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Speaker 1: we answering your questions on topics, where you just learn

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Speaker 1: exactly sure who to turn to for those answers. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: yeam along with the d D King Kabwala add what's

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Speaker 1: good today? What's great is goal posts. People are pausing

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Speaker 1: saying goal post today. Let me just tell you this.

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Speaker 1: how many questions are there around goal posts? Like? They're there,

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Speaker 1: lot more to it that I didn't even realize. Well,

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Speaker 1: but that's the point here, Mike, right, you cannot play

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Speaker 1: And if you stop to think about it, there's a

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Speaker 1: million questions. Why are they yellow? Why are the uprights

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Speaker 1: But look, we don't have all the answers on this

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Speaker 1: of the experts. A little bit later in this show,

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Speaker 1: He has the most incredible story about a field goal

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Speaker 1: And indeed, I can't help but think back to that

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Speaker 1: And as far as can I call the other guy

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Speaker 1: And listen to this, Mike. We were on the phone

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Speaker 1: F two, three, four, and five. The low end one

427
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Speaker 1: is the F one, and that just kind of a

428
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Speaker 1: peels roofs off of you know, some homes maybe just

429
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Speaker 1: like not completely off but can move some cars slightly

430
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Speaker 1: on the road. And F one a moderate tornado is

431
00:22:00,906 --> 00:22:03,986
Speaker 1: roughly seventy three two hundred and twelve miles per hour,

432
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Speaker 1: so goal post should be okay. Once you get to

433
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Speaker 1: F two and greater adity, there's pretty good chance you're

434
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Speaker 1: not going to see that thing stuck in the ground. Okay.

435
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Speaker 1: So that's making me think of two things. One, have

436
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Speaker 1: you previously worked at the Weather Channel? No, I would

437
00:22:16,946 --> 00:22:19,426
Speaker 1: be awful at that anything green screen, Like I keen.

438
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Speaker 1: Even sometimes when I do new ships for NFL Network

439
00:22:22,306 --> 00:22:23,946
Speaker 1: and I have to straighten my tie and I'm looking

440
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Speaker 1: at my monitor view, I'm always going in the wrong direction.

441
00:22:26,626 --> 00:22:29,986
Speaker 1: So I would be the world's worst weather person. But

442
00:22:30,026 --> 00:22:32,986
Speaker 1: I was sort of fascinated by it. I mean, that's

443
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Speaker 1: very fair. And now we know that you're not aiming

444
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Speaker 1: for Jim Cantory's job where someone has to hold onto

445
00:22:37,986 --> 00:22:41,706
Speaker 1: your leg and you stand in I'm very content being

446
00:22:41,786 --> 00:22:45,226
Speaker 1: a co host of NFL explained with you. Which leads

447
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Speaker 1: me to my other question about goal posts. If they're

448
00:22:48,066 --> 00:22:51,746
Speaker 1: not getting replaced all that often, I would imagine the signal,

449
00:22:51,946 --> 00:22:56,426
Speaker 1: like just even moving something that large logistically is you know,

450
00:22:56,426 --> 00:22:57,706
Speaker 1: it's not like you know, I can order one of

451
00:22:57,746 --> 00:23:00,266
Speaker 1: these things on Prime and next day it's they're ready

452
00:23:00,306 --> 00:23:02,706
Speaker 1: to go. There's got to be some nuance here well,

453
00:23:02,786 --> 00:23:04,666
Speaker 1: for sure, And there's two pieces to this. You talk

454
00:23:04,746 --> 00:23:09,346
Speaker 1: about weather. So in general, the way that Gilman Gear

455
00:23:09,426 --> 00:23:13,266
Speaker 1: does it is that they have the parts. They have

456
00:23:13,826 --> 00:23:17,866
Speaker 1: aluminum always there, and if they needed to, if they

457
00:23:17,906 --> 00:23:20,466
Speaker 1: had all the ingredients, as Neil Gilman put it to me,

458
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Speaker 1: then they could indeed make a goal post in about

459
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Speaker 1: three days. And of course you have a lot of

460
00:23:26,266 --> 00:23:28,546
Speaker 1: experts working on it. You have your welders, you have

461
00:23:28,666 --> 00:23:31,666
Speaker 1: your role benders, and the secret sauce and all of this,

462
00:23:31,786 --> 00:23:34,786
Speaker 1: of course is the bending, because you have to make

463
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Speaker 1: sure that you have the perfect contours inside the pipe

464
00:23:37,586 --> 00:23:39,826
Speaker 1: and that everything is at the exact right angle. And

465
00:23:39,866 --> 00:23:42,946
Speaker 1: as we talked about earlier, your inches, your measurements better

466
00:23:43,066 --> 00:23:46,746
Speaker 1: all be perfect. You mentioned whether so. Neil Gilman's actually

467
00:23:46,746 --> 00:23:49,106
Speaker 1: said that the quickest he had to turn around a

468
00:23:49,106 --> 00:23:52,986
Speaker 1: goal post was when Hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans, and

469
00:23:53,026 --> 00:23:55,146
Speaker 1: as we all know, the Superdome was turned into an

470
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Speaker 1: evacuation shelter, the Saints had moved to San Antonio, and

471
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Speaker 1: then when New Orleans was coming back for that very

472
00:24:01,546 --> 00:24:04,706
Speaker 1: first game of the two thousand six season, for whatever reason,

473
00:24:04,826 --> 00:24:08,386
Speaker 1: nobody real is that the goal posts weren't necessarily in

474
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Speaker 1: pristine shape, and this is how important they are. It

475
00:24:10,906 --> 00:24:14,546
Speaker 1: really mattered to the NFL that everything looked as beautiful

476
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Speaker 1: as possible, and so there was this big rush to

477
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Speaker 1: get the Super Dome ready. And at the time the

478
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Speaker 1: NFL wanted new goal posts, shiny new goal post and

479
00:24:24,906 --> 00:24:27,106
Speaker 1: Neil Gilman said he got a call from a vice

480
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Speaker 1: president there. He was told, we don't care what it cost,

481
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Speaker 1: but we need you to express it. And so fortunately

482
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Speaker 1: they had the parts in three days. They put it

483
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Speaker 1: together and yes they did indeed need a very very

484
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Speaker 1: special truck. But once Neil Gilman had to send goal

485
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Speaker 1: post to Australia for an NFL game there that was

486
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Speaker 1: a little bit different. That was sort of an unmovable

487
00:24:48,986 --> 00:24:50,506
Speaker 1: what do I call it? It was like it was

488
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Speaker 1: mounted on a steel plate, like a roll away goal post.

489
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Speaker 1: You know how you have like a rollaway basketball hoop

490
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Speaker 1: in your driveway. They made a goal post like that.

491
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Speaker 1: They shipped it via air freight and Neil kilb actually said,

492
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Speaker 1: I think we left them there. There's no idea where

493
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Speaker 1: they are now. They also airfraided the first goal post

494
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Speaker 1: to London the first game that was at Wimbley Stadium

495
00:25:14,906 --> 00:25:18,146
Speaker 1: in London. Gilman gear did that and uh Neil Gilman

496
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Speaker 1: said he actually went out there just to make sure

497
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Speaker 1: that they were set up correctly. But you know, when

498
00:25:22,626 --> 00:25:26,106
Speaker 1: you talk about replacing goal posts, part of why we

499
00:25:26,146 --> 00:25:29,306
Speaker 1: are going to talk to Justin Tucker is that Justin

500
00:25:29,386 --> 00:25:33,986
Speaker 1: Tucker forced the replacement of every single upright in the NFL.

501
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Speaker 1: You do know this, right, Oh, I'm aware, and we're

502
00:25:36,666 --> 00:25:39,386
Speaker 1: going to relive the moment that sparked all of that

503
00:25:39,466 --> 00:25:41,106
Speaker 1: when he joins us in a couple of minutes. But

504
00:25:41,346 --> 00:25:43,346
Speaker 1: you're kind of touching on this, right. So thirty ft

505
00:25:43,386 --> 00:25:46,066
Speaker 1: two then five more, that's got to be a real

506
00:25:46,186 --> 00:25:48,866
Speaker 1: hassle to add those extra feet across the board around

507
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Speaker 1: the NFL. So really quickly, let's tell everybody the story

508
00:25:51,826 --> 00:25:53,706
Speaker 1: so that Justin doesn't have to waste his time telling

509
00:25:53,786 --> 00:25:56,666
Speaker 1: us exactly this. It's a Raven's Patriots game, two thousand

510
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Speaker 1: twelve season, and he kicks not one of his prettiest kicks,

511
00:26:01,986 --> 00:26:07,026
Speaker 1: and the ball goes so high that there seems to

512
00:26:07,066 --> 00:26:10,106
Speaker 1: be some sort of question as it's over the upright

513
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Speaker 1: whether it would have been inside the upright if it

514
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Speaker 1: extended or if it was wide. Now, Patriots coach Bill Belichick,

515
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Speaker 1: you know what he thought. He thought it was wide,

516
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Speaker 1: and as you said earlier, he lost his mind over it.

517
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Speaker 1: So Bill Belichick and the Patriots proposed a rule change,

518
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Speaker 1: and they said, instead of thirty foot uprights, let's make

519
00:26:32,306 --> 00:26:36,266
Speaker 1: them forty. He wanted them ten ft higher. So the

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Speaker 1: NFL called Neil Gilman and said can we do this?

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Speaker 1: And Mike, do you know what the answer was? Well,

522
00:26:44,146 --> 00:26:47,186
Speaker 1: the answer was we could, but it would cost way

523
00:26:47,226 --> 00:26:50,706
Speaker 1: more money because the way that the goose neck is

524
00:26:50,746 --> 00:26:54,146
Speaker 1: in the ground, the weight that the crossbar can support,

525
00:26:54,746 --> 00:26:58,306
Speaker 1: you could only go up five additional feet. If you

526
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Speaker 1: wanted to replace the entire field goal and dig new

527
00:27:02,746 --> 00:27:05,746
Speaker 1: holes and put in more concrete and whatever that whole

528
00:27:05,506 --> 00:27:08,426
Speaker 1: process of creating a post is, then sure you could

529
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Speaker 1: go forty feet. But if you wanted to leave the

530
00:27:10,626 --> 00:27:14,466
Speaker 1: goose neck and leave the crossbar and just replace the uprights,

531
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Speaker 1: then the engineer said you could only go up five ft,

532
00:27:17,906 --> 00:27:20,786
Speaker 1: five ft more from the original thirty. So that was

533
00:27:20,826 --> 00:27:24,266
Speaker 1: the compromise. Five ft. It is we're all about the

534
00:27:24,306 --> 00:27:27,786
Speaker 1: Benjamin's right. So the Tucker rule officially kind of in place,

535
00:27:27,946 --> 00:27:30,506
Speaker 1: and we'll actually hear more about this from Justin Tucker,

536
00:27:30,586 --> 00:27:33,346
Speaker 1: so I'm going to classify it as a wardrobe malfunction

537
00:27:33,826 --> 00:27:36,946
Speaker 1: kind of that change the course of history. Only a

538
00:27:36,986 --> 00:27:41,146
Speaker 1: few people know the story until now. So a Super

539
00:27:41,186 --> 00:27:43,906
Speaker 1: Bowl champion, the Ravens kicker Tucker, is gonna be joining us,

540
00:27:43,906 --> 00:27:47,346
Speaker 1: so'll explain what happened in what is arguably one of

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Speaker 1: talker for the wish favorite. Wilford took his helmet off

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Speaker 1: spre right for the official. This one go over the

557
00:29:07,906 --> 00:29:11,466
Speaker 1: upright and was really close. Well, I'll tell you why

558
00:29:11,546 --> 00:29:14,866
Speaker 1: the upbrings extend through the heavens, so be kicking over

559
00:29:14,906 --> 00:29:25,546
Speaker 1: the top of it. It's good. One of those magical

560
00:29:25,586 --> 00:29:28,666
Speaker 1: moments in football, especially if you were a Ravens fan,

561
00:29:28,746 --> 00:29:30,946
Speaker 1: to hear the call in that tent twelve, that game

562
00:29:30,986 --> 00:29:33,706
Speaker 1: winning field goal against the Patriots of Super Bowl champion

563
00:29:33,746 --> 00:29:36,586
Speaker 1: of four time Pro Bowler the Ravens kicker Justin Tucker

564
00:29:36,626 --> 00:29:39,706
Speaker 1: who put it through the sort of through the uprights.

565
00:29:39,746 --> 00:29:42,146
Speaker 1: He joins us right now, just to appreciate you giving

566
00:29:42,226 --> 00:29:44,626
Speaker 1: us some time. Man, you tell me, I don't know

567
00:29:44,746 --> 00:29:46,946
Speaker 1: if you remember the details of all your kicks, That

568
00:29:46,986 --> 00:29:48,786
Speaker 1: one to me sort of stands out. But what do

569
00:29:48,826 --> 00:29:51,266
Speaker 1: you remember from that ball game and certainly those final

570
00:29:51,306 --> 00:29:56,026
Speaker 1: moments It definitely went through first and form both U. Hey, man, Like,

571
00:29:56,066 --> 00:29:57,986
Speaker 1: if if one of the worst kicks in my career

572
00:29:58,106 --> 00:30:00,946
Speaker 1: was a game winner on Sunday Night football, I'll totally

573
00:30:00,986 --> 00:30:03,786
Speaker 1: just have to settle with that, that's okay, But that

574
00:30:03,826 --> 00:30:07,666
Speaker 1: one in particular was definitely like a funny kick. Came

575
00:30:07,706 --> 00:30:10,266
Speaker 1: off my foot a little awkwardly. A lot of people

576
00:30:10,266 --> 00:30:12,466
Speaker 1: don't know this, but on my drive step with my

577
00:30:12,586 --> 00:30:15,786
Speaker 1: right foot too, you know, jump into the ball, my

578
00:30:15,986 --> 00:30:18,666
Speaker 1: shoe like split in half, like the soule split off

579
00:30:18,706 --> 00:30:20,946
Speaker 1: the bottom of the shoe, so it just kind of

580
00:30:20,986 --> 00:30:23,266
Speaker 1: like dangling there. And I think that might have made

581
00:30:23,266 --> 00:30:26,426
Speaker 1: my foot position at ball contact just a little bit

582
00:30:26,466 --> 00:30:31,146
Speaker 1: more awkward, thus sending the ball right from where I

583
00:30:31,186 --> 00:30:33,346
Speaker 1: was aiming it. But I mean, here's the thing. Only

584
00:30:33,426 --> 00:30:36,386
Speaker 1: two people in the world know exactly where that ball went,

585
00:30:36,466 --> 00:30:38,946
Speaker 1: because we had like the best vantage point and that

586
00:30:39,066 --> 00:30:42,386
Speaker 1: Sam Cook who was holding the ball, and myself, and

587
00:30:42,466 --> 00:30:45,106
Speaker 1: the TV copy makes it look like that ball went

588
00:30:45,386 --> 00:30:48,546
Speaker 1: over the upright or almost even wide. But I can

589
00:30:48,586 --> 00:30:51,146
Speaker 1: assure you it was good by about six inches, which

590
00:30:51,226 --> 00:30:54,146
Speaker 1: is way below our standard. You know, we want to

591
00:30:54,146 --> 00:30:56,666
Speaker 1: split everything right down the middle. But I can't assure

592
00:30:56,706 --> 00:30:59,546
Speaker 1: you that that kick was in fact through the uprights,

593
00:30:59,546 --> 00:31:02,426
Speaker 1: just an in is in first of all. Second of all,

594
00:31:02,466 --> 00:31:04,226
Speaker 1: I really hope you got a new shoe deal out

595
00:31:04,226 --> 00:31:06,026
Speaker 1: of that, or at least have a new shoe acre.

596
00:31:07,426 --> 00:31:10,906
Speaker 1: So I don't want to uh disparage the manufacturers of

597
00:31:10,946 --> 00:31:13,866
Speaker 1: the shoes because you know, it was just a flukey incident.

598
00:31:13,946 --> 00:31:16,146
Speaker 1: But we're all set. I appreciate the guys putting no

599
00:31:16,186 --> 00:31:19,466
Speaker 1: swushes on my feet right well, and there's a plug

600
00:31:19,546 --> 00:31:21,386
Speaker 1: right there, you know, even though I don't actually have

601
00:31:21,426 --> 00:31:23,066
Speaker 1: a formal deal with them, you know, but like maybe

602
00:31:23,066 --> 00:31:25,466
Speaker 1: you guys can help me broker deal with those guys

603
00:31:25,466 --> 00:31:27,386
Speaker 1: in organ We will do this. We will make sure

604
00:31:27,426 --> 00:31:33,546
Speaker 1: that they download this episode. Whole takeaway, right, the whole

605
00:31:33,626 --> 00:31:36,306
Speaker 1: takeaway from all of this, though, Justin, is that you've

606
00:31:36,346 --> 00:31:41,106
Speaker 1: got so under Bill belichick skin that he wanted to

607
00:31:41,226 --> 00:31:44,706
Speaker 1: rip up the way kicking has been measured for decades.

608
00:31:45,826 --> 00:31:49,546
Speaker 1: What is the feeling knowing that you compelled a major

609
00:31:49,626 --> 00:31:52,106
Speaker 1: rule change. I think it was about time, you know.

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00:31:52,426 --> 00:31:55,786
Speaker 1: To be perfectly honest, He's absolutely right that the goal

611
00:31:55,866 --> 00:31:59,026
Speaker 1: post needed to be extended higher just due to the

612
00:31:59,066 --> 00:32:01,506
Speaker 1: nature of the evolution of kicking over time. I mean,

613
00:32:01,506 --> 00:32:04,746
Speaker 1: guys are hitting the ball with more force and more height,

614
00:32:04,946 --> 00:32:08,066
Speaker 1: and as are just continuing to get better and better.

615
00:32:08,346 --> 00:32:09,786
Speaker 1: So I mean it was only a matter of time

616
00:32:10,026 --> 00:32:12,546
Speaker 1: until something needed to be done. But to me, it

617
00:32:12,546 --> 00:32:14,986
Speaker 1: makes all the sense, the whole idea of the uprights

618
00:32:15,026 --> 00:32:18,106
Speaker 1: extending into the heavens, and if a ball goes over

619
00:32:18,146 --> 00:32:20,706
Speaker 1: the upright, it's considered good and it makes sense. But

620
00:32:20,786 --> 00:32:22,186
Speaker 1: if you can just kind of take a little bit

621
00:32:22,186 --> 00:32:25,466
Speaker 1: of the guesswork out of it for the officials, then

622
00:32:25,786 --> 00:32:28,786
Speaker 1: you might as well make that change. Just you know,

623
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Speaker 1: you strike me as a technical kicker, someone who knows

624
00:32:32,426 --> 00:32:37,026
Speaker 1: every single minute detail with your craft, the goal post

625
00:32:37,066 --> 00:32:39,186
Speaker 1: in particular. You know, I've heard other athletes and other

626
00:32:39,226 --> 00:32:41,666
Speaker 1: sports talk about equipment, their manufactured, they're all supposed to

627
00:32:41,666 --> 00:32:45,186
Speaker 1: be identical. Is that your read on goal posts when

628
00:32:45,226 --> 00:32:48,986
Speaker 1: you go to the various stadiums. We definitely emphasize being

629
00:32:49,026 --> 00:32:51,666
Speaker 1: a detail oriented here when it comes to, you know,

630
00:32:51,706 --> 00:32:56,506
Speaker 1: making kicks. Every little thing does matter, Nothing is inconsequential

631
00:32:56,586 --> 00:32:59,186
Speaker 1: as far as we're concerned. At the same time, the

632
00:32:59,226 --> 00:33:01,506
Speaker 1: field is a hundred yards long, and it's fifty three

633
00:33:01,506 --> 00:33:04,146
Speaker 1: and a third or whatever the number is yards wide,

634
00:33:04,266 --> 00:33:06,666
Speaker 1: and the hash marks are always where they are. You

635
00:33:06,706 --> 00:33:09,066
Speaker 1: pick a target line in between those uprights based on

636
00:33:09,066 --> 00:33:12,186
Speaker 1: the wind, based on the field conditions, and then you

637
00:33:12,266 --> 00:33:16,146
Speaker 1: aim at that target point as central as possible. The

638
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Speaker 1: uprights just kind of happened to be there. And granted,

639
00:33:19,466 --> 00:33:21,386
Speaker 1: they are important because you have to hit the ball

640
00:33:21,426 --> 00:33:23,546
Speaker 1: through them to get credit for anything that you're doing

641
00:33:23,546 --> 00:33:25,666
Speaker 1: out there if you're a kicker. Yeah, I mean, that's

642
00:33:25,666 --> 00:33:27,146
Speaker 1: one of the things I love about my job descript

643
00:33:27,146 --> 00:33:28,466
Speaker 1: and it's so black and white. You know, the kicks

644
00:33:28,466 --> 00:33:31,386
Speaker 1: are either do it or they're not. And obviously the

645
00:33:31,426 --> 00:33:35,746
Speaker 1: goal posts are a determining factor. But I'd rather be

646
00:33:35,986 --> 00:33:38,866
Speaker 1: less familiar with the goal post than more, because if

647
00:33:38,866 --> 00:33:40,386
Speaker 1: you get to know the goal post too well, then

648
00:33:40,426 --> 00:33:42,026
Speaker 1: you know you're doing the balls off of them, and

649
00:33:42,066 --> 00:33:44,946
Speaker 1: that's no fun for anybody. I mean, that's a very

650
00:33:45,106 --> 00:33:47,826
Speaker 1: very fair point. And it's funny because I've actually talked

651
00:33:47,866 --> 00:33:50,706
Speaker 1: to some kickers who can tell if the crossbar is

652
00:33:50,746 --> 00:33:54,106
Speaker 1: an inch too short or if the upright leans in

653
00:33:54,146 --> 00:33:57,106
Speaker 1: a little bit. But having said that, I mean, are

654
00:33:57,146 --> 00:34:00,386
Speaker 1: there any stadiums where the goal posts are kind of

655
00:34:00,426 --> 00:34:03,306
Speaker 1: the wonkiest, where it does feel like the wind shakes

656
00:34:03,346 --> 00:34:05,666
Speaker 1: the uprights too much or you have become two from

657
00:34:05,746 --> 00:34:08,346
Speaker 1: elier with the uprights? I mean, I want to say,

658
00:34:08,866 --> 00:34:11,666
Speaker 1: league wide, they are the same, you know, and they

659
00:34:11,706 --> 00:34:14,666
Speaker 1: have to be right. I mean, Um, I don't know.

660
00:34:14,826 --> 00:34:16,226
Speaker 1: Maybe you guys are bringing up some points. Maybe I

661
00:34:16,226 --> 00:34:19,746
Speaker 1: don't have to, you know, study the structural integrity of

662
00:34:19,986 --> 00:34:22,306
Speaker 1: the uprights every time I go to a new stadium,

663
00:34:22,986 --> 00:34:26,106
Speaker 1: but justin I don't know. In Cleveland, it looks like

664
00:34:26,146 --> 00:34:29,666
Speaker 1: those upright shake a lot. Well they do, because you know,

665
00:34:29,746 --> 00:34:32,026
Speaker 1: it's December, it's the A S. C. North. I mean,

666
00:34:32,026 --> 00:34:34,786
Speaker 1: the wind is whipping around anywhere we happen to play.

667
00:34:35,186 --> 00:34:37,546
Speaker 1: I feel like any time I happen to take the field,

668
00:34:37,746 --> 00:34:40,866
Speaker 1: it can be like it can be today at practice

669
00:34:41,226 --> 00:34:44,306
Speaker 1: an hour ago. It can be totally calm and still

670
00:34:44,666 --> 00:34:46,946
Speaker 1: the whole practice, and then as soon as you know,

671
00:34:47,306 --> 00:34:49,946
Speaker 1: the field goal unit is called onto the field, those

672
00:34:49,986 --> 00:34:51,826
Speaker 1: little flags at the top the upright, all of a

673
00:34:51,866 --> 00:34:55,386
Speaker 1: sudden they just start moving around and it's like clockwork

674
00:34:55,426 --> 00:34:58,186
Speaker 1: every single time. But but at the end of the day,

675
00:34:58,186 --> 00:35:00,226
Speaker 1: you know you were still aiming in the center of

676
00:35:00,226 --> 00:35:02,786
Speaker 1: the uprights, even if they are being jostled around by

677
00:35:02,786 --> 00:35:05,706
Speaker 1: the wind. Justine, you're not territorial with the goalposts, are you.

678
00:35:05,826 --> 00:35:09,546
Speaker 1: Like if someone happens to be celebrating near your goal post,

679
00:35:09,866 --> 00:35:12,386
Speaker 1: or maybe just doing a little bit of dunk celebration,

680
00:35:12,466 --> 00:35:15,666
Speaker 1: that doesn't irk you doesn't. Absolutely not. Okay, that is

681
00:35:15,826 --> 00:35:17,946
Speaker 1: not a thought that has ever crossed my mind. They're

682
00:35:17,986 --> 00:35:19,586
Speaker 1: just a part of the field. I'm glad that they

683
00:35:19,586 --> 00:35:21,066
Speaker 1: continue to be a part of the field. You know,

684
00:35:21,066 --> 00:35:23,426
Speaker 1: you've got some TV analysts that say they want to

685
00:35:23,466 --> 00:35:25,546
Speaker 1: rip them down and take kickers out of football. So

686
00:35:26,026 --> 00:35:28,746
Speaker 1: you know, maybe from that standpoint, I'll be territorial of

687
00:35:28,826 --> 00:35:33,226
Speaker 1: the upright, not from opposing players dumping over the goal post,

688
00:35:33,306 --> 00:35:37,786
Speaker 1: but sports media members who want to figuratively take them down. Well,

689
00:35:37,826 --> 00:35:41,706
Speaker 1: what did you think last year? Surely you saw this

690
00:35:41,826 --> 00:35:44,906
Speaker 1: right when Oklahoma States threw up on its video board

691
00:35:45,466 --> 00:35:51,066
Speaker 1: yellow bars when the Texas kicker was kicking. Uh, it's

692
00:35:51,186 --> 00:35:54,306
Speaker 1: low Kia savage move. But I kind of love it though,

693
00:35:54,866 --> 00:35:59,346
Speaker 1: Um really I love it from like the competitive standpoint,

694
00:35:59,426 --> 00:36:01,866
Speaker 1: Like is it ethical? Probably not. I mean, like it's

695
00:36:01,866 --> 00:36:04,026
Speaker 1: already tough enough to make kicks as it is, Like,

696
00:36:04,026 --> 00:36:06,626
Speaker 1: why are we gonna throw up some of diffal uprights?

697
00:36:06,706 --> 00:36:08,826
Speaker 1: I don't think it's maybe, I mean, who knows, maybe

698
00:36:08,866 --> 00:36:11,586
Speaker 1: it is legal, um, because it's not like the right

699
00:36:11,586 --> 00:36:14,146
Speaker 1: thing to do. I mean, you want guys to do well,

700
00:36:14,186 --> 00:36:15,466
Speaker 1: you know you don't. You don't want to like just

701
00:36:15,586 --> 00:36:18,986
Speaker 1: outwardly root against them, you know, and you know, like

702
00:36:19,026 --> 00:36:21,426
Speaker 1: the like, just let the players and the coaches settle

703
00:36:21,466 --> 00:36:23,186
Speaker 1: it out on the field. You don't need the video

704
00:36:23,266 --> 00:36:25,866
Speaker 1: department in the booth throwing anything into the mix that

705
00:36:25,906 --> 00:36:28,146
Speaker 1: doesn't need to be there. Mike, you can totally see

706
00:36:28,226 --> 00:36:30,986
Speaker 1: Justin calling up the M and T video board operator

707
00:36:31,146 --> 00:36:35,186
Speaker 1: after this, right like hey, we were hey, we would

708
00:36:35,626 --> 00:36:37,346
Speaker 1: we would never It's tough enough to make kicks in

709
00:36:37,346 --> 00:36:39,946
Speaker 1: our stadium for for anybody else, you know, like like hey,

710
00:36:39,986 --> 00:36:41,626
Speaker 1: like I said, let the players in the coaches just

711
00:36:41,666 --> 00:36:44,186
Speaker 1: settle it on the field. What about that, which is

712
00:36:44,226 --> 00:36:46,906
Speaker 1: the toughest stadium in the NFL to kick in? In

713
00:36:46,986 --> 00:36:49,266
Speaker 1: your mind? I've said this before. I do believe our

714
00:36:49,266 --> 00:36:52,306
Speaker 1: stadium is the toughest place to make kicks in the

715
00:36:52,586 --> 00:36:54,506
Speaker 1: National Football League. I don't know if you guys know,

716
00:36:54,586 --> 00:36:57,346
Speaker 1: but like the way the schedule is kind of constructed

717
00:36:57,626 --> 00:36:59,626
Speaker 1: year in and year out, if you play with one

718
00:36:59,706 --> 00:37:03,826
Speaker 1: team for eight consecutive years, you will complete your thirty

719
00:37:03,866 --> 00:37:07,186
Speaker 1: two stadium tour of the NFL. Like you will play

720
00:37:07,186 --> 00:37:10,066
Speaker 1: in every single stadium. Now, granted, a couple get built

721
00:37:10,106 --> 00:37:12,826
Speaker 1: here and there, or a team may you know relocate.

722
00:37:12,986 --> 00:37:15,386
Speaker 1: So at this point, the only stadium I have not

723
00:37:15,506 --> 00:37:17,986
Speaker 1: kicked in is so Fi Stadium out in l A.

724
00:37:18,106 --> 00:37:20,626
Speaker 1: But I've been very fortunate to kick in every single

725
00:37:20,706 --> 00:37:24,466
Speaker 1: stadium that the league's teams have to offer, and I

726
00:37:24,466 --> 00:37:27,626
Speaker 1: would the toughest stadiums to kick in ore, you know,

727
00:37:27,666 --> 00:37:30,666
Speaker 1: mostly in our division. I mean I would just say,

728
00:37:30,706 --> 00:37:33,266
Speaker 1: like every single one in our division, and then, uh,

729
00:37:33,506 --> 00:37:36,546
Speaker 1: Buffalo's Stadium is a really really tough place to kick

730
00:37:36,946 --> 00:37:40,226
Speaker 1: those lakes, is what it is? Just the last one

731
00:37:40,386 --> 00:37:42,586
Speaker 1: from uh, the last one from us. You said that

732
00:37:42,626 --> 00:37:46,106
Speaker 1: you did like the idea of the uprights going taller.

733
00:37:46,586 --> 00:37:49,266
Speaker 1: Is there any other change you would like to make

734
00:37:49,306 --> 00:37:52,586
Speaker 1: to the goal posts? Um, I've heard the idea of

735
00:37:52,746 --> 00:37:56,106
Speaker 1: narrowing the goal post, and maybe that would create an

736
00:37:56,146 --> 00:38:01,506
Speaker 1: advantage for some over others. But it's already tough enough

737
00:38:01,546 --> 00:38:03,066
Speaker 1: to make kicks, you know what I'm saying. Like the

738
00:38:03,106 --> 00:38:06,706
Speaker 1: hallmark of a true professional in any aspect of sport

739
00:38:06,906 --> 00:38:09,546
Speaker 1: is they make their jobs look easy because they do

740
00:38:09,586 --> 00:38:12,786
Speaker 1: them exceedingly well with a high level of consistency. Right,

741
00:38:13,146 --> 00:38:15,506
Speaker 1: And I've heard people say to me before, like, oh,

742
00:38:15,586 --> 00:38:18,866
Speaker 1: you make it look easy out there. It's it's never easy.

743
00:38:18,986 --> 00:38:21,306
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of a lot of hard work

744
00:38:21,346 --> 00:38:24,386
Speaker 1: coming together in a positive way. So as far as

745
00:38:24,546 --> 00:38:27,026
Speaker 1: changes to the uprights, like, do we need to make

746
00:38:27,026 --> 00:38:29,186
Speaker 1: it any harder, I don't think so. Do you need

747
00:38:29,226 --> 00:38:32,346
Speaker 1: to make it any easier? Absolutely not. I think those

748
00:38:32,546 --> 00:38:36,466
Speaker 1: strange yellow uprights are perfect just the way they are. Well,

749
00:38:36,586 --> 00:38:39,386
Speaker 1: we'll take them. They're beautiful to see on the football field.

750
00:38:39,626 --> 00:38:42,986
Speaker 1: And Justin, if you, I'm disappointed that you didn't get

751
00:38:42,986 --> 00:38:45,306
Speaker 1: the shoe deal that you were hoping for, especially after

752
00:38:45,306 --> 00:38:47,946
Speaker 1: all the attention Zion Williamson had when he was at

753
00:38:48,026 --> 00:38:51,306
Speaker 1: Duke and he split his sneaker open, uh during a game.

754
00:38:51,346 --> 00:38:52,786
Speaker 1: I feel like there would have been something like that

755
00:38:52,866 --> 00:38:55,506
Speaker 1: for you. That was wild. Justin, We're gonna work on

756
00:38:55,506 --> 00:38:57,546
Speaker 1: this for you. We're gonna get this done. We're okay.

757
00:38:57,586 --> 00:39:00,226
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm open. I'm open to the idea. You know,

758
00:39:00,226 --> 00:39:02,546
Speaker 1: maybe I could be Maybe I could be a Jordan guy.

759
00:39:02,586 --> 00:39:05,546
Speaker 1: I just I bought like my first parent this offseason.

760
00:39:05,586 --> 00:39:08,186
Speaker 1: I'm feeling like, you know, I gotta keep up with

761
00:39:08,226 --> 00:39:10,266
Speaker 1: the swag of this team. You know, I'm the thirty

762
00:39:10,266 --> 00:39:14,506
Speaker 1: one year old dinosaur dad. It feels like just behind

763
00:39:14,546 --> 00:39:16,866
Speaker 1: Sam Cook, you know he's been I think he's going

764
00:39:16,866 --> 00:39:20,346
Speaker 1: into his forty seventh year in the NFL. We uh,

765
00:39:20,506 --> 00:39:22,386
Speaker 1: I got to keep up with all these guys man

766
00:39:22,426 --> 00:39:24,906
Speaker 1: Like my swag has got to be taken to the

767
00:39:24,946 --> 00:39:27,186
Speaker 1: next level. And maybe you guys could broken the deal

768
00:39:27,226 --> 00:39:29,626
Speaker 1: with the Jordan guys. I don't know. I love how

769
00:39:29,666 --> 00:39:31,506
Speaker 1: you go from no deal to like the best possible

770
00:39:31,546 --> 00:39:33,946
Speaker 1: do that you could have with Jordan Brand. We will

771
00:39:33,946 --> 00:39:36,626
Speaker 1: work on that. Hey, justin appreciate the insight and the

772
00:39:36,666 --> 00:39:38,746
Speaker 1: time my friend, and and looking forward to having another

773
00:39:38,786 --> 00:39:41,586
Speaker 1: conversation with you more on the specifics of of kicking

774
00:39:41,626 --> 00:39:43,666
Speaker 1: down the road sounds great. Thanks for having you got

775
00:39:43,746 --> 00:39:52,786
Speaker 1: thanks just so there are no going that is good

776
00:39:53,066 --> 00:39:58,146
Speaker 1: water performers. Tell me the truth, Mike, you do know

777
00:39:58,226 --> 00:40:00,466
Speaker 1: more about goalposts now, right? Are you kidding me? Like

778
00:40:00,546 --> 00:40:03,186
Speaker 1: the education that I just gapped as epic and would

779
00:40:03,186 --> 00:40:06,586
Speaker 1: love to hear any kicking stories that people have, maybe

780
00:40:06,626 --> 00:40:09,626
Speaker 1: their best field goal moment, their worst one, something that

781
00:40:09,786 --> 00:40:11,706
Speaker 1: sort of resonates with them. You can hit us up

782
00:40:11,786 --> 00:40:14,706
Speaker 1: on Twitter at my underscore yam at a kick kabwala

783
00:40:14,746 --> 00:40:18,586
Speaker 1: and of course used that hashtag. NFL explained. I will

784
00:40:18,666 --> 00:40:20,866
Speaker 1: leave you with this have you ever kicked a field goal? Ad?

785
00:40:21,266 --> 00:40:24,666
Speaker 1: Can we save that for another episode? We totally can.

786
00:40:24,746 --> 00:40:26,866
Speaker 1: I'll tell you mine because I had to do it

787
00:40:27,426 --> 00:40:30,746
Speaker 1: in Salt Lake City at a Utah football practice. I

788
00:40:30,786 --> 00:40:33,106
Speaker 1: was there and they had me fielding punts one year.

789
00:40:33,146 --> 00:40:36,266
Speaker 1: It became kind of like a running joke. Uh. Kyle Whittingham,

790
00:40:36,706 --> 00:40:38,986
Speaker 1: who's still their head coach. He had Dennis Erickson on

791
00:40:39,066 --> 00:40:41,826
Speaker 1: his staff, and of course Dennis's, you know, Hall of famer,

792
00:40:41,906 --> 00:40:43,626
Speaker 1: a guy that coached the NFL a bunch of years,

793
00:40:43,666 --> 00:40:46,226
Speaker 1: coach in college a bunch of years. He's talking smack

794
00:40:46,306 --> 00:40:48,266
Speaker 1: to me. He said, you can't go and kick this

795
00:40:48,306 --> 00:40:51,266
Speaker 1: field goal, And of course they They literally pushed me

796
00:40:51,306 --> 00:40:53,626
Speaker 1: out there. The team is circled around me like a

797
00:40:53,706 --> 00:40:56,786
Speaker 1: half circle. They set it up. My good friend Anthony

798
00:40:56,786 --> 00:40:59,066
Speaker 1: Heron with the bad snap, my really good friend Jogi

799
00:40:59,186 --> 00:41:01,266
Speaker 1: Roth with a good hold, put it right through the

800
00:41:01,346 --> 00:41:05,026
Speaker 1: uprights from no it was really from twenty five. But

801
00:41:05,026 --> 00:41:06,626
Speaker 1: the point is I got it through. I mean it

802
00:41:06,626 --> 00:41:08,546
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a worm burner, but it

803
00:41:08,626 --> 00:41:11,306
Speaker 1: got through a d D. And that, to me is

804
00:41:11,506 --> 00:41:15,066
Speaker 1: the best field goal moment that I can possibly think of.

805
00:41:15,186 --> 00:41:17,186
Speaker 1: It's a lady I you know what, I feel like

806
00:41:17,226 --> 00:41:20,466
Speaker 1: it didn't happen. If there's not video, there is video proof,

807
00:41:20,466 --> 00:41:22,666
Speaker 1: and I will send you that video proof. Believe me,

808
00:41:22,706 --> 00:41:24,746
Speaker 1: we got that one of it. There's enough bloopers of

809
00:41:24,786 --> 00:41:26,666
Speaker 1: me that if there's something positive, I think I might

810
00:41:26,666 --> 00:41:28,386
Speaker 1: even have that one on my phone because I'm gonna

811
00:41:28,426 --> 00:41:31,826
Speaker 1: hold on to that one forever. But it looks if

812
00:41:31,866 --> 00:41:34,466
Speaker 1: anyone's got a cool video, I would love to see

813
00:41:34,506 --> 00:41:37,386
Speaker 1: some of those once again. Use that hashtag NFL Explain.

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