WEBVTT - Part Four: The Surrealists Were Even Cooler Than You Thought 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:04.400 Cool Zone Media. 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:08.640 Hello, and welcome to Devoured by Bugs. It's a podcast 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:13.319 that isn't called that. I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:16.319 we're not talking about that, except once again giving you 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:19.639 strange hints at what we're talking about before we hit record. 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:24.040 Why do you all care? Why do I think you care? 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:29.240 Why am our guest today is Caitlin? Aren't they hy? Caitlin? 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:33.760 Hello? Excuse me? I was burping. We got the drink 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:37.239 of water that I had alluded to at the end 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:40.000 of the last episode, or maybe did I say that 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:42.760 on Mic or off Mike, I don't remember, who knows. 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:48.920 The point is I needed some water. I brilliantly got 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:52.640 a can of uh sparkling water. 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:54.760 Oh, Sophie doesn't let me drink those? 0:00:55.320 --> 0:01:00.120 Yeah, yes, Well it's for good reason, because they will 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:00.640 make you burp. 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:05.760 Yeah, which you don't realize talk until your job is 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:06.920 to talk, you know. 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:09.920 Yeah, Yeah, so I might be. I'm going to try 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:14.240 really hard not to audibly because that is gross and 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:18.280 anyone to hear me do that. So yeah, I'll do 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:20.440 my best. But now I feel you. 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:24.960 Know, binary cred? What's that your non binary cred? 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:34.360 True? Yeah, I think that the burping on air on 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:38.480 a podcast is defies gender. 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:43.280 Yeah, I admit I don't like it, but because I'm 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:51.040 kind of fem. 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:50.160 Well, I mean so now I'm just gonna not ever 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:53.080 not I'm gonna I'm gonna burp a lot. 0:01:53.400 --> 0:02:01.560 Yeah, okay, not burp cast with our host Sophie. 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:03.800 I will also not be green lighting that. 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:08.919 It's cool people who did cool burps, cool people who 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:13.480 did cool stuff without burping. M Yeah, we're a burp negative, 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:17.400 We're a body function negative podcast. 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:19.000 Now I feel shamed. 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:23.480 Yeah, well, it's actually how I knew that I was transits, 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:24.640 that I poop roses. 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:27.079 That's beautiful. 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:30.520 This girl's poop roses. I don't know whether I can 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:35.280 I can't even. Oh god, all right, we're talking about 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.080 surrealis who probably would have. We're gonna talk about some 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:41.079 people who are into some fucking kind of nasty art 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:44.160 today in a good way. Oh hell yeah, a little 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:48.280 bit more in the sex nasty unless the fucking burp 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:55.320 joke whatever. Sophie's our producer. Hi, Sophie Hey. Ian is 0:02:55.320 --> 0:03:00.200 our audio editor. Hi Ian, Hey Ian. Okay, and we 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:01.679 can't continue until you say hi to Ian. 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:08.600 Sorry I was burping again but you didn't hear it. 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:12.280 So I'm two for two Highen. 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:16.360 And Unwomen Deserar theme song. This is part four of 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:19.919 our four part are on the Surrealists, and today we're 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:22.680 just gonna talk about even more cool anti fascist artists 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:26.240 and queers because there's just a lot of them. Nice 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:28.680 I thought there'd be like clog Con would be the 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:33.960 only specifically fighting against fascist non binary person in the 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:39.960 surrealist movement because but no, absolutely not. So back to 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:42.280 the Surrealists. They're just getting started. You all the datas, 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:44.640 they're like snoweight Now ur surrealis that sounds more fun. 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:49.160 Andre Berton was a Freudian physician helping soldiers deal with 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:51.920 shell shock, and he and others folks are like their 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.920 fucking outh automatic. Writing in nineteen twenty four, Breton writes 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:59.440 Surrealist Manifesto, this doesn't kick things off, It's already been happening, 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:04.600 but it's the cultural touchstone for everyone except that other 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:07.240 group from the big split with Zara that where they 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:10.760 were like fighting each other and shit. They actually put 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:13.520 out a different Surrealist Manifesto like two weeks earlier, but 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:18.240 no one remembers it because it's not the one that's stuck. 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:21.320 I think they got into a fist fight about it, 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:25.680 about having these two different manifestos. Okay, And in the end, 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:28.240 Breton's surrealis just kind of outnumbered the other folks. 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:32.960 It's sort of like when a Bug's Life and Ants 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:35.320 came out at the same time. 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:37.080 Yeah, no one remembers Ants. 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:40.000 No, but people, I do people. 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:46.080 Okay, Yeah, you probably remember the first Surrealist manifesto too. 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:49.640 Yeah, we've established I'm a fucking freakazoid. 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:55.200 I mean I saw Ants, and I remember Woody Allen 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:59.239 does a voice in it for some reason. And yeah, 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:01.200 but bugs Life. 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:05.360 The lesser Woody buzz Life definitely more fun. Couldn't agree more? 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:09.440 Yeah, yeah, it's exactly like that. So the Bugs Life 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:12.479 there's more of them and people like it more. And 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:15.600 the Bug's Life Manifesto is an absurdist document. And it's like, 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:18.240 we know what surrealism is, but we don't know how 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:19.680 we're going to get there, and we refused to have 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:24.720 a set plan. And at the start, they're like art 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.440 kids meeting in cafes and playing games like Exquisite Corps 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:30.560 and doing automatic drawing and some actually mostly writing. At 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:32.640 the beginning, it actually starts off more of a literature movement. 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:34.080 It actually like takes a. 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:36.360 While that magazine called literature. 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:43.279 Yeah, yeah, exactly, the well named magazine literature. Some of 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.680 them are rich kids, some of them aren't. Some of 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:48.120 them are traumatized as fuck by fighting in World War One. 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:51.680 Kids is the wrong word to use here. You know, 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:53.360 you can be twenty two years old, but if you 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:55.120 fought World War One, you're older than me. 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:58.200 You're yeah, you're a grown ass adult. 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:03.000 Yeah. Surrealism starts springing up everywhere autonomously, and they're not 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:07.400 like official chapters. Brussels, which is super nearby, is the first. 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.760 I think. By nineteen twenty nine, they're more political now 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.600 and they write a new manifesto, and this one is like, 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.280 we believe in collective action. We're engaged in all the 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:19.320 following political things. And by the way, the following specific 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:21.880 people are specifically not part of our movement anymore because 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:25.760 we don't like them, because they don't approve of our 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.839 belief in collective action in the following, narrowly defined way. 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:34.160 Most of these splits which keep happening are fundamentally political. Obviously, 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.640 Dali is run out for being a fascist, but it's 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.080 also like who likes Trotsky and who likes Stalin and 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:41.520 who likes anarchism and all this shit. But most of 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:45.160 the people who are expelled don't actually stop being surrealist, right, 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:48.320 because it's not actually it like claims to weve be 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:51.960 a member organization. It is not a member organization. Some 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:55.880 people do leave surrealism, like there's a diehard Stalinist who like, 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:57.680 there's a bunch of people who are like, actually Stalin 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:00.400 says that surrealism is bad and only Marxist really or 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:02.560 whatever the fuck is good and we need to represent 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:06.000 things in materialism and blah blah blah blah blah, like 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:12.280 whatever bullshit. Those people stopp being surrealists. Overall, all the 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:14.920 splits and purges and shit, it's just weird infighting drama 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.880 and not stopping people from looking for the marvelous and 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:24.000 fighting against miserableism. Then in nineteen thirty six, Friend of 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:27.960 the Pod, the Spanish Civil War kicks off. Franco is 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.360 a fascist Catholic and he tries and fails to throw 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:33.200 a coup against the republican government of left leaning Spain, 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.600 and a motley assortment of leftist band together to fight 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:40.320 him back. Spoiler alert, they lose, but this is a 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:44.280 huge deal internationally, this whole fight, and it's the first 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:47.840 war against fascism in history, and the surrealists are all 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:50.920 about supporting the republic against the fascists. You can hear 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:54.520 other half of the Bechdel Cast talk about the Spanish 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:58.960 Civil War on the episode probably called the Spanish Civil 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:02.680 War with Jamie Loftus. But if you just searched Jamie 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:06.240 Loftis Spanish Civil War, probably fine. 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:10.040 I imagine she did at least twenty other podcast about 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:11.040 that specifically. 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:15.760 But yeah, yeah, well there was that whole year where 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:18.320 the Bechdel Cast was just movies about the Spanish Civil War. 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:22.800 Yeah, you know, Pan's Labyrinth and others. 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:27.640 I know, a whole bunch, but that's because I'm a nerd. Wait, 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.400 what are some others? Wait, there's this one that's an 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.200 inversion of Pan's Labyrinth. Okay, you know how Pan's Labyrinth 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.080 is like magical realism against fascism and set in the 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.600 Spanish Civil War, like kind of immediately after the Spanish 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:44.840 Civil War. There's one that's magical realism against four fascism 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.640 set in the Spanish Civil War. It's called ill bosk 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:51.280 the forest but ill I L I think is maybe 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:54.800 the Kathalan spelling of it. Okay, yeah, and it is 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:59.760 pro fascist. It's the other side of the Civil War right, 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.760 and like it comes out kind of a it's like 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:05.319 ants the bugs life. Yes, it's like a couple of 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:09.000 years later. Although you know what, I'm not a big 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:13.520 fan of what are you on? And yeah? No, and 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:16.079 it's it's fucked up. It's kind of worth watching, just 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:18.680 as like this like weird, like so what are the 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:21.280 people who wish that? Who are Glad franco one think 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:21.760 of all this? 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:26.000 You know, wait, does the movie take the stance of like, wow, 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:30.960 fascism is awesome or is it just about those characters 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:31.719 who feel good? 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:35.200 The movie is pro fascist? Oh god, it is like 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:40.000 pro it is anti leftist, is anti the people who 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:46.120 are fighting against the good, hard working bourgeoisie of rural Catalonia. 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:49.520 And this was a recent movie, yeah, like ten like 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:51.559 twenty years or so. Yeah, yeah, maybe ten years ago 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:54.400 or so. Oh god, okay, so does that one? And 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:57.520 then there's Libertarios which is awesome, which is about anarchist 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:02.319 women fighting, and then there's Land Freedom by Ken Loach 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:04.760 who's like my favorite did he did the Win, the 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:06.199 Shakes the Barley, So he's like one of my favorite 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:10.160 directors because he the my favorite movie. But the Irish 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:14.840 Civil War or Irish Revolution and the Civil War and okay, 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:18.679 that's it might be all this. I'm sure there's more. Oh, 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:21.320 the Anarchist Wife, which is the worst name for any movie. 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:25.440 It's a French movie. Okay, this is not Margaret lists 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:30.080 all the Spanish Civil War movies. Anyway, I did enjoy 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:34.199 that very much, though, thanks, We should watch it. I 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:38.280 would love to see get your take on il Bosky. 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:43.160 Yeah, I'll watch it, I guess. 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:47.960 Oh and then wait, there's the zombies one, the recent one. 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:51.920 It's on Netflix. There's the one where it's a it's 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:55.800 like anarchists and also some fascists, but like francoists have 0:10:55.840 --> 0:11:00.120 to team up against the Nazis and the zombies. And 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:04.559 it's called Valley of the Dead on Netflix. All right, 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:07.880 and that one doesn't take a pro fascist side, takes 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:15.920 an anti fascist side. Yeah. Anyway, Spanish Civil War, big 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:18.840 deal in history is the first real war of against 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:22.200 fascism in history. I already read this part, so at 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.320 least four of the surrealists are like, let's fucking go. 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:27.200 I think a bunch more did, but like, there's four 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:29.960 that I've currently tracked down, and there are two couples, 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:32.240 and it's actually happened a lot like couples would just 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:34.240 go and join the army together to go fight against 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:36.839 fight against the shit. Because this is one of the 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:40.840 also the first times you have organized military forces in 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:43.280 the Western world that have men and women both fighting 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:47.360 alongside one another. One couple. They joined the same force 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:50.880 that George Orwell later joined, called the Poom and these 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:54.560 are the anti Stalinist Marxists who basically end up allied 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:56.480 with the anarchists in the Civil War within a civil 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.560 war where Stalin decides to try and kill half of 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:02.960 his own side to consolidate the other half. The other 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:06.200 couple they joined the Drudi Column, which is an anarchist unit, 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:09.440 and I'm one of these people who went to fight. 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:11.760 I'm going to single out Mary Low because she's sort 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:15.640 of one of the most interesting. She was born in 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:17.960 nineteen twelve. She was a British woman and a poet, 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:21.160 and she became a surrealist. Her partner was a Cuban 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:24.320 surrealist poet named Juan Bria, who is one of the 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:28.120 founders of the Cuban Surrealist group, and he kept getting 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:31.240 arrested everywhere he went for his communist agitation, both in 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.839 Cuba and Spain, and then he kept getting in trouble 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:35.640 with the communists because he wasn't the right kind of 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:38.760 communist AKA, he wasn't a Stalinist, because he and Mary 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:43.360 were both Trotskyists, so they're like less authoritarian communists. Way 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:45.720 more of the people who end up on this show 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:50.000 follow the not stalin people will be surprised to know. 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:56.120 The other couple is a woman named Remedios Varro and 0:12:56.160 --> 0:13:01.680 her partner Benjamin Pere. And Pere, since he's like he's 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:04.559 like the surrealist founder and the white guy who's fighting 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:06.520 in the Spanish Civil War, he's often written about as 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:08.520 the one surrealist who fought in the Spanish Civil War. 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:12.400 This is just not true. But he's cool as shit 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.360 and he fucking threw down to try and stop fascism 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:19.440 at the very beginning, so he's great. All four of 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:22.360 them fight on the Aragon Front against the fascists, all 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:25.160 while writing about their experiences for various newspapers. Right because 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:27.360 they're like, well, we're writers and artists and shit, you know, 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.520 so we will use our communication skills the best way 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:34.080 we can, which involves both shooting guns at fascists is 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:38.079 a very direct form of communication, and then also speaking 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:41.319 about these experiences and putting out like radio broadcasts and 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:46.600 newspapers and stuff. And Mary Lowe she actually funds, like 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:51.000 she funds the English language version of the pum's paper. 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:52.959 And at first I was like, oh, she's like a 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:57.199 rich kid right now. She right before she went to Spain, 0:13:57.320 --> 0:14:02.040 she won a ton of money at while gam Oh nice, 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:05.319 she just like went and played Roulette ed La Like 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.959 hell yeah, use that money for the revolution by putting 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:15.160 out the English language paper for her unit, okay, And 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:18.240 they're also doing radio broadcasts, and Mary does an English 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:21.440 one and Benjamin does one in Portuguese. He's French, but 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:26.600 he speaks Portuguese. And then the Stalinists try to force 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.000 everyone into their command structure in the middle of this war, 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.080 and the POM and the anarchists are like, no, you 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:33.160 just showed up. You can't tell us that you're in charge. 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:36.600 And so the Stalinists are like torturing and murdering all 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:40.040 the other leftists and literally flaming people and shit and 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:44.360 being bad. Jan Bria, the Cuban surrealist. He gets arrested 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:47.120 twice by the Stalinists in only a few months while 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:49.520 he's in the middle of trying to fight their common enemy, right, 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.560 and then they try and kill him. A car tries 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:55.760 to run him down in an alley, and he's like, 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:58.160 this is a fucking movie. The way he gets out 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:00.680 of this assassination attempt is he is to literally break 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.440 down a door in the alley to like escape, you know. 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:07.960 And so the couple flees Barcelona rather than get murdered. 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:13.240 The other two leave Spain about four months later, I think, 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:18.280 for more or less the same reasons. And getting back 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:21.320 to France after this must have fucking sucked, right, because 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:25.200 this is like revolutionary Spain is like this is it. 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.640 We were doing it right. All of the things we've 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:32.160 dreamed of, they're actually happening. We're creating a pluralistic like 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:37.000 leftist revolution. We're collectivizing all these workplaces. We are like 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:41.600 abortion is legalized, like divorce is legal made easier. I 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:43.440 don't remember exactly about the divorce. I remember the abortion 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:47.840 part clearly. They get back to France and everything's starting 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.600 to fall apart, and Benjamin is arrested for distributing anarchist 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:52.720 literature by the French government and he has to flee 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:57.400 to Mexico. Right. Mary and Juan they're broke as hell 0:15:57.920 --> 0:15:59.880 and they're watching the Spanish Republic fall to the comb 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:03.880 forces of Stalin and Franco. They hang around for a while, 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:06.040 they're just like living, broke as shit, and they write 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:08.920 a book called The Red Spanish Notebook together. Then they 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:10.600 go to England and get married, and then they go 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:11.000 to Qubo. 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:13.320 It came out at the same exact time as the 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:14.480 movie The Notebook. 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:15.000 Yeah. 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:19.720 Actually, Nicholas Sparks famously fought in the Spanish Civil War. 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:22.840 For both sides. 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.880 I actually don't know Nicholas's sparks politics. Surprise. 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:30.600 I think they're not good. I think he's pretty conservative. 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:35.400 Yeah, and surprised me. I used to have to write 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:38.840 in Nicholas Sparks style romance books because I used to 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.680 ghost write romance books, and they were like, we want 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:44.440 you to write. I was not Nicholas Sparks's ghostwriter, but 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:46.640 I was writing where they were like, look, we're ripping 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:48.640 off Nicholas sparks. Can you write these books. 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:50.600 Fascinating? 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:55.840 Yeah? That was my That was my job when like 0:16:55.960 --> 0:17:01.680 that that saved me from pretty abject poverty at one point. Okay, yeah, 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:05.520 wild and I signed a non disclosure agreement, so I 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:06.760 can't say what they are. 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:13.120 Damn, that's a secret. I would like to know. Are 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:14.359 they like famous though? 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:15.600 I guess you know. 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:19.080 I mean, like, What's Funny is like one of them? 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:23.520 Until recently, was probably the most red thing I'd ever written. Okay, 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:28.560 but now, thanks dear listeners, my actual fiction is starting 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:32.560 to be read more than the absolute garbage that I 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:35.840 churned out for five thousand dollars a novel when I 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.240 had no money in my van. I lived in a van, 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:39.840 but my van was broken. 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:44.119 Is that all the more the ghostwriters get paid? 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:51.879 Yeah, it's not good. A dire fucking novel for five grand. 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:54.959 They paid the cover photographer. It was like an Abercrombie 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:57.480 and Fitch photographer. They paid the photographer the same that 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:01.440 they paid me to like, I had three weeks to 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:04.320 write the book, because they this is totally what the 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:06.640 listeners are here for whatever, I'm gonna finish the story. 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:08.800 They were like, you have a month to write this, 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:10.520 and I was like, sure, and the whole thing sounded 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:13.040 so scammy that I waited for the first check to 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:16.680 clear before I started writing. And then I had three 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:20.000 weeks to write the whole thing, and I just hid 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:25.920 in my partner's apartment while they were teaching and listened 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:30.959 to Dope Throne by Sleep over and over again and 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:38.720 wrote terrible, the worst shit I've ever written. I'm saying, yeah, anyway, 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:42.120 that is like the book that they wrote, the Red 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:46.840 Spanish Notebook. While they were living also broke. They went 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:49.439 to England to get married. Oh, I almost went to 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:51.800 England to marry actually my partner from then, but I didn't. 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:53.960 They went to Cuba for a while, then they traveled 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:56.280 around Europe, and then they had to flee the Nazi 0:18:56.280 --> 0:19:00.280 occupation of Prague and literal Nazi custody right, and they 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:03.040 used the help of some literary friends to get out 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:06.280 of Nazi custody and got the fuck back to Cuba 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:10.640 to just follow just close out their story. One died 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:13.879 of this or that illness in nineteen forty one. Mary 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:17.320 married another Trotzkist and helped overthrow the Cuban capital's government, 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:22.680 all while raising a bunch of kids, then fucking Stalinists. 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:26.440 She'd settled into the Revolutionary society as a professor, being like, hooray, 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:30.560 we've made a communism. Her husband was a his civil servant, 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:33.240 and then Castro was like, hey, sorry, I have to 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:35.960 persecute all the Communish aren't exactly the right kind of communist. 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:39.639 So the couple had to flee. This time they went 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:43.040 to Florida. I think Margaret complains about Stalinists. This is 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:45.720 probably the free space and cool people did cool stuff bingo. 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:51.040 But Mary lived a long ass time stay in suru 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:53.320 to or politics right to the end. She died in 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:55.560 Miami in two thousand and seven at ninety four years old. 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:58.639 And if you want to live to ninety four years old, 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:04.040 what are you promising near bag cut supplements? Right? Isn't 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:05.879 that a thing we should start selling? Is that a 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:11.720 cool thing? If we could promise people eternal life? Vamporism, Yeah, 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:12.119 there we go. 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:13.359 I was gonna say, where's that? 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:17.600 Say? We try to not do the supplement stuff, and okay, vamporism. 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:19.600 Most of them give me the grifterick. 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:24.680 How much would you pay Kaylin Durante to become a vampire? 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:27.919 Five dollars, ten dollars, one thousand dollars. 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:33.840 I mean something. I didn't hear the first part of 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:36.520 your question because I was drinking more of my pur. 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:39.119 Trying to avoid burpan. How much would you pay to 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:39.960 become a vampire? 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:45.199 Oh? Wow? Honestly, here's the thing. I don't want to 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:51.159 live that long, okay, and I don't want to have 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:54.640 to eat people, So I would pay zero dollars. 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:59.600 Okay, So you would choose to not become a vampire? Yeah, yes, Sophie, 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:00.800 would you become a vampire? 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:03.560 All I'm saying is there was one time in Los 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:07.159 Angeles where I ran into the really really really mega 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:11.440 baybelicious guys who played the vampire in the Vampire Diaries, 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:15.280 the two brothers. That was really fun for me. 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:19.160 So you're already a vampires? What you're telling me, That's 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:21.640 what I'm saying, is do they I've never seen you outside? 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:24.320 They are they included in the vampires? 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:26.560 Because that would change my answer. 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:31.760 So much. Also, I hope that guy's dog. 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:35.720 Is well, Ah, did you put his dog? 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:36.160 Oh? 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:36.800 Yeah, I was. 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:39.040 I literally ignored the men and just talked to the 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:41.119 dog the entire times, as you do. 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:43.680 I was like I would pay a lot of money 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:44.480 to become a dog. 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:49.480 Yeah, okay, I'd pay a lot of money become my 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:52.960 dog has a great. 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:54.560 Life, yeah, spoiled A spoiled dog. 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:58.320 Ye a podcast, A podcast dog. 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:00.600 I would become a vampire. I don't to eat people, 0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:03.760 and I'm squeamish, but I feel like I like owe it, 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:06.480 you know, like like turning down that much power. That 0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:08.640 could be like, let's do. 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:11.240 It, magpilots start. Let's start it, all. 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:15.680 Right, So we are selling vamporism. If you give us 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:24.480 your first born child? Is that a that's not how still? 0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:28.000 Oh okay, well we'll figure it out and then insert 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:30.040 the following ad for vamporism. 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:32.879 You just have to on the vampire diars. You just 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:36.560 have to somebody. You have to pay somebody who's already 0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:39.280 a vampire to put give you some of their blood 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:42.840 and then murder you. And then you have to bribe 0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:45.119 a human to give them your blood so that you 0:22:45.240 --> 0:22:53.200 fully are a vampire. You're welcome. I have friends. 0:22:54.800 --> 0:23:00.240 We all do. You're not the main person. I talk 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:02.359 to you all the time. And what you're talking about. 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:11.200 Here's ads and we are back and we're talking about 0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:16.880