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Speaker 2: Women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,

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Speaker 2: or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, zeph and

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Speaker 2: best start changing it with the Bechdel Cast.

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Speaker 3: Hey Jamie, Hey Caitlin, do you want to start a

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Speaker 3: little band with me?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Oh, unless uh there's a baseball player I can impress,

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Speaker 1: but twist. I love playing the baritone sacks.

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Speaker 3: And I love playing the trumpet.

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Speaker 1: This movie is so powerful that it got me through

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Speaker 1: some Barry Sacks related trauma. Whoa that I will be

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Speaker 1: over sharing in a bit, please, but I really for

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Speaker 1: years I've hated to test to despise the baritone sex

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Speaker 1: for what it baritone sex, bartones sacks, okay, for what

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Speaker 1: it's done. And actually that was a Fridian slip though

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Speaker 1: shortly makes sense there for what it did to my life. Mm,

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Speaker 1: and now I realize that it's actually a tool by

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Speaker 1: which women can come of age and empower themselves. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and so actually it's amazing when well did properly.

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Speaker 3: So true, so true. I don't have any saxophone related trauma. Brag,

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Speaker 3: thank you so much. And I was in jazz band,

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Speaker 3: and I don't have any jazz band related trauma.

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Speaker 1: You were in jazz.

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Speaker 3: Band, yeah, because even though I played the clarinet, not

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Speaker 3: to freaking brag my ass off, no go for it,

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Speaker 3: but I was so good as a sixth grade clarinet player. Okay,

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Speaker 3: the band teacher was like, you should be in jazz band,

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Speaker 3: even though we don't traditionally have clarinets in the jazz band, but.

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Speaker 1: It can be a jazzy instrument.

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Speaker 3: True. True, So I was like flattery, Yes, of course

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Speaker 3: I'll be in jazz band.

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Speaker 1: That's so cool. Wow, how prestigious, I know.

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Speaker 3: And then I quit a year later because I was like,

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Speaker 3: I'm too.

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Speaker 1: Cool for band. Wow. And not to drag you, but

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Speaker 1: you're not. I'm not. I was so wrong about that.

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Speaker 1: No one's too cool for band. Look at this movie.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know that now being a band is

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Speaker 1: maybe the I actually do think that this, and I'm

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Speaker 1: also so excited to talk about this movie and conversation

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Speaker 1: with my favorite movie ever, School of Wrong, where it's

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Speaker 1: just like going to music class will turn you into

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Speaker 3: Anyway. So today's movie is this Week Girls. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: remember right, my name is Caitlin Derante, comma amazing clarinet player.

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Speaker 1: Period. My name's Jamie loftis comma amazing obo player. But

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Speaker 1: that's not jazz relevant. Yeah, I almost played the clarity.

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Speaker 1: And this is again. I've been talking about SpongeBob so

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Speaker 1: much on the podcast recently. I think the episodes are

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Speaker 1: in elementary school, where they like show you all the

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Speaker 1: this is our show where we talk about your favorite

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Speaker 1: movies using an intersectional feminist lens, using the Bechdel test

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Speaker 1: as a jumping off point. But killing, what the hell

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Speaker 3: But you know, this is a movie with some commotion

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Speaker 3: There are many versions of it. The one that we

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Speaker 1: an incredible returning guest.

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Speaker 3: We absolutely do. She is a writer, translator, and host

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Speaker 3: and producer of Sparkle Side Chats podcast. It's Ayomi she Nozaki. Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 3: welcome a man.

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Speaker 4: I'm so so so glad that I got the chance

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, We're so happy to have you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and thank you for bringing us this movie. Holy cow. Like,

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Speaker 1: if you are listening and you haven't seen this movie,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna be in such a good mood. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: be in the best mood ever. We're covering Swing Girls

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Speaker 1: two thousand and four, and yeah, amy you this movie.

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Speaker 4: Sure? Yeah? So Swing Girls? Well, actually, when I first

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Speaker 4: other podcasts I'm coming out with soon, but like, this

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Speaker 1: M Yeah, I didn't realize that this is this seems

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I guess that this really hits because it's

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Speaker 1: I was not familiar with this movie. I saw when

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Speaker 4: This is a movie, Jamie. You have to write this

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Speaker 3: Yeah it's swing girls and a boy, which he writes

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Speaker 3: I think you can say, yeah, it's true, Yeah, swing

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Speaker 1: You actually love to see it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what happens in Swim Girls? I can't wait to

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Speaker 3: Yes, Okay. So we open on a group of high

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Speaker 4: And he doesn't say anything, he just notices and keeps

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, which is always what a pre bot. I

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Speaker 4: half was like, no, but we actually are here to

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Speaker 4: learn Latin because we're very serious about it.

435
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: Everyone else is like suete omnes, Wow, that's all I

436
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 1: remember that.

437
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, hello, I learned how to play Egyptian rat screw

438
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 4: in Latin class. I don't think that was part of

439
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 4: the curriculum.

440
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: I know, I really I we took Latin in middle

441
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 1: school and high school as well, and I was like

442
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: I should have been forced to take a Spanish class.

443
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: Like all I know how to say to this day

444
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: is stupid boy, futu is poer because that was the

445
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: only time I used it. Yeah, it was just a

446
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: yell at boys. Very important in any case, we.

447
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 3: See these girls being made to join the band Slash.

448
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 3: They're pretty willing to do it because, yeah, it gets

449
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 3: them out of their math class. Also joining the band

450
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 3: is this like pretty shy, quiet girl named Kaori, as

451
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 3: well as two like punk girls who play bass and guitar,

452
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 3: Yuka and Hirom. And they all get together and everything

453
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 3: is chaos because the girls are all goofing around. Most

454
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 3: of them don't know how to play the instrument or

455
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 3: how to read music. Brass bands don't even have guitars

456
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 3: and basses. And Takua is like, well, maybe we're not

457
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 3: a brass band. Maybe we're a jazz band. And I'll

458
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 3: play piano because even though he sucks at symbols, he's

459
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 3: a good piano player. So the girls start learning their instruments.

460
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 3: Tomako on tenor saxophone, Yoshi on trumpet, Naomi on drums,

461
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,959
Speaker 3: and Krie on trombone.

462
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 1: Naomi on drums is so iconic.

463
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, incredible two thousand and four wig on her by

464
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 4: the way, just yes, oh my gosh.

465
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: The helmet wigs like incredible, but there is nothing There

466
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: is still nothing cooler in the world than a girl

467
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 1: who drums. It's just a.

468
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 4: Fact, you know, true.

469
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 3: And then after a like training montage of them getting

470
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 3: into shape because the girls have low lung capacity and

471
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 3: they can't even blow into their instruments, so they're like running,

472
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 3: they're blowing on tissues against a window, they're sucking air

473
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 3: out of bottles, like basically everything besides learning how to

474
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 3: play their instruments.

475
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: Yes, very much. Yeah, this movie is not afraid to

476
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: get silly. It is so silly.

477
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the girls are frustrated at first, but soon

478
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 3: they start improving at their instruments, but they also still

479
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 3: suck pretty bad. And there's this baseball game coming up

480
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 3: that they're supposed to play at, and for a while

481
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 3: it seems like the stakes of the movie are like

482
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 3: we have to help the baseball team win their game.

483
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 3: But just then the other band shows up, the ones

484
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 3: who got food poisoning, and they're like, we're better now,

485
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 3: we'll take back over, and the girls are like, fine,

486
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 3: by me. This will all just to get us out

487
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 3: of doing that math class. So Tomoko Yoshi, Naomi, Carrie

488
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: and the others give their instruments back to the band

489
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 3: and they leave. But it turns out they actually loved

490
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 3: being in the band and they're very upset not to

491
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 3: be playing anymore. There's a scene where they're all walking

492
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 3: and like sobbing and wailing. It's very funny.

493
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: It's a lot, but it's so sweet where it's like

494
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: and that's like so teenager, too depic I don't care

495
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: who gives a shit, And the second you step out

496
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: of the room first like you're like, yeah, I did

497
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: that a lot.

498
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 4: Yes, these are the most realistically betrayed teenage girls like.

499
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: Ever, yes, you're like, no, this sucks. I actually hated it.

500
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: And then they also go to the baseball game that

501
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 3: they were supposed to play at that the like you know,

502
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 3: the brass band is now playing at and the whole

503
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 3: thing is a flop, and then school.

504
00:27:59,000 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: Starts back up again.

505
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 3: The girls are still sad that they're not in the band,

506
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 3: so Tomako looks into buying a new saxophone, but they're

507
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 3: very expensive, so she sells her computer and her little

508
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 3: sister's gaming system so that she can use the money

509
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 3: to buy a used saxophone at a pawn shop. God

510
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 3: and then she goes to the other girls to encourage

511
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 3: them to buy their own instruments, but no one really

512
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 3: has any money to do that except for Takuo, who

513
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 3: has already bought his own keyboard. And there's comments about

514
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 3: how like, ooh, good for you, you come from a

515
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 3: rich family.

516
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: I really like it. We'll talk about like how classes

517
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: just like effortlessly sort of put into the plot of this.

518
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: I mean, even though this movie does feel very two thousands,

519
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: I feel like it avoids so many tropes that I

520
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: associate with two thousands teen movies. Yeah, another one just

521
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: like really but the fact that her kid's sister acts

522
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: like a kid's sister, where I feel like a lot

523
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: of American like Sun Dance round Coms had like Abigail

524
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: Breslin giving a Shakespearean monologue about like the nature of love,

525
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: and it was always really weird. Yeah. I was just like, no,

526
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: this child has had their gaming system stolen. They're gonna

527
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: yell I hate you, you know, like it yeah makes sense.

528
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we never see the sister again, but I'm

529
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 4: sure she's gonna feel like that kind of you know,

530
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 4: spite for the rest of her life because oh totally yeah.

531
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: Because that's what sisters are supposed to do.

532
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 3: Yes, So in order to earn money to buy instruments,

533
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 3: the girls get a job at a grocery store, but

534
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 3: they're goofing around too much. They're kissing mannequins in an

535
00:29:53,080 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 3: elevator fun. They get fired after accidentally setting off this sprinklers.

536
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 3: So Tomoko, Yoshi, Naomi, and Kyrie and Takoo start another job,

537
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 3: which is gathering mushrooms on a mountain.

538
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: In Adida's tracksuits. Yeah, they're literally wearing like, oh my gosh,

539
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: what was the Jane Lynch character in Glee? I didn't

540
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: watch thee they're wearing. They're all wearing that outfit. Yes, yes,

541
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: Coach Sue, is that it Seue Sylvester. Yes, they're all

542
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: rocking to Seue Sylvester before Sue Sylvester.

543
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:38,479
Speaker 3: Was Yeah, it's true. So they're gathering mushrooms, but then

544
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,719
Speaker 3: they realize they're trespassing on private property and so they

545
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 3: run away, but then a wild boar starts chasing them

546
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 3: in one of the silliest scenes in the movie, and

547
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 3: then they accidentally kill the boar via Naomi falling from

548
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 3: a tree and landing on the boar's head, Oh my god.

549
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: This did either of you. I covered this on sixteenth minute,

550
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: and so immediately I was like, but the thirty to

551
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: fifty wild hogs, of course. Yeah. I immediately was like,

552
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: thirty to fifty wild hogs and here's one of them.

553
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: It's just I was like, wow, wild hogs. It's a

554
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: problem nation like globally. I didn't realize wild hogs was

555
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: a global issue that a twenty year old movie has

556
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: a goofy, high octane feral hog problem. Yeah.

557
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 3: And because of them accidentally killing this wild hog, the

558
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 3: teens are considered heroes because the bore, the hog whatever

559
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 3: it is, had been ruining the local farmer's crops amazing,

560
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 3: and so the teens aren't awarded money, which is what

561
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 3: allows them to buy some used instruments. But the instruments

562
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 3: they buy are pretty like and damaged and falling apart,

563
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 3: So they team up with the bass and guitar players

564
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 3: Yuka and Hiromi, who take them to a junkyard where

565
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 3: Yuka and Hiromi's ex boyfriend's slash former bandmates work.

566
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: Picture this. You show up at the junkyard and two

567
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: men who are weirdly obsessed with you and your friend

568
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: won't let you enter like bridge trolls until they recite

569
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: their horrible poetry. Yes, they really are behaving like it's

570
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: bridge troll behavior. And then they're doing.

571
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, they're like, babe, why'd you break up with me?

572
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: I still love you? And also the very two thousand's

573
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: plot point that they are pivoting from punk to bad

574
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: folk music. Absolutely you're like ooh two thousand and four.

575
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because then they play them a song that

576
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 3: these teen boys wrote and then they finally fix the

577
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 3: girls instruments, and then they like officially form their band

578
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 3: called Swing Girls.

579
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: Hey, that's the name of the movie.

580
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 3: They play a few small gigs which are mostly just

581
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 3: like on the street in the neighborhood or outside of

582
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 3: a grocery store, and they still suck and they play

583
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 3: all out of rhythm, and afterward Carie talks to a

584
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 3: mysterious man who tells them that they need swing, they

585
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 3: need to be more in rhythm with each other. So scary,

586
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 3: so everyone chases after the man for more help and advice,

587
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 3: and he turns out to be their summer math teacher,

588
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 3: mister Ozawa, who is a jazz officionado, and the teens

589
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 3: think that he knows how to play and that he

590
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 3: can teach them, but his big secret is that he

591
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 3: can't play at all. He's learning, but he's terrible, but

592
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 3: he doesn't let them know this, and he ends up

593
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 3: being their conductor.

594
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: He kind of has I like wrote this down. I

595
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 1: was like, this isn't quite right, but like he does

596
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: have like redditor kind of energy right, where like he's

597
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: really like he's really interested, but he has no skill, right,

598
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: and he's kind of mean, and these are all qualities

599
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: of redditors, passion, cruelty, inability to follow through right, right,

600
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: but he still.

601
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 3: Inspires the group to think and play more like jazz musicians. Yes,

602
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: and there's this fun little sequence where they're like clapping

603
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 3: along to the music from like traffic signals and ping

604
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 3: pong games and like people beating their laundry.

605
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: I love that sequence where all of a sudden, jazz

606
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: is everywhere, like it's really beautiful.

607
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 4: Yes.

608
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, So then they play outside the grocery store again,

609
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 3: and this time they're good, and the dozen or so

610
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 3: other girls from the summer class who had previously quit

611
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 3: the band to go shopping and hang out with the

612
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 3: baseball team and stuff. They see the swing girls play

613
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 3: and they rush out to buy instruments so they can

614
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 3: rejoin the band. Then we cut to wintertime. The band

615
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 3: learns about this student musical competition.

616
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: Festival, and now it's going like kind of school of

617
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: Rock vibes here, You're like, okay, it's kind of a

618
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: battle of the band situation happening.

619
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 3: Right, And to enter, they must submit a video audition tape,

620
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 3: so they film themselves playing, which is followed by them

621
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 3: having a snowball fight because these kids love goofing around.

622
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 6: Their kids, And the movie realizes that, right, I mean,

623
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 6: and all of the best, like teen or comedies for

624
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 6: kids have that very simple ask of like kids that

625
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 6: are actually acting like kids and making mistakes that make

626
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 6: sense for kids and aren't.

627
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: Like plotty or weirdly adult or whatever the fuck else. Yeah,

628
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 1: for sure.

629
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 3: So a few days later, after they've filmed their audition,

630
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 3: Tomako realizes that she forgot to send in the audition tape,

631
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 3: so she rushes to mail it, hoping it's not too late. Meanwhile,

632
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 3: Yoshi works on hitting a high note on her trumpet,

633
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 3: which she's finally able to do because a rat crawls

634
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 3: on her and she's like.

635
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: With her trumpet, and then I immediately thought, Okay, Remy

636
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: the rat rat Timber, like we've talked about, wrote it

637
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 1: so much on the show that I no longer flinch.

638
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, roll that, get the camera out.

639
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: This is a Pixar movie. Pixar movies are documentaries exactly,

640
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: so that's happening.

641
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 3: Also, Taco finds out that mister Ozawa cannot play music,

642
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 3: so their teacher quits being their conductor. He's ashamed and

643
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 3: he's like, I'll step away. Then Tomaco receives word from

644
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 3: the music festival that their band submitted their audition tape

645
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: too late and all the spots are full, and Tomaco

646
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 3: is too ashamed to tell anyone else. So the whole

647
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 3: band gets ready for and heads to the festival thinking

648
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 3: that they're going to play, and they're on the train,

649
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 3: but that gets delayed due to bad weather and like

650
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 3: a tree falling across the tracks.

651
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: Various hijinks.

652
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 3: Yes, a lot of train related hijinks in this movie.

653
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: True. Yeah.

654
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 3: But then the other band, the original brass band, the

655
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 3: one who got food poisoning, rescues the swing Girls and

656
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 3: tells them that a spot opened up at the festival.

657
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 3: And lets them ride on their brass band bus. So

658
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 3: the swing girls show up at the festival at the

659
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 3: last minute. They're disheveled, they've forgotten their uniforms, their instruments

660
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 3: are cold, they don't have a conductor. No one in

661
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,919
Speaker 3: the audience is taking them seriously. But then they start

662
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 3: playing and they're really good. And then mister Ozawa shows

663
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 3: up and starts conducting them from like the back of

664
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 3: the room. Our friends do various solos. The audience loves it,

665
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 3: and that's the end of the movie.

666
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: I love it, love it so good.

667
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 3: So let's take a quick break and we'll come back

668
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 3: to discuss.

669
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: Burber Ber.

670
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 4: So I have a surprise for you guys.

671
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you pull out a barysax.

672
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 4: Did you know that this movie can be connected to Shrek?

673
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 2: No?

674
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: Tell us everything, walk us threat, We're open.

675
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 4: So mister Ozawa's actor actually is the dub voice actor

676
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 4: for Puss in the Shrek movie.

677
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: WHOA, that is great, And now that you've said it,

678
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: I see it. That's so cool. Yeah, wow what of

679
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: what rain?

680
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, he's like I mean a lot of the

681
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 4: adults in this movie like they were big actors. They

682
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 4: have been big actors since a lot of the teenagers

683
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 4: because these are teens playing these teens, a lot of them,

684
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 4: you know, they have careers on and off whatever, but

685
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 4: none of them have like super huge careers, et cetera. Okay,

686
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 4: so like you know, but that's like super super common honestly.

687
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, as far as like the adults go, like,

688
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 4: he's a he's a huge actor, and that's one of

689
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 4: his things. He doesn't do a lot of dubbing, but yeah.

690
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: How I'm also saying that his other major dubbing role

691
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: was Nick Fury in all of all of the Marvel movies. Wow. Yeah, incredible.

692
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 3: He's also in the Happiness of the Kategoris, a movie

693
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 3: that I have mentioned on the podcast before, a cuckoo

694
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 3: bananas movie. Ami, have you ever seen it?

695
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 4: I have not seen that particular movie.

696
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: No.

697
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 3: I never know how to describe it because partly I

698
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 3: forget what it's about and partly it's just so bananas.

699
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: When did you see it?

700
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 3: I saw it in college. Okay, we'll put.

701
00:40:59,440 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: A pin in that.

702
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 3: I'll try to find a log line and describe it.

703
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 3: But it's a very wild movie. But anyway, he gives

704
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 3: a great performance in Swing Girls, yes, as do everyone.

705
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: I really appreciated that the two teacher. Again comparing this

706
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: to School of Rock, which is my favorite movie ever

707
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: but a flawed movie that maybe disproportionately focuses on the teachers.

708
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: And this movie, I think I was really pleasantly surprised

709
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: at Ozawa's arc that he had an arc, because he

710
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: appears as like at the beginning, as a very you know,

711
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: kind of stock character that checked out teacher, and so

712
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: giving him multiple beats of an arc of like, oh,

713
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: there's more to this guy, because he's a jazz afish

714
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: nado and also he sucks at it. And also he

715
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 1: has this like small arc that is mostly just communicated

716
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,479
Speaker 1: in the performance of like he finds that he does

717
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: love teaching or you know, we don't know, maybe he

718
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: used to love it and then fell out of love

719
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: with it, who knows. But I really like that, and

720
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: I like that. I also is expecting, again because I

721
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: was just projecting other early two thousands movies onto the

722
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: dynamics of this movie, that the other music teacher who

723
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: does the brass band Yayotami, that she would end up

724
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: being antagonistic, but instead she is extremely supportive and is like, yeah,

725
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 1: this is great, which actually makes way more logical sense

726
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: than what we're used to seeing in American movies, where

727
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: it's like there's two teachers and there can only be one,

728
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: where it's like, if you know teachers, they're never not

729
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: grateful to have a second person who is like working

730
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,959
Speaker 1: towards a common goal with them. And it just felt

731
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: like they were in the movie the exact appropriate amount,

732
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: and like that the girls were always at the center,

733
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: which you don't see enough in this format.

734
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 3: Totally.

735
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 4: There's even like that little hint of the romance that

736
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 4: like Ozaba clearly likes her, and like the only reason

737
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 4: why there were all those big band records in the

738
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 4: band room in the first place is because he was

739
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 4: giving them to her all the time and she didn't

740
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 4: even think about it, and everyone else was like, Okay,

741
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 4: this is very obvious what's going on here. But like

742
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 4: it doesn't like none of the romances like come to

743
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 4: any fruition or anything because they're not the focus of the.

744
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: Movie, right, which kind of like made me less bothered

745
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: by their presence. Where again, like in a movie that

746
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: comes out in two thousand and four, I kept waiting for,

747
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: like the romance between Tomaco and Takuo to take a

748
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: larger place in the plot, and it's referenced in like

749
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: I think, a very sweet, authentic way, but it never

750
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: becomes like I'm doing it for him, right, which is

751
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: I feel like what you see a lot in like

752
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: teen movies that I grew up watching. Mm hmm. Again,

753
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: it's just nice being like, oh, music brought them together,

754
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: but even if if it didn't, they would still both

755
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 1: love music.

756
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I wrote that down too. As

757
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 3: far as any like crushes or flirtations that were present

758
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 3: in the movie, they never really come into any fruition

759
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 3: or they're only hinted at, and the focus is always

760
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 3: the music and the friendships that develop, whether they be

761
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 3: between or among the girls, or the friendship between Tomako

762
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: and Takua. Like, yeah, it's just it's a focus on

763
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 3: just like camaraderie in this activity that they're all doing. Yeah,

764
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 3: and yeah, it's it's mostly girls in the band. You

765
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 3: love to see it.

766
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: There's nothing cooler.

767
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 3: There is the one boy who helps them, And I

768
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 3: thought it was interesting that it's written in such a

769
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 3: way the movie that the only boy is the one

770
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 3: who has all this prior music experience and knowledge, and

771
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 3: he becomes the kind of de facto leader of this

772
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 3: group of girls. Yeah, And I was like, Okay, well,

773
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 3: why couldn't it have been another girl who takes them

774
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 3: under her wing and leads them, which I would have preferred.

775
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's a small thing. Yeah, exactly, Like in

776
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: the large scale of how wonderful this movie is, you're like, okay,

777
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: you know it was two thousand and four, right, another

778
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: big you know. When I saw this setup of the

779
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: dynamic between like the popular girls who are richer, who

780
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 1: have nicer clothes, and who I think are like originally

781
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: in the Brass Band, I also love just like so

782
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: popular hot girls of course are in the Brass Band,

783
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: I was like, this is not a trope I'm familiar with,

784
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: but let's go with it. And they have. They're like

785
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: dripped out in all the most two thousand forest fashion

786
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: and the entire world. It's very like my wall covered

787
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: J fourteen stuff. But that instead of you know, because

788
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: this is the same year as mean girls of instead

789
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: of this really toxic dynamic. It starts that way, and

790
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: they do start by behaving I think kind of like

791
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: more stock popular bullies. But then when they realize that

792
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: what swing Girls is doing is really cool. They're like, oh,

793
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna sell all of our like Louis Vutan shit

794
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: and join the band. Like you're just like yeah, great.

795
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 4: Yeah. They're definitely like portrayed as like I don't know

796
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 4: if I would say that they're necessarily popular girls, like

797
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 4: they they seem to like they have, you know, the

798
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 4: modern sense of fashion everything, and.

799
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I just associate that with popularity.

800
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,720
Speaker 4: No, that's fair as fair I mean, and they probably

801
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 4: are at least kind of right, Like it's very clear

802
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 4: that's when the girls do meet like outside of the

803
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 4: summer school like that, there's like definitely like different dynamics

804
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 4: going on and stuff. But like for me, I think

805
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 4: more than being portrayed as po I think they're portrayed

806
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 4: more as like ditsy for the first part of the movie,

807
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 4: because like they're very quick to leave the band because

808
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 4: like only the main group actually gets kicked out of

809
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 4: the supermarket job just because you know, they they're the

810
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 4: ones that set off the sprinklers, right, and the other

811
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 4: girls are like, well, but we like we're gonna keep

812
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 4: working here. We don't have to quit just because you

813
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 4: guys got fired or whatever, which is like totally reasonable,

814
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 4: you know, and they're clearly already using the money they're making.

815
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 4: Now it's a little absurd to think that a supermarket

816
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 4: job as a teenager is gonna get you all those

817
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 4: designer goods. But that's another, you know, thing altogether. But

818
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 4: still like they're just like, okay, we're still doing our thing,

819
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 4: and you know, that's why they give up on it.

820
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 4: But of course they are inspired by the power of

821
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 4: jazz then they you know, they turn around. But I

822
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 4: think that it's it is definitely interesting that of course

823
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 4: it makes sense you're both comparing these two American teen movies.

824
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 4: So like for me, it was a very different experience

825
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 4: because I was comparing it more to what I already

826
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 4: knew of Japanese media, my expectations of it. Yeah, So like,

827
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 4: for example, a lot of media that especially is music centered,

828
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 4: so like idle media et cetera, that is about a

829
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 4: group of girls, it often doesn't have any boys in it.

830
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 4: But also there's a big difference in terms of how

831
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 4: this kind of media is marketed. So like this is

832
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 4: definitely a teen movie for teens, and you know, probably

833
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 4: primarily targeting teen girls, but the fact does a lot

834
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 4: of other stories that star teen girls aren't necessarily fourteen girls,

835
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 4: and so they're going to be portrayed a bit differently.

836
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 4: So there's there was that kind of comparison. So like,

837
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 4: for example, we didn't talk about it in the recap,

838
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 4: but there is like this one very short little scene,

839
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 4: this little kind of joke scene about I think it is, yeah,

840
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 4: Naomi getting like her skirt like breaking, because yes, like

841
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 4: she she is the fat character. So there is some

842
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 4: fat phobia in this movie, and that's kind of the

843
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 4: main issue with it.

844
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 1: Which honestly didn't even register for me because down yeah right,

845
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: I mean, and maybe that's like my naivete, but it also,

846
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: I mean, just brought me back to how rigid body

847
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 1: typing was and is now. But in the two thousand specifically,

848
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: where I can think of other movies where that's the

849
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: case too, where there's quote unquote the fat character and.

850
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 4: It they're not fat fin yeah, yes, yes, but she

851
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 4: is like the token she's the quote unquote fat character

852
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 4: in the movie. But yeah, so like there's a thing

853
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 4: where her skirt breaks, her her skirt falls down, and

854
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 4: so we see a boy who's biking nearby, like fall

855
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 4: down a hill, humble because he sees her under just

856
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 4: completely just wipes out and just keeps going and doesn't

857
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 4: say anything, and we never actually see the underwear on screen.

858
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 4: But like other Japanese media would not have done that,

859
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 4: They would have shown us that panty shot, if you will,

860
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 4: So I definitely for me, like that was huge for me.

861
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, somebody gets it. Somebody figured out you

862
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 4: can do this without being weird, like because there's a there.

863
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 4: It's not a lot of media, but there is some

864
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 4: media that does do this, Like I actually just recently,

865
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 4: I'm I'm in the middle of watching a Magical Girls

866
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 4: show from the eighties where like this is there's an

867
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 4: episode where this is a major blot point and they

868
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 4: show the underwear and it's like, we don't we don't

869
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 4: need to see it. It's not that hard, right.

870
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 3: I remember talking about this in the Spirited Away episode.

871
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 4: Yes, oh yes, not spirit Away, I think because you

872
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 4: guys asked me about the Kiki's delivery service.

873
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes, yeah.

874
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,439
Speaker 3: Where a lot of those movies and it's not sexualized now.

875
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 3: But it's like, why are we seeing all these shots

876
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 3: of like little girls underwear is a little jarring.

877
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a.

878
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 4: It's a weird thing. And yeah, a lot of times

879
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 4: it is not sexualized but ends up getting sexualized by

880
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 4: fans later on, which is the kind of main problem. Right, So, like,

881
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 4: for example, with it an animation, you have the cells, right,

882
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 4: like the actual physical pieces of like paper that or

883
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 4: plastic that have the drawings on them, those get the

884
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 4: ones with pannies get sold for a lot more money

885
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 4: because people are free.

886
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: I hate to hear that.

887
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 4: Yes, I know, I'm so sorry, but like so yeah,

888
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 4: so for me watching this movie and seeing a scene

889
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 4: like that, it was like, okay, good so somebody has

890
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 4: figured out that this and it's like twenty years ago,

891
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 4: we still usually we don't have this problem these days,

892
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 4: it's it's definitely been reduced, thank goodness, but it still

893
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 4: can be a problem depending on the target audience of

894
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 4: the media in question. And I'm trying to think of

895
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 4: something else, like there were like a small a lot

896
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 4: of small things like that that were like, oh yeah,

897
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 4: if this in other Japanese media, it might be a

898
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 4: little bit different. Oh. The other big thing for me,

899
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 4: it's not necessarily like an important aspect, but I do

900
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 4: believe it is Yoshi, right, the trumpet player, like her

901
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 4: thing with she has a crush on mister Ozawa and

902
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 4: tries to make a move on him, and it's like

903
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 4: very subtle, but like he very clearly immediately is like no, right,

904
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 4: and he's like he's clearly not interested for one thing.

905
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 4: He is he likes someone else obviously, but like a

906
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 4: worst movie or worst story would have something happened there.

907
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 4: So that like really stood out to me as well.

908
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 4: So like I was definitely seeing this in the grander

909
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 4: scope of like a lot of other Japanese media that

910
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 4: has a lot of issues with their teen stories.

911
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised that there was nothing majorly

912
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 3: problematic in this two thousand and four movie.

913
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, but we still see the girls are like, you know,

914
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 4: they're still definitely like you said, they're horny girls their teens.

915
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 4: They make out with the mannequin's. It's still one of

916
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 4: my favorite teams. Is just peak comedy for me.

917
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: It's so fun because you know, like.

918
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 4: I don't know any teen girl who wouldn't have done

919
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 4: that in.

920
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 1: That moment, right, Like right, that didn't feel like, oh

921
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: look how hot this is? It's like it's silly, right, yeah, exactly. Yeah,

922
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: I guess I'm curious. I was back and forth about

923
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: it because at the beginning you don't really see a

924
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: lot of like I think this movie kind of starts

925
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,720
Speaker 1: more of a slacker comedy and then becomes a different

926
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: thing as it moves on, and you very rarely see

927
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: slacker comedies that center girls, especially in American movies, where

928
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: slacker comedies like it's ninety percent seth broken sure, or

929
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: it was for a long time, right, Like, there's always

930
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: kind of a slacker of the moment, And so at

931
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: first I was like, Okay, like most of the girls

932
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: towards the beginning are being kind of portrayed as like lazy,

933
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: lay about kind of kids. But I do feel like

934
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: there is a like outside of the brass band, who

935
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: I feel like are more like we're you know, dorky,

936
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: upstart kids that everyone of all genders are kind of

937
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: portrayed that way. I don't know, I'm curious what you

938
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: think of it that.

939
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think, Well, one thing I find really

940
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 4: interesting is that there's clearly the kind of hierarchy where

941
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 4: obviously our hour swing girls are you know, somehow below

942
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 4: the brass band, but the brass band is very clearly

943
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 4: below the baseball team, right or like the jocks, right,

944
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 4: And so it's like we see that dynamic play out,

945
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 4: so like there's these different levels to it, but like

946
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 4: who knows if those the baseball team is actually cool

947
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 4: or not? Right, It's very interesting and again it's just

948
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 4: like also just portrayed like this is clearly like a

949
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 4: kind of smaller town scenario. There's probably only one supermarket, honestly,

950
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 4: and uh, in general, the just like the different dats

951
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 4: again like with class and everything, like the cost of

952
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 4: things and everything just like super made sense for like

953
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,919
Speaker 4: the honestly not even like a super like you don't

954
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 4: have to actually be like a super poor family for

955
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 4: stuff like a PlayStation too to be expensive or whatever. Yeah,

956
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 4: I just love like the detail of the computer is

957
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 4: so funny because like Tomoco is so like cannot be

958
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 4: bothered to figure out how it works that she like

959
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 4: clearly like drew all over it or whatever.

960
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 3: You put stickers on it or something.

961
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then her whole family is like, Tomoco, what

962
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: the fuck is like.

963
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 3: That was expect have yes, yes, but that's part of

964
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 3: her arc where Yeah, to your point, Jamie about like

965
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 3: slacker comedies, I wrote down like visibility of girl mediocrity

966
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 3: right totally. It's really refreshing to see because and they

967
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 3: don't stay mediocre. They get good at their instruments, but

968
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 3: it's only because they discover this passion they have for

969
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 3: music and they practice and work really hard at it.

970
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: And also it's like connected to the fact that they

971
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: are not being like I'm trying to think of the

972
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: less weird word, but like they're not being like stimulated

973
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: at school at all. Like look at the summer program

974
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: they're in with and like, of course, you know, thankfully

975
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: their teacher as Awa, like he ends up kind of

976
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: waking up. But it seems like so much of their

977
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: slacker energy is like made out to be like a

978
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 1: personal fault when it's like, well, there's a lot of

979
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: reasons that could be happening, one of which is your kid,

980
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 1: and like it also doesn't seem like they're being given

981
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: a very like any sort of meaningful outlet for their energy. Yeah,

982
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: and then the ones that the outlets that exist, and

983
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: this is true for kids everywhere, Like a lot of

984
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: the outlets that exist there is like a financial threshold

985
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: and like a barrier to entry, which this movie like

986
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: is not afraid of talking about, but is also not

987
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: like we're stopping the movie to talk about something very serious,

988
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: which is like cool, yes.

989
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then again for a Tomaco like, her arc

990
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 3: is that she starts out by never finishing the things

991
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 3: she starts like she got the computer, and I think

992
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 3: maybe there's different other mentions of an activity that she

993
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 3: started and that her parents spent money on, and then

994
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 3: they're resentful because she never followed through on it, and

995
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 3: they get on her case for never finishing anything. So

996
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 3: when she asks for money for a saxophone, they're like, no, oh,

997
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 3: you're just gonna, you know, drop that after a few weeks. Also,

998
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 3: but this is actually something she follows through on, and

999
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 3: I thought that was just a really that's a very

1000
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 3: normal arc for a teen or a kid to go

1001
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 3: through where you know you don't know who you are yet,

1002
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 3: you don't know what you're interested in. You explore different

1003
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 3: things and some of them you find out you don't

1004
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 3: like after all, And unfortunately that is expensive, but it's

1005
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 3: very normal, and I feel like you don't even get

1006
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 3: to see that explored for characters who are women and

1007
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 3: girls because their arcs are so often like a romantic

1008
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 3: arc or some other thing that just like doesn't there's

1009
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 3: no interest in exploring, like what's a pretty standard thing

1010
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 3: that a teen girl might go through, oh, discovering like

1011
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 3: trying to discover what your extracurricular interests are or your

1012
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 3: artistic pursuits, because again, they're so often tied to some

1013
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 3: like romantic storyline and not that those are inherently bad.

1014
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 3: And I really like again the way that the like

1015
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 3: flirtation between her and Takul is represented, because it's not

1016
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 3: you know, there's a flirtation between them, but they don't

1017
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 3: like get together at the end and have some big

1018
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 3: cinematic kiss.

1019
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: It's what we are always saying we want to see

1020
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: in yeah movies, where it's like that romantic interest is

1021
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: an element of her life, it is not the all

1022
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: consuming thing totally. I'm super corny with stuff like this,

1023
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: but just seeing them all become collectively excited in the

1024
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: second act of like, oh my god, music is awesome,

1025
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: let's talk about it, Like I was like, oh so nice.

1026
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, we do actually have I feel like, because things

1027
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 4: like club activities are so important for teens, and I

1028
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 4: think part of why these girls at the beginning are slackers,

1029
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 4: is because they haven't found that thing yet. Right, So,

1030
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 4: like when you're in a Japanese school, clubs usually meet

1031
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 4: not like for example, like once a week or whatever,

1032
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 4: it's usually like every day. Often you'll come to school

1033
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 4: on the weekends to do like one more thing or whatever.

1034
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 4: Like it's very very invested. And also it's it's a big,

1035
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 4: big thing because a lot of schools require that like, Okay,

1036
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 4: if do you want to be in this club, you

1037
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 4: have to have a certain level of grades, right, So

1038
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 4: like it's a it's encouraged because kids finding that like

1039
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 4: interest will help them. And depending on the school, you

1040
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 4: can really do anything. Like I didn't get to go

1041
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 4: to a Japanese high school, but my spouse did and

1042
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 4: they were in bookkeeping club.

1043
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: Oh incredible, right, so you.

1044
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 4: Can find passions about whatever. It's really interesting to see

1045
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 4: like and then yeah, I depending on how you know

1046
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 4: popular your club is whatever, that will affect how much

1047
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 4: funding you can get and all of that, and like

1048
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 4: it's all it's one of those things like help kids

1049
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 4: prepare for adulthood or whatever. But like hobbies, etcetera are

1050
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 4: like such a big thing that like a lot of waves,

1051
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 4: and this movie is one of those of like things

1052
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 4: that like a bunch of teenagers and japan get into

1053
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 4: are often inspired by a piece of media, whether it

1054
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 4: be like a whatever sport is popular at the time

1055
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 4: or what have you, and so like this obviously just

1056
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 4: helped blow chazz blew up for teens because this made

1057
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 4: jazz cool and uh yeah, so like in terms of

1058
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 4: the story, like these girls were looking for something, and

1059
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 4: also obviously Takuo was also trying to find something because

1060
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 4: he was clearly unhappy playing the symbols kind of okay

1061
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 4: in the Brass band, because the hierarchy in the band

1062
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 4: in that band was such that he just was clearly

1063
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 4: like at the lowest rung as well.

1064
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's.

1065
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, the joys of finding that thing that you

1066
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 4: become passionate about is that is a very common storyline

1067
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 4: in a lot of Japanese media featuring teens, I think.

1068
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 3: Nice in the US, it's what evil bet can a

1069
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 3: man teen boy?

1070
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 4: We still have those two, don't worry, we have a

1071
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 4: lot of We have all the all the same trash meat. Yeah,

1072
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 4: for sure still exists in Japan, don't you worry. But yeah,

1073
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 4: just like there's a little bit more. I think there

1074
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 4: are more variations on like different kinds of stories because

1075
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 4: teens are respected more as a target demographic in Japanese media.

1076
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 3: In my personal opinion, yeah, I also was pleasantly surprised

1077
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 3: at the way that Takoo interacts with the other because

1078
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 3: he's like the soul boy among a large group of

1079
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 3: girls that keeps getting bigger throughout the movie.

1080
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 4: Yes he is the and a boy.

1081
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: Yes he's the token boy.

1082
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 3: And again he's in this position of kind of I

1083
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 3: guess power, not that you know, he's in a leadership

1084
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 3: position over them in the sense that he has this

1085
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 3: prior experience. He sort of wrangles them and like he's

1086
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 3: their coach when he's trying to get them into shape

1087
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. But it's so rare to see

1088
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 3: a like singular boy or teenage boy or man surrounded

1089
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 3: by a group of women or you know, people of

1090
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 3: marginalized genders. And if you do see that, you would

1091
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 3: generally see, at least in Western media, the man or

1092
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 3: the boy feeling super emasculated by being surrounded by so

1093
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 3: much feminine energy, and that he would be degrading and

1094
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 3: or condescending to them.

1095
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: Which he can. He can be condescending to them.

1096
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 3: He is a little bit here and there.

1097
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, when he's like, you guys can't even breathe, right, Like,

1098
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 1: he can be kind of condescending.

1099
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was. Definitely. He wasn't very mean at the

1100
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 4: beginning for sure, right yeah. Yeah, but he was also

1101
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 4: like very much thrown into that leadership role by the

1102
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 4: food poisoning incident and it was those girls fault, so

1103
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 4: I could understand him having a little animosity in that moment.

1104
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: I agree. I think we have the proper context for it,

1105
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: and the fact that like as time goes on and

1106
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: the girls become more and more invested in swing girls,

1107
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: when he tries to buy I mean, there's like that

1108
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: great scene that I feel like you get the like

1109
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 1: sort of juiciest class commentary of the movie where you know,

1110
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: it's like the conversation about buying instrument secondhand, and Takua

1111
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: is talking about, like, well, why don't you just get

1112
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: second hand? It's not that hard, and they're like, oh cool,

1113
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: with what money? With what money? With what money? And

1114
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: like so they also, like the girls never hesitate to

1115
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: push back once they feel confident that like this is

1116
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 1: something we are committing to and like it's one thing

1117
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: to talk down to us when we don't give a shit,

1118
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,919
Speaker 1: but now we do, and like shut up and he does,

1119
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 1: and he like takes that feedback, which I don't know,

1120
01:03:57,560 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: it's like it works.

1121
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, And an act of solidarity, he goes mushroom picking

1122
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 3: with them, even though he doesn't need to buy a

1123
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 3: new instrument. He already has one, but.

1124
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: He gets it his so Sylvester suit right along with

1125
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: the rest of them.

1126
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:16,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, and it's you know, this is a little thing.

1127
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 3: But it's not like he has to save them from

1128
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 3: the hog. You know, he's being chased along with them.

1129
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 3: So I feel a lesser movie would have him be

1130
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 3: the one who defeats the wild animals. He's the man

1131
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 3: and they're the girls who need to be protected. But

1132
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 3: nothing like that.

1133
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 1: It's such a funny twist too. Yeah, it's so good. Yes,

1134
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to just really quickly and I have done

1135
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: very very cursory research on this, so if people listening

1136
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: and if people on the call no more than me,

1137
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: please pick up. But I was really interested where like

1138
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: two thousand and four in my mind, and then I

1139
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: like went back to sort of cross verify this was

1140
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: I feel like a huge moment in the US for

1141
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: a prob creating Japanese culture, like oh yeah, this is

1142
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: the year of Gwen Stefani Harajuku girls, like yes, yes,

1143
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 1: So I thought it was interesting. I was like, okay,

1144
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: so here is not the inverse of this because it

1145
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: is nowhere near you know, the same thing, but a

1146
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: Japanese movie about a group of Japanese teenage girls getting

1147
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: really excited and into this black American art form. And

1148
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: I was interested into like how, like what Japan's relationship

1149
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: with jazz is. I got a little bit of information.

1150
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: I just wanted to share it. If people know more,

1151
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: please let me know more. And I'm pulling this from

1152
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: a scholarly journal Wikipedia. But the two papers that this

1153
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 1: has been built off of are Jazz Journeys to Japan

1154
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:51,439
Speaker 1: The Heart Within by William Minor and Blue Nipon Authenticating

1155
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 1: Jazz in Japan by Taylor Atkins. So just for some

1156
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 1: fun context, I guess we're not actually not fun context,

1157
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 1: but context nonetheless is that jazz came to Japan mostly

1158
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: through like Transpacific ocean liners, often from American occupying forces,

1159
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 1: but also from Filipino artists who were then occupied by America.

1160
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: So it's like a story we're very familiar with where

1161
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 1: this art form is proliferating because of colonialism essentially. But

1162
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 1: once jazz gets to Japan in the nineteen tens, it

1163
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 1: becomes very popular. It is banned in the nineteen forties,

1164
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 1: but it doesn't work really because at that point there

1165
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: is a whole sort of culture around Japanese jazz.

1166
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 4: And to be fair, a lot of things were getting

1167
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 4: banned in the nineteen forties in Japan, so.

1168
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: Right, and not for no reason. But I did think

1169
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 1: it's interesting that like this specifically black American art form

1170
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 1: has such wide reach and is I think, like so

1171
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: lovingly hell in this movie that comes out in two

1172
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: thousand and four, where in America we are absolutely you know,

1173
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: decimating Japanese culture and whitewashing it like it's no one's business.

1174
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just I would like to learn sort

1175
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 1: of more about that story because obviously it's a very

1176
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: complicated one.

1177
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I haven't read those works,

1178
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 4: I can't speak directly to it myself, but certainly, like

1179
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 4: in general, I mean, even now, jazz is definitely more

1180
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 4: associated with older people anyway. But sure, I think from

1181
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 4: my experience it's been always like I guess one of

1182
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 4: the things about this movie is they do name drop

1183
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 4: some you know, like big people of jazz and all

1184
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 4: of that, but I find that like they don't really

1185
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 4: like show them so much, so you could I imagining,

1186
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 4: like as a Japanese viewer end up not really learning

1187
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 4: about jazz history from this movie, which you know, it doesn't.

1188
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 4: It's not that kind of movie, So that's kind of fine.

1189
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 4: But I do think that it is important to acknowledge

1190
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 4: that there is like the kind of default of foreigners

1191
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 4: even today is still like white people, especially white Americans,

1192
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 4: So you know, there could be a way to incorporate

1193
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 4: things and like one thing about this movie and like, honestly,

1194
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 4: it's you could do this conversation with like all kinds

1195
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 4: of Japanese media, but like the issue of the lack

1196
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 4: of diversity in Japanese media, there is this prevailing myth

1197
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 4: that Japan is like an almost an f no state

1198
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 4: level of like being extremely one race. Like even Japanese

1199
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 4: people as a whole are not just one people, right,

1200
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 4: We have indigenous groups, we have you know, just like

1201
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 4: we stem from different ethnic groups et cetera. But also

1202
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,759
Speaker 4: like we have a ton of foreigners, but we don't

1203
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,480
Speaker 4: have the data for that because of how the Japanese

1204
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 4: system works. So like, if you want to become a

1205
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 4: Japanese citizen in Japan, you actually have to change your

1206
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 4: name to a Japanese wall so that like kind of

1207
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 4: system just in that way, like erasist people who are

1208
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 4: not ethnically Japanese who become Japanese in nationality and stuff

1209
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 4: like that. So like we do have a ton of

1210
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 4: people from like all over and we have of course,

1211
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 4: you know, mixed race folks are just myself, and we

1212
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 4: have people who are for example, black and Japanese. So

1213
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 4: it could have been and it would have been appropriate

1214
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 4: at the time to have like one of these kids

1215
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 4: maybe be mixed race or you know, have have like

1216
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 4: just even like a little bit of something when you

1217
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 4: have such a big group of girls. One of the

1218
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 4: things about the two thousands is that while it wasn't

1219
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,679
Speaker 4: about jazz music being super huge, but like we had

1220
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 4: one of the biggest pop stars in Japan at that

1221
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 4: time was a black and ethnically Korean Japanese woman named

1222
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 4: Crystal Kay who she's you know, she's still doing music now,

1223
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 4: but like the people are there, right, Like it's it's

1224
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 4: not hard to find, you know, the people to to

1225
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 4: help create the kind of diverse cast you might need,

1226
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 4: because yeah, that that is one thing that is a

1227
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 4: little lacking here. But like it's also like not necessarily

1228
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 4: the movie that would like focus on that. It's just

1229
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 4: like a small kind of possible grade. But it's like

1230
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 4: not exclusive to this movie. It's like a general Japanese

1231
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:12,719
Speaker 4: media problem for sure.

1232
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 3: Sure, And similarly, again, there aren't these hugely pervasive romantic

1233
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 3: storylines that are sweeping across the movie and drawing all

1234
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 3: the focus away from the band, But there are these

1235
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 3: little romances and flirtations here and there, but they're all hetero, yes,

1236
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 3: And I'm not surprised because in two thousand and four,

1237
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 3: at least the media that I'm most familiar with, which

1238
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 3: is you know, Western mostly American media, there was a

1239
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 3: huge reluctance to portray queer characters explicitly, or maybe there

1240
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:52,600
Speaker 3: was a small hint.

1241
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 1: Or if they were it was coded, it.

1242
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 3: Was coded, or they were the butt of a joke.

1243
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 3: So sure, you know, I'm not surprised by the lack

1244
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:03,719
Speaker 3: of representation in this movie from two thousand and four.

1245
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, you know, it's something worth noting for sure.

1246
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 1: But I guess just getting back to the strengths of

1247
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 1: this movie is it's I feel like a lot of

1248
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 1: movies say they're focused on friendship among teen girls, but

1249
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 1: then it actually isn't. It's folk Like I think, I again,

1250
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: I cannot I'm like compulsively comparing this to American movies.

1251
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 1: But John Tucker Must Die is a great example of that,

1252
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 1: where it's like the group of girls like become friends

1253
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 1: through this hatred of this guy, but it really is

1254
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: just a redemption arc for the guy. You're just like, ah, fuck,

1255
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 1: this movie actually delivers on the promise of the thrust

1256
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 1: of this movie is about teen girls for make a

1257
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 1: jazz band. That is what the movie promises, and that

1258
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 1: is what happens. And it makes you cry and they

1259
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 1: play Benny Goodman at the end, and then it ends

1260
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: on Nat King Cole like you're just like, yeah, it's

1261
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 1: the good ship. It's the good ship. It's like the

1262
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 1: feel goodiest movie that never feels like trite or forced.

1263
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:17,440
Speaker 3: I love that I've gotten you to say thrust No, Jamie.

1264
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 1: I know you've really rubbed off on me, rubbed off. Okay, yes,

1265
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 1: you thrust it off on me, and things are getting hardy.

1266
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,679
Speaker 3: I do kind of wish we got a little bit

1267
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 3: more specific about some of the friendships, like if we

1268
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 3: kind of honed in on a couple.

1269
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 1: Of them, Yeah, I agree, Yeah, and.

1270
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 3: Saw them connecting a bit more, maybe about something other

1271
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 3: than music, or just saw them kind of interacting in

1272
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 3: a more kind of intimate way.

1273
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 1: Or saw that. I mean, we really only and again

1274
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 1: this is like getting nitpicky because they weren't really thoughts

1275
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 1: I was having on my first viewing. The first viewing,

1276
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 1: I was just like whoo whoo. Yeah, but Tomako is

1277
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 1: the only character who we get insight into her home life,

1278
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 1: Like I think that there is room to get Like,

1279
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 1: if we really want to have these are our three

1280
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:15,879
Speaker 1: main girlies, I feel like we do need an insight

1281
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 1: to their home life or their life outside of the band,

1282
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 1: and that doesn't quite happen in this movie. Yeah.

1283
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:25,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Like it's a general friendship movie with girls,

1284
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 4: but we don't get a lot of one on one

1285
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 4: interpersonal stuff for sure.

1286
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. I would love to see just I mean, in

1287
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 1: general more Yoshi and Naomi especially Naomi Yesh, she's my fave. Yeah,

1288
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:39,599
Speaker 1: but you know again, I'm like grading this on a curve,

1289
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 1: on the two thousand and four curve, like really top

1290
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 1: marks all around, right, yes, and the fact that I

1291
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 1: had to check. But they end up forming like they

1292
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 1: have a seventeen piece full band, like they did the

1293
01:13:55,040 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 1: damn thing. Imagine coordinating seventeen teenagers to do something I

1294
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 1: cannot imagine. And and it didn't feel again like there

1295
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 1: was this like inherently capitalist message that was running through

1296
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 1: it too, because I feel like sometimes when you see

1297
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 1: young people find their passion, it's like and then they

1298
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 1: won the trophy where they got the thing, and it's

1299
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 1: like they harness their love and passion in order to

1300
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 1: sort of achieve this capitalist goal. School of Rock also

1301
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 1: famously gets around this because they lose the Battle of

1302
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:33,679
Speaker 1: the Band. They do not win.

1303
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't know, like it's I wouldn't say this

1304
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 4: is like a battle of the bands per se. It's

1305
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 4: more like a recital situation. I don't think there's like

1306
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 4: an actual competition here, right, but we still don't know

1307
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 4: like what the result the ending is the performance, and

1308
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 4: I think that's really good. It's perfect certainly there are

1309
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 4: other stories that would do would get to what happens next, right,

1310
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,839
Speaker 4: but like, yeah, I think that's honestly also really common.

1311
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 4: There's like the stories of Dean's doing their best is

1312
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 4: definitely a huge segment of Japanese media for teens. So like,

1313
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 4: I think that it makes sense that was kind of

1314
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:11,680
Speaker 4: the main focus of like and maybe not necessarily like

1315
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 4: like it's basically, they hear a bunch of obstacles and

1316
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 4: here's how they get overcome them to meet the final

1317
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 4: goal of just the basic thing of like performing and

1318
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 4: performing well clearly because like it's it's definitely it's very

1319
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:27,680
Speaker 4: effective because the way that we see their progress and

1320
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 4: like see them practicing, they don't necessarily always sound great.

1321
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 4: And that's also because these kids were really learning how

1322
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 4: to play these instruments, right, and then the final performance

1323
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 4: is like whow, I didn't know they got this good?

1324
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:40,600
Speaker 4: And it's very very satisfying.

1325
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 3: I know, Yeah, does anyone have anything else they'd like

1326
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 3: to talk about?

1327
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:52,480
Speaker 4: Oh, there's one thing, so the what's it called the

1328
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 4: Repair guys the Ex Boyfriend folk group. So the scene

1329
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 4: is definitely peak comedy because like the way that they

1330
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:03,480
Speaker 4: they definitely overemphasize the way they speak, but it's basically

1331
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 4: the Japanese equivalent of like speaking like they're in due

1332
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 4: to Wars, my car or something like that. But the

1333
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 4: thing about that that I didn't really notice, I think

1334
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 4: the first few times they watched, but like preparing for

1335
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:18,679
Speaker 4: this episode, I realized, we don't know how old these

1336
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 4: guys are, and I think they might be adults, like

1337
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 4: young adults, but adults. Yeah, So, like it's because they're

1338
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 4: they're working and have like more or less a more

1339
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 4: proper job than the like what we usually see teenagers have, right,

1340
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 4: but we see like we don't know exactly how old

1341
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 4: the teen girls are supposed to be, Like they're in

1342
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 4: high school, we don't know exactly what year, right, and certainly,

1343
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 4: like typically the way the Japanese system works, if once

1344
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 4: you start your your what would be your equivalent of

1345
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 4: senior year of high school, you're typically already eighteen. But yeah,

1346
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 4: that was just like something that like kind of stood

1347
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 4: out to me a little bit of like, well, these

1348
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:56,839
Speaker 4: girls in this band, the you know, guitarist and bassis,

1349
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 4: like we don't know exactly how old they are, and

1350
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 4: they were in this band with these two guys who

1351
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 4: are like secretly losers but they want to be so cool, right,

1352
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 4: and it's very funny. But like, yeah, like in hindsight,

1353
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 4: I was like, what was happening here, Like, yeah.

1354
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:14,600
Speaker 3: I didn't even consider that because I just kind of

1355
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 3: assumed that they were also in high school. But now

1356
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 3: that I think about it, I'm like, yeah.

1357
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess see, we don't explicitly know.

1358
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, teen boys don't usually learn how to use welding

1359
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 4: tools and stuff like that, so you.

1360
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 1: Know, right, unless there was a great shop class at

1361
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 1: this school.

1362
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 4: Highly doubt.

1363
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we don't ever see them at school, no,

1364
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 3: that's for sure. So yeah, now that you say it,

1365
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:42,560
Speaker 3: that could be potentially an upsetting, yeah situation.

1366
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, though the whole scenario, it's always shown that

1367
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:49,639
Speaker 4: like clearly the girls are the ones like in power,

1368
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 4: they're the ones that like they dump these guys, right,

1369
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 4: they're the ones that left the band, et cetera. Yeah,

1370
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 4: and these guys are like groveling at their feet basically,

1371
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 4: but like, yeah, it's definitely so it's it's a little

1372
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 4: bit of a weird situation for sure, but it's just

1373
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 4: like something like hmm, this is like the small thing that, like,

1374
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 4: I think they probably wouldn't have realized as opposed to

1375
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 4: for example, with you know, the crush on Misster Rozoa,

1376
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 4: that like it's like that's very clear, like wrong, and

1377
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 4: it's shown that way right the show and is like

1378
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 4: to not be you know, something to to move forward with.

1379
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 4: But with this one, it's just like, oh, maybe like

1380
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:24,680
Speaker 4: it could have been a situation like maybe they were

1381
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 4: all in high school when they started the band or

1382
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 4: something like that.

1383
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 1: Right, we don't know sure, right.

1384
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 4: So there could there could be ways for it to

1385
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 4: be like okay or whatever. And and I think that

1386
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 4: even now, like honestly, there would be people who wouldn't

1387
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:40,599
Speaker 4: necessarily like blink out the idea of like someone who's

1388
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 4: like young and like of college age, like dating someone

1389
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,759
Speaker 4: in high school whatever, like if it's only a few years,

1390
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 4: like that's kind of understandable, but like also just like yeah,

1391
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 4: against it. You know, we don't know the situation at all.

1392
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 4: It's not clear in the story.

1393
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 1: It's not clear. Yeah, I found those characters be like

1394
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 1: the one off jokes are funny, but it's like again,

1395
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 1: I just was like, I'm not familiar with this stock

1396
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 1: character because I am familiar with the like take me back.

1397
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:06,879
Speaker 1: But then I was surprised that they actually did help.

1398
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 3: Them, right.

1399
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 1: I was expecting them to be like malevolent and be like, no,

1400
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 1: you have to be my girlfriend again. But then they

1401
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 1: do help them. But then at the end they're like,

1402
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 1: but take me back. I was like, all right, I.

1403
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:23,680
Speaker 4: Don't know, right, they're still there. They're at the music festival. Yeah,

1404
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 4: with is.

1405
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 1: It like banner that says like take me back? Yeah

1406
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 1: I love you?

1407
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like it's actually it's very sweet, how like everyone

1408
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:32,760
Speaker 4: is there, even the supermarket people that fired them or

1409
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 4: in the audience. It's very silly.

1410
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, was there anything else? I love this movie.

1411
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 3: I'm so excited that I have it in my life now.

1412
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 4: Yes. Yes, with all the nidpicking that we've been doing,

1413
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 4: it's still like such a good movie.

1414
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 3: It's yeah, yeah, and as we've discussed, holds up far

1415
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 3: better than most media from two thousand and four. It's

1416
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:03,840
Speaker 3: not perfect, absolutely, but yeah, especially media centering teens, where yeah,

1417
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff usually goes really wrong from this era.

1418
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:13,719
Speaker 3: But yeah, there's not a whole lot to complain about.

1419
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it was. Every movie has its flaws, but

1420
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen this movie. You're going to be

1421
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 1: in such a good mood. I'm excited for you. Yes,

1422
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 1: and Amy, thank you so much for bringing this movie

1423
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:28,760
Speaker 1: to us, because yeah, like we didn't know it existed,

1424
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 1: and now it's going to be you know fully in

1425
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 1: the rotation of course.

1426
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 3: And it passes the Bechdel test very handily.

1427
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 1: Boy, howdy does it so much.

1428
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 3: Talk about jazz, about trumpets, etc.

1429
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 1: About computers that you're not using enough? Yeah? I think,

1430
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 1: like truly, if they had just changed Takua's character to

1431
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 1: be like a cool, older teen girl, it would be

1432
01:20:58,000 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 1: the perfect the perfect film.

1433
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't bring it up yet, but that movie

1434
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 3: that we covered a while back, We are the best,

1435
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:10,719
Speaker 3: That Swedish film about the like tweens, yes, who start

1436
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 3: a punk band in the eighties.

1437
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 1: Great double feature.

1438
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 3: And then and then top it off, if you want

1439
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 3: a triple threat, top it off with some Josie and

1440
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:19,760
Speaker 3: the Pussycats, Oh my god.

1441
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 4: Yes.

1442
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 3: And then if you need a palate cleanser, throw in

1443
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:23,560
Speaker 3: Spice World.

1444
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 1: Incredible, yes, and then School of Rock and then Full

1445
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 1: Monty and then by that point you're asleep. That's too

1446
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:32,759
Speaker 1: many movies to watch it around.

1447
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I would say, the Bechdel test is definitely

1448
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 4: for me, like a such a Western test that doesn't

1449
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 4: necessarily always work with Japanese media because again, like there's

1450
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 4: so much Japanese media that not only like there are

1451
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 4: shows that have no male characters in them, but the

1452
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 4: target audience is men, and so like talking about like

1453
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,719
Speaker 4: what isn't isn't feminist media, it's like so different in Japan.

1454
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 4: Like a lot of like Jeffy feminism like discussions and

1455
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 4: stuff are different in a way that I can't get

1456
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 4: into on a podcast like this, but not in for

1457
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 4: one episode anyway, but like, yeah, like you could have

1458
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 4: shows that like, like this movie is great barely even

1459
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 4: passes the reverse Bechdel test because I think the only

1460
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 4: characters that talk to each other that are guys are

1461
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 4: Takuo and mister Ozawa. But there are other shows and

1462
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 4: movies and so on that are like definitely more for

1463
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 4: the male gaze and only feature women. So like, well, okay,

1464
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 4: sure it passes the Bechdel test, but it's also still

1465
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 4: like very not good.

1466
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 1: I mean that's true of a lot of movies we

1467
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 1: cover too, Like I think it's ultimately a flawed metric.

1468
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, And We recently covered a couple movies about

1469
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 3: the prison industrial complex that feature predominantly men, such as

1470
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 3: Holes and Shashank Redemption. Yes, and even though there are

1471
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 3: hardly women on screen, especially in Shawshank Redemption, I mean,

1472
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 3: they still generated very interesting conversations. And it's not it's

1473
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 3: a like, as we always say, the Bechdel test is

1474
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:09,559
Speaker 3: a jumping off point. Yeah, sometimes it doesn't apply or

1475
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that a movie isn't exploring intersectional themes.

1476
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:15,719
Speaker 1: Or issues for sure.

1477
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,679
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, it's just a jumping off point.

1478
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 4: Yeah. Holes is definitely an interesting one for sure in

1479
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 4: that card.

1480
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. I mean it's just like it's not always

1481
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 1: going to be an applicable test because it wasn't designed

1482
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 1: to be so.

1483
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:33,760
Speaker 3: Totally so that you know what was though our nipple scale, yes,

1484
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 3: the Bechdel Test nipple scale where we rate the movie

1485
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 3: zero to five nipples based on examining it through an

1486
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 3: intersectional feminist lens. And this one gets pretty high marks

1487
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 3: from me. Look, give it like a four. You know,

1488
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:51,720
Speaker 3: we talked about the various things that pinged ever so

1489
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 3: slightly for us, but you know, nothing too major. I

1490
01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:01,720
Speaker 3: love that it is a focus on teen girls discovering

1491
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 3: something they're passionate about and forming like camaraderie and community

1492
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:14,599
Speaker 3: around that. There's no like unnecessary petty infighting among the girls.

1493
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:17,599
Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of like a lesser movie

1494
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 3: would also be like, well, there's a bunch of teenage

1495
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 3: girls together, so obviously they're going to be so petty.

1496
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 1: Well that's what I thought was gonna happen with the

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Speaker 1: Louis Vuitan girls. Basically reggae would become enemies, but they

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01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 1: instead join forces and then have a full band, And

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Speaker 1: you're like.

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Speaker 3: They so quickly change their mind.

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01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 1: They're literally like, oh got it.

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01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 3: They like show up. They see the swing girls, like

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01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:44,679
Speaker 3: when it's the whatever five or six of them playing,

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01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 3: they say, oh my god, this is so cool. I

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01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 3: want to be a part of this. They run to

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01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 3: the instrument store, they buy instruments, and they come back

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01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 3: while the swing girls are still playing. So it's been

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01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 3: a matter of minutes. They do it so quickly. They're

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01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 3: so enthusiastic about rejoining the band. So yeah, I love that.

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01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 3: And it's not as though there's not like moments of

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01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:12,640
Speaker 3: tension among them where they'll get, you know, maybe frustrated

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01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 3: with another person or impatient or whatever. But it's it's

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01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 3: never out of like pettiness. It's always contextualized, and it's

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01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 3: always fleeting, and it's yeah, just such a fun movie.

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01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 3: I love the absurdist, silly, goofy moments. And again, I

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01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 3: love that you see teen girls being bad at.

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01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 1: Something at first.

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01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 3: I love that you see them diligently working at it

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01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 3: and becoming better at something. I love that you see

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01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 3: them being goofy and silly and kissing mannequins and throwing

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01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 3: snowballs and all the goofy stuff that they do. It's

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01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 3: just such a refreshing fun movie.

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01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 1: It's super fun.

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01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:52,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's available on YouTube. It's also on Internet Archive,

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01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 3: but I couldn't figure out how to turn the subtitles on,

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01:25:56,080 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 3: so same, same, yeah, but yeah, if you don't know Japanese,

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01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 3: and if any listeners want to watch it with English subtitles,

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01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 3: you can easily do that on YouTube. So highly recommend

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01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 3: four nipples and I'll distribute them among the swing girls

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01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 3: I'm gonna meet either.

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01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like we've talked through, you know, the

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01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 1: places where this movie has like room to improve. But

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01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 1: I think again for using a two thousand and four Yardstick.

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01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 1: It's pretty fucking incredible, Like it's really.

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01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly, I would give it, like, adjusted for two

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01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 3: thousand and four inflation, I maybe even give it a

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01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 3: five nipples.

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01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:40,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, while there are, you know, valid criticisms of

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01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 1: swing Girls, it is hard to be too mad about

1540
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 1: most of them based on what a fun watch it

1541
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 1: is and how like again, it's like twenty years later

1542
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:56,600
Speaker 1: and a movie with this kind of joy and centering

1543
01:26:56,720 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 1: on teamgirls is still very rare, actually, like teen girls

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01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:03,760
Speaker 1: that you might actually meet in the world and not

1545
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 1: teen girls that you know. And I love a Diablo

1546
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:08,559
Speaker 1: Cody movie. But but but teen girls don't talk like that,

1547
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 1: you know, So it just still feels like a very

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01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 1: rare thing to this day. I just I love comedies

1549
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 1: about teen girls being passionate about something something to give

1550
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 1: it four nipples, and I am giving them all to Naomi.

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01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 1: She's my favorite. She can have her too, and then

1552
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 1: you know, do whatever she would, maybe two for the drums.

1553
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, Oh sure, I don't know. She's my

1554
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:33,599
Speaker 1: favorite character Anyimi, how about you?

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01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:36,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think for me, like, you know, because again,

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01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:39,600
Speaker 4: because it's two thousand and four, because it's a Japanese

1557
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 4: movie've in two thousand and four. I just love so

1558
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 4: much about this movie and like, yeah, all the little

1559
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 4: like nippicking flausas that are are like the same flaws

1560
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:49,160
Speaker 4: that are were in like basically everything else.

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01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 1: At that time exactly.

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01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:54,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, So yeah, I actually would say for me, this

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01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:56,680
Speaker 4: is a four point five hell yeah yeah, just like

1564
01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 4: everything is. It's just like so refreshing, such a standout film.

1565
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:03,800
Speaker 4: I can watch over and over. I don't know, I

1566
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 4: have no idea who translated the movie on YouTube because

1567
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 4: it's not an official translation, but they did, you know,

1568
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:12,559
Speaker 4: a pretty in stelled job that has made it, you know,

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01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 4: more accessible to everyone around the world. And I'm so

1570
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 4: glad for that because like it is a movie that

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01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 4: definitely more people should know about. And yeah, I just

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01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:25,600
Speaker 4: think it's it's just like such a such an incredibly

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01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 4: good time and still holds up even though it's still

1574
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:31,960
Speaker 4: varied two thousand and four. The technology and stuff, et cetera.

1575
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 4: Like I tried to imagine, you know, it's reboots and stuff.

1576
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 4: We have the same thing here that you know, it

1577
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 4: happens from time to time, and it's like, could they

1578
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 4: do it now? How would it look different. If they

1579
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 4: did the same thing, would they just set it in

1580
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 4: two thousand and four? Again, there's so many questions, but yeah,

1581
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 4: I just think that it's just a special thing that

1582
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 4: like I'm so I'm so glad exists. I'm so glad

1583
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:56,920
Speaker 4: it was, you know, such an acclaimed movie and an

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01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 4: awarded and nominated movie here in Japan and everything even so, yeah,

1585
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 4: like the only teenager in my life that I talked

1586
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 4: to recently has no idea what this is. She was

1587
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 4: just like, oh, that's from before I was born, And

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01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, why did you say that? Yeah, but

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01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 4: you know, that's I just think us it's the nature

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01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 4: of like teen media in Japan as it just comes

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01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 4: and goes. So yeah, yeah four for me.

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01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:23,439
Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for joining us. Yeah, and

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01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 3: tell us where people can follow you on social media,

1594
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 3: check out your work, and tell us about your new

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01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 3: upcoming podcast.

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01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:37,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course. So basically on most socials, I'm at iu.

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01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:40,040
Speaker 4: She knows personally that's a y U s H E

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01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:43,680
Speaker 4: K N O w S. And the podcast I have

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01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 4: been doing for the past five years, Sparko Side Chats,

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01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 4: is all about magical girls and we are going to

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01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:51,439
Speaker 4: be talking about Magical Girl Friendship Squad later this year.

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01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:52,519
Speaker 4: I'm very excited about that.

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01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, finally, wow.

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01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 1: Do I want to know? My gosh, people were so

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01:29:59,320 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 1: mean to that Shawan.

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01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 4: Oh, there's the discourse is very interesting. But anyway, yeah,

1607
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:09,400
Speaker 4: so magical Girls, Yes, we're probably never gonna stop talking

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01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:11,600
Speaker 4: about them, et cetera. I mean, god, with all the

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01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 4: shows coming out right now, I'm like overwhelmed. But yes,

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01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:17,080
Speaker 4: if you like magical Girls, even if you have never

1611
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:19,760
Speaker 4: watched a Magical Girl show in your life, it's still

1612
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:22,839
Speaker 4: a good fun time over there. There's something for everyone

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01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 4: for sure in that genre. And yes, on the socials,

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01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 4: you can find that at Magical Girl Iu or ayu.

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01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 4: And as for my new podcast I'm co hosting with

1616
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 4: my friends Aaron and Leon is called charm Point Radio

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01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 4: and it's all about idle media, so oh, you know,

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01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 4: basically the Japanese pop star. Though we are gonna try

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01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:44,759
Speaker 4: to cover other stuff from you know, around the world,

1620
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 4: it's just primarily Japanese. And you know, we're going to

1621
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:51,160
Speaker 4: the history of where the term idol got brought into

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01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 4: Japanese because that's from a French movie of all things.

1623
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 4: And just like looking at all kinds of variations of

1624
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:00,120
Speaker 4: this genre. TV shows for kids, TV shows for adults,

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01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 4: and all of.

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01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:03,440
Speaker 3: That jazz, all that jazz, yeah.

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01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 4: Well sometimes jazz.

1628
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 3: I hope we haven't covered all that swing.

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01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 4: All the you know, it is typically going to be

1630
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:13,520
Speaker 4: like you know, your pop music, etc. But the storylines

1631
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 4: are often very similar. But even with that formula, there

1632
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:19,760
Speaker 4: are so many variations and it's just such a fun time.

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01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:22,519
Speaker 4: So we go through all kinds of weird things. Sometimes

1634
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:26,719
Speaker 4: we get into stuff about horses and sports and whatever.

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01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 4: There's so many things in the idle genre as well,

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01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 4: so I'm really excited for that. We don't have the

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01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 4: official date of release yet, but it should be coming

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01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 4: out by the time you hear this, because it'll be

1639
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:41,280
Speaker 4: sometime in early June that we launch. But we already

1640
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:44,280
Speaker 4: have social media links up everywhere, so find us at

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01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:46,519
Speaker 4: chart Point Radio Amazing.

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01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:47,479
Speaker 1: And thank you again for joining us.

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01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:51,639
Speaker 3: Come back anytime I would love to, and you can

1644
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:56,840
Speaker 3: follow us mostly on Instagram as well as our Patreon

1645
01:31:56,960 --> 01:32:00,759
Speaker 3: aka Matreon, where you get two bonus eppasisodes a month,

1646
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 3: surrounding a brilliant theme. This month has been about men

1647
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 3: in prison, so.

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01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:11,719
Speaker 1: But also also it must be, it needs be said.

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01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:15,840
Speaker 1: It is your birthday month, and you chose this for yourself.

1650
01:32:15,320 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 3: And it's because I believe that men belong in prison. No,

1651
01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:25,200
Speaker 3: but but we did Shashank and Oh Brother, We're art

1652
01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:28,479
Speaker 3: Bell on the Matreon and then Holes was my big

1653
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:30,280
Speaker 3: birthday episode on the main feed.

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01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:30,719
Speaker 1: Of course.

1655
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:35,440
Speaker 3: Anyway, check out all of that on patreon dot com

1656
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:38,559
Speaker 3: slash Bechdel Cast. You also get access to our entire

1657
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 3: back catalog of Matreon episodes as well.

1658
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 1: And with that, ooh, okay, final question of the pod.

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01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:52,280
Speaker 1: What instrument are you picking up? In swing Girls? You

1660
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:54,360
Speaker 1: have been invited, You've been summoned to be a swing girl?

1661
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 1: What are you playing?

1662
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:58,680
Speaker 3: Ooh, I'm gonna play the guitar like hero me.

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01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:00,120
Speaker 1: Nice? Nice.

1664
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 4: I'm afraid my only instrument is piano, so I might

1665
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:06,360
Speaker 4: have to stick with that. Okay, respect, But does that

1666
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:08,320
Speaker 4: make me the and of boy is the question?

1667
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 1: No? No, you're reinventing the narrative, Jamie. I'm going bariou Sax.

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01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:19,080
Speaker 1: I'm reclaiming it. Oh whoa, it can't hurt me anymore.

1669
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:23,439
Speaker 1: Hurt Jamie, You're You're healed. I'm barry a sack Sax.

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01:33:23,479 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 1: God now, yes, this very a sax sex god now Wow.

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01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:33,439
Speaker 1: Okay bye, all right, bye guys.

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01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:44,639
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01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:47,920
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01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:52,400
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