1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: There's the shotgun, snap the field. He's back fields, looking fields, pressure, 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: hip behind. He's going down. Now he's stayed up field. 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: Now he's going down down. Get it down, sacked. It's 4 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: Week thirteen of the NFL season. Welcome to another edition 5 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: of the Twentyman in the Huddle Podcast, presented by Microsoft. 6 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: And look, we're gonna start out like we do every 7 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: single week, just a quick update of the news and notes, 8 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: what's going on, and then I've got a great show 9 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: for you today. I got John Osier from the Jaguars 10 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: gonna join me. I got PJ. Clark's gonna break down 11 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: the key matchups by bet mg M. I got a 12 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: player for you. I'm not gonna give that away. You 13 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: gotta watch for a little bit. See who's gonna join 14 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: me today. But I think you guys will like it. So, um, 15 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: let's let's start with the news and notes. Um. Healthwise, 16 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: I think this is a good situation for Detroit. I 17 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: think that mini buy came at a great time. You 18 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: looked at practice on Wednesday. The only guy that really 19 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: jumped out to me as not being there at practice 20 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: was Evan Brown. Um. You know he's been dealing with 21 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: the ankle in jury the last couple of weeks and 22 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: so um, you know, I didn't see him on Wednesday. 23 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: We'll see if he comes back to practice. Um, you 24 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: know later in the week. Jonah Jackson was back with 25 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: a red jersey on Wednesday. That means he's, you know, 26 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: going through the protocol and looks to be good. Jeff 27 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: Ol Couter the same thing. So getting those two guys back, 28 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: I thought they really missed Jonah Jackson and Evan Brown 29 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: against Buffalo. Yeah, I think those two guys, you know, 30 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: obviously jonas a pro bowler, but m Evans played really 31 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: well too, and so you hope you get those guys back. 32 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: But healthwise, that that that buy came at a good 33 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: That little mini by after the Thanksgiving came at a 34 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: good time. Detroit should be pretty pretty healthy all across 35 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: the board on both sides of the ball, which is 36 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: which is great news health wise. I know fans are 37 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: excited to see Jamison Williams back at practice. Hee Romeo Aquara. 38 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: He's been at practice now a couple of weeks, but 39 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: Jamison Williams returned to practice this week. I have to 40 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: admit my eyes pretty much focused on him all day 41 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: during the open portion on Wednesday, watching him go through 42 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: some drills and just trying to see how that speed 43 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: acceleration would all match. It's it's tough when it's individual drills, 44 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: but you still saw a little something something. Uh. Dan 45 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: Campbell said this week that it was probably a tall 46 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: order for him to play on Sunday, But I don't know, 47 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. Something something tells me there there might 48 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: be might be a discussion at the end of the week. 49 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: There might be a debate why not give the kid 50 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: if he if he's ready, you know, maybe five to 51 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: ten plays, ten ten things where you just kind of 52 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: like him. This is, you know, a must win game 53 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: this week to stay in the graphic right into December. Um, 54 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: you can't let this one um slip away. So if 55 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: that young man can help you, and you think obviously 56 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 1: from a mental standpoint, he's passed, you know, the mental 57 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: portion of being back out there and trusting the knee, 58 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: um boy, if he's ready, if he looked at him 59 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 1: in practice, I don't know. Maybe it's just me. I'd 60 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: throw him out there for a couple of plays Romeo 61 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: Choirs probably another week or so too. I think we'll 62 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: likely see both those guys in Minnesota will just have 63 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: to kind of wait and see if, if anything maybe 64 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: surprisingly develops at the end of the week when it 65 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: comes to Jamison Williams. Yeah, I think two more things 66 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: with this matchup. I think this is really interesting matchup 67 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: because it's two teams that are very similar to one another. 68 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you look at the records at four and seven. 69 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: Two coaching staffs right that are you know, trying to 70 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: you know, kind of build their culture. Right. There's some 71 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: really talented players dotted across both these rosters. Do you 72 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: look at the rankings on offense, total, offense, passing, rushing, 73 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: they're just one rank away from each other, and so 74 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: a lot of similarities. And so this one I think 75 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: will be a really interesting one, a one that both 76 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: teams need. Like I said, to stay in the graphic 77 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: and look, the Lions have won three, lost a really 78 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: close one to Buffalo on Thanksgiving. Now they got to 79 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: start that win streak back up. You've got two at 80 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: home before you head on the road. I think this 81 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: week and next week Jacksonville Minnesota are must win, So 82 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: pull out all the stops this week and it should 83 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: be a fun game. I think these two teams are 84 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: very very similar, like I said, and then the other 85 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: maybe mini kind of headline heading into this one is, look, 86 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: number one plays number two, right, Treyvon Walker, the number 87 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: one pick in the draft by Jacksonville, squares off against 88 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: the number two overall pick, Aidan Hutchinson. Obviously they won't 89 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: face each other on the field. They both know our 90 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: pass rushers on defense, but they'll forever be linked when 91 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: when two players go one and two and they play 92 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: the same position, that's just the nature of the beast. 93 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: Cavon Thibodeau, you can maybe throw him in there too 94 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: at number five, But these two guys, especially when you 95 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: just look at it from a statistical standpoint, you know, 96 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: Aiden's been a little bit better, a little more sacks, 97 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: more interceptions, more impact kind of plays. But Treyvon Walker, 98 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: you know, really good against the run, has more tackles. 99 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: So I think two young guys kind of figuring it out, 100 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: getting better every single week, and so that'll be an 101 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: interesting matchup as well. But I've got a busy show 102 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: for you. Make sure you join me right back. We 103 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: got a lot going on today as the Detroit Lions 104 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: get ready to host the Jacksonville Jaguars on Sunday. Welcome 105 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: back to the Twentymen in the Huddle podcast, and now 106 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: I'm now joined by John Osier, who does a great 107 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: job as a senior writer for the Jacksonville Jaguars. John, 108 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining me. I appreciate you. No problem, 109 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: No problem. A very interesting game this week. It is 110 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: a very interesting game. Let's start with this, John, I 111 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: mean when I look at these two teams, I mean 112 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: there's so many similarities, you know, between them, and it's 113 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: not just the four and seven record, but look, new 114 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: coaching regimes, right, trying to build culture, some young playmakers 115 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: kind of dotted throughout both these rosters. Two teams that 116 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: are kind of trying to learn how to win in 117 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: football game football games. Late Detroit was able to do 118 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: that on a recent three game win streak. You guys 119 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: obviously had a huge win laid against Baltimore. Really good 120 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: team of signature win for you guys. But when you 121 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: look at these teams that do you see the same thing. 122 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: It's almost like mirror images of each other. Yeah, it 123 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: really is. I mean it's it's I think Lions fans 124 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: no sort of just like Jaguars fans it's it's hard 125 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,799 Speaker 1: to build your way out of a real down period. 126 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: I mean, and both these franchises have had that, and 127 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: you know, I think this year for both teams. I 128 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: can speak more to the Jaguars, but you know his 129 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: team won one game in twenty in three games last year, 130 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: and you wondered how they would get out of it. Well, 131 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: the answer is the quarterback Trevor Lawrence, in the last 132 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: three games, is starting to play like a number one 133 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: overall pick and all of a sudden, a lot of 134 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: the things that you talked about not being able to 135 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: win close games early. They've had seven losses, six of 136 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: them by a score, five of them with like five 137 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: minutes to go in the game. All of a sudden, 138 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: when your quarterback starts making plays, then all of a sudden, 139 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: that four point margin starts going your way a little bit. 140 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: So it's not as simple as that, but certainly that's 141 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: what this team's been going through, trying to find out 142 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: sort of how to get out of that abyss I 143 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: like to call it, which you know these franchises have 144 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: felt it. Sure, it does feel like both of them 145 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: are figuring out a way to claw out of that, 146 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: get some stability and now you can start going toward 147 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: the top, which it feels like both franchises are taking 148 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: that first baby step toward that. Yeah, you certainly hope 149 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: that's the case, certainly here in Detroit, and I'm sure 150 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: they're in Jacksonville too. And you kind of segued to 151 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: my next question, which was about Trevor Lawrence. I mean, 152 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: you look at the last three games you mentioned it, 153 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: I mean over one hundred passer rating in all three. 154 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: I think if you could buy in the last three 155 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: games at six touchdowns and old pis one hundred and 156 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: sixteen point one passer rating. So look, he is playing 157 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: better ball. And what do you attribute to that, John 158 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: as when you watched him maybe earlier in the year, 159 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: to how he's played over the last month. What's one 160 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: of the biggest difference for you? You know, it's hard. 161 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: First of all, he hadn't played poorly all year. What 162 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: hit sort of bid him, which I think is what 163 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: bites a lot of young quarterbacks in the red zone 164 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,679 Speaker 1: it hadn't been there and their ninth in the league, 165 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: and offense, he's been throwing the ball, they've been moving 166 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: and then once he hit the red zone, sort of 167 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: bags down. I think any quarterback, if you had Jared Goff, 168 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 1: I'm sure he would tell you, Hey, first year or 169 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: two in the red zone, it's hard because everything's so compressed. 170 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: As you grow, you start to get better there as 171 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: a quarterback, they've gotten better there. He has stopped turning 172 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: the ball over in the red zone, probably the biggest 173 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: complaint anybody himself at there were three red zone interceptions. 174 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: He threw two in the in the end zone in 175 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: what became one score games. So all of a sudden 176 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: you turn those around. I don't think there there would 177 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: have been to talk in weeks five through six about 178 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: how how much he was struggling. But overall, what's the difference. Uh, 179 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: he's on his twenty ninth start. He's got the body 180 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: of work, he's got some muscle memory stuff going on 181 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: now where he's seen things before. I'm telling you last 182 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: week against the Ravens, the numbers were there, but the 183 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: look was there. Meaning big time throws late in games 184 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: that not at all human beings can make. He started 185 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: making those. The confidence seems to be there. You gotta 186 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: stack him, as they say in the NFL. But it's Uh, 187 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: it's interesting because I think We're seeing a kid grow 188 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: up before eyes and that's that's kind of fun to watch. Yeah, 189 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: it should be fun to watch. That last drive last 190 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: week against Baltimore was just about as perfect as as 191 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: he could be. And then the throw on the on 192 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: the two point conversion was was money too. That's got 193 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: to be that's get that young man so much confidence. 194 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: And look, when I think Detroit fans look at Jackson well, 195 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: I think when people across the country look at Jackson well, 196 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: they think of Trevor Lawrence right and ETN and Christian 197 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: Kirk and some of the weapons they have offensively, But 198 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: when you look at at the Jaguars defense, I guess, 199 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: you know, defensively, what does Jacksonville do well? What should 200 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 1: Detroit be most worried about when Jacksonville's defense coming into town. Well, 201 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: they're pretty good defense when they play conventional offense as 202 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 1: meaning they have struggled against RPO offenses. They struggled against 203 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson a little bit, stopped him in the red zone. 204 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: They struggle against the Giants, struggle against the Eagles, but 205 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: they have been good against the run with against teams 206 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: that don't run the ball real well from the quarterback 207 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: position what they haven't been good at, and this is 208 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: I think what scares them against the Lions. They have 209 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: been great in coverage this year if you can get 210 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: a blocked, which they haven't been a great pass rushing 211 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: team because it's hard to be a great pass rushing 212 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: teams if you can't cover in the back end, so 213 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 1: that formula has hurt them. So I think that's what 214 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: Lions fans should look for. Can you get these guys blocked, 215 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: because Josh Allen and Trayvon Walker are capable pass rushers, 216 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: but they've had holes in the secondary. They haven't been 217 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: able to cover very well. So I think that's what 218 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: if you can do that against this team, Teams have 219 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: had success against this team, so that's been their accuileos deal. 220 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: They've got to get better in those situations and they've 221 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: got to cover better. And that'll be a key matchup 222 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: this week, obviously, with Detroit having one of the best 223 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: offensive lines in the game, being able to run the football, 224 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: established the run, and then some of the weapons are 225 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: getting healthy on the outside, that'll certainly be a really 226 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,239 Speaker 1: interesting one. You've got to win, like Sundays against Baltimore 227 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: do for a young team, like that. Moving forward, have 228 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: you sensed a different feel, a little bit of a 229 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: buzz some of those young guys maybe standing a little 230 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: bit tall or as they walk through the hallway. Yeah, 231 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: And you know, I've been doing this long enough to 232 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: know that you've got to see you've got to back 233 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: up what I'm talking about. So you have one game, 234 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: but the circumstances of it were interesting when you're watching 235 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: a team grow in this sense. The Ravens to me, 236 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: are one of the three or four class franchises in 237 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: the NFL. They're there every year under Harbor for two decades. 238 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: They're they're more often than not, they're hard to beat. 239 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: The Ravens came in needing that game. It's late November 240 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: and they've won four in Europe. It's a pretty good 241 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: Ravens team. The Juars haven't won a late season game 242 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: against a team where it mattered. And you know, we 243 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: all know the difference in December when you're playing a 244 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: team that's out of it versus a team that's in it. 245 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: Those teams that are in especially like Baltimore, tend to 246 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: win those close games. For the Jauars to win a 247 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: close game against a team like that, I think met 248 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: so much more than if they've been playing a team 249 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: that was two and eight or you know that, So 250 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 1: I think that matters a great deal. Doug Peterson, the 251 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: head coach, who has obviously Super Bowl winning experience, he 252 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: talked about that on Monday that you know, the Ravens 253 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: are a franchise that you can model yourself after. You 254 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: know the culture, everything, they're about to beat that team. 255 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: If there's a few more around it, then I think 256 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: that becomes a signature win if you will. If it's 257 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: the only thing they do, then who cares? Yeah, But 258 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: if part of a stretch where they win four ish 259 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: in in these last seven and I think you do 260 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: look back on that and say, Okay, that's a win 261 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: that mattered in terms of the psyche, in terms of 262 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: the culture. And again I'm suke with John Os. You're 263 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: the senior writer for Jacksonville. Jaguas dot Com does a 264 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: great job they're covering the Jags and John we talked 265 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: about the past rush that Jacksonville's gotta get. Um, is 266 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: there any other matchup maybe that that sticks out to 267 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: you as it would really be important for Jacksonville heading 268 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: into this one. Um, you know it's important for this 269 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: team to be able to run. So Travis cy Tm 270 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 1: has been hurt. I mean he was hurt last week 271 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: a foot injury. He's considered a day to day. They 272 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 1: won last week only rushing for forty yards. I don't 273 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: think that's necessarily a sustainable formula, so how he plays. 274 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: Teams have been able to limit him a little bit 275 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: in their running game in the last couple of weeks 276 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: since he kind of went on a hot street. I'm 277 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: curious to see how the Jags, now that teams are 278 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: focused on their running game, how they combat that. But 279 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: to me, I can go over all the Lions offensive line, 280 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: as you've informed me this week, really really good. The 281 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: Jaguars need to figure out some way to penetrate that 282 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: offensive line. I don't think most national fans know how 283 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: good the Lions offense and that offensive line is. That 284 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: to me, for the Jags is the key matchup. How 285 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: they can handle that very strong Lions offensive line. And 286 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: I know they don't face off against each other on 287 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: the field per se, but you know, Trayvon Walker and 288 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: Adan Hutchinson will forever be linked to one another, just 289 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: because when you're drafted one and two and you play 290 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: the same position. That's just how it goes. It's like quarterbacks, right, 291 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: All those guys from a couple of years ago are 292 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: all linked to each other too. Just your your impressions 293 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: of Trayvon Walker. I mean, you know, thirty seven tackles, 294 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: he's got a couple of sacks, he's he's made some 295 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: plays obviously looked statistically, just in terms of the sacks, 296 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: a couple interceptions for Hutchinson five and a half sacks. 297 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: You know a little bit more production from hutch But 298 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: but what's the word there in Trayvon? How do the 299 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: Jaguars like the development of that young man the number 300 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: on one overall pick in this year's draft. Well, I 301 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: guess is he's going through the same thing that you 302 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: asked Hutchinson now what he's going through. Yeah, you've got 303 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: to learn to pass rush. I think hutch came in 304 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: with a little bit of an edge because more of 305 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: a pure natural pass rusher. So your numbers are going 306 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: to be a little bit better. Trayvon who, I know 307 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: the Lions liked a lot too. I'm sure Lions people 308 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: would tell you probably isn't going to be a natural 309 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: pass rusher as a rookie with the athleticism. Everything he 310 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: gave you in terms of stoutness against the run, playing 311 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: hard every play, etc. He's playing well everywhere except sort 312 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: of developing that pass rush get home that you want. 313 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: He's still bulrushing a little bit too much. You depend 314 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: on that as a rookie because it worked in college. 315 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: So he's probably having a fairly similar year to Hutchinson. 316 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: He's got some pressures, he's gotten close some. I think 317 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: he's dealt with that frustration of you know, you want 318 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: to succeed, you want to see show people. Okay, that's 319 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: why I'm here. They like what he's doing and think 320 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: he will develop in time into a pass rusher, but 321 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: for now, he's a rookie in the NFL. As you 322 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: said on a show we did earlier, it's tough at 323 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: that position, boy to make a huge impact because you're 324 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: having to learn so much. I think I think he's 325 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: right there. They're pleased, and they think he will proved 326 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: dramatically with Hot Well. It'll be fun to watch both 327 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: those guys as they develop and become core players for 328 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: you know, both these franchises. John great stuff, as always 329 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: save travels up here. My friend and I'll make sure 330 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: I stop by and say hello in the press box. 331 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: It should be a fun one. Two teams that are 332 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: very similar that that need to win. I expect a 333 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: really fun matchup on Sunday. Yeah, both of them can 334 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: get on the graphic with this aunt Wayne, Right, that's 335 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 1: a big one we talk about all the time. Get 336 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: on the graphic in December. Baby, Welcome back to the 337 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: twenty in the Huddle podcast, and I am very glad 338 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: to be joined by kind of man of the week here, 339 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: James Houston. All he did was get his NFL debut 340 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: is two rushes, two sacks, his first Special Teams rep. 341 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: He covers it recovers an important fumble. Boy James talking 342 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: about debuts, Huh, have been pretty fun on National TV, right. 343 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: I mean you you put your head down, you grind 344 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: on the practice squad. Right. And we talked a couple 345 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: of weeks ago, stopped by your locker just to chat 346 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: how things were going. You said, look, just going to work, 347 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: going to work every day. And then you get an opportunity, 348 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: and boy did you take advantage of the opportunity that 349 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: had to feel really good, feel great. I mean, just 350 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: did it come into surprise at all to you or 351 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: were you just kind of one of those guys knowing like, hey, 352 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 1: I just need an opportunity and if I get it, 353 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: you know, I could do something with it. I mean, 354 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: that's kind of always been my story, even going all 355 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: the way back to Florida. I was kind of like 356 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: a second team player and they will put me in, 357 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 1: you know, for like a situation or just a third 358 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: down or anything, and I'll come up with a play, 359 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, a fumble recovery or a 360 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: good stop or something like that. And it kind of 361 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: it made me want more opportunities, you know, And so 362 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: that made me seek out Jackson State where I had 363 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: a bigger opportunity to play every down and do my thing, 364 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: and so um yeah, just just hunting from my opportunity 365 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: is I know, I'm a playmaker. I know when I 366 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: get out there, I can I can do my thing 367 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: and shine. And talk about the versatility as well, because 368 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:11,479 Speaker 1: you were an off the ball, more of an off 369 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: the ball linebacker at Florida and then you go to 370 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: Jackson State and and Dion and he kind of sees 371 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: that that pass rush ability and so now you play 372 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 1: more on the on the ball and you have so 373 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: much success with all the sacts and everything that went 374 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: with that. What was that transformation like? Was it hard? All? 375 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: It was definitely difficult, um, especially you know, having a 376 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: mindset of going into his place and thinking that you're 377 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 1: about to do this and it's about to be your 378 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: last go round and and you gotta you know, show 379 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: show these certain things so they know you can do this. 380 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: And to have your position changed to a position that 381 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: you didn't really play, it was It's tough. You know. 382 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: You gotta either got to accept it it and go hard, 383 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:53,959 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, or you might just crumble 384 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: and fail. And so, um, I knew this is this 385 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: is my one opportunity. I chose to come here, you know, 386 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: and the God let me down this path. And so 387 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: uh talking with coach Sanders and Dennis Thurman and coach 388 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: Trevor and they were they were just so adamant about it. 389 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: They were they were all in, you know for me, 390 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: and they were they were willing to get me to 391 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: a place where you know, I could shine and do 392 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: my thing. And so it was really just hard work 393 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: there too. And so I got past that obstacle and 394 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: then coming here. You know, it was a whole other obstacle, 395 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: you know, facing NFL tackles. Yeah, and what you did 396 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: the position switch again too. You started on the ball 397 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: here again, and then they were kind of like, boy, 398 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: you know, this guy's got some really great pass rush, 399 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: let's make up a situational this, and and then you 400 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: started playing more along the defense. So you went through 401 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: the same thing, same thing. It's not easy to do 402 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: with the NFL level. Yeah, that's tough. It's tough. Um. 403 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: I also, I always like, I love my my versatility, 404 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: you know. Um, I always feel like I could be 405 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: in different spots and um, I just have certain skill sets, 406 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,719 Speaker 1: you know. Um, I'm more of a football player than everything. 407 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: You know. It's funny because I talked to Taylor Decker 408 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 1: on Wednesday. I talked to Pennis, who I went over 409 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: and just asked him about you. You you have obviously 410 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: been against them on the scout team all year long, 411 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: and Taylor was like, I'm not surprised at all what 412 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: I saw on Thursday, Like he's been doing that all 413 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: year long. Taylor actually said I was kind of wondering 414 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: why he wasn't getting an opportunity earlier. I mean, that's 415 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: pretty high, Prince, from a guy who's been doing it 416 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: at a high level long time. And and Panna said 417 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: the same thing. He said, Look, we just went at 418 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,959 Speaker 1: it every day, and I didn't even look at him 419 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: as a scout guy, like I looked at him as 420 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 1: like a dude. You know, you were in that respect 421 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: from him. And so how much did benefit you going 422 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: against guys like Taylor Decker and Panna Sewell every single 423 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: day on the scout team. That had to have made 424 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: you back, Oh, most definitely. Like I used to, you know, 425 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: just talk with Taylor all the time and just be like, so, 426 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: what are you doing, how are you doing this? What 427 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: do you see when I do this? And it was 428 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: it was very very helpful for me, Like yeah, because 429 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't understand the nuances. You know, there's 430 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: little little things, you know, every tackle has their little 431 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: little swag thing that they liked to do, you know, 432 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: and so at the swack. In the swack, it was 433 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: like there was almost scared of me after I had, 434 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: you know, four sacks in the game, and it was 435 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 1: like there was reacting to me. And as a defensive player, 436 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: that's what you want them to do, right, you know, 437 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: but you got to get them there. You know. Obviously 438 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 1: NFL tackles they're not just gonna be there, you know 439 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it's just it's the constant work, 440 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: you know, and just understanding the position all around. What 441 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: was it like playing under Dan? You think he's ready 442 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: for for a Power five type deal? Oh yeah, he's 443 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: definitely ready. But he's doing his thing over the HBCUs Man, 444 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: he's starting to start a coach of change and I 445 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: love him for man, That's that's literally the reason why 446 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: I chose to go to that. Yeah, yeah, because he 447 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: was starting the whole little movement and I want to 448 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: see him kind of finished that, you know, with his 449 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: son and Travis Hunter and all the young guys over there, 450 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: and I feel like it could be in a nice 451 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: little shift in the NC DOUBLEA. They definitely could to 452 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: what undefeated again? This, sir, got the Slack Championship coming 453 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: up this week? All right, yea, sir, where are you 454 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: gonna be for that? I'mna be here. We'll let's talk 455 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: about Jacksonville a little bit. A team a lot similar 456 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 1: to you guys, not just record wise, but you know 457 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 1: some young guys who are now starting to kind of 458 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: make an impact and um, offensively, you know, pretty similar. 459 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: What do you see in this match up? And how 460 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: big of a matchup is this for you? Guys? Obviously 461 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: won three, lost a close one to a team that's 462 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: a super Bowl favorite, But but now to be in 463 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: that conversation, to be in the in the bracket and 464 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 1: in December, you've got to start another one and it 465 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: has to you know, you can't get to two without one. 466 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: So how important is this week for you guys? Yeah, 467 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: I think it's extremely important. Um, I feel like we've 468 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: been trending in the right direction, and it's gonna say 469 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: a lot about our team, about how we respond to, 470 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: you know, losing all Thanksgiving, having a long week and 471 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: having to come back out and you know, have that 472 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: same intensity, have that same fire, and still believe that 473 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: we can do it. And I have no doubt in 474 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: our team. I feel like the whole year we've always 475 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 1: played to the end. We've always you know, played our 476 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: heartouts and never like just gave giving up stuff. And so, um, yeah, 477 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: I'm ready for this week. I'm ready to kind of 478 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: see how we train. You can fans expect maybe a 479 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: little bit bigger role. I mean when you when you 480 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: had when you play five defensive reps and you rush 481 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: twice and you get two sacks, You've got to think 482 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: that that maybe those guys get paid a lot of 483 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: money down down the hall. I would think that they 484 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: would not to give away the game plan obviously, but 485 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: can we expect maybe a few more situation, get a 486 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: couple more Russia. It's couple more and more players in there, 487 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: and we'll see how it works out. What did what 488 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: did it mean to you to be nominated for the 489 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: PEPSI Rookie of the Week? You joined Aidan Hutchinson, You 490 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 1: joined Kirby Joseph, you joined Malcolm Rodriguez, right, I mean, 491 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 1: really this defense has started to play a lot better 492 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: over the last month because a lot of you young 493 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: guys have started to play a lot better. So what 494 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: did it mean just kind of joined that that trio 495 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: of rookies and that recognition as well. I mean, all 496 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 1: of this has just been an honor where it's from 497 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: you know, breaking the record or you know, get a 498 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: nominator for this is getting signed like it's all just 499 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: did get signed to the fifty three man roster this 500 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: week as well. So it's been a lot in Um, 501 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: it's I'm just taking it as it comes and just 502 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: thanking God for every blessing that he gives me. You know, 503 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: sometimes they don't always come around. You know, you're sitting 504 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: down there and you're hoping, you wishing it. Sometimes you 505 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: look over and you look at the other guy. Sometimes 506 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: you start comparing yourself and and that's not that's not it. 507 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That robs you of your 508 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: joy and so um, yeah, no, I'm just I'm extremely 509 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: elated and just happy, excited and just ready to share 510 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: these emotions. You know. And I have to tell her 511 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: you're gonna be one of my wife's favorite players when 512 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: she sees this, because my wife's a teacher. I know 513 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: you have a bachelor's degree in education. Congratulations on that, um, 514 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: but you have to explain to me one thing, what 515 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 1: is it? What is a mathlete? You didn't think I 516 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: would do any research doing this, right, So you have 517 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: to explain to people what a mathlete is. Because James Houston, 518 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: the guy who had two sacks on Josh Allen, it 519 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: really started out as kind of this mathematical wizard. But 520 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: so explained everyone when athlete is. So I was always 521 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: kind of like a math wizard. UM. And so in 522 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: elementary school started an elementary school, we had like this 523 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: little test. They gave us a test and all the 524 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: all the smart kids took it and I ended up 525 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: getting like one of the highest grades on the test. 526 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: And so that we formed the team UM and we 527 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: would go to like tournaments and stuff like that. And 528 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: basically it was kind of like a jeopard Jeopardy. Click. 529 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: Whoever gets a class you know what I'm saying, to 530 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: give you a question, whever gets it, click, and you're 531 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 1: just like doing equations your heads or whatever, any type 532 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 1: of questions. It was a lot, you know, we was younger, 533 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: and so we didn't really understand because some of the 534 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: complex stuff, and so sometimes it'll just hit you with 535 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: something you just never even you know what I'm saying 536 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: and impressed. But I was always good at math. Going 537 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: in like sixth grade, I was taking like pre calc. 538 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: I had to go to like the high school across 539 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,239 Speaker 1: the shop and take classes and stuff like that. So 540 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: I was always good at math. I was always like 541 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: three or four years ahead. It's impressive, family, you got too, right. 542 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: There's a lot of there's a lot of degrees, A 543 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: lot of degrees. Yeah, all right, well he is James 544 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: Houston had a terrific game last week. It's gonna get 545 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: more opportunities this week. Just another one of those young 546 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: guys that that's stepping up and making plays and that 547 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: bodes well for not only the rest of twenty twenty three, 548 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: but for the future. James Snakes for joining me. Appreciation, 549 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: it's been a pleasure. Welcome back to the twenty in 550 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: the Huddle podcast. It is now time for the key 551 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 1: matchup segment of this broadcast. This performance, this is prevented 552 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: by bet MGM. He is PJ Clark. He is the 553 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: man behind the scenes, behind the camera, editing all this, 554 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 1: all the graphics and the expert analysis too. So I'll 555 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: do it all a man of a man of all traits. 556 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 1: Here I try. I love it. Well, let's start right 557 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: away with I had to put this one on here. 558 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 1: We don't know how much it'll directly affect each other, 559 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: but Trevor Lawrence and alex Anslony, this has got to 560 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: be the award for the best hair and the end. 561 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: This is the head and shoulders, This is the head 562 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 1: and shoulders matchup. Right, This is important. Book of those 563 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: locks of hair right right here. I mean this is 564 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: I don't and if you're listening audio wise, you can 565 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: just you can imagine it, you know what the two 566 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: guys look like. I mean, this is this is a 567 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: big should be like a little Thoror trophy for this one. Yeah, 568 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 1: for the winner of this game. Like it's like a 569 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: like a college drivalry game. You get the Paul Bunyan Trophy, 570 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 1: get get the thor trophy involved for this one. But look, 571 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 1: I think you know when you look at this defense 572 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: and it's Alliance defense has played much better over the 573 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: last month. I think Alex and Lawn has been a 574 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: big part for that, obviously right in the middle with 575 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: the green dock getting everybody lined up, make sure these 576 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: young guys are playing together. And ever since they had 577 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: that defensive meeting, that players only meeting, they've been playing 578 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: a lot better ball. And I know Alex was a 579 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: part of that as well. And look, they've got their 580 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: their hands full with wh Trevor Lawrence this week, a 581 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: guy who's had at least one hundred passer rating in 582 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: his last three games. He's playing pretty good ball, right, 583 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: He's playing really good ball. And coming off of that 584 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: fourth quarter, late game drive to go finally win a game, 585 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: and it's a very good Baltimore team, He's got to 586 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: be feeling pretty good. But I think Alex is feeling 587 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: pretty good as well. You know, had a big interception 588 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,959 Speaker 1: on John Shallen, played very well in the Buffalo game. 589 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: I thought, like you said, he's been playing well along 590 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: with the rest of the defense recently. But this is 591 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: a guy that I think you might even see it 592 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: affect the game a little bit because we've seen what 593 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: running quarterbacks can do to the Lions throughout the year. 594 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: Trevor is not a guy who is a run first, 595 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: kind of like Daniel Jones justin fields, but he's got 596 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: some legs he can move, and Josh Allen moved a 597 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: little bit last week, and I think Jacksonville is probably 598 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: seeing that and seeing the course of this year, you 599 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: might see some of that. And Alexandeloni is going to 600 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: be the guy in the middle that's gonna have to 601 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: try to stop that if Trevor takes off what he's 602 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: been pretty good too when it terms of when they 603 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: at leash him at the quarterback where they blitz him. 604 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: He's got the second most quarterback, hits on this football 605 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: tum for the linebacker position. When they send him, he 606 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: gets home, leads them with eighty six tackles too. So 607 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: he's such an impact player. So look, it'll be up 608 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: to him to get in Aaron Glenn obviously, but to 609 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: keep Trevor Lawrence in the pocket. Make Trevor Lawrence. If 610 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: he throws for three hundred and forty yards and three 611 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: touchdowns like he did last week, I'm sure Baltimore just 612 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: tipped their cap too, and yet you got beat, kudos 613 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: to you got. But if he's able to run around 614 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: and do some of the things, extend plays, some of 615 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: the things that have hurt the Lions, obviously, not a 616 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: good situation, not a good situation, and Alex is going 617 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: to be a big reason why that can't happen. Last week, Well, 618 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: let's talk about another one. Jeff Wakuda Detroit Lions quarterback 619 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: first Christian Kirk, who I think has been a great 620 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: addition for that for that team. He's kind of given 621 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: them something um down the field, that big play. He's 622 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: got the most targets from Trevor Lawrence ninety when he's 623 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: got fifty fifty five catches, seven twenty five yards, leads 624 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: them with seven touchdowns. He's been really good. And you know, 625 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: I thought, um, Jerry Jacobs Amani, those guys kind of 626 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: stepped in and played pretty well with Jeff missing last 627 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: week's game because of the concussion. But Jeff their best quarterback. Yeah, 628 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: at least he's shown that this this year. He's only 629 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: allowed one touchdown into ten games. He's been really, really good, 630 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: and I think that'll be a really important matchup on 631 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: the outside, and that's the guy you have to take away. 632 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: Zay Jones had a very big game against Baltimore last 633 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: week for the Jaguars. But you are keying on Christian 634 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: Kirk because they have developed a very good report between 635 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: Trevor and Christian Kirk, as you said, leading targets, leading 636 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: receivers that he looks to first, he first read and 637 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: he gets open and he's been very very good, especially 638 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: in the red zone this year. So that's that's a 639 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: key for the Lions red zone defense to step up. 640 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: And I think getting Okuda back, I mean, you saw 641 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: what happened with Diggs, especially late on those final two 642 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: drives from Buffalo where they really just went all right. 643 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: We have Stefan Diggs, we need to go to him. 644 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: Jeff Okuda can kind of negate that a little bit 645 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: more this and I think that's a good point because, 646 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: especially late in the game, the way the Lions have 647 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: used Jeff this year, going again, some of the better 648 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: receivers hasn't just strictly been side side late in that situation, 649 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: if Jeff's available, you got to think, even if Diggs 650 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: is in the slot, that's the Jeff's jobably going to 651 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: be on that guy, you know, not let him beat you. 652 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: So I think that's what you missed without having a 653 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: Jeff Okuda. Look, he returned to practice on Wednesday with 654 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: the red jersey. That's been standard. He's going through the protocol. 655 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: He's had some extra time to get through the proo 656 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: call obviously, So um, the expectation is that, you know, 657 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: he returns that Jonah Jackson who missed, um, you know, 658 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,479 Speaker 1: the game against Buffalo because of a concussion, he returns 659 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: as well. So you gotta love that matchup. JEFFE. Kudiver's 660 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: Christian Kirk is going to be an important one for 661 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: the Lions. All right, Let's move on to the number 662 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: one pick versus the number two pick, and you know 663 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: how this goes, Peach. I mean, they're always they're always 664 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: going to be linked to each other, especially when they 665 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: play the same position. I mean we've seen it with 666 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks me. I mean John talked about this um 667 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: earlier that you just you're linked when you when you 668 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: play the same position and the team has an option 669 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: of which one they want to go to, they go 670 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: with one. Jacksonville selected Trayvon Walker out of Georgia number one. Obviously, 671 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: Adan Hutchinson fell to the Lions at number two. M 672 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: Brad Holmes couldn't get his card in there. The NFL 673 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: wasn't so happy at how quickly Brad, but obviously um 674 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: Aiden was was Brad's guy. But but look, the Lions 675 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: had a good evaluation of time. You love the athletic 676 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: track traits. You look at the statistics, they're pretty similar. 677 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: Aiden's got. I think more impact plays, more of the sacks, 678 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: more you know, the couple interceptions. But two young guys 679 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: that are kind of trying to figure it out, and 680 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: I think that'll be an interesting one. They won't face 681 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: each other directly on the field Sunday, but I think 682 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: eyes will be on when you're the number we want 683 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: the number two pick. Who got the better of the 684 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: better of that pick? You know that, and that will 685 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: be something you watch for the next few years, and 686 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be really interesting, especially on Sunday. 687 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: Lions have been a run first offense this whole year 688 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: and running through Jamal Williams and Trey Von Walker has 689 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: been excellent in the run game and using his athletic 690 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: traits and that play against Chicago that Aiden made coming 691 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: across the line of scrimmage on the goal line to 692 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: cut Montgomery off as he went into the end zone. 693 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: That's the type of stuff Trayvon Walker can do. So 694 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: I think the key for the Lions is, as you said, 695 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: hasn't really developed the past rush moves yet as much 696 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: as Aiden has. But the run game, you got to 697 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: find forty four and make sure he's moved out of 698 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: the way because he has athletic enough and against a 699 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: very good offensive line to make an impact that when 700 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: he's versatile, he'll play you know, the outside linebacker spot, 701 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: he'll switch to their rush end and bass. I mean 702 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: he'll he'll he'll do a lot of different That's part 703 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,399 Speaker 1: of why he went number one overall because he has 704 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: them so much different, so many different things with him. 705 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: So the lines will certainly have to know where Trey 706 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: Von Walker is at all times when when he's on 707 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 1: the field. All right, let's let's let's flip. Let's stay 708 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: with Detroit's defense. But you know, Travis at N I 709 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: think has been a really interesting player for Jacksonville really 710 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: starting since October when they traded James Robinson. He became 711 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: the man there. And I think that matchup is going 712 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: to be important one with Malcolm Rodriguez for Detroit, that linebacker, right, 713 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: they use at N a lot of different ways running 714 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 1: the football. They try to get him the football short 715 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: in the past game, and this is an area where 716 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: I think when I when I look at Malcolm and 717 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: you got you have to love so much about Malcolm. 718 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: I think one of the areas I like to see 719 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,800 Speaker 1: him get a little bit better moving forward is his coverage. 720 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: You look at just some of the numbers. He's been 721 00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: thrown at thirty three times this year, and these are 722 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,399 Speaker 1: profile ball focused stats. You've been thrown at thirty three times, 723 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,919 Speaker 1: it's year. They've completed twenty eight of the thirty three 724 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: thrown at him. That's one hundred and ten point six 725 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 1: pass ring, so I think he's got to get a 726 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: little bit now. He's only allowed one touchdown, so it 727 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: hasn't killed him in terms of the explosive plays. It's 728 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: kind of that dinkin Duck's dunk stuff, and as a linebacker, 729 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: that's hard to defend. I think they'll teach you and 730 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: keep it in front of you and tackle him for 731 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: three yards and we'll take that as a win for us. 732 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: And I think that's what a lot of those numbers 733 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: point to. But still, I think this will be an 734 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 1: interesting matchup because Etn is coming off that foot injury, 735 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,399 Speaker 1: only had two carries last week. I know they said 736 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 1: down Jacksonville this week that it was just precautionrating come 737 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: back in the game he's gonna play. That's an interesting 738 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: matchup to me between those two guys. And he's a 739 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: home run hitter too. I think he's a swift type 740 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 1: guy where any any touch he can get, especially in 741 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: open space, I mean he's a threat to just break it, 742 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,479 Speaker 1: and that's where you have to keep contained. Like you said, 743 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 1: if it's if it's a little check down for three yards, 744 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: keep him in front, because if he makes the first 745 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: guy miss, if it's Malcolm, if it's Derek Barnes, if 746 00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,919 Speaker 1: it's anybody, then he might be off to the race 747 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: is especially down the sideline. He's so good navigating that 748 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,399 Speaker 1: edge and turning the corner and getting upfield that he's 749 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: a real threat to score anytime he touches the ball. 750 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: But Malcolm is coming off, you know, his best game 751 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: of the season. PFF gave him a ninety point five 752 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: highest graded rookie, fourth highest graded defender last week, so 753 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: that's you know, he's improving every week. And I think 754 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: you saw he was definitely hampered a little bit by 755 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: the injury for a couple of weeks there and wasn't 756 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 1: up to full strength. But he's got the brace off now. 757 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: Took the brace off last week and definitely looked way better, 758 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 1: way more comfortable. So I think you're trending in the 759 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 1: right direction. ETN didn't get a lot of burned last week, 760 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: So just keep him in front. No, no, no doubles, 761 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 1: nothing over your head to make a baseball analogy here. 762 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: Just make sure the ball lands in front of you. 763 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: Six tackles for loss for Malcolm. That leads the team 764 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: to I'm sure you know all about at N huh. 765 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 1: And that non fantasy trade you know you you didn't know. 766 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 1: Couldn't give him up, couldn't give him up, couldn't give 767 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: him all. Oh I'm a fan. Yeah, I bet you are. Oh, 768 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: let's move on to the last one. This is a 769 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: big one. It is, and it's Josh Allen versus Penny 770 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 1: Seul And because I think when you look at Jacksonville, 771 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,879 Speaker 1: I think how when they're successful, they're able to get 772 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: a little bit more than they have consistently throughout the 773 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,720 Speaker 1: year in terms of their pass rush. Their seventeen sacks 774 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: are I think some fewest in the NFL. You look 775 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,760 Speaker 1: at a guy like Josh Allen's only got three sacks, 776 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: but you've seen what he can do in the past. 777 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 1: He's a double digit sack guy and he can wreck 778 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: a game if you let him. And so for me, 779 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,320 Speaker 1: I think if you're the Detroit lines, you've got to 780 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: enter this game thinking, boy, our biggest advantage is upfront 781 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: along on the offensive line. It is. You know, you've 782 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: got Trayvon Walker and Josh Allen's good, but I'll take 783 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 1: Penney Seul in Taylor Decker over those two. Yeah, and 784 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,399 Speaker 1: think I'm gonna win that matchup, and so to me, 785 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: I think you just you can't let a guy like 786 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: Josh Allen, who I think is their best pass rusher 787 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 1: pure pass rusher right now, have some success had those 788 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,800 Speaker 1: big plays. You've got to play to your strength, and 789 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: to me, that's Detroit's offensive line absolutely. You just you 790 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: have to keep him contained because you know, you've seen 791 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: on tape what he can do. He's a big forced 792 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: fumble guy too, and that was something that we keyed 793 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 1: in on on Von Miller last week that he when 794 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: he gets to the quarterback, he not only can get 795 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: the sack, but he goes for the ball as well, 796 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: and that is just that can derail not only a drive, 797 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: but that could put up points for Jacksonville. That could 798 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: derail a whole game if you if you lose a 799 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: fumble like that. So I think this is partially a 800 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 1: golf ball security thing. If if Alan turns the corner, 801 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: you've got to be prepared on that, because I mean, 802 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: he is you know, maybe he's not the elite edge 803 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: rusher that they thought they were going to get when 804 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: they drafted him, but he's still very capable of double 805 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 1: digit guy just maybe hasn't hit that ceiling yet and 806 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: certainly hasn't this year with only three sacks, but he 807 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 1: is still you gotta know where he is because that's 808 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 1: a guy that can ruin your whole day. Yeah, and 809 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: Penny Swell top ten in the voting already for um 810 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 1: the stunt. He's stunts and so you let your stud 811 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 1: player perform and be that stuff. It's a speed rusher too, 812 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 1: and I think that really plays in the deepenne strength 813 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: of being an athlete at his size and just he's 814 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: got the feat that can keep up if Alan tries 815 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: to go wide outside like he tends to do. I mean, 816 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: I think in a vacuum, this is a very winnable matchup. 817 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,280 Speaker 1: Like you said, your two tackles versus their two edge rushers. 818 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: So that'll be a big one. All five of these 819 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: are big ones. It's Detroit Lions. You know, it's a 820 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: big one. It's a big one for them. You know, 821 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,760 Speaker 1: we always talk in the in the graphic, in the graphic, 822 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: get yourself to five and seven. Then you got home 823 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: against Minnesota and and then you know, we'll see where 824 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: it shakes out. But to get two, you gotta get 825 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: one right, and so this is a big one at 826 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 1: home against a team that is playing good ball right now. 827 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: They're coming off their biggest win of the year and 828 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: has had a very tough time. I know it's it's 829 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: Jacksonville and the record is not great, but they close games, 830 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,279 Speaker 1: they're figuring some things out, the offense is playing really, 831 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: really well. So I think this is not a look 832 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 1: ahead game by any means. Six one score losses by 833 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars, five by the Lions. It's young, young 834 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: teams that are trying to about how to win right 835 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: and so I think this is a big one for 836 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: both clubs. We'll talk again what after the game. Yeah, 837 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: we'll do this again. Yeah, we'll do it again. We'll 838 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:13,359 Speaker 1: be yea. Yeah sounds good. So obviously huge, huge rest 839 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: of the end of the week here for the Lions. 840 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,279 Speaker 1: Get get to everything in order. Welcome in Jacksonville. Need 841 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: this one. We'll break it down after the game as well. 842 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,799 Speaker 1: So it's been a busy, busy week. Busy busy it was. 843 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,879 Speaker 1: It was a good little mini buy, but it's it's 844 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 1: good to be, you know, looking back toward football and 845 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,919 Speaker 1: hopefully the fans after something to be excited about. On Sunday,