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Speaker 1: It is Tusay, October eighth, twenty nineteen, Season fifteen, episode
Speaker 1: number fifty nine. Welcome to another edition of The Break
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Speaker 1: of stuff to talk about today. It's a gumbo show,
Speaker 1: so we'll dip all around the NFL and around the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and what. It's nothing. Sorry, we'll just see what
Speaker 1: the where the show takes us. We got a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff we can talk about, all right. So I
Speaker 1: want to start first though, with injuries for a few
Speaker 1: guys coming out of this game. A couple of guys
Speaker 1: that were injured going into the game, but I just
Speaker 1: kind of want to get some status on where they are.
Speaker 1: Lyle Collins talking to me about where he is at
Speaker 1: this point, and he did get hurt during the game,
Speaker 1: left the game. Um, where what do we know about
Speaker 1: him at this point? No two knees are the same,
Speaker 1: No two injuries are the same. But it's an MCL
Speaker 1: sprain and we're talking about it like he's gonna have
Speaker 1: a chance to play Sunday, which is one of those
Speaker 1: this is insane type of things, because that's what knocked
Speaker 1: that l football is that's what's knock Dan swine Woods
Speaker 1: out since September fifteenth, It's been three weeks and all
Speaker 1: the difference Again, two different knees, two different sprains, two
Speaker 1: different guys. I get that. Still kind of crazy to
Speaker 1: think he could play six days after spraining his MCL. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think when you look at the team, and
Speaker 1: I hate to do this, you know, you look at
Speaker 1: it all. You're playing an O and four team against
Speaker 1: the Jets, and they do have some talent though up front,
Speaker 1: so you know off the quarterback back, you do have
Speaker 1: their quarterback back. Yeah, he's the they named him the starter.
Speaker 1: He's going to start. Good. Good for him, So does
Speaker 1: change things a bit, Sam Arnold, for those of you
Speaker 1: aren't familiar, wad you go that? Well? Because there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not the best, but I mean there'll be a
Speaker 1: better football team with him. He'll have some games where
Speaker 1: he's like really really good. So for some reason, the
Speaker 1: gutboys tend to make some players become really really good.
Speaker 1: So it happens. Yeah that really what I was talking
Speaker 1: about was going back more to Lyle. Let's say he
Speaker 1: doesn't play, I think the who starts Cam. That probably
Speaker 1: depends on Tyrn Smith, which he is. They're optimistic about
Speaker 1: him coming back from his ankle, which is again promising
Speaker 1: crazy high ankle sprain, and might be on the field
Speaker 1: two weeks later. If if it's if Tyron plays, then
Speaker 1: I would say it's Tyrant and Cam. If Tyrant doesn't play,
Speaker 1: then it's probably sixty minutes of Cam and Brandon Knight.
Speaker 1: Well take I would, honestly, I think i'd start Brandon Knight.
Speaker 1: I think I would at right tackle. First of all,
Speaker 1: tell me how did he play this last Sunday when
Speaker 1: he had to play in relief of Lyle Collins. I
Speaker 1: think he played well based off of that um But
Speaker 1: I think that yeah, I think we're grading, you know,
Speaker 1: on We're not grading on a curve there. We're like,
Speaker 1: hey this this guy. Um, No, we are actually because
Speaker 1: he comes in it's like, oh man, it's Brandon Knight.
Speaker 1: He's never played before. It's not too bad. But yeah,
Speaker 1: Dak almost got killed a couple of times. But I
Speaker 1: think he hung in there pretty good. Almost died. But
Speaker 1: I thought he played very well for an undrafted rookie
Speaker 1: who spent more time at guard than tackle the last
Speaker 1: two months to come in cold off the bench in
Speaker 1: the third quarter. I thought he played very well. It's
Speaker 1: not he wasn't perfect, That's not what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: I thought he handled the circumstances great. But if Lyle Collins,
Speaker 1: that was Lyle Collins, we would be wondering if he
Speaker 1: you know, why did they sign him? Yeah, but get
Speaker 1: I gread on a curve. Yeah, you I always say that.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I hold him to a different standard
Speaker 1: than Brandon Knight. Yeah, and I grade on a curve
Speaker 1: when it's progress reports. But when it's time for the
Speaker 1: end of the year of report card that I mean,
Speaker 1: it is what it is. I mean, Yeah, we disagree
Speaker 1: on We always always will mean, Dad, No, we we
Speaker 1: will always disagree. We've done several times. Is Blake Jarwin
Speaker 1: better than Jason Witten? Well, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Stuff like my expectations for a player always influence how
Speaker 1: I perceive, like how I grade them. You know, So
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods gets a higher grade last year for where
Speaker 1: he was coming out of training camp as opposed to
Speaker 1: a Malie Collins or any other you know, then how
Speaker 1: you would even grade him this year coming out? Yeah,
Speaker 1: my expectations for him are different than the Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: that's a different conversation. But speaking if he was warming
Speaker 1: up kind of going back to injurance, he was warming
Speaker 1: up with them. I mean, no, he wasn't going to play,
Speaker 1: but he was warming up. Yeah, he confusing me. He
Speaker 1: had that jersey T shirt on. What what was he wearing?
Speaker 1: It was like, do you have his jersey? He was
Speaker 1: just wearing his jersey. Yeah, he bore his jersey with
Speaker 1: sweatpants and just kind of, you know, kind of like
Speaker 1: kind of high school vibes, like trying to we one
Speaker 1: of the guys and you know, I don't mean that
Speaker 1: it is that's what back to the high school. You
Speaker 1: still got the jersey, that's right, you know. And he
Speaker 1: had different pants on Minesota's Quinn. So you never know
Speaker 1: what's going on with that. I think Antoino play this
Speaker 1: week just me wildly speculating on a Tuesday Omas did
Speaker 1: they miss him last week? Well, Aaron Jones looked like,
Speaker 1: you know, but Jim Brown. But but when we talked
Speaker 1: about it yesterday, I think we all agreed the linebackers
Speaker 1: were the biggest issue. So it was a defensive line
Speaker 1: just as much a part of that. I disagree. I
Speaker 1: think when he gets to the linebacker, I mean, you
Speaker 1: don't want it to get to the linebackers all the time.
Speaker 1: And yeah, but I think again, what I was saying
Speaker 1: at least, and I'm not gonna speak for you guys,
Speaker 1: what I was saying from what I was watching, it
Speaker 1: looked like there were situations because everybody has immense gap integrity,
Speaker 1: everybody has a gap, and it looked like the linebackers
Speaker 1: weren't filling their gaps. That's not necessarily about the defensive line.
Speaker 1: I didn't see a lot of defensive lineman necessarily getting
Speaker 1: just thrown around and moved out of the way. It
Speaker 1: just seemed like there were gaps that weren't being filled,
Speaker 1: and I thought those were the gaps that the linebackers
Speaker 1: should fill. The linebackers didn't play well, but I thought
Speaker 1: the defensive tackles got washed out of the out of
Speaker 1: the play pretty frequently last week. And maybe they were
Speaker 1: put pressing to rush the passer because you know, Rogers
Speaker 1: is so important to everything the Packers want to do.
Speaker 1: But I don't I really, I'm not sure anybody in
Speaker 1: the front seven had a good game. I mean, not
Speaker 1: a not a great one. The guy. It actually did
Speaker 1: stand out a couple of times was Covington now as
Speaker 1: making a good play. Sometimes when you get washed out,
Speaker 1: you don't see that they're out of the picture, you know.
Speaker 1: But yeah, nobody upfront really played well. And there's a
Speaker 1: reason he starts. I think getting you're starting one technique
Speaker 1: back would be big this week. But isn't that how
Speaker 1: Rod kind of teaches this whole thing that he kind
Speaker 1: of tells him that here's your gap, and get up
Speaker 1: your gap and get up feel and so it's it
Speaker 1: may look like they're getting washed up when really they
Speaker 1: had their gap. It's just their gap was not where
Speaker 1: the ball went, and somebody else is responsible for that gap.
Speaker 1: Well true, I mean I'm not saying it's just on them,
Speaker 1: but it's just like with any position, you want your
Speaker 1: starter back out there. So the last couple of games,
Speaker 1: he's been out with three games he missed the Dolphins game, right,
Speaker 1: two three. Yeah, he's been out since the Dolphins game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it'd be nice to have the stability of having your
Speaker 1: starter back out there, right. Yeah, you would think that
Speaker 1: he can make a difference because I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I don't think the defensive tackles played their best game,
Speaker 1: Goatteth Packers. All right? Talking about cam Fleming, how did
Speaker 1: he perform last week? In relief of Tyren Smith actually
Speaker 1: got in an argument with Rob Phillips about that. Yesterday
Speaker 1: is a new and Rob, yeah, I know right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's that? What they are? You treat a camp? Yeah?
Speaker 1: How do I miss that? I again, I guess Finn
Speaker 1: argument it's for it's not expect again, expectations or everything.
Speaker 1: And I like, I was like, you know, for not
Speaker 1: being Tyron and coming in and you know we've seen
Speaker 1: we've seen left tackles give up seven sacks when Tyron
Speaker 1: wasn't in there before. I thought he played all right.
Speaker 1: And like when I say all right, I mean they
Speaker 1: didn't lose this game because of cam Fleming's inability to
Speaker 1: protect Dax. So like that's that's what I and Rob
Speaker 1: was like, you can't be serious, Like he did not
Speaker 1: play well, Like there were flags, there were sacks, there
Speaker 1: was all and he makes a valid point, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: compared to he didn't play a very good game, But
Speaker 1: it like, did they lose because of their inability to
Speaker 1: protect Dak from from edge rushers? I don't think like
Speaker 1: Zadarius Smith and Preston Smith had good games, like, yes,
Speaker 1: I know, but that's not why they lost, you know,
Speaker 1: and not in my opinion at least, maybe it's a
Speaker 1: part of it. Sure, yeah, I mean no, I can
Speaker 1: always yes, you can always point fingers and lost. In
Speaker 1: a game like this, there was lots of reason to go.
Speaker 1: I mean there was because you can't just go with
Speaker 1: stats and when it comes to the left tackle of
Speaker 1: how many times he gave up a sack or whatever,
Speaker 1: because all it takes is a couple of plays early
Speaker 1: in the game, and then you have to ask yourself,
Speaker 1: did Dak play well? Did Dak look like he was
Speaker 1: ever rushing? Yeah he did. He had some throws that
Speaker 1: he normally doesn't make, and so you know, you don't
Speaker 1: have to worry about it when seventy seven's over here.
Speaker 1: But when it's not seventy seven and you're already getting
Speaker 1: hit a couple of times, that might change, you know what,
Speaker 1: So I we max protecting more than we normally. Well,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that get affected by early
Speaker 1: pressure an ultimate team game, right, But if you were
Speaker 1: going to rank the reasons why they lost, like minus
Speaker 1: three in turnover differential packers averaging five yards a carry.
Speaker 1: Where do you put that? How much of that stems
Speaker 1: from him feeling pressured? Okay, that's what I'm asking. Where
Speaker 1: do you put there? Okay, so let me ask this question.
Speaker 1: Let's let's simplify those two things. If this game you
Speaker 1: had to put it on one or the other, offense
Speaker 1: or defense as to the main reason why the Cowboys lost,
Speaker 1: which one do you go? That's stuff? Um? Defense? I
Speaker 1: put it on the defense because, I mean, look, you
Speaker 1: lose the turnover battle by three. That's really bad. But
Speaker 1: helping the defense. It's not helping the defense. But the
Speaker 1: defense just didn't put up much in the way of
Speaker 1: resistance either. I mean again, Aaron Jones one hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty five combined yards I think seventy five receiving and
Speaker 1: one oh seven rushing. First opponent to ever rush for
Speaker 1: four touchdowns against the Cowboys in a game, I think too,
Speaker 1: if you don't have such an early deficit, allows the
Speaker 1: Cowboys to have more options in terms of running the
Speaker 1: ball and not having to rely on getting those yards.
Speaker 1: But why did they have a deficit? Was it because
Speaker 1: of their offense? I mean, if it was, what was
Speaker 1: it at halftime. But I mean that on the defense,
Speaker 1: what if it was seventeen to thirteen. What if it
Speaker 1: was seventeen to ten, Yeah, wouldn't be a deficit. I
Speaker 1: mean we were late into the third quarter and still
Speaker 1: thirty one three. I think that lost because of the offense.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's a great question. That's a hard
Speaker 1: thing to definitively answer, because let's beat Garrett. The offense
Speaker 1: put the defense in a terrible spot. The defense didn't
Speaker 1: necessarily rise to that occasion either. Yeah. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: like when Garrett was asked about the first interception, was
Speaker 1: it on Cooper or was it on dec He's like
Speaker 1: that could have thrown a better ball, Cooper could have
Speaker 1: made a better catch. Moving on, offense, could have played
Speaker 1: better defense, and both true too, both can be true.
Speaker 1: Garrett's really good. Sorry, let's make some kicks on special teams.
Speaker 1: Let's let them in there. I got a whole segment
Speaker 1: special for special teams. We got a whole special segment
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Speaker 1: do you guys think that At this point, let's assume
Speaker 1: for a second that both your starting tackles are out
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys. Consider Connor Williams and maybe sliding him
Speaker 1: out to tackle as opposed to going with Fleming and
Speaker 1: going with Brandon and I. We'll talk about that when
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Speaker 1: the Break Life Nest WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star.
Speaker 1: We're doing a show. We're talking about a little bit
Speaker 1: of everything. We've been spending some time in the offensive line.
Speaker 1: Question I posed right before the break was do you
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys should consider moving Connor Williams out the
Speaker 1: tackle assuming that Tyran and Lyle both are out for
Speaker 1: this next game? Would you consider moving Connor out there
Speaker 1: to get a better five offensive alignment onto the field
Speaker 1: and you're putting Xaviers to a Filo at left guard,
Speaker 1: or you take your thing between him and Joe. Both
Speaker 1: of them I think are really good. Xavier has been
Speaker 1: the first guy off the bench when he would probably
Speaker 1: so this is if both of them can't play. Both
Speaker 1: your tackles are out this game, you can either go
Speaker 1: with Brandon Knight and Cam Fleming and you don't have
Speaker 1: to move any other pieces, or you can take Connor
Speaker 1: and put him at one of those positions and throw
Speaker 1: one of the other guard tell you this, have Cam
Speaker 1: out there. I would at least get Connor some practice
Speaker 1: at tackles so you can do it if if if
Speaker 1: it starts going south, yeah, I would at least get
Speaker 1: him some reps fields where he played in college. Yea, necessarily,
Speaker 1: it's so new. I know it's changing two positions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he played at left tackle. Right yeah, left. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a pretty good tackle. That's I'm kind of I'm I'm
Speaker 1: tempted to punt on this question just because I feel
Speaker 1: pretty good that Tyrant's going to be able to play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the just play alone. Can you know? Well, I
Speaker 1: just you know, bait, I worry that we're gonna like
Speaker 1: scare the crap out of some of our listeners talking
Speaker 1: about Okay, let's make it clear we think or Dave
Speaker 1: thinks that Tyrant's going to play. Yeah, now play the game. Okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you're you're trying to figure out who that
Speaker 1: you're five best, right, and we don't really know if
Speaker 1: if if putting him at right tackle, Connor Williams actually
Speaker 1: putting him at tackle, because if they both don't play,
Speaker 1: I think I put him at left tackle and I
Speaker 1: put Cam back on the right side. Put Connor at
Speaker 1: left tackle. Yeah, it's where he played. No, it's gonna
Speaker 1: play I mean because because teams are who do you
Speaker 1: think about a run blocker? No, And we've had this conversation,
Speaker 1: should be the guard, right You think we've had this
Speaker 1: conversation a few dozen times. Is like, I you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know that the left tackle right tackle thing
Speaker 1: means as much as it did back in the old
Speaker 1: days of the NFL. I could think, well, yeah, but
Speaker 1: it does matter from a standpoint the actual tackle himself,
Speaker 1: not so much the competition he goes against right. But
Speaker 1: there it's different when you're think about just doing anything
Speaker 1: left handed versus right. Yeah, it changes right. So that's
Speaker 1: the part where well Dak is still right handed. So
Speaker 1: I mean, and he's not, you know, it doesn't have
Speaker 1: eyes in the back of his head like most quarterbacks
Speaker 1: other than Tony. But there's another guy in the league
Speaker 1: doing that too. Now I forgot who it was. I
Speaker 1: saw a couple mightbeve my homes. He's unbelievable. But but
Speaker 1: I mean, you still have to worry about, you know,
Speaker 1: your blind side, and I think that was affecting him
Speaker 1: last week. I really do. I think he got a
Speaker 1: little figure happy rattled on his way to four sixty three. Really,
Speaker 1: I do, I do, don't you? I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean he was terrible, honestly, But that's that's Deck.
Speaker 1: Deck has these moments to win for whatever reason when
Speaker 1: he's just not completely on. I mean, we've seen that.
Speaker 1: This is not new true, but he had some throws
Speaker 1: in there. I mean, like you can say what you want,
Speaker 1: and I know it's been said probably on other shows
Speaker 1: that he really only had one pick or two picks
Speaker 1: whatever he if that's the case, he really could have
Speaker 1: had five, you know, I mean, he was lucky to
Speaker 1: have three. He got two back. The other argument, though,
Speaker 1: is that in the offseason we're hearing from John Kitna
Speaker 1: and Kellamore. You know, we want him to just rip it.
Speaker 1: We wanted to throw it. So do you see this
Speaker 1: more as confidence, like he's willing to take more risks. Hmm.
Speaker 1: I wonder if Jason Garrett wants him to just let
Speaker 1: it rip like that. I don't know when you like, yeah,
Speaker 1: letting it rip is important, but like the too, the
Speaker 1: throw that got picked off over the middle by Sullivan,
Speaker 1: that's not letting it ripped. That's just not reading it right,
Speaker 1: same same things I'm saying, I guess just generalized. I
Speaker 1: want him to be confident and be willing to throw.
Speaker 1: And you know, but that's like where you make like
Speaker 1: a high percentage throw where like you know, my guy's
Speaker 1: gonna get it or they're not gonna get it. Not
Speaker 1: let me forget about this safety that dropped in coverage
Speaker 1: that I just don't see it happens. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know where he ranks now, but I believe Brett
Speaker 1: Farr retired as the all time leader in touchdowns. He's
Speaker 1: not anymore, but he was. He might still be the
Speaker 1: all time leader in interceptions, sure so, and he was
Speaker 1: a gun slinger like that. And then you do that
Speaker 1: Romo was guilty of that, as water Sales calls them,
Speaker 1: those indiscriminate throws, right. Yeah, so that's a good point.
Speaker 1: But a couple of those throws though that deck made it,
Speaker 1: and then he got away with some penalties that kind
Speaker 1: of wiped out some of those interceptions as well. I
Speaker 1: do think we're getting back, we're getting off the rails.
Speaker 1: I do think him kind of knowing that his whatever
Speaker 1: mental clock was a little bit, you know, shorter this game.
Speaker 1: So if that is true, I don't I don't want
Speaker 1: to go as far as say I disagree with you,
Speaker 1: but I'm not. I didn't come to that conclusion looking
Speaker 1: at the game again. But will he be better off
Speaker 1: with Connor Williams, who hasn't played left tackle since he
Speaker 1: was in college doing that for him? Or Cam? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Cam Fleming who isn't as good as Tyring but has
Speaker 1: played a lot of left tackle in the league. Or
Speaker 1: Connor Williams who was all big twelve two years ago
Speaker 1: and hasn't done it since. You know what, I think
Speaker 1: he'd probably feel better with Cam. I think so too,
Speaker 1: And I would feel better with Cam. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: we're also taking it to a different level too. We're
Speaker 1: thinking about the third and nine plays where you know,
Speaker 1: here comes a rush or whatever. What about keeping it
Speaker 1: out a third and nine? And way to do that
Speaker 1: is to run the ball on first down or second
Speaker 1: down and actually be ahead of the change, which they
Speaker 1: didn't do very well. So what's their best options to
Speaker 1: run the football? You know, like a suafilo better inside?
Speaker 1: Is it better to keep Connor in there? Is it
Speaker 1: better to run off the right thing? You know? These
Speaker 1: run back because we're just thinking about them pass But
Speaker 1: you know, we all talked about it yesterday. If they
Speaker 1: could have run the ball a little bit better, you know,
Speaker 1: then they wouldn't have been in those situations or more.
Speaker 1: But you run it more if you run it better. Well,
Speaker 1: but I thought they were running the ball fine this
Speaker 1: last game. They were fine. They weren't like like, here's
Speaker 1: zere zere Zek and then on second down and seventy
Speaker 1: gets stuffed for for no games. So now, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: nature the run game. You're not every play is every
Speaker 1: run play is not going to be four yards like,
Speaker 1: there are gonna be some that don't work. But I
Speaker 1: thought overall, as just the running game, I think they
Speaker 1: were effectively using the running game in the first half.
Speaker 1: I think that their offense overall was making too many mistakes,
Speaker 1: and that was more about, in my opinion, the passing game.
Speaker 1: They were turning the ball over never. I never felt
Speaker 1: like they were stuffed in that game. I felt like
Speaker 1: they fell behind and then also and then holding holding
Speaker 1: penalties thing. I looked this up this morning. They've been
Speaker 1: flagged for holding at least three times in four of
Speaker 1: the five games, and some of those are like offensive
Speaker 1: holding on a punt return, so it's important to designate
Speaker 1: between that and like an offensive lineman holding. But that's
Speaker 1: still so thirteen holding calls this year, isn't this? Isn't
Speaker 1: that a league thing? I thought I'd read an article
Speaker 1: somewhere saying that across the league holding offensive holdings up,
Speaker 1: and the league did kind of tell their officials like,
Speaker 1: holy crap, calm with the cold with the holding, but
Speaker 1: that an offensive past interference seemed to be two calls
Speaker 1: that this year. Like the refs for whatever reason they
Speaker 1: got a memoir or something, they were just like going
Speaker 1: crazy with them. The Cowboys need to clean it up,
Speaker 1: I mean because I and I'm thinking about it. Like
Speaker 1: Zach Martin twice in the season opener, remember uncharacteristic on
Speaker 1: his part Lyle had one in Washington. I believe Connor
Speaker 1: had one that negated a big play against the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: Tavon had a huge one against the Packers. I know
Speaker 1: he's called for one, the one where they it was
Speaker 1: a home game, because I remember that the camera just
Speaker 1: showed say, yeah, that's right, that might have been said,
Speaker 1: that's inaccurate. That might have been the Giants too. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember point being, they've done it a few two times,
Speaker 1: two times too many. It would be nice if they
Speaker 1: could clean that up. All right, let's move on. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about the defense. I didn't get a chance yesterday
Speaker 1: to talk about DeMarcus Lawrence. You look at the statuet
Speaker 1: after the game. He had one tackle, and I think
Speaker 1: people forget about the one play which I thought was
Speaker 1: a phenomenal play. He probably should have been credited with
Speaker 1: something I don't know whatever that it was just a
Speaker 1: phenomenal play. But that play where Rogers ends up with
Speaker 1: an incomplete pass. But it was Tyring that made that play.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, not tired. It was a DeMarcus that made
Speaker 1: that play. What do you guys to think about him?
Speaker 1: And not only how he played in this game, but
Speaker 1: really going back to the last two games, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of criticism out there right now about DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: and him getting the big contract and now, according to
Speaker 1: many people, fans out there saying that he's not necessarily
Speaker 1: living up to that contract. What are your thoughts? You know,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't agree with it because you gotta
Speaker 1: remember DeMarcus um sort of like Byron Jones in the
Speaker 1: sense of like, if you really watch the game and
Speaker 1: study it and don't just look at stats, you'll see
Speaker 1: what he's really doing. And but unfortunately, and I don't
Speaker 1: I don't like to call out the fans, especially the
Speaker 1: ones that are listening. These are are die hard fans.
Speaker 1: But you gotta be above that. You gotta be better
Speaker 1: than that. He's made the Pro Bowl the last two years.
Speaker 1: The first year he had a lot of sacks. Second year,
Speaker 1: what do you have? Last year? Like ten maybe ten
Speaker 1: and a half half. I mean he was there was
Speaker 1: a lot more players in the league that had more sacks.
Speaker 1: But they're seeing what a complete player that he is.
Speaker 1: And yeah, they didn't play well in this last game,
Speaker 1: but you know, they played really well the game before.
Speaker 1: But it's like it's like it doesn't matter so much,
Speaker 1: you know, as long as they're not winning. I think
Speaker 1: he's doing a good job. He was on pace for
Speaker 1: ten sacks before this last game. He could get a
Speaker 1: sack in this game and probably get back on that pace.
Speaker 1: I think he's playing fine, but not going to ever
Speaker 1: judge him by the numbers. He's more of a player
Speaker 1: than that. We've talked about that too, and he's been
Speaker 1: being double teamed, and it's it's an issue of we've
Speaker 1: said every player who gets a big contract, this is
Speaker 1: the criticism they have. Dak hasn't even signed a new
Speaker 1: contract and he's getting that after this week's game. So
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think it's DeMarcus is playing terribly.
Speaker 1: I think it's again which we've talked about too, the
Speaker 1: offensive line of defensive line. You can't just look at
Speaker 1: the stats. You have to look at the game and
Speaker 1: see what they're doing that isn't showing up in the numbers.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've I've been beating the drum defending him
Speaker 1: since the season started. I don't feel differently, although I
Speaker 1: mean just in general, like nobody you go watch the
Speaker 1: Saints game, you can see the effort held him out
Speaker 1: of the end zone, all that good stuff. I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody on the defense had like this commendable performance
Speaker 1: against the Packers, Like they were unsound against the run.
Speaker 1: They were, you know, out of alignment, didn't. I mean,
Speaker 1: they got they deserve credit for putting pressure on Rogers
Speaker 1: in my opinion, but they didn't keep him containing. Garrett
Speaker 1: said it yesterday, he got out of the well quote
Speaker 1: unquote way too often that, but go throw on the
Speaker 1: tape and like you can see what the Packers did.
Speaker 1: Like the tight ends are staying in with Lawrence. They're
Speaker 1: using receivers to kind of shoulder him and chip him
Speaker 1: as he's coming off the line. Like offenses are planning
Speaker 1: to stop this guy, like you can while you can
Speaker 1: see it. And it sucks because I can hear fans
Speaker 1: and to some degree I sort of sympathize or agree
Speaker 1: with him. Is like, you know, it's not like opposing
Speaker 1: offenses aren't doing that to Khalil Mack. And he still
Speaker 1: seems to be able to put his stamp on a game,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So he's a different level
Speaker 1: of dude. Yeah, well, I mean he he's not getting
Speaker 1: paid that much more than DeMarcus, I know, but he's
Speaker 1: still like he's better than everybody else. And you're right,
Speaker 1: but everybody, that's what fans want, and when you're losing games,
Speaker 1: that's what they're gonna say. They're probably entitled to say that.
Speaker 1: I mean, if DeMarcus Lawrence has got to put up
Speaker 1: with people saying he's not playing well enough, his gigantic
Speaker 1: paycheck is going to hit on Tuesday morning and he
Speaker 1: should be fine. I think he's played better than a
Speaker 1: lot of people want to give him credit for it.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody played that great of a game
Speaker 1: against the Packers. So I'm just kind of lukewarm on
Speaker 1: it right now. But I don't think there's some sort
Speaker 1: of problem with DeMarcus Lawrence. Definitely not. And like, who's
Speaker 1: doing who's saying this like it's just a general fan complaint.
Speaker 1: I mean, you see it on Twitter and fans are
Speaker 1: questioning it, And to be honest with you, I mean
Speaker 1: there's some radio shows that are questioning in and saying,
Speaker 1: you paid him all this money. It is what it is.
Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, this is no different
Speaker 1: than every single person that's played with the Cowboys has
Speaker 1: gotten a new contract. They are held in you said
Speaker 1: at the beginning of this show, they are held to
Speaker 1: a different standard once you make that money. There's a
Speaker 1: different standard that's attached to it because there's a different
Speaker 1: amount of money that's being paid. So I get it.
Speaker 1: The only point I'm making is and what the question
Speaker 1: I'm asking is is it really warranted? And everything I've
Speaker 1: seen suggests that he's playing really hard, and he certainly
Speaker 1: is still being disrupted. And that's the part that you
Speaker 1: pay for with DeMarcus Lawrence, especially in situations where teams
Speaker 1: are making a concerted effort to take him out of games.
Speaker 1: Canny still be disruptive and canny create opportunities for other people.
Speaker 1: And I think that's happening. Yeah, And I mean it
Speaker 1: goes all the way back to I mean, I remember
Speaker 1: when Dion One got five years, thirty five million, seventy year.
Speaker 1: I mean that was unheard of, you know, for a
Speaker 1: corner front page of the Sports Illustrated and you know
Speaker 1: he had three or four interceptions that year. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: like paying all this for this, But you know, they
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl and Larry Brown, who was a
Speaker 1: good average to good cornerback at best, had nine that
Speaker 1: year and was the MVP of the Super Bowl. I
Speaker 1: wonder why, you know, so, I mean it but it happens.
Speaker 1: Marion Barber, Terrence Newman, Miles Austin, Doug free, Tony Romo, Brandon,
Speaker 1: Carl Crawford. It didn't even get you get a deal
Speaker 1: that's above what people think you should get. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you're not performing at a level that they think is
Speaker 1: is commissary with that and then they're going to say
Speaker 1: that that's a problem. You can see, you can see
Speaker 1: the effect that you can see the spect that opponents
Speaker 1: are giving to him, and so that is plenty of
Speaker 1: a barometer for me. I think he's playing fine. I
Speaker 1: think I think he could be playing better. I think
Speaker 1: damn near everybody on the defense could be playing better.
Speaker 1: They have not hit their stride at all. And I'm
Speaker 1: no excuse, but I mean, you know I'm not doing
Speaker 1: the whole guys get paid too. But if you were
Speaker 1: to rank the tackles in the league, the tackle duo
Speaker 1: everyone thanks Tyrn and Lyle. I bet you the Packers
Speaker 1: have a better tackle duo in the league are very good. Batari.
Speaker 1: Actually I saw better. I believe I saw you know,
Speaker 1: I follow Packers beat writers. Bulaga has given up I think,
Speaker 1: no sacks and he's played he's gone against the Neil Hunter,
Speaker 1: de Marcus Lawrence, Khalil mac flip flops. But he's played
Speaker 1: against him some too, like he's played a murderers row
Speaker 1: these first five weeks and has been outstanding. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think DeMarcus Lawrence, just like everybody else on the defense,
Speaker 1: could be playing better. I don't think there's some sort
Speaker 1: of problem or you know, he's not living up to
Speaker 1: his contract. Go out this week, get zero sacks, don't
Speaker 1: not play well against the Jets. If this, we'll sit
Speaker 1: here on Monday. Now we'll talk about some problems. If
Speaker 1: it hit doubt. It doesn't have to be d law,
Speaker 1: but like, if they cannot generate some pressure in this game,
Speaker 1: then something's wrong. Because they've given up fifteen in the
Speaker 1: last two. I'm glad to see Dorrence Armstrong kind of
Speaker 1: step up there, not just the sack, he had some
Speaker 1: other nice plays in there too. Because of the first
Speaker 1: few weeks of the season, I was kind of like,
Speaker 1: I mean, why are you sitting down Taco, you know,
Speaker 1: for this guy. I mean, he's not like that much better,
Speaker 1: but he's starting to pick it up a little bit hider.
Speaker 1: Those guys rotate, I mean, that's what's weird about it.
Speaker 1: We talked about this in the press box. Rod's not
Speaker 1: afraid to rotate equally. But it's like, well they don't
Speaker 1: pay equally. Yeah, yeah, And and it hasn't That's another
Speaker 1: thing too. It hasn't gone lost among fans either. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: it's third down, what's Carrie Hyder and Darrence Armstrong doing
Speaker 1: in there. I don't have an awesome answer for it,
Speaker 1: other than the defensive coordinator likes to rotate his defensive front.
Speaker 1: That's all. That's all I got for you. Like, that's
Speaker 1: that's all we know. Right all right, let's like our
Speaker 1: final break when we come back, we got to talk
Speaker 1: about special teams. There are a couple of guys on
Speaker 1: special teams this last week that I don't know if
Speaker 1: they brought us reason to be able to talk about
Speaker 1: them on this show. So we're gonna talk about them.
Speaker 1: We'll do that right that when we come right back.
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Speaker 1: and oh over there works for the Niners. Oh does he?
Speaker 1: I thought he was still working in finances financial. No,
Speaker 1: he works for the Niners. Catch Tael. They're really good.
Speaker 1: They are really good. Which'll think about that last. They're good.
Speaker 1: There's two or three teams every year that are way
Speaker 1: better than you thought. And there's two or three teams
Speaker 1: and this is an every conference that are not as
Speaker 1: good as you thought. And I think the Niners are
Speaker 1: in that group. I hope the Cowboys are not in
Speaker 1: the other one, because they might be. Yeah, you still
Speaker 1: know at this point. The Yeah, there's all because the
Speaker 1: schedule and all that stuff. You get a chance, and
Speaker 1: the Niners look like they're going to be pretty good.
Speaker 1: The Bucks might be a team that you know, or
Speaker 1: the Lions. What do the Lions do last week? They off?
Speaker 1: Think they were? Oh yeah they were off. I had
Speaker 1: a good new kickers, right, um, nice sege they might
Speaker 1: be good. What talking about kickers and getting new kickers?
Speaker 1: Talk to me about the Cowboys kicker? Yeah, Brett Maher
Speaker 1: he he went one of three in this last game.
Speaker 1: He missed a fifty four yard or missed a thirty
Speaker 1: three yard or made a thirty six yard or do
Speaker 1: you guys think the Cowboys need to be looking? Yes,
Speaker 1: they should be lucky. Should they make a move there?
Speaker 1: Looking depends on who's out there there you go that honestly, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced. I'm not trying to convince anybody they
Speaker 1: should feel comfortable with Brett Maher. But like I spent
Speaker 1: the break looking at the whole break, No, not a
Speaker 1: commercial break, not the show. I like looking at who's available,
Speaker 1: and I mean it doesn't inspire a lot of confidence. Uh.
Speaker 1: Cody Parkey j signed, He just signed like the double
Speaker 1: joint guy. Yeah, the double joint guy that was like
Speaker 1: the villain of the NFL playoffs. Yeah, it's so bad
Speaker 1: around the league that he just got signed. But I
Speaker 1: don't understand kicking. Blair Walsh who missed like an extra
Speaker 1: point length kick in the playoffs a few years ago.
Speaker 1: He's out there, uh kai for bath. I think he's
Speaker 1: trying out or he tried out with the Titans. But like,
Speaker 1: he's probably the most experienced NFL kicker who's available right now.
Speaker 1: Maybe you can explain this to me, Dave. Maybe Danny,
Speaker 1: I don't know how much you know. I know, Dave
Speaker 1: love soccer. Explain to me how soccer is the most
Speaker 1: popular sport in the world. Almost every country has players
Speaker 1: that play it. They're countries that are that have players
Speaker 1: that play it extremely well. Yet the NFL can't come
Speaker 1: up with thirty two good kickers in the NFL, Like,
Speaker 1: what's the problem. Are they not tapping into those? So
Speaker 1: I would assume there are guys that finished playing soccer
Speaker 1: that have great legs that can really kick the ball,
Speaker 1: that all you gotta do is just teach them. The
Speaker 1: difference between teaching kicking a football versus soccer ball, But
Speaker 1: I would assume that it's the same similar principles, right,
Speaker 1: I'm saying something some of the ones that are done,
Speaker 1: like some of the ones that are reaching towards the
Speaker 1: end of their soccer career people who I mean, it's
Speaker 1: different than the NFL. But in college soccer players don't
Speaker 1: play football and went to college and just yeah, right,
Speaker 1: I just don't understand why there aren't more kickers. What
Speaker 1: it's one thing for quarterback that is a unique skill, right,
Speaker 1: but there's tons It seems like there are tons of
Speaker 1: soccer players in the world. Why is there not somebody
Speaker 1: that's said, you know, I'm going to create an academy
Speaker 1: to turn soccer players into the NFL kickers to make
Speaker 1: a ton of money. Carley Lloyd. Yeah, I don't have
Speaker 1: a great answer for you. I know, honestly, what's funny
Speaker 1: is like Australian rules football is revolutionizing the punting game
Speaker 1: in American football, like half of it seems like half
Speaker 1: the good punters and college and occasionally pro football or
Speaker 1: Australian guys. Yeah. Other than that, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: because if you're good at soccer, then it's way more
Speaker 1: lucrative to pursue that, like, I mean, I'm talking about
Speaker 1: Europeans and stuff like that, and then I don't know,
Speaker 1: I yeah, I just want to I wonder if even
Speaker 1: the put me on the spot. No, And I honestly
Speaker 1: it was more of a it's probably a rhetorical question
Speaker 1: to some degree, but I know how much you lost.
Speaker 1: I was actually hoping that you're going to say, Hey,
Speaker 1: it's such a difference between kicking it definitely? Is it? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: It just is not translatable. Absolutely? Is it all those
Speaker 1: people tacking? Yeah, I mean there's the other people trying
Speaker 1: to kill you. There's the difference in weight and shape
Speaker 1: of the ball for that, like soccer balls or but
Speaker 1: a strong leg right, and that seems to be that
Speaker 1: seems to be the first completely different mechanic too, is it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's all different. I mean, even with a freak
Speaker 1: like if you're doing I will say, and in my
Speaker 1: elementary understanding of both sports, I think somebody who's talented
Speaker 1: enough to kick a soccer ball across like full field
Speaker 1: length should be able to work on it for a
Speaker 1: couple of years and be pretty good at kicking fields.
Speaker 1: And that's my point. But I don't know, and I
Speaker 1: would think that I would think that I'm not even
Speaker 1: talking about your best players. I'm talking about the average
Speaker 1: player that plays MLS soccer in the US. Could he
Speaker 1: not in a year or two develop into a really
Speaker 1: good NFL kicker with it really strong leg? Probably? But why?
Speaker 1: Because MLS guys don't make near the money that NFL
Speaker 1: players do. Probably have more job security being a solid
Speaker 1: player for an MLS team than a kicker for an
Speaker 1: NFL team. Yeah, I don't know what a guy it
Speaker 1: makes for them. It depends quakes, it's the team, It's yes,
Speaker 1: it's all. It's yeah. Both of those are teams. Sounders
Speaker 1: are in Seattle. It's this is such a y'all are
Speaker 1: so patronizing. Yeah, no, they're both teams. I want to
Speaker 1: know they're. The spectrum of salaries in the MLS ranges
Speaker 1: wildly depending on a lot of different factors, but some
Speaker 1: of a lot of their players are paid quite nicely.
Speaker 1: And that's my point though, is not talking about the
Speaker 1: really great ones, talking about the ones that don't make
Speaker 1: a ton of money. I would think they have that
Speaker 1: kind of strong leg. But the point is, it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem to know like there are enough kickers to go
Speaker 1: around here. And so if you're gonna get rid of
Speaker 1: maher who you're going to bring something? They don't get
Speaker 1: Kobe Jones here, Like what are they what are they
Speaker 1: gonna go do? Like I think? And Jerry said it
Speaker 1: on his radio show today on one five three the
Speaker 1: fan that basically said, just score touchdowns. Yeah, hey, that's
Speaker 1: what the analytics people would prefer you to do. I mean,
Speaker 1: he said that his post game two he said, we
Speaker 1: we can't just say this game came down to field goals.
Speaker 1: We weren't scoring touchdowns. Here's the issue I have though,
Speaker 1: what's an extra point? Thirty four yards? The longest field
Speaker 1: goal he's made is thirty six, No, and that's I
Speaker 1: mean the well wow, really yeah, I guess this year
Speaker 1: he hasn't made it. He's four missed fifty four this week,
Speaker 1: mister fifty four, he's missed a fifty two. And then
Speaker 1: what it was last year, Well, the last year was
Speaker 1: six of seven fifty yards or more. If you promised
Speaker 1: me he was just automatic from inside of like forty
Speaker 1: that would be a start, you know. And that's the
Speaker 1: thing that makes it troubling is like it's playing out
Speaker 1: exactly how we saw it like he struggled from up
Speaker 1: close all through training camp, and and it seems to
Speaker 1: be carrying over. Here's the real issue that I have
Speaker 1: with with Maher Because most kickers, the great ones, they've said,
Speaker 1: just put the thirty five minutes, put it down, the laces,
Speaker 1: I'll kick the laces, I'll whatever, just to put it down.
Speaker 1: The problem with him is that we all know that
Speaker 1: he kicks better from one side or the other. And
Speaker 1: he definitely knows because on extra points, if you notice,
Speaker 1: he's on the left hash for extra points because everything
Speaker 1: goes right well, third down Dakness is a throw. Sorry,
Speaker 1: it's on the right hash. We need you to make
Speaker 1: this kick, and what does it do? It goes to
Speaker 1: the right. He knows it. Everyone knows it. So the
Speaker 1: fact that he can't kick the ball exactly where he
Speaker 1: wants to, even in the thirty three yard ors, that's
Speaker 1: a problem for me because it's a problem for him.
Speaker 1: I will say this at the risk of sounding like
Speaker 1: I'm carrying water for the coaching staff. I think they
Speaker 1: are doing the only smart thing they can do right now,
Speaker 1: because kicking is so mental, right, I mean, it's such
Speaker 1: a mental thing. It's so really the only thing you
Speaker 1: can do is just keep saying we believe in him,
Speaker 1: we believe in him, we have confidence, like we don't
Speaker 1: doubt you, and hopefully it carries over one day to
Speaker 1: make a change. Hopefully, Yeah, and exactly like, but there's
Speaker 1: no sense in throwing him under the bus and completely
Speaker 1: killing whatever confidence he has, So just speak it into existence,
Speaker 1: I guess. And obviously if it keeps being a problem,
Speaker 1: they'll be forced to do something. I mean, if he
Speaker 1: misses a kick or kicks plural in this next game,
Speaker 1: then I don't think you have a choice but to
Speaker 1: bring somebody in here. But for the time being, like
Speaker 1: we look at the list, like there's no definitively better option,
Speaker 1: you might as well just try your best to back
Speaker 1: your guy while it still makes sense to do so.
Speaker 1: Would you, guys, take a shot on a guy like
Speaker 1: Blair Walsh that once was a really great kicker and
Speaker 1: just kind of mentally fell off the map. Do you
Speaker 1: think he's done or you think And sometimes in those
Speaker 1: kind of instances, you bring a guy in different scenery
Speaker 1: maybe gets it bad. Happens all the time with kickers,
Speaker 1: where like a guy who struggles gets a change of
Speaker 1: scenery and plays better turning it around a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had a nice game. I'm a homer. But LSU
Speaker 1: had a great kicker last year named Cole Tracy. He
Speaker 1: made he made half a dozen big kicks for us,
Speaker 1: and like nobody in the NFL has ever given him
Speaker 1: a chance. I saw he's in the XFL draft. Something
Speaker 1: about his approach or the way the ball comes off
Speaker 1: his foot, Like NFL teams are just like, no, you're
Speaker 1: not good enough for this league, which seems crazy to me.
Speaker 1: Like I would, at least I would at least take
Speaker 1: a look at him. Like he was clutch as hell
Speaker 1: in college. So I just don't understand enough about kicking
Speaker 1: to be able to get to the bottom of that.
Speaker 1: But if they keep if he keeps missing kicks, they're
Speaker 1: not going to have a choice but to look around.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, appreciate you. Johnis. We'll be back tomorrow
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