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Speaker 1: On the Jordan Harbinger Show, You'll hear amazing stories from

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Speaker 1: people that have lived them, from spies to CEOs, even

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Speaker 1: an undercover agent who infiltrated the Gambino crime family. You're

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Speaker 1: about to hear a preview of The Jordan Harbinger Show

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Speaker 1: with Jack Garcia, who did just that. My career was

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Speaker 1: twenty four out of twenty six years was solely dedicated

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Speaker 1: working on the cover. I walk in, I'm in the bar.

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Speaker 1: How there's a bar made? Dare good looking young lady

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Speaker 1: see serving me? Joey, Hey, what would you like? I

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Speaker 1: usually my frank was give me a kettle, one martini,

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Speaker 1: the drink. The guys come in. I'm gonna go go

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Speaker 1: I give her one hundred hours. If you're with the mob,

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Speaker 1: I say, hey, Jordan, you're on record with us. That

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Speaker 1: means we protect you. Nobody could shake you down. We

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Speaker 1: could shake you down. Oh, you're on record with us.

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Speaker 1: For more on how Jack became so trusted in the

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Speaker 1: highest levels of the Gambino organization, check out episode three

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Speaker 1: ninety two of the Jordan Harbinger show. This is a

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Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly show. It's time for a little thought experiment,

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Speaker 1: a brief one. I want you to picture that you've

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Speaker 1: never seen an elephant before in your life. And when

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Speaker 1: I say never seen, I mean you are in ancient times.

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Speaker 1: Ancient times. There's no TV, there's no radio, you're not

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Speaker 1: getting National Geographic magazine. You've never seen one. You've heard

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Speaker 1: you thinking? You don't ever think about this, right? What

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Speaker 1: are you thinking? Okay, so apparently we have monsters in

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Speaker 1: the world, right, what would you be thinking? Huge tasks ears,

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Speaker 1: It's gigantic, It can squash you like a bug. That

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Speaker 1: That is what we're about to talk about today. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be sweet. Hannibal Barka, I am extremely saddened

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Speaker 1: to announce that, while I love Hannibal, he's one of

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Speaker 1: I was while I was doing some reading and such. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: While I was doing some reading, I discovered that Hannibal Lecter,

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Speaker 1: the character from the Silence of the Lamb's movies, is

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Speaker 1: actually more googled than Hannibal Barka, and it made me

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Speaker 1: want a swan dive off a building. Hannibal was not

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Speaker 1: one of, if not the greatest generals who ever lived,

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Speaker 1: but made a colossal mistake and it ended poorly. You see.

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Speaker 1: Let us rewind briefly. We are in the Mediterranean world. Now,

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Speaker 1: this time, but Rome is not Rome yet. Rome is

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Speaker 1: a brief side note, trading. We don't give a lot

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Speaker 1: It's human nature, right, what do you do when you

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Speaker 1: stunned that any war could last twenty three years. Understand something.

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Speaker 1: of Zama, the Carthaginians are not sayings. The Carthaginians were

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Speaker 1: don't shed any tears when we start talking about dead Carthaginians.

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Speaker 1: Let's put it that way. The Hannibal car instead of

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Speaker 1: after get the exact details of the story. Don't strike

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Speaker 1: an elephant on the safari and ride them into battle.

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Speaker 1: These people knew what they were doing. Carthaginians fighting with

423
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Speaker 1: elephants was something they did. They trained their elephants their

424
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: war elephants were specifically trained for war unless you had

425
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Speaker 1: young ones without very much training. And if you have

426
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Speaker 1: young elephants without very much training, and that elephant gets

427
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: spooked and loses its mind, and are you picturing an

428
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Speaker 1: old battlefield and everybody standing close together with spears and swords,

429
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Speaker 1: and are you picturing what exactly would happen if your

430
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Speaker 1: own elephant lost its mind and turned around and started

431
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: ripping through your own people. Well, Remember I said Scipio

432
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: was a young hotshot, easily one of the greatest generals ever.

433
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: As well, he planned for them, He planned for everything.

434
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: He had his Roman troops open up their lines so

435
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Speaker 1: an elephant could not just storm through and smashed twenty

436
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Speaker 1: at a time. He also brought in massive trumpets that

437
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: were loud. Apparently they were very, very loud. Again, talk

438
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Speaker 1: about things you would want to see. I want to

439
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Speaker 1: see that. I want to see Hannibal sending in his

440
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: elephants first, which he did, and Scipio pulling out trumpets

441
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: and blaring it at the elephants, and apparently the elephants freaked,

442
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: turned around, tore through Hannibal's left flank his own elephants

443
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: Hannibal's Hannibal's cavalry took off to fight Scipio's cavalry, only

444
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: Scipio this time, for once, had more. The fighting took

445
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: place away from the main battle, so Hannibal didn't know

446
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: what was happening. Scipio's cavalry kicked the crap out of him,

447
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: partially because Hannibal always used Numidian cavalry. Now, I don't

448
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: expect you to know anything about Numidia, just know it's

449
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: basically attached to Carthage. They were the best horsemen in

450
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: the world, especially for light cavalry. Hannibal always used them.

451
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: Only by this time they were sick of being ruled

452
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Speaker 1: by Carthage and they switched sides again. When it's over

453
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: for you, it ends quickly, so Hannibal's men are fighting,

454
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: they're fighting valiantly, and then Scipio's cavalry returns and smashes

455
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Speaker 1: into the rear of Hannibal wipes Hannibal out. You never

456
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,280
Speaker 1: know the real numbers when it comes to these old things.

457
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: They estimate twenty five thirty thousand Carthaginians dead, Scipio lost

458
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Speaker 1: like four thousand. It sounds worse than it is. Understand

459
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: when it comes to these ancient battles, especially, people were

460
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: definitely dying when they smashed into each other with shields

461
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: and such like you see in the movies. But they

462
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: weren't dying that quickly. It's if you were to line

463
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: yourself up in front of me, and you were to

464
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Speaker 1: put armor on your shins in a big armored chest plate,

465
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Speaker 1: maybe some armor on your arms, a big thick helmet,

466
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: and then a big shield, and I give you a

467
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Speaker 1: spear and then I put on all the same stuff.

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Speaker 1: Do you understand that, Yes, we could hurt each other

469
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Speaker 1: really badly, we could kill each other badly. But even

470
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Speaker 1: trained soldiers, it's difficult to land a killing glow when

471
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Speaker 1: everything you wear plush, your shield is specifically designed to

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Speaker 1: prevent me from landing a killing glow. It's violent, it's ugly,

473
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: it's bloody. We would be cut up, we would be exhausted.

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Speaker 1: At some point, one of us would probably jam that

475
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Speaker 1: spear through the there's eye, which actually happened there. It's

476
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: written down. That's one of the ways people got killed.

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00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 1: It's one of the only vulnerable parts out there. But again,

478
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Speaker 1: if you're experienced at all and we're fighting like that,

479
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Speaker 1: I know you're trying to hit my eye. I have

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00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: my shield up. What I'm telling you is, it's not

481
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Speaker 1: like in the movies where you just run out and

482
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: Brad Pitts in Troy playing Achilles and he pulls out

483
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Speaker 1: a sword and just slices down ninety people before anyone

484
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: can move. It's difficult to kill someone who's in front

485
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Speaker 1: of you with a shield up trying to kill you too.

486
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Speaker 1: It's just it's not as easy as it sounds where

487
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: the death came in these old old battlefields. The death

488
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: came in the retreat. The death came when you and

489
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Speaker 1: I are fighting and I throw my spear down and

490
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Speaker 1: turn around and run the other direction because I'm scared.

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Speaker 1: Now you're spearing me in the back. Now your horse

492
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Speaker 1: sent er spear and me in the back. And that's

493
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Speaker 1: why the casualties were so bad for carts. Hang on,

494
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: our stories nut quite done. Your phone is gross. Now,

495
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: hannibal story wasn't done. He didn't die at the Battle

496
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Speaker 1: of Zamba. He actually went back and pretty much took

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Speaker 1: charge of Carthage. As you can imagine, he was well

498
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: thought of back then the Punic the Second Punic War

499
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Speaker 1: was over, and as you can imagine, he wasn't really

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Speaker 1: well thought of Rome. Now when I say not well thought,

501
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: I'd understand this. The Romans hated his guts. The Romans

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Speaker 1: wanted him dead. The Romans were going to do everything

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Speaker 1: humanly possible to make sure he was dead. But you

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Speaker 1: can hear, I mean, most of the writings we have

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Speaker 1: about Hannibal, the Roman writing, they're not Carthaginian writings. The

506
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: respect comes off the paper. You could tell Romans respected

507
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: the fact this dude was a man child, an absolute beast.

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Speaker 1: But eventually, because if you thought the sanctions from the

509
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Speaker 1: First War were bad, they were nothing compared to the

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Speaker 1: Second Punic War. Essentially the Second Punic War, the sanctions

511
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Speaker 1: were so bad the Romans were essentially guaranteeing We're just

512
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Speaker 1: going to come right back here really soon and kill

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Speaker 1: you all. Consider this a brief brief break from us

514
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Speaker 1: slaughtering you. We'll talk about the third one here in

515
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: a little while, not on today's show, at another time.

516
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Speaker 1: Were but Hannibal eventually gets run out of town because

517
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: Rome's like, I have Hannibal lead, and now you have

518
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: the aging general going all over the Mediterranean. Hang on

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00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:30,479
Speaker 1: the Jesse Kelly Show. This is the Jesse Kelly Show.

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Speaker 1: Full disclosure. I hadn't really it's not now. It's not

521
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,479
Speaker 1: like I plan anyway. I don't plan things. I hadn't

522
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Speaker 1: really planned undoing Hannibal for the first hour that was

523
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: supposed to be about twenty minutes. Look, I can't do

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Speaker 1: coronavirus all the time, people. I love Hannibal's ball with it.

525
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 1: I went with it. Now, how did Hannibal end well

526
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: bounced around and when I say, bounced around when you're

527
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: Hannibal Barca and you're not welcoming Carthage anymore. They got

528
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: their own problems. There's still a market out there for

529
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Speaker 1: somebody who's made an entire lifetime beating the crap out

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Speaker 1: of Romans. That was not something a lot of people did.

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Speaker 1: So he was essentially a hired gun, a hired consultant,

532
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 1: various kings who wanted to rebel against the Romans. Or

533
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: we're trying to hold off the Romans. Hannibal show up

534
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Speaker 1: and hey, you're looking for a hand here. I know,

535
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: I know how to do some of this. Then you

536
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: get hired on and run out, and hired on and

537
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: run out. But eventually Rome caught up with him. You see,

538
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: Rome didn't forget about Hannibal. Then his story ends in

539
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: a way that has always bummed me out. You know,

540
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: I get bummed out when these great generals, when these

541
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: great men, when they die in ways that I don't

542
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 1: view or appropriate. But what is appropriate if we all

543
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: got to go, is what is an appropriate way? I

544
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: wanted Hannibal to die with a spear in his hand,

545
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: but he dies on the run like a common criminal.

546
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: As the Romans are chasing him down all over the place.

547
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 1: Finally finds himself hold up in a villa. The Romans

548
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: have surrounded the villa. Hannibal has poisoned with him. Hannibal says, quote,

549
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: let us now relieve the Romans of their fears by

550
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: the death of a feeble old man. And he drinks

551
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: their poison, and Hannibal diyes, Now, what was Hannibal's critical mistake?

552
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: And all that? What was it? Hannibal was doing fine,

553
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 1: Everything was working out fine until Hannibal decided he wanted

554
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: to start promising people protection. Protection is the death of freedom,

555
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: not just of Hannibal and his freedom to march all

556
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: over Rome and kick the crap out of everything. As

557
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: soon as you tie yourself down, as soon as you

558
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: make commitments of protection, so often throughout history there are

559
00:42:54,160 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: a million examples of it, you have doomed yourself. What

560
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: are we dealing with right now? Obviously coronavirus right And

561
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Speaker 1: I don't need to belabor the point at this exact

562
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: moment about how disastrous I think these lockdowns have been.

563
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: But really, if you want to get down to it,

564
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: it's not just the debt we've piled up it's not

565
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: just the job loss, it's not just the suicides. We're

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Speaker 1: already seeing skyrocket alcohol abuse. Alcohol sales are through the roof.

567
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: I'm not judging you've been doing it too much myself. Drugs.

568
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: I've been huge into drugs. I'm kidding him, been huge

569
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Speaker 1: into drugs. But still child abuse, spousal abuse, it's been horrible, right,

570
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 1: But beyond that, what we did was our government, federal, state,

571
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: and local government. They made a decision at the very

572
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: beginning of it, and that decision was quite simply this.

573
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: They told the public that they would be protected. And

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00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: now that Genie doesn't go back in the bottle. Now

575
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 1: we're at a point where people were realizing how disastrous

576
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: and destructive these shutdowns are. And you see places like

577
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: like Texas, I'll talk about them in a few they're

578
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: gonna start opening up, and other states are gonna follow suit,

579
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: and we're gonna start opening up. But here's the problem.

580
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Speaker 1: You promised me I would be protected. And as soon

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Speaker 1: as I get that in my mind as a citizen,

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Speaker 1: that's tough to unravel. As soon as I get that

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00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: in my mind as somebody in the government, I have

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Speaker 1: to protect them. Well, how do you look at them

585
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: now now and say I can't protect you anymore. I

586
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: need you to go back to work. We have these

587
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: food supply chain problems. Tyson came out and said, hey,

588
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: we're about to have a big meat problem. We're having

589
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: a huge meat problem in Smithfield, I believe, the biggest

590
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: producer of pork in the country. They said, yeah, not

591
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: only are we having a supply chain problem, my workers

592
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: don't want to come to work now. They feel like

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00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: they've been unfairly put upon. And why wouldn't they feel

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00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: that way? The government told all of America, everybody stay

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00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: home or it's unsafe. If you leave you, if you

596
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: leave your house, it's unsafe. If you don't stay home,

597
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna die. Stay home, everyone's gonna die. Oh what's that?

598
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: It's May first, All right, everybody back to work. Well,

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00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: wait a minute, so I'm not gonna die anymore? Has

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Speaker 1: that changed? Is that different? Now you've got these workers

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00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: at Smithfield, I'm not even I don't even criticizing them. Well,

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00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: I don't blame them. Well, wait a minute. You've told

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00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: everybody they have to stay home or they're gonna die.

604
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: But I have to go to work. How's that work.

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00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: That promise of protection is going to be a millstone

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00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: around our neck for the foreseeable future. And it is

607
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: going to take time, and it is going to take

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00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: commitment to unloaded it is. And you know what else

609
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: it's going to take. It's going to take politicians being

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00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 1: willing to step up and tell people hard truths they

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00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 1: don't want to hear. You know, I'm all about those, right. Remember,

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Speaker 1: I'm not your mommy, I'm your daddy. I'm telling you

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00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: the way things are. It's going to take a politician

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00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: stepping up to the microphone and saying you are not safe.

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00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: Life is not safe. This virus is not going to

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Speaker 1: be gone tomorrow. It's not going to be on May first,

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00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: June first. Life first. And you know what, if history

618
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: is any indication we might have a second wave that's

619
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: worse than the first wave, we are going to do

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00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: everything we can to take the appropriate precautions. But you

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Speaker 1: have got to get back out there and live your life.

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00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: And you know how many politicians are going to say that,

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Speaker 1: let's start at zero and work our way up from there.

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Speaker 1: Even here in Texas where I live, Governor Abbott good governor,

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Speaker 1: happy with him. He's opening up? Right, who Texas is

626
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: opening up a kind of Abbot said, this is from

627
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: Texas Tribune dot org. First to open this is going

628
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Speaker 1: to be Friday retail stores, restaurants, movie theaters, and malls.

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Speaker 1: But they will only be allowed to operate at twenty

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Speaker 1: five percent capacity. Well, that's not opening, that's dipping your

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