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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well I want to

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Speaker 2: Edo State is that?

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Speaker 1: Whoo whoo and no Dan and tie Dan Robertstein Conference

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Speaker 1: Championship Week is here, my friend. I hate to interrupt

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Speaker 1: the conversation we were just having about your deep seated

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Speaker 1: desire to, at some point in life become a male carrier.

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Speaker 1: We can talk about that later, but it is to

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Well the way you you

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Speaker 2: But I do daydream about delivering mail in San Diego

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Speaker 2: and just playing tennis and enjoying a cool Pacific breeze.

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Speaker 1: On that weird note. Welcome back one and all. I

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Speaker 1: am ty he is Dan. This is a soliverbal Thank

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Speaker 1: if you want to sign up and support us even further.

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Speaker 1: We do have a game this weekend I will talk

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Speaker 1: I promise, because we've got a bunch of games to preview.

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Speaker 1: All in all, we have nine games this weekend. We've

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Speaker 1: six rematches of those nine. We're going to do our

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Speaker 1: We are recording this, I should add on early signing Day,

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Speaker 1: and you know our drill around here, Dan, we don't

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Speaker 1: But we're not there quite yet.

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Speaker 2: And there's still some outstanding, you know, commitments because of

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Speaker 1: Fine thunder. I didn't play the sound yet. I got

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying it's all affecting early signing days. So

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Speaker 2: And Penn State is running an extremely unsuccessful, unprofessional administration

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to be here. Listen,

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you where it leaves them, ty. It leaves

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Speaker 1: Do you punt? Do you give Terry Smith a three

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Speaker 1: I've seen here.

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Speaker 2: Stein would be willing. Also, it appears that Tash Lupoi,

436
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 2: it's not officially officially yet at the time of recording,

437
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 2: is taking the cow job. Obviously he played for and

438
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 2: coached at cals Organ losing both their coordinators after the postseason.

439
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 2: They're both going to stick around, as are a lot

440
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 2: of these guys sticking around. Brian Hartline, I believe, is

441
00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 2: sticking around in Columbus before heading down Tampa. A lot

442
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 2: of action tie, just not in state College.

443
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: In state College. Well there's that hole.

444
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 2: By the way, the whole time we were talking, I

445
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 2: was thinking about like two thousand and six Waiver Wire picks.

446
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 2: I was just like Richard Hidalgo's a name, right, that's

447
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 2: all I was thinking, like, then, Jeff.

448
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: Jenkins Man, Penn State's going to have to go to

449
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 1: the waiver wire to find their coach. Yeah, Willie Taggart.

450
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to put in like their entire FOB

451
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: budget to get Brian Dable, Mike Riley. God, Okay, anyway, Look,

452
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Speaker 1: we'll keep you up to speed on it. I've been

453
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 1: trying to tweet through the storm. I don't know what

454
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 1: the hell they're doing at this point. I have no idea.

455
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: I have some guesses, but I'm not going to put

456
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Speaker 1: it out there because I I I totally before my

457
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: top three was Kalani Sataki, Brian Hartline, and Brian Dable.

458
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Speaker 1: So I still got one left. We'll roll with that

459
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Speaker 1: until time when he's off the board as well and

460
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Speaker 1: they go with somebody else, if they go with somebody

461
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Speaker 1: else before the start of next season.

462
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Speaker 2: But Brian Dable was the one who was literally sitting

463
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Speaker 2: kicked to the curb. He was sitting on the curb

464
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Speaker 2: after being let go from the Giants. Unless that was

465
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Speaker 2: like a fake generated image, did you see that.

466
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Speaker 1: I saw he was carrying water bottles while wearing a

467
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Speaker 1: Penn State sweatshirt. But I didn't see him sitting on

468
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Speaker 1: a curb, so I don't know. Oh, okay, okay. So

469
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Speaker 1: there's that. Let's talk about some of this playoff stuff

470
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Speaker 1: you want to do that.

471
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Speaker 2: We can talk playoff and then we have conference championship game.

472
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Speaker 1: Year's eve will be so awesome. We have new playoff rankings. Dan,

473
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Speaker 1: it's the penultimate set of rankings. We've got Ohio State one,

474
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Speaker 1: Indiana two, Georgia up to three, Texas Tech up to four,

475
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Speaker 1: your Oregon Ducks up to five, Ole Miss at six A,

476
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Speaker 1: and m down four all the way to number seven,

477
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma holding steady at eight. To round things out, we've

478
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Speaker 1: got Alabama moving up one at nine, Notre Dame dropping

479
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Speaker 1: one to number ten, BYU holding steady at eleven, in

480
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Speaker 1: Miami at number twelve. There has been much, and I

481
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Speaker 1: do mean much online chatter about how the committee justified

482
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Speaker 1: some of these rankings, in particular, what is going on

483
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Speaker 1: at the back end of that twelve the Alabama Notre Dame,

484
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Speaker 1: BYU Miami, and I should mention Texas jumping about three

485
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: all the way to number thirteen. That grouping of five

486
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Speaker 1: teams has certainly animated the online college football sphere. The committee,

487
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Speaker 1: as they described it was, I guess impressed enough to

488
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Speaker 1: move Alabama up up one over Notre Dame after they

489
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Speaker 1: knocked off Auburn on the road a week ago. There

490
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Speaker 1: was some chatter about maybe if two teams are next

491
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Speaker 1: to each other, even if they don't play, they could

492
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Speaker 1: invoke some sort of tiebreaker, ie they still are giving

493
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Speaker 1: themselves away, perhaps to put Miami in front of Notre Dame.

494
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Speaker 1: The whole BYU discussion is I mean interesting in its

495
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: own right. They're eleven and one, they're behind three two

496
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 1: loss teams. They do have an opportunity to play their

497
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Speaker 1: way in this weekend. But it does beg the question

498
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: if they play a very tight game against Texas Tech,

499
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Speaker 1: could the committee favor them even in a loss. What

500
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Speaker 1: could happen for a school like Miami again that does

501
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,719
Speaker 1: not play, But what kind of upward mobility do they have?

502
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Speaker 1: Not just with respect to Notre Dame, but even if

503
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Speaker 1: a school like BYU were to lose by a close margin,

504
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: would be why you still be the buffer between Notre

505
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Speaker 1: Dame and Miami. It feels to me like there are

506
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Speaker 1: still a range of possibilities that could occur here over

507
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Speaker 1: the next week or so. And definitely as we get

508
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Speaker 1: into our playoff discussion here after this round of games,

509
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Speaker 1: it's going to be really interesting to see what happens.

510
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: But your thoughts here, You got any thoughts on what

511
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: we see in these latest batch of playoff rankings? No.

512
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 2: With each successive week, I feel like I am proven

513
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 2: more and more oppressions about doubting the committee. From the

514
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 2: start of this playoff from the four team from whatever,

515
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: I was like, this is a ridiculous idea. This committee

516
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: is flawed, and we're watching them amend things on the fly.

517
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: Right.

518
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: You see those commercials I forget what the name of

519
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: the product is, like the extra strong tape where they're

520
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 2: like taping up a boat, Like look how strong this is?

521
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 2: That that's all this committee is doing, right, They're plugging

522
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: leaky holes every week with new ways, like, oh, well

523
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 2: they Alabama can't run the ball, so obviously we got

524
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 2: to dock them this amount. Like what that's the Like,

525
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 2: it's just the metrics are introduced, the idea of having

526
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: two teams next to each other and not having head

527
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: to head matter as much until they're next to each other,

528
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: You're just like, when were you going to explain that

529
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 2: this is like in the bylaws, right that it's just

530
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: like you have new people deciding what's important. We've shifted

531
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Speaker 2: who's in charge of making these broadcast announcements halfway through

532
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: the season because of changes in committee leadership, and it's

533
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: just it's insane. And our friend Bruce Feldman voiced this,

534
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it was supposed to be a DM,

535
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 2: but it was in response to I think was it

536
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Speaker 2: Kevin Clark Kevin, Yeah, Cleven Kevin Clark tweet or sorry

537
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 2: whatever it's called on X the everything app everything.

538
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Speaker 1: It may. Obviously this makes no sense.

539
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 2: It makes no sense why they do this beyond you know,

540
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 2: commerce every week because they just contradict themselves constantly because

541
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 2: it's an insane sport with no sample size and people

542
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 2: want to expand it to sixteen so we can argue

543
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 2: about like Virginia versus Tulane, versus Houston versus Iowa, or

544
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: get to twenty or twenty four. Like here's what I

545
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: don't understand this week personally, and I'm sure you can explain,

546
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 2: or somebody else can explain. So Alabama bumps up after

547
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: beating a team with a losing record, right, and Notre

548
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: Dame bumps down after beating a team with a losing record, Right,

549
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: we're gonna punish Notre Dame. So it seems like it's

550
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: a BYU buffer for Alabama being moved up there. So

551
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: BYU wins, Alabama is buffered in with Notre Dame bumping out, right,

552
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: That's what it seems to me.

553
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: You can't risk losing that fifth SEC team in the tour, right,

554
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: you can't risk it.

555
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: Right, Vandy essentially winds up throttling what the committee after

556
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: eleven weeks looked at as a top twenty team in Tennessee.

557
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: How many spots did Vandy move up?

558
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: You know, right? They moved up none the other so

559
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: they moved.

560
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: Up zero spots after on the road. Beating up on

561
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 2: a really good team per the committee I Tennessee to

562
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: me is pretty flawed. But they put him in the

563
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Speaker 2: top twenty. So after eleven games they must be some

564
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: sort of meaningfully top twenty team. Vandy beats them by

565
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 2: whatever it is, three touchdowns unchanged. Texas beats a really

566
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: good team obviously in the top five in Texas A

567
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 2: and M. They move up three Okay, so that has

568
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: to be meaningful, right, that they beat up on this

569
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: team at home, they move up three. They have three losses.

570
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Speaker 2: They're ahead of a Vanderbilt team they beat by three

571
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Speaker 2: at home, who has two losses. If you want to

572
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: p Miami ahead of Notre Dame, you're not going to

573
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: get a strong argument from me. But like, Miami just

574
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: beat a team that Notre Dame just throttled. They both

575
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Speaker 2: do this thing, and Miami doesn't move.

576
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Speaker 1: Up at all. Right, well that's the thing.

577
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so you're just like, what rhyme or reason

578
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: behind any of this can we point to? And so

579
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: it's all crazy, it's all insane. They obviously can't look

580
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: into the future and see that there's a possibility that

581
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Speaker 2: a seven and five or I guess eight and five

582
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: at that moment would win the ACC and then lead

583
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 2: to James Madison or something jumping into this tournament and

584
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: James Madison's good team, but keeping Miami out because of

585
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: that specific rule that they couldn't see the effects taking place,

586
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 2: because of that's barely english. I just I don't watch

587
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 2: the show. I see the rankings, and I just sort

588
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 2: of shrug and we talk about it because this is

589
00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 2: our sport. But nothing makes sense or of this makes sense.

590
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: And we we keep wanting to empower these people and

591
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: go to more teams, and we empower them to make

592
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: decisions about where they play, what the schedule is. When

593
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: they just keep stacking bad decisions atop one another. It's

594
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: just incredible that we have a committee of people and

595
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: then we get people on has anybody outside of ESPN

596
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: advocated for Texas in any sort of meaningful way? Maybe

597
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: they have, I just haven't seen it or heard it.

598
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: Have they?

599
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: Have you seen that from anybody? I mean not really. No.

600
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Speaker 1: The talking point of like sile like Steve Sarkisian No.

601
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: No, I mean it was apparently Dan Orlovsky and kirkurb Street.

602
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: We're like, how do you keep Texas out? How do

603
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: you keep Texas out? It's like Texas schedule Ohio State

604
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: because they viewed it as a risky maneuver worth taking

605
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: that we recruit, we stack top five classes. We are

606
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 2: built similarly, let's challenge the best in order to be

607
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: the best, and then when they lose, they're like, well,

608
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: we didn't have.

609
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: To do that. We'll just schedule with Louisiana Tech or whatever.

610
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: It's such weird, cowardly backpedaling, Like if you don't want

611
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 2: a big non conference win. If you don't want the

612
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: money that comes with it, don't schedule it. Sometimes you

613
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 2: lose games and you have to deal with the consequences

614
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: and move on. Texas does not believe in that. There's

615
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: like a certain like crazy amount of entitlement from Texas

616
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 2: and people that can't help but defawn over this year's

617
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: Texas team. This year is the one you're putting everything. Guys,

618
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: what are we doing? What are we doing?

619
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: This year?

620
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: Is Texas team with a team that had to play

621
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: overtime against Kentucky. Mississippi State scored a touchdown against Kentucky

622
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: one touchdown.

623
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Speaker 1: Right one one one single touchdown.

624
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: This is not a data point. This is not a

625
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: Texas team that's looked like a playoff team for the

626
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: majority of the season. But they beat the team that's

627
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: in the top five, that hasn't played anybody in texts

628
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: saying I'm a good win and we're like, how do

629
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: you get into the Poseason without tex It's insane?

630
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: Win more games, It's all it takes. We got to

631
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: find that Taylor twelve month sound. What do we even

632
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: do it? We have to what do we even do

633
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: We need that don't understand.

634
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: I just I don't understand the Texas fawning like you

635
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: had three years to turn your quarterback into a consistently

636
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 2: strong quarterback surrounded by blue chip dudes, and he wasn't

637
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: until the last game of the season, and we're like

638
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: all is forgiven.

639
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: I just I feel like I'm taking crazy bills here. Well,

640
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with you, and I mean, I'm

641
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: not going to belabor this point because I feel like

642
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: the Internet's already done that for me. But yeah, you know,

643
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm a Notre Dame fan through and through,

644
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: and obviously i'd like to see them in this playoff.

645
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: I think they're one of the best twelve teams in

646
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: the country. I think they're one of the best, like

647
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: eight teams in the country. I think they're really really good.

648
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: I understand where they're ranked, and even me, as I'm

649
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: looking at this after the new rankings come out, I'm

650
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, this is going to be a situation

651
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Speaker 1: where BYU loses, they're going to have Notre Dame in

652
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Speaker 1: Miami back to back, and it's going to be really

653
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: freaking hard to justify keeping Notre Dame ahead of Miami

654
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Speaker 1: if it comes to that.

655
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Speaker 2: But obviously nothing will have changed this week as both

656
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 2: nothing will have changed.

657
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Speaker 1: The only thing that might change is a little bit

658
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Speaker 1: of public pressure and maybe some numbers on the back

659
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: end with regardless strength of schedule and resume and some

660
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: of the nerd stats, right, But like, I don't know

661
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Speaker 1: how you do that, Okay, And this is speaking as

662
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Speaker 1: somebody who likes Notre Dame and wants to see no

663
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: play in this Personally, I think Notre Dame in Miami

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Speaker 1: both deserve to be in this field. You know, I

665
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: have spoken out against Oklahoma, who has an incredible resume

666
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: and you know, has done everything within their power as

667
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: of late to try and get into this field. I

668
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: think both these teams, Notre Dame mim Miami would be

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Speaker 1: sure Oklahoma. So kind of in my like goofy wish casting,

670
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, we need Georgia to knock down

671
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: Alabama and needed to beat by like three touchdowns. We

672
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: need BYU to lose. Hopefully the committee comes to its

673
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: census and it's like, hey, we can't put a three

674
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: loss team in there that just got drilled by a

675
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Speaker 1: top five team. We're gonna bump Alabama out. We're gonna

676
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: bump YU out. Then both Notre Dame and Miami get in,

677
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Speaker 1: and then because they're on opposite sides of the bracket,

678
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Speaker 1: they run the table. They meet each other from national championship.

679
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously Notre Dame in Miami did not have the

680
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: opportunity as two loss teams in the way that Alabama

681
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: did in separate position, and I had to play for conference.

682
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Speaker 1: Champions is speaking with the fan brain?

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Speaker 2: Okay, No, I I totally hear you. I don't know

684
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Speaker 2: what it would What happens.

685
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Speaker 1: Though, What happens if Alabama loses by like twenty points

686
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: to Georgia. Do they get bumped out?

687
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: If Alabama gets if they lose in the way that

688
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: by the way Texas lost to Georgia.

689
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: If they lose to Georgia, Yeah, if they get hammered

690
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: by Georgia, right, which is apparently well the committee to

691
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: knock them.

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00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: Out, it's not disqualifying. ESPN will still advocate for Alabama

693
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 2: because lots of teams who should clearly be in the

694
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: playoff lose by twenty five to Georgia recently.

695
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: What should you do?

696
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 2: I don't think you punish them dramatically unless it is

697
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 2: a fully uncompetitive loss. I think the manner matters here.

698
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: So what is eighteen versus twenty six?

699
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: I don't know.

700
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna have to watch the game and

701
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Speaker 2: see what kind of control Georgia has in Alabama doesn't

702
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: over the course of those four quarters. I'm not fully

703
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 2: against keeping Alabama out if they're not at all in

704
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 2: control of this game, and I'm okay with keeping them

705
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Speaker 2: in if it's a tight loss that they are playing

706
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Speaker 2: in a game that others are not playing in. So

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm just sort of waiting, see and sitting

708
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Speaker 2: on the fence here.

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Speaker 1: Listen. The only thing that I will say to wrap

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Speaker 1: up this discussion and people kill weigh in Siliver, wellg

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Speaker 1: want to com let us know their thoughts. We've had

712
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: some people email in their thoughts. We appreciate it, of course,

713
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: many of whom don't agree with us. That's fine, that's okay.

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Speaker 1: All I will say is something that I have maintained

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Speaker 1: since the first day we did this podcast, back in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, the year of Our Lord, two

717
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, great year. A team is not its schedule.

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00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: You are not your schedule. Okay, this is my boise

719
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 1: state argument from way back when. Right, it's how you perform,

720
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Speaker 1: it's how you perform against that schedule. That is generally

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Speaker 1: how I like to great teams. Now, I've been pretty

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00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: open about the fact that I'm looking at rankings, not

723
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: so much from the analytical side this year, but just

724
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Speaker 1: from when I'm ranking teams who I think could beat whom. Sure,

725
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: that's how I have been is that's kind of the

726
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: thought exercise I've been going through the tie test. That's

727
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: the tie test. Yeah, it is, it is. And I

728
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: know that's not scientific and people are going to poke

729
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: holes in that, and I don't really give a damn.

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00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: That's shit.

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Speaker 2: How no, less, it's no less credible than anything that's

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Speaker 2: happening on official levels.

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Speaker 1: Well that's true. That's true. So I would welcome our

734
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Speaker 1: ver bawlers out there, either in our discord at verballers

735
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: dot com, out on the interwebs, any of our social

736
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: media channels, saliverbo at gmail dot com, whatever works for you. Yeah,

737
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: if you have thoughts on this, we would love to

738
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: hear the comments. Leave them in YouTube comments, Spotify comments,

739
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Whatever works best for you. It is

740
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: free to reach out to us. We do read everything.

741
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: Don't be a dick, but reach out. I would love

742
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: to hear from as many people as we can. It

743
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: would be good to get I don't know, as much

744
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: opinion in the door as we can before we go

745
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: into this weekend and before we go through the whole

746
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: rigamarole of picking the twelve teams next week?

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Speaker 2: Will you agree here and now to do a town

748
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Speaker 2: hall at Yakos in Allentown, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: Town hall? On what a town hall? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You want?

751
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: You want that feedback? Ty, you want to speak directly

752
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 2: to listeners. I mean, Yakos.

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Speaker 1: What street is Yaco's on in Allentown Hamilton Boulevard in Allentown.

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Speaker 2: Hamilton Boulevard, Allentown, PA. Don't say TI didn't offer you

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Speaker 2: the opportunity.

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Speaker 1: He'll be there. That's the original. I believe that's I

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00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: think that's the original Yakos. Okay, I could be wrong

758
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: about that. They're a bunch around town, but yeah, yeah, sure,

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00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: we'll talk to We'll talk to the Yaco's management and

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Speaker 1: see if we could arrange a town hall situation. I

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00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: got to buy a hot dog or at least a

762
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: coke or something if you come in.

763
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Speaker 2: But depending on how much you eat, it could turn

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Speaker 2: into a brown haul very quickly, so be prepared.

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Speaker 1: At you yeah, thank you very much. Why don't we

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Speaker 1: get to our conference championship games. Let's do that time

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00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: the week Conference championship week. Baby, we don't got a

768
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Speaker 1: nickname for this week. We don't need a nickname for

769
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: this week's true conference championship week. It's already got a nickname,

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Speaker 1: all right. So here's the deal. As I said, we've

771
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Speaker 1: got games on Friday, We've got games on Saturday. I

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00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: am going to start with the Power for Action at

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Speaker 1: high noon on ABC. They play it at at and

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Speaker 1: T Stadium in Arlington, Texas. It's the Big twelve Championship

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Speaker 1: and it is the first rematch we're going to discuss

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Speaker 1: here today. The aforementioned b YU Cougar is eleven and

777
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: one squaring off against Texas Tech, also eleven to one.

778
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Speaker 1: Texas Tech favored by about twelve and one half points.

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00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: As I said, this is rematch. Texas Tech won the

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Speaker 1: first meeting by a twenty nine to seven score. My question,

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Speaker 1: just to kick things off here, a bunch of distraction

782
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: this week with Klonie's talckey. Yes, there is has been,

783
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Speaker 1: all right, bunch of distractions went Thermo Nuclear on Monday night.

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Speaker 1: Everybody found out about it. Then, uh huh? How much

785
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Speaker 1: does it? How much does it not fire you up?

786
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Speaker 1: If you are in that locker room to hear that

787
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Speaker 1: the koshit you know and love decided to forego and

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Speaker 1: eleven and a half million dollar offers something in that

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Speaker 1: neighborhood from is that what it was? Something from a

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Speaker 1: school across the good old us of A. And he

791
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: wants to stay right there with you in provo. You

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Speaker 1: know it's going to be in Arlington to square off

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Speaker 1: against a team that beach earlier in the year. Does

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00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: that fire you up? Are you still distract? How do

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Speaker 1: you feel about that? That's not going to appear.

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Speaker 2: That quote is not going to appear in like the

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Speaker 2: Central PA Board of Tourism. Somebody just turned out eleven

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Speaker 2: million dollars to move here. I don't know how it

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Speaker 2: makes me feel.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 2: I think the players prepare. I think the players are

802
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 2: obviously amped to sort of get revenge on Texas Tech

803
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Speaker 2: and win the Big twelve. It's a huge deal for BYU,

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00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 2: It's a huge deal for Texas Tech. These are two

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Speaker 2: teams looking to win this conference the way that it's

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Speaker 2: constituted for the first time, and I think this game

807
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Speaker 2: is a huge deal.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: It's a cherry on top of an unbelievable season for

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Speaker 2: really both of these teams, but specifically Texas Tech with

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Speaker 2: where they've been recently and being pretty good but not

812
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 2: quite breaking through, and it would be huge for BYU.

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Speaker 2: I think BYU has a very specific advantage in that

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00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 2: Texas Tech has prepared for BYU, and BYU has seen

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Speaker 2: how Texas Tech can specifically scheme and succeed against you.

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00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 2: Obviously vice versa, right that Texas Tech saw how BYU

817
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: prepared and they were able to succeed in a way

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Speaker 2: by You clearly wasn't. But that's why it said, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's tough to beat a good team twice, and so

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Speaker 2: it seems like a big line and it's reasonable given

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Speaker 2: the was it twenty nine to seven the first time around? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think there is something to BYU having the ability

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Speaker 2: to self scout. I think there is something to the

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Speaker 2: fact that bear Bachmeier is as young as he is.

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Speaker 2: What is he weigh one hundred and sixty pound one

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty five, he's he's It depends on the week, really, right.

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Speaker 1: We've had him as high as two seventy as low

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Speaker 1: as one fifty, so somewhere in between, I would say,

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Speaker 1: we just had Thanksgiving, So let's assume two fifty three

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Speaker 1: fifty two.

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Speaker 2: Okay. There is something to his growth being more dramatic

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Speaker 2: because of his age than bar Morton's sparing. Morton is

833
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: sort of who he is, which is good, and I

834
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:04,959
Speaker 2: think there's you know, there's always just gonna be growth,

835
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Speaker 2: especially when you have that kind of loss. You're like, oh,

836
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Speaker 2: this is what they were doing, this is how okay,

837
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Speaker 2: I see now. So I just am not fully coming

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Speaker 2: around to the fact that BYU can address being completely

839
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: hounded up front by this Texas Tech front. You just

840
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 2: can't get better in a season. You can get healthier,

841
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 2: you can keep more guys in to protect, but like

842
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: that wave of violence that Texas Tech has upfront on defense,

843
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: I just don't know how you account for that in

844
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 2: a few weeks. So I'm taking Texas Tech here. What

845
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: they've done to control games from the onset more often

846
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: is more impressive to me. They've gotten healthier, everybody gets healthier.

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Speaker 2: I'm just I'm in on Texas Tech here to do

848
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 2: more of what they've been doing. There's no reason for

849
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Speaker 2: me to think that they're going to fall off, and

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00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 2: that BYU has thirty more points of control.

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00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: Over these past few weeks.

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Speaker 2: So okay, I'm going to say Texas Tech wins this one.

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Speaker 2: I have it at like thirty one seventeen, so I

854
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 2: guess barely covering. But I just haven't found where the

855
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 2: consistent explosion is coming from on offense from BYU to

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00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 2: justify them being that much better against a team like this.

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Speaker 1: I sunk my teeth into that first game. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to go back and watch it, and you know, it

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00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: wasn't particularly close on the scoreboard. Texas Tech led twenty

860
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: six to nothing until the final three minutes, right. I

861
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: do think, though, if you pop the hood on that

862
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: first game, it was actually a lot closer than the

863
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: score indicates. And I realized that may sound baddy to

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Speaker 1: people out there who look at the score and like,

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Speaker 1: what are you talking about. I say that because this

866
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: was very much a defensive battle the first time around.

867
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: There were a total of thirty two third down attempts

868
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: in this game. Both defenses were forcing a lot of

869
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 1: those high leverage moments, havoc plays things of that nature.

870
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: BYU forced five Texas Tech field goal attempts. It's not

871
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: like they were overpowered turned the Texas Tech offense at all.

872
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: The difference was that Texas Tech on defense was just

873
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: a little bit better. They held BYU to three or

874
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: fourteen on third downs. They forced three turnovers, which was

875
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: not the norm for BYU by any stretch. But BYU

876
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: fell in a hole and they weren't able to get

877
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: it going on the ground with LJ. Martin or bear Bachmeyer,

878
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: which meant bear Bachmeyer had to throw at thirty eight times,

879
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: which by the way, was the most pasc attempts he's

880
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,959
Speaker 1: had in any game this season. So we could debate

881
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: the merits of what the game plan was going in

882
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: versus coming out, but I feel fairly confident in saying

883
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: that they had to deviate a little bit from what

884
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 1: they originally planned. Right. Tech was the better team in

885
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: that game, even if you take out all the turnovers,

886
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: Tech was the better team, and I think the better

887
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: team won that game. But my sense is going into

888
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: this one that we're going to see a very similar

889
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: game this time around and provided BYU doesn't have some

890
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: of those mistakes. To your point about self scouting, I

891
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: think it's closer. I think it's closer, and I don't

892
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: think that's a stretch, because again, this is not a

893
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: team that's been that mistake prone this season. I think

894
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: they're like plus twelve. They've had turnover lock, but they're

895
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: like plus twelve or something in turnover Margine, I think

896
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: the first game was a bit of an aberration. How

897
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: much that remains to be seen, and we could talk

898
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: about that when we do the recap. I think I'm

899
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: with you. I think Tech wins this one as well.

900
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: I think they are good enough to stop the run,

901
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: they're good enough to force the pass, and that's a

902
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: matchup to me where they have a significant advantage. Per

903
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: our friend Max olson over at ESPN, Tech as the

904
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: best stop rate of any defense in the country, which

905
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: means they're basically just not allowing teams to score. So

906
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: I'm of the mind that we're again going to see

907
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: something of defensive slugfest in this one. I don't have

908
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: it quite as high scoring as you do. I've got

909
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: twenty three to sixteen Texas Tech winning. Moving on, as

910
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: Big twelve champion. But if we're going to think of

911
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: it in terms of the point spread, I would have

912
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: byu to cover, okay, and by the way, to your

913
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: point of forcing all of those field goals. If there

914
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: is a.

915
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: Vulnerability, if the what is it in the Death Star?

916
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 2: Not that Texas Tech has reached that status yet, there's

917
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: someone with parsex ty.

918
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: This isn't my universe. What are we talking about here, Yeah,

919
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: it's the floor. The Test Star is what you're talking Yeah, yeah,

920
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: the flo.

921
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 2: But so Texas Tech in the red zone specifically has

922
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 2: been not great offensively right in terms of finishing drives,

923
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 2: especially against the better teams on their schedule. It hasn't

924
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 2: prevented wins by and large, but right now, the red

925
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: zone touchdown rate is fifty eight percent, their goal to

926
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 2: go touchdown rate is seventy five percent. It's below average

927
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 2: and so doesn't matter if you score an explosion and

928
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 2: Texas dec does plenty of that, But that is I think,

929
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 2: you know, a tip of the cap to you for

930
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 2: noticing that from that first matchup. That closing those drives,

931
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 2: finishing those drives I think is a big deal in

932
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 2: this game, and quite excited to see it. I just

933
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: I worry that it's going to be trying to build

934
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: the plane entirely out of bear Bachmeyer if the run

935
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: isn't there once again, So.

936
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: Let's move to four pm on Saturday on ABC. The

937
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: SEC Championship. They played this one Mercedes Benz Stadium in

938
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: at Atlanta. We've got Georgia eleven and one, We've got

939
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: Alabama ten and two. Georgia is favored by two two

940
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: and a half three points depends where you look. Remember

941
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: these teams played earlier in the year, same week as

942
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 1: Penn State and Oregon, the same week as Indiana Iowa.

943
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: There were a bunch of big games. That was a

944
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: huge week Week six. I want to say, yep, twenty

945
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: four to twenty one was your final. Alabama won that one.

946
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: Alabama has won the last three meetings between these two teams.

947
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: All three have been won score affairs. So for whatever

948
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: it's worth, it would at least seem like we're in

949
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: for another barnburner here. Yes, how do you feel?

950
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 2: I think I like Georgia. Kirby never beats Bama, but

951
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 2: a lot of that is Nick Saban. They Bama didn't

952
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 2: do anything in the second half this year. And you

953
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: know held on for the win. Also, Bama since the

954
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 2: Tennessee game hasn't been a team I would say is

955
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 2: in constant control.

956
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's and you know, I know Bill Connelly has

957
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: written about this a little bit. Yeah, and you and

958
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: I spoke to it on occasion when we have covered

959
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: Alabama games here over the last couple of weeks. But

960
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: there's been something of a diminishing return on that passing offense.

961
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: It's still very good. Ty Simpson has been amazing and

962
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: that's still the primary way that they are moving the football,

963
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: that they are scoring points and all that I mean

964
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: passing game for them is where it's at. But it

965
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: hasn't been nearly as efficient back half of the season

966
00:49:59,040 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: as it was earlier.

967
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, did Ryan Williams have a catch in

968
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: the Iron Bowl.

969
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: I don't think he did. Did he.

970
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: You can fact check me on that. I don't know

971
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:11,919
Speaker 2: how much he was even targeted in that game.

972
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: I just I don't know.

973
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 2: There's something that feels and I like Ty Simpson. I

974
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 2: like a lot of these receiving options. Obviously there's a

975
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 2: ton on this defense to like. It was a good

976
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 2: game plan from the Auburn defense.

977
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: For sure.

978
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 2: The game got chaotic, as a lot of Iron bowls do.

979
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 2: I just haven't gotten the sinse in the back half

980
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 2: of the schedule again since that Tennessee game that Alabama's

981
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: played with a ton of control. The LSU game was chaotic. Obviously,

982
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 2: the South Carolina game needed a lot at the end

983
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 2: of the game to happen and transpire for Alabama to

984
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: win that game. Yeah, I just I think Alabama's really good.

985
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 2: I think there's a certain degree of trust I have

986
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 2: even with Kirby Smart never beating basically never beat. He

987
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 2: beat him in a national championship, so that counts, but

988
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 2: his record against Alabama is not great. I think in Atlanta,

989
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 2: I think that was definitely a low point for Gunner Stockton.

990
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 2: I think there's a great bounce back opportunity for him

991
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 2: after last week. I think there was obviously baggage going

992
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 2: into that game with how that game went last year.

993
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 2: It's kind of a letdown spot for both of these

994
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: teams after last week. I'm going Georgia because I just

995
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 2: trust more about them in this moment, but.

996
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: I'm not confident in it. I don't believe any targets.

997
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: Certainly no catches for Ryan Williams a week ago. Okay,

998
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: so I think you're right about that. Let me give

999
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 1: a shout out to our friends over at Game on Paper. Please.

1000
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: Game on Paper. They do an awesome job showing you

1001
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: pretty much every stat in real time if you're watching

1002
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: a game. If you want to go back after the

1003
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 1: fact and find a game, you can go and find

1004
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: all this stuff there. One of my favorite things that

1005
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: they do on their site is if you load it up,

1006
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: if you scroll all the way down on the I

1007
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: guess the first tab. They have a section for what

1008
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 1: they call most important plays, and it's really just the

1009
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: measure of which plays throughout the course of the game

1010
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: swung the win probability the most most important plays. Of

1011
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: the ten plays that they highlighted the first game between

1012
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: these two teams, eight of them were on the Georgia side. Now,

1013
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: Georgia created more explosives in the game as well. Their

1014
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: problem was basically they couldn't get Ty Simpson off the field.

1015
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: He had a very clean game through the air. Bama

1016
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: on the whole was something like thirteen of nineteen on

1017
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 1: third downs. They had almost ten more minutes of possession. Sure,

1018
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: I don't think Alabama's going to win either. I think

1019
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that front. I don't think they're

1020
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: going to get four straight on Kirby smart. I feel

1021
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: like Georgia has gotten better as the season has progressed.

1022
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: I don't feel the same about Alabama. And I think

1023
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: Kirby's going to learn a lot from how Oklahoma attacked

1024
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: Alabama from how Auburn last week attacked Alabama. I am

1025
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: leaving a bit to assumption here, and we've already outlined

1026
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: the dangers and leaving things to assumption, So forgive me

1027
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: a little bit indulgent. We could, but I just I

1028
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: expect that Georgia is going to have a better plan

1029
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: this time around for getting off the field, and I

1030
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: hope that maybe that Texas game that we saw a

1031
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: few weeks ago, that we referenced earlier in the episode,

1032
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: for me, that was something of a proof of concept.

1033
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: Not nearly as good an offense. I get that, but

1034
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: it was very telegraphed that Texas could only win through

1035
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: the air, and Georgia knew it, and they held them

1036
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: the two of twelve and third downs. They were much

1037
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: better about getting off the field. They won that game

1038
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,959
Speaker 1: going away, So I am expecting something of a step

1039
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: up here from Georgia, both on defense as well as

1040
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: on offense, and I think the game plan needs to

1041
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: lean a little bit more into what Gunner Stockton gives them.

1042
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 1: Gunnerstockedon might be the best big game player in this matchup.

1043
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: He just finds ways to get things done. I think

1044
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: the comparisons from time to time the stets in Bennett

1045
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: are very apt. The guy just he's a magician. I

1046
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: think again, they're going to be able to run it

1047
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 1: like they did the first time around. I think they

1048
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: need to put Gunner in more situations where he can create.

1049
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: I think they'll find ways to do that, and I

1050
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: think Georgia ends up winning this one. I think it's

1051
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: like thirty one to twenty one. I got the dogs

1052
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: coming out here as a SEC champs again.

1053
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 2: Tin Foil Dan much better for the SEC of Alabama wins, right, Oh,

1054
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 2: it definitely is Tinfoil Dan really loves Bama here. I

1055
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 2: don't know if I am speaking as Tinfoil Dan in

1056
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 2: this moment, but I don't know if weird calls are

1057
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 2: going in George's favor in this one.

1058
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: Oh man, you're really kicking a hornet's nest. There. I

1059
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 1: like it. I'm all in favor of this.

1060
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 2: I've just watched the SEC these past fifteen years, seventeen years,

1061
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 2: twenty years, thirty years, forty however, many years of my life.

1062
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: I mean late thirty, th ely forty.

1063
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 2: Sure, Claire, I'm saying Tinfoil. Dan is on the record

1064
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 2: now saying it's much better for the SEC, It's much

1065
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 2: better for the sa CC's broadcast partners if Alabama wins

1066
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 2: this game. And also George is like, I don't do

1067
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: they how much do they care if they lose this game?

1068
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 2: With regard to the playoff. Georgia always wants to win

1069
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 2: the SEC, of course, but with regard to the playoff,

1070
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 2: getting that five to six, getting a home game, it's

1071
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:16,919
Speaker 2: not the worst.

1072
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: I mean right now, if they win, they're probably in

1073
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: line for a first round by no I know.

1074
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,720
Speaker 2: But I'm saying, if you are the type that believes

1075
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 2: getting that oh yeah, what is that opening weekend and

1076
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 2: not and avoiding the buy, getting the five to twelve,

1077
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 2: getting potentially Texas Tack who knows. And I don't know

1078
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 2: if you want Texas Tech, but I'm saying, of your options.

1079
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a chance if you lose, you could

1080
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: end up not hosting a game. There's a chance. I

1081
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: don't think it's a good chance.

1082
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 2: But if you think eleven and two, Georgia is falling

1083
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 2: to the point where they're not in.

1084
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: My fallow Oklahoma right now, Oklahoma is eight. It depends.

1085
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: It depends how the committee feels about, you know, how

1086
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,439
Speaker 1: badly somebody like Georgia were to lose.

1087
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 2: I mean, you could Georgia, just Georgia, just forersmall. They

1088
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 2: beat a playoff team at Ole Miss.

1089
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is likely, Dan, I'm just saying

1090
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: there's I'm just it's polling you.

1091
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 2: They stomped a Texas team that beat Oklahoma twenty three

1092
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 2: to six.

1093
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: I know, I listen, I know it's a difficults. You

1094
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: want to be tinfoil Dan, I'll be tinfoil tie. It's possible, Okay, Okay,

1095
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: go to eight pm. You got two games going on

1096
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: side by side of hate when they do this, but whatever,

1097
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: eight pm. ABC. Duke at seven and five squaring off

1098
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: against Virginia at ten and two. They are three. I

1099
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: got this right, A three and a half point favorite

1100
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 1: against Duke Blue Devils. I think that's right. The AC

1101
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 1: championship game. They played in Charlotte at Bank of America Stadium.

1102
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: This is another rematch. Virginia won the first matchup thirty

1103
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: four to seventeen. That game was not close. No, you

1104
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 1: know how I talked about the BYU game is twenty

1105
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: nine to seven. But I found ways looking add it

1106
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: like I wasn't really that out of hand. This one

1107
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: was out of hand. This game was a tire fire

1108
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: for the Duke Blue Devils. Here is my issue with

1109
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: this game. My issue with this game is that the

1110
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,959
Speaker 1: Duke template is simple and telegraphed, and anybody who watched

1111
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: college football this year knows exactly what's coming. The only

1112
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: way that they can beat a team like a Virginia

1113
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: is if they get him into a shootout and they

1114
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: outscore him. And that's it. That is how they have

1115
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: played the best teams on their schedule. Full stop. Yeah,

1116
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: full stop. Now go back and look at the first game.

1117
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: Duke won the turnover battle, they won the penalty battle.

1118
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: They were still outgained by almost three hundred yards. Virginia

1119
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: still went twelve of nineteen on third downs. Duke was

1120
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: just four or fifteen. So they are banking on getting

1121
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: into shootouts, not banking on trying to stop yet all

1122
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: on defense. You know, It's like how I play the

1123
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,040
Speaker 1: video game forget defense. We just got to try and

1124
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: go out there and put up a ton of points

1125
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:02,919
Speaker 1: on the board and hope that we have the ball last.

1126
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: That is a Duke philosophy so far this year.

1127
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 2: They're all they're here on a weird technicality, right that basically, yeah,

1128
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 2: a tie break, Yeah right, But I'm saying that even

1129
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 2: the tie breaks, you know, conference to conference aren't the same.

1130
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 2: So I think if we had this tie break, I

1131
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 2: want to say in the American Miami would be in

1132
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 2: because they default to the college football playoff ranking sooner

1133
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 2: than how Duke got in the specific type break. Anyway,

1134
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter, we're here. The worst thing in this

1135
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 2: game is Duke's defense. Yeah, they are somehow in this

1136
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 2: game based on a somehow win over Clemson. Essentially that

1137
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 2: could have gone either way. That was, you know, hanging

1138
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 2: by a thread. I just think Virginia's better and more complete.

1139
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 2: The thing that would scare me a little bit if

1140
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 2: I'm a Virginia Fanduke seems to have the quarterback advantage,

1141
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 2: which is not nothing, and Darien Mensa had a very

1142
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 2: good year this year. He did Chanmo did as well.

1143
00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: But I don't know.

1144
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 2: In a spot like this, I just think Virginia has

1145
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 2: more ways to win, has the defense to get off

1146
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 2: the field, and uh, I just don't think Duke does

1147
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 2: this year. And so I'm just gonna I'm gonna air

1148
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 2: on the side of that. I'm gonna go who's here.

1149
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, look, both quarterbacks have been a revelation.

1150
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah they have. I mean Chaydler Morris. A lot of

1151
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: the talk on the UVA front has been Chaydler Morris.

1152
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: But I think lost in the shuffle is that UVA

1153
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: actually has a top twenty five defense. Yes, they've had

1154
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: a really solid defense this year. And you know, you

1155
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't look at you wouldn't know it to look at

1156
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: the team and think of what they've been in the past,

1157
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: but to actually go in and dig into the stats

1158
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: and look, yeah, they're a top twenty five caliber defense.

1159
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: I think they were twenty third. They finished twenty third

1160
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: in the sp plus.

1161
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 2: They finished twenty third, they were top fifteen and points

1162
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 2: per drive allowed. And when you play a schedule that

1163
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 2: includes offenses number ninety one one eighteen, ninety eight, one,

1164
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 2: twenty five, eighty seven, eighty three and finish up with

1165
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 2: the one hundred and eighth best offense in Virginia Tech.

1166
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: How could you no? How could how could you not? Look?

1167
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: They've they've been solid, however you grade it again, it's

1168
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: been a great story. But the schedule is yeah, and

1169
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: they have a really good pressure rate. You know, they're

1170
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: good at getting after the quarterback. I think they're second

1171
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: nationally in that capacity as well. So they've they've certainly

1172
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: benefited from the easier schedule. They've definitely sp plus offenses,

1173
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: to be clear. Plus they've definitely benefited from that. And

1174
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,479
Speaker 1: they definitely came out of left field this year getting

1175
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: to the a SEC Championship game. But it's a solid team.

1176
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: I like the Who's Yeah, So I'm of the mind

1177
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: that is a very good team. I'm of the mind

1178
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: that if they get to a playoff they will be competitive,

1179
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: only they're gonna get blown off the field. And this

1180
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: is a good team. I have no faith in the

1181
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: Duke defense though in this one. None. And I think

1182
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: I think Man's is going to get numbers. He's going

1183
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: to put up stats. But uh, and maybe the game

1184
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: will be closer. But I just have way more trust

1185
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: in the balance that I know UVA has and has

1186
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: shown on more than one occasion, on many occasions, this year,

1187
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to call it up to like thirty five

1188
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: twenty four VIRGINI.

1189
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, fair enough. And by the way, to all

1190
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 2: the Virginia haters who sang they can't get to double

1191
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 2: digits against wake Forest.

1192
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: I hear you.

1193
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 2: They were right there. They were as close as you

1194
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 2: can get to double digits against wake Forest. So I

1195
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 2: won't hear any of it anymore. Continue, Let's go to

1196
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 2: the Big Ten Championship.

1197
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: This one's being played at the exact same time, Dan,

1198
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: eight pm on Fox. It's gonna be Gus and Klatt.

1199
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: It's gonna be twelve and oh number one Ohio State,

1200
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 1: a four and a half point favorite, squaring off against

1201
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: twelve and oh number two the Indiana Whoho Hoo's yours, Dan.

1202
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: Usually when you've got a one versus a two, we

1203
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: start seeing promos midweek for a game of the century. Correct.

1204
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 1: I haven't seen those yet, have you?

1205
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 2: Well, if you watch the Big Ten network, you probably would.

1206
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the biggest thing in the history

1207
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: of the Big Ten network, a one versus a two

1208
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: in the well, no, we've had that game.

1209
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 2: Well, we've had one versus two like Michigan Ohio State games.

1210
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 2: We had a top five to one last year right

1211
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 2: in Oregon, Penn State.

1212
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: We did. But this is like, you know, this is

1213
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: the crown jewel of the season to be in the

1214
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: conference title game.

1215
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it hasn't been that much of a jewel of

1216
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 2: a Big Ten season in terms of the big matchups

1217
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 2: we didn't really get.

1218
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: I mean, gus is going to have an outer body

1219
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: experience with a one versus a two.

1220
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 2: Sure, Okay, So this is what it comes down to

1221
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 2: to me. Ohio State's playing in a big letdown spot.

1222
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 2: Ohio State is playing in a big spot where they

1223
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 2: don't necessarily view this as a huge moment of the

1224
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 2: season even though they haven't won this game and haven't

1225
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 2: won the conference in a minute, Ohio State is playing

1226
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 2: very deliberately this year. They're playing slowly, and by deliberate,

1227
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 2: I mean they're deliberately trying to pace themselves to peak

1228
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 2: in January. It is early December at the moment. I'm

1229
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:55,439
Speaker 2: not saying they're not going to try to win this game.

1230
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that they're going to skip this game.

1231
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 2: They're going to try very hard in this game. But

1232
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 2: this game is not the point of Ohio State's journey,

1233
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 2: Whereas I think there is more meaning behind this one

1234
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 2: for Indiana just because of the degree of their journey

1235
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 2: is more pronounced and more dramatic. Ohio State has not

1236
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 2: played a team like Indiana, whereas Indiana has played against

1237
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 2: Oregon this season. Right, right, So there's a certain amount

1238
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 2: of self scouting that Indiana has had an advantage of.

1239
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 2: And now Ohio State played Texas. I'm speaking more like

1240
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 2: recency or in the Big Ten portion of their schedule,

1241
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 2: And as mentioned earlier, Texas is built similarly to Ohio State.

1242
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 2: I keep going back and forth in this one. I

1243
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,959
Speaker 2: kind of love that Indiana is an aggressive zone team.

1244
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I had that jotted down too, in that.

1245
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 2: You're not gonna want to man up these receivers.

1246
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 1: No.

1247
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 2: No, I mean that teams who play a good zone

1248
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 2: like Texas last season, like Michigan over the past few

1249
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 2: years have been able to corral and limit.

1250
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: I mean I jotted down here that they're seventh in

1251
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: the nation in pressure rate. They're getting most of their

1252
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: pressure without blitzing. They're one of the least blitz heavy

1253
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: teams in all of college football. And they do play

1254
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: the highest percentage of zone defense in the country yep,

1255
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: which is exactly as you describe. You're not gonna be

1256
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: able to man these guys up. We can't, So a

1257
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: good zone defense is probably the recipe to go at

1258
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: Ohio State.

1259
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that they're a year wiser from where

1260
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 2: they were last season when they just could not protect

1261
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 2: It was Curtis Roark when they couldn't protect him. He

1262
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 2: was obviously playing injured, and it was just something they

1263
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 2: could not account for in playing Ohio State last season.

1264
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 2: It's a new Ohio State defense. It's a brutally, brutally

1265
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 2: strong Ohio State defense this year as well. I went

1266
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 2: back and forth in this one. Betting against Ohio State

1267
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 2: has not been a great strategy. Indiana's played two close

1268
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 2: games against a not so good Penn State team, a

1269
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 2: decent Iowa team, and it was a close game against

1270
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 2: Oregon as well, who has been very good. So they've

1271
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 2: been battle tested and won those close games against quality opponents.

1272
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 2: They just Ohio State's a different beast, and so I'm

1273
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 2: almost I'm just gonna be the engineer on the underthink

1274
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 2: express here. I think Ohio State is likelier to win

1275
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 2: because they've just there's an inevitability to Ohio State that

1276
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 2: I haven't felt exactly with Indiana. And I think Indiana

1277
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 2: has been crazy impressive this year. But it's something about

1278
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 2: the depth, it's something about the defense, it's something about

1279
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 2: the not playing close games since that Texas game, and

1280
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 2: their schedule hasn't been great, and that's a large reason

1281
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 2: for it that I just think Ohio State wins this

1282
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 2: game by a touchdown. I think it's a close game.

1283
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: I think it could be.

1284
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 2: I think it could be Indiana winning by three going

1285
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 2: into the fourth quarter. Again, it's that inevitability of Ohio

1286
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 2: State that there are just too many players that I

1287
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 2: think you're gonna come away from this game thinking these

1288
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 2: are two teams on equal footing. But again, inevitability twenty

1289
01:05:58,800 --> 01:05:59,919
Speaker 2: seven to twenty Ohio State.

1290
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I was trying to parse this one out,

1291
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: and I'm with you. I was going back and forth too, yep.

1292
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: And something that kept bouncing around of my head is

1293
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: this is year two now for Kurt Signetti, and I

1294
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 1: still feel like people and I'll include myself in this.

1295
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: There is something of a mental block when it comes

1296
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 1: to taking Indianas seriously. And it's not fair to Indiana

1297
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 1: because Indiana has been incredible these last two seasons. But

1298
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 1: it's just the new problem at this point. Well it

1299
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: might be yeah, but I probably speak for some other

1300
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 1: people out there where it's like, wow, I still kind

1301
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 1: of can't believe that they have come this farthest quickly

1302
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 1: under Kurt Signetti. But the numbers are mind blowing. You know,

1303
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: this is not smoking mirrors. It's not even a Cinderella

1304
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 1: story at this point. This team absolutely could beat Ohio State.

1305
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 1: This This team could win the national championship definitely, you know,

1306
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: and I don't really have It's not that hard of

1307
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 1: a cell to make that case. They're really freaking good.

1308
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: So we talked about the matchup. On defense, they get

1309
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: pressure without blitzing. They play a lot of zone. If

1310
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna play against this version of Ohio State with

1311
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: all those weapons out wide, you can't man Jeremiah Smith up.

1312
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to have a good zone defense. That's

1313
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: what Indiana is. So that I think works to their favor.

1314
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 1: To me, I felt like this is a crap shoot.

1315
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: I think this is gonna be a good game. I

1316
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 1: think you can make the case that Indiana is more

1317
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 1: battle tested coming into this one. Where I really had

1318
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 1: trouble though, is I figure this is a Jimmy's and

1319
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 1: Joe's situation, right, you know. And even though Indiana is

1320
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: I think better and more talented than they were a

1321
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: year ago, I still think Ohio State is way better.

1322
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 2: It is a letdown spot. It is a let downpot,

1323
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 2: it is indeed, but Ohio State is just so damn deep.

1324
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 2: Second straight game away from home.

1325
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 1: It's just like the weak spots for Ohio State this year.

1326
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: We're supposed to be what a green quarterback, first time

1327
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: full time starter and Julian saying who may win the

1328
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 1: high Spin? I don't know sure, but Indiana's guy might

1329
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 1: win the hugsmand two Indiana's guy might he might win

1330
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: the Hidsman two. Fernana Mendoz has been great. What else

1331
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: is it supposed to be? The lack of a proven

1332
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 1: ground game, which was very much the case for a

1333
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:19,600
Speaker 1: good chunk of the year, but they have brought that

1334
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: along very slowly. Sure certainly there were no questions out

1335
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 1: why their work. I think some questions on defense, like, Okay,

1336
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: they've lost some guys, but how are they going to

1337
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 1: They've been ridiculous on that side of the ball. I

1338
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: think Ohio State has done everything within its power to

1339
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 1: answer some of those questions we had in the preseason.

1340
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: So from my standpoint, I think these teams are very close.

1341
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 1: I expect Indiana trying to slow this one down to

1342
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 1: keep the Ohio State offense off the field. I'm curious

1343
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: to see what happens if Ohio State takes away the

1344
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 1: Indiana ground game. So they're good enough to do it,

1345
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 1: and I want to know can Fernando Mendoza go out

1346
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 1: there and pull off a magic act the way he

1347
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 1: did against Penn State. Can he win the game for them?

1348
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 1: Because I think Ohio State is going to try to

1349
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:08,679
Speaker 1: make him win the game for Indiana.

1350
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 2: Sure, man, got it at myself into Indiana.

1351
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: I've got at twenty eight to twenty four Ohio State,

1352
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 1: So I guess that means I've got Indiana covering. Yeah.

1353
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: But I think this is gonna be a hell of

1354
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 1: a game. Yeah, I really do. I'm excited about this one.

1355
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 2: Okay, So the reason it's not as much of a

1356
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 2: letdown moment is because Ohio State either way, is going

1357
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 2: to be off for a while after this game. Yeah,

1358
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 2: So it's not like they're looking forward. It's obviously not

1359
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 2: a look ahead. And I think, you know, the clean

1360
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 2: track no weather playing indoors probably favors slightly Ohio State. Yeah,

1361
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 2: I just I think I'm going with once again the inevitability.

1362
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 1: And you know, I hear you on the letdown front,

1363
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 1: and I know it's all very unscientific, but like if

1364
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: that game we're close again as Michigan, it were close

1365
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter and it was a real emotional

1366
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 1: type thing, that would be different. That game was over.

1367
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 1: That game was over for a while. So I'm not

1368
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 1: banking as much on that as I would otherwise. I

1369
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 1: got Ohio State winning twenty eight twenty four. But I

1370
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 1: think it's a good game. And I think we will

1371
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 1: be hearing a lot from Indiana in the playoff because

1372
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 1: they will be in the playoffs, all right, Headliner, you

1373
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 1: and LV Boise You and LV Boise State. They played

1374
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,679
Speaker 1: this one eight pm on Fox on Friday night. Yeah,

1375
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 1: UNLV ten and two Boise State eight and four. These

1376
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 1: two teams got to the Mountain West because they had

1377
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: like a tiebreaker thing that involved Bilconnelly's sp plus at

1378
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 1: Sports Source Analytics and god knows whatever else. Yeah, there

1379
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 1: were four teams that had an opportunity to get in.

1380
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 1: These are the two that made it. This is also

1381
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 1: a rematch. Boise State won the first matchup fifty six

1382
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: to thirty one. Notably, Maddox Madson is coming back for

1383
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 1: this game. He's missed some time with a lower leg injury.

1384
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: He is going to be back out there. Boise State

1385
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: has lost four times this season. They've lost to the

1386
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 1: four best defenses they've played. UNLV is certainly not one

1387
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 1: of those defenses, not at all. And I think that's

1388
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 1: why you picked Boise State the first time around when

1389
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 1: we talked about this game way back. When are you

1390
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 1: still feeling as confident because of that disparity or are

1391
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 1: you going to change your tune now because UNLV's had

1392
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 1: a really good year. Where are you at?

1393
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 2: I mean, they should have lost at Utah State. There

1394
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 2: was a good chance they lose Boise That does last week,

1395
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 2: so Boise a little bit healthier. Boise has not scored

1396
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 2: more points than they did against UNLV a few weeks ago.

1397
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:47,680
Speaker 2: They scored fifty six. They haven't scored more than that,

1398
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 2: no at all this year. They allowed thirty one. I

1399
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 2: just think at home getting healthier and Boise just they

1400
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 2: don't have much beyond this defense. But if they're getting

1401
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 2: Max Matt's at Maddox Madson back, we'll see, you know

1402
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 2: how healthy he is. But I just again, I'm going

1403
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 2: to pick the home team with the defense that wins

1404
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:13,680
Speaker 2: this game. That was in the playoff last season. They

1405
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:15,679
Speaker 2: don't have the pop on offense. I mean, how could

1406
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 2: you win you lose Ashton genty But even still, there's

1407
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 2: enough talent there for them to score here. So I

1408
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 2: have this at I don't know, thirty seven to twenty three.

1409
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to go UNLV again. What the hell I

1410
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 1: went with him the first time. I was way wrong.

1411
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 1: I'll do it again. I like this team, I like

1412
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 1: the coach. You know, I'm big on Anthony Calandria. Yep,

1413
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 1: he's had a pretty good year. Who knows, maybe there'll

1414
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 1: be some RUSS for Maddix Matson. They are a four

1415
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 1: point home favorite, but I'm gonna go UNLV APM just

1416
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 1: on Fox on Friday. We have a couple other games

1417
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:50,679
Speaker 1: on Friday here to get through. The big one, of course,

1418
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,520
Speaker 1: is another one at ABC. This is the American Championship

1419
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: between North Texas at eleven and one and to Lane

1420
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: at ten and two. This will be the first CONFID

1421
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: French Championship game between two teams with the parting coaches

1422
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 1: since the twenty twelve MAC Championship between Northern Illinois and

1423
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 1: Kent State Dan Rumistein. Just in case you're interested in

1424
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:15,680
Speaker 1: knowing that nice okay, North Texas favored by two and

1425
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 1: a half points. It appears as if the winner of

1426
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 1: this game is likely to get into that field of

1427
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: twelve as the G five representative now Duke were to win.

1428
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 1: If Duke were to win, then that I think opens

1429
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 1: up the possibility of somebody like a JMU getting into

1430
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 1: the field. Maybe UNLV if people feel really great about

1431
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 1: UNLV though they're not ranked in the latest batch of

1432
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 1: playoff rankings. Likely it would be James Madison who will

1433
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 1: talk about next. So you know this game is going

1434
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 1: to be watched I think by a lot of people.

1435
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 1: This is like the premier event on Friday night with

1436
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 1: respect to college football in these conference championship games.

1437
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 2: So you got or there's small print that starts with

1438
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 2: at the discretion of and gets Notre Dame in out

1439
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 2: of nowhere sure instead of a conference champion.

1440
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 1: I think I like North Texas here. I think there

1441
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: is a.

1442
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 2: Little bit more winning in their DNA. I really like Tulane.

1443
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 2: I worry about the specific like I don't like Tulane's

1444
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 2: offensive line, no, And I just think the best thing

1445
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 2: in this game is North Texas on offense, even though

1446
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:26,719
Speaker 2: I've just like over and over again, say I trust

1447
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:29,560
Speaker 2: the defense more. And this is what North Texas on

1448
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 2: the road in New Orleans is not a long road trip,

1449
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:34,759
Speaker 2: but it is on the road. I think I trust

1450
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 2: the North Texas offense more than anything in this game.

1451
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 2: And Tulane not really being able to run the ball

1452
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 2: that well, and you know, protecting Jake Rhetz, Like I

1453
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,640
Speaker 2: just I think I'm going mean green here to just

1454
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 2: keep up that electricity, and I have them as dogs

1455
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 2: winning this one.

1456
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 1: I'm in on North Texas too. These teams are very

1457
01:14:55,240 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 1: comparable defenses, but North Texas's offense is significant better. Yeah,

1458
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 1: first in the sp plus right now, so they've been

1459
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: very very good. Eric Morris got hired by Oklahoma State.

1460
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 1: Drew Mastemaker has been incredible. There's such a good passing team,

1461
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 1: and that to me is a matchup that I think

1462
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 1: benefits them. TWU Lane is not great against the pass.

1463
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 1: They have struggled against it all season. I think Drew

1464
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 1: Messmaker is a great game. I think they're going to

1465
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 1: find a way to get out ahead and then insult

1466
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 1: the game away With Caleb Hawkins, they're running back, who,

1467
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 1: by the way, we don't talk about as much, but

1468
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 1: twelve hundred yards twenty three touchdowns on the year. He's

1469
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: had a crazy good year. So like that to me

1470
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 1: is the way this one goes. I've got it at

1471
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 1: like thirty eight twenty seven. I will say the path

1472
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 1: for TWU Lane is probably really ugly and it requires

1473
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 1: Jake Retz left to get going on the ground. Yeah,

1474
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:52,679
Speaker 1: but North Texas has been very sound as a passing defense.

1475
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:55,599
Speaker 1: A running quarterback might be able to pull them apart,

1476
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 1: might be able to open up some holes in that

1477
01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 1: passing defense. I think that's two Lane's best chance if

1478
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 1: they want to control this game and control the tempo here,

1479
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 1: I think North Texas is better. So again, thirty eight

1480
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 1: twenty seven for.

1481
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 2: Me, Tulane, by the way, if you're talking about ball control.

1482
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 2: Tulane is below average at avoiding three and out on offense,

1483
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 2: seventy fifth nationally, and they're decent on third downs. They're

1484
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 2: just not incredible on third downs with the ball. So

1485
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 2: if they need to possess, they need to be a

1486
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 2: little bit better than what they've shown this year. Three

1487
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 2: other games this week, Dan, let's get through them. Set PMSPN.

1488
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 2: This one's for the Sun Belt.

1489
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 1: It is Troy at eight and four. It is JMU

1490
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 1: the James Madison Dukes at eleven and one. They are

1491
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 1: the biggest favorite this weekend, a twenty three and one

1492
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 1: half point favorite over the Troy Trojans. Speaking of the

1493
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:50,680
Speaker 1: Troy Trojans, let me give some credit to my guy,

1494
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:53,679
Speaker 1: Jared Parker, my dude.

1495
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 2: Yep, offensive background, Troy must be amazing on offense, right.

1496
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:01,600
Speaker 1: I want to credit him for getting Troy back to

1497
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 1: this game because it's a proud program. They've had a

1498
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 1: lot of success down there. It was a rough go

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01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 1: for him last season, and I think we called it

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01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 1: out in the preseason that it wasn't like entirely his fault.

1501
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:15,799
Speaker 1: Some of those results from a year ago were skewed.

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01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 1: I think what they've done this year is a very

1503
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,600
Speaker 1: big deal and it proves that maybe he actually is

1504
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 1: good at this thing, So kudos to him. James Madison's better.

1505
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 1: James Madison's going to try to put up one hundred

1506
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:32,560
Speaker 1: if at all possible. If I were willing to do

1507
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 1: a lock again, and I'm not sure I can do

1508
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 1: that this season. I need to wait a year let

1509
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:40,679
Speaker 1: things cool down. But if I were to do a lock,

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01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 1: I would inquire about JMU here because I think they're

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01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 1: just going to go for broke. Same so I don't

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01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 1: really even have a final score jotted down. I just

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01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 1: think jmu is going to run it up as high

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01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 1: as they can. Yeah, I have forty two to seventeen. Also,

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01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 1: at seven pm on Friday, CBA Sports Network Conference to

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01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:02,680
Speaker 1: USA Canesaw State Baby M nine to three, two and

1517
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 1: a half point road favorite on the road at Jacksonville State.

1518
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 1: They played earlier in the year. Jack State won thirty

1519
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 1: five to twenty six. For me, battle in the trenches.

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01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 1: This is a battle in the trenches. If Kennesaw can

1521
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 1: stop them on the ground, I think they're winning this game.

1522
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 1: The first game was high scoring, there were a lot

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01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:23,680
Speaker 1: of stats. They gave up two hundred and fifty two

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01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: yards to Jacksonville State on the ground. So if you

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01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 1: can come in somewhere under that and still have the

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01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 1: amount of offensive output you had the first time around,

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01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 1: I think they're going to win Conference USA in only

1528
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:37,759
Speaker 1: their second year as an FBS program, which is wild,

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01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 1: wild considering the fact that they got rid of the

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01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:42,680
Speaker 1: coach a year ago and it was there's a lot

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01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 1: of you know, chatter about that, and Jerry Mack has

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01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 1: come in and done a really really good job with

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01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 1: this team. So I am in on Kannesaugh here as

1534
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 1: am I.

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01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:56,679
Speaker 2: There's a very specific exploit in that Kennesaw has popped

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01:18:56,760 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 2: deep balls really well and Jacksonville State hasn't been great

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01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 2: defensively and allowing those big plays. I want to say

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01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 2: Kennis opened up as a dog in this one and

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01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 2: yet shifted over to a favorite. So yeah, I'm taking

1540
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:11,719
Speaker 2: owls hell, I'm buying in on the story.

1541
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 1: And finally, let's go ahead in time if we can

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01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 1: back to Saturday Place high noon, Miami, Ohio squaring off

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01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 1: against Western Michigan. Western Michigan favored by two and a

1544
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 1: half points. This one's for the Mac they played earlier

1545
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 1: in the year Miami won by a twenty six to

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01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 1: seventeen margin. This is going to be a rock fight.

1547
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 1: This rock fight written all over it. Too bad offenses,

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01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 1: two good defenses. I'm going to go Western to win

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01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 1: in the rematch here and take home the Mac. Yeah.

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01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:45,679
Speaker 2: The difference though, is d Kwan Finn is no longer

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01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 2: playing for Miami. Correct, and so he did play. He

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01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 2: did have a good game in that first matchup, in

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01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:54,680
Speaker 2: that winning efforts, and so they've figured it out, it

1554
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 2: seems behind the scenes at quarterback. Since then, they've played

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01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 2: a couple different guys. Michigan's had a really nice year.

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01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 2: The game is at Western Michigan. I just I struggle

1557
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 2: to bet against Chuck Martin in the spot hasn't always

1558
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 2: won it.

1559
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know.

1560
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 2: I'm going to Miami of Ohio here on the road,

1561
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 2: I think the defense travels.

1562
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 1: So look head on out toi verballers dot com. Sign

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Speaker 1: up for run the Board. We're giving away a one

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars Amazon gift card to the winner.

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01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 1: You only got to pick a handful of game, only

1566
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 1: five games this week. It's a very abbreviated slate. We

1567
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 1: don't do Friday games. We want to give people a

1568
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 1: chance to listen to this, to collect their thoughts, to

1569
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 1: pick their games. So you only got to pick from

1570
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 1: five games. The winner is going to get that gift card.

1571
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 1: We have a lot on the line though. We have

1572
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:47,680
Speaker 1: a lot on the line because our year long run

1573
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 1: the board contest is coming to a conclusion. Yep, we

1574
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 1: will pick our board members. We will talk about our

1575
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 1: other board members or other winners on next week's episode

1576
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 1: that is upcoming. So I will put a bow on

1577
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:06,680
Speaker 1: all of this. I promise for people who care one

1578
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 1: of our episodes next week. But for now anyway, just

1579
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:11,320
Speaker 1: get in on the action. Support what Dan and I do,

1580
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:14,719
Speaker 1: not just for the game. You get add free episodes,

1581
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 1: bonus content, access to our discord. You can play in

1582
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 1: all of these games. We're gonna have some games coming

1583
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 1: up here in Bowl season before long. So if nothing more,

1584
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 1: you get to support what Dan and I do.

1585
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 2: You know what, maybe we'll create a tinfoil Discord channel. Sure, oh,

1586
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 2: just for people to float like, Hey, guys, I know

1587
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:37,599
Speaker 2: this might sound a little bit looney, but oh, I mean,

1588
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 2: I'm just making sure I'm gonna spend so much time

1589
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 2: in there.

1590
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 1: I love that idea. Correct to be clear, only about

1591
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:46,680
Speaker 1: college football, only about collge FOOTBA Yeah, yea, yeah, yea, yeah,

1592
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 1: we can start the separate UFO Channe. I'll be in

1593
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 1: there too, but okay, glad to hear it. But tinfoil Dan,

1594
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 1: tinfoil tie and college football, since we can spin that up. Yeah,

1595
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 1: love to hear it. I believe those are all the

1596
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:00,720
Speaker 1: games we have to talk about, Dan.

1597
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 2: Are we going live for any of these? We're doing

1598
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 2: an altcast. We haven't discussed it specifically.

1599
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 1: We haven't discussed it specifically. What I would say is

1600
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 1: you and I are gonna probably hop on for a

1601
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 1: live stream at some point later in the day on Sunday. Yeah,

1602
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 1: we're going to take that opportunity. We'll allow the playoff

1603
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 1: rankings and pairings to marinate a little bit, and we'll

1604
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 1: set a time later in the day. I don't know

1605
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 1: what your Sunday afternoon looks like. You and I can talk.

1606
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:31,639
Speaker 2: I cleared the calendar.

1607
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 1: You want to go like five pm on Sunday, We

1608
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 1: can do that five pm Eastern, five pm Eastern on

1609
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 1: Sunday out on the YouTube channel. Yeah, we will talk through.

1610
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 1: We'll do kind of an abbreviated episode just talking through

1611
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 1: playoff stuff. Part one will be Saturday night, where we

1612
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:52,640
Speaker 1: recap all the action in the conference championship games. We

1613
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 1: will obviously have to reference some of the playoff implications.

1614
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 1: But part two, where we talk more about it, we

1615
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,799
Speaker 1: will do that live on Sunday evening, five pm Eastern

1616
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 1: time out on the YouTube channel. If you want to

1617
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:06,680
Speaker 1: tune in live, you're more than welcome to do so.

1618
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 1: We will also drop that one to the Patreon and

1619
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 1: public feed shortly thereafter so that everybody has access.

1620
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 2: So you didn't answer my question, though, What was the

1621
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 2: question again? Do you want to do an alt cast?

1622
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 2: Do you want to do a watch along? I mean sure,

1623
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 2: I'm down. Now. Do you think you have what it

1624
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 2: takes to do an Ohio State Indiana watch along at

1625
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 2: eight pm Eastern, shut it down at the end of

1626
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:32,639
Speaker 2: the game, and then immediately go live once again.

1627
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 1: I could pour the recap. I could do that.

1628
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 2: I think we should. I think we should just we

1629
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 2: should not log off. We should wear diapers.

1630
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 1: And just go for it. Just go for it. Just

1631
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 1: go like we're NASCAR drivers, right, We're just gonnaea. We

1632
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 1: need the helmet with like the little water straw. Yeah,

1633
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 1: some sort of situation for you know, a situation.

1634
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 2: Sure, dator eight bottle baby.

1635
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 1: All right, So now we got a bunch going on

1636
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 1: this weekend. We've got the alt cast eight pm Eastern

1637
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 1: time we were in the big game. Then we've got

1638
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: our midnight live stream where we're gonna recap all the action,

1639
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna go to bed late, gonna wake

1640
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 1: up early. We're gonna watch the results, give ourselves a

1641
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 1: little bit of a chance to like, shower and need

1642
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:18,599
Speaker 1: whatever you do, disagree stream.

1643
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:23,600
Speaker 2: The live stream starts at midnight Eastern and concludes the

1644
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 2: next day at six pm.

1645
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:29,559
Speaker 1: Right, we're going full justin TV with this, and uh

1646
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:33,560
Speaker 1: we will then do yes the playoff reaction special. I

1647
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 1: got pull ups around this house somewhere. Yeah, I have

1648
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 1: like four year old but yeah, Dan, if I could,

1649
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 1: I would like to ask myself to drop that big

1650
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 1: throbbing thrusting, thoughtful.

1651
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 2: Thrusting by shaking.

1652
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 1: Shake in. We have one pat League game. Lehigh was

1653
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 1: on by last week they were awaiting the winner of

1654
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 1: Villanova and Hobbard h twelve pm Eastern Times Saturday, ESPN

1655
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 1: plus Villanova ten and two squaring off at Murray H.

1656
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 1: Goodman Stadium against the Lehigh Mountain Hawks, who were twelve

1657
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 1: and zero and four and one half point favorites in

1658
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 1: the second round of the FCS playoffs. I believe the

1659
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 1: winner probably plays Tarleton. I have not seen who Tarleton

1660
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 1: is squaring off against on the other side of the bracket.

1661
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 1: Lehigh got screwed. They should have been the four instead

1662
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:41,559
Speaker 1: of the five. Okay, so we're gonna be rooting against

1663
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 1: Tarleton on the other side to get another home game

1664
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 1: here in the valley. But Mountain Hawks, how do we

1665
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:51,679
Speaker 1: feel here? It's a nooner. It is a nooner.

1666
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 2: How's the weather going to be?

1667
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:55,800
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be high risk, It's going to

1668
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 1: be very brisk. I saw that there's a front blowing

1669
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 1: through like Friday nights going down to the lower teens

1670
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 1: or something. It's gonna be cold.

1671
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 2: Will Lee High be distracted by Kevin Cahill's move to

1672
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:12,639
Speaker 2: Penn State? You laugh time I know he has zoomed

1673
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:16,720
Speaker 2: up the candidate list. My god, if pack Craft has

1674
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 2: a list of fifty dudes, Kevin k Hill's on.

1675
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 1: It, Penn State's gonna make a trade. They're gonna trade

1676
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 1: Pat Kraft to Lehigh for Kevin k Hill. Fine, great,

1677
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 1: straight everybody wins straight up. I'm on lee High here.

1678
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 2: It They're not in my blood, but they're blood adjacent.

1679
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 1: We gotta go Lee High here. Man. You know that

1680
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 1: it's tough, but I'm going. I'm going to Lee High

1681
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 1: here again. Ver ballers dot Com is where you can

1682
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 1: go if you want to sign up and support what

1683
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 1: Dan and I do, get in on the game, get

1684
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:50,200
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1685
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 1: you are listening to this, please leave us a comment

1686
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1688
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1689
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 1: it this deep into the show, yeah, chances are your

1690
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:08,639
Speaker 1: one of us at this point. So if you could

1691
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 1: do your part to help attract more people, we would

1692
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 1: appreciate that very much. That'd be awesome. Yeah, it'd be awesome. Otherwise,

1693
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:18,640
Speaker 1: just leave a comment wherever you can Spotify YouTube. There

1694
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 1: are a bunch of other podcast apps out there that

1695
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:21,599
Speaker 1: let you do that. We read all of them. I've

1696
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 1: been saying this many times over. We do read all

1697
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 1: of them. We'd love to hear from the verballer. Yes,

1698
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 1: got a very busy weekend in store for us. Dan,

1699
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 1: I am very excited. We got one weekend left and

1700
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:37,719
Speaker 1: then we start the whole thing over with the second season.

1701
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:40,720
Speaker 1: For the meantime, for that guy there, my good friend

1702
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 1: Dan Rubens, Steve. For myself, Tie hillar Brand, we'll catch

1703
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 1: you all this weekend. I meantimes, they saw him. Peace