1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 2: I'm welcome to Steffone never told you a production of iHeartRadio, 3 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: and today we are here with another edition of book Club. 4 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: Spoilers because this is from twenty nineteen, and also content 5 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: warning for discussion of trauma, sexual assault violence. We're not 6 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 2: going to go too into detail, but it will be there. 7 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 2: Also say, this is weirdly similar to the plot of 8 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: Blink Twice, the movie that just came out. Oh really, 9 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah. Also for horror fans, as we 10 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: are moving into Halloween time, you all know I love 11 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: Silent Hill. This is I could be wrong, but I'm 12 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 2: very very certain that I'm not. That this is slightly 13 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 2: inspired by, at least slightly what inspires out Hill, which 14 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 2: is Centralia, Pennsylvania, which is a town where I'm still there, 15 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 2: where coal mines are just burning from underneath and so 16 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: there's like smoke and it's really creepy and no one 17 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 2: lives there and you can look it up. It's freaky. 18 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: But Okay, Today we're talking about the twenty nineteen graphic 19 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 2: novel The Lolo Woods, Issues one through six, written by 20 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 2: Carmen Maria Machado and with art by Dannye with Tamara Bonvillain, 21 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: the colorist, Sam wolf Connelly who's the cover artist, and 22 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: Steve WANs who is the letterer. It is a horror, 23 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: coming of age story about trauma and it's lasting impacts. 24 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: It really pulls you in. It's compelling, it's horrifying, it's poignant, 25 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: and it's beautifully illustrate, which we'll talk about later. I 26 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: really loved it, and this was funny because you had 27 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 2: suggested several things and I immediately was like, I've been 28 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: wanting to read something from this author, right we started 29 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 2: doing this, yes, which. 30 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: Was perfect timing. It popped up and I was like, huh, 31 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: because we were also talking about we wanted to do 32 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: some type of comics from by a woman, and not 33 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: realizing until I was like, oh, this is a DC 34 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: World comic and I was like, that's really really really 35 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: really cool. And I was like, yeah, this like kind 36 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,839 Speaker 1: of covers all the things, including the fact that yes, 37 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: we're jumping into fall that means spooky season for us all. 38 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: And so this was almost perfect. I will say had 39 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: no idea what this was about, just threw it out 40 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: there and then I was like, oh, not what, I 41 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: don't know what I was expecting. I think I had 42 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: little to no expectation. But then like I was like, okay, yeah, 43 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: it's definitely didn't know how that's where we were. This 44 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: is where we were going. 45 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, like we said before we started recording, it goes. 46 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 2: It goes to a lot of places. But I really 47 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: loved it. So I'm just gonna run through the plot, Samantha. Yes, 48 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: all right, So teen best friends Elladora or Elle and 49 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 2: Octavia or V, residents of the Pennsylvania town shudder to think, 50 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 2: wake up in a movie theater, not remembering watching the movie. 51 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 2: When they confront Josh, the guy works there, he actually 52 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 2: weird in like a complete jerk about it. Elle gives 53 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: V a ride home on her bike, which is something 54 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 2: that they often do, and when they crash after seeing 55 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: a menacing looking bunny. They're then attacked by what appears 56 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: to be a skinless zombie. They escape, discussing next actions, 57 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: but ultimately kind of disagree on what to do next. 58 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: Elle thinks that they should tell someone. V thinks that 59 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: they should just move on. I kind of love how 60 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: they were like, oh, you're not that out of the ordinary. 61 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: But the thing that's one of the things that shocked me. 62 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: I was like, what just happen? Yeah, why are they 63 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: acting normal? There was a bunny, but it was a 64 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: menacing bunny that like huh yeah. 65 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: It was very like, well, what should we do about 66 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 2: this zombie? And then we get a brief history of 67 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 2: the town, which might explain some of their blaseiness. So 68 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 2: for generations, people have gotten sick from the local mining industry. 69 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: The company that runs that industry ignores that they've been 70 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: replacing sick or unwilling workers. They've been buying up houses 71 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 2: so that they can expand their industry. Then things seem 72 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 2: to collapse and the mines catch on fire. It left 73 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: a lasting impact on the town. People are sick, the 74 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 2: town is damaged, and it seems there is this like 75 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 2: hell void where monsters come out and people just sort 76 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: of roll with it or don't talk about it. We 77 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 2: later learned that V and l met fighting off one 78 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 2: of these zombie and that once while they were camping 79 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: there as kids, they promised to always believe each other. Anyway, 80 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: v is really trying to get out of the town, 81 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 2: eagerly awaiting college acceptance letters, while Elle doesn't think that 82 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 2: there's any way that she can afford to go to 83 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 2: get out. Meanwhile, V is really into someone, a girl 84 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 2: named Jessica, and they share an intimate night together. When 85 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: V wakes up in the middle of the night, Jessica 86 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 2: has a huge void in her torso like a huge void. 87 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 2: V and L confront Josh again, who's just generally creepy. 88 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: But let's slip that they probably went to heaven on 89 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: Earth in this time that they can't remember what happened 90 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: and all but abandoned strip club. 91 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. It is like a nice, actual club 92 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: for rich people. The way they describe it, it's only 93 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: rich people would go there, So it wasn't necessarily a 94 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: strip club. That's what it seemed to me. 95 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: Yeah it was, but it was like it's a weird 96 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 2: place people. 97 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: Go now that now, yeah, that became like a party den. 98 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 2: So L and V decide to investigate, and in doing so, 99 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 2: they passed through a graveyard dedicated to those who have 100 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: died in service to the town or by suicide. While 101 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 2: exploring the old club, V discovers glowing blue mushrooms and 102 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 2: pocket some of them. There is a party going on 103 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 2: when they're there, but things just seem off about it. 104 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 2: V and L get into a big fight about college, 105 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 2: all the strange stuff going on, whether or not they 106 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 2: should try to get to the bottom of it, and 107 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 2: L reveals that that night after the theater her underwear 108 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 2: was inside out. V walks off furious about all of this. 109 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: The next day, she goes to visit the local Witch, 110 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 2: which was a real twist I wasn't expected, who is 111 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 2: described as a local fixture similar to like a postman. 112 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 2: She looks like a little girl, but in fact is 113 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 2: quite old. She makes a concoction that she says can 114 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: smooth out the frayed edges of the forgotten memories, which 115 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,239 Speaker 2: Vee takes. Unsure if she'll use it, she just takes 116 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 2: it and pockets it. The witch takes interest in the 117 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: mushroom sample that V collected. Meanwhile, Elle goes to the 118 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 2: park where she and V met with her dog Pearl, 119 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: and is attacked by another of the zombies. Her injuries 120 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: seem to mirror inexplicably on V. She kind of see 121 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 2: this through contrasting panels in the comic. Elle and Pearl escape, 122 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 2: while V goes to visit Jessica, who shows her the 123 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 2: bedridden body of her mother, who looks like she's transforming 124 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 2: into something else not good. Jessica tells the whole story 125 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: of how her mom would just disappear when she was 126 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: a kid until she got Jessica into the beauty pageant circuit. 127 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: She later told Jessica that she was turning into a 128 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 2: void and one day Jessica would too, especially if she 129 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: felt too big of emotions, like after their first time together. 130 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: After Jessica and V's first time together, and this leads 131 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 2: to them having sex, which el across town seems to 132 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: feel something of or she just happens to be masturbating 133 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 2: at the same time. 134 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. 135 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 2: It's mirrored, so I feel like it was saying that 136 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 2: they're they're feeling each other's emotions somehow, Elle and V makeup. 137 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: V comes over to Elle's house to have dinner. The 138 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 2: house is attacked and Elle's dad is attacked and taken 139 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: to the hospital. They go back to visit the Witch, 140 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: who opens up about her own past. When she was 141 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 2: actually young, the foreman of the local sanatorium convinced her 142 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 2: to come with him to visit the facility, trying to 143 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 2: get her to drink water that flowed in a cistern 144 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: there and she screamed and a woman intervened. The foreman 145 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: was arrested and the girls was confined to a few 146 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: months in the sanatorium, and there Circe, the woman who 147 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: rescued her, a trans woman who was there because she 148 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: wore something quote questionable, took her under her wing. Circe 149 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: called herself a witch and told the girl to never 150 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 2: drink the water, that it makes you forget. The doctors 151 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 2: and nurses push it, they were like it heals you, 152 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: but yeah, Circe and the girl started to do experiments 153 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: to reverse it, and eventually they returned to the girl's home, 154 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 2: Circe calling herself the girl's aunt. They experimented until they 155 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 2: found a way to return the girl's memories, and it 156 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: turned out the foreman had been visiting her for a 157 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: very long time and it is heavily implied sexually assaulting her. 158 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 2: They figured out how to still the blue mushrooms to 159 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 2: bring people's memories back, but then men came and tortured 160 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: and killed Circe. The men started to become sloppy, not 161 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 2: returning women to where they found them before they drugged them. 162 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: So that was part of the Oh when you hit 163 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 2: puberty you'll just wake up in a church parking lot. 164 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: The witch was understandably furious about this, and to dispel 165 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 2: for men who had transgressed to go beneath the earth, 166 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 2: but it sort of backfired, and it bought the fire 167 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: up through the ground. Meanwhile, a word remembering would break 168 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 2: those who had suffered. The witch tried to send the 169 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 2: women away, but turned them into quote half things, half rabbit, 170 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 2: half deer, so the menacing rabbit from earlier. One of 171 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 2: those V is furious the witch took away their choice, 172 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 2: and she gives the witch gives V the mushroom sample back. 173 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 2: V and L learned that Jessica is that heaven on earth, 174 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 2: and they go to help her. When they get there, 175 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: Jessica has obviously been assaulted, but is dazed and doesn't 176 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: remember anything. Josh is there and reveals that V and 177 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 2: L quote drink deeply on that night in the theater, 178 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 2: some of the zombies show up, attacking the women, but 179 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 2: they fight back, as do some of the women monsters. 180 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: Elle eats one of the mushrooms, bringing back her memories. 181 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 2: She then asked Jessica if she wants to remember, and 182 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 2: when Jessica consents, feeds Jessica a mushroom. As the memories 183 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 2: come back, Jessica screams and her body turns into a void, 184 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 2: swallowing up some of the men and zombies inside it. 185 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 2: V and LL gather a bunch of the mushrooms and 186 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 2: offer women a choice. Drink me to forget, eat me 187 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: the mushrooms to remember, very Alice. In Wonderland, people make 188 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 2: different choices. V gets into college. LL ask you what 189 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: she's going to do, remember or forget. It's unclear what 190 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 2: she chooses in the end, but they hold each other 191 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 2: in bed and they say that they love each other, 192 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 2: and that's how it ends. Yeah, so it definitely glows places. 193 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 2: I really liked it though. 194 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: I really liked them. 195 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 3: So themes. 196 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 2: Obviously often when we do these, coming of age was 197 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 2: a big one, right because this was a time when 198 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 2: they're talking about going to college or not going to 199 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 2: college and what that will look like. I did notice 200 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 2: Elle had like a favorite teacher and she her name 201 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: was on one of the greats at the like people 202 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 2: who died in service to the town or by suicide. 203 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: Graves her full name or her last name, her name. 204 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 2: I wonder if people, I don't know, if it was her, 205 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 2: but I noticed her name was on one of the graves. Yeah, 206 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 2: but having them kind of talk about that, because that 207 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 2: is one of the one of the scary parts about 208 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 2: going to college is when you have a really good 209 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 2: friend and you know you might go on separate paths, right, 210 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 2: and that might be you might not stay in touch, 211 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 2: your friendship might change or disappear. So having that very 212 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 2: clear dichotomy of v wanting to get out of this 213 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 2: town and EL being like, well I can't though, so 214 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 2: they might have to split, right, go on different paths. 215 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 2: I also appreciated that they've talked about the Awakening the 216 00:13:54,640 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 2: book because I read that in high school too, right, 217 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 2: I feel like so many of us did, And I 218 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 2: was just nodding my head. But I remember in my 219 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 2: class we had an assignment where we had to write 220 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 2: whether we thought the main character died at the end 221 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 2: by suicide or she died because she just swam too 222 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 2: far and then was too tired. So we had to 223 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: write essays about that. So oh yeah, oh. 224 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: The legend is that, like what's stuck in most people 225 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: will reference is like, yeah, I'm gonna go take myself, 226 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go for swim, like and implying that that means, yeah, 227 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: you're gonna die by suicide, So that's interesting. Yeah. 228 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, she had a bunch of she had a bunch 229 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 2: of points that were on either side of the argument. 230 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 2: So I can't remember which I said, but I can 231 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 2: see either. I can see either and and and and 232 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 2: that whole argument too, was just class because obviously Elle 233 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 2: was saying she couldn't leave because she couldn't afford to leave, right, 234 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 2: she couldn't afford to go to college. And just a note, 235 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 2: there was a lot of pop culture things that I 236 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 2: liked in the background. There was some X file stuff, 237 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 2: sailor Moon stuff. There was Zena mentioned, So I liked that. 238 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: I liked that. 239 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: I was thinking the other day about when I went 240 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 2: to college, and I like took down my room and 241 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 2: like those kind of dorky posters. I was like, I 242 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 2: don't know if I'll bring this to college. Oh yeah. 243 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 2: Then there was also the theme of just pollution and capitalism. 244 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 2: So here's a quote. Soot and smoke filled the air 245 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 2: and dirtied the glass and the curtains, and you were 246 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: grateful for it. You were grateful that the company gave 247 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: you the opportunity to clean their messes, which is a 248 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 2: big thing because also throughout you see people who have, 249 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 2: through some way or the other, been impacted by this company, 250 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 2: whether they've lost someone, whether they're sick. L goes to 251 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 2: visit someone who is sick because of the pollution left 252 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 2: by this company, and you know the town is on fire, right, 253 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: So yeah, and then the graveyard of people who have 254 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 2: died in service to the town, as we mentioned, which 255 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 2: I think is also leads into gentrification because the company 256 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 2: comes in and they're trying to buy up the houses. 257 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 2: They're bringing in people to mind when locals refused. I 258 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 2: think V's mom was even saying, like, the company is 259 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 2: looking at buying our house, all. 260 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: Right, we should do it for a lot more m yep. 261 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 2: Then there's also generational trauma and memory in this. So 262 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 2: it's interesting because when you first well when I first 263 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 2: started reading it, the beginning obviously to me obviously invokes 264 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 2: a Night of the Living Dead when they wake up 265 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 2: the theater and then everything is like wrong, and then 266 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 2: there's zombies. There's these tales of women waking up standing 267 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 2: in a stupor and church parking lots after puberty, and 268 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 2: so I wasn't sure, but then when you find out 269 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 2: the truth of what's going on, like that really sticks 270 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 2: with you. It started with me like that they were 271 00:17:54,520 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 2: church parking lots. Yeah, yeah, that it basically they're being 272 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 2: drugged to forget, right, and this is where these horrible 273 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 2: things were happening to them. Here's a quote some women had. 274 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 2: It happened so many times they forgot their own names. 275 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 2: Environmental dementia. Doctors told them something in the air maybe 276 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 2: or the water. Oh foreboding because yeah, don't drink the water. 277 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 2: It erases your memory. It's supposed to heal you. And yeah, 278 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 2: it's revealed that this is because been we're abusing them 279 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 2: and just giving them this water, this drug to forget, 280 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 2: which is also interesting because that feels very like there 281 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 2: are so many stories of the water that heals you 282 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 2: or gives you eternal life, right, and it was being 283 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 2: used in this really horrific, horrific way. And then you 284 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 2: see one of the things that stuck out to me 285 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 2: is body memory, because even though people were being made 286 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 2: to forget, it seems like their body is still remembered. 287 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 2: So like when Jessica takes the mushroom decides to remember, 288 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 2: she has this scream that has described quote, it was 289 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 2: rage and grief and something bigger, older, primordial, like the 290 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 2: earth itself had been waiting to cry out since creation. 291 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 2: And then the girl, the witch, when she screamed at 292 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 2: the side of the water, it was like, it felt 293 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 2: like to me like her body was just reacting, even 294 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 2: if she couldn't remember. Something in her body was like, no, no, no, 295 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 2: this is this is really bad, this is unsafe. 296 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: And that. 297 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 2: Sort of because from there that guy did get arrested. 298 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 2: But there's this all also through line of it's less 299 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 2: about people do cover up for the men who were 300 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 2: caught using it, but it's like they shouldn't have gotten 301 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 2: themselves caught, right, We're allowed to keep doing this. It 302 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 2: was on them that they got caught. And here's another quote. 303 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: It isn't that no one believed us. It's worse than 304 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 2: that they knew and they just were, well, it's on him, 305 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 2: he got caught, but we're all gonna came doing right. 306 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: Well. It almost implied that all the men were in cohotes, 307 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: And it's like a generational learned things. Younger generations knew 308 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: about the water and kept using it and kept using it, 309 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: which made me wonder because ELL's parents have a beautiful relationship. 310 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: They're so great, they love each other, all these things, 311 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't he have known, like he was a part of 312 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 1: the crew as well, Like it kind of applies that 313 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: all the men, all the people there was not really 314 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: outside of the father being so loving with the mother 315 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: and great and all. There seemed to be an implication 316 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: that it was all the men in that society, which 317 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: was why the witsh was like, yeah, burnham, burn them all, 318 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: because it's not that they didn't care or they didn't know. 319 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: It was because they were trying to cover up. And 320 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: also the cardinal sin of probably her being a minor 321 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: may have been what played into him being arrested because 322 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: he got caught. But I don't know, because I don't 323 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: think it doesn't seem like any of the other men 324 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: were caught or were punished, because we know that Circe 325 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: had gone through some things whatever it may have been. 326 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: Like of course her story is a little different, but 327 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: in that partially like they came and killed her because 328 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: she refused to take the water because she knew what 329 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: it did, and so they had to like finally make 330 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: her like just like okay, we just have to get 331 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: rid of her because she's causing problem for the rest 332 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: of us. So instead of doing that to the young witch, 333 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: they arrested the man who died by suicide later or 334 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: maybe not, there was like the conspiracy theory, like they 335 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: just had to get rid of him because he was 336 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: doing something that was a step too far in this 337 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: whole plot. I didn't know for sure, but like it 338 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: did make me wonder about the father. I was, like, 339 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: he had to have known he grew up in this era, 340 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: he grew up in this timeframe. Sure he was not 341 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: one of the elite rich, but doesn't sound like that 342 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: had anything to do with anything because a lot of 343 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: them were coal miners who were not the elite, who 344 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: were a part of this problem as well. 345 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 346 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's certainly true that largely other than him, 347 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 2: I mean, men are absent from this story and are villains. Yeah, 348 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 2: And I know I read that the kind of skinless 349 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: zombies are supposed to represent, like older generations teaching that 350 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 2: to younger generations of men, and so it is something 351 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 2: that is sort of passed down. And it felt to 352 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 2: me very just when we talk about like rape culture 353 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 2: or the patriarchy or things like that, it felt very 354 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 2: we're sort of drinking this kowit to put it that way, 355 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 2: because that's what we're raised in, right, and that there 356 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 2: the men in the town are being taught this and 357 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 2: the women are having are being forced to forget and 358 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 2: then later either choosing to forget or to remember, just 359 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 2: to deal with. 360 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: This whole thing, right, And also kind of this conversation 361 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 1: about rape culture in general, where if it can be 362 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: swept under the rug, it will be and that that's okay. 363 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: That makes everything okay, and that is the preferred uh 364 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: like way of dealing with it, especially for the men 365 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: who think that they are allowed to do this, which 366 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: is again like the same level of conversation which it 367 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: took years and years and years to realize, Hey, this 368 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: is really really a heinous crime and trauma. We should 369 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: be talking about it instead of just dismissing this as 370 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: a eh, boys will be boys, which in a lot 371 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: of cultures teach this culture like yes, to show that 372 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: you are masculine. This type of culture should be practiced 373 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: but not talked out aloud about. 374 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 2: Right, right, and then and then and we'll talk about 375 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 2: this more in a second. But also if you do 376 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 2: talk out about it, then go to the sanatorium, my friend. 377 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's on you. We're not gonna we're not 378 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: gonna stop anything, right essentially, right, and unless it's like 379 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: cramping all of our styles. 380 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, if it's getting in the way of me 381 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 2: continuing to do my horrible things. 382 00:24:55,080 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 3: Yeah. 383 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 2: There's also a conversation about women believing women. This is 384 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 2: kind of big, and there's sort of flashbacks between V 385 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 2: and L's friendship, and there's one where they talk about 386 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 2: like believing each other. Elle has a knife that says 387 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 2: told you so, which comes up later is very important. 388 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 2: But here's a quote. 389 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: You're a liar. 390 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 2: I would never lie to you about something like this. 391 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 2: You can't just skip down and forget that something happened. 392 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 2: You can't forget that you forgot. And that was Lle 393 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 2: to V would be it's like, I don't want to 394 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 2: I don't want to deal with this. But yeah, going 395 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 2: back to what I was saying earlier, there is also 396 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 2: this theme of trans and homophobia or just like women 397 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 2: not behaving in quotes to the men's liking, because people, 398 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: largely women, are being sent to this sanatorium to quote, 399 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 2: get well, for being gay, for dressing inappropriately, for just 400 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 2: noticing something's wrong. 401 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: Right. Oh, I thought it needs to be noted, and 402 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: I'm sure it has something kind of some kind of 403 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: symmetry as well, that the sanatorium was then turned into 404 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: Heaven on Earth. Yes, that is now the place that 405 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: people like that is the same place, So it needs 406 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 1: to be noted that this is kind of reverted back 407 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: to what it was intended, a place to abuse women. 408 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I felt like the example of the 409 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 2: Witch when she was a young girl been revealed. She's 410 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 2: gone through this horribly traumatic of it, and they're like 411 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 2: butter in the sanatorium, right. I think that's pretty telling. 412 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 2: It is well, there are some positive things though. Friendship 413 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 2: and love is a big theme in this obviously between 414 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 2: Octavia and Hellidora VNL the shared sensations. I thought this 415 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 2: was really interesting because I think this is something on 416 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 2: the lines of you know, when you're really close to 417 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 2: someone or when you even go through a generational trauma, 418 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 2: those they are those things that you share. So I 419 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 2: thought that's what was trying to be conveyed. There could 420 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 2: just be me also the believing believing each other line. 421 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 2: I love this quote. Sometimes you've got to listen, but 422 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 2: sometimes you've got to write your own endings, And that 423 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 2: was when they realized Jessica was at the club. They'd 424 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 2: listened to the Witches story, like, we can't wait around anymore. 425 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 2: We've got to We've got to write our own ending 426 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 2: and then just seeing their friendship over the years and 427 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 2: seeing them fights, but the make up. Uh, I'm not 428 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 2: entirely sure at the end what was going on, but you. 429 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: Know, yeah, Well in the story too, they go from 430 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: L's perspective to V's perspective, to El's likely you get 431 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: a lot and obviously, and then to Jessica's perspective because 432 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: she's telling her story as well, which is kind of 433 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: a sideline explanatory of like how things will be solved 434 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: at the end essentially. But I think that makes it 435 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: interesting because you do get two different perspectives. To me, 436 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: it looked like Elle was in love with V. Yeah, 437 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: and knew that she was in love with V, but 438 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: like V was in love with Jessica at that time 439 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: and Elle was just kind of waiting it out. Elle 440 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: was also the one, like you have that person, And 441 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: I think we see this a lot, especially think about 442 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: like the me Too era who was ready to face 443 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: their trauma, who was ready to do it in order 444 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: to get justice, as where there are other survivors who 445 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: are not ready to deal with that to troscess that 446 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: trauma or there's a level of trauma that they can't 447 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: afford to take at that moment or it'll make it worse. 448 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: So I feel like those two represented really interesting takes 449 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: in that, and so Elle's maturity in her like feelings 450 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: for v I think it was a big part of 451 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: the story. But also Elle is also a lot more 452 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: realistic and a little more pessimistic because she's like, the world, 453 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: I can't leave this area because my parents, as much 454 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: as I love them, they're amazing parents, they can't afford 455 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: to send me. And so instead of like, I don't 456 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: want to go through this because it's worse to be 457 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: accepted and not being able to go to a college 458 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: because I know I can't afford it, and likes that's 459 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: so real because this is based in the nineties too. 460 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: So that's the other part is this is based in 461 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: the nineties and you have that time, Like we've talked 462 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,959 Speaker 1: about this repeatedly with all the nineties comedies, like college 463 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: was different, Like it was a lot harder for you 464 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: to afford because it was a privilege. It was those 465 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: who had my it was more for that, or those 466 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: willing to get debt and hope that they can pay 467 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: it back one day, which is not always the case. 468 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. That was my vibe I 469 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 2: got as well, was that L was really into V 470 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 2: and V was into Jessica, which I have to say, 471 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 2: I'm glad. 472 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: I kind of thought they. 473 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 2: Were going to turn Jessica into like a bimbo or something. 474 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: Right. There really was no girl against girl on this, 475 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: and I. 476 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 2: Like that now that you say it. I hadn't really 477 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 2: thought about it, but it was. We got a lot 478 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 2: of different perspectives of women experiencing this trauma in different ways. 479 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 2: Because you heard the Witch's story, you heard Jessica's story, 480 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 2: obviously you heard V and L. 481 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: So one review implies that I don't know if I 482 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: don't know if I didn't catch it, because reading straight 483 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: through the comic when you're not used to it me, 484 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, oh, I get where to go in 485 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: these boxes. I know this sounds so like trivia, but 486 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I think I read ahead, let 487 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: me go back down here. I did that a couple 488 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: of times. But like that the actual Circe was actually 489 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: a trans woman. Okay, so like that's not like the 490 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: way they kind of because I did appreciate. I really 491 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: appreciated it. I think they I know they did this. 492 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: They did this on parbas as much as it's horrid 493 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: and must as this is about trauma, they didn't want 494 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: to replay trauma, so they kind of bypassed it. And 495 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: I had to like, oh, oh, they're insinuating this because 496 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: it took me a minute to figure out that the 497 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: young witch was being molested. I was like, what's happening? 498 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: She just went to it? Oh oh, and what that was? 499 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: And I actually really appreciated the way they handled that 500 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: because you know, oftentimes it becomes like trauma porn in 501 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: that measure, because we know, we know, but it took 502 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: me a minute to figure out, oh, well, she's also trans. Okay, okay, 503 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: because they never discribe at her trans this, you know, 504 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like, they don't ever 505 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: dead name her, they don't ever like mis gender her, 506 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: which obviously they as I think I believe they're quick 507 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: queer writers as well. They're like, no, like this is 508 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: the first time I think I've seen it done so 509 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: well that I was like, oh, that's what they're implying. 510 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: But it took me a minute. I was like, oh, okay, 511 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: which brings to a whole level of like because they 512 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: don't even talk about her trauma, just like she was 513 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: just there right. I did to say the way she dressed, 514 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: and I didn't know what that meant. In my mind, 515 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: I thought she was dressing like a man m so 516 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: that's what I thought was happening. I was very like, huh, okay, Yeah, 517 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: it did take me a minute. 518 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 2: I get that. There was a bunch of things that 519 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 2: I was like, wait, does that be what I think 520 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 2: it means? 521 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: And I was looking up at it. Okay, yes, okay, okay. 522 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: I think that's probably the way I missed out is 523 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: I didn't look up everything and I waited till the 524 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: end because a lot we know this, a lot of 525 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: books and movies like they have that at the end 526 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: where it makes since after the fact and that you 527 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: have to go back and re reading, like, oh, I 528 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: get it. That makes more sense now, that kind of 529 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: that kind of level of like coming back to it. Ah, 530 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: that makes a lot like wow, because in my head 531 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: is why is it subdraumatic that well, first of all, 532 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: maybe they just slept as a theater and why it 533 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: was so big. I was like, what's what's happening, what's happening? 534 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 2: Well, that's why. I mean again, it's clear that the 535 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 2: people who made this, at least some of them, well 536 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 2: obviously the author because she's written. Look if you don't 537 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 2: know her, the reason I wanted to talk about her. 538 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 2: She has written a lot of really critically acclaimed horror books. 539 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 2: It's clear that they know their horror. And so again, 540 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 2: like I feel like the waking up in the theater 541 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 2: that was kind of a red herring for horror fans 542 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 2: because that is the exact blot point. Yeah, so I 543 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 2: was like zombies and then there were zombies, but they weren't. 544 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 2: They weren't I was expecting. 545 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: Right, Like, no there was because none of it because 546 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: it kind of gave that not True Detective field. But 547 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: you know what we're talking about with that creature, that 548 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: the ant liter creature that no one knew what was happening. 549 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: And I say this as a person who've never fully 550 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: watched the entire season of Indy True Detective. I just 551 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: know that creature because someone dressed up like that, and 552 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: I was like, what are you and why are you 553 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: like this? And they did a great job too, They 554 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:30,359 Speaker 1: were like hell is this but in that like that's 555 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,439 Speaker 1: where I even was like, is that where we're going? 556 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: Because that's interesting. 557 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 2: Well, that does lead me to the next team I 558 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 2: wanted to talk about, which is just kind of a 559 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 2: run through of some horror elements that were in here. 560 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 2: The zombies and creatures were one of them. I did 561 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 2: think it was interesting that the men or sort of 562 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 2: mindless monsters, whereas the women are intelligent being trapped in 563 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 2: animal form, right, they're being objectified. 564 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 3: Yes. 565 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: I also thought that was interesting that they were obviously 566 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: very protective and so they would protect Like the rabbit 567 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,879 Speaker 1: was trying to stop them from going to Varhead because 568 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: she knew that zombie was ahead of them, and so 569 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 1: like she like that creature stopped them, as well as 570 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: the deer protecting L and V when they were being 571 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,720 Speaker 1: attacked by all the zombies, but attacking her father. Yeah, 572 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: because it was a man. 573 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's at the end you see at least 574 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 2: one of them. I believe the bunny rabbit taking the 575 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 2: mushrooms and remembering and becoming a woman again. And then 576 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 2: you see another. 577 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: One is that what happened? 578 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 2: Yeah? And look yeah, and then the other one does 579 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 2: not take it. So I thought that was interesting, kind 580 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 2: of the dichotomy of what happened there. Also, the void 581 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 2: I thought was interesting because a lot of people had 582 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 2: a lot to say about the void. 583 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 3: Uh. 584 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 2: Jessica described it as it opens when women are feeling 585 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 2: large emotions. But I when she remembers and the void 586 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 2: becomes so huge that men and the zombies they fall 587 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 2: in it, presumably. 588 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: To their dead, yes, or to become zombies. 589 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 2: A lot of people like wrote about you know, her 590 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 2: body becoming like. 591 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: Justice the most, like she was. 592 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 2: She was revenge, yes, yeah, but that void, Like I 593 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 2: just feel like a void invokes so many it just 594 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 2: feels so empty it can never be filled, like her justice, 595 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,879 Speaker 2: like it'll never given what happened to her. She could 596 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 2: do this all day and still never go away. 597 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: I wonder too, like for some survivors, is about that 598 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 1: feeling when you come to the point of realizing the pain, 599 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 1: so the truth of it all, to just want to 600 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: be swallowed up, you know, just just wanting to become 601 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,320 Speaker 1: nothing because nothing is better than pain, like it really 602 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 1: like you know, obviously we talk out of experience. In 603 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 1: a lot of this, there's so much that once you 604 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: are in the depth of that pain, you would you 605 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: would do anything you feel like you could do and 606 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 1: would do anything to make it go away, Which is 607 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: part of the big trauma that like we talk about 608 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: often is that if you can get past this, and 609 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,840 Speaker 1: you can't, eventually you can with time, Like healing takes 610 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 1: so much time and it may never could be complete, 611 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: but it does happen. But at that point before that, 612 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: it feels so impossible that you just wish to become nothing. 613 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: And because oftentimes not for everyone, I think like obviously 614 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: people are people, so therefore they're going to have different 615 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: emotions and reactions and all of that. But a lot 616 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: oftentimes that pain is just like you just want to 617 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 1: take everything with you sometimes too, like not only do 618 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: you wish that you could like either you could get 619 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: rid of that pain or you can give that pain 620 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 1: like that that level. Yeah, And I feel like that 621 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 1: kind of is part of that symbolism of like her realizing, 622 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,280 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, and that allowing it too far along 623 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: kind of like her mother. Yeah, like incapacitates you completely. 624 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and when you're talking about like we were earlier 625 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:41,800 Speaker 2: in her generational trauma. 626 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 3: Her mom. 627 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: I mean, she looked dead. She looked like I thought 628 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 1: she was dead. I was very confused about what was happening. 629 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 2: She might have been, but she was like a void 630 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 2: that looked like stuff was growing out of her. 631 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: Right. 632 00:38:55,239 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 2: And also just like the idea of all of those 633 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 2: memories coming back to you at once, on how overwhelming 634 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:13,239 Speaker 2: that must be. I really appreciated the different ways this 635 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 2: graphic novel showcased the different ways people who have gone 636 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 2: through things like this do experience it. Because Jessica chose 637 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 2: to remember, and it's you know, the jury is out 638 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 2: on how she will handle that in the end. Will 639 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 2: she become like her mom, will she have a healthier outcome? 640 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 2: We don't know, but she did choose to remember it. 641 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 2: So seeing those different the different ways people were trying 642 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,799 Speaker 2: to just really survive this horrible thing that happened to. 643 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:56,359 Speaker 1: Them, right, and it could be a conversation too about 644 00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:01,880 Speaker 1: her mom and Jessica. Her mom analyzing so much that 645 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 1: she got engulfed in that because she had no other 646 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 1: choice at that point and she didn't know she could 647 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 1: remember as where Jessica did remember and became kind of 648 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:14,799 Speaker 1: like rage and then came back to herself like kind 649 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: of interesting. Just now that I've looked back at the book, 650 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 1: y'all to have I look back at the books, I 651 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: saw the rabbit turning into a woman, but then you 652 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: also see the next one, the deer not not needing 653 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,799 Speaker 1: that mush women just becoming an actual deer and moving on. 654 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,839 Speaker 1: So like the people, how they react, how they deal 655 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 1: with all these things, it's there's no right or wrong, 656 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:41,359 Speaker 1: like this is all about what they can handle and 657 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 1: how they can handle it. And in the level of 658 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 1: like being given a choice, obviously that's that bigger, bigger conversation. 659 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, just like you were saying too, it feels 660 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 1: like their personality type is what makes them become whatever. 661 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,799 Speaker 1: So if you've become the rabbit, the bird, the deer, 662 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: or for Jessica the void and her mom the void, 663 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 1: and maybe that's generational as well, but it felt like 664 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 1: a conversation about how women may deal with that trauma, 665 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,800 Speaker 1: whether it's wanting to get revenge, whether it's to protect 666 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 1: other women, whether it's to take everything out like it 667 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 1: just it just allowing that rage to be Like it 668 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: was an interesting conversation, especially in regards to a woman, 669 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 1: because you don't see that. 670 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:30,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I think that choice, as you mentioned, 671 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 2: was very very important to the whole thing of like 672 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,880 Speaker 2: how you choose to deal with this, and it was 673 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,800 Speaker 2: a choice that so many of them hadn't ever had. 674 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,359 Speaker 2: I also thought it was interesting. I'm still not sure 675 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,360 Speaker 2: what I think about this, but about Jessica's mom putting 676 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 2: her in the pageant circuit, because that just feels so 677 00:41:54,239 --> 00:42:00,719 Speaker 2: like hmm, but I mean, I guess she didn't remember, 678 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 2: but it feels like you're putting your daughter in a 679 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 2: lot of danger that situation in this particular town. 680 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,399 Speaker 1: Right, And her daughter didn't really necessarily care about any 681 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,879 Speaker 1: of that. She wanted to dance. But yeah, her mom 682 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: made her mom happy and the first time seeing her 683 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 1: mom happy, because she hadn't been happy until her daughter one. 684 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,520 Speaker 1: But it did seem interesting because that conversation, once again 685 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 1: was her avoiding so much and being miserable and so 686 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: like caught up and trying not to be the void. 687 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: But then her daughter doing this and being like, oh, 688 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 1: we can still have normal lifely how beautiful, and like 689 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 1: she gets to gloat about this, and then that gave 690 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,520 Speaker 1: too much, too much void where it came kind of 691 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,120 Speaker 1: popped out. That was an interesting There was a lot 692 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,400 Speaker 1: of side things that I was like, huh, because that 693 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 1: we never really get a story about what Elle's mother 694 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 1: did for the witch in which she was indebted to 695 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 1: her to save the husband. And I was like, yeah, 696 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:59,440 Speaker 1: what is this about? Yeah? I could also Elle was 697 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,319 Speaker 1: all about out the witch because Elle was like, thank 698 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: you so much for sharing. Well, V was like, what 699 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,359 Speaker 1: the what did you do? And like V obviously had 700 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 1: never met her because when she came in, She's like, 701 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: I'm here to see your mother. She's like, girl, what, 702 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 1: I'm the witch. I'm one hundred years old, why are 703 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,879 Speaker 1: you talking to me? Or seventy years old? But like 704 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 1: these connectedness with that world is reticence as versus Elle 705 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 1: has always been a bar in that world. Whether it's 706 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,399 Speaker 1: her mom again, her mom has a relationship, some type 707 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 1: of relationship with a witch. We just don't know what. 708 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,279 Speaker 1: It's never mentioned. We just know that Elle knew that 709 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,320 Speaker 1: there was a contingency plan that if something were to happen. 710 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if it was specific to her father, 711 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,399 Speaker 1: Like this is the way they were protecting the father 712 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,799 Speaker 1: because they knew these animals hated men or what, but 713 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,680 Speaker 1: like something was there and her being like, you know 714 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,319 Speaker 1: what to do? I need you to do this, like 715 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 1: without even mentioning the witch, not like nothing, she just 716 00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: said you know what I need you to do and 717 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 1: then that's the end in your like what and not 718 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,920 Speaker 1: realizing they had a connection. So that felt like a 719 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 1: side story that I was like, huh. Also, Pearl, by 720 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,719 Speaker 1: the way, I skipped ahead to make sure I didn't die. 721 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,520 Speaker 1: I was so worried. I was so upset. I think 722 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,960 Speaker 1: I yelped at one point when she got attacked when 723 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,880 Speaker 1: they were in the dog. Yeah, Pearl the dog. I 724 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,920 Speaker 1: was always I was on edge because I'm like, look 725 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 1: at this therapy dog. They take this dog to elderly 726 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 1: places the like nursing homes or whatever whatnot, and like 727 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,360 Speaker 1: she just hangs out with all of them. That's a 728 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,799 Speaker 1: part of her duty. And I was like, they killed 729 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 1: this dog, I'm gonna fight somebody. Everything else is fine, 730 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 1: but not Pearl. Damn it was. But also that was 731 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 1: also another side story that I was like, huh huh. Also, 732 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,800 Speaker 1: I think it's also that scene with the older woman 733 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,880 Speaker 1: talking about losing her son again. It came after a boy. 734 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,880 Speaker 1: It just came after boys, so her son and her 735 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:09,760 Speaker 1: her husband, but she lived above a cold sinkhole essentially 736 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,839 Speaker 1: kind of as she was okay with it mm hmm, 737 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,919 Speaker 1: because she was like let line where she talks about 738 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,440 Speaker 1: I'm glad we can breathe this and for us to 739 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,320 Speaker 1: cleim because it gave them jobs, but it was killing her. 740 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 1: But at the same time she was like, Nah, my 741 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,880 Speaker 1: family's gone. I'm good. But it was an interesting conversation 742 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,200 Speaker 1: about that gentrification that you were talking about, because she 743 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 1: was so grateful to have a job but not realizing 744 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:34,719 Speaker 1: they were killing her as well. 745 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:43,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's in this nursing home dying. It was I 746 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,920 Speaker 2: think there's I think there's more of them. This was 747 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,440 Speaker 2: one through six, so I'm confused. 748 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, someone tell me, I did not realize that this 749 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:59,200 Speaker 1: was like just one. Is there several more books continuations 750 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,719 Speaker 1: of this one's or is it now complete and we're 751 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,359 Speaker 1: gone to a different because I know Hillhouse Comics that 752 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,759 Speaker 1: is with d C is horror. Yeah, a lot of 753 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:13,480 Speaker 1: horror stories horror comics. So she do we continue on 754 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,120 Speaker 1: with L and B. 755 00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:21,399 Speaker 2: I don't know, because like I tried to look into it. 756 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,960 Speaker 2: Because I didn't want when we were choosing this, like 757 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,400 Speaker 2: a fear of mine was we would get to the 758 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,480 Speaker 2: end and it would be like whoa Edition two? But 759 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,280 Speaker 2: it's a very complete Yeah. 760 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,280 Speaker 1: It does. It felt like it was an ending. 761 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I looked into it and I didn't see 762 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:45,680 Speaker 2: anything else. But yeah, correct is if we're wrong, because 763 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:50,839 Speaker 2: it does feel like there was a bunch of little. 764 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,200 Speaker 1: I asked, So what I'm seeing is it is six 765 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,200 Speaker 1: parts in one. They were all individually issued, it is, 766 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,680 Speaker 1: and it is a limited series. It's limited run comic series. 767 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,160 Speaker 1: So it's done and the final and the like the 768 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:08,160 Speaker 1: final one was released or not final. It was the 769 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:13,239 Speaker 1: hardcover edition. Collected edition was released in twenty twenty. Oh 770 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,080 Speaker 1: actually September twenty nine to twenty twenty, so we're coming up. 771 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 2: On anniversary Congress Congress get. 772 00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,640 Speaker 1: Finally once again. But yeah, so it shows all of that. 773 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,360 Speaker 1: And I'm looking at the comics as they were released 774 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,440 Speaker 1: and they different had different Huh. Yeah, we see it. 775 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:36,000 Speaker 1: We see the if you if you buy I don't 776 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,120 Speaker 1: know because you've got the kindle version. I actually bought 777 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,880 Speaker 1: the paperback version, but in each one, it shows the 778 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,560 Speaker 1: cover as they had as the same as they had 779 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,080 Speaker 1: released it, I believe. Yeah, that's the same that as 780 00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,799 Speaker 1: they had the cover for the release, So it's in there, 781 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,880 Speaker 1: but like chapters cool, Yeah, how'd you look at it 782 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,040 Speaker 1: when you come over? Anye? 783 00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:59,600 Speaker 2: Okay, oh that does lead me into my final thing. 784 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,960 Speaker 2: I just want to call out the illustrations. They were amazing. 785 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:03,120 Speaker 1: They're beautiful. 786 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:10,120 Speaker 2: They're beautiful, They're like haunting, Yes, they they're haunting, but 787 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:14,120 Speaker 2: I really love the like there's different illustration styles based 788 00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:18,640 Speaker 2: on like, yes, the covers, but it's certain like emotions, 789 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:23,000 Speaker 2: there are different illustration styles. The contrast. I really like 790 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,279 Speaker 2: there's kind of like a set of colors that they 791 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,360 Speaker 2: use a lot, but then when another color pops in there. 792 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:35,000 Speaker 2: I really really enjoyed that as well. And there were 793 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,360 Speaker 2: just so many panels that illustrated so much in like 794 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,480 Speaker 2: a small panel. I remember one is when you see 795 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,840 Speaker 2: V with Jessica for the first time. Who again, I 796 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,640 Speaker 2: was like worried they were going to make into some 797 00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,480 Speaker 2: kind of you know, horrendously girlween girl. Yeah, but you 798 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,040 Speaker 2: see them and V's wearing her converses, it's just their shoes. 799 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:59,359 Speaker 2: V's wearing converses and Jessica's wearing like nice like stilettos 800 00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,480 Speaker 2: or like he but that just communicates so much in 801 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,480 Speaker 2: that one like frame, because so I feel like the 802 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,960 Speaker 2: illustration was really fun and it was really vibrant, and 803 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,320 Speaker 2: it did a lot of different things which kept it exciting. 804 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,160 Speaker 2: So really really enjoyed it. 805 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:18,719 Speaker 3: Mm hmmm hm. 806 00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:20,120 Speaker 1: It was very good. 807 00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:21,879 Speaker 2: This was a good pick. 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