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Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff Mom Never told You from how Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Kristen and I'm Caroline. And in this episode about fit

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Speaker 1: spo slash inspiration is something that a listener from Australia

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Speaker 1: suggested on Facebook and I'm glad that she suggested it

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Speaker 1: because it's something that has been on my mind as well.

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Speaker 1: But before I go further, let's talk about what fit

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Speaker 1: spo is for listeners that might be unfamiliar. Caroline, Um,

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Speaker 1: we've got a good definition from an Atlantic article. Actually,

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Speaker 1: they talked to seventeen year old Page Padilla, who runs

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Speaker 1: a sort of I guess you could call it a

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Speaker 1: fit spiration or a thinspiration blog, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: her images have actually taken off and sort of developed

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Speaker 1: a life of their own out on the internet. She

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Speaker 1: had act. She started her blog because she wanted to

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Speaker 1: lose some weight to be on the rowing team, but

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Speaker 1: she wanted to find a good, healthy way to do it.

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Speaker 1: She wanted to inspire herself and she also wanted to

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Speaker 1: find out what other people did to inspire themselves why

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Speaker 1: they wanted to lose weight, and she started to get

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Speaker 1: a lot of I'm I mean, I'm cutting the short

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Speaker 1: story very short. But she started to get a lot

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Speaker 1: of very negative, almost scary things. So instead of being like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I want to be strong, I want to

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Speaker 1: be an athlete, it was more like I don't want

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Speaker 1: my thighs to touch, you know, really negative reinforcement instead

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Speaker 1: of positive reinforcement. Yeah, it veered into the pro interrexic

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Speaker 1: pro eating disorder thinspiration that a lot of the media

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Speaker 1: have been reporting on in the past two years. Uh, Facebook, Instagram, Pinterest,

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Speaker 1: and Tumbler have all taken steps to block pro anna

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Speaker 1: or pro et fins bow from their sites. And so

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Speaker 1: Padita talks about how thins spiration sort of lead into

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Speaker 1: fit spiration, right, and how she says, you know, there's thinspiration,

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Speaker 1: which is now kind of an unhealthy, sickly fascination with

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Speaker 1: someone with an eating disorder, she says, and then there's

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Speaker 1: fit spiration, which concentrates on the health aspect. She says.

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Speaker 1: My website, I've tagged it as thinspiration, but personally I'm

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Speaker 1: a fits bow blogger rather than a thins bow blogger.

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Speaker 1: So not to get punty here, but there's a very

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Speaker 1: thin line between fins bow and fits bow and positive

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Speaker 1: motivation and something that's gonna make you feel really bad

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Speaker 1: about yourself personally personal real talk time. When I'm on

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Speaker 1: Pinterest and I see some of these fits bow images

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Speaker 1: and I'm talking fits bow, not fins bow, all these

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Speaker 1: pose I I start to really feel bad about myself.

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Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. I mean there's some stuff out there

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Speaker 1: that is like, yeah, I I can be strong, and

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Speaker 1: I can be healthy, and I can you know, feel

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Speaker 1: great about myself, and that's all well and good. But

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Speaker 1: I feel like when you start to get into the

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Speaker 1: territory of like, you know, you've got to do it

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Speaker 1: every day or you're not good enough, he won't love you.

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Speaker 1: You're not going to be successful, You're going to be ugly.

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Speaker 1: Like all of this horrible messaging out there on the internet,

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Speaker 1: I just like can't. I can't look at it because

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Speaker 1: it makes me just feel sick. And there is the

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Speaker 1: imagery involved as well, Just to offer some contrast between

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Speaker 1: a typical fit spow image versus a thin spow image,

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Speaker 1: fits Bow will be a close up on a woman's

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Speaker 1: highly sculpted, usually sweat covered six pack of abdominal muscles,

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Speaker 1: indicating that she just worked out and look at her muscles,

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Speaker 1: and it focuses a lot on that muscularity aspect, whereas

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Speaker 1: a similar image that's more thin spow would focus in

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Speaker 1: on a girl's flat middriff and her jutting hip bones,

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Speaker 1: say sometimes on her ribcage too. It depends on the

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Speaker 1: severity of the fins BO whether it's more pro anna

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Speaker 1: or pro mia, which is short for pro bolimia. But

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Speaker 1: we wanted to focus this podcast on fits BO because

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Speaker 1: it's a sti. Fitspiration has sort of spooted under the radar,

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Speaker 1: whereas the inspiration is something that has come out to

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Speaker 1: you know, the public attention is being bad. It's bad

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Speaker 1: for body image, it's promotional of eating disorders, etcetera. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: we have fitzpo hanging out. And the more fits bo

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Speaker 1: you look at and the more fitzsbo messages you read,

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Speaker 1: the more it becomes very clear that perhaps fitz bo

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Speaker 1: is not all that healthy for us. And one of

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Speaker 1: the things that came to my mind when we started

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Speaker 1: looking into fits bo is the phrase strong is the

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Speaker 1: new skinny, and you see that on a lot of

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Speaker 1: Fitsbo images, and to me, it's kind of the foundational

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Speaker 1: know where it came from. I assumed that it was

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Speaker 1: probably some kind of branding something or other, and lo

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Speaker 1: and behold it was. It was invented in trademark in

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Speaker 1: And now it's become this this whole thing online. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you really need to I mean, I'm not I'm not

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Speaker 1: you really do need to be aware of marketing because

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Speaker 1: what is good marketing. Marketing is making you want something

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Speaker 1: without you even realizing that you're being convinced to do something.

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Speaker 1: And strong as the new skinny sounds like a good thing, yeah,

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Speaker 1: well yeah, it sounds like a good thing and fits bo,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of sounds like a good thing in

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Speaker 1: want to It's come like like Paige Padilla, the seventeen

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Speaker 1: of let's get fit, let's get in shape, let's get healthy. However,

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Speaker 1: it has kind of taken that turn. Well, how about

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Speaker 1: we read some of the messages. This is imagery aside,

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Speaker 1: just some messages that we found from Pinterest. If you

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Speaker 1: just look up fits Bow on Pinterest, some of the

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Speaker 1: messages that you'll find include fit is not a destination,

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Speaker 1: is fuel. Now we're getting into dicey territory to be

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Speaker 1: eat in private, you wear in public. God, y'all do

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Speaker 1: a little more each day than you think you possibly can.

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Speaker 1: Which isn't that's not terrible. That's kind of something that

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Speaker 1: I think about in the workplace. This though it's always

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Speaker 1: too early to quit. No, it's not no, it's not. Um.

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Speaker 1: There was one I saw that is awful because okay,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk about how like everybody's body shaming each

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Speaker 1: new personal motto of nobody can win. You know, Like,

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Speaker 1: it's quotes like that that are supposed to somehow encourage

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Speaker 1: really terrible way. Well, one of the Fitzbo messages, for instance,

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Speaker 1: that I saw on Pinterest was be positive, patient and persistent.

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Speaker 1: That's great, That is totally fine. Okay, Um, but you

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Speaker 1: and I, Caroline are not the only ones who have

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Speaker 1: seen some red flags, some trouble spots. Um in fits Bow.

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Speaker 1: There's a blog called The Great Fitness Experiment, and the

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Speaker 1: blogger I believe your name was Charlotte called it thinspow

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Speaker 1: quotes and stuff, there's a lot of headless, faithless women

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Speaker 1: also when we talk about the headless, faceless woman, that's

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Speaker 1: same kind of objectification to sculpt our own bodies. That

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Speaker 1: is troublesome. Uh. Cynthia Bullick, who's PhD and director of

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Speaker 1: of The Woman in the Mirror How to stop confusing

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Speaker 1: what you look like with who you are, told Glamour

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Speaker 1: Magazine the yes fits bo is bad for you because

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Speaker 1: it's a bunch of quote thin, overly sexualized women with

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Speaker 1: unachievable bodies. And also, she points out, and this is

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Speaker 1: fits bo are often undergirded in shame if you aren't

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Speaker 1: exercising well. I'd also like to point out from that

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Speaker 1: there's no promising that these are even real images of

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Speaker 1: problems with you know, Americans being overweight? No, beast, don't

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Speaker 1: we need to exercise, Caroline? Come on? Um. Well, the

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Speaker 1: Berkeley highlights some of the hallmarks of compulsive exercise, which

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Speaker 1: it's not so much about being healthy, honestly, it's more about, like,

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Speaker 1: and you're never being satisfied with your physical achievements. And

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Speaker 1: an endless cycle of compulsive exercising towards nothing, because if

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Speaker 1: your own, possibly airbrush, possibly a model, possibly someone who

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Speaker 1: part of the drive that is, you know, driving compulsive exercising.

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Speaker 1: A study from the International Journal of Eating Disorders examined

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Speaker 1: obsessive compulsiveness, which is very there's a lot of overlap

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Speaker 1: that type a perfectionism, obsessive compulsiveness. And even though compulsive

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Speaker 1: I have had several different guynas over the years and

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Speaker 1: I think you just helped two people and hopefully you'll

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