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The idea that will not go away 16 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 3: the mileage tax. 17 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: The Associated press. 18 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 3: It a big story that it's already in effect in 19 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 3: a few states, and it's catching on because more and 20 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 3: more people are buying zero emission vehicles, they're not buying 21 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 3: gas and without gas taxes going to do about the roads. 22 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 3: So we need to track your mileage and charge you 23 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 3: for miles driven. Well, get the update in that story 24 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 3: in about thirty minutes. We begin with the scam that 25 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 3: goes on in Sacramento ever since the voters passed what 26 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 3: is called the On Time Budget Act. Basically, this is 27 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 3: during the days of their heads on a stick and 28 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 3: tax revolts, there was a lot of and there were 29 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 3: more Republicans in Sacramento. There was a lot of stalemates 30 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 3: covering deficits. So the voters eventually said that you can 31 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 3: not get paid until you pass a budget. Well no, 32 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 3: they got around that easy. They passed a budget and 33 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 3: they did by June fifteenth, but of course really nothing 34 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 3: in it. It's kind of phony. Let's bring on John 35 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 3: Coopaul from the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association. He's a the 36 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 3: president for more on this scam. John, welcome back to 37 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 3: the show. 38 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 4: Pleasure to be here, Ken. 39 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: How you doing okay? 40 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 3: So this is what they do, as you called it 41 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 3: in your latest column, the KOBOOKI Dance. 42 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: They go through the ritual of quote passing a budget. 43 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 4: That's right. Remember that that Prop twenty five was called 44 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 4: the On Time Budget Act, and it promised three things, 45 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 4: an on time budget, that the legislators wouldn't get paid, 46 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 4: and that there would be increased budget transparency. All three 47 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 4: of those things are bald face lies. Number one, they 48 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 4: did get paid, but it's not an on time budget 49 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 4: because the budget is still being negotiated as we speak. 50 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 4: In fact, the lobbyists just left. There was a hearing 51 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 4: room full of lobbyists ready to present, but they canceled 52 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 4: the hearings and so all the lobbyists now have been 53 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 4: cleared out of the room, and so all these negotiations 54 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 4: are behind closed doors, so we don't know what's going on. 55 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 4: But all the substantive work of this budget is being 56 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 4: hidden from California, and so they got paid, it's being 57 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 4: hidden and it's certainly not going to be on time because, 58 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 4: in addition to the kabuki dance that they're in the 59 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 4: middle of right now, there is no budget process because 60 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 4: the budget is now a three hundred and sixty five 61 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 4: day revolving wheel of budget bills, junior budget bills, trader bills, 62 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 4: all these kind of supplemental payments. So what was envisioned 63 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 4: back in the eighteen hundreds of having a budget and 64 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 4: a budget is important because a budget is a spending 65 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 4: plan for one year. We no longer have a spending plan. 66 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 4: We have this kind of a morphous blob that just 67 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 4: spends money as it comes in, and there's a lot 68 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 4: of contention over it, and it's complicated by the fact now, 69 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 4: of course, that we went from a ninety five billion 70 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 4: dollar surplus to what is now they believe about a 71 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 4: thirty two billion dollar deficit. So it's just it's kind 72 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 4: of a joke. If it weren't so tragic, and if 73 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 4: it didn't have such real world consequences, it would almost 74 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 4: be farcical. But it's really a shame to watch this. 75 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 4: And we said, we're a block from the capitol right 76 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 4: now and we're watching it very carefully. But everybody is 77 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 4: even shaking their head. Even liberal newspapers like the Sacramento 78 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 4: b which is all the editorial board is as very 79 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 4: far left progressives. Even they have said this is a 80 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 4: phony budget what they'd passed on June fifteenth. 81 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you this, Usually with a thirty 82 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 3: two billion dollar deficit, people be running around with their 83 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 3: hair on fire. The stories I'm reading today, John, they're 84 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 3: just trying to figure out. This would be the Democrats 85 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 3: in Gavin Newsom how to deal with his idea to 86 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 3: make infrastructure projects go faster. There doesn't see be any 87 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 3: discussion in these stories about what do you do with 88 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 3: a thirty two billion dollar deficit? 89 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: So how are they hiding that? 90 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 4: Well? Number one, the state still does have some reserves, 91 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 4: but that's not the problem. The problem is Number one, 92 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 4: he doesn't want to expedite infrastructure projects, which is generally 93 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 4: is something that we would generally support because it has 94 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 4: been the environmental laws, the sequel that has been the 95 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 4: roadblock for the construction of major infrastructure projects in the 96 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 4: state of California. We all understand that there needs to 97 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 4: be reforms there. We really wish he would waive sequel 98 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 4: requirements for needed projects rather than sports stadiums, you know, 99 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 4: because that's traditionally what's happened. You know, you have some 100 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 4: high wealth donors, political donors who say, hey, we need 101 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 4: to build a new baseball stadium or a new football stadium, 102 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 4: and they can wave the sequel requirements for that, but 103 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 4: they can't for dams, which we need surface storage for 104 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 4: water like the site's reservoir, and that thing has been 105 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 4: languishing forever. So you know, look, we need SEQL reform, 106 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 4: but we needed across the board. He's trying to get 107 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 4: some of that, but the environmentalists are complaining about that, 108 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 4: and they're also trying to leverage the desire to not 109 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 4: sustain a two billion dollar reduction in transit funds funding. 110 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 4: So the transit funding is a big deal. The tunnel 111 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 4: project what used to be the the Twin Tunnels project, 112 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 4: now it is a solo tunnel project to convey water 113 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 4: from northern California to southern California. So there's a few 114 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 4: sticking points here. But at the end of the day, 115 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 4: one of the things we're watching ken is the idea 116 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 4: that they're going to go out with a climate bond 117 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 4: for fifteen billion dollars. 118 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard this. You want to put this on 119 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: the ballot. 120 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 4: They want to put this in the ballot and in 121 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 4: new borrowing, in new borrowing. And by the way, the 122 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 4: details aren't clear on that either. So that's part of 123 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 4: the mix. Here is something about we all know how 124 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 4: bad bonds are because there twice is a expensive as 125 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,559 Speaker 4: the face value. So you got fifteen billion dollar bond 126 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 4: measure it generally requires thirty billion dollars of future tax 127 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 4: payer repayment. Okay, that's generally the rule of thumb. That 128 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 4: might be a little bit less than that, depending on 129 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 4: interest rates and stuff like that. But here's the real problem. 130 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 4: One of the things that in the things that the 131 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 4: Legislative Analyst looks at and we look at is California, 132 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 4: is what they call the debt service ratio. How much 133 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 4: of the state budget is being dedicated to debt repayment. 134 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 4: And generally we're safe if you're in the six or 135 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 4: seven percent range. Wall Street will accept that. But if 136 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 4: spending goes down, if the budget craters because of a recession, 137 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 4: which I believe we're going to have, then even if 138 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 4: you don't flow any new bonds, your debt service ratio 139 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 4: has to go up anyway, because you know, the percentage 140 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 4: of your budget to pay down debt gets higher just 141 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 4: because the budget is lower. So lots of problems here. 142 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 4: It's a clown show. It's just a clown show, and 143 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 4: California taxpayers are going to pay for it. 144 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 3: And revenues have been dropping off, I mean, obviously because 145 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 3: sometimes the markets aren't performing. We've only got the very 146 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 3: wealthy pay a lot of the taxes. How much of 147 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 3: that is going to continue to carry over, particularly with 148 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 3: some of the wealthier people leaving the state. 149 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 4: The exodus out of the state of California by high 150 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 4: wealth individuals is a real problem that everybody has recognized, 151 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 4: even Gavin Newsom. It's one of the reasons I think 152 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 4: he has been pretty cool to massive tax increases. 153 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: Like like the wealth tax. 154 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, the wealth tax really kind of stupid things. But 155 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 4: that drip drip of people leaving the state of California, 156 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 4: and it is high wealth individuals who are trying to 157 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 4: avoid paying that top marginal rate of thirteen point three 158 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 4: percent going to states like Nevada or Texas where there's 159 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 4: no income tax at all. That is a problem. And 160 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 4: the other problem is you've got you've got skilled workers 161 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 4: leaving the state of California as well, because cost of 162 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 4: living in California is the highest in the nation, when 163 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 4: cost of living at poverty rate is the highest in 164 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 4: the nation, when cost of living is taken into effect, 165 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 4: and the cost of living is just very, very high 166 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 4: in the state of California. 167 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 3: All right, Always a pleasure to talk to you, John Capol, 168 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,239 Speaker 3: President of the Howard Jarvis Tax Base Association. 169 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: You keep an eye on those budget talks. 170 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 4: Sure, sure will, and people can go to our website 171 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 4: at HJATA dot org. 172 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 3: All right, more coming up, your chance to win money 173 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 3: is next. The KFI Inflation Compensation Contest is back. Stand 174 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 3: by for the important keyword. Johnny Ken KFI AM six 175 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 3: forty Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 176 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 177 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 5: AM six forty. 178 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 3: Story I covered intensely last well about intensely mostly just Friday, 179 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 3: was whether or not the LA City Council was going 180 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 3: to suspend Current Price, who was facing ten felonies coming 181 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 3: out of the LA County DA's office for corruption. So 182 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 3: the committee that took this up, it's a three person committee. 183 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 3: Listen to this name the Los Angeles City Council Rules, 184 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 3: Elections and Intergovernmental Relations Committee, And as we reported late 185 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 3: in the show Friday. 186 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: From KFI News is Blake Trolley. They did nothing. 187 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 3: They're putting this off until August, and immediately they're not 188 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 3: suspending them. 189 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: They're not doing anything. 190 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 3: The three person committee would decide whether or not to 191 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 3: recommend the full council vote on suspending Current Price, and 192 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 3: they passed on doing anything, and they don't meet again 193 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 3: til August. This is June Price immediately put out of 194 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 3: statement thanking them. Well, yeah, because he's going to continue 195 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 3: to be paid. The city Controller, Kenneth Mahea says, if 196 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 3: he's suspended, I'm not paying him, So it's really about 197 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 3: the money. I mean, he's given up his posts on 198 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 3: the Los Angeles City Council, so he's not really in 199 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 3: charge of anything right now. So the whole thing is 200 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 3: kind of moot. But the key was whether or not 201 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 3: he gets any money to help him build towards his 202 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 3: defense fund. And by putting this off until August. And 203 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 3: again the reason for this is that the room was 204 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 3: full of activists who think the current price is innocent 205 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 3: until proven guilty. That's not the way it works according 206 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 3: to the city charter and much of past president. You 207 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 3: can suspend somebody facing serious felony charges like this, that's 208 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 3: generally what they do. But there's so much sensitivity here 209 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 3: to the community and the fact that representation and the 210 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 3: black population in LA City politics has been dwindling. Margredly 211 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 3: Thomas has already out the door, although I think he's 212 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 3: replaced by a black woman. There's just so much sensitivity 213 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 3: of this, so therefore, let's just not deal with this now. 214 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 3: And Paul Krekorian, who's the president of the City Council 215 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 3: and one of the three members on this committee is 216 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 3: known to not want to face any adversity, and he 217 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 3: basically just punted intol August. What's gonna change between now 218 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 3: in August. It's not gonna be a trial before then, 219 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 3: probably not gonna happen till who knows. 220 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: When next year, don't know. So nothing's really gonna change. 221 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 3: But they just put this off and maybe some of 222 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 3: the heat will die down and they'll probably come back 223 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 3: on August and put it off again. 224 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: Now. 225 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, La County Supervisor jenis Hahn, one of the five 226 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 3: dopes on that government body, announced last week that apparently. 227 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: If you drive in the Metro Express. 228 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 3: Lanes in Los Angeles County and I had one of 229 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 3: these things, John was very angry with me the day 230 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 3: he sought in my car. It's a transponder, so you 231 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 3: can use the express lanes and as a solo driver, 232 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 3: although you do have to pay. It's not free. These 233 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,599 Speaker 3: are the toll lanes. So the thing is if you 234 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 3: use the express lanes without a transponder, supposedly they'll take 235 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 3: a picture of your license plate and they will send 236 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 3: you not only you have to pay the toll, what 237 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 3: you could be fined twenty five dollars for the first 238 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 3: violation to more than three hundred bucks if you actually 239 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 3: get pulled over by a CHP officer. That doesn't happen 240 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 3: really much anymore. Most people are in no fear of this. 241 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 3: I see a lot of out of state people just 242 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 3: jump in that lane. It's like, really, what are you 243 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 3: going to do? So what she's doing here is she 244 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 3: wants to get rid of those penalties and she wants 245 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 3: to switch over to a pilot program where you can 246 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 3: travel in the express lanes without the transponder. What you 247 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 3: have to do is pay as you go. But the 248 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 3: part that I found a little interesting is that you're 249 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 3: going to pay the toll, but you're also going to 250 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 3: have to pay an eight dollars processing fee. Do you 251 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 3: really think people that can't be bothered with getting a transponder, 252 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 3: could be bothered with going online and or getting a 253 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 3: notice in the mail about their unpaid toll are going 254 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 3: to be happy when they see an extra eight dollars 255 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 3: tacked on. Granted it's a lot less than what you 256 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 3: could have paid in the penalties, and they're putting their 257 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 3: their couching this as we've eliminated the crime. It's no 258 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 3: longer a crime to drive in the toll lanes without 259 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 3: a transponder. But honestly, and that's one of the things 260 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 3: janis Han said, Well, you know, some people just didn't 261 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 3: feel the need to go get a tran How hard 262 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 3: is it to get a transponder? That's very easy, stupid. 263 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 3: The toll system will photograph the vehicle's license plate, search 264 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 3: for your mailing address, then they'll mail you a notice 265 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 3: the payment instructions for the toll amount and the eight 266 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 3: dollars fee. Now, allegedly, if you ignore that, and this 267 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 3: is the big part, they can keyword ken ask the 268 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 3: DMV to put a holder a lean your registration. Uh 269 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 3: huh do you think they're going to do that? 270 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 4: No? 271 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 3: No, And she's already saying that she is accepting this 272 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 3: for now. She doesn't like the eight dollars processing fee, 273 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 3: but at least it's lower than the penalty was before. 274 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 3: It shouldn't be a crime to drive on the freeway. Well, 275 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 3: she's right about that, But dissolution, everybody's just gonna I'll 276 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 3: bet you everybody just jumps into the into the toll lanes. Now, 277 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 3: people without transponders, single drivers, they don't care and look 278 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 3: at you. 279 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: Have John who rides the carpool lane every single day 280 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: by himself, never gets hot. 281 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 3: No, no, I have you ever have you seen CHP 282 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 3: pulling anybody over from that? 283 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 6: Nope. 284 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 3: I have to say I see a lot less police 285 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 3: on the roads than I did before the pandemic. I 286 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 3: feel like that just changed everything. I don't know whether 287 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 3: or not it's just the whole rollback in police in general, 288 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 3: but I see a lot less of them anywhere I go, 289 00:15:54,200 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 3: anywhere I drive, says here, switchable transponders are the only 290 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 3: way for customers to declare themselves, declare themselves as high 291 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 3: occupancy vehicles if they want to travel toll free in 292 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 3: the express lanes. But she's happy about this. But she says, 293 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 3: we will revisit the eight dollar processing fee, probably in 294 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 3: the future. But I'd be curious to see the stats, 295 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 3: like a year from now, as to whether or not 296 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 3: people are actually paying these tolls plus these eight dollar 297 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 3: processing fee. I kind of doubt it all right, more 298 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 3: coming up and plus people have those things that block 299 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 3: the cameras from picking up their plates and Johnny Ken, 300 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 3: oh yeah, coming up next. 301 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: It won't go away. 302 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 3: A mileage tax for your driving isn't that nice? Johnny 303 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 3: KENKFI AM six forty live everywhere the iHeartRadio app. 304 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 305 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 5: AM six forty. 306 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: Well, we've been talking about cars. 307 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 3: I just talked about the decision in La County that 308 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 3: you don't need to transponder anymore to drive in the 309 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 3: toll lanes they're on in the one, ten and the 310 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 3: ten Freeway. You just have to pay the toll at 311 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 3: plus an eight dollars processing fee. But anyway, we now 312 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 3: move over to an oldie but a goodie on the 313 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 3: John and Ken Show, and that's the mileage tax. The 314 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 3: Associated President is story over the weekend that as more 315 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 3: and more people buy electric vehicles, says, your sales are 316 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 3: now up to almost five percent in twenty twenty one. Well, 317 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 3: they won't be a stopping for gas and paying the 318 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 3: gas tax, which is sucked up by the politicians to 319 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 3: basically waste on so many different things, not the roads 320 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 3: as you can see in California. To talk about what's 321 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 3: going on in California with the idea of a mileage tax, 322 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 3: we're going to welcome back to the show. Jay Bieber 323 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 3: was Safer Streets la and also now director of policy 324 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 3: and Research for the National Motorists Association. Oh he's not here, Okay, 325 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 3: all right, then I'll explain more of the story. It 326 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,160 Speaker 3: says here the federal government is about to pilot its 327 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 3: own programs, So there might be a federal mileage tax too, 328 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 3: funded by one hundred and twenty five million dollars from 329 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 3: an infrastructure measure that Joe Biden signed back in November 330 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 3: of twenty twenty one. It says here many states of 331 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 3: implemented stopgap measures such as mileage based user fees, distance 332 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 3: based fees. 333 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: Or vehicle miles travel taxes. 334 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 3: Videos circulating on social media service TikTok have shown how 335 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 3: people can start Kia and Hundai models by using only 336 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 3: a screwdriver. 337 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: Or USB cable. 338 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 3: But it talks about how lawmakers passed a bill last 339 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 3: month that would have begun early steps towards a program 340 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 3: by allowing collection of motorists O dometer readings on a 341 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 3: voluntary basis. And as I mentioned a little bit earlier, Oregon, Utah, 342 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 3: and Virginia are already generating some revenue from road uses charges. 343 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 3: All right, let's get Jay on the show. Jay, how 344 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 3: are you? 345 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 7: I'm great. How are you doing all right? 346 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 3: Your director of policy and research for the National Motorist Association. 347 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: Is that new? 348 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 7: That is new as of this year? 349 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 6: Yeah? 350 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 3: Well, good for you. So what can you tell us 351 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 3: about the dreaded mileage tax? 352 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 7: Well, well, first of all, I think I think the 353 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 7: thing we should all really understand first of all is 354 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 7: that it's probably not going to replace the gas tax. 355 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 7: They will probably replace, they will probably layer this on 356 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 7: top of it, because no government ever wants to give 357 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 7: up any revenue. 358 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 6: So, uh so, that's well, if that were If that's. 359 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 3: True, let me ask you that though, let me stop 360 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 3: you there. If that's true, would people who actually have 361 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 3: to still buy gas and don't drive an EV would 362 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 3: they pay a little less mileage tax? Because that seems unbalanced. 363 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 7: Well, I think it's going to be unbalanced no matter 364 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 7: what happens. But my guess is it's just going to 365 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 7: be a tax on them on the amount that you drive, 366 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 7: plus whatever you pay it the pump. I don't think 367 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 7: they're going to give you any credit for anything. I mean, 368 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 7: they claim it's to replace the gas tax, but you know, 369 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 7: when when has the government ever given up any amount 370 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 7: of revenue that they're getting. 371 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, they'll always be a gas tax. 372 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 7: You're right, right, right, exactly exactly. But understand that this 373 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 7: is less about generating revenue to replace the gas tax 374 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 7: or to you know, for transportation or fixing roads, is 375 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 7: what it's supposed to be. Of course, most of the 376 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 7: money right now for the gas tax and transportation is 377 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 7: diverted for things other than roadways. It's usually for transit 378 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 7: or bike lanes or you know, things of that nature. 379 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 7: But so this is really about social engineering. It's really 380 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 7: about a way to penalize you for driving your car 381 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 7: too much. And there's been a lot of proposals around 382 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,719 Speaker 7: the country for different versions of this. There's a federal 383 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 7: version of it, there's a different states have versions of it, 384 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 7: and a lot of what we're seeing out there are 385 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 7: things that are not just sort of a flat rate 386 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 7: for however many miles you drive, you know, a rate 387 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 7: per mile. One of the proposals is to tier the rates, 388 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 7: so for example, you'll get a certain allotment at a 389 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 7: lower amount, and then you'd get charged if you drive 390 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 7: too much whoever they decide is too much, then you 391 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 7: would get charged more for that next tier than more 392 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 7: for even the next tier, kind of like they do 393 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 7: with our electric rates right now. So you know, it's 394 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 7: a way to discourage you from driving your car. There's 395 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 7: another proposal. I know this is true in Michigan. I 396 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 7: don't know whether it's part of you know, California's version 397 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 7: of this, but I'm sure it will be at some point, 398 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 7: which would be that they would charge you a higher 399 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 7: rate if they determined that your trip could have been 400 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 7: taken using another form of transportation, like if you could 401 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 7: have taken that trip using a bus or a train, 402 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 7: or if you could have you know, driven written a bicycle, 403 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 7: or if you could have walked. They're going to charge 404 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 7: you more for that trip than they would for other 405 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 7: kinds of trips. 406 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: So actually have the programming to figure that out. 407 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I mean it's it's part. I mean, it's 408 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 7: part of the whole algorithm of you know, like where 409 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 7: you're driving. I mean, you can imagine the massive amount 410 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 7: of surveillance it's going to be required for this kind 411 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 7: of thing where they're going to I mean, they're going 412 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 7: to have to figure out, you know, where you drove, 413 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 7: you know, when you drove there, whether there was some 414 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 7: other form you could have taken and then you know, 415 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 7: they they want to charge people with you know, higher 416 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 7: value vehicles more money promile than people who they think 417 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 7: have less money. 418 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 3: That's what I thought I was going to ask you 419 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 3: if there's going to be some tiered system based on 420 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 3: people's incomes. 421 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 7: Most most likely, again this is all to be worked out, 422 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 7: but you know, this is what they want to do. 423 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 7: But the cost of collection of this, by the way, 424 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 7: is more expensive than the cost of collection for the 425 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 7: gas tax. So a portion of whatever they're going to 426 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 7: be collecting goes to the mechanism for collecting it and 427 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 7: their surveillance and all of this kind of thing. So 428 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 7: some of that money will just go to overhead, So 429 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 7: we'll lose money right off, right off the bat. 430 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 3: So they're going to be some sort of device in 431 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 3: a way to track your mileage is still the right 432 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 3: thing they need. 433 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 7: Right exactly exactly. And if they were just going to 434 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 7: just a complete flat, flat rate and they could just 435 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 7: you know, yours, whether you you know, when you do 436 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 7: your registration or your vehicle or or inspection of your vehicle, 437 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 7: you know, they would check your O dometer, you know, 438 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 7: then they wouldn't need much invasiveness. But anything else beyond 439 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 7: that will require a lot of invasiveness and just another 440 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 7: just think about this. Let's say you live in California, 441 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 7: and California has you know, a rate per mile that's 442 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 7: different than other states. And let's say you do the 443 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 7: majority of your driving for in a particular year outside 444 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 7: the state. And let's say you take a trip across 445 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 7: the country and back again. It's like six thousand miles plus, Right, 446 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 7: that's driven out of state. You're still going to get 447 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 7: charged to California ran and let unless they know that 448 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 7: you drove somewhere else, right, and then who gets that money? 449 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 7: The whole thing is insane. If you if you go 450 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 7: to Colorado and you buy gas there, you're paying the 451 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 7: gas tax in Colorado. But this form of taxation is 452 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 7: a form of taxation which is going to have to 453 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 7: surveil you and know where you were if they want 454 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,959 Speaker 7: to somehow give the money to another state because you've 455 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 7: broken another state. I mean, it's a huge, massive government, 456 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 7: new government program. And I don't know if anybody thinks 457 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 7: it's a good idea to give the government more taxing power. 458 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 3: They by the way, so this could be a federal 459 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 3: mileage tax and a California mileage. 460 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 6: Tax could be two could be two wow, federal because 461 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 6: right now we do right now we do pay a 462 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 6: federal gas tax and we pay a stake. 463 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 4: Are we do. 464 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 7: So they have to have a way of getting their 465 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 7: pound of flesh. So so somehow, somehow they're going to 466 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 7: get you well, one way or the other. But really 467 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 7: this is about I understand, it's not really about the money, 468 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 7: is much. I mean, it's about the money, of course, 469 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 7: but it's also about social engineering and trying to discourage 470 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 7: you from driving and and and by and it'll be 471 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 7: much easier yer too, you know, monkey with the rates 472 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 7: on this kind of thing. Then with the gas tax. 473 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,719 Speaker 7: So you know, with the gas tax, you go to 474 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 7: the pump, you know, every time you go to the pump, 475 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 7: you see that number. With this, you might not see 476 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 7: it till the end of the year. You might not 477 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 7: you know, it might be all you know, mixed up 478 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 7: with other things, maybe with your tax return or something, 479 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 7: you know, so you may not see it as as overtly. 480 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 7: So it's an easy way to hide it to some extent, 481 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 7: but also to penalize you for after the fact for 482 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 7: driving too much. 483 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 3: Well, do they have an argument though, because they are 484 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 3: losing money because the people aren't buying gas with evs, 485 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 3: so they're not grabbing that money at the pump. 486 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 7: It's a very small percentage. Now, of course, California has 487 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 7: this idiotic idea that that everyone's going to drive an 488 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 7: EV even though we don't have the infrastructure for it, 489 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 7: and and and you know, they're going to force everybody 490 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,959 Speaker 7: into an electric vehicle. There's nothing wrong with electric vehicles, 491 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 7: of course, but they don't have the the the the 492 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 7: range that you would need, like for examples that I 493 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 7: was saying about that across the country. Oh yeah, vehicle, 494 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 7: it's almost impossible to do you know, a couple of 495 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 7: days in a row of a of a road trip, right, 496 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 7: and so so you have to stop, you know, a 497 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 7: half hour an hour just to recharge your vehicle every 498 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 7: two hundred miles or so. I mean, that would make 499 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 7: it very difficult to do a reasonable road trip. So so 500 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 7: you know, electric vehicles have their drug backs. But the 501 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 7: other thing is that electric vehicles overall are actually worse 502 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 7: for the environment than than a regular internal combustion engine. 503 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 7: I mean, you don't see it, you see it differently 504 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 7: at the exhaust pipe, but you don't see it, right. 505 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 3: Everything that goes into making the battery and everything right 506 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 3: making the battle. 507 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 7: And then think about the fact that like a regular 508 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,239 Speaker 7: look I have, I have one of my cars is 509 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 7: soon to be a classic as a ninety four Toyota Selica. 510 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 4: Right. 511 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 7: Okay, long ago that battery, if that was a battery vehicle, 512 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 7: that battery would have been done, the car would have 513 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 7: been worthless. But you know, I've been able to maintain 514 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 7: it and keep it keep it running, So we'll have 515 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 7: a lot more turnover in cars too. So think about 516 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 7: all the steel and all the wasted energy and production 517 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 7: of taking going into vehicles which will then no longer 518 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 7: have any value once that battery goes bad. And the 519 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 7: cost of replacing that battery maybe is more or not 520 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 7: not that much less than just getting a new one, 521 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 7: and so there'll be much less of a secondary car market, 522 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 7: so the cost of cars will go up. I mean, 523 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 7: this is the whole thing is going to be a 524 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 7: huge hit, especially for the people who don't have that 525 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 7: much money. I mean, think about you know, people that 526 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 7: are just struggling to get by, they're struggling to pay 527 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 7: their rent. I mean, now they have a car that 528 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 7: maybe they can buy, you know, an older vehicle and 529 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 7: it doesn't cost them that much and and you know 530 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 7: they it. You know, maybe it doesn't get as great 531 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 7: gas mileage as a you know, a hybrid or something 532 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 7: like that, but you know, they can generally afford it 533 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 7: now and then they can get by and they get 534 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 7: to work. But the cost of a EV is going 535 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 7: to be more, and the cost of maintaining that vehicle 536 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 7: over the long term, once those batteries start going, is 537 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 7: going to be a lot more. 538 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 3: All right, Jay, thank you so much for talking to 539 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 3: me once again, and good go with your new position. 540 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 7: Thank you appreciate it, all right. 541 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 3: Ja Bieber Safer Street to LA also director of Policy 542 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 3: and Research for the National Motorists Association motorists dot org. 543 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 3: More coming up, John and KENKFI AM six forty Live everywhere. 544 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: It's the iHeartRadio app. 545 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 546 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 5: AM six forty. 547 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 3: Well, we're gonna play a quick bit of audio and 548 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 3: then give another car story which is irritating. But this 549 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 3: apparently curred a the be Et Black Entertainment Awards. It 550 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 3: was a tribute to Tina Turner seventy nine year old 551 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 3: Patty LaBelle had a little trouble with the lyrics to 552 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 3: one of Tina's songs. 553 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: Here is the audio. 554 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 8: Whatever, I can't see the words. I don't know. 555 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: We gotta make a bigger on the monitor. 556 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 7: Then's karaoke, right, Oh. 557 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 3: Well, that kind of hurts the tribute when you don't 558 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 3: know believe this song anyway? All right, here is your 559 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 3: Your your car update. We were just talking about a 560 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 3: possible mileage tax and still being talked about. Jabber, who 561 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 3: knows all this stuff, says it's pretty complicated and could 562 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 3: be a ways off, but they're gonna come after you 563 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 3: for a gas tax in a mileage tax because they 564 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 3: don't like you drive in your car period, whether it's 565 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 3: an evy or not. The other story that's floating around 566 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 3: is the end of the drive through. Think about that. 567 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 3: Drive throughs account for seventy percent of sales or more 568 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 3: at many leading chains like McDonald's. But the big urban 569 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 3: planner is in this. CNA say that it is just 570 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 3: not good for the climate as the car is idle, 571 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 3: and this I love it discourages walking in public transit 572 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 3: use and visits to neighborhood businesses. They're also involved in 573 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 3: accidents with pedestrian, cyclists and other cars and contradict the 574 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 3: environment and liveability goals of many communities. Now there already 575 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 3: are some places in the country that do not allow 576 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 3: drive throughs. In fact, places that I visit and live 577 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 3: they don't have. In some areas of town, they don't 578 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 3: have drive throughs because usually it's because the neighbors put 579 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 3: up a stink. I think they were planning a Starbucks 580 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 3: to drive through not far from me, and I read 581 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 3: in the local paper that the neighbors just showed up 582 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 3: and forced because they didn't want cars, noise of cars, 583 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 3: car radios, people honking horns. If you ever go to 584 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 3: a drive through, every now and then you see a 585 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 3: sign that you please be conscientious of our neighbors and 586 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 3: don't play any loud music and don't honk your horn. 587 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,479 Speaker 3: But this one i'd not seen before. Drive throughs cause 588 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 3: a lot of pedestrian and bicyclist deaths. That that angle 589 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 3: is new to me. But that's usually how they get 590 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 3: you the safety card, by saying we're going to save 591 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 3: lives by banning drive throughs. Really, what they don't like 592 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 3: is you in your car and your laziness of sitting there. 593 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 3: But drive throughs really took off during the pandemic because 594 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 3: you know, people didn't want to go inside and order 595 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 3: from the counter and then stand there waiting for the 596 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 3: food and idling around. The idea was that you could, 597 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 3: you know, guard drive through and somebody in a mask 598 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 3: or just hand to your burger. 599 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: And you go on. 600 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 3: So they actually increased in number during the pandemic. So 601 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 3: that's why the urban planners are now saying. 602 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: Well, we need to stop this. 603 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 3: It's not good for our climate consciousness, good for the environment. 604 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 3: So yeah, a number of chains actually yeah, Shakeshack and 605 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 3: Sweet Green opened their first drive through locations during the pandemic, 606 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 3: while Taco Bell and Chipotle opened stores that served drive 607 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 3: through customers exclusively. And that's you Also, they can save 608 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 3: money too, because you're not lingering in the restaurant. You 609 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 3: have to deal with as many people to counter this 610 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 3: a car or two at a time through the drive through. 611 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 3: So that's a really uh it was a really great 612 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 3: convenient way. And of course I think California where else, 613 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 3: led the country and starting the whole drive through movement. 614 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: All right, Tim Conway. 615 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 2: Joineah, Hey, now you know I used to live in 616 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 2: in a part of the valley. They're threatening to put 617 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 2: out a Starbucks drive through. It was it was a 618 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 2: regular Starbucks and then they're going to make it a 619 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 2: drive through. And then they stopped and they pay and 620 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 2: they said they're not going to anymore. 621 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 8: Oh like what happened? 622 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 2: They said one of the neighbors was absolutely serious that 623 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 2: he would burn it to the ground. 624 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: Oh well maybe you want to take that seriously. 625 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 8: Yes, right, that's that's how you get action in this 626 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 8: town of this. 627 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: You know, shouldn't he be arrested for he. 628 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 2: Was arrested, Yes, yes, And guess what, he was arrested 629 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 2: and they didn't build the Starbucks but that But you 630 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 2: know what, these like the old days with the unions, 631 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 2: remember the old you know what was it the United 632 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 2: Auto Workers. 633 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 8: When they went on strike. 634 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 2: You knew they were on strike strike, Yes, and they 635 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 2: got their way because they carried a very heavy hand. 636 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 4: You know. 637 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 8: These the new guys are just oh I got a 638 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 8: stick and. 639 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: I signed on it. Do you see? 640 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 3: The Starbucks people went on strike too because there wasn't 641 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 3: enough pride stuff. But it was taken away from the store, 642 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 3: Is that right, Pride decorations? 643 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 8: Yeah, I had a big beef here with Robin Bird Lucci. 644 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 2: I didn't think there was enough pride that what you said, 645 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 2: yes and they brought I was loud, Ken, I was 646 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 2: loud and they brought all of it back. 647 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: So that's nice. 648 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,959 Speaker 2: Yes, I single handedly pulled that off. Also, the amber 649 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 2: alert was canceled. There was an amber alert. Do you 650 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 2: remember Larry King? Do you remember when somebody asked Larry 651 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 2: King what he thought the origin of the amber alert was? 652 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: Oh, I don't remember that, and he said. 653 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 8: Oh, it's got to be those amber colored bulbs on 654 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 8: the freeway is Oh that's. 655 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: Isn't that great? Oh? Poor God, isn't that great? 656 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 8: Amber colored bubs? 657 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 4: God almighty? 658 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,959 Speaker 2: And the real quickly, Ken, when you're in a grocery store, 659 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 2: home depot, lows, wherever you go, and you see somebody stealing, 660 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 2: what's your move? 661 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 8: What do you do? 662 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 4: But me? 663 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 1: I usually nothing. 664 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 2: I know, I'm the same way I saw it last time. 665 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 2: I'm not going to call him out on it, right, look, 666 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 2: And I went a step further. 667 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 8: But then I thought, wait a minute. 668 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: Could tell somebody that works there, maybe. 669 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I end up doing, you know, But 670 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 2: that doesn't do anything. But I followed the guy out 671 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,720 Speaker 2: of the parking lot, did yes, And then I thought, 672 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 2: wait a minute, so my daughter's going to grow up 673 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 2: without a father because you know, somebody took you know, 674 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:52,280 Speaker 2: just take. 675 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 1: A picture of his license to police or something. 676 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 2: I think those guys have fake plates. I don't know 677 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 2: about you, but I think that's I've never ripped off 678 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 2: his store. The first thing I'm gonna do is cover 679 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 2: my plate. 680 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: Then it's just, yeah, this is a smart right. You 681 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: avoid tolls, you avoid arrested. That's right. That's it's always 682 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: a good strategy to cover your plates. All right, Big dog, 683 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: Big Dog. 684 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 3: With your big show coming up with Codway Junior, CAFI 685 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 3: AM six forty Michael Krozer, as it is now, Hey, 686 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 3: you've been listening to the John and Ken Show. You 687 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 3: can always hear us live on kf I AM six 688 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 3: forty one pm to four pm every Monday through Friday, 689 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 3: and of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.