WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Abismo Negro 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.000 Thinking Sideways is not brought to you by code writing 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:07.120 carpenter Ants. Instead is supported by the generous contributions of 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:11.200 people like you, our listeners on Patreon. Visit patreon dot 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:29.000 com slash thinking sideways to learn more Thinking Sideways stories 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:33.840 of things we simply don't know the answer too. Well. 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:37.720 Hey there, and welcome again to another episode of Thinking Sideways. 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:41.400 I am Steve, of course, joined by Devin and Joe 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:47.159 and Joe, and this week we have yet another mystery. Uh. 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:50.160 This week we are going to talk about the death 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:57.560 of Bisbon Negro a Bismon Negro for anybody who doesn't know, 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:02.800 was a was a lout a door and his looch doors. 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:06.959 That's obviously. Bismo Negro was his ring name. His real 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:12.640 name was actually Andreas Alejandro Palamecke Gonzalez. Do we want 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:14.959 to tell what people what a looch door is? We will. 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:19.760 We're okay, We're gonna get there. I'm sorry, just a 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:22.679 brief description of what the mystery is before we talk 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:25.360 about the details on it. Pala mack A was found 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:29.679 dead under a bridge neil near El Rosario, Mexico, in 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:34.120 March of two thousand nine, and the initial belief of 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:37.320 what caused his death, and then the eventual official cause 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:41.440 of death was accidental drowning, which caused a lot of 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:45.760 questions to be raised. And the reason partially is because 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:48.920 it was during the dry season in Mexico and he 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:53.840 drowned a mud puddal basically, yeah, yeah, he basically drowned 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:59.240 in a mud puddle so deadly dihydrogen monoxide that oh yeah, 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:02.800 teaspoon that can kill you, can kill you, and everybody 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:07.240 who's consumed it dies, you know. Okay, So this, this 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:10.720 supposed mud puddle was actually it was a body of water. 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:12.640 It was about a waiste not waist deep. But it 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:15.399 is really strange because it raises the question of how 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:18.640 does a man who is so physically fit drowned in 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:24.520 such a small body of water stand up? Stand up? 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:28.000 And so the mystery, the questions around the mystery are, 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:31.800 you know, how did he die? Was it really an accident? 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:35.480 If so, how did it happen? And if it wasn't 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:38.360 an accident, then it must have been murdered? And who 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:43.040 pulled off this very well covered up murder? Yeah, it's 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:46.000 really what our story is. Good questions. It's quite insidious, 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:48.560 I must agree. Before we get into the mystery. Quick 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:52.000 shout out to Stephen who suggested this, not not not me, 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:54.440 know somebody else like a year ago, which I mean, 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:56.239 this is another one I've been sitting on forever. I 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:58.799 admit it. I'm doing this all the time. You are, 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:00.880 you know. I go through that cheat that we keep 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:03.120 of all of the suggestions, and I see, oh, that 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:06.200 one sounds all Steve called Dibbs already. That was Steve 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:08.800 called Dibbs already. Okay, I'll do this one. No, Joe's 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:12.400 got DIBs already. You guys been doing it for years. 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:14.760 I know. I really appoloy, I really we should have 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:17.040 warned you, except that you would have got in on 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:18.920 the really good stories. Is to tell you that we 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:21.760 were calling dibbs on spreadsheets, so I didn't know. And 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.320 by the way, Devon, we're calling dibbs on the spreadsheet, 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:26.760 So go ahead and call DIBs on anything you want. 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:31.240 Oh great, now, thanks. You know. Actually, the reason I 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.880 do that every time it's time to do an episode 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:35.680 and I'm trying to think of a good mystery to do, 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:37.400 I go out there and I go to those things, 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:39.880 and sometimes I'll be opening those up and realizing Christ. 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.280 You know, I looked at this thing like three times already, 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:43.960 and I've forgotten about it and gone back and looks 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.040 I started, I said, I decided to start marking the 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:48.200 good ones. And you'll know I've marked out the ones. 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:50.160 Is too short or not a mystery, or I have 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:52.840 noticed Joe has his own crib note system. He does. 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:55.560 I still don't know what the asterric means. I've asked 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:58.120 him three times. He refuses to tell me. Actually, I've 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:00.840 forgotten what it means. Think it means. I've looked at 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.480 it yourself. So new mystery next week? What does the 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:09.200 astrict meaning? Okay, alright, let's go on with our story. 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:12.560 I do okay. Before we actually get into the story, 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:17.599 quick quick disclaimer here story took place in Mexico. There's 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.599 a lot of Spanish. Spanish is not a language that 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:23.160 I am very good with. I mean, if you've heard 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:25.880 me speak British English, you know how bad I am 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:32.200 or English English English English. So I have done a 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:35.159 lot of work to get the pronunciations of things right. 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:38.800 If I dropped something, which chances are good, I'm gonna 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:43.719 drop a couple of things wrong. I apologize in advance Okay, 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:47.599 back to Devon's question several minutes ago, which is what's 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:56.279 a Luchadors are wrestlers. Luchadors are part of sport which 0:04:56.320 --> 0:05:00.600 is called lucha libre, which loosely translates to English is 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:05.239 free fight. Lucha libres kind of similar to professional wrestling 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:08.159 that you'll see in the US, which is it's non 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:11.280 greco Roman wrestling. Yeah, it's like the professional wrestling with 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:13.080 the guys are big, hooking guys and they have these 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:15.920 all have these grievances against one another. We're talking like 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:24.880 ww e JO sort of stuff, except that the lucha 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:28.719 libre is a little unique in terms of there's a 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:33.039 cultural aspect where all of the wrestlers are always seen 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:36.840 in the ring as their persona or outside the ring 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:40.840 as their persona, where they're wearing a mask, if not 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:46.760 an outfit, and we're talking likes full face mask, you know, 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:52.159 complete body suits that are color matched. So there are 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:54.640 things that you'll see with these where it is very 0:05:54.680 --> 0:06:00.360 stylistically linked together. The masks are very stylistic, and one 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:04.839 wrestler's mask and another's wrestler's mask don't look anything alike 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:08.880 other than their a mask because just the way it's organized, 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:12.160 So it's it's it's very distinct. Yeah. Frankly, I've always 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.880 been a little creeped out by those masks. Yeah, I 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:17.600 would agree with that. Actually, well, you know it's It's 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.200 funny though, is that most people probably will know what 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:24.080 we're talking about because there's so much pop culture stuff 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:27.280 that's been done. I mean there's cartoons. There was mucha 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:29.960 Lucca which was on TV for several years, which was 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:35.080 a cartoon road Strong Bad from Home Start Runner. Although 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:39.520 my favorite thing about Strong Bad. Have you ever caught 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:44.080 the joke of Strong Bad he's wearing a luchador mask, 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:49.760 but he also wears boxing gloves. Yeah, so there's this weird, 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:53.320 this weird little joke. And and who he is Yeah, 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:56.160 Nacho Libre. Also, I don't think he wore the mask. 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:58.760 I didn't see the movie. I didn't watch that. Yeah. No, 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.720 that's one of those ones. I wasn't gonna wat check 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:04.560 made that movie where poop disappeared. I kind of stopped 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:06.520 watching this movie. I literally have no idea what you're 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:09.039 talking about exactly. I don't think I saw that one either. 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.480 You're lucky. Yeah, what movie was that? Ben Stiller was 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:14.600 in it. That's all you need to know. Don't don't, 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.000 don't go down that alley. I'm gonna go on record 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:21.679 here as saying, in regards to Lucally Bring, it's all fake. 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:25.280 What pretty sure it's all fake? And I'm pretty sure 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:30.560 that's a well accepted fact. I don't know about that, Steve. Okay, 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:35.720 So American w w E slash ten A wrestling people 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:39.240 still try to pretend that's real. But the reading that 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:42.480 I got that I did. I get the feeling that 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:46.040 you know, people who watched literally they get that it's 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:49.000 kind of made up. Well, of course it is. Now Okay, 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.920 so I've I've gone ahead and I've piste off sports 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:56.200 fans this entire continent at this point. I'm sure not 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:59.240 many of our listeners aren't wrestling fans. You know, it 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.120 all makes sense. I mean, if you're going out into 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:03.800 the ring, like you know, five times a week or 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:07.240 whatever and actually really going at it, you can't just 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.440 do that all the time. Injured a lot. Did either 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:13.800 of you watch matches for this? I have seen them before. 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:17.360 I didn't for this. I was I was cracking up 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.800 watching some of the matches where they are just they're 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.559 all super macho and they're buff and it's so hard, 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.880 and then one guy smacks into another guy and that 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:30.720 guy goes completely flaccid and falls down and then jumps 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:36.120 up into suddenly just sy energizing, so hilarious. One of 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.360 my favorites is one like one guy is down in 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:39.959 the center of the ring and the other guy starts 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:42.199 running back and forth corner to quarter, bouncing off the 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:47.840 ropes about him. Yeah, I mean, the idea I think 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.360 is that is that he's like building up momentum and speed. 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:52.000 You know what, Really all he's doing is running back 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:57.559 and forth, Yeah, right to fall. It's not even like 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:01.439 you're gonna run. He's building up static electricity probably, And 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:03.280 let me see you see him, Like do the other 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:04.880 one with the guys down, He clambs up on the 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:07.000 ropes in the corner and then jumps off on the guy, 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:09.120 jumps on top of him and then just lads next 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:11.240 to him, and his arm is actually the only part 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.120 of them that hits the guy's body. Yeah, you know, 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.160 and it's just totally the whole thing. It's just is 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:19.160 so much fun to watch as long as you keep 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:22.480 that in mind, because I'd laugh for a good fifteen 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:27.160 minutes watching these. They are so fun. But that's enough 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:31.360 about the little precursor bits. Let's get into our mystery. 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:37.960 Are we ready to rumble? Yeah, let's get ready to rumble. 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:44.920 You're right, okay. So Pala Macka had been wrestling for 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:50.400 about two decades. He began his career in At that 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:54.400 time he was under the character or ring name of 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:58.400 Alex Dynamo, and then, several years later and of course 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:04.480 masked and costume changes, began wrestling as Pecanyo Samurai, which 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:08.720 translates the little Samurai. What does it did his costume 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.360 look like a samurai? You're gonna you're gonna look it 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:13.160 up now. I'm going to tell you that it doesn't 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:15.720 look like a samurai. I'm just gonna tell you no 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:20.920 swords involved. It is wrestling. He uh He. Then again, 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:25.120 later several years later, changed his outfit again and his 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:31.360 persona and in two became Winners that's the character's name, Winners, 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:33.760 at which point he actually enjoyed a lot of success. 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:35.720 Yeah he did. He actually had. He had pretty good 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:37.599 career there for a while before he started circling the 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:42.040 drain Winners. It's just not it's just not omin enough, 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:46.400 ominous enough sounding. Okay, So there's there's this funny thing 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:50.360 in in luter libre where there's rudios, which are the 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:53.640 rude boys that you're bad guys, and then there's the 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:57.760 good guys. And the rudio's always have these kind of 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:03.080 sinister names, and the good guys have these very simple, clean, 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:08.240 pure names. And so winners or winner, depending on how 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:11.240 you see it written. He was a good guy, so 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:15.360 it's kind of that clean, pure name. So that's why 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:18.880 I believe that's what that's why it was only winner 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:23.120 instead of the Olympic Champion winners or something crazy like that. 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:30.000 He did. He did eventually do that. Um. But here's 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:33.199 something that we got to point out about the wrestling 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:38.720 sport itself, which is things are done with luchadors. There 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:42.680 are leagues or federations, and people might be sort of 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:45.640 familiar with this with other sports. You know, you see 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:49.320 the majors and the miners and and the semipro leagues 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:52.520 and all this stuff. The thing about the Luca libre 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:55.600 is that there are these leagues or federations, whatever you 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:58.880 want to call them, that all operate at the same 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:05.040 level into pendant of one another. So there are we 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:08.480 to actually mentioned this briefly earlier. In the US, there 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.960 is the w w E, the World Wrestling Entertainments formerly 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:16.920 WWF formally WWF, And there is also t N A 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:20.800 Total Total NonStop Action, which I've never heard of before, 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.920 you know, really, yeah, I've heard of it for years, 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:25.679 but I always thought it was part of t n 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:30.680 T the TV, But it's not. But these are two 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:34.559 leagues that are on the same level, but they are 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:39.080 completely autonomous of one another. They're there, wrestlers don't don't 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:42.480 crossover and wrestle their guys, and if they do, they 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:47.360 full on leave one side and begin to operate inside 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:49.840 the circles of the other. They don't. They don't go 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.720 back and forth. No crossover. Now, so they were the 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:55.960 luchador masks and the costumes and all that stuff. Is 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:58.880 it publicized who's behind that masker? Is it just you know, 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.280 when they're talking about the are they saying this person 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:03.920 is this person? Or are they just saying and it's 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:08.079 this person they always refer as, at least in my experience. 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:10.679 And again, I don't know a lot of Spanish. I 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.040 don't watch a watch a lot, so I can't give 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:16.960 good firsthand knowledge of this. But what I understand is 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:20.439 everybody kind of knows who behind who's behind the mask, 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:25.000 But when the mask is on, that is the character, 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:28.479 and that is who you talk about. You don't say 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:34.480 and Bob Jones playing the whatever whatever, that's that's not 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:38.760 the way it goes character, you know. Yeah, it's like 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:42.400 um as an example, in the w WF when I 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.000 was a kid, so there was there was Hull Cogan. 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:47.320 Everybody knew who whole Cogan was. Well, that's kind of 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:51.559 his name. But then there's Jake the Snake. Well, Jake's 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:55.480 last name was not Snake. His character was Jake the Snake. 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:59.120 He had a last name. His first name happened to 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:03.000 be Jake. They never said Jake the Snake a k A. 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:06.920 Whatever his full name. About the Undertaker, that was not 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:10.200 his real name. That's not his legal name. No, No, 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:13.640 I have some I have some apology letters to write. Do. Yeah, 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.840 we are way off track. Okay, So we were talking 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.640 about the League's what we were talking about. Okay, So 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:25.720 palamcka was originally he was wrestling under uh. It's commonly 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:30.920 the abbreviation in English is cml L, which is consert 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:35.920 Ho Mundial de Lucha Libre, which is Spanish for World 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.600 Wrestling Council. And that was when he was under the 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:43.680 characters of Alex Dynamo and Pecano Samurai. And then after 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:48.000 he went over to what you see commonly referred to 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:51.320 his Triple A promotions, which I'm actually not going to 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:52.800 try and say this one Spanish because I know a 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:56.880 butcher really badly, uh, which in Spanish translated to English, 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:01.600 it is assistance counseling and Administra Arasian promotions, which is 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:04.200 why everybody calls it Triple A because it sounds much 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:08.480 sexier that way. But when he was when Palomo palam 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:11.240 Oke was at Triple A, that's when he started his 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:14.800 winners and he had a lot of success with them, 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:20.200 and then in he changed from one of the good 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:23.360 guys to the bad guys. He changed his character, and 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.440 that's when he became a bismo negro, which is the 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.880 black abyss, which we haven't actually said yet. It is 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:32.720 absolutely correct. We have not said that the direct translation, 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:34.760 So this is this is the funny thing. Joe and 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:37.480 I chatted about this a little bit earlier. The direct 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:42.280 translation in English is abyss black, but it is properly 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:46.400 translated black Abyss. Yeah, that's one of those nuances of translation. 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.560 It is, and it's it plays a bit of a 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:53.040 role later on as we go through things. But he 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:56.840 had a lot of success, Like I said, he did 0:15:56.880 --> 0:16:01.000 that he made that transition. He was one of their 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:04.440 top wrestlers at Triple A in two thousand and four. 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:06.560 He was good enough that he actually got into an 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:10.640 exchange program with t NA here in the US, and 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:15.120 he for a year wrestled in matches in the States 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:19.400 with the mask and everything before he eventually went back. 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:23.240 And it's funny. I watched some of those matches and 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.200 it's kind of terrible and shame on ten A for 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:29.240 doing this a little bit. I mean, he does English, 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:33.120 but he plays totally dumb like he doesn't know English, 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:37.640 and they play that up. It's a weird stereotype thing. 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:42.520 It was awkward, still totally hilarious to watch him running 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:45.800 around smacking guys in the face. But yeah, it was 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:49.480 a little strange. It's a little strange. Yeah, the whole 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:53.560 thing is a little strange to watch that if the 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:55.800 people who watch it and take it seriously is what 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:59.000 I don't. But again, I have made all those people 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:01.040 angry once, So we're not going to keep doing that. 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:05.400 Let's move forward. So after you know, there's he goes 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:08.000 to the States. He's in on the teen A matches 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:11.640 for a year. He then he starts to hit what 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:16.040 I would call a rough match, starts missing matches on 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:20.840 a relatively regular basis, and based on the reading that 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:25.280 I've done, he's generally starts to be considered unreliable, as 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:29.040 in not showing up for matches. And that's kind of 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:33.879 a bummer. Yeah, it's thousands of people show up for 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:38.159 a four match night and one of the guys doesn't show. 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:41.160 They just paid for a three match night and they're 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.960 they're not happy. Well, but so here's a question. I mean, 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:49.880 they wear a costume and a mask, mask, there's no option, 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.240 yeah for there to just have somebody else go on 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:54.399 as him. I think that might have been done a 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:59.879 few times. So there, um, there is ways that that happened. 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:04.440 There are some negative repercussions that come about from that. 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:08.119 We're gonna talk about some personally or both for the 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:12.600 both for the reputation of the character as well as 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:16.000 the organizer of the event, depending upon how they go 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:19.399 about it. There I mean, we can just jump to this. 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:23.639 There's a bit where somebody goes on stage pretending to 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:27.680 be our wrestler, our luchador here, and it is not 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:31.879 actually him, and they bill it as him and don't 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.760 make any mention that they have a fill in pretending, 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.560 And when it comes out what happened, that promoter gets 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:41.480 banned for two years. So we'll talk about that a 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:44.320 little bit later. Yeah, so it's it's possible. I know 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:48.600 exactly where you're heading with that, but it's it's terrible 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:52.879 for me. Yeah. Um, So the problem is he's missing 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:56.600 these matches because, according to the rumors that we're floating about, 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:59.520 and this is for a good number of years, he 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:03.600 really some drugs. He especially seems to have been fond 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:07.000 of cocaine. People are a lot of people do like 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:11.399 cocaine to the length that he is reported to have 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:16.440 wrestled for drugs as well as possibly have done it 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:22.560 in the locker room in the open with other wrestlers. 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:24.960 Maybe this sounds like rude, but don't you kind of 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:27.240 think you'd want to be high if you were doing 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:30.520 this for a living. I'm actually if you're gonna go 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:34.000 like fake a fight, don't you think maybe you want 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.119 high before that. I can't believe I'm about to do this, 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:39.800 but I'm gonna defend wrestling in a way that I 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:44.639 never thought I was gonna do. Yes, Okay, so let's 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:48.840 think about this. A match is choreographed. You go to 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:52.200 the ballet and these dancers have trained, and they know 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:56.000 their steps and their routines and where they're supposed to be, 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:59.680 where their marks are are are on stage the entire time, 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:02.919 as are moving about rapidly with up to you know, 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:04.320 I don't know how many of them on the site, 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:06.959 but a bunch of people. Okay. Now let's think about that. 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:10.240 From the point of a wrestler. There are two of you. 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:14.600 You are choreographed to do very specific things, which are 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:19.240 feats of athleticism. The last thing you want is the 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:23.160 other dude high as a kite and missing his mark 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:27.639 and bringing his elbow down not on the mat next 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:31.600 to your head, but on your throat. Like there, there's 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:37.680 a lot of choreography and actual skill involved. I get 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:40.639 that wrestling is a joke, but there's a ton of 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:44.840 skill in or that to look real. But if if 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:47.439 you took a few lines before the match, you know 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:50.800 it might, it won't necessarily make you less sharp. Two 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:55.000 points one used Ballerina, which was maybe a bad example 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:56.960 because I know I'm going to get some flak for this, 0:20:57.119 --> 0:21:00.920 But a lot of ballerina's do cocaine, like a lot 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:04.400 of them, almost all of them. I understand that. Please 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:07.560 don't send me angry emails. And two two's got it. Yeah, 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:09.640 I mean that's been a thing. Um. But I guess 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:11.720 point two is I don't know. I guess I don't 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:14.040 know the history well enough to know. You know, maybe 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:17.600 he was actually a serious wrestler and hated the fact 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:20.359 that he sold out, and so he wanted to get high, 0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:23.160 so he wasn't so embarrassed by I. I don't think 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:24.679 that you can get into the sport. I mean he 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:28.000 started in the sport at fourteen, he started professionally. I 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:30.320 mean his debut. He was a sixteen year old kid. 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:33.480 So he at this point you know in the story 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:36.280 when he dies, he's almost a forty year old man. 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:38.480 He's been doing it for years. If he had a 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:40.360 problem with it, if he would have gotten out of here, 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:42.640 he would have this. It would have been very obvious 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:45.080 many many years ago. Mostly, I just like you don't 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:48.199 know why I am why I'm even bringing this stuff up, 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:50.080 because I feel like it's just not an issue that 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:52.000 he was doing cocaine. I mean, obviously it's an issue 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:56.840 that anybody's doing cocaine. But but but there is there's 0:21:56.840 --> 0:22:01.479 a there's a certain level of physical control that you 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:05.240 have to have to pull off some of these things. 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:09.080 I mean, you see these crazy flying moves that these 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:13.040 guys do, and if you are blitzed in any way, 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:15.840 well it's not heroin. I mean, but if you are 0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:21.240 not in your most soberst state of mind, bad things 0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:26.320 can happen. So that's why I say that. But the 0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:31.199 point is he he's apparently liked his drugs and like 0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:33.080 I said, to put it all the drugs on the table. 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:36.960 He liked to do coke. And it is also rumored 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:39.920 that there's a lot of guys at the time and 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:45.359 previous to him we're doing he was also on anabolic steroids. 0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:49.400 He was on steroids. It's no I thank you, Joe. 0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:53.359 It is very highly suspected, but there is nothing that 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:57.200 I have found that says definitively he was on steroids. 0:22:57.960 --> 0:23:02.119 He Palaback evidently knew or somebody around him knew that 0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:06.360 there was a problem because he apparently went into rehab 0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:10.919 several times. And I also am under under the understanding 0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:15.320 that Triple A banned him a couple of times. Maybe 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:20.200 not officially, but he would come and go in the scene. 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:24.240 If you're missing matches, obviously they're going to do something 0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:26.080 to you. Yeah. I think it was probably something in 0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:28.600 the order of, you know, go away, going to rehab, 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:31.159 get yourself cleaned up, and they'd come back someday whenever, 0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:33.440 you know, right, And so then they would let him 0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:35.840 come back and he would seem fine, and then the 0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:39.480 process of the cycle would start again, and then things 0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:43.040 would go bad and they'd kick him out. Now, Triple A, 0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:46.199 they were trying to figure out what to do because 0:23:47.280 --> 0:23:50.200 his character was pretty popular and they needed a roudio 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:53.159 in that he was still winners at that time. No, no, 0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:56.440 he was. He was a bismo negro at this point 0:23:56.480 --> 0:24:00.399 because he had he had gone to that character seven. 0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:05.439 So this character is really fans loved him because he 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:08.000 was just he did this weird thing. He loved to 0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:11.280 bring out a lighter and a can of hairspray or 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:13.000