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Speaker 1: Everybody welcome to move the Sticks presented by new Era

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Speaker 1: DJ and Bucky back together. Buck. How you doing, man? Man?

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Speaker 1: I am good. I am excited. They had the opportunity

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Speaker 1: hit that. You have conversations with three young players on

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Speaker 1: if I tell a story at the top of the

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Speaker 1: show here, Buck, before we get going, go ahead, tell

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Speaker 1: and tell the story. What you got? Storytime? Story time?

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Speaker 1: Little storytime? Yeah, let's do it all right, here's the deal.

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Speaker 1: So I do the Chargers radio games, you know, all

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna go this nice steakhouse. So all of

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Speaker 1: I'm looking to see it in Pittsburgh's Let's take advantage

427
00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,639
Speaker 1: of those skills. I think they will, no doubt. And

428
00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,680
Speaker 1: then a couple of guys for the forty Niners Uh

429
00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,600
Speaker 1: and Jalen Heard as well as Deebo Samuel some fun

430
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,879
Speaker 1: players to watch, Fun players, A way to watch UM

431
00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,280
Speaker 1: Jalen Heard. Uh was one of my favorites, and I

432
00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:39,120
Speaker 1: liked the creativity that Kyle Shanahan has in mind for him.

433
00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,320
Speaker 1: He just played wide receiver, but you know there's other

434
00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,800
Speaker 1: stuff that he wants to get to. Uh the touchdown

435
00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,719
Speaker 1: the first touchdown where he catches a crossing route on

436
00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,880
Speaker 1: a bootleg, breaks breaks the tackle going into the end zone.

437
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,639
Speaker 1: It is exactly what you want to see. Big body,

438
00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,200
Speaker 1: physical player, versatility is everything. Deebo Samuel. I think Deebo

439
00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,760
Speaker 1: Samuel right now is their number one receiver. Uh. They

440
00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,040
Speaker 1: put him out there. They threw a shot to him

441
00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,560
Speaker 1: down the field on a stuttered go move, and it

442
00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,560
Speaker 1: was just like watching the Senior Bowl all over. He

443
00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:10,080
Speaker 1: stutters in the separation that he created. It's enormous. I mean,

444
00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,439
Speaker 1: stop start boom separation. Makes a great play where he

445
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,320
Speaker 1: takes it off the guys helmet. Um then he runs

446
00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,879
Speaker 1: a reverse. Uh make some moves. Uh. These two guys

447
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,520
Speaker 1: are difference makers. And I know it's hard to count

448
00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,240
Speaker 1: on rookies to come in and be big time players,

449
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,640
Speaker 1: but man, they have added some juice to this offense

450
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,679
Speaker 1: with Jalen Heard and Deebo sayings. I think both of

451
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,880
Speaker 1: those guys are gonna be key contributors for the nine

452
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,879
Speaker 1: is going forward. I want to go back before we

453
00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:37,439
Speaker 1: move on, because we were talking about like how the

454
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,119
Speaker 1: film doesn't lie, like how you like guys in college,

455
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,360
Speaker 1: or how guys play on tape doesn't change. Uh. Mack

456
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,400
Speaker 1: Wilson for the Cleveland Browns. You talked about the play

457
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:50,000
Speaker 1: that he made, the unbelievable pick six, three tackles, two interceptions,

458
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 1: you know, DJ, The funny thing is, at Alabama, that's

459
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,639
Speaker 1: what he did. He made a ton of plays on

460
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,120
Speaker 1: the ball in terms of interceptions, probably had the best

461
00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,360
Speaker 1: hands of any linebacker. Uh. Whatever happened in to run

462
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 1: up to the draft, they caused him to slide into

463
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 1: the fifth round. Character concerns and all of those things.

464
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 1: On the field, Mack Wilson is the impressive player that

465
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 1: we saw at Alabama, the impressive player that we talked

466
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,680
Speaker 1: about in the fall, potentially being a first round pick. UM.

467
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 1: The Cleveland Browns may have gotten another steel by taking

468
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,159
Speaker 1: a chance on a guy that may have kind of

469
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 1: like a character risk by his tag, by his card,

470
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 1: but on the field, really really good football play. And

471
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 1: I think he showed up right away in their debut.

472
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,639
Speaker 1: I'm looking at some of my notes here inside linebacker,

473
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 1: change of direction, fluid covers, tight ends. Um just have

474
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,400
Speaker 1: been a little bit inconsistent and stuck on some blocks.

475
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 1: Now I thought I really punished him, you know, based

476
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,919
Speaker 1: off some of the concerns that people had. Um, he

477
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 1: was in my top fifty for a good chunk. He

478
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 1: ended up being my hundred and first player, right, hundred one,

479
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,640
Speaker 1: He was the hundred and fifty five pick. Um. I mean,

480
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 1: he took on some serious water in the spring. But

481
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 1: we saw that ability, that's your right, I mean that

482
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: showed up. Yeah, the ability showed up his his ability

483
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 1: to make plays in those things. And so, uh look,

484
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 1: I mean there's only one Preesact game, but it was very,

485
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 1: very impressive watching him run around and make plays and

486
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 1: make the same kind of plays that he made at BAMMA.

487
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 1: All right, let's go through a couple of these divisions here,

488
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 1: NFC and a f C North division. Uh, just kind

489
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: of ripped through. Uh, we'll go NFC North in a

490
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 1: f C North kind of maybe a storyline we're keeping

491
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,159
Speaker 1: an eye on. And then once we get to the

492
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 1: end of of that discussion, which get say who we

493
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Speaker 1: like to win the division. At this point in time,

494
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: it's early, We've got time to change. But let's let's

495
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:29,679
Speaker 1: rip through these. You ready, you have to do it,

496
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 1: all right? Chicago Bears twelve and four team last year,

497
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 1: What you're looking forward to to me? I mean, I

498
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 1: keep sticking with this rookie theme right here. When you

499
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 1: look at what they did at the running back position,

500
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 1: Buck is, it's safe to say that they upgraded, because

501
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 1: when I watched the preseason is, I can't help but

502
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 1: think they upgraded. It's so funny because you stole my

503
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 1: headline because it's all about David Montgomery. Man, David Montgomery,

504
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 1: David Montgomery. I knew it was a good player to

505
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 1: iwall stay, but man, when you watch him in Chicago

506
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 1: in that offense, I was like, man, he's a pro.

507
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: He is an unbelievable playmaker. The way they get him

508
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: the ball as a runner, catching the ball out the backfield,

509
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 1: the moves that he made, the slippery He's so slippery

510
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 1: and elusive in the hole. But he also has some

511
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 1: pop to finish his runs. I like him a lot,

512
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: and I think Matt Naggy is gonna have a lot

513
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: of fun for him. I'm gonna reckon and saying, I

514
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: know Jordan Howard has gone to a pro bowler. Two.

515
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: This guy's clearly an upgrade over Jordan Howard to me,

516
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 1: when I look at their offense, Yeah, I'm going back

517
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 1: through my draft notes, Buck visions patients make you missing

518
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: the hallway stop start uh quickness. He was my forty

519
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 1: three guy. He was a seventy third pick. The heck

520
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: did he was? He there with the seventy third pick,

521
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: You know, DJ, I think I think it's I think

522
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: it's the the amount of carriers that they had, the

523
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: volume carriers that they had at Iowa State, and then

524
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: I think maybe the speed thing. But when you watched

525
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 1: him play, to me, he looked like a pro running

526
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 1: back on tape at Iowa State, Like he did all

527
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: the things that had the good pro running backs, the

528
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: guys who played for a long time in the league.

529
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: He does that. He wasn't flashy or anything, but he

530
00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: was steady and consistent and so um there's something to

531
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: be said for that. We can go and like the

532
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: shiny sports car. But I just know if you have

533
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: a Toyoto camera or handa cord, you know that you

534
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,719
Speaker 1: can get two and and and that's it. And to me,

535
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 1: he is the Honda Accord of the draft at running

536
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: back position. He's safe, he's dependable, he's squad. He's gonna

537
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: be a long lasting running back for the Bears. All Right,

538
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: we get to the next team here in the Minnesota Vikings.

539
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: I'll stay, you know, kind of with that whole theme

540
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 1: of the running back position with with Dalvin Cook and

541
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: the offensive line with Garrett Bradbury mixed in there. Um,

542
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be better upfront on the offensive

543
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 1: line Buck and if they can get him rolling, get

544
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook rolling, I think that's gonna really alleviate a

545
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: lot of that pressure on the quarterback there. And Kirk

546
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 1: Cousins absolutely, and I like the way that they've changed

547
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 1: their style. They were in twenty one personnel a lot

548
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: in that first preseason game, two backs, one tied end

549
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 1: to wide receivers out wide. I believe if they live

550
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: in that formation, they canna win a lot of games.

551
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: And because they're really doing the Gary Kobe k system

552
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 1: where they're really running to the zone, the inside outside

553
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 1: zone and coming back on the backside with the bootleg game, Uh,

554
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: they're gonna get people problems in I think they will

555
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: continue to give people problems when it comes to playing

556
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: that style. And I believe Kirk Cousins was so comfortable

557
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: in that system. I think it's going to really do

558
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: ones for their offense. All Right, let's get to the

559
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers. To me, I'm looking on the defensive

560
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 1: side of the ball, Um, how do these new additions

561
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: play When you look at the rookies there with Shawn

562
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: Gary Uh, Darnell Savage, Savage, then you look at the

563
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: big ticket items you go get his Zadarius Smith, Um

564
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: and Preston Smith. What are these new pieces on defense?

565
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 1: How quickly did they come together? And under Mike Petton

566
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: can this emerge? Is one of the better units in

567
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 1: the league. Yeah, right, Look, there's there's a lot of

568
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: I mean high hopes, high hopes, a lot of optimism

569
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: around the Green Bay Packers defensive rightfully so, because they

570
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: have upgraded the unit. And while I think that defense

571
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: is going to be better, I was really impressed. I

572
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: don't know if people realize this. Elkton Jenkins started at

573
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 1: left guard for the Green Bay Packers. He has competing

574
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: with Lane Taylor Uh to get to start nod. They

575
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: are really trying to make that line more athletic to

576
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 1: fit what Matt Lafleur wants to do based on his

577
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: time with the Rams and with the Falcons and what

578
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: he did a little bit in Tennessee. Man, if they

579
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: can get that that running game going where they're running

580
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: the zone stuff and they get Aaron Jones, one of

581
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: the young running backs, to step up. I kind of

582
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: like what they could do because Aaron Rodgers. I don't

583
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: know if Aaron Rodgers has been asked to do the

584
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: stretch bootlegs system enough. He did it years ago for

585
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. They used to have these big home run

586
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: plays with Jordy Nelson. They kind of went away from that.

587
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: If they can get back to that part of it,

588
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: that's really when the Green Bay Packers offense was special

589
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: and dynamic. I'm with you on that. And this is

590
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: a team that I don't know people people say they're

591
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 1: sleeping on him. I don't know. I don't hear a

592
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: lot about them inside that division and inside the NFC.

593
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: But you get the quarterback rolling and and now you've

594
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: got all these new pieces on defense. That's a dangerous

595
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 1: football team. How about the Lions, you know, I want

596
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: to see what Matt Patricia wants to do. I don't

597
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 1: like what I'm hearing coming out of Detroit when they

598
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: talked about wanting to be the Detroit Patriots and all

599
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: that other stuff. I think is really disrespectful to the

600
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: past of the Lions, and there's story tradition because they've

601
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: had really good players. The franchisees existed for a long time.

602
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: I just think it's disrespectful to play the Patriots theme

603
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: music after scores and all that other stuff on the field.

604
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: I don't know who they are. I don't know what

605
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: they're hanging their hat on. You got a franchise quarterback

606
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: in Matthew Stafford, but you want to be a little

607
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: more blue collar in terms of the way that you

608
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: run the football. I just don't know if the personnel

609
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: mats what the vision of the team is, and so

610
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: how long can he sit um with that vision without

611
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: a matching his personnel. That's gonna be the challenge for

612
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia to face. When does he get off of

613
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: it and take the team for what it is and

614
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 1: find a way to win games based on what they

615
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 1: have and how they may have to play with the personnel. Yeah,

616
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: I do like what I'm hearing on t J. Hockenson,

617
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: the young rookie tight end who's uh who's kind of emergence,

618
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: Their their weapon in the passing game, which is all

619
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: gravy based off what he gives you in the run game.

620
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: All right, who do you like? He like winning this division?

621
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: Book and stuff. I'm gonna go back to back. I'm

622
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,959
Speaker 1: I think the Bears can win it again. I think,

623
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: man Naggy. I know, they kind of took the league

624
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,719
Speaker 1: by storm last and they won with plenty of pace. Uh,

625
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: the Vikings are gonna be right there. But I mean,

626
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 1: I just kind of like what the Bears are doing.

627
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: A lot of it falls on check Pagana and what

628
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: they do with their defense. But right now, I'm gonna say, look,

629
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna goad the Winter again. Yeah, I look, that's

630
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: a very good football team. I'm gonna lean towards the Vikings,

631
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: and I think they get that offensive line role, and

632
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: they get their run game role, and I think their defense, man,

633
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: there are so many different playmakers at all levels of

634
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: the defense. And I think I love Chuck Pagonald, but

635
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 1: I think there is at least an adjustment period they're

636
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: leaving with VIC fan Joe Levin. So I'll say the

637
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: Vikings end up squeaking out this division. But I definitely

638
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: think we have at least two playoff teams, maybe even

639
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: potentially three playoff teams in this division. If the Packers

640
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: get their act together, all right, a f C North

641
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens won the division last year. What are you

642
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: looking at? I'm looking to see if the triple option

643
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: is going to happen. I believe the look John John

644
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: Harbor talked about revolutionizing football, revolutionizing the way things are done. Uh,

645
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: there's a part of me that does believe that he

646
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: is really trying to run to Baltimore Ravens like uh

647
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: power five football team with the quarterback having all those

648
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: quarterbacks looked the same running they count of offense that

649
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: they're running where it's a lot of like option and

650
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: reads and r p O s. He brought a ton

651
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: of college bright college minds into the thing. Joe Moore,

652
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: Hey came through Paul Johnson, who is the architect of

653
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: the triple option. Will He'll who's the office coordinator at

654
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: Tulane who also runs triple option stuff. They're going through

655
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: a lot of defenses, and I just wonder how it's

656
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: going to look Lamar Jackson and talking to someone in

657
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: the organization. Look, everyone believes in him. They're all in

658
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: on him being the pie piper. I just can't wait

659
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: to see how it plays out. Uh. Once we get

660
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: to about mid winning the season. Yeah, I'm anxious to

661
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: watch it as well. But to me, mark Ingram leads

662
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: the NFL and rushing that's my hot take there. Oh,

663
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: I can see it happens. I can see it happened

664
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,959
Speaker 1: because all eyes are gonna be on the number eight.

665
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: So when he hands it, uh, he may hit some goalposts,

666
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: but naked because everyone's gonna be looking for Lamar Jackson

667
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: the pool. So we saw a lot. We saw gust

668
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: Edwards have a tremendous ex s uh with Lamar Jackson

669
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: at quarterbacks, so I would expect a really good running

670
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: back like mark Ingram to also have a tremendous amount

671
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: of success running the ball. All right, Pittsburgh Steelers, look me.

672
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: In addition, by subtraction, look, I mean we talked about

673
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown and what was going on, and then Levy

674
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: and Bill are not being available. This may be a

675
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: better overall quote unquote team than they were before because

676
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: they play together, the chemistry of the rapport. We saw

677
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: some guys step up in the preseason. James Washington made

678
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: some plays. Uh. They've always been able to kind of

679
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: find a way to develop wide receivers. Now it's gonna

680
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: be tougher now because they're dealing with the tragedy of

681
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: Darryl Drake passing away surprisingly over the weekend. Uh. You

682
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: hope that his family is able to handle it. You

683
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: hope that the Steelers family family is able to observe it.

684
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: But if they can get kind of back on track

685
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: and overcome that adversity, I respect the Stillers to to

686
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: be right there in the end. Yeah. You know, look,

687
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: addition by subtraction. Maybe that's just cold, um, but you know,

688
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: it's hard to argue with some of those distractions. I

689
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: mean it's it's o's a lot of those distractions have left. Uh.

690
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: This Pittsburgh Steelers team, with all the stuff, the questions

691
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: and all the issues they've had over the last couple

692
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: of years, they can focus on football. Um. So you know,

693
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: I think this this Steelers team is is a very

694
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: real threat to win this division. All right. The team

695
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: that everybody's talking about, the Cleveland Browns. You know, Cleveland Browns.

696
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: As much as everyone wants to talk about the offense,

697
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: I believe their defense is where they're going to uh

698
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: buttered the bread. Like I think Steve wils is an

699
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: upgrade over Greg Williams as a defensive coordinator. Um, he's

700
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: not as he's not as I can't exotic with his pressure,

701
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: but he is just as aggressive with how they do it.

702
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: I just think it's a more sound scheme and the

703
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: pieces that he has to play with Miles Garrett, Olivier

704
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: Vernon Um. We talked about Denzil Award being in the backfield,

705
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: then adding Freed and Williams, who I think he's going

706
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: to play better because the peer pressure is going to

707
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: make him kind of be a guy that comes up

708
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: in hits. I just think this is going to be

709
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: a better defense. I think this defense is going to

710
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: be lights out, and that offense we saw Baker Mayfield

711
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: come and light it up in the preseason, when have

712
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Jr. And Jarvis Landry and then you get

713
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt. That's when joined the season mid season. A

714
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: lot of weapons that you have to deal with when

715
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: you're facing the Browns and if Freddy Kitson's can just

716
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: keep the locker room in order, the Browns is gonna

717
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: win Tempolus games. All Right, I'm gonna give you a

718
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: couple of names here, Buck, Greg Robinson, Eric Kush Chris

719
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: Hubbard offensive line, you're confident there, I'm confident there. I

720
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: mean I'm not confident, but I'm confident that the quarterback

721
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: can get the ball out. Uh. That to me is

722
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: gonna be this the storyline of this team. If the

723
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: offensive line plays well, they're gonna win a ton of

724
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: football games because there's just too much talent everywhere else.

725
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: And the defense is gonna be really good with all

726
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: the players they have, especially up in that front seven,

727
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: to get after you. So to me, it all comes

728
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: down to those guys. How about the Bengals. You know,

729
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: with the Bengals, it's tough, man, because they started behind

730
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: the eight ball. So many injuries are affecting what they

731
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: can put on the field. We saw the old line injuries, JOHNA.

732
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: Williams not being available and able to do things, and

733
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: so it's just one of those situations where Zach Taylor

734
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: is gonna have to be creative. I do like Joe Mixing.

735
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: I think Joe Mixing is a stud. Whenever they get

736
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,479
Speaker 1: a g greenback. They have that and Tyler Boyd. But

737
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: it's just gonna be really, really difficult because they can't

738
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: control the line of scrimmage. I just don't know how

739
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: you're going to be able to win in a rugged

740
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: division like the a f C North. All right, let's

741
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: let's pick a winner here. I'm not gonna add on

742
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: to the Bengals. I don't know they have anything to

743
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: add there. Who wins this division? Man, this is tough because, like, uh,

744
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: I want to say the Browns, but somehow I just

745
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: think it's still just find a way to sneak the division.

746
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: I think they just kind of walk away with it

747
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: because they know how to do it. It's gonna be

748
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: interesting to see how this plays out. Uh, the Browns

749
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: are gonna be right there. I just can't wait to

750
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: see because the three teams at the top, the Ravens,

751
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: distill Is in the Browns all play a physical style.

752
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the last man standing. I'm gonna go

753
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: with the Pittsburgh Steelers as well, so we're we're on

754
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: the same page and we'll see how this all comes together.

755
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: But you know when the biggest question mark with the

756
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: Steelers is how are they going to place replace a

757
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: wide receiver? And we all know what Kevin Colbert has

758
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: been able to do and scouting and the coaching staff

759
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: have been able to do developing wide receivers. Um to me,

760
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about it. When you look at the

761
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 1: pieces they have in place there we saw wash you

762
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: can't already make plays. I think Moncrief is gonna have

763
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: a good year for him. He still got juju. I

764
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,719
Speaker 1: think they're gonna be just fine. Yeah, I think they

765
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: can continue to roll on. I think this is gonna

766
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: be a better overall product at the chemistry to continuity.

767
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin also like I think sometimes as a coach

768
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: and his player, sometimes you need to have that wake

769
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: up call. I think last year was a wake up

770
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: call for him and for a guy who has been

771
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: one of the more successful coaches in the league. The

772
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: fact that he's more focused, like laser like focus on

773
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: building this team. I think it still is a definitely

774
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: going to be a force to deal with. All Right,

775
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: let's let's switch gears here, getting over to America's team,

776
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: as their fans still refer to them the Dallas Cowboys.

777
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: You got a chance to get out to their camp, Buck,

778
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: and you have a chance to visit with Xavier Woods.

779
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath should ob a woozy A three members of

780
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: a very talented secondary So we're gonna roll your conversations

781
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: with those three and then coming out of that, I

782
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on what you saw up

783
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: there in ox. Now, okay, here's your conversation with these

784
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: three talented DB's for the Dallas Cowboys. A lot of time,

785
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: no pressure, deep to the middle of Bove, broke it up,

786
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: It is intercepted. It is intercepted by Xavier Woods on

787
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: a contested ball, and the Cowboys find a different way

788
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: to turn him back. I'm excited to be joined by

789
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods. How's everything going, how's camp? It's been going good? Uh,

790
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: you know, he's just a grind, steady grind in steady grind.

791
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: It is always a grind. But the one thing that

792
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: stands out to me when I watched the Cowboys playing game, Actually,

793
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 1: you guys played with so much effort and energy. Where

794
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: does that come from? Starts to Mary Nelly. He's a leader,

795
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 1: he's uh, you know, I d C. But the energy

796
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: that he brings in the mean room, the energy that

797
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: he wants us to have, an effort that he wants

798
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 1: us to exert, Uh, it shows out on the field. Yeah,

799
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 1: Like that's standard that you guys have on the field

800
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: when it comes to just running to the ball is

801
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: really impressive. Another guy that's really impressive, and I've seen

802
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: his impact on the defense has been Christopher shard Talk

803
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: a little bit about what Christopher shardt has done to

804
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: kind of impact the secondary and the entire defense. Uh well,

805
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: coming in he brought him on the sea defensive cover three. Um,

806
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: and we're flying to the ball, man, It's an effort

807
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: based defense that flies to the ball. We know what

808
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: we have to do, we know our covers, we know

809
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: our techniques, and uh we just lock in and uh

810
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,479
Speaker 1: we just do our jobs basically, you know. And and

811
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: looking at the room the secondary, the one thing you

812
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: guys kind of have a common thread. Young, hungry, play

813
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: with a lot of fashion. What is the bund like

814
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: in that secondary room? How do you challenge each other

815
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: to play at the high up? I mean us being young?

816
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: After that, that's the blessing. Uh. No one has no

817
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: one's a big name, no one has all these um

818
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: I would say, no one accolated um Steppa Byron and

819
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: he just got that last year. We're all hungry, we

820
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: all want to be the best. We're all pushing each

821
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 1: other to be the best we know we can be. Um,

822
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: we started together, and I mean the goal is in

823
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: together and we know it's a business. Uh, but you

824
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: know we want to push each other, you know, and

825
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: and and thinking about the way the game is played.

826
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: It's obviously the past first league. Uh. The rules go

827
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: against all the secondary guys. You can't really hit guys

828
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: over the milder, you can't put your hands on the

829
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: past five yards. What's the challenge of playing good secondary

830
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 1: play in the league that's really built for the offense.

831
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: It's doing our job, doing what we coached to do.

832
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: Um Man Chrisis Show, one of the best coaches in

833
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: the league. Uh, he's coached us um the right way,

834
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: how to do things the right way, how to hit

835
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: the right way, how to cover the right way. Uh.

836
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: And that's when we got there on Sundays, we just

837
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: just dude, we talked to do and we'll be okay.

838
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 1: You know. One of the things I know coaches always

839
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: talking about before you can get into the playoffs, you

840
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: need to own your division. So you guys playing a

841
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: tough division. You got talented playmakers all over. When you

842
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: prepare for those NFC East games, what is your mind

843
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: set like to dominate. Uh. I mean this defense, I

844
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: speak for the defense and this team. We want to dominate. Uh.

845
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: We know it's gonna be hard. I mean, this vision

846
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: is tough, really tough. We know it's gonna be a grind. No,

847
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard East, even the weakest linked the division.

848
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: We know it's gonna be a tough team, enough tough time. UH.

849
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: And so we know that coming in. We know we

850
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: got UM Division games early. We know we had to

851
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: lock in early, uh to secure those wins. So I

852
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: want to go all the way back. I want to

853
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: go all the way back to when you were in

854
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: high school, and I I want you to think about the

855
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: best guy that you ever saw play or that you

856
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 1: played against. Tell me about the best I ever saw play,

857
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: uh in high school, high school, anybody. It could be

858
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: a mixtape, it could be anything, whether you played against

859
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: him or whatever. But the best high school player that

860
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: you ever saw on tape. UM, let's say tray Quinn.

861
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: Tray Quin was the best. People don't remember. Tray Quinn

862
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: was a five star wide receiver. Plays it. He was

863
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: a leading UM receiver in high school for yards. Uh.

864
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: We end up playing them twice. I end up play

865
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: them talking to high school? Uh in the playoffs? Matter

866
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: of fact, had you hold up? How did you hold

867
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: up against We'll be in my junior year and uh,

868
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: maybe my senior year. Man, that is a surprise. I

869
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: don't know if many of our listeners would know that

870
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: tray Quinn was a dominant player in high school. Man. Hey, well, look,

871
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: thanks so much for spending time with the Mood of

872
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: six podcast. Best luck going forward to thank you. Excited

873
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 1: to have Jeff Heath joined us at Cowboys camp. How's

874
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: everything going? How's camp going for you? It's going good? Man.

875
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: We have been out here a couple of weeks, so

876
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: settled in, you know, the grind is uh is began

877
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: and um, you know I think we were responding right way,

878
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: getting a lot better as a team. Um, just growing

879
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: a lot. You know one thing that stands out to

880
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:16,919
Speaker 1: me whenever I watch you guys play, man, you guys

881
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: play with so much effort and energy. Who who says

882
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: that standard for the way that you guys play on

883
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: the field? Yeah, I mean it will. It starts with uh,

884
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 1: coach Garrett, our head coach, and um, it really trickles

885
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: down to the whole staff and the leaders on the

886
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: team and uh, you know, especially speaking for the defense. Um,

887
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: you know, if you followed coach mayoron Nelli's career, all

888
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: all the defenses he's coaches played that way. Um, you know,

889
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: we have a certain standard on the defensive side of

890
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: the ball when it comes to effort and hitting and uh,

891
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: takeaways all that stuff. So it's just something that you're

892
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: building camp and um, you know you're never you never

893
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: have it because it's tough to do, but you know

894
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: we're working that way. You know. It's funny you bring

895
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: that and you talk about Rod marrion Ellie and everyone

896
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: knows the standard that he brings uh to the table.

897
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: But then Christopher shut you is the team last year

898
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: and the success that he had in Seattle, what is

899
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: he brought? What is he added to this defense? Yeah? Man,

900
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: he's added so much, you know, Uh, the knowledge that

901
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: he has, especially when it comes to the defensive back play. Um,

902
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: you know, really just just a wealth and knowledge. And

903
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: especially with a young d dB group that we have,

904
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: we really learned a lot from them in terms of

905
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 1: you know, on the field stuff, technique stuff, and then

906
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: you know, attitude and uh, you know, how you carry

907
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: yourself on the field, and really just the energy he brings,

908
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: the attitude, the toughness, everything we just Um, he's great

909
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: for us. It looks like a perfect fit because I

910
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: see the guy running win sprints with you guys. I

911
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: see the effort and attitude. I've seen some of the

912
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: pregame stuff that he does. Um. I think it's interesting

913
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: to watch you guys because you have the young, hungry

914
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: defensive back room. What is the common denominator? What is

915
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: the bond that kind of links you guys, because it

916
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: seems like your bond goes and extends beyond what what

917
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: I see on the field. Yeah, I think, uh, you know,

918
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: we all have we all have the same goals in

919
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: on Um. You know, for one, we love being around

920
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: each other. And I think coach Gars done a great

921
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: job of bringing guys in that kind of you know,

922
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: fit into the team culture. And um, you know, they're

923
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: good guys. They work their butts off, and really when

924
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: you put groups like that together and then we grind

925
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: out here on the field, that's what makes bonds. You know,

926
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: the work that you put in together, uh, in the

927
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: off season during training camp and then you know in

928
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: those stuff games during the season. So Uh, you know

929
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: it's something that um, you know, we were really trying

930
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: to build a special group uh in the dB room,

931
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 1: and UM, you know, I really like the way we're

932
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: going right now. You know, I also like the way

933
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: that you guys are playing it. So you've got a

934
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: very competitive NFC East. What does the mind stiment tell

935
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: them when you face those division rivals? Yeah, I mean

936
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: they're obviously they're familiar opponents when we play them. Um,

937
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: they know what we're gonna do, we know what they're

938
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: gonna do. So then it really comes down to you

939
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: know who's gonna execute better. Um, they're always gonna be

940
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: tight games. Uh, so you know who's gonna you know,

941
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: Coach's gotta saying do right and do right longer. And

942
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: that's really what it comes to to just do your

943
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: job consistently throughout the game, don't worry about the scoreboard.

944
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: And uh but if you do that most of the

945
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: time at day the game, you're gonna be on the

946
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: right side of the of the score board. So you

947
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: guys have have had been into the postseason. You you

948
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: made a little bit of a run. What what are

949
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: the goals? What is the goal for the defense coming up?

950
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: This year. Uh you know, I think the goal for

951
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: the defense just improved. Um you know, we we uh

952
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: we think we had a good year last year. But

953
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: uh no, no two teams either same. We gotta start

954
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: all over from square one. Uh you know, Coach Marinelli says,

955
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: all the time, we got learned to put our socks

956
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: back on, and uh you know that's what we're out

957
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: here doing. But um you know, it's just to uphold

958
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: our standard. We're never on the field, whether it's the

959
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: way we run, the way we hit, the way we

960
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: take the ball away, just giving our our offensive ball,

961
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: giving our team the best chance to win. So now

962
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm in it this way. I know it's

963
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: been a while since you played high school ball, but

964
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: I want you to go back. I don't want you

965
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: to think, and I want you to think about all

966
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: the players that you may be the scene on tape

967
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: or played against. Who is the best high school player

968
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: that you've ever seen on tap? Who that higool player

969
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: I've ever seen ainan tape either scene played against? Best

970
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 1: high school player that I'll go too. So the best

971
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: player I've ever seen, the best high school highlight type

972
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: I've ever seen is Tavon Austin. Actually, if you look

973
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: that up, the best player I played against in high

974
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: school is probably uh Edwin Baker. He played running back

975
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: for Oak Park of in Michigan. They played at Michigan State.

976
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: He played in the league a little bit. He was

977
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: just a man amongst boys in high school. Manage a

978
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: big dude, big fast guys. So, um, that's probably the

979
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: best that Tavon Austin high school tape. It's ridiculous. Hey,

980
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: thanks for a little time with the most podcast. Best

981
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: to look at you to see. I'm excited to be

982
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: joined by Udovie and Woozier. How are you doing? Chilling,

983
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: feeling good, feeling lovely. You know, I really love watching

984
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: you guys play, and I think it's amazing that you

985
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: guys are able to play together at a time where

986
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 1: it's really challenging to play corner in the league. Um,

987
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the challenge of playing corner

988
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: in the league. That really makes it very, very difficult

989
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: for deps to put their hands on wide receivers. Oh yeah,

990
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: I mean college, you know it was easy, you know,

991
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: you just you could You could bustle them up the

992
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: whole way down a route all that type of stuff.

993
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: But you know now in the league, you know that's

994
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: why it was a blessing of culture started to come.

995
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: You know, he's giving us a technique or we can

996
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: still be physical. You know, there's still ways to play

997
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: physical in this game. But um, if your techniques not right,

998
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: or if your forums not right, you're gonna get caught

999
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 1: for a lot of you know, penalties, or you're gonna

1000
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: get up topped, you know, fade balls, all that type

1001
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 1: of stuff. So, UM, I think I was just blessed

1002
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: with this opportunity on this team to really learn how

1003
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: to still be physical, you know, still use my attributes

1004
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: and also play you know aggressive. Well, I got I

1005
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: gotta kind of talk about everybody has goals for the

1006
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: season from a personal standboard, what are some of the

1007
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: things that you would like, uh to achieve to make

1008
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: it a really seld season for yourself? Well, I mean

1009
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: individual goals everybody. I mean it's cliche, but you know

1010
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 1: it's always about the team goals for me and uh,

1011
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: I think mainly, you know, it's just doing my job. Um,

1012
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: you know it's a dB. You know, we don't want

1013
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: to give up any big place. We don't want to

1014
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: give up the fades. You know, it seems to post

1015
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: and we want to be able to take the ball away.

1016
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: So you know, ain't gonna say no specific number, but

1017
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: obviously I want I want to I want to get

1018
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: a certain amount of hickserning out of fumbles. You don't

1019
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: want to make my tackles when they present themselves. And

1020
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: then if a ball strown up, I wanted to be

1021
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: my ball. So um, that's basically my going to general aspect.

1022
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: So look, so so won of the fun things that

1023
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 1: we do on the podcast is we've been asking guys,

1024
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: who is the best player that you've seen in high school?

1025
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: So if you dig back into the level, okay, yeah,

1026
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: it's the best high school player that you ever saw

1027
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: or squared off against anything. Shoot my sitting I'm playing now.

1028
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: Um honestly, Jared Golf I didn't get to play him,

1029
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 1: um in pads, but there was a seven on seven

1030
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: tournament in the summer, and you know I was locking

1031
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: everybody up and seven on seven and all this stuff,

1032
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: and then we faced him and it's just like this ball.

1033
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: It's like it was like the first ball I've seen

1034
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: to actually hung in the air like on the college

1035
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,959
Speaker 1: NFL level type throw and I was just like, what's

1036
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: going on? And it just went right over my head

1037
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, Yo, that is special. So I

1038
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: think definitely, uh, probably him my seven on seven junior

1039
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: year going into my senior year. He was he was

1040
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: a mom Jared Jared being a special player where you

1041
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:04,959
Speaker 1: are on your way to being a very special player

1042
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: in the Frozen. Thanks so much for joining the pot. Yeah,

1043
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: of course, oh buck, I loved I love listening to

1044
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: those guys when you when you hear them tell the

1045
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 1: story of the best high school player that they've ever seen.

1046
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: I want to give a little bit of a tease

1047
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: to the folks because we've got an episode coming up

1048
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: where we have asked a whole host of people this

1049
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: question that have been around football forever, and the names

1050
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: and the stories we've gathered are unbelievable. That was a

1051
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 1: little taste from some of those players there, But uh,

1052
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: I think people are gonna dig it when we put

1053
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: this thing together with this topic. It's fascinating. It is fascinating, man.

1054
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: I just think there's so many takeaways from from there,

1055
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: like those guys kind of recounting the high school guys

1056
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: that they face, they face and they played against and

1057
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: guys they kind of left those marks on them. It

1058
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: kind of takes you back into your memory bank and

1059
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: you remember, like, man, I remember Trey Quent. Trey Quinn

1060
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: was a big time player coming out a Louisiana five

1061
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: star player. And then I think, um, when it comes

1062
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: to personal with the Cowboys, um, and the big question

1063
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: that I have for them was just how did they

1064
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 1: play so hard? When you go and you watched them practice, Man,

1065
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: they just get after it. And when you watched them

1066
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: in games, you also see it. And so to hear

1067
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: them talk about the standard that Rob mary Nell they created,

1068
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: what Christopher Shard has brought, uh, it's just really a

1069
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: testament to just kind of how they have it going

1070
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: in the right direction, but more importantly, how they now

1071
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: as a scouting staff are going in getting those guys

1072
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 1: who kind of have the Uh you we've heard Chris

1073
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: Peterson talk about O kag our kind of guys. When

1074
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 1: they talk about getting the guys that have the DNA

1075
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: that kind of fits the locker room. That was the

1076
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: biggest thing that that that I took away from the

1077
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: conversation with those three guys. I love it. And and

1078
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: while you were there. I want to transition a little

1079
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: bit talking about these running backs and the situations with

1080
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: Ezekie Elliot as well as Melvin Gordon. But any any

1081
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: buzz around there about Zeke? You know, like they just

1082
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: kind of feel like Zeke is gonna come in when

1083
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: it's time, that they they're not overly concerned about and

1084
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: that Jerry's eventually going to pay him. But he just

1085
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: wants to make sure that all those guys kind of

1086
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: come in at the right number. So I don't think

1087
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: there's any panic. I don't think. I didn't sense that

1088
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: there was any kind of like cloud hanging over camp. Um.

1089
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: I think Jerry just it's coming away. I just feel like, look, man,

1090
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: he's a businessman. He's always kind of deal business like this.

1091
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: He doesn't have like the butterflies in the stomach they

1092
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: come with negotiations. He just kind of understands, hey, this

1093
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: is what it is. Kind of a fun part of negotiating,

1094
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: and at some point when it's time, they'll get to

1095
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: deal with done. Yeah. I mean, do you have any doubt.

1096
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: I have no doubt that they will get this deal done.

1097
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: I know some people look at ah, well, you know,

1098
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 1: we still got a couple of years left on his deal.

1099
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: Um Melvin you know Gordon situation. You know, shouldn't he

1100
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: be in the front of the line there because he's

1101
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: only got one year left on his deal? And look,

1102
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: these situations are unique, they're different. I think that Zeke

1103
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 1: has a leverage in this situation more so than Melvin

1104
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: Gordon for the following reasons. Number One, you've got an

1105
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: organization that's dependent on you. I think more of the

1106
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: offense runs through him, and the success of the team

1107
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 1: is more dependent on him. Um And and Melvin Gordon's

1108
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: a phenomenal player, but that's still a quarterback driven team

1109
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: with with quality depth at the position, and they've got

1110
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of weapons in the passing games. So I

1111
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: think it's different from that standpoint. I also think it's

1112
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: different from the standpoint of the Chargers historically have have

1113
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: kind of held their ground. You know, they're gonna they're

1114
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: gonna put a value on a player and they're not

1115
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: going to really move off that, whereas the Cowboys, at

1116
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: least reputation wise, it's that Jerry Jones. You know, he's

1117
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna cave, He's he's going to give in, and

1118
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: he's not gonna, you know, watch his star running back

1119
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: miss games. So for all those different reasons, I think

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00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: that the leverage is with Ezekie Elliott. Well it's not

1121
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: necessarily with Melvin Gordon. Yeah, and do thing. The difference

1122
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: is what you talk about, like playings out, like the

1123
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys run their offense through their running back, whereas

1124
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: the LH Charges running through Philip Rivers. And so when

1125
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: you're valuing players, you value them differently because the Charges

1126
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: have seen a multiple occasions. Philip Rivers has elevated a

1127
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: cast of no names and put them in contention in

1128
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: terms of being a playoff team. We've seen them take

1129
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 1: guys off the street of why receiver and elevate them,

1130
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 1: and they've done it with a number of running backs.

1131
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: Little lt was a Hall of Famer, but look, Ryan

1132
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: Matthews and other guys have kind of tried it through

1133
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: there and they've still been successful. Because it's still runs

1134
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: through seventeen with the Dallas Cowboys. Everyone realizes twenty one

1135
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: is really what makes it go. This running game. Uh,

1136
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: the way that he runs, the physicality to toughness, the

1137
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: way that he eats up clock that protects not only

1138
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: the offense, but the defense, it's just a different kind

1139
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: of negotiation, which is why I think Eazy Elliot is

1140
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: going to get his money, while I believe Melvin Gordon

1141
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: is going to be left on the sideline. Yeah, we'll see.

1142
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe they all can come to agreement and

1143
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: uh and work this thing out on on both sides.

1144
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: We've got some time here before the first week of

1145
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: the season. We are in agreement on this. I'm sure though.

1146
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: Running back carries in the preseason, you don't. They don't

1147
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: need to carry the ball, not not not the guys

1148
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: that you wanted to have during a regular season. Now,

1149
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: I don't need to see many carries at all. Now.

1150
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: LT was telling us a story this last week about, um,

1151
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: you know, Marty Schottenheimer one year wanted LT to play

1152
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: about a quarter just so we get tackled a couple

1153
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: of times, so he could get used to feeling that

1154
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: and not have to do that for the first time

1155
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: in a regular season game. So LT said, all right,

1156
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: So I trot out there first carry takes it sixty

1157
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: to the house and Marty Schottenham looked at him said,

1158
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: never mind, you're good, just good. I don't need to

1159
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: put you out there anymore, and it was I it

1160
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: was the last time he played the preseason. That was

1161
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 1: that's funny. That's funny. I love it though, So yeah,

1162
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: I don't need to see backs in the preseason. Just

1163
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: put them on ice and get them ready to go.

1164
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: That is hilarious. I am all about that. That's funny.

1165
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: All right, that's uh. That's gonna do it for us today. Buck,

1166
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: The folks can download Move the six podcast, Apple Podcast,

1167
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: your favorite podcast app. We've got our position prototype series. Uh,

1168
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: that is out there, NFL dot com slash mts prototype.

1169
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: You can find it there. All of our videos NFL

1170
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: dot com slash mts video, YouTube dot com slash NFL.

1171
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: We've also got the YouTube the podcast channel on YouTube.

1172
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 1: Hytheon might have to jump in there to tell us

1173
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: what that address is where you can find the NFL podcasts.

1174
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 1: That's YouTube dot com slash NFL podcast. Very creative name there, Okay,

1175
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: YouTube dot com slash NFL pod, NFL podcast. Is that

1176
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: what it is? Yeah? YouTube dot com slash NFL podcast.

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00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: I can remember that. Anything else you got before we

1178
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 1: get out of here, Buck, No, I see you proudly

1179
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: sporting your app state Nike shirt over there can't wait. Yeah,

1180
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 1: I went to that. I went to that event that

1181
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: that that deal in Nashville where all like different colleges

1182
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: were there, and my guy from app State brought me

1183
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: a whole bag of year oh whole bag all kinds

1184
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: of stuff on. So I'm so excited. Well, yeah, you

1185
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: got North Carolina folks there too. North Carolina guys and

1186
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: their recruiting department. We're they're getting ready to uh to

1187
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: get rolling. Here, Man, what do we figure out what

1188
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: we're doing for this game? Yet? We're just trying. We're

1189
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: just trying to We're just trying to focus on having

1190
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: a great practice today. That's what we're trying to do.

1191
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 1: It trying to go one. What does your wristbands say?

1192
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: By the way, what's oh? Man? So we'll talk about this.

1193
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 1: So this is from a man Seth. Man, I'm gonna

1194
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: miss SEFs name. Up, look up Seth's name. So Seth

1195
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: is a chess master. Up, don't scup. Bucky's wearing a

1196
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 1: very thick uh bracelet here with some words some letters

1197
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: on it. I can't make it out what it is.

1198
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 1: So Seth is a chess master. Who is who is? Uh?

1199
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: All right? So it's Seth, what are you googling Seth

1200
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: Seth chess masters. It is Seth mccowsky. I just want

1201
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: to see his last name correctly. I didn't want to

1202
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 1: mess it up. So Seth mccowski is a chess master.

1203
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: He's been a longtime chess master. But what he has

1204
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 1: done is he has started to work with the mental

1205
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: performance of athletes. And one of the first guys that

1206
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,439
Speaker 1: he worked with was Deshaun Watson Uh Quincy Aviy, who's

1207
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: a friend of mine. We worked to Yether on the

1208
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: Leaderleven tour. They kind of linked up and Deshaun Watson

1209
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: and Dwayne Haskin started working with Seth on just kind

1210
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: of how to quiet the mind when it comes to

1211
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: playing the game using chess as a vehicle. Well, when

1212
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: I went to a Leader leven this year in Dallas,

1213
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: Seth and I linked up and I kind of watched

1214
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: him Uh work his magic with some of the quarterbacks

1215
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: and the guy who was m v P. C. J.

1216
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: Stroud just took to the game of chess. I had

1217
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: never been a chess player, and so my first exposure

1218
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 1: to to to playing the game, and so he showed

1219
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: me some tricks, showed me how to play, and he

1220
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: showed me how to think. So the risk band that

1221
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: I have it says threats and attacks and as you're

1222
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: thinking about anything when you're playing a game, and he

1223
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: related it to football. He said, the thing that you

1224
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: always have to think about, like before each play, what

1225
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: are the threats and how can we attack? On the

1226
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: chess board, it's the same thing so people talk about

1227
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: thinking several moves ahead. Is the ability to look at

1228
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: the chessboard, see where I'm at, where the threats, and

1229
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: how can I attack it so I can always keep

1230
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: pressure on the opponent. So I took that and he says, look, book,

1231
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: just make everything as simple as that. And so when

1232
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: I was coaching at the Elite eleventh thing, I was

1233
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: coaching the defense. I was in charge of the defense

1234
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: and my team one, and we played one defense the

1235
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 1: entire time. We played one coverage. And in part of

1236
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: doing that is because when you play one thing, you

1237
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: know how everyone is always going to a attack you,

1238
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: and so it gives you the ability to just spend

1239
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: your time working on here's how they may threaten us,

1240
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 1: Here's how we're gonna attack them back. And so that's

1241
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: where it sprung from and so I've taken that and

1242
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: tried to use it as I go into coaching at

1243
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,240
Speaker 1: the high school. Let's just keep everything simple. It doesn't

1244
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: have to be all this trickery. It doesn't have to

1245
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: be all this time foolery. Let's just line up, know

1246
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: exactly what we're doing. Teams are going to attack us

1247
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: like this and go forward. And one of the players

1248
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 1: that he's worked with in college that we'll talk about

1249
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: in the draft maybe this year, Darnay Holmes, the quarterback

1250
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: from u C. L A, has become one of his

1251
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: prize pupils and he has taken to the game of

1252
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: chess and it has really helped him elevate his game.

1253
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: And so when talking to Chip Kelly and those guys,

1254
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: it's just Seth is just wonder. So I'm all about Seth,

1255
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: all right, well, I need my I need my bracelet

1256
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: next time I get. I took it from him. I

1257
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 1: took it right off his wrist. I took you right

1258
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: off his rist. I was like, Seth, I need that. Yeah,

1259
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: he gave it to him. He's great dude. He lives

1260
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: in the area, and so um I've talked about him

1261
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: coming through talking about it much like we've talked about,

1262
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: like how teams build teams. He kind of understands, like

1263
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: how to build up the players that can be the

1264
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: best when the best is required. I love it. We'll

1265
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: get him in the studio for the pod. Uh. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: all right, Buck, great to see you man. It's fun

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Speaker 1: talking ball. We've got more preseason action coming. We'll keep

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Speaker 1: in college football. We're gonna jump into that water here

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Speaker 1: shortly as a college season is just around the corner.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for us today. Thanks for listening

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Speaker 1: downloading Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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