1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Today on the bright side. No gatekeeping here. We're talking 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: everything you've ever wanted to know about acne with esthetician 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: Sophie p have It. You'll hear about where it comes from, 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: why it affects us well past our teenage years, and 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: how to love our skin in every decade. 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: You've got to live your life too, otherwise you're going 7 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 2: to become that person who comes to the studio and 8 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 2: I've tried everything, it's not going to work. Got to 9 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 2: have your life as well. You know. 10 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: I'm simone voice and this is the bright side from 11 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine, Welcome back to the bride side. I'm going 12 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: to start us off with a little confession here. There 13 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: are a lot of things I expected about my thirties, 14 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: maybe more wrinkles, a few gray hairs, but I never 15 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: expected to still be dealing with acne. I'm well into 16 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: my thirties and I am still navigating these crazy hormonal 17 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: breakouts literally just this week. Well turns out the idea 18 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: that acne is just a teenage problem is a myth, because, 19 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: according to Yale Medicine, twenty five percent of women and 20 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: twelve percent of men in their forties still report dealing 21 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: with acne. Which brings me to today's guest, Sophie Pavitt, 22 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: because if anyone can help us make sense of this statistic, 23 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: it's her. She is the creator and owner of Sophie 24 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: Pavit Face. It's a skincare line and facial studio in 25 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: Manhattan specializes in acne. Today, Sophie's opening up about her 26 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: own skincare journey. She's sharing how she treats and cares 27 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: for clients like Zendea and Lord, and ultimately how to 28 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: feel good in the skin you're in. Also, if you 29 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: take away one thing from today's episode, it's that you 30 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 1: gotta pick up her Omega rich moisturizer. I've never felt 31 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: anything quite like that one. All right, this is a 32 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: no gatekeeping zone, so let's get into it. Sophie Pavitt, 33 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to the bright Side. 34 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. 35 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: I am so happy you are here. I consider myself 36 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: an acne survivor. I've survived. You know. It's sometimes rears, 37 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: its ugly head, hormonal acne. I deal with that every 38 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: now and then, but gosh, it has been such a 39 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: journey for me personally with my skin. And that is 40 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: exactly what you do here in New York City because 41 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: you have been donned the acne Whisperer of New York. Yeah, 42 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: you have your Sophie Pavit face skincare lines, right, and 43 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: you also have a private practice where you see patients. 44 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,839 Speaker 1: And everyone assumes that acne is something that only young 45 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: people deal with, but you actually see a lot of 46 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: clients who are well over the age of twenty five. Absolutely, 47 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 1: and that's been my experience too, is dealing with adult acne. 48 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: So what is the reality that you're seeing in your studio? 49 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, the first of all, the demographic of the 50 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: studio is twenty five on woods like it always has been. 51 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: It's not a teenage problem for us at the studio. 52 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 2: It obviously is a teenage problem. But what we find 53 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 2: within in our client demographic is that they're dealing with 54 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: adult onset acne for the very first time. And what 55 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: happens is usually if people are experiencing breakouts in their 56 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: late twenties thirty thirties, there's a hormonal element to it 57 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 2: that we're not really tied into as a teenager because 58 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: there's a number of reasons why. First of all, our 59 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: bodies change. But the second problem is is that we're 60 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: all put on birth control really early to mitigate acne 61 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 2: in our teenage yeers, and then when you come off 62 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 2: the birth control, that's when you really see this hormonal 63 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: shift and you see the pattern in the skin too. 64 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of different things that happen, and 65 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 2: people get married, they have kids, they go through perimenopause, 66 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 2: they go through really stressful periods of time in their life, 67 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: and all these things can affect breakouts. So it's kind 68 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: of like playing a little bit of a detective as 69 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: well with my clients. It's super, super common. I want 70 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 2: to say it affects forty percent of the population. 71 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: Why do you think it is that we grow up 72 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: believing that we're never going to deal with acne as 73 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: adults Because I was completely blindsided by it when I 74 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: was about twenty years old. That's when it really started 75 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: to take hold for me. 76 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 2: I think to even answer that question, we have to 77 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: go back to why we break here in the first place. 78 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 2: And there's like a very quick analogy that I like 79 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: to talk to about this with people when I first 80 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 2: meet them, because I think there's a lot of confusion 81 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 2: around it too. You are genetically predisposed to acne, Like 82 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 2: forty percent of people in the world have a faster 83 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: cell turnover than somebody who isn't predisposed to acne. And 84 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 2: that won't break you out, but it sets the wheels 85 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: in motion for things to go wrong. And so sixty 86 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: percent of everybody sheds at one rate and forty percent 87 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 2: shed at a faster rate. And so what it means 88 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 2: is that you get a lot of dead cell build up, 89 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: and it means that you might get it on the 90 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,679 Speaker 2: surface of the skin, it might be in the pores. 91 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 2: Those skin cells get sticky and stick to the sides 92 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 2: of the pores, and that won't break you out, but 93 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: it sets the wheels in motion for things to go wrong. 94 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: And so when I talk about it, there's like a 95 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: three chain event that I talk about, which is number 96 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 2: one is the over shedding of skin cells or skin 97 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 2: cell i'll build up. If you're thinking about like a 98 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 2: science experiment, that's you're consistent, that's like what will always happen, 99 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: even when you're eighty years old. Your skin will work 100 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 2: like that. The two other things which we feel variables 101 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: are oil production and bacteria levels. And first of all, 102 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: oil production is more of an environmental thing You can 103 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: be affected with your hormones, which increases oil production. It 104 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 2: can also be increased by the foods you eat, your 105 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: stress levels where you live, whether it's some of versus winter, 106 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: you know, your skin can get oilier in a much 107 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 2: more environmental way. It's also a little bit like hormonal. 108 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 2: And then you have bacteria levels. See acnes. Bacteria is 109 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 2: the bacteria that is responsible for this inflammation and these 110 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: like bacterial breakouts. The thing is is it lives in 111 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 2: everyone's microbiome on the skin. It's there and it's usually 112 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: quite happy. The only reason it gets out of hand 113 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 2: is if it has a food source, and that dads 114 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 2: skin and oil is his favorite thing to eat. So 115 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 2: when I talk about how we clear acne, we're never 116 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: going to cure that overshadding. That's how your skin works. 117 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 2: But what we're going to do is to be able 118 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: to help you maintain those results by making sure that 119 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 2: your skin is exfoliated correctly, your oil has somewhere to go, 120 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: the poor is clear, and then that bacteria doesn't have 121 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: a food source. So it sounds really simplistic, it's not, 122 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 2: but that's kind of my philosophy. Instead of going and 123 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: getting on these like low dose antibiotics or birth control 124 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 2: or you know, testosterone reducing things like spiralalactine or the 125 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 2: big one, acutaine. Those things work. I'm not ever saying 126 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 2: they don't period like there's literal data around it, but 127 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: there is an easier and softer way to maintain it 128 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 2: without medication. 129 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: And a lot of those treatments are often band aids. 130 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: I've done every single one of those. 131 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: Band aid is the exact way to describe it. It 132 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 2: will fix it temporarily. 133 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: Okay, this is so good. I love the way that 134 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: you're breaking all this down. I want to go even deeper. 135 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: There are different kinds of acne. There's cystic acne. There 136 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 1: are closed commodonts which I do with which are so 137 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: hard to get rid of that pebbly texture. Oh, I 138 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: just want that smooth texture. Can you walk us through 139 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: a few of the most common categories of acne that 140 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: you see day to day? 141 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 2: But it's kind of like torn about skin types right 142 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 2: where you're like, oh you dry oily cambo, Like you 143 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: can talk about acne in the same way. 144 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 145 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 2: So the three big ones are inflamed, non inflamed subtype 146 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: two roseata. Those are the big ones. Oh, so inflamed 147 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: would go under hormonal, cystic, painful, heart to the touch 148 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 2: stuff would lead under that like inflamed category. So every 149 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: time you have something red, raised, angry, something which looks 150 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 2: like a pustual, that would be considered an inflamed breakout. 151 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: Then you have non inflame. Non inflamed is the pebbly 152 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: texture you're talking about where you can spread the skin 153 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 2: flat and you kind of see those bumps. It doesn't 154 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 2: feel like a breakout. It's not painful, but you feel 155 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 2: that congestion under the skin. That's what we would consider 156 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 2: non inflamed. And then, last but not least, you have 157 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: subtype two roseatia. Subtype two roseatia is a type of roseatia, 158 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 2: but it's actually a type of acting it's bacterial, so 159 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 2: it's got like a raised kind of paplo pustular kind 160 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 2: of feeling to it, but it's usually under the eyes, 161 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: under the cheeks, around the nose. 162 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: What is one thing that you wish everyone knew about 163 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: treating acne? 164 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: There's not going to be overnight. I can usually tell 165 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: within five minutes whether I'm going to have success clearing 166 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 2: someone just from attitude alone. And I know that sounds 167 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 2: like so crazy, but I can tell whether they're going 168 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: to be compliant with the protocol five to ten minutes, 169 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 2: because here's the thing, there's two things to really consider 170 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 2: when I say that, And I don't mean it in 171 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 2: like a I can tell it's more like empathizing with 172 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 2: someone because a lot of people make acne their whole 173 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 2: identity and they don't want to fix it. And that 174 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 2: sounds crazy to say, but like, there's a lot of 175 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 2: anxiety around skin, and it's a mental game. You know. 176 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: It sucks to be not to feel out of control 177 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 2: with your skin, and you can be doing all the 178 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 2: things and try everything and kind of educate yourself almost 179 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 2: into a corner with it. And so when they come 180 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 2: to see me, I'm almost like, Okay, you've got this 181 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: cup of information. I need you to empty everything you 182 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 2: know about this and start fresh. And that is a 183 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 2: hard thing for some people to accept, you know, but 184 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 2: I treat it in a very different way to say 185 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: a dermatologist. I work for a dermatologist, so I know 186 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 2: the way that it can be helped with medication, but 187 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 2: we go in a softer way. 188 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: So what would you say, is like the Sophie Pavot 189 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 1: secret sauce. 190 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Well, I'm going to get ripped apart 191 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 2: for this, and I'm ready for it because it's funny. 192 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 2: Tratoin is not for inflamed acne, and this causes a 193 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 2: lot of distress on the Internet when I talk about it. 194 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: And can you just explain what tretonoen is. 195 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: Tretoin is the most top of the pyramid delivery system 196 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,359 Speaker 2: for a ratinoid. It's the gold standard of ratinoid products 197 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 2: the RX. They're vitamin A derived and their whole objective 198 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 2: is to increase your cell turnover. If you have acne 199 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 2: and your cell turnover is already fast, what does that do. 200 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 2: It's like throwing gas on a barbecue, and so when 201 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 2: you have inflammation, speeding up that cell turnover is not it? Not? 202 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 2: At first, I believe that tract knowing can be really 203 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 2: helpful with acne, but I like to get the fire 204 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 2: down before adding it in. So on inflame people, the 205 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: first thing I do is take them off their trot knowing, 206 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: and I slowly introduce gentle exfoliators benzyl peroxide, which I 207 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: think is still a really great acne ingredient, and we 208 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 2: calm the skin down with that and then we maintain 209 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 2: the cell turnover with a ratanal later on. Okay, not 210 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: inflamed acne, sorry to interrupt you, is like really well 211 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: received with trot knowing because you have a lot of 212 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 2: build up, so adding that in your skin's not as 213 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 2: inflamed and sensitized. So you can add a trat knowing 214 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: in along with some other exfoliators and get a really 215 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 2: great result. So it's so bioindividual. I find the most 216 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 2: success with my clients when they're really inflamed is to 217 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: take them off they try and knowing. 218 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: Okay, so you kind of gave us a protocol for 219 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: what you would do if a client comes in with 220 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: inflamed skin. What about for non inflamed acne. What's the 221 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: first thing that you would suggest someone do. 222 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: Well. What's interesting is that a lot of people with 223 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 2: non inflamed usually also have some inflamed yes. So it's 224 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 2: kind of like this like protocol that I follow where 225 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 2: I will calm the skin down first, put in an 226 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: exfol leader and we'll talk about mandelic acid in a moment, 227 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 2: and then benyal peroxide. That for me in like a 228 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 2: very simple non commutogenetic routine is great. Once that inflammation 229 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 2: has gone down, then we slowly add a little like 230 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 2: ramp up, you know. Then we add in the retinal 231 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 2: that increases cell turnover to counterbalance that cell turnover. We're 232 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 2: then going to add a little bit more of a 233 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: powerful exfoliader. Maybe we'd add in a scrub. Maybe it's 234 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 2: one two times a week. You get like a little 235 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 2: magnesium in flakes grube going on along with that gentle, 236 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: low and slow mandelic acid situation. That that, to me 237 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 2: is the perfect non inflamed acne protocol. Noncomediogenic ingredients is 238 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 2: so important for non inflamed anything will clog your skin 239 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 2: if you're prone to it, You've got to just avoid 240 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 2: them like the plague. And I see really great results 241 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 2: that you should take a fish oil supplement. 242 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: To Oh, okay, tell me about fish oil. Why should 243 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: I add it in? 244 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 2: I find and again this is something that people will go, 245 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 2: oh gosh. Now, vegans, people who are plant based have 246 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 2: no fat oil in their diet, and as a result, 247 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: they can get really waxy and their seabum is almost hard. 248 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 2: It's like a crayon. Ye, you can feel it under 249 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 2: the skin. I can tell if someone's vegan in the 250 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 2: first moment I touched their face. 251 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 1: Wow, amazing. I want to bring you to a party 252 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: and just have you touch everyone's faces not vegan, ca herbivore. 253 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 2: And again like that that is controversial because people are like, 254 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 2: I have perfect skin. I'm like, yeah, you probably have 255 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 2: your like fat and oil ratio great, but like it's 256 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 2: really hard to get those plant based fats and oils 257 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 2: in your diet and your plant forward you need fats 258 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 2: and oils, so adding and fish oil can be really beneficial, 259 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 2: really helps soften your seabum. It also brings that information. 260 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: Sugar is a big one hug. There's some debate around 261 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: that too. But what are your thoughts on sugar and 262 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: whether it causes acne. 263 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 2: Well, sugar creates an insulin response, and that insulin response 264 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 2: increases your oil production. And it's that three chain effect. 265 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 2: If you've got that sticky plug there from all that 266 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: dead cell build up and then you get this massive 267 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 2: ramp up in oil production, you've caused a perfect storm. 268 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 2: You are going to get a breakout. You know, combining 269 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 2: your sugar with fat or protein or fiber is really 270 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 2: a great way to offset that blood sugar spike. So 271 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: it's about food balancing. I'm always saying to people, Look, 272 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: I don't I'm not going to tell you to like 273 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 2: give up a dessert. Like if you want to eat 274 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 2: something sweet every day, great, you've got to do it. 275 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: But make sure you're food combining, make sure that you're 276 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 2: like really balancing your meals, and it will help. It 277 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 2: will really help. 278 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: What about alcohol and wine, because there's this phenomenon that 279 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: happens to me whenever I go to France, I drink 280 00:13:58,240 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: more wine there. I don't drink a lot of wine 281 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: at home, and then I break out after drinking a 282 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: lot of wine. What is sugar? Is that? What it is? 283 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: Thank you you could sugar. 284 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 2: It's delicious and you should drink wine in front. 285 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's going right. 286 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 2: It's like you have to you You've got to live 287 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 2: your life too, otherwise you're going to become that person 288 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 2: who comes to the studio and I've tried everything, I'm 289 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 2: not going to it's not gonna work. Yeah, you've got 290 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 2: to have your life as well. 291 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: You know, We've got to take a short break, but 292 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: we'll be right back with Sophie Pavit and we're back 293 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: with Sophie Pavitt. I want to go back to a 294 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: word that you dropped a few moments ago, and that 295 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: was simple simplicity. And for me, that was such a 296 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: huge turning point in my own skin journey. Was just 297 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: simplifying my routine because I would have these inflamed acne breakouts, 298 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: and I think because of the panic and the mental 299 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: and emotional toll that happens, you start scrambling and trying 300 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: new things and trying whatever you can, and that only 301 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: aggravates it and makes it worse. Why is simplicity so effective? 302 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 2: You know? I think people forget it takes around twelve 303 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 2: to sixteen weeks to see a marked improvement using a 304 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: correct skincare because and progress is not linear. So what 305 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: happens is is that someone will get on a really basic, 306 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 2: really easy to use skincare protocol four weeks in their 307 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 2: skin looks amazing. They're like, oh my gosh, I can't 308 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 2: believe my acne's gone. You're a genius. Thanks so much. 309 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 2: And then six weeks later or like two weeks after that, 310 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 2: they'll go I'm having a crazy breakout and I'm like, well, 311 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 2: what's happened? And they've been like, well I tried a 312 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 2: new foundation. Oh I put it in a spark cream, 313 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, we're not there yet, because that 314 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 2: microcomodome that can become a breakout starts. It takes around 315 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 2: twelve weeks to get to the surface. And again, I 316 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: own a skincare brand. I'm in like these retail surroundings 317 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 2: where I know, like people are shopping ten step routines 318 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 2: all the time and then wondering why their skin is 319 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 2: freaking out. Simplicity is key when clearing acne, and I 320 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 2: always talk about it is like a skin diet. Once 321 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 2: you've got it clear and you're maintaining it, you know 322 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 2: that that's going to work. You can start then adding 323 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 2: in a thing or two, like have fun with stuff. 324 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: Skincare is meant to be fun, but if it breaks 325 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: you out, you know you can come back to your 326 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 2: skin diet, you know. So that's how I tell people 327 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 2: that you can have fun, but just make sure you 328 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 2: only incorporate one new thing in a time after a 329 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 2: period of time that you know your skin is maintaining. 330 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: I love the idea of a skin diet. Skin diet, 331 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: thank you for that. Would you break down what commutogenic 332 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: means versus non community. 333 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 2: So again something that people come for me about because 334 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: commutogenic ingredients make products feel good. So things like shay butter, 335 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 2: coconut parcichet, coconut lcanes, avocado oil, all these things give 336 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 2: slip and hydration and bounce and softness to products. They're 337 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 2: really good for your skin. But if you're acne prone, 338 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 2: avoiding communogenic ingredients speed up your results. They speed up 339 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 2: your skin clearing. It's like taking dessert out when you're 340 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: on a skin diet, you know. So they're not evil. 341 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: Formulation does have a difference, so for example, if you 342 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 2: have like eighty percent shay better or like zero point 343 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 2: one in a formulation, that's going to be different. But 344 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 2: I'm all about the path of leasse resistance with my clients. 345 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 2: I don't know if they know the difference between a 346 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 2: coconut oil and a coconut arcane. They're very different. So 347 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 2: for me, I'm like, you know what, let's just avoid everything, 348 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 2: Let's get you clear, and then you incorporate one thing 349 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 2: at a time. If it has a communogenic ingredient, we 350 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 2: can try it. We have on our website a poor 351 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 2: clogging an ingredients checker on all. 352 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 1: Of our packaging. 353 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 2: We have a QR code that you can go straight 354 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 2: to and you can copy and paste the ingredient list 355 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 2: of any product makeup, piccare, lip bomb, whatever, and it'll 356 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 2: tell you if there's something in there that potentially could 357 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 2: break you out. It's really helpful for people. 358 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: For anyone who's listening who might be struggling with acne, 359 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: use that poor clogging ingredient checker is huge. 360 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the first step before doing anything, just clear 361 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 2: out your commutogenics. 362 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: So do you have a simple skincare routine, the most simple? 363 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 1: What's in your So you don't have like a twelve 364 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: step ten step process. 365 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 2: I mean I do a lot of like procedures, so 366 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 2: we'll talk about that in a minute. But yeah, I 367 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 2: use my own skin care line. So the philosophy of 368 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 2: the Soviet Pavot face line is cleansed, treat, hydrate. It's 369 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 2: three steps. You cleanse your skin, to prep your skin 370 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 2: to receive your treatment. Your treatment is whatever you need 371 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 2: to address a skincare concern. So is it acne? Is 372 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,239 Speaker 2: it redness? Is it brightening? And you can follow this 373 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 2: any routine right like that one treat is like one product. 374 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 2: You don't need ten, you need one product. The third 375 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 2: step is hydrate. What moisturizer are you using? Are using 376 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,239 Speaker 2: the sunscreen that will protect the skin, which switches your 377 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 2: hydrate to protect It's just three steps. Three steps in 378 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 2: the morning, three steps in the evening. You can boost 379 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,959 Speaker 2: your routine with a mask every week, but following that 380 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 2: skin diet is really really helpful for people. So that's 381 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 2: what I do. 382 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: Why are you so passionate about skincare? 383 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 2: I can't describe to you the transformative the confidence shift 384 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 2: in clients when you can make them feel good about themselves. 385 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 2: My whole job is making people feel better about themselves, 386 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 2: and that is so addictive. I love that transformation that 387 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 2: I'm addicted to it, and you have to be deeply 388 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 2: addicted to this to make anything worthwhile. 389 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: You know, did you ever have problem skin like is a? 390 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: Is this personal for you? 391 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 2: It is personal. There's been two times in my life 392 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 2: where I've had monster breakouts. Number one was when I 393 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 2: moved back from Columbus, Ohio, which is my first ever job. 394 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 2: I designed underwear for Abercrombie and I went back to 395 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 2: London to work for a couple of years and I 396 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 2: moved back, and I think it was just like a 397 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: combination of everything. I changed my birth control, I moved 398 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 2: to London where the water is really hard, and I 399 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 2: was stressed. I didn't have a job, like I was 400 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 2: trying to figure out what I was going to do, 401 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 2: and my whole face erupted in breakout. Couldn't figure it out, 402 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 2: was using all the stuff. I just remember feeling really 403 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 2: hopeless about it. Yeah, and having lots of different information. 404 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 2: The dom would tell me one thing, my got necologists 405 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: tell me another, and I'd just be like, oh my god, 406 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 2: I just don't know how to fix this right. And 407 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 2: then when I was pregnant, so I've had two boys 408 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 2: boy moms, and when I was pregnant with my son's, 409 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 2: my skin was just terrible, like couldn't get it into control. 410 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 2: And that was even when I was I was a facialist, 411 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 2: so it took a long time to figure out. And 412 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 2: you know, again, you have to be kind of intuitive 413 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 2: with what your skin is feeling like too. My skin 414 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 2: was really sensitive when I was pregnant. Benzal peroxide, for example, 415 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 2: would give me a lot of irritation. I'd start using 416 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 2: it as a cleanser softening the ingredient to suit my sensitivity. 417 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 2: So it just took a little bit of back and 418 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 2: forth with that too. 419 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: What was the breakthrough for you with your skin? How 420 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: did you clear it up? 421 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 2: This protocol is seriously my favorite, the mandelic acid and 422 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 2: beds a peroxide combo. Again, we're going to talk about 423 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,719 Speaker 2: something inflammatory right now, which is salasilic acid. Everybody loves salasilic. 424 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 2: It's a monographed ingredient for acne care. There's only three 425 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 2: things that is monographed as OTC for acne. 426 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: What is monographed mean? 427 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 2: Monograph means that when you go to the drug store, 428 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 2: or you go to Sephora, or you go to Alta, 429 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 2: you go anywhere and buy an acne product. If it 430 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 2: says acne on the box, it has to have one 431 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 2: of these three ingredients. It's FDA regulated as a skin 432 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 2: concern Sulfur, benzal peroxide, salasilic. Salasilic is so drying. 433 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: And it's funny because. 434 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: It's a BHA which is not an aha AHAs. The 435 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 2: analogy is A for above, BHA b for below. Right, 436 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 2: it works in the purse. That's great if you're oily, 437 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,479 Speaker 2: and most of my clients with acne are not that oily. 438 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 2: They're pretty dry actually because they have this abundance of 439 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 2: sal turnover. So an AHA, in my opinion, works better 440 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 2: than a BH for acne. Again, I get ripped upon 441 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 2: on the internet because there's data around salasi it being effective. 442 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 2: It is effective, but not for everyone. 443 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: We've got to take a short break, but we'll be 444 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: right back with Sophie Pavit. And we're back with Sophie Pavit. Okay, Next, 445 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: I would love for you to walk us through kind 446 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: of the evolution of our skin as we age from 447 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: our twenties through our fifties, because our skin is constantly changing. 448 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: And I keep coming back to your why, like why 449 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: you do this? And that is for that moment of transformation, 450 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: that glow that you see on a client's face whenever 451 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: they've made that confidence shift. And I choose to believe 452 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: that that can happen at any point in our lives, 453 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: in any decade. So let's talk about the natural progression 454 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: of our skins life cycle. And let's start with our twenties. 455 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: So you're just past, you know, the teenage years, stepping 456 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 1: out into the real world. You've probably got stress partying, 457 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: different environments, hopefully travel you're seeing the world. What are 458 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 1: the things that people in their twenties should be thinking 459 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: about when it comes to treating their skin. 460 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 2: Your twenties is for prevention. Ah, think about your twenties. Like, 461 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 2: my skin was so good in my twenties. I had 462 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 2: no idea, you know, Like looking back, I'm like, damn, 463 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 2: skin looks so good. 464 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: It still looks good, but like. 465 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 2: It looked really good when I was in my twenties 466 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 2: and I'd smoke cigarettes, drink black coffee and go to 467 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 2: work on two hours of sleep. Yeah, and like you're 468 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 2: just like a baby in your twenties. Yeah, you have 469 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 2: to remember protection is everything. So use the sunscreen. You've 470 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 2: got to just be really like preventive in your twenties 471 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 2: because all that sun damage in your twenty shows up 472 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 2: in your thirties, right, Yeah, it's a timestam. It will 473 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 2: come to the surface. So use the sunscreen, don't smoke cigarettes, 474 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 2: and just hydrate. You don't want to go too crazy. 475 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,719 Speaker 2: If you have acne, that's a whole different story. But 476 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 2: like for somebody not dealing with it and you're just 477 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 2: looking to like have good skin, just make sure it's hydrated. 478 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 2: You clean, you take your makeup off for bed and 479 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 2: you use sunscreen. 480 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's talk about our thirties. Now, Yeah, there's 481 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: a lot of change that happens in your thirties. There's 482 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: a lot of change. You might be hustling with your 483 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: career accelerating, you know, in the workplace, you might be 484 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: getting married or in a relationship, or having babies. And 485 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: when you think about your own skin journey and those 486 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: problematic times, you know, when you're pregnant or in postpartum. 487 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: Is there anything that we can do to prepare our 488 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: skin for big life transitions like that. 489 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 2: Well, I think the biggest shift between my twenties and 490 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 2: my thirties for skin was that I got really dry, 491 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 2: Like my oil production just really dried up interesting, and 492 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 2: so I felt, oh my gosh, I could see fine 493 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 2: lines more and I had to ramp up my exfoliation 494 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 2: for example, to really help see that fresh cell turnover. 495 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 2: So that was a big thing for me late thirties. 496 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 2: You know, I started seeing the laxity and having kids. 497 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 2: I mean, you know what a transformational moment it is 498 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 2: for women to go through to have kids. I didn't 499 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 2: feel like my self until like maybe two years after 500 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 2: my second was born and I had two kids back 501 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 2: to back. Like you, so I didn't know my head 502 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 2: from my butt for like six years. 503 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was happening. 504 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 2: Oh my god. So and you change, you know, like 505 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 2: your skin gets dryer, there's a lot of molaxity. You know, 506 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 2: you've like got big and got small again. Like that 507 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 2: makes a very big difference. I'm a huge proponent of botox. 508 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 2: I've been using it since my early thirties. I think 509 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 2: it makes my skin look better, not just about fine 510 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 2: lines and wrinkles. It smooths my vizage. It like makes 511 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 2: my skin look smoother. You know. I know a lot 512 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 2: of people not into botox. That's okay too. It's about 513 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 2: what makes you feel good. 514 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: Well. That kind of brings me to our skin in 515 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: our forties. Yes, and there's a lot happening there too, 516 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: in terms of aging hormones by pery menopause. 517 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 2: Don't get me started. 518 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: I mean, what are the skin changes that we should 519 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: anticipate for perimenopause? 520 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 2: Even more dryness, like and this is where the fish 521 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 2: oil comes in, right. You want to like make sure 522 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 2: you have enough fats and oils in your diet of fiber. 523 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 2: Fiber is really helpful at mitigating excessive hormones in the gut. Again, 524 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 2: really hard to prove with studies and data, but there 525 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 2: is this theory that if you eat a lot of fiber, 526 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 2: fresh fruit, vegetables, whole grains, fiber supplements, that you wipe 527 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 2: away excessive hormones which are stored internally in the digestive system. 528 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 2: That can really help if you get a lot of 529 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 2: cystic acne. By the way, like if you have this 530 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 2: like really intense hormonal like freak out on your skin, 531 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 2: doing something like that can really really help. Remember that 532 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 2: raw carrot salad thing that everybody was going nuts for 533 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 2: over it was like your carrot salad, your carrot salad 534 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 2: for hormonal hand. There's like theory on that's the reality 535 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 2: is it's a fiber, non soluble fiber. It's good for you, definitely. 536 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 2: Laxity is another thing. You know, like you start seeing 537 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 2: like a softening of the jawline, you might find that 538 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 2: there's that nasolabial fold starts coming in. You might see 539 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 2: a hollowness under the eyes where the like the fat 540 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 2: pads from underneath the lash lines start moving down. Like 541 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 2: all these things happening. 542 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: Okay, let's round this out by talking about our fifties. 543 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: It feels like this is simultaneously an era where women 544 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: are becoming more comfortable in their own skin and their identity, 545 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 1: but also there are all these unexpected bodily changes with menopause. 546 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: What are the questions we should be asking ourselves about 547 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: our skin when we're in our fifties. 548 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 2: I always tell my older clients, and I say older, 549 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 2: like fifty is not old, but like the clients who 550 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,479 Speaker 2: are a little bit older than me, like, manage your 551 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 2: expectations with what you're going to get from skincare. It's 552 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 2: a three sixty approach. It's what you eat, it's how 553 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: you move your body, it's how much sleep you get. 554 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 2: It's what you're doing from a more advanced treatment. You know, 555 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 2: like if you're talking that you like have this like 556 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 2: sagging and you want to tiny up, babe, it's a facelift. 557 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 2: You know, Care's not going to do that, no, And 558 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 2: so I think managing your expectations about what each thing 559 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 2: does is really important as you get older. You know, 560 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 2: like there's that funny meme it's like you don't have 561 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 2: to be ugly, you just need to be rich and 562 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 2: it's so true. Like, I mean, we've seen these like 563 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 2: crazy facelifts you can get now, they're like wild. It's 564 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 2: making everyone's perception drift really weird because like, you know, 565 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 2: the Chris Jenners of the world who look thirty five 566 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 2: years old, it's amazing, But what does that make a 567 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 2: fifty five six year old feel about themselves? 568 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: It's weird. Yeah, where are you at with this conversation? 569 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: Because I feel torn into directions right now. I look 570 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: at someone like Chris Jenner, so I'm like, good for her, 571 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: She like seems so confident and pleased with the result, 572 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: and I could see myself doing that at that age. 573 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: And then at the same time, there's a part of 574 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: me that's a little bit heartsick over like the bad 575 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: Fellers we're seeing and how it's like mutilating women's right 576 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: faces and bodies. Are you wrestling with any of these things? 577 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. 578 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 2: I'm like very pro yes, Like, if you want to 579 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 2: do these things, go for it. If you have the 580 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 2: money to do it, awesome. Problem. I think for me, it's 581 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 2: it's really hard when I see someone who doesn't have 582 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 2: that or has the opportunity to do these things and 583 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 2: see like the frustration they get from it. 584 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: That's hard too. 585 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 2: Is it very dystopian for us to like consider that 586 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 2: that is like aging? Well, yes, it is. Like I 587 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 2: think it's a really hard conversation. Would I go and 588 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 2: get a facelift tomorrow and and like have a full 589 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 2: on body makeover? Yes? I would. 590 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't know. 591 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 2: I think I'm probably the wrong person to ask. 592 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: No, I think that's a really helpful perspective. Yeah. 593 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 2: I also just came back from Korea and I did 594 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 2: a whole bunch of stuff over there. 595 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: Okay, I need to hear all about that. But girl, 596 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: your fillers look so good. They look so seamless and 597 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: integrated and natural. 598 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 2: Natural is the key too, fillers. 599 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: And it's hard, but okay, tell me everything you did 600 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: in Korea. 601 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 2: Well, going back to Saul was like a full circle 602 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 2: moment for me because I used to go so much 603 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 2: for work in fashion. Yeah, and it would always be 604 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 2: stolen moments. I would like be in the factory all day. 605 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 2: I'd be like, I have a ten o'clock facial. I 606 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 2: gotta go to my facial at ten pm to like, 607 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 2: you know, get that in while I was still working, 608 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 2: or I'd go to like the twenty four hour spa 609 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 2: and get a scrub at like four am, you know, 610 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 2: all this crazy stuff. So going there with my team 611 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 2: to primarily work on beauty was like, I was emotional. 612 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 2: I was like, wow, Accompli airline. 613 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like a big deal. 614 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 2: So we're developing some products now and soul, which I'm 615 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 2: so excited about, but one of the big things there. 616 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I want to go and get 617 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 2: like a full day of treatments. So I did a 618 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 2: number of things. I did the resturant shots, the like 619 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 2: salmon sperm DLA. I've heard of this, not for the week. 620 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 2: It was pretty intense. It's a lot of shots. But 621 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 2: my skin looked like a baby's but it still does. 622 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 2: It was beyond crazy though. I would wash my face 623 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 2: and like wipe the cleanser off, and my skin would 624 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 2: feel oily, like it was so moisturized from the inside out. 625 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 2: It was in I'm always a dry girl, so like 626 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 2: to that, I was like, Wow, this is what feeling 627 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 2: oily is Like, It's so cool, I feel moisturized. 628 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: How long did those results last? 629 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 2: They lasted right four months for the restaurant. Really, yeah, 630 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 2: you got to keep doing it. 631 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and how painful was it? 632 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 2: It was Have you ever had botox before? 633 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: No? 634 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 2: Okay, so botox is like a little pinch, right, but 635 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 2: it's like death by a thousand cuts. You have like 636 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 2: eighty I stopped carunting at eighty shots, so I was like, whoa, 637 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 2: this is pretty intense. The shot also leaves like a 638 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 2: beasting rip bump, so I looked crazy. There's a really 639 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 2: funny article right now on the Wall Street Journal where 640 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 2: they interviewed me about it, and it's gone viral and 641 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 2: it's like this photo of me looking absolutely nuts. I 642 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 2: look like I'm in Avatar, you know, like with all 643 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 2: the bumps, and then the one of me like the 644 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 2: after it was worth it. I did ten therma, which 645 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 2: is a Korean version of thermash, which is collagen stimulated 646 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 2: tightening treatment. I did Lucas laser, which is a pigmentation laser, 647 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 2: and then I did some thread some underrye pdo threads too. 648 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: Wow. 649 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 2: So I was walking around with two black guys as well. 650 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 2: But the thing is in career, everybody's like that kind 651 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 2: of It's like everybody, Yeah, it's beauty tourism. It's like everywhere. 652 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 2: So I was like what I've a nobody kiss. 653 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: I cannot wait to go. I am so excited and 654 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: now thanks to you, we all have our list Atribility 655 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: to get well Sophia. I have learned so much from you, 656 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: and I just love meeting other people in life who 657 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: enjoy being students at any age. 658 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 2: Always I'm always learning, Yeah, so fun. 659 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: I never want to stop learning. So I want to 660 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: just end our conversation by asking you something that I 661 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: like to ask all of our guests, which is what 662 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: are you celebrating right now? 663 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 2: Just rolled out to all Doors and Sephora. That's such 664 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 2: a big celebration for us as a team. So I'm 665 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:46,479 Speaker 2: really thrilled about that. 666 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: How does it feel walking into a Sephora and saving 667 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: your products? 668 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 2: So out of body experience for me? I am a 669 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 2: Sephora girl. Like I I've always been the person to 670 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 2: be like, drop me off at Sephora, come back in 671 00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 2: three hours. I'll still be here and I'll be having 672 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 2: fun so to be in Like, we just did an 673 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 2: event in Soho in New York last Friday. That was 674 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 2: the first time of before I went to in like 675 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 2: the early two thousands with my parents and was like, 676 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 2: what is this place. This is so cool. There's nothing 677 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 2: like it in the UK, So yeah, it's it's a 678 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 2: massive thing for us and for me personally. 679 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes me emotional to talk about you visiting 680 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: this is crazy Spora I and seeing your name on shellf. 681 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so weird and we have this big billboard 682 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 2: up at the minute and it's yeah, it's just it's nuts. 683 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 2: I don't Yeah, I love it. 684 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: You go girl, it's Sophie Pabott is a licensed esthetician 685 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: and creator of the skincare line Sophie pavot Face. 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