d chainmailed and was like just airing out his armpits 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:54.679 or something. And he was shot with a crossbow in 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:57.200 the shoulder. Ordinarily might not have been a big deal, 0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:02.280 but it turned gangrenous. Uh. And some people say as 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:04.440 he was dying, he said, bring me the man who 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:07.000 shot me, and they bring the man and he like 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:09.560 forgave him and said spare this man. I may die, 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:12.080 but do not do anything to him. But that's not 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:14.919 how it turned out, is it. It's not. The guy's 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:19.760 named Peter Basil. And after the king died, Uh, everybody 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:21.520 turned to Peter Basil and it was like, you're know 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:24.560 you're dead, right, He's like, I probably figured it's yeah. 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:26.480 It's like I was really hoping that wasn't the case. 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:30.320 But but didn't. Didn't you hear him? He just said right, mother, 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:33.800 But they flayed him alive, which meant peeling the skin 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:36.320 off of his head while he was alive, and then 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:40.080 after he endured a lot of agony, they hanged him 0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:42.440 without the skin because I'm sure they peeled it off 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:44.399 of his neck as well. Imagine how bad a hanging 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:47.960 would be. But then without your skin on your neck, 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:52.439 adding insult to injuries what it is? Yeah, So it 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:55.320 was custom at the time that you bury um the 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:59.640 king in different places, which sounds really horrific now, but 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:02.560 he was. He was cut up in buried different places, 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:08.879 heart in Normandy, his entrails and shallows and apparently the 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:13.520 rest of his remains in anjou. Right. So that was 0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:15.760 a good brother. Yeah, that was Richard the lion Heart. 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:21.840 So he wasn't like deposed by his brother John. Um, 0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:24.840 he actually died. He he was king for two years 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:30.200 after their father. Um what was his name, Henry, I 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:33.840 believe Henry the second? Yeah, Henry the second? Right? Yeah, Okay, 0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:37.040 So um, after Henry the Second died, Richard took over 0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:39.959 for two years. Then he dies and then John uh 0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:43.960 ascends to the throne terror and John was like he's 0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:48.600 known among historians is the worst king England's ever had. Yeah, 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:51.439 he was like you said he was paranoid, he was 0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:57.159 had no scruples, he was humorless. Um, he was just 0:22:57.320 --> 0:22:59.280 not a good guy. They point out in this article 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:01.840 you sent he was the opposite of Robin Hood and 0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:04.000 that he took from the rich and the poor and 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:06.600 just gave it to himself. I actually wrote that, did 0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:10.360 you write that? Very well done, thank you, Thank you everybody. 0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:13.520 It sounded like a Josh Clark line. And in the movies, 0:23:13.600 --> 0:23:16.560 like John's always just sort of a just that he's 0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:18.600 sort of a whiny baby. He is, but he's also 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:22.119