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Speaker 3: Rolling, and we welcome you to this episode.
Speaker 2: Of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just Baseball
Speaker 2: podcast network, recording your early morning on Wednesday, July fifteenth,
Speaker 2: All Star Week has wrapped. If you're watching on YouTube,
Speaker 2: you can probably tell that we're done with All Star
Speaker 2: Week because Alana look like a couple of zombies after
Speaker 2: the four days have concluded.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we're still sitting here in the hotel.
Speaker 1: We're recording a couple of days early. You can also
Speaker 1: probably tell both of our voices are shot, especially mine waking.
Speaker 2: Up for a flight in four hours and eight minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as we're sitting here starting this recording, it is
Speaker 1: twelve fifty two East Coast time. TJ has to get
Speaker 1: up at five am for a seven thirty am flight.
Speaker 1: I'm staying back because I have a wedding to go
Speaker 1: to in a couple of days that's in Indiana. And yeah,
Speaker 1: so here's what I always say about All Star Week.
Speaker 1: I always say it is my favorite week of the year.
Speaker 1: It's pretty high up there, one of my favorite weeks
Speaker 1: of the year. It's a blast. You do a ton,
Speaker 1: you see a ton of people, but a couple things
Speaker 1: stay true every year. It's like clockwork. Voices are usually shot,
Speaker 1: you're tired as all hell, and you're probably feeling kind
Speaker 1: of gross in terms of being sweaty because it's always
Speaker 1: in the middle of the summer in a location where
Speaker 1: it's incredibly hot. So I would say every single one
Speaker 1: of those things is checked off for us right now.
Speaker 2: If people ever want to wonder how much Low and
Speaker 2: I actually do like watching Mariners baseball. The fact that
Speaker 2: we're sitting here as the team is playing as terribly
Speaker 2: as they possibly could going into the All Star break,
Speaker 2: and we're talking about the team at nearly one am
Speaker 2: on a Wednesday.
Speaker 1: There you go, after our busiest week of the year.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're completely sicks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're psychopaths are sitting here and talking about, of
Speaker 2: all teams at this early morning hour, the Seattle Mariners.
Speaker 2: But you know, here we are. This week was great though.
Speaker 2: Got to see a lot of people, got to talk
Speaker 2: to a lot of people. We got to go on
Speaker 2: the red carpet for the first time. Actually sorry, not
Speaker 2: on the red carpet. We were next to the red
Speaker 2: carpet as media. That was pretty fun to get to
Speaker 2: interview players. We essentially got to take the role of
Speaker 2: like most fans for all of you that go to
Speaker 2: the park, Offen that like hound for autographs and they're
Speaker 2: you know, they're up behind the dugout and they have
Speaker 2: to shout at all the players just to get their
Speaker 2: attention for the slim chance of an autograph. Like That's
Speaker 2: kind of how Low and I felt. It's different when
Speaker 2: you're you know, media on the field at a game,
Speaker 2: where you get to be on the dirt and they
Speaker 2: can see you eye to eye. You don't have to
Speaker 2: shout at them. But Low and I are essentially like
Speaker 2: screaming at all these like multi millionaires walking down the
Speaker 2: red carpet in front of us.
Speaker 1: We did shout at Livy done. She did not look
Speaker 1: our way, though unfortunately we did. I didn't shout at
Speaker 1: Livy Doune.
Speaker 2: Yeah he did.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so, what what would you chance?
Speaker 1: What would we have asked Livy the trivia question Libby
Speaker 1: Dunn's gonna know who hit two grand slams in an Inna.
Speaker 2: Some of the players didn't. Yeah, So what we did
Speaker 2: is essentially we uh for our Bullpen Banner channel. We
Speaker 2: came up with a handful of trivia questions and we
Speaker 2: were gonna do like eight players a piece to see
Speaker 2: how many of them could get it right. I mean,
Speaker 2: if Livvy Dunn's walking down the red carpet, then yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean she's sorry. I mean, she does have to ask,
Speaker 2: does have to answer the question?
Speaker 1: Well, she doesn't have to. I guess if we had asked,
Speaker 1: maybe she would have.
Speaker 2: Oh well, you never know unless you try. But apparently
Speaker 2: you didn't try. I mean I was holding the camera
Speaker 2: at this moment. Lyle was the one on the rail
Speaker 2: trying to ask.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, if people want to peek behind the curtain,
Speaker 1: Paul Skeens does essentially nothing in terms of media, like
Speaker 1: it's it's almost to be done. I watched her do
Speaker 1: an interview across the way from us, that's true, So
Speaker 1: I mean, and she did a few things.
Speaker 2: So lesson learned for next year. Come up with a
Speaker 2: good question for Libby Dunn. Yeah, sure, maybe on the podcast.
Speaker 1: That would be something I will say, it is very
Speaker 1: odd doing what we did on the red carpet today.
Speaker 1: We had a blast. We did an absolute blast do
Speaker 1: on the red carpet. It was very fun, it was
Speaker 1: very different. It's unique. And let me clarify something that
Speaker 1: TJ said. When TJ says were like yelling at the
Speaker 1: players to try to ask him a question. That's all
Speaker 1: the media that's on the right carpet, right, That's not
Speaker 1: just us. Like any media person that's out there and
Speaker 1: wants to ask them a question and has a phone
Speaker 1: out or a video camera out and is trying to
Speaker 1: ask them something. That's how you have to get their
Speaker 1: attention when they're walking down the red carpet. It's the
Speaker 1: only thing you can do, which is totally totally, transparently,
Speaker 1: transparently out of my comfort zone. And I know this
Speaker 1: is how fans have to go get players attention to
Speaker 1: get autographs. I don't think I could really ever do
Speaker 1: that if I was a fan in the stands. I
Speaker 1: just feel like, personally a little odd, like trying to
Speaker 1: scream at a guy and get their attention. You need
Speaker 1: something from them, Like TJ said, when we're on the field,
Speaker 1: it's different because you can just ask normally some say yes,
Speaker 1: some say no, and we've talked about that, but the
Speaker 1: yelling out at them in a packed environment is totally
Speaker 1: out of my comfort zone. That being said, you do
Speaker 1: what you have to do to try to get some content.
Speaker 1: And we got through two of the questions with about
Speaker 1: we did fifteen. Yeah, so we did a set of
Speaker 1: eight and a set of seven with two different questions.
Speaker 2: And it was fun. Like a quarter of the All
Speaker 2: Stars I think totally got across her.
Speaker 1: It was fun, and we got some of the good
Speaker 1: ones like we get like some of the guys with
Speaker 1: the Bullpen Banner Channel that we've done a bunch with,
Speaker 1: kurtz Adlie Rushman, Bobby Yeah, Bobby WIT's always been good
Speaker 1: with us, So like those guys, and then if some
Speaker 1: others sprinkled in. But yeah, it's very very different the
Speaker 1: right carpet.
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, when there's like five thousand people all
Speaker 2: screaming their names at once, I mean, you just got it.
Speaker 2: You gotta be louder than everyone.
Speaker 1: Else, right, And I will say, pretty similar to what
Speaker 1: a red carpet. It's something like that. The oscars would
Speaker 1: be like that's kind of how it is. Everybody's screaming
Speaker 1: at them, everybody's trying to get their attention. It's not
Speaker 1: that different than the I mean, the MLB red carpet
Speaker 1: has its similarities to a red carpet like the oscars.
Speaker 2: And all the players are I would say, most of
Speaker 2: them are doing the exact same thing as they should.
Speaker 2: And if I was them, I would do the exact
Speaker 2: same thing. You got like tunnel vision, like you're not
Speaker 2: like if you stop to like too many people then like,
Speaker 2: first of all, it was hot, we were baking. I
Speaker 2: think my brain like boiled to like a soft boiled
Speaker 2: egg while we were standing out there on the red carpet.
Speaker 2: But like you know, you you say yes, too many people,
Speaker 2: then you feel, you know, obligated to go to more.
Speaker 2: And then you could spend forty five minutes on the
Speaker 2: red carpet, which most of these guys don't really want
Speaker 2: to do, especially in a suit. Oh so so so hot.
Speaker 2: So they're they're walking at you know, a brisk pace.
Speaker 2: They'll stop here and there. A lot of the pitchers
Speaker 2: would always stop for pitching. Ninja who was right next
Speaker 2: to us, Yeah, rob our guy, great, he's got so
Speaker 2: much poll with all the guys, even the guys who
Speaker 2: never talked to Meta that much, like Chris Sale. I
Speaker 2: could hear him as he's walking by. He's like, he's like,
Speaker 2: you know, I he was. He was waving off a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff. And then he tells his wife, Oh,
Speaker 2: I got to stop for him, to stop for him,
Speaker 2: He's got to stop for pitching Ninja, and he did.
Speaker 1: Chris Sail's another guy that does not do a lot
Speaker 1: of interviews, but he pitching Ninja.
Speaker 2: That he did, right, So that I mean, if you
Speaker 2: show up and you show face in front of a
Speaker 2: lot of these guys, they will, you know, they'll recognize
Speaker 2: you and they'll they'll do content with you. So I mean,
Speaker 2: it was like it was. We ended up with a
Speaker 2: very solid batch on the first day. We did not
Speaker 2: get Randy. We did not get Randy.
Speaker 1: Now I think Randy had some tunnel vision too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too, Like I think a Max
Speaker 2: Meyer the Marlins picture who the Mariners faced They faced him, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they did face him. That's what I thought. He let
Speaker 2: off the red carpet. I think he was up and
Speaker 2: down the red carpet maybe sixty seconds. It was fast bad.
Speaker 2: I was like wow, like wow, wow, Like that's someone
Speaker 2: who doesn't really want to talk. But again it's like
Speaker 2: it's hot out. These guys have a game to prepare for. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're wearing a suit, so the walk really fast.
Speaker 1: They do. But we have our guys on the Bullpen
Speaker 1: Banner channel too, like Attlee. As soon as he saw us,
Speaker 1: he stopped, he dappedes Zop. He's like, you know, shoot
Speaker 1: me with the question, or like, you know, shoot the
Speaker 1: question at me. And you know he's great among among others.
Speaker 1: So if you want our All Star Week experience, I
Speaker 1: would say that was probably the most unique thing from it,
Speaker 1: the most out of body experience TJ and I probably
Speaker 1: had because it was something we don't usually do.
Speaker 2: But it was very fun and it was kind of
Speaker 2: last minute. I mean we didn't get approved for that
Speaker 2: until we got here.
Speaker 1: I mean most I think they sent out the emails
Speaker 1: pretty late for that. So in general, so yeah, once
Speaker 1: we knew prepared for it and you know, give it
Speaker 1: our best shot and we got something out of it.
Speaker 2: And the other best thing about this is getting to
Speaker 2: network with a bunch of other professionals, which is really nice,
Speaker 2: and get we ran into plenty of pod listeners while
Speaker 2: we were here that made the trip either from Seattle
Speaker 2: or from other places. To all of you who listen
Speaker 2: from out of state, I mean, it means so much
Speaker 2: that you do that. So thank you guys so much
Speaker 2: for all of you that we met here. So yeah,
Speaker 2: that part's pretty cool. And getting to you know, travel
Speaker 2: a little bit and meet people and it brings lots
Speaker 2: of opportunities. Yeah, that's that part's really fun.
Speaker 1: And I love getting to see all the baseball content
Speaker 1: people that often we only get to see once a year,
Speaker 1: Like it's our chance to see a lot of them
Speaker 1: here at All Star Week and we did, and it's
Speaker 1: always a blast. It's funny. I kind of like, I
Speaker 1: think I have a content addiction. I'm gonna be real, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I just love it, which I guess means
Speaker 1: we're doing the right thing. But I have a like
Speaker 1: for me, it's almost never enough, Like I always want more,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, everything we do, I'm always
Speaker 1: focused on what we don't do.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: So it's just a bad habit of mine. For example,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a I'm going to be a best man
Speaker 1: in my closest friend from growing up, his wedding this weekend,
Speaker 1: and it's going to be a blast, and I cannot
Speaker 1: wait for it, and I'm thrilled for them, and obviously
Speaker 1: I wouldn't miss it for the world, but there is
Speaker 1: a little part of me in the back of my
Speaker 1: head as I know Fanatic Fest is going on in
Speaker 1: New York City this weekend, which is another huge content event,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, there's all these people that are
Speaker 1: gonna be there and we're gonna miss it, and I
Speaker 1: can't go, and I wish I was going, even though
Speaker 1: I would not train it for the wedding. This is
Speaker 1: like the content edition, a content addiction that I have
Speaker 1: that I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: It's a very I was thinking of way to describe
Speaker 2: how you think about this, So that's a very accurate
Speaker 2: way to do it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like I have an addiction to it.
Speaker 2: I do always think you think more about what like
Speaker 2: what's ahead instead of what we actually have to currently
Speaker 2: do like today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh no, that's for sure. Yeah, because I'm always
Speaker 1: trying to like plan out the next thing, I guess.
Speaker 2: Or it's like lyle it's uh, it's twelve forty five.
Speaker 2: We got to record the podcast.
Speaker 1: M HM and then I'm thinking about other things. But
Speaker 1: this is also make it.
Speaker 2: We'll make it there eventually.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean next year when Tita doesn't have to
Speaker 1: get back to Seattle and I don't have something going
Speaker 1: on this weekend for sure. But yes, there's like always
Speaker 1: a million things I'm trying to plan out. This is
Speaker 1: why I got two hours of sleep at night when
Speaker 1: I was on Brock and Salt, because even when I
Speaker 1: knew I should go to bed, either I had stuff
Speaker 1: I had to get done, or I was planning out
Speaker 1: a million other things down the road, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's like, well, I should probably go
Speaker 1: to bed, and now I'm gonna get two hours of sleep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll probably get two hours of sleep tonight. So
Speaker 2: I'm gonna live your dream.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. There's our All Star Week recap for anybody
Speaker 1: who wanted it and anybody who was interested in it.
Speaker 1: It's always a blast. And you know, now I get
Speaker 1: to get back to Mariners Baseball in the second half.
Speaker 2: Oh, how fun? How fun is that?
Speaker 1: It's weird. I didn't see Dan Wilson on the red carpet.
Speaker 2: He was not on the red car.
Speaker 1: He was no, no, wait, he wasn't there.
Speaker 2: Well he put Bizarre too in instead of Munos in
Speaker 2: the seventh sending of Game seven.
Speaker 1: Well he did that. Oh I must have got yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. The Mirrors didn't go to the World Series,
Speaker 1: didn't they.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Munya John, he was so Dave Roberts, Yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Munyas wasn't in that game, was he? Well he was later,
Speaker 1: but not in the seventh Oh when they were losing.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, when they were losing.
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Speaker 2: and asks, is there a clubhouse problem? Wow?
Speaker 1: I mean, is there a perfect way for us to
Speaker 1: answer this? I know we're at the park often enough,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if we're around the clubhouse enough
Speaker 1: to definitively know. It certainly seems like the vibes have
Speaker 1: been off this year. It certainly seems like guys aren't
Speaker 1: quite as upbeat as they've been in years past. It's
Speaker 1: certainly been seems like there's been some riffs at points
Speaker 1: this year, not just with Cal and Randy, but with
Speaker 1: Luis and Randy. About a week ago. Now, as you
Speaker 1: guys are listening to this episode with the whole incident
Speaker 1: in Tampa and the piggyback stuff, it does just feel
Speaker 1: a little off right. I can't say if I can't
Speaker 1: say if there's definitively an issue, but something does feel off.
Speaker 2: I think there's a difference between a problem and stuff
Speaker 2: just being off. I feel like when there's a problem,
Speaker 2: you're seeing teammates throw each other under the bus, You're
Speaker 2: seeing verbal altercations in the dugout, you're seeing more public displays.
Speaker 2: I know there was a bit of a stare down
Speaker 2: for but honestly, like a good clubhouse, that would happen anyways,
Speaker 2: because I mean, Randy didn't run after a fly ball,
Speaker 2: and then Luise gave up a home run right after.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how many other ways you're supposed to
Speaker 2: react to that. It doesn't seem to me like there
Speaker 2: is anything that would suggest there's a clubhouse problem. But
Speaker 2: that's just from the perspective from where we are right now.
Speaker 2: It's just it's just hard to like that's a that's
Speaker 2: a question for a beat writer. If we're gonna have
Speaker 2: Ryan Devish or Adam Judah and we were to ask
Speaker 2: them like they would be the ones, so you could
Speaker 2: give an answer on that.
Speaker 1: But even they might not have a perfect feel for it.
Speaker 1: They're in the clubhouse talking to guys, but they're not
Speaker 1: in there every minute of every day. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of things that teams can keep under wraps and close
Speaker 1: to the vest that they don't like get out to
Speaker 1: the media, even those guys, So there's no perfect way
Speaker 1: to know. They might have the best chance of knowing
Speaker 1: for somebody that's not on the team, but it's often
Speaker 1: a hard thing to know for sure. I mean, again,
Speaker 1: there's no Gene Ciguras and DQ fighting like this on
Speaker 1: this team. That's how you know there's a real clubhouse problem.
Speaker 1: There hasn't been that, yeah, but well yet.
Speaker 2: That did happen later in the season.
Speaker 1: It's true after they were eliminated from playoff contention.
Speaker 2: Not saying that's going to happen. I just don't think
Speaker 2: there's anything to suggest right now there's actually a problem
Speaker 2: maybe amongst the players in the clubhouse. I think that's right,
Speaker 2: just kind of hard. We only can see, like all
Speaker 2: of you, what's on TV for the most part.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So, Alex has a question on Patreon. Alex's question is
Speaker 2: the Manners entered the season with some of the highest
Speaker 2: expectations they've had in years. Looking at the first half,
Speaker 2: do you think they've mostly been victims of bad luck, injuries, inconsistency,
Speaker 2: and poor sequencing. Or has the season exposed flaws and
Speaker 2: the way this team was built and got overshadowed by
Speaker 2: preseason hype.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was always a part of me last
Speaker 1: year that wondered how many of the team's issues covered
Speaker 1: up by a sixty home run catcher. That all being said,
Speaker 1: they got within eight out of the World Series. So
Speaker 1: there is a part of me that always has that
Speaker 1: thought in the back of my head. Merwin Jason Churchill
Speaker 1: said to us before the season he thought they needed
Speaker 1: two additional impact bats and they didn't do that. Maybe
Speaker 1: he was right, and maybe.
Speaker 2: The lineup looks kind of mid Maybe they.
Speaker 1: Did need more. Now, of course there's guys underperforming. Of course,
Speaker 1: there's injuries. Of course, there's been things that pop up
Speaker 1: that are gonna hamper any team that have happened to
Speaker 1: the Mariners this year. But yeah, I mean, now, looking
Speaker 1: at what Churchill was talking about about needing multiple impact bats,
Speaker 1: maybe he was right. Maybe you needed more just force
Speaker 1: in the lineup than you have could be.
Speaker 2: Or another way to look at this through the lens
Speaker 2: of last year is that the Mariners made the postseason
Speaker 2: and won their division with a three and a half
Speaker 2: week hot stretch three and a half weeks. While it
Speaker 2: defined last season, it could also mean that's not exactly
Speaker 2: who you are. It means that is an outlier performance
Speaker 2: and that in that moment got the Mariners into the postseason.
Speaker 2: But what they were the rest of the season was
Speaker 2: a team that was about five games above have five hundred,
Speaker 2: which this team is not even close to right now,
Speaker 2: so I can't even say they're at that mark. And
Speaker 2: then on top of that, the Mariners have had unlike
Speaker 2: last year, I don't even know if they had chronic
Speaker 2: underperformance in the lineup. Last year, they had chronic underperformance
Speaker 2: in the starting rotation, which I think has been made
Speaker 2: up for a little bit this year. It's a net.
Speaker 2: The bullpen is about the same give or take. So
Speaker 2: really the biggest difference is not having col Raley in
Speaker 2: that lineup, so or that version of cal or that
Speaker 2: you know that version that version of cal Raley. So
Speaker 2: that's sort of a long winded way of saying, like yeah,
Speaker 2: what are you getting at, man, I just lost my thoughts.
Speaker 1: See podcasting at two am.
Speaker 2: My great idea. Yeah, podcasting late late, late into the night.
Speaker 2: It's it's possible that the Mariners team last year is
Speaker 2: not totally reflected by their win total. That could be realistic,
Speaker 2: But what also can be true is that you look
Speaker 2: at this team on paper and you think this team
Speaker 2: should be an eighty seven win team floor right, based
Speaker 2: on the players they have in this lineup, the starting
Speaker 2: rotation and the bullpen. Like we were just begging in
Speaker 2: the in the preseason, this team could add a bat,
Speaker 2: maybe be a bat short, but they're gonna get a
Speaker 2: great performance from their starting rotation, they're gonna be healthy,
Speaker 2: which they happen for the most part, and they're gonna
Speaker 2: win a bunch of games. And that's not been the case.
Speaker 1: No, no, it hasn't. And you hope they can get
Speaker 1: themselves back on track. But yeah, again, I just continue
Speaker 1: to think back to last season about how much cal
Speaker 1: was able to truly cover up on his own. Now,
Speaker 1: to be fair to the Mariner's pitchers and to your
Speaker 1: point about them taking a step forward again this year,
Speaker 1: as we sit in the first half the Mariners ranked
Speaker 1: pretty high across the league in a lot of categories,
Speaker 1: which is a credit to them and what they've done.
Speaker 1: In totality is a pitching staff where the pitching staff
Speaker 1: is taking a step forward, the offense is significantly step back.
Speaker 1: A lot of that has to do with cal A
Speaker 1: part of it has to do with Julio hasn't hit
Speaker 1: his true hot streak yet, a lot of it has
Speaker 1: to do with Brendan Donovan being injured. A lot of
Speaker 1: it has to do with Josh Naylor taking a step back.
Speaker 1: So the two sides have not clicked at once. Has
Speaker 1: it happened all year? Pitching together, pitching an offense together?
Speaker 1: Has it happened all year?
Speaker 2: I'll also say that we had the complete story of
Speaker 2: last year's team sitting here right now. We don't have
Speaker 2: the complete story of this team right because the team
Speaker 2: last year at this point again was roughly the same
Speaker 2: record wise. I mean, we're pretty frustrated at this point
Speaker 2: last year. The only difference between this year and last
Speaker 2: year at this point is that the Mariners swept the
Speaker 2: Tigers going into the break last year, and the Mariners
Speaker 2: lost two of three right.
Speaker 1: Wait, swept the Tigers and then what going into the
Speaker 1: break Yeah, and the Mariners this year lost two of
Speaker 1: three to the Race. Oh they did.
Speaker 2: That's that's really did That's really I mean it's the
Speaker 2: same length of road trip going into the break.
Speaker 1: Well, I more think of a one in five road trip,
Speaker 1: not just that race series.
Speaker 2: But the Mariners in that road trip last year got
Speaker 2: swept by the Yankees going to Detroit where Brian wu
Speaker 2: was throwing a no hitter and blew the game.
Speaker 1: Remember that? Oh yeah you remember that. Yeah, vibes weren't really.
Speaker 2: Good out there.
Speaker 1: Pretty bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, but.
Speaker 1: Again, the Mariners had a sixty home run catcher then
Speaker 1: they were also they were coming off an All Star
Speaker 1: week where they had Kate Anderson fall into their lap.
Speaker 1: Cal won the home run Derby. They did have a
Speaker 1: good series against the Tigers, and Trek Scoogle like, vibes
Speaker 1: were up a little bit slightly. I don't think vibes
Speaker 1: are up. From Randy rose Arenas singling in the All
Speaker 1: Star Game, fair point.
Speaker 2: Yeah he got a hit tonight, he did. Okay, see
Speaker 2: that's it's so close. I was paying attention to the
Speaker 2: All Star Game tonight. Don't come to me with All
Speaker 2: Star gaming now for All Star Game of analysis, it's
Speaker 2: the wrong place. So I'm happy for Andy.
Speaker 1: I mean, he went one for two. It was a
Speaker 1: barely boring All Star game. Michel Vargas hit a bomb.
Speaker 1: I thought the ninth inning matchup between Mason Miller and
Speaker 1: Munatakamurakami was really fun because it was power versus power
Speaker 1: and Mason Miller won. But yeah, kind of a boring
Speaker 1: All Star game.
Speaker 2: Maybe the All Star Game does tell the story of
Speaker 2: the Mariners, and Mariners had five All Stars last year
Speaker 2: and won this year.
Speaker 1: That is true.
Speaker 2: Mariners took over All Star Week last year, some due
Speaker 2: to luck Kate Anderson was pure luck by lottery and
Speaker 2: the Angels, Thank you Angels again, and great individual performances
Speaker 2: by some of the guys in the first half, and
Speaker 2: the Mariners just haven't had enough of that, not at all,
Speaker 2: So there just hasn't been as much to celebrate all right.
Speaker 2: Next question comes from Xander on Patreon. Xander's question is
Speaker 2: if you had your choice to replace Dan, who would
Speaker 2: you guys choose and why as an interim and why
Speaker 2: this person as an interim manager.
Speaker 1: So it would have to be somebody on staff, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's usually, I mean usually how you do it
Speaker 2: unless you hire Dan Wilson, who's not on staff.
Speaker 1: They do an interview process for that. No, oh, that's weird, okay,
Speaker 1: and know just no, yeah, that's weird, all right? Who
Speaker 1: would I hire on staff if you had an interim manager?
Speaker 1: I mean, what's funny is I feel like Nigron would
Speaker 1: have been perfect for this, but he's gone. Now I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think who the right person for that I
Speaker 1: don't have. I can't sit here and say I would like.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Manny Act is the perfect selection.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you could say Pete Woodworth, but
Speaker 1: he's just more of a pitching guru I don't like.
Speaker 1: The other one would be Jake McKinley, who's the field
Speaker 1: coordinator and is a pretty smart dude. But he's also
Speaker 1: in his first year and I don't know if they
Speaker 1: decide on him or not.
Speaker 2: That almost never happens, like first year. He had managing
Speaker 2: experience in college, but it's like first year pro coach. Yeah,
Speaker 2: good luck.
Speaker 1: I mean again, we've talked to Jacob Bunch, really really
Speaker 1: smart dude, really interesting guy. I think he knows the stuff.
Speaker 1: So if I got to pick on the coaching staff,
Speaker 1: I'd say him, but the Mariners would probably just have
Speaker 1: it be Manny Active if they were going.
Speaker 2: To have an interim manager, because Manny's managed in two
Speaker 2: different stints in the big leagues. I don't think Manny
Speaker 2: would be great at managing the Seattle Mariners, but that
Speaker 2: would be the option. Now, yeah, kill no, because Xander says,
Speaker 2: this is specifically an intra manager. You don't have to
Speaker 2: hire the best candidate. You're just hiring someone to be
Speaker 2: in charge.
Speaker 1: Should we throw another candidate out there for long term?
Speaker 1: If they were going to go somewhere in the off
Speaker 1: season with this question, who are you thinking? You know
Speaker 1: who I'm thinking?
Speaker 2: Oh, I know who you're thinking. I'm asking you to
Speaker 2: tell people who you're thinking.
Speaker 1: So again, we had one conversation with this guy. It
Speaker 1: was a very good, extensive conversation. We must have sat
Speaker 1: and talked to him for like a half hour. The
Speaker 1: Mets have a bench coach by the name of Kai Korea.
Speaker 1: I would circle that name, not just for the Mariners,
Speaker 1: but in general in terms of future major league managers,
Speaker 1: because we both walked away from that and said, that's
Speaker 1: a big league manager and if it's not this second.
Speaker 1: It ain't gonna be long. He was in Cleveland under
Speaker 1: a very new Age driven organization. He was under Gabe
Speaker 1: Kapler in San Francisco. He's now under David Stearns with
Speaker 1: the Mets. He has loved in the modern baseball world.
Speaker 1: Paired with he is in his mid thirties. He is
Speaker 1: absolutely grinded and word his way up in a really
Speaker 1: short amount of time. I mean, this guy was managed
Speaker 1: like this guy was coaching what fifteen sixteen you baseball
Speaker 1: a decade ago, and then he was coaching NAIA Division
Speaker 1: III college baseball, and he just kept working his way
Speaker 1: up and up and up and up to now the
Speaker 1: fact he's the bench coach for the Mets in his
Speaker 1: mid thirties, and I think one very very short step
Speaker 1: away from being a big league manager. And if you
Speaker 1: need any of your own intel on Kai Korea, go
Speaker 1: watch any interview with the guy. I mean, sharp, witty,
Speaker 1: really really good communicator and speaker, and he is very
Speaker 1: very new Age driven. I mean I'm all in on
Speaker 1: the idea of Kai Korea in general as a big
Speaker 1: league manager. So if you were to do the part
Speaker 1: two of this question, I think TJ. Can vouch and say, oh,
Speaker 1: in this hypothetical, who would you want as your guy? Him?
Speaker 1: Kai Korea. Sure, very sharps, which I think is very important.
Speaker 1: He told us he really likes Seattle. Actually, he spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time here. He played plays college ball
Speaker 1: in Seattle. I think at either Seattle Pacific or Puget Sound.
Speaker 1: It's one or the other. Yeah, it was it was
Speaker 1: D two or D three. But he's spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time in the area, and I think he likes Seattle.
Speaker 2: If no relation to Carlos Korea by the way, No,
Speaker 2: but we're curious.
Speaker 1: If if we ever get to the point where we
Speaker 1: are talking about a open higher manager, you will hear
Speaker 1: the two of us banging the drum for this guy
Speaker 1: legitimately banging the drum. So learn that name Kai Korea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have anything else to that. Well pretty
Speaker 2: much said all of it. He is sharp, he's very sharp,
Speaker 2: very impressed.
Speaker 1: And it's and it's not just like oh he's a
Speaker 1: good talker, like oh, he like he really really gets
Speaker 1: it and knows baseball and knows the ins and out.
Speaker 1: It's like really really well And again, you should go
Speaker 1: listen to an interview with him. It's fascinating.
Speaker 2: Someday, someday he will be managing a Major League Baseball team,
Speaker 2: whether it be the Mariners or be a different team.
Speaker 2: I think he's going to do a really good job
Speaker 2: with that. He's definitely got a good, very good process
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Speaker 2: Me on Patreon asks how does the dependence on Cole
Speaker 2: Young impact his growth and long term outlook?
Speaker 1: How does it affect the Mariner's long term outlook.
Speaker 2: Or his long term outlook because he's been playing every
Speaker 2: day and he's you know, he's not getting shielded from
Speaker 2: anything he is. I mean, he's just like Colt Emerson
Speaker 2: right now, being essentially thrown to the fire to play
Speaker 2: through the ups and downs of being a young major
Speaker 2: league baseball player.
Speaker 1: But when you say dependence on coal Young, is that
Speaker 1: the team's dependence on coal, or is it coal's dependence
Speaker 1: on coal?
Speaker 2: The team's dependence on coal, the team's dependence on coal
Speaker 2: to now be in everyday second basement in Major League Baseball?
Speaker 1: Right, how does it impact his growth? You know, I
Speaker 1: don't think it does, because this is what the expectation
Speaker 1: was of him in year two, year one. There's obviously
Speaker 1: some growing pains, like there is for any young rookie,
Speaker 1: but I think this is how the development was supposed
Speaker 1: to go. Would I play Cole Young every single day? No,
Speaker 1: I think you should get the guy some days off,
Speaker 1: especially because he started to run out of gas at
Speaker 1: the end of last year. But I think this was
Speaker 1: always the plan for him. I don't think it. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's impacting his growth and development by playing
Speaker 1: every day. The only thing I think it would be
Speaker 1: impacting is in a positive way, because he is cementing
Speaker 1: himself as your everyday second basement.
Speaker 2: I think this is only a good thing because if
Speaker 2: he's gonna grow and be top five second baseman for
Speaker 2: a long time, then this kind of development is what
Speaker 2: he needs. So getting this opportunity to hit against both
Speaker 2: righty's and lefties and fine Tunis defense, which he's done
Speaker 2: a fabulous job this year. That's how you become one
Speaker 2: of the best second basement in baseball, and ultimately, for
Speaker 2: Cole that's how you become rich. So you become that's
Speaker 2: how you earn yourself a five year, seventy million dollar
Speaker 2: contract to play second base, whether it be for the
Speaker 2: Mariners or for someone else, I think is a it's
Speaker 2: a benefit to the Mariners, and I think it's a
Speaker 2: benefit to Cole Young as well. Like if if you're saying,
Speaker 2: like playing every day negatively impacts Cole like, okay, that's fine.
Speaker 2: Like who else plays second base for the Mariners right now?
Speaker 2: There's not like that many options, right, Michael Royal maybe,
Speaker 2: but like he just got to triple A.
Speaker 1: Call Ryan Bliss back up. I think he's actually swung
Speaker 1: it decently well in triple A. But again, he's been
Speaker 1: crushing Yeah, triple A, right, So I guess you could
Speaker 1: do that, But then that you have to create a
Speaker 1: roster spot by dropping somebody else.
Speaker 2: Ryan Bliss might earn his way back on the roster
Speaker 2: without benching Cole Young because he's been that good. So
Speaker 2: we'll see with that. Be so happy for Ryan just
Speaker 2: the nicest dude on planet Earth, so we'd be happy
Speaker 2: for him. But yeah, I think I think Cole Young
Speaker 2: playing every day is a positive. He's he's one of
Speaker 2: the most valuable players on the Mariners, right. That's kind
Speaker 2: of guy you want in your lineup every day. And
Speaker 2: if he's twenty two and doing it, then that's fantastic.
Speaker 2: Michael on Patreon asks if the Mariners miss the playoffs,
Speaker 2: other than Dan, what is the strategy in move We
Speaker 2: cannot run back the same roster. Clearly who gets traded
Speaker 2: in the off season or who comes up.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think one way or another, there's a
Speaker 1: pitcher getting traded at some point, and if you're gonna
Speaker 1: do that, you gotta get the right return for him.
Speaker 1: You just have to, especially if you're gonna trade somebody
Speaker 1: like Kirby with a lot of club control. I mean
Speaker 1: when I say a lot, either two years if it's
Speaker 1: this offseason, two and a half years, if it's at
Speaker 1: the deadline. You gotta make sure you get impacts back,
Speaker 1: because what through the Mariners continue to not have enough
Speaker 1: of bats impact bats, so you would have to get
Speaker 1: the right return. The problem is everybody needs bats in baseball.
Speaker 1: These days, especially in the American League. I don't know
Speaker 1: who's trading away quality big league offensive pieces. But what
Speaker 1: would the shakeup be if that's the question, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: would probably have to flip a starter and really get
Speaker 1: some young, controllable impact offense.
Speaker 2: For me, if they miss the playoffs, the starter feels
Speaker 2: like if the starter's getting traded, no matter if they
Speaker 2: make the playoffs or not. At this rate, there's just
Speaker 2: too many rumors swirling, and these these years of service
Speaker 2: time are just counting down and down and down and down.
Speaker 2: So it's gonna happen. At some point, someone's gonna get traded,
Speaker 2: whether it be at the deadline or in the offseason.
Speaker 2: If they were to miss the playoffs and then go
Speaker 2: into this offseason, what would I be targeting. I would
Speaker 2: be targeting corner infielders, in corner outfielders with high offensive upside.
Speaker 2: I would try and find pretty much anyone you could do,
Speaker 2: any any any batch of players at any of those
Speaker 2: positions that you could find.
Speaker 1: Well, except Naylor's locked into this contract.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you have third base open, sure, Yeah, Like
Speaker 2: what kind of impact is Brendan Donovan going to make
Speaker 2: next year? I don't know, Like we still we still
Speaker 2: don't know what if Brendan Donovan is going to make
Speaker 2: an impact this year on the Mariners, and it's just
Speaker 2: kind of hard to project out next year as well,
Speaker 2: and you have to I think hedge against that.
Speaker 1: Well as we're sitting here recording on Tuesday. Maybe more
Speaker 1: information will come out in the next couple days, but
Speaker 1: as we're sitting here on Tuesday, he again didn't play
Speaker 1: in a rehab game in Arizona on Tuesday. I mean,
Speaker 1: the expectation was this was supposed to start soon and
Speaker 1: it hasn't yet. Yeah, I don't know what's going on there.
Speaker 2: So you've got to approach the offseason not expecting nothing,
Speaker 2: but you need you're expecting that you're going to get
Speaker 2: more impact from somebody else while Brendan Donovan's skills can
Speaker 2: perhaps be used elsewhere on the roster. So that's kind
Speaker 2: of what I would target in terms of a full
Speaker 2: offseason flush, Like, you can't really do that. I mean,
Speaker 2: Cold got extended, Cole's got a ton of control, Julio's
Speaker 2: got a big contract, Cal's got a big contract, Naylor's
Speaker 2: got a big contract. You're not gonna upend your starting
Speaker 2: rotation beyond probably the one pitcher you trade, and you're
Speaker 2: not gonna upend your bullpen because there's really good pieces
Speaker 2: in there. Like, what do you flip over?
Speaker 1: Well, could two starters get traded, because again, you'll have
Speaker 1: essentially nine of them next year next year if you
Speaker 1: trade nobody. Let's go through it again, Gilbert wu Miller, Castillo, Hancock, Kirby,
Speaker 1: Cad Sloan, Logan Evans. Could you trade both Castillo and
Speaker 1: Kirby try to get some real offense back.
Speaker 2: I don't know who's paying the price you would want
Speaker 2: for that, though, I just I don't. I don't see
Speaker 2: that if it's if it's trading your starters to get better,
Speaker 2: especially multiple, it's gonna be hard enough to get one
Speaker 2: equal value for one of those guys, let alone bo
Speaker 2: both of them.
Speaker 1: She's gonna be a weird log jam, especially with Caden Sloan,
Speaker 1: who eventually are gonna just have to pitch in the rotation.
Speaker 2: Which is where we're in this weird position where you know,
Speaker 2: if you don't think this current Mariner's talent set is
Speaker 2: good enough to win a World Series, I can't blame you.
Speaker 2: But then we go into this offseason, it's like Okay,
Speaker 2: what really changes. Like Randy's a free agent, JP's a
Speaker 2: free agent. You might trade a starting pitcher, but it's
Speaker 2: not a guarantee. Not a guarantee. And then it's like,
Speaker 2: all right, what else do you do? Like you dump
Speaker 2: Bluke Grayley.
Speaker 1: Well, that was the one other thing I was gonna say, Oddy,
Speaker 1: is that the.
Speaker 2: Difference between making a World Series?
Speaker 1: It's not. But I will say I think this roster
Speaker 1: is way too left handed heavy still, and I think
Speaker 1: Rayley and Canzone on the same roster doesn't really work. Now.
Speaker 1: I know, Canzone's hitting both sides of the plate now,
Speaker 1: which good for him because he's really hidden, but I
Speaker 1: don't think it really works. I mean too sort of.
Speaker 1: I mean, what do we call Canzone at this point?
Speaker 1: Is he's still a plat two common platoon? Okay, so
Speaker 1: you have one lefty who does hit righty's better than lefties,
Speaker 1: and then a platoon bat in Luke Rayley. It's just
Speaker 1: a weird fit together. Neither of them play good defense,
Speaker 1: neither of them, you know, neither of them have a
Speaker 1: great approach. It's kind of a similar fit, and I
Speaker 1: feel like one guy works for that where two makes
Speaker 1: it a little tough. It's not the difference between a
Speaker 1: World Series, but maybe they try to go balance that
Speaker 1: out with another right handed bat in the outfield.
Speaker 2: I just don't know what you would get for Luke
Speaker 2: Rayley again, Like, I'm just not seeing the that turnover
Speaker 2: without like a full roster upheaval, which they're not gonna do.
Speaker 2: There's just too much money tied in, there is too
Speaker 2: much talent on the roster for that to happen. I know,
Speaker 2: Like people get sick and tired of listening to this. Well,
Speaker 2: like the guys just need to play better. Yeah, that's it, right,
Speaker 2: Like you you need the Blue Jays season of last
Speaker 2: year where most of your offensive roster is performing at
Speaker 2: like a ninetieth percentile clip or.
Speaker 1: Better Rangers of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: That, like, that's just how it's gonna have to happen.
Speaker 2: And maybe that's just dumb luck. But unless that happens, guys,
Speaker 2: I'm just I don't see it. There's just not like
Speaker 2: an easy fix, which makes this situation kind of tricky
Speaker 2: if these guys can't get.
Speaker 1: It done this year, yeah, agreed.
Speaker 2: Cameron on Patreon asks how well the Mariners finished this year?
Speaker 2: A when the Division B Wild Card C miss the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I mean, my answer changes on this every day. I again,
Speaker 1: the Marlins series was the first time I really thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: this team has a chance to miss the playoffs. I
Speaker 1: still think that's possible. That being said, if you're asking
Speaker 1: me point blank, at the end of the day, I
Speaker 1: think the rest of the American League West is so
Speaker 1: bad that at some point they figure it out to
Speaker 1: win the division. Now, what they do in the playoffs
Speaker 1: totally different story, because they're not playing inspiring baseball, But
Speaker 1: the rest of the West is so bad. I think
Speaker 1: at some point they will find a way to claim
Speaker 1: the division one way or another.
Speaker 2: I also think they're gonna win the division this year.
Speaker 2: They could win the division with eighty five to eighty
Speaker 2: six wins, and yeah, there you go. It's not it's
Speaker 2: not saying they're going to be a great team. It's
Speaker 2: not saying they're even as good as they were last year.
Speaker 2: But they will I think still win the division because
Speaker 2: this division still just stinks. The best opposition in your
Speaker 2: division is a team that is as mid as you
Speaker 2: could possibly think, in the Texas Rangers. It kind of
Speaker 2: tells you the story. Yeah, Robert on Patreon asks or
Speaker 2: says Randy needs to go. What are your guys' thoughts?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's on another team that if
Speaker 1: that's what you mean, Like, I think this is his
Speaker 1: last season in Seattle, so at some point he Well,
Speaker 1: I'd be surprised if the Mariners traded him at the deadline.
Speaker 2: It just wouldn't make any sense to trade your best
Speaker 2: player off your roster. Yeah, and that's frustrating for a
Speaker 2: lot of people who don't like watching Randy play, and
Speaker 2: certainly this last week, I really didn't like watching Randy play.
Speaker 2: Randy really drives us both up the wall with the
Speaker 2: way he plays. But the facts are the facts that
Speaker 2: he's been your most valuable player this year and that
Speaker 2: the team would be worse without him, right, So what
Speaker 2: are you gonna do? Your hands are tied behind your
Speaker 2: back at this point. I can't see them trading Randy.
Speaker 2: I also would not trade Randy at the deadline. You
Speaker 2: wouldn't get anything back for him either. Like he's good,
Speaker 2: he's good, but trading him with two months of control
Speaker 2: left of the deadline doesn't really get you that much.
Speaker 1: For a guy that you know is gonna leave in
Speaker 1: free agency. And has problems on defense, and yeah, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't get much of a return. You know what I'd
Speaker 1: rather do just keep Randy the rest of the year,
Speaker 1: get the most out of him for the rest of
Speaker 1: this season, and then get the compick when he walks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm the same way. I think the same way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think they just sit pat with Randy and yeah,
Speaker 2: as frustrating as again this sounds, just let Randy do
Speaker 2: what Randy does, because that's how it usually goes.
Speaker 1: The Mariners will extend the qualifying offer, he will almost
Speaker 1: immediately decline, especially as a Scott Boris client. He will
Speaker 1: go to another team, and the Mariners will get the compick. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Final question of this mailbag comes from Nick on Patreon.
Speaker 2: Nick's question is, let's assume the Mariners continue on this
Speaker 2: path sub five hundred ball and let's assume both of
Speaker 2: these scenarios will come true. Which is worse or better
Speaker 2: in this case depends on your perspective. Lele. Number one,
Speaker 2: Dan is let go before the fifty Greatest Players ceremony
Speaker 2: and there is this awkward in memorial moment when his
Speaker 2: name is called. Or two Dan remains manager and when
Speaker 2: his name is called during the ceremony of booze basically
Speaker 2: ruins the ceremony.
Speaker 1: Dude, are we getting to that point where he may
Speaker 1: get booed? I mean the thing though with that is
Speaker 1: they announce his name every game, like for the starting lineups,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't really happen.
Speaker 2: But in this scenario, he'd be running out on the field.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But when opposing players are in town and their
Speaker 1: name gets announced in the lineup that others don't like,
Speaker 1: AKA the core of those Astros players like Altwove still
Speaker 1: always gets booed when the lineups announced. Kray gets booed,
Speaker 1: Bregman gets booed. Doesn't really happen with Dan, But I
Speaker 1: don't know Fair.
Speaker 2: They haven't returned home from this trip yet, James.
Speaker 1: That's true. I remember in twenty twenty five, Yeah, last year,
Speaker 1: after that horrendous offseason, with everything else that's been piled
Speaker 1: up in the Mariner's ownership group over the years, I
Speaker 1: mean we had real talks about it. Stanton getting booed
Speaker 1: at this ceremony for who's allowed Toro fore chero O
Speaker 1: and and even after a nailor Geno trade deadline, I
Speaker 1: mean there's there's still there's still somebody. He kind of
Speaker 1: got booed. He got booed. But well, that's a different story.
Speaker 1: I I mean, there is a chance. I can't sit
Speaker 1: here and say there's not a chance. There is, But
Speaker 1: I don't know. So many casuals go to Mariners games,
Speaker 1: you never know.
Speaker 2: So which is like worse though? Or better? Again? Nick
Speaker 2: says worse. I'm gonna say it's worse for the Mariners.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's look at it like that. Which is worse
Speaker 1: for them?
Speaker 2: I think it is worse for number two.
Speaker 1: Two's worse. That's probably right.
Speaker 2: Because the ceremony, the ceremonies always mean a lot to
Speaker 2: the Mariners, as it should. They put on a really
Speaker 2: good job with their marketing events with these ceremonies. So
Speaker 2: a lot of booze to the current sitting manager of
Speaker 2: the team right in the middle of the ceremony would probably, yeah,
Speaker 2: feel a little awkward.
Speaker 1: Probably, I mean that would be a clear message that
Speaker 1: the fan base is sending.
Speaker 2: I'll say that, well, yeah, while they're while the team
Speaker 2: is trying to send convey the other message and a
Speaker 2: vote of confidence in Dan Wilson, you know, meanwhile the
Speaker 2: other one, Look, would it be a little awkward definitely
Speaker 2: would be a little awkward. But here's the thing though, Like,
Speaker 2: like Dan's still getting paid, he's he's also far from
Speaker 2: the face of the ceremony. Yeah, when when you get
Speaker 2: let go from any role in MLB, like especially mid season,
Speaker 2: you get paid for the rest of the season.
Speaker 1: Dude, Alex Korra is sitting so pretty he's right now
Speaker 1: seven million dollars the next two years, he's he's probably
Speaker 1: in a warm weather state, just relax feed up and relaxing,
Speaker 1: Like what does he care?
Speaker 2: And in that moment, like, would it be a little
Speaker 2: awkward for Dan Wilson. Yeah, maybe he wouldn't show up.
Speaker 2: That's totally possible. But I don't think that's quite as
Speaker 2: bad as like the sitting manager of the team taking
Speaker 2: the field with the fifty greatest Mariners of all time
Speaker 2: and getting universally booed. I think that would be worse.
Speaker 1: I think that's right. I mean again, if scenario one
Speaker 1: were to happen, Like we're talking about a guy with
Speaker 1: a career eighty WRC plus as a Mariner, Like his
Speaker 1: career as a mariner's nothing to write home about. I
Speaker 1: think that, like other guys, will be remembered at that
Speaker 1: ceremony when you've got Felix out there and each Hiro
Speaker 1: out there, and Griffy out there and Edgar out there,
Speaker 1: like that's what people will remember, and there'd be fifty
Speaker 1: guys out there. Dan Wilson would be one guy in
Speaker 1: that scenario. I think you just kind of announced his
Speaker 1: name and move past it. Again, It's not like this
Speaker 1: is Ken Griffy Junior. His career was. I know he's
Speaker 1: in the Mariners Hall of Fame, which again we've had
Speaker 1: our talks about that whole thing. But again, yeah, like
Speaker 1: he was twenty percent below league average as a hitter
Speaker 1: for his career. He was just like he was a
Speaker 1: catcher in Major League Baseball who happened to be on
Speaker 1: the same team as Griffy and Edgar and Randy. Like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I think you just moved past it. So yeah, my
Speaker 1: answer is number two. Nick agreed, good mailbag. As always,
Speaker 1: you guys always bring up with the mailbag questions. So
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Speaker 1: better second half of Mariner's Baseball. I mean, all we
Speaker 1: can do is sit in hope. We can only sit
Speaker 1: in hope. You would say, he can only go up
Speaker 1: from here after the that's road trip. Let's hope, man,
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