1 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to securing America with me, Frank Affney. The problem 2 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: that's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country 3 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: we love against all enemies, foreign and domestic, to the 4 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: glory of God and his kingdom. Well, we're going to 5 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: do a special today on the enemy's domestic piece of 6 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: our national security challenges, national security, homeland security. The trouble 7 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: is that increasingly it's hard to distinguish which is the 8 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: greater peril. We're going to be talking with one of 9 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,959 Speaker 1: the country's pre eminent experts. In fact, I call him 10 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: a binational treasure. His name is Trevor Laudon. Many of 11 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: you are familiar with his work. We're going to have 12 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: a full hour of his time. Before we do, I'd 13 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: just like to set up the stage for our conversation 14 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: by a few thoughts of my own about the enemy within. 15 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: There is at the moment a sizeable population inside our 16 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: country of people who have, for whatever reason, decided that 17 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: they would rather align with, or at least benefit from 18 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: aligning with, some other force. Often it is a foreign force. 19 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: Sometimes it is an ideological force that is domestic as well. 20 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: But whatever it's providence, whatever its character, whatever the degree 21 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: of conviction to which it is adhered to. These enemies 22 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: within confront our nation with the problem unlike any we've 23 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: seen before, certainly not since Franklin Delano Roosevelt interred large 24 00:01:54,560 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: numbers of Chinese excuse me, in turned large numbers of 25 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: Japanese American citizens. We're going to explore what it means 26 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: for you in this moment in the course of our 27 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: conversation now with Trevor Alaudner. Trevor is, of course a 28 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: highly acclaimed author, a filmmaker, an essayist, researcher I think 29 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: without peer, especially when it comes to this very important 30 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: question of are we in fact now well awash with 31 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: enemies within? And are they now constituting a mortal threat 32 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: to obviously our internal security but to the nation itself. 33 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: And if so, why, how has this come to pass? 34 00:02:54,760 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: And who would benefit most from these enemies, especially to 35 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: the extent that they are demonstrably working together with our 36 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: foreign foes. Trevor has been particularly recognized, I think it's 37 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: fair to say for a book and film by the 38 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: name of Enemies Within, Enemies Within the Church, another very 39 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: important film and myriad books in which he lays out 40 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: with exhaustive detail the evidence that people in various walks 41 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: of life, notably in the United States government, have actually 42 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: become friends of our enemies and therefore compromised in ways 43 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: that could be very problematic. Indeed, I'm thinking of a 44 00:03:52,960 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: six volume set of analyzes of members of Congress titled 45 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: The House on Americans, the two volume set of profiles 46 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: of senators known as the Security Risk Senators. He has 47 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: written about the Australian Prime Minister, now recently re elected, 48 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: the former Vice President of the United States, fortunately not 49 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: elected into the presidency, and he is in short, an 50 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: incredible resource. We are privileged to have him with us always, 51 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: but especially for an extended conversation. Ever loud and welcome 52 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: back to Securing Americas. 53 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: Well, thanks so much, Frank, always a pleasure, and thanks 54 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: so much to viewers out there. 55 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: Well, I think they thank you, and they certainly will 56 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: by the time we're done. I think today, Trevor, let's 57 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: just level set a little bit on the phenomenon. Enemies 58 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 1: is a term that is sometimes and it about incautiously 59 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: within connotes inside the territory of the United States. But 60 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: define the terms as you use them and give us 61 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: a sense of how people come to be enemies within. 62 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 2: Well. An enemy within is anybody who, through ideology or 63 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 2: money or compromise, puts the interests of a foreign power 64 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 2: or a foreign ideology above those of the United States. Now, 65 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 2: that could be a Cuban spy. It could be a 66 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: businessman doing shady deals with the Iranian. It could be 67 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 2: a drug trafficker trafficking in you know, Chinese fentanyl. It 68 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 2: could be a senator who's basically trying to change policy 69 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: in favor of communist China. It could be a movie 70 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,239 Speaker 2: mogul who only makes movies that show China in a 71 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 2: good light. It could be a Wall Street financier or 72 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: a hedge trader who who does big, big deals with 73 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 2: China and helps to build up China's military. All of 74 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 2: those from from the street level radical who throws rocks 75 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 2: at the cops to you know, somebody in the most 76 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: powerful boardrooms of the United States could be an enemy 77 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 2: within the within, very very very easy. We've seen examples 78 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 2: at every level for many years now. 79 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: You know. I tend to think that we confront in 80 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: the wider world, Trevor, what I call the totalitarian trifecta, 81 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: the Chinese communists and all of the other sort of 82 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: communists that now I think largely follow the dominating lead 83 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: of the CCP. We have globalists who have emerged, notably 84 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: in places like the United Nations, the World Health Organization, 85 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: the World Economic Forum, of course, and then I think 86 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: of as Sharia supremacists that are widely dispersed around the 87 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: world adherence to the authoritative version of Sharia. We'll talk 88 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: about each of those, I'm sure, in turn. But is 89 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: it fair to say that each of those ideological adversaries 90 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: of our country? And I don't think there's any getting 91 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: around that they are adversaries of our country. They all 92 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: seek to dispose of us in furtherance of their own 93 00:07:52,840 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: global ambitions, have their friends, their ally as their proxies 94 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: there associates inside our country, and are red against us 95 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: as well. 96 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, look absolutely, Look, and you talk about the globalist 97 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: World Economic Forum, et cetera. Well, to a large degree, 98 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 2: the globalists, through the United Nations, the World Health Organization 99 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 2: and similar organizations all dance to the Chinese and to 100 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 2: some degree the Russian tune, you know, So they're still 101 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 2: there's a big overlap between the old communist movement modern Russia, 102 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 2: the United Nations, the globalists, et cetera. And there's a 103 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 2: very big overlap between some of those globalist groups and 104 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 2: the Russians and the Chinese, and the Cubans and the Iranians, 105 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 2: with the Muslim supremacists as well. You know that we 106 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 2: talk off and frank about the Red Green axes, and 107 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 2: we've seen that in play over the last year in 108 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: American campuses, where communists grew working with Islamist groups to 109 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 2: stir up hatred against Israel and create chaos. But in 110 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 2: the early days of the Soviet Union, the Soviets reached 111 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: into the madrasas and the Mosques and started up a 112 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 2: lot of the early mos you know, Arab terrorist groups, 113 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 2: the PLO, they were involved in Hamas, the Popular Front 114 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: for the Liberation of Palestine, et cetera. So, yeah, there 115 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 2: are those three poles, but they all overlap, and they 116 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: all hate Israel and they all hate America. So you 117 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 2: will see them work together very closely. 118 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 3: Hold that thought. 119 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: We're going to come right back to it with Trevor Luden, 120 00:09:43,440 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: the author of, among other things, Enemies Within. 121 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 3: Welcome Back. 122 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: Trevor Loudon is in the house. We are visiting with 123 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: him about a phenomenon that he has I think helped 124 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: us understand as enemies within the United States. We're exploring 125 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: some of them, and not least the problem of how 126 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: they are working together to advance what is, at least 127 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: for the moment, a shared objective of taking down this 128 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: country some of its friends, notably Israel. And Trevor, you 129 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: were talking a little bit about what's going on in 130 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: some of the college campuses, well, a lot of the 131 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: college campuses not so long ago, and may at any moment, 132 00:10:53,880 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: you know, resume between on the one hand, pro jihadist, 133 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: pro Hamas, pro Sharia types, many of whom are college 134 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: kids who don't know anything about any of this, I guess, 135 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: but they're being utilized, weaponized by folks with those proclivities 136 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: on the one hand, and then on the other there 137 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: are these Marxists deeply penetrated inside academia, to be sure, 138 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about this red green axis for 139 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: one of a better term, and how is it they 140 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 1: overlook how on the one hand they're working with atheistic 141 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: Marxists and on the other hand, they're working with people 142 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: who are championing, you know, the premiscy of a well 143 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: an ideological program that has a patina of religiosity to 144 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: it the Sharia supremacism. 145 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 2: Well, well that's right. You know, how do you get 146 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 2: radical called gihrdes working with transgender queer radicals? People they 147 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 2: would throw off a roof if they happen to be 148 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: in the in Tehran or someone like that. 149 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:19,239 Speaker 1: So look, that's not just an expression, that is literal. 150 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 2: That's what they do. 151 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 3: What they do. 152 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, they throw homosexuals off roofs. It's a time honored practice. 153 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: But you've got gihrdes on our campuses who would do 154 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 2: that back in Iran, working with gender queers, working with 155 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 2: radical feminists, working with all sorts of woke radicals on 156 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 2: our campuses. Why because they hate America more than they 157 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 2: hate each other. They are willing to overlook each other's 158 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 2: idiosyncrasies because they see that by working together. As Carlos 159 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 2: the Jackal said, the famous terrorist America can be brought 160 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: down by an alliance of is Islamic He didn't say Exlamic, 161 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 2: Exlomic middleitants and communist activists. He saw that as the 162 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 2: way forward. And he was a Cuban sponsored Venezuelans. You know, 163 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 2: he was a hardcore communist radical still in jail now, 164 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 2: I believe. But so that is the way forward. They see, 165 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 2: they see there's a big enough Muslim population in America 166 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 2: now to create a lot of problems if necessary. There 167 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 2: is a growing radical population on the campuses who now 168 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 2: see they regard the Trump administration as a Nazi administration. 169 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 2: This is not what it is, but that's how they 170 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 2: see it, and so everything is off the table now. 171 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 2: The Great Canary Mission organization sent out a video not 172 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 2: long ago with clips of various radical leftist Muslims on 173 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 2: our campuses talking about by the end of this year, 174 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 2: many of us won't be here because and the clear 175 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: implication was they said, basically laid out, there is going 176 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 2: to be terrorist acts on our city, in our country 177 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: this year, and some of these people are going to 178 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 2: die in the process, but they are martyrs for the 179 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 2: cause and they will get their heavenly reward. Well, the 180 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 2: communists don't care about a heavenly reward. They're quite happy 181 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: to let the Moslems take the heat and do the killing. 182 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 2: But I really think we are going to see the 183 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 2: red green axes alive on our streets this summer. And 184 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 2: I pray that I'm wrong. I pray that I'm the 185 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 2: I look the biggest fall in America by the end 186 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 2: of summer. But they are planning it. They are working together. 187 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 2: You've got a new breed of leftists who are basically 188 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 2: like the weather underground of the seventies. These are the 189 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:58,239 Speaker 2: extreme of the extreme. And especially since the October seven attacks, 190 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 2: you've seen an upsurd and young Muslim radicals just so 191 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 2: upset and so carried away. And this unholy alliance has 192 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: come together. And they all hate Trump, and they all 193 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: hate Conservatives, and they all hate Republicans. They see themselves 194 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 2: as conducting a gorilla war and occupied territory the Muslims. 195 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 2: It's where they're under occupation by the Great Satan, the 196 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 2: Marxist kids that are under occupation by late stage capitalism. 197 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 2: So I think we're coming to a climax in this, 198 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 2: and I think Americans should be prepared, you know, land 199 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 2: stocks of medicine, land stocks of food, because we could 200 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 2: see some serious disruption on our streets, and particularly if China, 201 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 2: if China attacks Taiwan or something goes nuclear in the 202 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 2: Middle East, Know, something goes really bad, an attack on 203 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 2: Iran or something break you attacked by Israel on Iran, 204 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 2: is pretty imminent, and I think that will be the 205 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 2: signal for major, major upsurge in this country. I think 206 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 2: they could happen any day. 207 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: I have to say, I'm hearing this forecast from a 208 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: number of our reliable sources. Tever, you're not alone, needless 209 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: say as to you, I pray that will not take place. 210 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: But it is increasingly clear that the makings of widespread 211 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: civil unrest, if not actual revolution, are being put into place. 212 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: Not least is that combination of forces augmented, it must 213 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: be said, by what some have estimated are tens of 214 00:16:54,200 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: thousands of people's liberation army arratives who have been brought in, 215 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: as you know, across an open border during the Biden years, 216 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 1: but also trevor large numbers of jihadists who have been important, 217 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: some you know, illegally clandestinely, more or less some brought 218 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: in from Afghanistan quite you know, formally and officially. Give 219 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 1: us a readout on how those kinds of trained personnel 220 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 1: might change the complexion of what could otherwise be kind 221 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: of a more amateur problem in America. 222 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 2: Well, exactly, I've got a good friend in Los Angeles, 223 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 2: and she was doing electoral canvassing and finding meeting in 224 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 2: car parks in Los Angeles. All these Chechens and Tajiks 225 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: and Iranians and others who were basically living in the well. 226 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 2: They had quarters arranged for them. They had places to 227 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 2: live that have been range before they come across the water. 228 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 2: But they're all driving ride share, you know, Uber and 229 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,719 Speaker 2: Lyft and door dash and this kind of thing. So 230 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 2: they were getting to know the city. They were getting 231 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 2: to know where who ordered stuff from Jewish delis and 232 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 2: things like this. And there was no reason these people 233 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 2: should be here. These were people from countries that aren't 234 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 2: a natural source of immigration to America. So these people 235 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 2: are sent here and they have accommodation arrange for them. 236 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 2: And so now you've got you've got the that's the 237 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 2: jihadi side of it, and then you've got the Chinese side. 238 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 2: We know thousands of military age guys, some allegedly spent 239 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 2: Chinese special forces are here now. They will be mapping 240 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 2: out infrastructure, they will be practicing with weapons, they will 241 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 2: be possibly playing around with biological weapons or chemical weapons. 242 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 2: They'll be mapping out stadiums and supermarkets and soft targets 243 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 2: and airports. You know that these people are not coming 244 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 2: here to go to Vegas. They are here to take 245 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 2: down their worst enemy in the world. And you know, 246 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 2: the minute things turn hot on the international stage, I believe, 247 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 2: is when these people will be unleashed inside America. 248 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: Trevor again, I want to come back to that thought. 249 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: But when we return after this next break, I specifically 250 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: want to talk about some of those who are helping 251 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: organize these kinds of individuals and groups inside the United States. 252 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: That and much more with Trevor Louden, among other things, 253 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: the author of Security Risk, Senators and House on Americans. 254 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 3: We'll be right back. 255 00:19:49,400 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: Want to miss a word of this statue. Welcome back. 256 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: We are speaking with Trevor Louden for this full hour. 257 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: Want a treat a man whose expertise on the topic 258 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: of the day enemies within is I believe on paralleled 259 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: has certainly been at the very forefront of documenting and 260 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: raising awareness and well raising the alarm about what this 261 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: problem of hostile elements inside the United States might mean 262 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: for all of us. And we're going to talk before 263 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: the show is ever about his very I think important 264 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: ideas about what we need to do about it. 265 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 3: But one other. 266 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: Piece of this, and I want to tease out with you, Trevor, 267 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 1: you've sort of characterized the phenomenon of enemies within and 268 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: how people come to be part of that well, that 269 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: threat vector, for want of a better term. You've talked 270 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: a bit about some of those who populate the ranks 271 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:15,479 Speaker 1: of groups that might be hostile, whether they're you know, 272 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: formally tied with foreign governments or otherwise. I wanted to 273 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: turn to one of the governments that is particularly troubling, 274 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: and I have to say I have very profound misgivings 275 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: about President Trump's lavish embrace of the emir of this government, 276 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: namely that of Cutter, during his visits recently to the 277 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: Middle East. We are, of course often told that Cutter 278 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: is a major non NATO ally. It houses one of 279 00:21:53,760 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: our largest overseas bases. It has been, we're told, helpful 280 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 1: in brokering ceasefire negotiations between is Hamas and Israel and 281 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: trying to moderate other problems in Syria as. 282 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 3: Well as with Iran. 283 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: Again, tell us a little bit about Cutter, especially from 284 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: the perspective of someone who is concerned about the enemy 285 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: within and the role they're playing in greatly magnifying that thread. 286 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 2: Well, look, Kata is a major's center of Muslim Brotherhood 287 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 2: at activity. It's one of the key centers in the 288 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 2: world of Muslim brotherhood activity and is known to have 289 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 2: sponsored and participated in and aiding terrorists sheltering terrorists for many, 290 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 2: many years. 291 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: It is before you go further, Trevor, I see for interrupting, 292 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: but just maybe explain why the Muslim Brotherhood is a problem. 293 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: I think most of our audience knows. Yeah, fair a 294 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: bit about it. But your view on it, Well. 295 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 2: A Muslim Brotherhood's been around since the twenties, but they 296 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 2: they learned their infiltration skills from the Soviet Union, you know, 297 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 2: in the back of when they were well, probably from 298 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 2: the Nazis and the Soviets. They really fell in with 299 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 2: the Soviets after World War Two when their Nazi allies 300 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 2: would defeat it, and so they have a long term Yeah, well, 301 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 2: their goal. Their goal is to deliver the world to Allah. 302 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 2: The whole world belongs to Allah, and anybody who's not 303 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,719 Speaker 2: a Muslim is a trespasser. So their goal is to 304 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:49,719 Speaker 2: use subversion, terrorism, even war to recover the whole world 305 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 2: for Allah. 306 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: Now in the West, say I usually shamelessly plugged it about 307 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: at this point this book the explanatory memorandum talks about 308 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: specifically the Muslim Brotherhood's mission in America as quote, destroying. 309 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 3: Western civilization from within by their unbelievers as well as 310 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 3: the believers. Quote. 311 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 1: So that is the group that the Kataris are working 312 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: particularly closely with both elsewhere and here is. 313 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 2: That right exactly? And see the thing in Hamas is 314 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 2: really upfront for the Muslim brother that's a Muslim Brotherhood 315 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 2: created organization. So they are very key players in world terrorism. 316 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 2: But in the United States particularly, they tend to work politically. 317 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 2: They tend to work in influence operations. They are softening 318 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 2: us up before they directly attack us. They know it 319 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 2: would be madness to declare war in America now. But 320 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 2: by funding they got. The thing is they got more 321 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 2: than the Soviet Communists. That they got a lot of money. 322 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 2: So they can buy endowments and universities, they can buy 323 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 2: advertisements in major newspapers, They con sponsor conferences, they can, 324 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 2: you know, get their people onto boards. You know, President 325 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 2: Trump's disappointed to Muslim Brotherhood linked operatives to his Religious 326 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,239 Speaker 2: Freedom's board. You know, no doubt, I'd like to know 327 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 2: who recommended those people. So the see the goal of 328 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 2: this infiltration. See you look, look back. You know, why 329 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 2: couldn't America win the Korean War? Why couldn't America win 330 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 2: the Vietnam War? Why did America get bogged down in 331 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 2: the war on terrorism? Because you had people in our government, 332 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 2: the communists in the case of you know, Vietnam and 333 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 2: Korea and all that kind of thing. Who's in the 334 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 2: State Department who actively sabotaged a proper response to the enemy, 335 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 2: who basically sold out countries to the enemy. Well, Diana 336 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 2: West points out in a great book, you know, American betrayal, 337 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 2: the same tactics used by the Soviets in the nineteen 338 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 2: forties and fifties and well beyond. You know, we lost 339 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 2: the Vietnam War because the Soviets and Communists spent more 340 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 2: money on the American protest movement and in the American 341 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 2: Congress than they did in backing the North Vietnamese. But 342 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,479 Speaker 2: this is a problem that was never cleaned out in 343 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,719 Speaker 2: those days. The infiltration of the State Department, the co 344 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 2: option of several Congress members, peace movement activity, all of 345 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 2: this directed by the Soviet Union. Then La had taken 346 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 2: over by the Chinese. Now being the same things that 347 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 2: been done by the Iranians and the Qataris, etc. So 348 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 2: they have a lot of money. They are more money 349 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 2: than the Soviets ever had. So they're buying up our businesses, 350 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 2: they're buying up our senators, they're buying up all sorts 351 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 2: of things. And now President Trump is giving one of 352 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 2: our worst enemies respectability and greater access to our business community, 353 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 2: which will then be used to basically subvert the country. 354 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 2: You know, the same as opening up to China. You know, 355 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 2: China was nothing. So Kissinger scammed Nixon into opening up 356 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 2: with China because they'll come more like us. Right now, 357 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 2: They've got a military that can challenge us, and they've 358 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 2: so infiltrated us. You know, we make billions trading with them, 359 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 2: and then we have to spend by a factor of 360 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 2: five the amount we've made defending ourselves from what we created, 361 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 2: and the same is going to happen with Kata. This 362 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 2: is a very very bad move on the part of 363 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 2: the President. 364 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: I fear so as well. Trevor and people have on 365 00:27:53,680 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: this program in fact, sort of tried to put best 366 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: face on this. They can by suggesting that, well, if 367 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: we only engage and entangle ourselves more fully with those 368 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: like the Qataris, you know, get vast amounts of money 369 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: from you know, their oil or gas revenues in the 370 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: case of Cutter shipped into this country and have them 371 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 1: buy weapons, and have them make investments and so on. 372 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: All will be well, we will not have war. And 373 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: it's important to note, and you've just sort of alluded 374 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: to it, that was pretty much what we thought would 375 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: come of, or what's told at least would come of 376 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: engaging and otherwise enriching the children's communists. 377 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, this is this would be the equivalent of 378 00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 2: President Roosevelt doing deals with Nazi Germany and nineteen thirty 379 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 2: nine opening a hotel in Berlin or something and doing 380 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 2: these massive trade deals, doing the same thing with Mussolini. 381 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 2: You know, it was you know, for fifty years, the 382 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 2: United States has blockaded Cuba because the Cuban has been selling, 383 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 2: been smuggling drugs to our country, stealing our secrets, co 384 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 2: opting our congress members, particularly in the Black Congressional the 385 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 2: Congressional Black Caucus, turning a whole bunch of them to 386 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 2: Cuban agents. And to stop that, to slow it down, 387 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 2: we have sanctioned Cuba very very effectively and necessarily. But 388 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 2: we haven't done that to Cuba's major sponsors, I, Russia, 389 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 2: China and their friend Aram. You know, we've got to 390 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 2: apply the same strategy. The only reason these countries are 391 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 2: a threat to us is because stupid people have allowed 392 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 2: them to become a meshed in our economies and those 393 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 2: and our government and our enemies have exploited that, and 394 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 2: they brought up so many of our congressmen and senators 395 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 2: that when you try and get it stopped, it's very 396 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 2: hard to stop the gravy train because so many people 397 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 2: are on the take. 398 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: So, whether it's the Chinese communists or the guitaries when 399 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: we see them making significant investments in our college campuses, 400 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: for example, or our media, including we're increasingly hearing conservative 401 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: media at least on the part of the qataries to 402 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: say nothing of the financial sector or businesses, or for 403 00:30:52,880 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: that matter, government collective office campaigns. Perhaps we should be 404 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: on notice that that is perilous in the extreme. 405 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 3: Is that your sort of bottom line? 406 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 2: Look, it's all about influence. And I quoted my book 407 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 2: on Kamala Harris Stealth. I quote a top Chinese official 408 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 2: and said, we are going to have organizations in every 409 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 2: congressional district in America, whether it's car plants, battery plants, 410 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 2: voter registration organizations, because if we have these organizations that 411 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 2: employ large numbers of Americans, the local congressman will never 412 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 2: vote against China because a large number of his constituencies 413 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 2: jobs depend on China. 414 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 3: Hold the thought, Trevor. We're going to come right back 415 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 3: on that point. Stay tuned, folks will be with you 416 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 3: in just a moment. 417 00:31:51,120 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: More of Trevor Lavian, author of Enemies Within Welcome back. 418 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: And I'm delighted to say we have Trevor laden still 419 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: with us. In fact, we have two more segments with him, 420 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: rounding out this very deep dive on the problem, the phenomenon, 421 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: the largely unappreciated danger of the enemies within the United 422 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: States at this moment. Trevor, we talked a bit about 423 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: what Kataris are doing to penetrate and subvert, certainly influence Americans. 424 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: Bring them alongside. Let's talk a little bit about the 425 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: Chinese in particular, in addition to the People's Liberation Army 426 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: personnel that we've heard are now operating inside this country. 427 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 3: Exactly they're doing, where. 428 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: They're doing it, unclear alas, but they appear to be 429 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: here in very large numbers. So are students from China populating. 430 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: I think most, if not virtually all of our college 431 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: campuses talk a little bit about how you get to 432 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: be a student in the United States from China. 433 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 3: What are the legal and other restraints under which you 434 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 3: have to operate, and what. 435 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: Might that mean in terms of a vast cohort. I 436 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: mean's something on the north of three hundred thousand, I'm told, 437 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: should they become weaponized against us as well? 438 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 2: Well, they are being weaponized now, but I'll explain that. 439 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 2: But look, you come here from China, if you're a 440 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 2: member of a Communist party family, or your family is 441 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 2: regarded as loyal to the regime. If your family is 442 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 2: Fealongong or Christian or underground Catholic, you're not coming to 443 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 2: the United States. You can forget it. You have to 444 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 2: be loyal, you have to have family back home, you 445 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 2: have to be controllable, and so so you know, large numbers. 446 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,240 Speaker 2: They reckon at least ten percent of the Chinese students 447 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 2: here are answerable to the intelligence services. I would say 448 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 2: it's one hundred percent personally, but they say at least 449 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 2: ten percent, and they are working in labs. They're working 450 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 2: in it, they are working and all sorts of sophisticated. 451 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,320 Speaker 2: You know, these kids don't come here to study sociology. 452 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 2: They do the stems, they do sciences, they do hard 453 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 2: stuff that has national security implications. But here's the other thing. 454 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 2: There's been major scandals in China about Chinese students being 455 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 2: used to fake vote and man polling boots in certain 456 00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 2: Canadian elections. They reckon they influenced at least twelve twelve 457 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 2: seats in the election before the last one, probably way 458 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 2: more in the last election in Australia. Yeah, in Canada. 459 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 2: In Australia they said there was a thirty percent swing 460 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 2: towards the Labor Party by Chinese immigrants in the in 461 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 2: students in the last election. That's unheard of because the 462 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 2: Chinese Communist Party basically made it very clear who their 463 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,840 Speaker 2: favorite candidate was, the Communist Albanesi, the incumbent prime minister. 464 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 2: They wanted him back. So it's like the Moslims, you know. 465 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: With profile in your newest book, come Prime Minister. 466 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 2: Prime Minister year. So look, they are they are used 467 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 2: for all sorts of things, and that's why they have 468 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 2: these Chinese police stations all over America. These these are 469 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 2: not like a station where you're going to lay a 470 00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 2: complaint if, for somebody, somebody drops rubbish in your backyard. 471 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 2: These are little groups of Chinese affiliated people who monitor 472 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,359 Speaker 2: the local Chinese students and the Chinese diasper make sure 473 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,280 Speaker 2: there's no impure thoughts getting in sending information back to China, 474 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 2: all this kind of thing. Tim Walls, as I record 475 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 2: my book too, was very very close to one of 476 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 2: these Chinese police stations in Minneapolis, which has a large 477 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 2: Chinese community. So these Chinese students, look, they should not 478 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 2: be allowed in the country. It's as simple as that, 479 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 2: you know, would you bring in three hundred thousand German 480 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:43,280 Speaker 2: students who are all the children of Nazi Party members 481 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 2: in nineteen thirty nine and expect to have a good result? 482 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: So, Trevor, the other piece of this is that every 483 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:59,360 Speaker 1: single one of these students, in addition to being selected 484 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: because well, I guess have a good social credit score 485 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: and lineage, political, if not physical, they know that they're 486 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: here under the laws of China. Are they not talk 487 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: a little bit about that? And I'm told that one 488 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: of the other facets of these so called overseas police 489 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 1: service centers is to have the students in question here 490 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 1: in the States see some of their loved ones in 491 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: the hands of what looked like some pretty unsavory thugs 492 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 1: in China, presumably law enforcement personnel or Ministry of State 493 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 1: Security or something. They're under no illusion that they have 494 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,439 Speaker 1: to abide by what they're being told to do. 495 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 3: Is that right? 496 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 1: And what kinds of things do you believe they are 497 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: being told by the CCP. 498 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 2: Well, they've been told together information. They've been told to 499 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 2: vote certain ways or get involved in elections, whether illegally 500 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 2: or not, usually illegally. They are also you know, there 501 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 2: are major Chinese sponsored voter registration organizations here in the 502 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 2: Key Swing states, run through the Chinese Progressive Association with 503 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 2: San Francisco, which works directly with the Chinese consulate in 504 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 2: San Francisco. They boast that they won the election for 505 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 2: Biden Harris in twenty twenty. They made the difference in 506 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 2: this key state. So that and some of these students 507 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 2: will also have military backgrounds. But I think the main 508 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 2: thing they will do is be used to police other students, 509 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 2: So they're all policing each other and steal technology, and 510 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 2: you you know, steal patents, steal technology, still chemical processes, 511 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 2: still military secrets. And also the other thing we've we've 512 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 2: found several that have been several prosecutions in recent years 513 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 2: off spies, Chinese spies working in the US military, and 514 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:12,799 Speaker 2: everyone has been Chinese born. They may be American citizens, 515 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 2: they are in the military, and they've been prosecuted. And 516 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 2: everyone was either born in China or as Chinese parents, 517 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 2: every single one. 518 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: Which reminds me of terrible that Dick Durbin, Senator from Illinois, 519 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: has had the bright idea of having illegal aliens from overseas, 520 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: presumably Chinese among them, serve in the military. 521 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:40,799 Speaker 4: Well, that's right, mark these citizens. In short order, Trevor, 522 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 4: we have to take another short break. I vote you 523 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 4: to finish that particular thought. But I do want to 524 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 4: talk with you about your I think brilliant ideas about 525 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 4: what we need to do about. 526 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: These enemies with at this very very important juncture. We'll 527 00:39:54,719 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 1: get to that next. Welcome back to this final installment 528 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: of this very special edition of Securing America, where we 529 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: are speaking about the phenomenon of the enemies within with 530 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 1: one of the world's leading authorities on the subject. I 531 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 1: call him a binational Treasury Hills originally from New Zealand, 532 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: as you may have discerned from his accent, but he 533 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:38,359 Speaker 1: is very much part of America now having married an 534 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 1: American citizen and now making this his home, for which 535 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 1: we are profoundly grateful. And Trevor, I had to cut 536 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: you off due to the exigencies of time, but I 537 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 1: think you wanted to make a further point about yes 538 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 1: particular problem. 539 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 2: Well, look, Dick Durbin of Illinois, as you said, has 540 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,879 Speaker 2: pushed the idea of bringing illegals into the US mel 541 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 2: tree and giving them citizenship, and so has Mark Vacy, 542 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,399 Speaker 2: the Congressman from North Texas. He's done the same thing. 543 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 2: From the Armed Services Committee. Vycy is very close to 544 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 2: the Communist Party USA, which is completely law to China. 545 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 2: And Dick Durbin has a Communist background of his own 546 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 2: in his own rights, and is very close to the 547 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 2: Harness Center in Chicago, which is basically a pro North 548 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:32,240 Speaker 2: Korean outfit. So it's not surprising. Imagine having several hundred 549 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,759 Speaker 2: thousand illegal immigrants in the military, completely unvetted, from many 550 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 2: from hostile foreign countries. How dangerous would that be? In 551 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,919 Speaker 2: a war, or even the lead up to a war. 552 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 2: How much espionage, treachery and that are we opening ourselves 553 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 2: up to if we followed the advice of those two 554 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 2: extreme leftists. 555 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 1: Well, you know, it seems to me this speaks to 556 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 1: a larger problem, and we'll have to have you back 557 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: to discuss it at greater length because we've got one 558 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 1: other thing we need to address now, a lack of 559 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:13,360 Speaker 1: national security mindedness. It's it's simply insane if it's not 560 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 1: very malevolent that one would even contemplate, you know, the 561 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,760 Speaker 1: the blue on green problem or green on blue problem. 562 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: I guess it was called in Afghanistan, for example, where 563 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 1: you know, soldiers were being whacked by people they were 564 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 1: told to trust as comrades in arms, not in our 565 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 1: own uniform, but in an ally. It's ostensibly this would 566 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: be true in space. To say nothing of what harms 567 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:41,040 Speaker 1: they might do. 568 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 2: It would destroy their whole You would not trust. 569 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:45,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, at all. 570 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,360 Speaker 1: Part of the strategy isn't it down the US military? 571 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 1: So Trevor, you've done some very I think important and 572 00:42:53,640 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: creative thinking about how, given how advanced, how foreign fantastasized, 573 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 1: one might say this problem of enemies within is what 574 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: we might yet do to try to prevent the desired 575 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,359 Speaker 1: takedown of the country that apparently is animating them. 576 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 3: Give us your thoughts on that. 577 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,680 Speaker 2: Well, I think the biggest problem we have is the 578 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 2: massive Soviet, Russian, Chinese, Iranian, Cuban cartel globalist infiltration of 579 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:36,239 Speaker 2: our major institutions, including Congress, Hollywood, Wall Street, and so 580 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,840 Speaker 2: we can never do anything to counter our enemies because 581 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,879 Speaker 2: they have so many people inside our system who are 582 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:47,640 Speaker 2: stopping us. So President Trump has a unique opportunity here. 583 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,920 Speaker 2: He's finally got a director of the FBI who's going 584 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 2: to take security seriously, and he's got a massive problem 585 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,759 Speaker 2: of foreign infiltration. So what do you do? This is 586 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,759 Speaker 2: what I think he should do. Get Cash Battel to 587 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:06,759 Speaker 2: set up a new agency subsidiary to the FBI, totally 588 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 2: veted of ex military guys, special forces, sheriff's deputies, vet 589 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,040 Speaker 2: and vet and vet them. To get this elite unit 590 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 2: whose entire job is to go after foreign agents. So 591 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,879 Speaker 2: you've got this institution that is all about taking down 592 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,720 Speaker 2: foreign agents. And then the president could declare a three 593 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:38,720 Speaker 2: month amnesty. Every foreign subversive, every American traitor has got 594 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,920 Speaker 2: three months to come in and fire. Well, if you're foreigner, 595 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,920 Speaker 2: to leave the country and never come back. And if 596 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 2: you're a local, you come into the new agency and 597 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,799 Speaker 2: register your name, and you spill your guts, and you 598 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,840 Speaker 2: tell everything you've done, who you betrayed, what you stole, 599 00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,240 Speaker 2: who you bought off, You tell everything, and if you're honest, 600 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:06,480 Speaker 2: you get full immunity from prosecution, and your punishment is 601 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 2: between you and God. I think if the president did this, 602 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:16,279 Speaker 2: you'd see hundreds of thousands of Russians, Chinese cartel Iranians 603 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,319 Speaker 2: leave the country within three months, and I'd say you'd 604 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,879 Speaker 2: have several thousand people coming forward to tell what they 605 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 2: had done, because a lot of these people want out, 606 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,480 Speaker 2: they're trapped. They won out, but the only way out 607 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 2: is jail, right now, give them the way out. Look. 608 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,440 Speaker 2: That would cause a massive meltdown of every foreign intelligence 609 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,520 Speaker 2: network in the country, because the Iranian businessman who was 610 00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,680 Speaker 2: paying off the senator wouldn't know if the senator had 611 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 2: taken a deal and was wearing a wire, and the 612 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,480 Speaker 2: senator wouldn't know if the Iranian businessman had taken the 613 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,560 Speaker 2: deal and was wearing a wire. So there would melt 614 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,279 Speaker 2: down these all of these organizations would melt down, and 615 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,359 Speaker 2: you'd have several thousand people coming forward willing to tell 616 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 2: their story to the American public. The American public would 617 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,400 Speaker 2: finally understand how deep this problem was and would support 618 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,320 Speaker 2: the security measures going forward to make sure it doesn't 619 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 2: happen again. And you don't have to prosecute probably a 620 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,279 Speaker 2: few hundred people who didn't come forward, but you'd have 621 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:27,880 Speaker 2: the biggest cleansing of foreign influence operations in your country 622 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,480 Speaker 2: you've ever seen. It would completely wipe out these things, 623 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:37,080 Speaker 2: and America could finally start to recover some sanity and 624 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,000 Speaker 2: go forward to a much better future. It's the It's 625 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,480 Speaker 2: how you take down organized crime. You get low level guys, 626 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,360 Speaker 2: you offer them a deal, they rat on their bosses, 627 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,280 Speaker 2: and you take them down. This has to be applied 628 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:55,160 Speaker 2: to the penetration of foreign intelligence operations in America. This 629 00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:56,160 Speaker 2: is how it has to be. 630 00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,520 Speaker 3: Yew, this makes emminent sense to me. 631 00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,879 Speaker 1: And again, as you say, Trevor, this is not some 632 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 1: pie in the sky idea. This is something that has 633 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 1: been demonstrated to be successful in counter mafia operations. And 634 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,759 Speaker 1: I'm fond of saying that the Chinese Communist Party, and 635 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,000 Speaker 1: for that matter. I think these other totalitarian elements really 636 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:25,160 Speaker 1: are at their core transnational criminal organizations, so treat them 637 00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:30,000 Speaker 1: as such prospect that you may be able to turn 638 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:34,600 Speaker 1: them against one another to save our country from the 639 00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,400 Speaker 1: enemy within. Trevor Ludden, I can't believe how fast the 640 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,400 Speaker 1: time flies. You have been as always generous with that time, 641 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,319 Speaker 1: and I so appreciate what you do. Thank you for 642 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,960 Speaker 1: being one of our fellows at the Institute for the 643 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,440 Speaker 1: American Future, and for all your collective works. 644 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,400 Speaker 3: I know you'll keep it up. I hope you'll come 645 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:53,920 Speaker 3: back to with so. 646 00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,600 Speaker 1: I hope the rest of you'll do the same next time. 647 00:47:58,680 --> 00:47:59,840 Speaker 3: Until then, go forth and