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Speaker 1: chapel my not and like me laugh really sarcastic Lad,

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00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: and I felt like I wasn't getting through either. They

428
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: don't know who I'm talking about. They just don't believe it.

429
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: And then that's why I want them. If you could

430
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: give me information they would lead to that that's what

431
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: I want. And we had some like conversations that were

432
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: like they're vague to me because of what I was

433
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: feeling was soberpowering, like of nervous, so, you know, guilt fear.

434
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: I told me, know, I need to keep this between

435
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: us because my life would be as my family's life

436
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: at And towards the end of the conversation it wasn't long.

437
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: He tells me, the one thing I can tell you

438
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: is that but it would be the most valuable thing

439
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: you can do is start if you can documented some

440
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: of these conversations. I'm like, they're like, how like recordings. Well,

441
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: I can't necessarily tell you do that right now, but yes,

442
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: if you can't. So I went to radio shop and

443
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: buy a bunch of recording device. Radio shack was getting

444
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: another Florist Twin as a customer. Pete went to the

445
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: same radio shack and brought the same recorder that his

446
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: brother j had originally used to record Loope at Chapo's request,

447
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: but this time the recorded would be used to get

448
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: chop out himself on tape. What were the recording devices

449
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: like like a silver one with I remember, had like

450
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: an orange a screen and they had a USB connection

451
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: to her, and then it was like a big blue one,

452
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: Like the silver was small, but the bloom was a

453
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: little bit thank you bigger. In the first conversation I

454
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: recorded was a shipment for like four kilos, and the

455
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: fens were supposed to be like helping me a coordinate

456
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: to seizure and how we were like still like Rocky.

457
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: It was Rocky, Like they're telling me come in. They

458
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: want you to come in, like turn yourself into the cussory. Yeah,

459
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: the the US government, and then they don't let you go,

460
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: Like no way, I'm not doing that. I'm like I'm not.

461
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: That's definitely something I'm not done. Oh well, the office

462
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: don't have the authority too, you know, to negotiate with

463
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: a future tip. I'm like, okay, thank you. Then let's

464
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: move on, you know. Getting clearance, I guess from the

465
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: Department of Justice, business and things like that took some time.

466
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: And when I was first trying to show them that

467
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: I was serious. Now give him like a load just

468
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: to show them. Okay, this is like men beginning to

469
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: give them one of your own lays. Yeah, I mean

470
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: I was trying to hook them in, hook them in,

471
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: make them want to understand like what we're capable of

472
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: doing for them. They were like not able to promise

473
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: me that my family would be kept safe or that

474
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: my name would be off any kind of all documentation.

475
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: And I was like, I can't do that. Then, like

476
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: if you get to go rest people put my name

477
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: on it, then you blew my over there and kill me.

478
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: Tittle mom, I've been getting these many you know, I

479
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: get two three loads, were two loads a week, eight

480
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: ten times a month, doing many kilos. I told him, look,

481
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: I got a load of for the killos coming, so

482
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: they couldn't like get their stuff together. The next conversation

483
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: we had was like maybe ten days later, and they're like,

484
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: what did you do with the load? So why I

485
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: went with the load like a km and what you're

486
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: doing when I shold it? And they're just quiet? What

487
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: did they expect me to do? What would have happened

488
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: if you hadn't done that would play in your COVERA

489
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: of course, I think people understand when you're at a

490
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: bringing that level, like there's no weekends off. The cartel

491
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: sells drugs. That's what they do every day. Some people

492
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: aren't charged. They're killing people. Some people are charge of,

493
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: you know, corruption, some people are charge of moving the drugs.

494
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: We sold drugs and we're picking up shipments and dropping

495
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: off money every day, where you know, there's something being

496
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: transported money and drugs day in and day out. And

497
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: they would have been so rare for me to be like,

498
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: I'm not going to accept the load for me, or

499
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna this just didn't happen. I just never happened,

500
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: especially not during the time where there's a war and

501
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: they're telling you to pick sides. That was ridiculously stressful

502
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: that you couldn't stop. I wish I could have just

503
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: stopped and told everybody, you know what, let me get

504
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: some time to figure this out. But there was no

505
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: pause button, and to tell them that hold on, don't

506
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: send me no work or something, don't send me a

507
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: cocaine would have been like made them be like, why

508
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: are they choosing sides? So, by the way, whether it

509
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: was made them suspicious if choosing sides or the fans.

510
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: They would have just killed you as soon as I

511
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: was some suspicion. Yeah, and it's sad to think that

512
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 1: you could be so brave and be such a big

513
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: shot in your own eyes or something and just be

514
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: a sitting duck. M It took a lot of this

515
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: talking back and forth, trying to find out how is

516
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: this going to work? We are fugitives. The United States

517
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: does not negotiate with fugitives. We couldn't actually talk about

518
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: how would all agreement work. At one time they wanted

519
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: us to fly to the closest district and plead guilty

520
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: and then they would let us back up or something

521
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: like that, you know, to corporate And that was not

522
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: a chance that I mean, my brother were gonna take

523
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: it like you want me to go over and Figures

524
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: did come back with no deal. Like we said, absolutely

525
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: Now we had to make sure that when we were

526
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: in Mexico and it was our lives and our family

527
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: that we were going to be charted, we didn't need guidance.

528
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: And I guess it turned out that since we were fusitive,

529
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: they couldn't negotiate. So it was a good faith cooperation.

530
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna be cooperati with a good faith and then

531
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: see how it happens. And they really couldn't tell us

532
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 1: what to do because and then they hold the responsibility

533
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: of our lives being in danger in our family's life.

534
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: Technically they couldn't do that, and they didn't want to

535
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: do that. So basically it was like, Okay, you're gonna

536
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: corperate for like, I can't tell you how to do it.

537
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: So I used to be Hey, we'll listen, how do

538
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: you want to do this. One of the ages wants

539
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: to come with me to go see Chapel. And then

540
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: I'm thinking they feels jump about the air, like what

541
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: was going to happen? It doesn't work that way. They

542
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: need him build a Keith. And their main focus was

543
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: gonna be Chapel. Ah, yeah, yeah, I mean focus would

544
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 1: be Chapel. We're just trying to do the right deal.

545
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: It was like kind of right, not not real guidance.

546
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: They were worried about us. I never worried about the

547
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: case for sure. In order to hash out the details

548
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: of the good faith cooperation, the Feds and the Twins

549
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: would have to meet in person in exchange for turning

550
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: over Chapo. They wanted a visa for their brother and

551
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: fugitive father to be able to live freely in the US.

552
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: As far as Pete and j were concerned, that was

553
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: a non negotiable. If there was to be a deal made,

554
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: the FED sent a team of undercover agents down to Mexico.

555
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 1: They want to come down and meet us. It's gonna

556
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: be a neutral spot. And it was nerve working. What's

557
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: a neutral spot. It was a neutral spot where they

558
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: thought that we could go and be safe and they

559
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: could be safe. Did they pick Yeah, the first part

560
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: they picked was cobbles and lucas. I guess they'll fit

561
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 1: in right as stories and we would fit in there.

562
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: I think that was a little bit hard. They had

563
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: that conversation, who's going to go? I think that was

564
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: feeling rougher than't even thinking about who's gonna go see Chapbol,

565
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: Like if we had to decide we never met him, Like,

566
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: who's going to go and sit down with the government?

567
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: Did you impede sit and have the conversation? Oh? Did

568
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: you sit down in the bathroom again? Were in the

569
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: bathroom and they carried on in the bathroom. Every chance

570
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: we got was gonna be a bathroom. Thank god. We

571
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: had a nice bathroom and there is no Washington business

572
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: going on either. It was just conversation and I don't

573
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,959
Speaker 1: we call my brothers same mh, I'm gonna go Jane.

574
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: He took that responsibility. He said one of us had

575
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: to call, and we can't risk both of us. He said,

576
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to make that trip because we're thinking that

577
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: he could be arrested and you know who else going

578
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: to meet the fats. It was so like horrible my

579
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: first meeting. I got sick, like I was so like

580
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: messed up. I got sick on the plane. I got

581
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: on the plane, get threw up a lot to plane.

582
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: It threw up because as yeah, so it's just I'm

583
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: meeting the facts and there's like super pregnant. It's an

584
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: ugly time man, just telling my brother like just some kids.

585
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: They don't let me go scary. We're in the hotel

586
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: where my attorney is saying that I'm gonna leave there

587
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: at the hotel alone, and I'm like, I'm sorry, but

588
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: just cause I don't come back whatever it is, just

589
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: go home and go back to Chicago. You know, I

590
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: leave there with this sense of heaviness again. You know,

591
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: these situations that put myself and then put her in

592
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: and we're getting a taxi. You know, I'm trying to

593
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: get information from my attorney and he's like I can't.

594
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: We don't know. And I remember walking into the hotel

595
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: lobby like and looking around, I see like people looking

596
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: reading the newspapers. Like you think they don't do that,

597
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: but they do. Walking up they can elevate it to

598
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: the hotel, like that long hallway to the hotel room.

599
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: And then just knocking on the door. Who knows what's

600
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: behind the door? Yea, praying to God that that's one

601
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: of the good doors, you know. Having the guy opened

602
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: the door and just looking at him, I go through him.

603
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: I remember I could see like a room full of people,

604
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,919
Speaker 1: you know, behind them. Remember him telling me right away

605
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: like grand the wall and I'm like ohh And they

606
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: frisked me just for any weapons. They like, all right,

607
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: go ahead. I was like okay, I was waiting for handcuffs.

608
00:41:54,400 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: And then he introduced himself and I see everyone and

609
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: it's weird, you know, and they are kind of like

610
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 1: looking at me, like looking at each other, like really,

611
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: it's just the guy. And I noticed that you did

612
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: in those circumstances that they have comes and I'm like,

613
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: you didn't tell nobody I was here, right, and the

614
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: guys like I know you. He's looking like, yeah, I

615
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: know you. When he said that to me, I'm like,

616
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: he knows me? Wait, I said, are use the guy

617
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: from the gym? And he was like, yeah, how do

618
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: you know? I was like, you don't know me? I said,

619
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: you know my brother and like you don't want to

620
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: drive that, you know, black expedition. He's like, yeah, how

621
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: do you know that? And like everyone knows that my

622
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: brother was going to the stupid gym And he tells me.

623
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: And there's a guy in there, just like a fat

624
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: he'll be working on stuff, but you're looking around, but

625
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: he has a he's been wearing a barriede sweater. He

626
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: has like comparison what he's for it, you know. I'm like,

627
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: all right, just stop going to the gym. Just too bad.

628
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: And I stopped going with the people too, Like you're

629
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: not gonna imagine him with the phones and everything. The

630
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 1: next time, Jade calls me like, bro, it's the facts

631
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: that guy told you about. I followed him out like

632
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: he was in a black expedition with diplomatic plates. I'm like,

633
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 1: stop going to the gym, man, you know, stop playing

634
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: around with that. Just stop going to the gym. And

635
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: this agent turns out to be the guy from the gym,

636
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: then he's nerves like how do you know what cards? Right?

637
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: And then I have to go through this. I'm like, wait,

638
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: they know what kind of courage you, right, they know

639
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Speaker 1: what subdivision you're living because of your diplomatic plates. I said,

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Speaker 1: there's some one of you guys drive a lane cruiser,

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Speaker 1: you know, like looking at each other like I'm like

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Speaker 1: one of you guys has pit bulls or something, right,

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Speaker 1: They're like shocked. We kind of get into the conversations.

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Speaker 1: I remember the first thing I talked to him about

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Speaker 1: was like, look, I have I have a lot of

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Speaker 1: information for you guys, but I need to be reassured

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Speaker 1: and easier to know that I want. I want to

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Speaker 1: promise that and no harm is gonna be come to

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Speaker 1: my family, that you're gonna promise to keep them safe

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Speaker 1: and that then nobody in my family will be prosecuted

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Speaker 1: for any of the crimes related to my drug trafficking.

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Speaker 1: And it was like, do you think we can give

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Speaker 1: a funk about your family? I'm just saying though this

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Speaker 1: is the number one thing I don't want just to

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Speaker 1: I didn't come here for that. Kind of went through

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Speaker 1: the story of you know, to what degree involved in

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Speaker 1: the cartel, and they would just look at each other.

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Speaker 1: And when I would say that, and they're like, what

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Speaker 1: do you think you move a month? How much cocaine

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Speaker 1: do you think? Curiousity? And I'm momsly, basically, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, fifty units, two keys or something. I

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00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: can imagine like now the way that sounds. But at

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Speaker 1: the time, I was like, no big deal. I'm not

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Speaker 1: seeing it like no big deal. But it was just

665
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Speaker 1: like your life, you know, God look at each other

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Speaker 1: and they can't explain to me their position. I remember

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Speaker 1: the first time the prosecutor did threaten me a little bit,

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00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: like he got a little like back up. I looked

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Speaker 1: at my turn, like this fucking guy doesn't know. You

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Speaker 1: don't have to thriven me. I'm here to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing you can say. There's gonna you're not gonna

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Speaker 1: put bear in mind, like I'm here to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: I know what I'm looking at. What did you say?

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Speaker 1: I think about life in prison? And I'm like, I'm

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Speaker 1: here talking to you, like, wait, what's wrong. I guess

676
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 1: he had that in his mind, like to get a

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Speaker 1: little bit like show you who's boss and the way. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm here talking to you. I came

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Speaker 1: in here brilliant to speak to you. And of course

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Speaker 1: we discussed what I was interested in, getting the best

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00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: deal possible, you know, the talk of being truthful. I

682
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 1: have a lot of information that comes to realize that

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Speaker 1: they're saying that yeah, yeah, all that submarine talk and

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00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: all that tons of cocaine and pens and fifties and

685
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: millions of dollars and it's good, but it's not good

686
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Speaker 1: that we can't put a case around it. But we

687
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: needed a solid case and chops and we could get

688
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Speaker 1: him with the recording that leads back to a drug

689
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Speaker 1: seizure in Chicago. I promise you the best deal you

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Speaker 1: can ever imagine. You get, the besier the government has

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00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: ever given up. And I was like, that's it, just again.

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Speaker 1: Step It was one like that's how you want like,

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00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: and they are looking like I was crazy. I left

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Speaker 1: them feeling like kind of weird because no plan, Like

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking They're gonna come and be like here, look

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Speaker 1: at this is like a special pen with a GPS

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Speaker 1: and on specially like recording device. This is how you're

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Speaker 1: gonna do it. And we're gonna do this, and we're

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00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: gonna and it wasn't like that. It doesn't feel good

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Speaker 1: to me. They didn't really tell me nothing like we're

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Speaker 1: kind of on our own a little bit. I went

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Speaker 1: in there. I turned myself in with the hope that

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Speaker 1: everything wouldn't be turned out for the best. And the

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Speaker 1: one thing I had was that I provided extraordinary cooperation.

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Speaker 1: I do remember like my brother calling him, I want

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Speaker 1: to know details, and I remember him saying, Bro, they

707
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Speaker 1: don't know what the fun they're doing. They're lost. They're

708
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: just lost. I don't know if this is a good idea.

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Speaker 1: That didn't make us feel good. He was upset. He

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00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: came back. He was just frustrating, he said. I asked

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Speaker 1: on what they wanted. They said that they wanted to

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Speaker 1: phone conversation with Choppo, and I was like, all right,

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Speaker 1: and they looked at me. He said, how long did

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Speaker 1: you think he will take you? And he's like, non,

715
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Speaker 1: give me a couple of weeks, and they laughed. He said, bro,

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Speaker 1: they laughed at me. He was so upset with that.

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Speaker 1: He said that they made me write a diagram of

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Speaker 1: where we were were in the cartel, and he has

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Speaker 1: a piece of paper ricks he said, this is what

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Speaker 1: I drew and he writes the name Chop point Mayo

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Speaker 1: and a b l at was trying it and he

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Speaker 1: does three looks, fix a P which point don't you understand?

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