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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, and today in the show, I'm joined by

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Speaker 1: world champion archer and lifelong bow hunter Levin Morgan to

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Speaker 1: discuss his techniques and practices for finding, scouting, and hunting

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Speaker 1: white tails when time is short. All right, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Light.

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Speaker 1: Today we're talking white tails on a quick turnaround time.

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Speaker 1: We're talking white tails when time is of the essence.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about how to find, scout and hunt deer

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Speaker 1: when you gotta do it fast. Maybe you've got a

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Speaker 1: quick weekend you can hunt. Maybe you're on a rutcation.

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Speaker 1: You've got one week to find and hunt deer in

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Speaker 1: a new place and that's all you have. Maybe you're

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Speaker 1: just a really busy mom or dad with kids and

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Speaker 1: a day job and you can only get out to

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Speaker 1: hunt a few times here and there, and you just

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Speaker 1: don't have a whole lot of time to squeeze in

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Speaker 1: this hunting passion, whatever it is. I think all of

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Speaker 1: us have found ourselves at one time or another trying

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Speaker 1: to figure out, how can we turn up the speed

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Speaker 1: dial on this whole figure and out the deer thing.

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Speaker 1: That's ah, that's one of those wishes that I think

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Speaker 1: most of us have. And our guest today is somebody

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Speaker 1: who has had to live with these same time constraints,

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Speaker 1: but with really high stakes because he's going out and

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Speaker 1: hunting across the country in a lot of different situations

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Speaker 1: on really short, quick trips, and he's got to get

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Speaker 1: the job done. This is Levi Morgan. Of course, he

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Speaker 1: is I think arguably, maybe not even arguably, maybe it's

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Speaker 1: just obvious, the best, one of the very best tournament

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Speaker 1: archers in the country. He's a world champion, multiple world champion,

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Speaker 1: and all every single different title in the shooting arena

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Speaker 1: he seemingly has won it. He is also a die hard,

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Speaker 1: dedicated bow hunter. Levi is the host of Bowlife TV.

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Speaker 1: He's been chasing white tails for for decades across the

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Speaker 1: country and doing it very successfully and and also different

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Speaker 1: types of situations. He's been in the the Midwest, he's been

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Speaker 1: the West, Southeast, uh d i y by permission leases everything.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's done it all. So he's got a

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Speaker 1: lot of experience and that's experience that he can pull

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Speaker 1: from that we can all learn from. So today what

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Speaker 1: I wanted to grill Levi about was how he does

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Speaker 1: it so fast, how he finds deer quickly on new properties,

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Speaker 1: how he figures out a new farm quickly, how he

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Speaker 1: starts these short hunts knowing that he doesn't have a

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Speaker 1: lot of time to get it done. So how do

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Speaker 1: you start right? How do you end right? How do

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Speaker 1: you know when to pivot? How do you know when

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Speaker 1: to change up your strategy? How should you use trail

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Speaker 1: cameras and scouting without messing things up since you only

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Speaker 1: have a few days to get it done. All these

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Speaker 1: questions and more are what we covered. We also get

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Speaker 1: into some very interesting conversations around routines and mindset. That's

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Speaker 1: something that Levi has perfected within his archery career, and

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Speaker 1: it translates to hunting. I think it's something that for

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Speaker 1: all of us on quick trips or quick weekend hunts,

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Speaker 1: whatever it is, that kind of thing can make a

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Speaker 1: difference to So this is a fun conversation in one

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Speaker 1: that I really enjoyed and learned from. I know you

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Speaker 1: will too, So I'm not gonna I'm not gonna do

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Speaker 1: a long intro here. I think next week we're gonna

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Speaker 1: try to get on and fill you in on what's

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Speaker 1: been going on in my hunting season and some of

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Speaker 1: the other guys on the team. But for today, we're

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Speaker 1: be sharing updates on my Michigan hunts as I am

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Speaker 1: So check that out. And I think that's it. I

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Speaker 1: think that's all the updates I've got for you. Hope

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Speaker 1: your hunting is going well so far. It's uh, it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: October's here. It's only gonna get better. So enjoy this

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Speaker 1: one with LEVI. Best of luck out there, and let's

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Speaker 1: get to it all right with me on the line. Now,

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Speaker 1: I've got Levi Morgan, Levi, thanks so much for being here. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: know you're busy guy, this time of year, all over

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Speaker 1: the place. Uh So carving out this time is no

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Speaker 1: small thing. I recognize that, and it's it's kind of

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Speaker 1: which is making use of the little amounts of time

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Speaker 1: I think that's something that a lot of people have

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Speaker 1: what you've done so far this season. You've gotten on

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Speaker 1: do you think that is? Cameras? Um? I think, yeah,

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Speaker 1: out going in. And I might even hand cameras like

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Speaker 1: if I can see like Nebraska, for example, Nebraska is

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Speaker 1: an easy place to hang cameras on food because it's

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Speaker 1: So I'm not blowing them out trying to hang cameras

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Speaker 1: like to feed there either. So it's it's that acorn tree,

429
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 1: that white oak tree that they're feeding on her. Even

430
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: on years that a lot of the white oaks are

431
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: falling for some reason, those deer pick one that they

432
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 1: hit heavier those bucks are on. They like one tree

433
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 1: they'll walk over, you know, two ours of white oaks

434
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: to eat under one. So if I'm looking for that

435
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 1: one that has the most acorns popped under it. And

436
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: my dad told me this when I was really little,

437
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: looking for the difference in an acorn it's eight by

438
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,919
Speaker 1: a squirrel and one that's eight by a deer, And

439
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 1: the one that's ate by a deer will be cracked

440
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 1: long ways in half and the squirrels will be chewed on.

441
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 1: And um, So if you find acorn holes that are

442
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 1: popped in half long ways, that's deer eating those and

443
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: so um my dad told me that when I was

444
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: really as young, and I've never forgot that, and so

445
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 1: paying attention to little stuff like that where I'm like,

446
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 1: holy cow, there's like there's like white oak holes everywhere

447
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 1: right here, and then there's you know, deer droppings everywhere

448
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 1: and scrapes all I'm like, holy smokes, Like this is

449
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 1: a little sneaky spot that it's not obvious that I

450
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: would have just walked through and just thought it's another

451
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: acorn tree. But just those little things like that would

452
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 1: be like a real good example of you know, what

453
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm looking for. And even so I'll use Mississippi as

454
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: an example. Two years ago, we're we're driving a little area.

455
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 1: It's a swamp and like, uh, just big timber thicket stuff.

456
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 1: It's hard to hunt. And there's a little place we

457
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: call the parkway on our on our lease, and we're

458
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: driving down the road and we're like, look at the

459
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: track crossing right here, like no reason like, but we're

460
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: just paying attention and it's like, uh, a highway of

461
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 1: deer tracks crossing this sandy road. So we step out

462
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: and we walk seventy yards following these tracks and there's

463
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: like two percentmetries that are like falling and it looks

464
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: like a whole field of hogs had been in there,

465
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: but it's white tail, and so we throw a camera

466
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: on it and half our shooters are showing up on

467
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: this persymmetry in the daylight. And it's just like those

468
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 1: kind of things where you just pay attention and you

469
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 1: don't you're not just powering through a spot just because

470
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: it hasn't been good in the past. Maybe those pursuing

471
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: trees haven't dropped in five years, you know, and you

472
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't have noticed it, But now they're dropping in every

473
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: day within a half mile to coming to them. So yeah,

474
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: ken in on that on those changes is so key.

475
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: Another thing though, that I'm thinking about when I hear

476
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: this is the the opposite. Well, let me take a

477
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: step back. It's when you find something like that looks

478
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 1: great you you you scout your way in, or you

479
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 1: found something something on the map that looked good. Your

480
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: head in there. You find this thing you want, you

481
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: set up on night number one of this quick hunt

482
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: you have and you're expecting the world, but then nothing

483
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: shows like you're you don't see what you want to see,

484
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 1: and this always leads me to one of the tougher

485
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: things within a traveling hunt or a short term hunt,

486
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: where you have it's it's really easy when you set

487
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 1: up in a stand and you see something to work with,

488
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: right you see you see a ton of deer in

489
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: a couple of pretty nice bucks, but they're just out

490
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: of range, and then you think, okay, well then I

491
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: just gotta make a tweak. Or you see them five

492
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: yards away and you realize, all right, I got into

493
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: the general zone. Now you need to zero in. I

494
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: realized I got to make a couple of hundred yards

495
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: shift down and and then I'll be in the game.

496
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: But what happens when you find a spot that you

497
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: think should be pretty darn good and it just doesn't

498
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: give you anything to work with. You don't see any

499
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: deer or you see no bucks, And now it's this weird,

500
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 1: this weird conundrum that at least I find myself and

501
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: where I'm like, Okay, do I believe in this place

502
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: so much that I need to stick it out even

503
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: though I haven't seen anything that's told me that outside

504
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: of the sign, Or do I move to another new

505
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: random place and start from ground zero and try to

506
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: learn a new spot. Um, how long will you give

507
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: a spot or what are you thinking about when it

508
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: comes to that, like moving on or sticking a spot

509
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: out that that hasn't proven itself yet. Yeah, I think

510
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: you just explained bow hunting very quickly, because that happens

511
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: way more than like the pot of gold at the

512
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: end of the rainbow. But um, yeah, that's the hard

513
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: part man. It's like, I think it's more based on

514
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: time of year two, whether I'm I'm staying or I'm leaving.

515
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: So if I think that they're they're like early season

516
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: where they're close to bed and like where they're feeding,

517
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 1: where they're betting, and they're doing generally the same thing

518
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: every day, then I'm moving. Like if I sit there,

519
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: like if I give it a good like everything's right,

520
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: conditions are right, and I still don't see him see

521
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: the one I want, I'm moving because they're generally doing

522
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: very similarly the same thing every single day, and so

523
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna do whatever he did today tomorrow and

524
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: that ain't coming here. So Um, However, like late October,

525
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: they're starting to cruise more. You know, maybe they're checking

526
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: scrapes every thread three or four days um, or even

527
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: the rut where you know it's kind of wild card.

528
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: You don't know what's coming or from where. Um, then

529
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: I might stick it out. Like if it's a good pinch,

530
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: it's a good like I know there's big to your clothes,

531
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: and like it's a it's a spot. One's gonna come

532
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: in the next three days. I just need to be here, Um,

533
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 1: then I'll probably stick it out. UM. I think the

534
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: rut it's when people jump around a little too much

535
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: because they you know, they sit a spot that's good,

536
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: they don't see the one they want. They're moving. Well,

537
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: it's such a random thing in the rut. That big

538
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: buck maybe tending a dough and he's gonna leave her tomorrow,

539
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, and he's gonna walk right through here when

540
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: he does. You just gotta sit there from daylight till dark.

541
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: And sometimes that sucks when you're not seeing anything. But

542
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: I feel like those are the times where I'm more

543
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: likely just to stick it out. Um. Where like if

544
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: they're keying on food early and late and I'm not

545
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: seeing the one I want in the daylight, I'm I'm

546
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: bouncing trying to find where he's moving in in shooting hours. Yeah,

547
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Can you can you tell me about

548
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: I think that you did something just like what you're

549
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: describing on those early season hunts in Nebraska and Wyoming.

550
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: Can you walk me through kind of how those two

551
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: hunts looked and how you managed to pull off what

552
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: I think you're describing. Yeah, so Nebraska, I only have

553
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: one year under my belt on this place. It was

554
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: last year, UM, and it was incredible with the number

555
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: of deer, but it also makes it hard because it's

556
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: hard to keep those spots fresh. And and so what

557
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: I did there is we ran cameras this summer. We

558
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,959
Speaker 1: we sent a bunch of cameras out to the farmer

559
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: and he scattered them up and down the alfalfa. But

560
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: it's like two miles of alfalfa on the on the

561
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: Platte River, so they can only tell us so much.

562
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: And so we knew areas that had shooters we'd get

563
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: a picture of every once in a while. So, okay,

564
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: he's in that area. So what did um Trying to

565
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: make a long story short, I got there two days

566
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: before season and scouted and actually put my eyes on

567
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: um three or four different solid shooters on the south

568
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: Alpha from like a mile away. The problem was getting

569
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: in there to hunt them without blowing everything out with

570
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: the winds that we had. So I just kind of

571
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: hunted my way in still like I I came in

572
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: with a good wind, used the river for access, got

573
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: in like on the edge of where I thought the

574
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: furthest straggling deer might be on that first set. UM

575
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: just just did not want to blow any deer out

576
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: because it's like a domino effect when there's that many

577
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: deer and you run one out and it runs over another,

578
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: and then they both run over the rest of them,

579
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: and then they just all ago, you know, So it's

580
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: not spooking. You might not be running over top of

581
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: all the deer, but if you run over one and

582
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: then it runs over top of them, same difference. So

583
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: I was trying to like be as safe as possible

584
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: get in there because I couldn't see exactly what trails

585
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: they were using in the river. I didn't have enough

586
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: information to be that aggressive and just go in and

587
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: blow in there and hang us thatt. I could just

588
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: see the general area they were coming out of in

589
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: the river from our point of view. So I got

590
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: close enough that first day to kind of see. Then

591
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: I knew, Okay, the bucks are using the same little

592
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: ravine all the bucks used it. I saw it that

593
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: first morning. They went back in, and I thought that evening, okay,

594
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: maybe they're doing a little bit of a circle. I'm

595
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna give this tree one more sit. Well,

596
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,959
Speaker 1: that evening they came right back out of that ravine.

597
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: I didn't get a shot. So I was like, Okay,

598
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: now I've got them, pegg. I know right where they're

599
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: coming out into this field. So the next day I

600
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: moved in a lot tighter, and then my buddy Andy

601
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: showed up, and so we could kind of double team

602
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: on on that river because two different groups of shooters

603
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: were coming out in two places, and we had them

604
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: pegged and so we had a different wind. And we

605
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: went in and uh, actually me and my brother sat

606
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: in a cornfield where they were kind of pinching down

607
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: in between um like feed, which is like what farmers

608
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: cut for silide. It looks like corn, but it's not.

609
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: And then a cornfield and in the alfalfa kind of

610
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: pinched down like a hundred yards between it. So we

611
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: got the wind right sat in that corn and killed

612
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: one of those big shooters at first or that second nine.

613
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: So that was one of those deals where Okay, they're

614
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: not they're not coming by this set. We got it. Now,

615
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: We've got the intel we need removing, you know. And

616
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: so we just kept bouncing closer and closer until we

617
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: put ourselves in the game. Wyoming totally different. That was

618
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: a pure guess on my part when I killed that deer,

619
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: and um, it was like a five acre alfalfa pivot

620
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: in the middle of nothing, so like Sage Hills you

621
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: can imagine that, and then a bottom with an alf

622
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: alpha pivot. And there was one group of car was

623
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: on one side and then just canyons and goalies on

624
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: the other side. And so we saw this deer from

625
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: the interstate. Um, we saw some deer feed down the alfalfa,

626
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: like eleven thirty in the afternoon. We're like, that looks

627
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: like a buck. We pull over glass it like, oh

628
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: my gosh, biggest deer I've ever seen in Wyoming. So

629
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, all focus goes to this deer now.

630
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: So me and Mike had tried literally we laid flat

631
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: in the south alpha field one night, um and we

632
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: had every deer over two deer come out into the

633
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: south Alpha field. We beat him all except for one though,

634
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: that then ran over top of our big shooter and

635
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: they ran out of the field. So that was awful.

636
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: Like I thought it's over, because they went into the

637
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: stage the next morning, gone, next evening, gone, next day.

638
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: No show in the entire field. So we're like, okay,

639
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: we were at him out for sure. You know, he's

640
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: just not going to tolerate that. And so at that point,

641
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: it was like, there's only one place I felt like

642
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: that we couldn't see, and that was this cottonwood patch.

643
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: It's like five six acres of like pond, old ponds,

644
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: a little creek, like cattails, cottonwoods, just like somewhere he

645
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: would go like when he got pressured, I felt like.

646
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: And so we went in there and I knew he

647
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: wasn't you know, he had changed. That's what I knew.

648
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna be stubborn and just keep hammering this

649
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 1: spot when he's not there. I can see for a mile,

650
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: you know, he's not here. So we just took a

651
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: guess and and me and Michael went in and hung

652
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: us set and all the other bucks did not come

653
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: and range. Like we were not hunting the group of

654
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: deer anymore. We were hunting just one single deer. And

655
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,479
Speaker 1: we took a chance and moved instead of just doing

656
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: the same thing with you know, where all the other

657
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: deer were coming out. And I'll be danged if an

658
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: hour before dark I didn't look up and he was

659
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: walking right at us and thirty eight yards walked right

660
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: by us and broad day light. So um, that was

661
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: that was a little bit of luck. But it was

662
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: again one of those things where it's like he's not here.

663
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: He's like, this is opening weeks. He's just bad to food,

664
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: that's it. Bad to food. And if he's not in

665
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: this area, he's not I mean at least not in

666
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 1: the daylight. There's no reason to keep keep coming back

667
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: and trying to hunt him where he was two days ago.

668
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: But he's gone, you know, so well, it just kind

669
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: of started moving. It brings to mind, I mean, a

670
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: really important part of any trip where it seems like,

671
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: at least in my situation too, you're head into a

672
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: hunt like this, you begin with a basic idea like

673
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: all right, I think I want to start in this

674
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,439
Speaker 1: zone because of the what I saw in the map,

675
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 1: or because of history or whatever it is. And you

676
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: go in and you kind of observe and hunting your

677
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: way in, and you hope that the scenario will play

678
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: out kind of like it did in Nebraska for you,

679
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: where you got eyes on one. Then you can make

680
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: some adjustments move in and maybe do that a time

681
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: or two or a couple of times, and you're able

682
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: to close the distance and and make it all come together.

683
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: But at some point on some of these trips, you

684
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: get to the halfway point or something and that hasn't happened,

685
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 1: and you're still kind of blind, and you don't have

686
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: something zero in on, and you get to the last

687
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: day or two or three, and um, I don't know,

688
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: you've done this more times than I have, I'm sure,

689
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: so maybe you don't have this little little whispers a

690
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: panic in the back of your mind. But at least

691
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: I get a little bit of that. Just man, you're

692
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: only three days left now, only two days left now,

693
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: and you you really have to control that concern and

694
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: and make good decisions still, but it's it's harder when

695
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: you don't have anything solid to work with except for

696
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: the fact that you can cross this spot off the

697
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: map and you can cross that spot off the map

698
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: because you know it's not happening there. Um, you just

699
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: gave me a really good example of of something that

700
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: you do, which is sometimes go to the one place

701
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: you haven't yet. But can you talk to me about

702
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: anything else you're thinking about when you get to the

703
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: back half of a short trip like that and you

704
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: you still don't have them pegged? What are what are

705
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: the things you're switching to now? Like what's your ace

706
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: in the pocket that you jump to? When it's day

707
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: four of a six day hunt or day five of

708
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 1: a six day hunting, You're you're striking out so far?

709
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: What are you doing? What are you thinking? Yeah, I

710
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: mean there's always that little bit of panic, you know. Um,

711
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: there's no way around it, because I mean, because you

712
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: fail more than you succeed in bow hunting, you know,

713
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: and so it's kind of hard not to have that

714
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 1: little bit of panic in the back of your mind

715
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: where you're like, dang, I don't I don't have anything

716
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: to chase, and I've got two days left and I

717
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: got nothing. You know, I feel like I've wasted the

718
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: last four or five days and like, I have no intel,

719
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: but at the same time, you've crossed out a lot,

720
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: and that's kind of what I try to go to.

721
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: At that point, I'm like, Okay, I don't have any

722
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: good information, but I have a lot of places I

723
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: know not to go, you know. I know that's like

724
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: not the ticket. You know, they're the deer aren't using there.

725
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: So at that point, I just start narrowing it down

726
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: on like and and sometimes it just doesn't work, you know.

727
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: Sometimes you just leave empty handed and you did everything

728
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: you could and you made all the right decisions and

729
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 1: he just didn't come by, you know, something happened. But

730
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: I'm constantly at that point. Um, Like I said, if

731
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: it's not the rut or something I'm I'm moving. And

732
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: I feel like that keeps my spirits up to like,

733
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: once I hunt a stand for two or three days

734
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: and I see nothing, it's hard to keep your like

735
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: morale high and your confidence. I'll be like, I feel

736
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: like I've been to those sets where I'm just like, well,

737
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: let's go back and get skunked again over here, you know,

738
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: because that's what's gonna happen, you know, which is not

739
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: a good place to be because you know, and I've

740
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: been there a lot, and uh where I'm just like,

741
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: I know, like it's not gonna happen here. But so

742
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: I tried, like no matter what, if I go to

743
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: a new set or a hanging hunt in an area

744
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: I haven't been for some reason, my confidence is just up.

745
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: And so because I'm like, it feels fresh. I don't

746
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: know what's here. This could be money, you know, and

747
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: most of the time it's not. But sometimes, you know,

748
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: just like in Wyoming it was, but I don't really

749
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 1: have like a like a secret sauce, you know. At

750
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: that point, it's just grinding, you know, and hunting is

751
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: hard the last day and the first day like never,

752
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: you know, there's never like a lazy moment where I'm like, yeah,

753
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 1: probably ain't gonna happen, and so like let's go out

754
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: you know, a little later and and you know, not

755
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: pay attention as much. Like I feel like I the

756
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: harder it gets is the harder I hunt. And I

757
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: feel like that's always been the key for us, is

758
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: like we we almost get more mad, like as we're

759
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: getting beat, like we're getting our bloods kicked, and it's

760
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 1: like not that like, Okay, let's just give up. It's

761
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: like you know what, like let's dig in and like

762
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: let's let's figure these suckers out, like what are they doing?

763
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: You know? And so we're constantly, like you we'll be

764
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: sitting in a stand like looking at areals like where

765
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: could he be? Like okay, we saw him, he here here,

766
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: or you know, we got nothing like this is this

767
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: side of the farm is just like ghost and so

768
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: like we're constantly strategizing, which to me is the fun

769
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: part of white till Like that's why I do it.

770
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: I because there's so much strategy involved and they're so

771
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: hard to kill, like a big mature white tie with

772
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: a bow, like in five days. It's almost impossible, you know.

773
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: I mean, like that's what's fun about it is it

774
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: seems a little bit unattainable to show up and you're

775
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: like no information, like okay, fine and kill a big

776
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: mature deer in five days, Um, okay, Like let's dig in.

777
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 1: Like there can't be any downtime, you know, you can't

778
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 1: be like eating doughnuts back at camp at night thirty

779
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: in the morning, because that's just you know, I mean,

780
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: unless that's your like if you're cool with not killing

781
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: anything or not being successful, and hunting is just a

782
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 1: social thing for you, which it is for some people.

783
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: You know. Don't make yourself uncomfortable, you know, enjoy yourself,

784
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: but don't be mad at the end of the week

785
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: when you have a tag in your pocket. For me,

786
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: the fun part of it is the grind. It's showing up,

787
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: getting my butt kicked. That was a bad decision. Okay,

788
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: let's move on next, Like, okay, next, What's what's next?

789
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: What's next? What's next? And so that's my mind is

790
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: always like if this sit sucks, what are we doing

791
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 1: in the morning, you know, And and then just keeping

792
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: my head on a swivel. And I feel like there's

793
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: really no secret to white to hunting other than that

794
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: you just have to like hate losing so much that

795
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 1: you won't give up. Pretty true, that's very true. You've

796
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: you talked about, you know, just how your your aggress

797
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: your aggression level has to change too throughout right, and

798
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: you gotta keep on grinding. But when you get to

799
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 1: that back half of a trip and you haven't gotten

800
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: it figured out yet, what is aggressive when you say aggressive? Like,

801
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: what does that mean? What does that look like for you?

802
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: When you're down in the last couple of days and

803
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out what's next. What are those

804
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 1: aggressive moves that you will pull out of the bag

805
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: of tricks or the the places that you'll explore on

806
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: day six or seven that you would never touch on

807
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 1: day one or two. Yeah, it's absolutely, It's it's mainly

808
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: the wind. So like I'm I'm so always like conscious

809
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: of which way the winds blowing the deer that I'm

810
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: blowing out whatever. So there's always the places where the

811
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: majority of the deer like using those those intersections, those

812
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: the money spots that are normally in the center of

813
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: what you're trying to hunt, and like there's that's where

814
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: you're most likely to get busted and you're always giving

815
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: something up. So those are the places I'm going. I'm

816
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: going in the betting areas. I'm getting close. I'm I'm

817
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: moving into bow range of the the most well used

818
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, funnel on the farm and where i know

819
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: I'm going to spook some deer, probably some are gonna

820
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: get me, Like I'm giving it up, Like I'm giving

821
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: those up and I'm just moving in to be as

822
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: a as aggressive as possible. Um in those moments. So

823
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 1: like in the rut, that's gonna be let's move into

824
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: the bedroom. Let's get on that in that cedar thicket,

825
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: like right on it, like in that creek bottom. If

826
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: deer come behind us, they come behind us. But we

827
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: got to get in there, um to try to get

828
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: within bow range and kill one. Um early season, that's

829
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: you know, let's move in on those four trails that

830
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: are dumping out, you know. And I know we've got

831
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 1: those three that some of the deer used sometimes that's

832
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: gonna be down when, but it doesn't matter. We got

833
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: to get in there, get right in the middle of them. Um.

834
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: We got tonight and tomorrow left, Like what do we

835
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: what do we got to lose? Like, there's no reason

836
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,479
Speaker 1: to sit back and hope one straggles by over here

837
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: for the sake of not spooking those five doughs that

838
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: are going to come out over here, you know. So

839
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: that's the kind of thing that that will do. And um,

840
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: you know a lot of times it's kind of in

841
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: the rut. Andy my buddy called it finding them schooling

842
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: because he's a bass fisherman and so he uses that

843
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: term like when they're chasing. Does a lot of times

844
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,959
Speaker 1: we'll we'll have stands on her back and slipping through

845
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: and because for some reason, they do in the same

846
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: areas every year, and then we'll see them with their eyes. Um,

847
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: there'll be four or five bucks and like on our

848
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: place in Mississippi on a hot dough and they're just

849
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: running her back and forth and running or run her

850
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: all over the place. And then we wait till we

851
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: see that to get up in a tree, because they're

852
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: gonna be in that bottom. They're going to be on

853
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: that ridge all day, back and forth. And so like

854
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: we call it, you know, now after hunt with him

855
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: a little bit down there, it's like, all right, we're

856
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna walk until we see him schooling and

857
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: then we're getting a tree. You got you gotta give

858
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: me more details on this one because this is unconventional,

859
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: so very so very talk to me, sorry, I was

860
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: gonna say, talk to me about like when do you

861
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: pull that one out? In what kind of places would

862
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 1: that actually work? And then I need to know like, Okay,

863
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: what time are you getting out there, what's the how

864
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: are you using the wind to approach these places that

865
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: you think they'll be schooling? And then when you find

866
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of them chasing a doll, how do you

867
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: manage to get set up close enough without spooking any

868
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: of them? So, so give me the whole rundown from

869
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: the nutstables, right, Okay, So I'll just give you. Like

870
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: so two years ago on our place down in Mississippi, Um,

871
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: we had a deer. It was a six five biggest

872
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: deer on the farm. It's an absolutely giant and so

873
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: it's super hard to hunt because down there it's just

874
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: just really just timber. I mean it's just thick, swampy timber.

875
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: And so like you've got to be a very good

876
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: woodsman to kill him down there. I mean there's a

877
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: lot of bucks, but like to target one and go

878
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: after it, you gotta be a good woodsman. So, like

879
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: we had no intel, he hadn't shown up, so it's

880
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: like all right, let's just let's just get in there.

881
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: So this is like December four, which is peak Rutt

882
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: and where we're at Mississippi. So this is like when

883
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: they're on dough is hard, like that week out of

884
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: the year that they're just chasing and like multiple bucks,

885
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: Like a hot dough has multiple bucks with her um

886
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: and it's just that so one mature buckle, I have her,

887
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: and he'll be it's almost like he's fending off three

888
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: year olds and two year olds left and right, and

889
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: so that chaos when that happens. Those deer are so

890
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: occupied with each other you can get away with a

891
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: ton um and so it's almost like when two bowl

892
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: elk are fighting and you can move in on them. Um,

893
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: they're so focused on each other that you can walk

894
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: right up to him and hit one in the head

895
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: with a hammer. He's not going to know it. So

896
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: that's what we're calling school. And like when those bucks

897
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: are like that one big one's got the dough and

898
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: he's just fending off bucks left and right, and so

899
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 1: that's like a school of deer just like kind of

900
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: migrating around in the woods, which is you don't find

901
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: every day, but there's like a week out of the

902
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: year where that's happening a lot. And so that's what

903
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: we would do. We were like, we like, let's go,

904
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: So we put stands on our back and we went

905
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: into this place we call the Witches Dan, which is

906
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: on our lease, and it's like sanctuary almost like we

907
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: never go in there, you know, it's just hard to hunt,

908
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: and there's really no way to hunt it safe. But

909
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: this week out of the year, the deer just like

910
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: running crazy in this because it's like they don't have pressure.

911
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: It's like their home. So we just eased in, eased in,

912
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: winding our face, winding her face, like I'm talking about,

913
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: one step at a time, eyes peeled, one step at

914
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: a time, and all of a sudden we see a

915
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: buck and then a dough whether and then like all

916
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: of a sudden, there's just bucks walking circles around them,

917
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: and we're like two hundred yards away, and so he'll

918
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 1: run one buck off. We move in a little closer,

919
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: he comes back to his dough, he runs another buck off.

920
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: We move in a little closer, and so we got

921
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: as close as we felt like we could. We're probably

922
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: five yards away, and but it's thick and and um

923
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: in this bottom, and so we just go up a

924
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: tree as quick and as quiet as possible while they're

925
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: chasing back and forth. We got bucks running under us,

926
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: but they're just not as sharp as they normally are

927
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: during this week. They're just one thing on their mind,

928
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: and um, it's a it's the most aggressive way that

929
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: you can hunt, in my opinion, And we we got

930
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: up in a tree and UM ended up killing that

931
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: that big six by five. He uh, he ran a

932
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: buck off and as he was coming back, I hit

933
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: the horns together and he was just in one of

934
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 1: those moods and he ran straight to the base of

935
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: this tree and I killed him. So it was like

936
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: just and that would never work in any other scenario,

937
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: but like when they're running that hard, you can be

938
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: really aggressive and just move right in on them. And

939
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: I almost killed the buck the same week doing the

940
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: same thing called crooked brow, and he was the next

941
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: bagest here on the farm, which ended up killing last year.

942
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: But we did the same thing. We moved into it.

943
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: We found him with his dough and he was drowning

944
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: bucks off and we got up in a tree and

945
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: had him come by three times that night and never

946
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: got a shot. So it's it's interesting because it sounds crazy,

947
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: but you're not the only one who does that. I

948
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: remember talking to Andrea Quisto about something like this, and

949
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,919
Speaker 1: he he talked about how they'll be these days, which

950
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: I think any one of us who's hunted a lot

951
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: during the ruck can think of. When you're sitting there

952
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: and what you think should be a great place, and

953
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: there's nothing happening right, it's it's dead. And days like

954
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: that are days when they're schooling up somewhere else and

955
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,959
Speaker 1: every buck in the area is in this other draw

956
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: a half a mile away or something, and and his

957
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: recommendation is to get out of the tree, dummy, and

958
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: go find where they're all at, because they're all somewhere umr.

959
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: And like you said, they're out of their mind to

960
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: a degree, so you can get away with bumping a

961
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 1: deer or two when you find that concentration because they're

962
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: in there for a reason and they're, like you said,

963
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: not quite on their a game. Um So there's there's

964
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: something to this. My question though, for you is outside

965
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: of specifically when you're down there on this one property,

966
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 1: when would you turn to that, Like what's the what's

967
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: the queue or what's the point in a hunt? We're like, okay,

968
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: it's time to find out where they're schooling. Is this uh,

969
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 1: only the last day of the hunt? Or is it

970
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: when you realize like, oh, they're all locked down because

971
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: you happen to see it off in the distance when

972
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: you're driving and like, okay, I gotta do that, Like

973
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: what what it pushes you to do that because it

974
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: seems like, like you said, very aggressive, You're covering a

975
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: bunch of ground, you're walking around. It's high risk in

976
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: a certain way, it is, and it's but it's the

977
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: one week you can get away with it, you know.

978
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 1: It's like I think it's not so much like, Okay,

979
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: this is day five in my hunts as it is. Okay,

980
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: today's when it's it's happening, like I only have five

981
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: days of this, you know, and so um, it's it's

982
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: kind of that more than it is anything where Okay,

983
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 1: I'm driving there's a buck locked down with the dough,

984
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: and and okay, there's a buck locked down with the

985
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: dough or you know people in the area, and my

986
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: buddies are like I've seen, you know, there's three bucks

987
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: ten the doughs over here. You know. You know, just

988
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: information tells me that that's happening. And when I'm sitting

989
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: in good places like like you were just saying, and

990
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: like it's crickets, there's only one reason that that could be,

991
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: you know, and that's because there's eight bucks on the

992
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: same dough somewhere, you know, And so that's what I'm

993
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: looking for. You know. That's when I'm like, all right,

994
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: you know it's time, like we gotta go find them.

995
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 1: And so we're slipping, and I mean we're not just

996
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: like trampling through the woods were very carefully being super stupid,

997
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: I guess, but we're like walking slowly and like because

998
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: they could all be betted. Normally, though there's there's several giveaways.

999
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: There'll be young bucks standing before you'll see the big ones.

1000
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: There's normally like those little guys on the outskirts that

1001
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: are just circling, just walking circles, trying to get in

1002
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: there and steal this dough for a second, you know,

1003
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: And so when you see that, you better get your

1004
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: buy nose up and start searching, because that magical time

1005
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: when you see that there is a mature deer with

1006
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: a dough somewhere right there. Like if you see young

1007
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: bucks just not leaving an area and you're like, well,

1008
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: they don't have a dough, No they don't, but I

1009
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 1: guarantee you within a hundred yards there's a hot dough

1010
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: and there's a big buck. So like that's what that's

1011
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: what we're looking for now, I know, Mississippi is unique

1012
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: with the timing of the rut in certain places, but

1013
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: across most of the country, when you're in Pennsylvania or

1014
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: Iowa or something like that, what would you say the

1015
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: best window for this kind of thing is, I'd say

1016
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: the tent through the twentie of November, um normally is

1017
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: when that's going to go down. A lot of times,

1018
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: that first week in November is a lot of young bucks,

1019
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: a lot of so you'll see big bucks cruise into

1020
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: but you're I think it's one peak Estra's or those

1021
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: first few doughs really are hitting. And like when I've

1022
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: seen that the most is like, yeah, second we to

1023
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:05,760
Speaker 1: third week in November where they're really um concentrated on.

1024
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: I guess it's not when most of the dose are

1025
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: in heat. Um. I mean, and it could be too.

1026
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: I guess it's just situational. But I'd say I've seen

1027
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: that happen more than like in the Midwest, that uh

1028
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: tent through of November, And I'm sure that could happen

1029
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: on the first of November in the right situation, you

1030
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: get the right dough, when that first dough comes into heat,

1031
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: I'd say that that's happening somewhere Um, but you just

1032
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: may not know it because if it's you know, you

1033
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: might still be seeing bucks because there's only one dough

1034
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: in heat, you know, But if she comes in there's

1035
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: there's definitely gonna be bucks on her like that. And

1036
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: so I just think I see it more that because

1037
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: there's more does in heat, And so you see that

1038
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: happening more visibly on the side of the road. You

1039
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: see it kind of everywhere. So, um, if you're paying attention,

1040
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: you'll know when when that's happening. Yeah, Well, what do

1041
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,720
Speaker 1: you typically do? Leave when you're up in a tree

1042
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: and you spot a shooter like the buck or one

1043
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: that definitely catches your eye and he's locked on a

1044
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: dough and it's just the two of them and they're

1045
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: just kind of working away from you, or you see

1046
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,439
Speaker 1: them bedded down, you know, a hundred and twenty yards

1047
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: away or something. Are you are you ever going to

1048
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: get out of your tree and make a move on

1049
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: him or are you always gonna wait? Or do you

1050
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 1: ever call? What's your what's your move? When you see that? Yeah?

1051
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: If I see a buck with a dough, like a

1052
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: big deer with a dough and it's just them too,

1053
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: like and that's why, Like that's after I think that

1054
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,439
Speaker 1: schooling like we've been talking about happens, like when he

1055
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: like finally finds them all off, and then he's taken

1056
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: her somewhere that is off the beaten path, away from

1057
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: a high concentration and deer out in the middle of

1058
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: a c rp out in a little hedgerow somewhere. Um,

1059
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: I don't call to him at all, because that's what

1060
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: he's trying to avoid. And and um, when I see that,

1061
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: I just let him be and try to find where

1062
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: they bead. Um. Because if it's out in the hedgerow,

1063
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 1: like in Illinois where we hunted for years, like they

1064
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: used hedgerows a lot, big Bucks. You you'd watch them

1065
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: walk a dough a half mile out on a little

1066
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: brushy hedgerow and they'd keep her there. Um. So what

1067
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: we would do is set up that afternoon or the

1068
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: next sit on you know, on that hedgerow, like for

1069
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: when he either left her or like he pushed her

1070
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 1: back down that hedgerow, Like normally they're gonna come back

1071
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: down at some point, right, So we would try to

1072
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: get between where we thought that dough might want to

1073
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: go or where he might go whenever he left her,

1074
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: um or we would try to make a play on him,

1075
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: like a spot in stock deal, you know, if the

1076
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: terrain would allow it. Um Or maybe it's the last

1077
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,479
Speaker 1: day and I see that, you know, and i gotta

1078
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: leave when I'm getting down and I'm I'm going, I'm

1079
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: getting the wind right and I'm gonna make a play

1080
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: like let's go, you know. So that's tough. I do

1081
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: not normally ever call to him, because I've watched that

1082
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: push him. He would just take her and push her

1083
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: further and further away, just to get her, get her

1084
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: away from that. Um. Now, if there's alright, but like

1085
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: if he runs a buck off, if he if that

1086
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: schooling's happened, calling and calling still works for sure, because

1087
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: he's still like very aggressively running bucks away. Um And

1088
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 1: so like that buck in Mississippi, he literally locked up

1089
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: and plowed this other buck like just sent him through

1090
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: the freaking woods like cartwheeled him. And like he was

1091
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: like and he like had that cocky attitude and every

1092
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: deer's got a different attitude. You could just see it.

1093
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: Like he was like I'm the man, you know, Like

1094
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: and as soon as he did that, I like snort,

1095
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: weez and hit the horns together and he was like

1096
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: what you know, like and he just barreled right into

1097
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: the tree. But we were in that bubble. You know.

1098
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: You can't do that from five yards away and have

1099
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: it work. You gotta be like on him and like

1100
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: he's got to think like you're a threat to take

1101
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: his dough and then it then it would work, Um

1102
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: for sure. But like if he's got her by himself,

1103
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: I've very maybe never have called the deer off a

1104
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: hot dough that was just alone with her. You know,

1105
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: it just doesn't work. You that's a tough nut to crack. Yeah,

1106
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: if you figure that out, let me know. I've never

1107
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: been able to get him to leave that dope for anything.

1108
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: So one thing on their mind talking about all the

1109
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: different aggressive things that you're trying on these hunts, one

1110
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: thing we haven't really touched on would be like decoy.

1111
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: Is there anything like that? Is that ever anything you

1112
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: ever pull out for certain situations like this? Yeah, very rarely.

1113
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: But I did kill a deer last year just and um,

1114
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: he didn't come as a decoy, But the decoy is

1115
00:57:58,040 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: the only reason I killed him. So I did everything

1116
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: we talked about his first sit in Illinois. Um, I

1117
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: was like, I know there's some shooters. There's a farm

1118
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: we call the South Farm, but I never killed a

1119
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: deer on it, and I'd really only hunted it maybe

1120
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: once or twice in my life. It was just a

1121
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: property that we had permission to hunt. And it's a

1122
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: big open switch grass farm on a river bottom, like

1123
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: very little woods, just patches of trees. And so I

1124
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I'm gonna go in an

1125
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: observation tree. Like I was literally a hundred fifty yards

1126
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: off a grawl road, but I could see the whole

1127
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: farm from this spot. And I was like, I'm gonna

1128
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: get in a tree. I'm gonna put a decoy out,

1129
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: and if a big bucks, you know, cruising or something,

1130
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: maybe I'll kill him. You know, I still want to

1131
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: be in the game, but I want to get eyes

1132
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: on a big shooter and try to find one. And

1133
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: so first morning and um, we're sitting there and literally

1134
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: had me and Mica had like yet he's full of coffee.

1135
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: Like we're just like enjoying the morning, right, We're just

1136
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: up there drinking coffee, washing little bucks cruise the bottom

1137
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: like and then all of a sudden, this big shooter

1138
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: opts out like nine o'clock with a dough and he's

1139
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: like fending bucks off, fending bucks off. And then all

1140
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: of a sudden he starts pushing her right to us,

1141
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: and I'm like, holy cow, dude, like this might work,

1142
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: you know. Well, he pushes her under us like fifty

1143
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: yards and this these briars that are like eight ft high.

1144
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,479
Speaker 1: So I only know he's there because I can see

1145
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: these briars when they move, I can see where he's going. Well,

1146
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: my decoy is out to the left. He still hadn't

1147
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: seen it. Well, all of a sudden, like she gets

1148
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: tired of his business or whatever. After they've been there

1149
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: for like an hour, she darts right by my decoy

1150
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: across the field and into the switch grass. Well he's

1151
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: out on her like big hundred six deer, like big deer,

1152
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: and and as he blazes by, he locks up his

1153
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: brakes on my decoy and just like bristles up for

1154
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: like three seconds, and I shoot him. And like so

1155
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: he didn't come to the decoy, But when he busted

1156
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: out in the open and seen that buck standing there,

1157
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 1: he like just fro like he just locked on him,

1158
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: and he wasn't going to hit my decoy. He was

1159
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: like walking by it, like to go get the dough,

1160
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: but he like stopped him long enough for me to

1161
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: get an arrow in him. And it was the coolest time. Like,

1162
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: holy cow, it was one of the few times I

1163
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 1: ever killed a deer on a decoy, and it was

1164
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: just slowed him down enough like to kill it, you know.

1165
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: So it was a it was a cool hunt. But

1166
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: that was an observation sit that just worked, you know.

1167
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: But it only worked because of the decoy, I guess.

1168
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: Is that is that something that you employ often on

1169
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: observation hunts like that, because that's something I never thought about,

1170
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: But it does make a lot of sense. If you're

1171
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: in a place that's not high deer traffic but good visibility,

1172
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: why not throw out that decoy just in case? Yeah,

1173
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: I do that. That's mainly when I use a decoy.

1174
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 1: If I'm going somewhere where I can see a long

1175
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 1: ways or a deer can see where I'm at from

1176
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: a long ways, I'll take a decoy set it out

1177
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,439
Speaker 1: because I'm like at work, I'm not going to run

1178
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: deer off with it, you know, And that's always my fear.

1179
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: But like if a giant buck is two hundre yards

1180
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: away and I snort, we is at him, he looks

1181
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: and sees a buck standing over there, He's way more

1182
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: likely to come over, you know. So that's kind of

1183
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,439
Speaker 1: when I use a decoy. I normally like, if I'm

1184
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: on a big buck, I hardly probably never am going

1185
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: to take a decoy in there, you know, um, because

1186
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: I just like to put a little attention on my

1187
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: area as possible. But wow, what's your what's your decoy

1188
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: set up? Like? How do you like to position it

1189
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: in relation to where you are? How far away all that? Yeah?

1190
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: I um, I put it about thirty yards away normally

1191
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 1: if I can and face it at me kind of

1192
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: at an angle, um, because what I've seen is most

1193
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: dear like to come at him from the side. They

1194
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,439
Speaker 1: don't come head on. They'll come at him to try

1195
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: to hit him from the side, and so and and

1196
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: I'll put it where the wind is blowing from the

1197
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: decoy straight to me, because they always a lot of

1198
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: times those bucks will circle and try to come on

1199
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: the down wind side to smell what dear it is,

1200
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: or you know, maybe it's a buck that you beat

1201
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: them in the past. Or something. I don't know what

1202
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: they're checking for, but a lot of times those bucks

1203
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: are trying to smell what deer that is, so like

1204
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: they I guess they don't recognize it maybe or something,

1205
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: and they're trying to circle down win. So that normally

1206
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 1: puts them like top pin like right there, you know,

1207
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 1: So I try to face it at me and then

1208
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: because they come like at the like broadside on the

1209
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 1: decoy at the headside, normally, um, when they're going to

1210
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: hit it. So yeah, obviously that's not a guarantee, but

1211
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: that's what I've seen most most of the time. Yeah,

1212
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: I want to make a I want to make a

1213
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: hard pivot here, and and kind of wrap it up

1214
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: with one final theme. I guess, um, I'm gonna make

1215
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: an assumption, and I know the assumptions, right, I just

1216
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: don't know exactly how it manifests itself. But given just

1217
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: given how successful you've been on the archery circuit, and

1218
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: then of course in hunting to you must you must

1219
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: have your men until game just dialed like, you must

1220
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: have an unbelievable mental fitness level. And and I'm guessing

1221
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: that you work on that in some way or that

1222
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: you think about that or that that's important to you

1223
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 1: in some way or another. Um, I guess he is

1224
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: that Is that true? Is that something that you think about? Yeah?

1225
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: I think, Um, I've been forced to with with the

1226
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: tournament side of things, just to really figure out how

1227
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 1: to exhale and and beat people with with strategy and

1228
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:34,479
Speaker 1: and um my mental approach. Yeah. So I mean that's

1229
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: a huge part of everything I do, and I don't

1230
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: even mean for it to be anymore. Yeah, that's and

1231
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 1: then maybe that's why you've gotten to the point you've

1232
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: gotten to. It's its second nature. UM. I'm curious about

1233
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: your routines. I imagine, like before before a tournament, you

1234
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: have some kind of routines before the tournament to get

1235
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 1: your mind right. I imagine that you've got some kind

1236
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 1: of routine maybe before you settle in for every single shot.

1237
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: I imagine you've got something like that. Maybe even after

1238
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: a tournament when you're kind of winding down and trying

1239
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: to think about what went right, what went wrong? What

1240
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: can you learn from that something like that. Um. If

1241
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: that's If that's the case, I'm curious if you have

1242
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: anything similar when it comes to your hunting life. Are

1243
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: there any routines that you have to help you get

1244
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: get ready for a hunt or when you're struggling on

1245
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: a hunt or anything like that. Yeah. Um, I think

1246
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 1: it's all both down to where I'm focused on from

1247
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: from the first, from from go, and that is the process.

1248
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: So even in a tournament, like I learned a long

1249
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 1: time ago, if I focus on end result, it never

1250
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: works out good. If I'm focused on this is a

1251
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: world championship. If I screw up all the things that

1252
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: are at stake, um, you know, I'm running out of targets, Like,

1253
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: none of that ever works. That mental approach is not

1254
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 1: gonna work. I have to stay focused on the steps

1255
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: it's gonna take to get me to my end goal.

1256
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: So that's like, first, what's my goal here? Okay, that's

1257
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: the buck I want or I want a mature dear,

1258
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 1: whatever that is. I want to win this world championship. Okay,

1259
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: what's the steps is gonna take to give me that? Okay?

1260
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: And then I never think about the end result again

1261
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: and never think about that goal again. I'm literally focused

1262
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: on step number one to step number two, the process,

1263
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 1: the journey, the strategy that's gonna lead to my end

1264
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: goal because it does mean no good to look at

1265
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: what's at steak? You know, okay, that could be the

1266
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 1: biggest typical ever shot. You know, okay, what does me

1267
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: no good to think about that anymore? How do I

1268
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 1: get how do I get in on it? So like

1269
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: then hunting, I'm not worked up on what's at steak

1270
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 1: when he's coming in. You know, I'm not thinking about

1271
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: anything other than the process, which is you know, from

1272
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 1: so shooting it's I have a complete process from the

1273
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: time I step up to the steak um where I'm

1274
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 1: keep my mind busy because if you let your mind

1275
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: just kind of sit there, it automatically goes to worst

1276
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 1: case scenario. What's this ache, don't screw up, don't miss,

1277
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 1: don't punch the trigger, you know, all those things, and

1278
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: when you think those, you automatically do them. Like your

1279
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:12,439
Speaker 1: mind is incredibly powerful, and if it's not working for you,

1280
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 1: then you are screwed most of the time. So that's

1281
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: the same thing I think I take into hunting that

1282
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: I don't even intentionally do it, but I find myself,

1283
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,919
Speaker 1: like the other day in Ohio, when the biggest buck

1284
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 1: of my life is standing there at thirty five yards

1285
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: making a scrape I'm not even thinking about it, and

1286
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 1: it was so weird. After it all happened, I was

1287
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: just like, that was maybe the calmest I've ever been.

1288
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 1: And I was self filming eight in Typical that I

1289
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 1: hadn't had a daylight picture of since September five. You know,

1290
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: It's like I felt like I was just like, oh, cool,

1291
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: look at that. It's a giant, you know. But like

1292
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,439
Speaker 1: I never even the thought never came into my mind

1293
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,479
Speaker 1: what was at stake, and I didn't realize it until

1294
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 1: after it was over. I wasn't panicking like if I

1295
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 1: don't get this done right here, I'm never going to

1296
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 1: see him again, which is probably the truth, and like

1297
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 1: I just didn't let my mind go there. I just,

1298
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 1: I guess have I've shot tournaments since I was six,

1299
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 1: compiledly competitive on my whole life, and so I'm almost

1300
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 1: numb to some of those Like as soon as those

1301
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 1: thoughts come into my mind, I think I just block

1302
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 1: them out so far that like they don't even register.

1303
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: I guess, I don't know. It's hard to explain, but

1304
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: it's like I don't know. I think it's really kept

1305
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: me grounded, and it doesn't mean I don't get nervous

1306
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: or don't don't love it, or get super excited, because

1307
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 1: I do. Like if you watch me win a tournament

1308
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 1: or they're compete against me, you know, like I'm shaking,

1309
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 1: I'm nervous, I'm like pumped hunting, like I get jacked,

1310
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 1: but like I don't crumble. I guess it's a difference.

1311
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: I don't panic. It's more of an excitement. And um,

1312
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 1: it's not anxiety. It's excitement, you know, like, oh this

1313
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 1: is cool, you know, like this is happening. You know,

1314
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 1: like Okay, let's make sure like we got a good range.

1315
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 1: Like and that's the main thing with me, honey. I'm

1316
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 1: constantly ranging, and it keeps my mind focused on how

1317
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: far he is rather than everything else that could go wrong.

1318
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 1: So my range finders in my hand non stop. So

1319
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 1: I'm clicking him every time he moves. I'm like okay,

1320
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: forty one, okay, thirty eight, okay, Like it's constant, and

1321
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 1: so when he turns broadside, my mind is only on

1322
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 1: how far he is. So then as I knock up,

1323
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 1: it's only on what pen to use and where to

1324
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 1: put it, and so I'm at full draw. Breathe take

1325
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: a breath, forty yard pin bottom of him, squeeze, boom,

1326
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 1: It's over. You know. So it's like then I get

1327
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: nervous because I'm like, Holy Day was the biggest deer

1328
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 1: in my life. He could have turned at any second,

1329
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 1: you know, Like none of that stuff went through my

1330
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 1: head until it was over. You know. So I think

1331
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: the main thing is just focusing on the steps in

1332
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 1: the process instead of just looking at the rack and

1333
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 1: focusing on what you could screw up and what's at

1334
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:01,640
Speaker 1: steak when that big one coming in, and even the

1335
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:05,720
Speaker 1: whole week. You know, you're just so focused on you know,

1336
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 1: the steps and the process and the strategy that you're

1337
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 1: never really letting your mind go to a you know,

1338
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 1: a bad place where like you think you don't have

1339
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 1: a chance. I guess, yeah, and that's that's kind of

1340
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 1: where I was gonna go next, because that's it's it's

1341
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: hard to do. It's hard not to let your mind

1342
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: go to a bad place, at least for me, because

1343
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 1: of what you just said, Like there's this temptation to

1344
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 1: always be looking at the end results and how your

1345
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 1: chances are slipping away, or how opportunities were past or

1346
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 1: all these different things. You know, it can be being

1347
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 1: a goal oriented person, like like I'm a very goal

1348
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: or a very competitive person, and so it's very hard

1349
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 1: not to do that. But what you're saying, like trying

1350
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 1: to focus on the process has been like the the

1351
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,680
Speaker 1: one thing that I keep on trying to actively do

1352
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: and get better at, and that does help. Is whenever

1353
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: you start feeling that way, just just banish that and

1354
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 1: try to remember just what's the next step, what's the

1355
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 1: next thing I can do? Um. I know it was

1356
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: a year or two ago for you. I think you

1357
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 1: you went to Iowa for the first time, I think

1358
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 1: it was, and you had like eight or nine days

1359
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 1: that just could not get it done. And I think

1360
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 1: that was unbelievably frustrating for you. Uh. Is there anything else?

1361
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 1: I mean, is there anything else you're doing too actively?

1362
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 1: I mean you, I know you mentioned that sometimes you

1363
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 1: don't even have those thoughts anymore because you're self process oriented.

1364
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 1: But do you ever get that whisper and then you

1365
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 1: have Is there a mental tool or is there just

1366
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 1: like a word or a phrase or anything that you're

1367
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 1: like snap you out of it? Um? I don't know, Yeah,

1368
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 1: I mean I still definitely they creep in for sure. Like, um, yeah,

1369
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: that Iowa trip was a brutal trip, man. I mean

1370
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 1: I waited my like five years to draw that tag

1371
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 1: and it was just like jeez, like this is the sucks.

1372
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 1: There's not a booner behind every trip? What going on here? Um? No?

1373
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 1: Like yeah, So like this year, like I constantly have

1374
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 1: to keep myself in check, like in tournaments and hunting.

1375
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 1: It's not as bad because I think it's not. Tournaments

1376
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 1: are high stress from target one because like if you

1377
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: make a mistake, like it's pretty much most of the

1378
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 1: time it's over. Those guys are so good, So it's

1379
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 1: like it's way harder to keep those negative thoughts out

1380
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 1: in tournaments and so and I do that literally from

1381
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 1: January to August. So by the time hunting gets here,

1382
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:33,839
Speaker 1: I've I've I'm pretty I guess um good at blocking

1383
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 1: those negative thoughts out for hunting season. And I just

1384
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 1: look forward to it so much that it's like the

1385
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 1: negative thoughts I have in hunting or don't even compare

1386
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 1: to the one that come into my mind when I'm shooting.

1387
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 1: Like I guess I'd be a world this year. Like

1388
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: I had a great year, but I had got my

1389
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: butt kicked on a few times by the same guys year, um,

1390
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,799
Speaker 1: and so like I'd be a world. We were battling

1391
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 1: it out for the World Championship and going into the

1392
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: final day for the final ten targets, he having by

1393
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,719
Speaker 1: three points when and he doesn't make mistakes very often,

1394
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 1: and it was like, dang, you know, my mind started

1395
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 1: to go to that place for like you lost, like

1396
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:13,879
Speaker 1: it's over, Like give up, dude, Like stop putting yourself

1397
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:15,679
Speaker 1: through this, because I'm like, I'm the type of person

1398
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 1: that hates losing so much in every scenario that like

1399
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 1: I will torture myself and think I have a chance

1400
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 1: to win when I don't, you know, like I that's

1401
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 1: my fault is I'm too dumb to quit, That's what

1402
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: I say, because I'm like, I can still do this,

1403
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 1: you know, Like and so I'd be a world. I

1404
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 1: probably should have given up, honestly, because it's like he's

1405
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: not gonna make a big enough mistake for me to

1406
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: get this back in tin targets. But I was like, no,

1407
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 1: like we can still do it. You know. It's the

1408
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 1: same old, same old, same old. And I'll be thanking

1409
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 1: if he didn't. And um, I come back and won

1410
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 1: the iby of worlds, and it was like wow, Like

1411
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 1: if my mental if I had just like let my

1412
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 1: mind go there, I would not have been at the

1413
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 1: place to capitalize on that. And that's the same thing

1414
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 1: in hunting, like if you let yourself and we all have.

1415
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 1: I've been sitting there with my bottom lip stuck out

1416
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: in a tree stand on day five and that's when

1417
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: I turn and look and there he is. And I'm

1418
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:18,599
Speaker 1: so unprepared for that moment. Did I screw it up?

1419
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,679
Speaker 1: You know? And so I think that's the main thing.

1420
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 1: It's just being in a good enough mental place and

1421
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 1: focused enough that when that opportunity does come, you can

1422
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 1: capitalize on it. And so I think that's more what

1423
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 1: I've gotten better at over the years than anything is.

1424
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 1: Even when it's been four days of crickets and I

1425
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 1: think the chances of seeing a big buck are like

1426
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 1: one per cent. I try to steal keep myself in

1427
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,799
Speaker 1: a good enough mental place that if he does step out,

1428
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 1: I'm ready. I know how far that tree is, I

1429
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna do if he comes in over here.

1430
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 1: I know where I need to stop him in that window.

1431
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 1: So I'm constantly trying to think of the things that

1432
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: are going to give me an advantage if this dear

1433
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 1: comes in And yeah, I can still be in a

1434
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 1: bad mood, I can still think it probably ain't gonna happen.

1435
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 1: But I'm normally mentally prepared enough to capitalize if I'm

1436
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 1: giving that opportunity. And that's I totally learned that from tournaments.

1437
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 1: But it carries over into hunting so so much. Yeah,

1438
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 1: so what about when you do fail, when when you

1439
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 1: you stayed ready and you were ready for it and

1440
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: you miss or you wounded deer, or you are shooting

1441
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 1: in a tournament and you're so close but you you

1442
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: shank the shot and you missus by a little bit,

1443
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 1: whatever it is, how do you handle that failure in

1444
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 1: the moment, How do you recover from it? How do

1445
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:46,599
Speaker 1: you get back on the saddle. Well, in tournaments, I say,

1446
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: I give myself one day to celebrate or to be

1447
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 1: mad at myself, because we got to prepare for the

1448
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 1: next one. So that's what I say, because I've I've

1449
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 1: you know, you lose more than you win, and that's

1450
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 1: just the way it is. Um in hunting in a tournament,

1451
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:09,799
Speaker 1: so um and hunting, you know, it's it's brutal, I guess,

1452
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 1: because it's more of jeezus not who knows when the

1453
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 1: next chance is going to be, you know, in tournaments,

1454
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, the next tournaments next weekend, I'm gonna

1455
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 1: win that one, you know, like I'm gonna I'm gonna

1456
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 1: regroup and win that one. But with a giant deer

1457
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 1: or an animal you're after, you don't even know if

1458
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 1: there is going to be another opportunity. So it's a

1459
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 1: lot harder to recover for me when I blow that

1460
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 1: than a tournament, I guess. So like the main thing

1461
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 1: I do is just regroup. I'm like I have to, Like,

1462
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 1: obviously you're gonna be down, like you're bombed, especially like

1463
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 1: wound in a big buck is like the worst, you know,

1464
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 1: like it's like pretty final, like you know, he might die,

1465
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 1: he might not and he might never show up again. Um,

1466
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 1: and so it's like I didn't you know That's that's

1467
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 1: probably the worst feeling as a bowl hunter that you

1468
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 1: could feel, is sticking up you know, an animal and

1469
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 1: then like not recovering it and not knowing like is

1470
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 1: he still alive? Is he dead somewhere? You know? What's

1471
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 1: going on? I don't know and so um, that's hard

1472
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 1: to recover from. But you also have to realize that's

1473
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 1: gonna happen, and that's part of it, and it's easier

1474
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 1: said than done, but at some point you gotta be

1475
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 1: able to be like, okay, like that's just part of it.

1476
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 1: It's a sucky part of bow hunting, and um, you've

1477
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 1: got to do everything you can to make decisions to

1478
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 1: try not let it happen again, but it probably will

1479
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 1: if you're hunt enough and shoot enough. And um, you

1480
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 1: know a lot of times I've found that when you

1481
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 1: don't if you really put in the effort to recover

1482
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 1: a deer and you don't recover him, most of the

1483
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 1: time it's because he's still alive. And I found that

1484
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,680
Speaker 1: out so much. You know, you shoot it here like

1485
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 1: last year, I'll just be straight honest. I shot a

1486
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 1: deer in Nebraska. Looked like I hit him absolutely perfect,

1487
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 1: and um, he wheeled as the arrow hit him and

1488
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: it went in right in the crease, but it came

1489
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 1: out like in front of the same shoulders. While we

1490
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 1: found out later like your eyes see one thing, like

1491
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 1: no I smoked him or what actually happened is something

1492
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 1: totally different, and so We actually tracked that deer for

1493
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 1: fift yards and jumped him, and I'm like, holy cow,

1494
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 1: I this is the next day, still alive. And then

1495
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 1: a rifle hunter kills him two months later. It's like what,

1496
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 1: you know, like I would have met everything in the world.

1497
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 1: That deer was dead, you know, and it was just brutally,

1498
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 1: like mentally draining. So I mean, I guess you just

1499
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 1: have to put in every effort to recover them, every

1500
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 1: effort to do it right. Um. But then if you don't,

1501
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 1: you have to be able to, you know, move on

1502
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 1: or or I guess don't. I guess that's your call.

1503
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 1: But I tend to be on the more like I

1504
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 1: hate losing side, and I'm gonna try to never let

1505
01:17:56,840 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 1: that happen again. And you know, missing and is normally

1506
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 1: because of bad decisions at some point. For me, you know,

1507
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 1: it's not taking the time to get a perfect range

1508
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 1: or not, you know, seeing that overhanging lamb or or

1509
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 1: whatever it may be rushing myself. So um, I try

1510
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 1: to think about what I did wrong, what I could

1511
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:19,600
Speaker 1: have done different, and then um learn from it and

1512
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 1: move on. But you know, failure is definitely a part

1513
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 1: of bow hunting. Um, a big part of it that

1514
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to deal with and uh some form. Yeah,

1515
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: it's it's it doesn't sound very good to say, but

1516
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 1: getting good at failing is actually a very important part

1517
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 1: of bow hunting. It. Yeah, there's something that I got mad.

1518
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:42,799
Speaker 1: That's what I told somebody the other day that somebody

1519
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 1: that we were talking about I won't say who was

1520
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 1: just always in a bad mood. And Camp like always

1521
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 1: like something's going wrong, you know, like at the end

1522
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 1: of the world, like all the time, everybody's probably got

1523
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 1: that guy. They know it's like the negative Nancy. Nothing's

1524
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 1: going right. And if dang it, if I wanted something

1525
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 1: to be mad about hunting Camp, I could find it

1526
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 1: at any given time, Like if I just wanted so,

1527
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 1: like there's always things that are frustrating or like that

1528
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 1: just get on your nerves hunting. It's like, gosh, something's

1529
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 1: not working out right. But you can't you can't have

1530
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 1: that attitude. It's it's more about I mean, I don't

1531
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:22,719
Speaker 1: even want to say it, but it's like we're lucky,

1532
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, to just get to be out here, you know,

1533
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 1: hunting and chasing these critters, and like sometimes I just

1534
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 1: have to remind myself of that because I get so

1535
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 1: worked up, like chasing an animal, but like I got

1536
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 1: blinders on, you know, and like I feel like God

1537
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 1: sometimes brains me back in and it's like, hey, you

1538
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 1: know what, Like is that really what it's all about?

1539
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 1: You know, So I gotta really refocus and go, you

1540
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 1: know what, if it works, it works, I'm gonna give

1541
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 1: her heck. But I gotta be thankful for just being

1542
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 1: able to be out here, you know, doing it could

1543
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 1: be way worse. It could be way worse, and I'm

1544
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 1: the exact same way. And the thing that has helped

1545
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 1: me the most, I think just in the last three

1546
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 1: and a half years is when I find myself in

1547
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 1: that mental state where I missed a deer or stuff's

1548
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 1: not going right or whatever, and I'm in the pits

1549
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:16,599
Speaker 1: there for that evening said or that moment when I'm

1550
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 1: driving home in the truck or whatever, if I just remember,

1551
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:22,719
Speaker 1: like remember your kids, Like I just think about my kids,

1552
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 1: like I'm so lucky to have these two awesome little boys.

1553
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 1: You're so You're so blessed, and and that little perspective

1554
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 1: shift can always like help get me out of there quick,

1555
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,559
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, the hunt's not going right, or yeah,

1556
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:37,680
Speaker 1: you screwed up, you made a mistake, But gosh, in

1557
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:40,799
Speaker 1: the big scheme of things, this matters so little compared

1558
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 1: to those really important things in life. But like you said,

1559
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:45,680
Speaker 1: we can get so worked up and all of a

1560
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 1: sudden it feels like it's life or death. But really

1561
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 1: we're just out there like idiots run around with a

1562
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 1: stick and string, and uh. In the big scheme of things,

1563
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:58,640
Speaker 1: there's there's a whole lot more important things to worry about. Absolutely, man,

1564
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 1: that read that exact. It has got me through so

1565
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 1: many like tournaments and and situations that were like high pressure,

1566
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 1: like because it's like it'll crush you with sometimes that

1567
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 1: pressure will if you let it. And it's just like,

1568
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 1: you know what, in the big scheme of things, just

1569
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 1: really ain't that important. You know. It's like my kids

1570
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 1: are healthy, I got a lot to be thankful for.

1571
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 1: Like let's just enjoy it and move on. You know.

1572
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 1: So that's hard, easier said than done. And it's not

1573
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 1: like I am in a great mood after I miss

1574
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 1: a giant animal. It's not it. I'm still very upset,

1575
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:33,600
Speaker 1: but it's like, Okay, I'll get over it. You know

1576
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 1: life will go on. That's right. Well leave, I we

1577
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 1: gotta we gotta wrap this one up. But great, great insight.

1578
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you sharing this, and it's it's I

1579
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 1: know you don't feel good about this is what I'm

1580
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 1: gonna say next. But I think it is probably reassuring

1581
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 1: for a lot of people listening to know that even

1582
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 1: you miss dear every once in a while, because if

1583
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:58,799
Speaker 1: that's the case, then everyone should feel like they're not alone.

1584
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 1: I guess out the best shoot of the world is

1585
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:03,639
Speaker 1: doing it too, so we're we're a good company. I've

1586
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 1: missed sheep, olt beer, you name it, I miss so

1587
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:11,559
Speaker 1: it's part of it. Well where can where can people

1588
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 1: go LEVI to to watch the show or keep up

1589
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 1: with you and what you guys are up to these days. Yeah,

1590
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 1: the show is on the Outdoor Channel and we uh

1591
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 1: we air four times a week. It's called Bowlife. I'm

1592
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 1: our main airings or Tuesday night, Thursday night, I think

1593
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 1: Thursday night, like seven seven thirty something like that. I

1594
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 1: don't watch my show because I'm normally hunting. But anyways,

1595
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 1: Tuesday nights and Thursday nights on the Outdoor Channel and

1596
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,720
Speaker 1: then pretty much can keep up with everything I'm doing

1597
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 1: on Instagram, which is bowlife Levi on Instagram. So other

1598
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 1: than that, yeah, we're just uh this time of year

1599
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 1: full till hunting, so yeah, I gotta love it. Well, uh,

1600
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:51,479
Speaker 1: you're already off to a great start, but I hope

1601
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 1: this success continues for Levi. I appreciate you taking time, Chap,

1602
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:58,920
Speaker 1: same to you, man, I appreciate it all right, And

1603
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 1: that's it. Thanks for listening to Hope you enjoyed this

1604
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:04,760
Speaker 1: conversation with Levi Morrigan. Make sure to check him out

1605
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:07,599
Speaker 1: in all those places he mentioned, And as I said

1606
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 1: at the top of the show, subscribe to that Wired

1607
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:12,639
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1608
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:16,040
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1609
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:18,680
Speaker 1: new white tail content we're putting out there hoping to

1610
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 1: help you have the best hunting season of your life.

1611
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 1: So best to luck out there, enjoy, Thank you for listening,

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01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:28,400
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