1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental health podcast 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: helping you out of the gray and into the blue. 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: Now here's Jay Glacier. 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazer. 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 3: I am Jay Glazier. 6 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 2: The great thing about this podcast is I get to 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: interview people who are not just friends but family. But 8 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: I've learned so much through over the years, and this 9 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: guy has changed so many of our lives by making 10 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 2: the sport of mixed martial arts a real job, a 11 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 2: real career. 12 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,959 Speaker 3: He's the original. I'm just teasing her before I say 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 3: who he is. 14 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 2: And look, if you're like many people, you may be 15 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: surprised to learn that one in five adults in this 16 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: country experience mental illness last year, yet far too many 17 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: fail to receive the support they need. Carol, My behavior 18 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 2: health is doing something about it. They understand the behavioral 19 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: health is a key part of whole health, delivering compassionate 20 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: care that treats physical, mental, emotional, and social needs in tandem. Carolyn, 21 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: behavioral health raising the quality of life through empathy and action. 22 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: That last word action, if there's somebody who knows what 23 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 2: that word is about. Action to so many words in 24 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: so many ways. It is my guest here, the living legend, 25 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: the winner of UFC one, two four, UFC Hall of Famer, 26 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 2: the guy who started it all, My brother Hoys, Gracie, 27 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 2: how are your buddy? 28 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 4: Hey? If they don't know who I am, google search 29 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 4: my name. 30 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 5: I used to ask Hoys to tell people who were 31 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 5: you know, hey, hey, in not in a cocky, arrogant way, 32 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 5: but to be proud of themselves and in instead of 33 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 5: Hoys saying and he was just saying, google me, like 34 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 5: that's not what we want to hear it. But if 35 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 5: you do google him, you'll find out that he won 36 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 5: the very first ever UFC, the second one, the fourth one, 37 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 5: UFC Hall of Fame. Just incredible that there's so many 38 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 5: things that we can learn from you, which we're going 39 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 5: to today, but I want to kind of hey, let's 40 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 5: let's go back. 41 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 3: How did they tell you that you were going to. 42 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: Compete in UFC one and it was gonna be you know, 43 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 2: no rules, open time limits, three guys in one night. 44 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: How did your family come and explain to you, Hey, 45 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: you're gonna be the one representing us. 46 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 4: Okay, there's so many of us, there's a lot of brothers, cousins, 47 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 4: everybody involved in the same business. So sometimes we're fighting 48 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 4: like hey, somebody notice me, notice me, Please give me 49 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 4: a chance. I can do this. And there's a lot 50 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 4: of world'll call reverse psychology in the family, so a 51 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 4: lot of no, no, no, no, no, you're not good enough. 52 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 4: Yet there's always gonna be somebody better than you, somebody older, 53 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 4: more experienced. So we're like, wait, is everybody in the 54 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 4: family always like, notice me, I can't do it. Put me, 55 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 4: put me a coach, Come on, coach, give you a chance, coach. 56 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 4: But when they came up to me and said, okay, 57 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 4: you're the one gonna my father and hard on, we're 58 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 4: gonna with you, I was like, Okay, they didn't they 59 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 4: didn't watch it. They noticed me. 60 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: Now it was validation for you. And yeah, So obviously 61 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 2: jiu jitsu is a lot different than, you know, than 62 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 2: mixed martial arts. What kind of nerves did you have 63 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: the first time in kids, because it was it was 64 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: new to all. 65 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 4: Of us there, it was new, but I think being 66 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 4: there done that before throughout my family. So I see 67 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 4: my father, my uncles, my brothers, cousins, everybody involved on 68 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 4: just doing this fighting. So fighting was something normal. By 69 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 4: the way, my father did not teach us how to fight. 70 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 4: He taught us how to teach. We can teach fighting. 71 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 4: It was just got nothing else to do. Let's go 72 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 4: pick a fight. That's just to prove the technique works. 73 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 4: But it was a lot of nerves before my fights. 74 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 4: And now before the fights, I'm asleep. My brothers have 75 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 4: to come in chick off my face, waking up nicely, 76 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 4: whisper can you please wake up? Brother? We gotta warm up. 77 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 4: It's like, okay, go ahead, actually laughed and rise, shaking 78 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 4: up and down. But again, why because I know what 79 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 4: I'm doing and I trust. That's a lot of trust 80 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 4: on them. They tell me to do it, I'll do it. 81 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 4: I've seen them do it before, so I trust the technique. 82 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 4: I trust their word. 83 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 2: And you know, I love this because people sit there, 84 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: go what he's asleep and for a lot of people 85 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: like that cag for you. It's a place to calm 86 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: where you're safe because you've trained in it and the 87 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 2: rest of the world is really scary and people can't 88 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 2: really comprehend that. 89 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 4: Again, it's because I know what I'm doing. Right, If 90 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 4: you put me in a football field or to be lost, 91 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 4: and again the coach in the football field will call 92 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 4: the play and go do it. Of course, there's a 93 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 4: lot of instinct things change and you cannot pull out, 94 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 4: but they can improvise right there on the spot. Same 95 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 4: thing with fighting for me, they will say do it. 96 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 4: It's like there's actually one of the fights Minocky Shihara 97 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,679 Speaker 4: on the r see two, I got on top of him, 98 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 4: and the brothers like yelling at me on the corner. 99 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 4: One is saying go for the choke. That was going 100 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 4: for the almelock that. It was like beat him up, 101 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 4: and I kind of stop and I look at them like, guys, 102 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 4: make up your mind. Pick one. 103 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 3: I'll do it. 104 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 4: But I cannot do all three at the same time. 105 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 4: I cannot beat him up choke and I'm buying him 106 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 4: at the same time. It's got a little difficult. It's 107 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 4: like I'm looking at them like, really, pick one. 108 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 2: There's like I talked about, you know, the nerves of fight, 109 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 2: but you have to feel a lot of pressure to 110 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 2: all pold the family. 111 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 3: Then that's a different level of pressure. 112 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 4: Yes and no. But I think my father my brothers 113 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 4: do very good on cleaning that up or taking that 114 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 4: out of me go do your thank you see, if 115 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 4: something happens, there's a better brother, bigger and better than you, 116 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 4: waiting to clean up if you mess up, So don't 117 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 4: worry about it. And if you mess up, there's another 118 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 4: one coming. There's a cousin. There's another cousin, another brother. 119 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 4: It's a big film. We will have a lineup to 120 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 4: clean up. 121 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 3: When you won that first it was three fights. 122 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 6: Nights, yes, three fights when I do no time limit, 123 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 6: no weight division, no gloves, no rules, when you want it, 124 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 6: were you're more excited or more relieved? 125 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 4: It was more relieved, more relief than excitement. Man, I 126 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 4: don't get excited very easy on stuff like this. It said, 127 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 4: I'm doing my job. So to me, I trained to win. 128 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 4: I didn't train to lose, So I don't get excited 129 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 4: because I won. I think my brothers, my father got 130 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 4: more excited than me. For me, it was more of 131 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 4: a relief that, Okay, I did it. I prove it 132 00:06:58,320 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 4: to them that I can do it. 133 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 3: Tell me all right. 134 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 2: When you go they get they wake you up in 135 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: the locker room and you gotta go down. Kind of 136 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 2: turn into that other guy when you get in that cage. 137 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: What goes to your mon, who do you turn into? 138 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 2: From the time you leave the locker room to the 139 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,679 Speaker 2: time that bell rings. 140 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 4: The locker room. They shake me up, they stratch me, 141 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 4: They make me try to bring my heart rate up. 142 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 3: What's your heart right back there before? 143 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 4: You can find below one hundred eighty maybe eighty. 144 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 3: But the rest of us all is fifty. 145 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 4: Right, it'll be like right now, seventy eight eighty. That calm, 146 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 4: and that's after warm up, blasted like hipped up. But 147 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 4: I think the second okay, I am not thinking about 148 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 4: going home that night. I'm not thinking about dinner. So 149 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 4: they might break your neck. You're gonna end up paralyzed. Okay, 150 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 4: I cannot see how that's gonna happen. Now, pay to 151 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 4: see it. Let's go. But he's punch will bake a 152 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 4: whole your chest if you punch you. Okay, I want 153 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 4: to see how that's gonna go. You see, I'm not 154 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 4: thinking about gina. I'm not thinking about going home. It's 155 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 4: a it's a tough mentality. It's not like if something 156 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 4: goes wrong, it's okay, something goes wrong, you tap nah, 157 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 4: you catch it on, go ahead and break it, take 158 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 4: it home with you. It's yours. Now you told you 159 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 4: got it, you got the choke. My result put me out. 160 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 4: I ain't thinking about quitting. 161 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: I think the most impressive thing you've ever done is 162 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 2: not those wins, but it was your ninety minute fight 163 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 2: against Scacarama six fifteen minute round. 164 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 3: Didn't win that one, but that for me was like, man. 165 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: You it's not too many times in life we get 166 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 2: to push ourselves way past anything we. 167 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 3: Ever could have dreamed of. What's going through your mind 168 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 3: as that fight is going on and on and on 169 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 3: in fifteen minute fight, it's an hour and a half. 170 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 4: It straight that I learned from my father. I did 171 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 4: my homework. I didn't sit down home eating popcorn, drinking, 172 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 4: so I did not know. I train. I'm in shade. 173 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 4: So if I get tired, he's tired too. It goes 174 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 4: both ways. It goes for me, it goes for him 175 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 4: when I get unless if I did not do my job. 176 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 4: But if I did my job, when I hit that 177 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 4: point of I'm exhausted, he's exhausted too. With Sakuraba, I 178 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 4: sat down and I told my brother and my father, 179 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 4: I can get up, but I cannot walk. There's something 180 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 4: wrong with my foot. I didn't know at the time, 181 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 4: but it was a partial tear hole ligament and a 182 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 4: crack on the shin from one of the cakes. So 183 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 4: I can get up, but I can't walk. So that's 184 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 4: when they said, let's not confuse toughness with stupidity. You 185 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 4: are ready prove that you're tough by being here. Continue 186 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 4: would be stupid. But if they told me get up 187 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 4: and go, I would say, Okay, let's do it. Get 188 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 4: up and go. 189 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 3: At what point in that fight, did you realize, man, 190 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 3: this is just different, Nah, I do. 191 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 4: I could go all night. It's like like like the 192 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 4: one for us is. When I thought uh UFC three, 193 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 4: I thought kimo, and then I went to the locker room. 194 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 4: There was like maybe ten minutes in between one fighting 195 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 4: the other. It was I was exhausted because I thought 196 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 4: the wrong way, went back to the locker room. They 197 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 4: took off my GI, threw me in a cold shower, 198 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 4: drive me up, put back the g and walk out 199 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 4: to fight. Right before I get on stage, I don't remember. 200 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 4: I remember laying down on the ground and I remember 201 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 4: getting out, but I totally pass out when I laid down, 202 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 4: Like I said, the guys, hold on, hold on, guys, 203 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 4: and I tooked alets sit and I laid down on 204 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 4: the ground. And then my brother also came up to me. 205 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 4: It's like, what do you need, bro? We need anything? 206 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 4: I said, can I guess some watermelon juice? And it's 207 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 4: like not right now if I don't get you as 208 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 4: much as what another you want, but right now, getta 209 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 4: get up. Let's go. We gotta fight. I don't remember, 210 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 4: I was already out. I passed out before they get 211 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 4: in the cage again. When I walk in the cage, 212 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 4: drummer cart came up to me. The pep talks like, 213 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 4: are you ready. It's like, yeah, I'm ready. As soon 214 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 4: as I feel him walk away, the light shuts down 215 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 4: because everything gets dack in front of me. That's when 216 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 4: I turned around and I told my brothers my father. 217 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 4: It was like, guys, I cannot see anything. It was 218 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 4: black with my eyes opened, but I cannot see anything. 219 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 4: Shut down and I drop my card. Saw something was wrong. 220 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 4: Came up to me. I feel him come up to me, 221 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 4: so I turned around. He goes, are you okay? I 222 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 4: was like, yep, I'm okay. I feel him walk away. 223 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 4: I turn around like guys, pointing on the right you 224 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 4: action because I cannot see anything do something that's not 225 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 4: the holds to the I was like, man, if you 226 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 4: cannot see man, it was dehydration. It was dehydration yep, 227 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 4: from the first fight really and not enough time to recover. 228 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 4: Came back and back then it was raw man. There 229 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 4: was no water. There's no no need to drink, just go. 230 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 3: We didn't know about recovery back then, no doubt. 231 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 4: No. 232 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 2: When you first started doing this, you set out and 233 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 2: I think you set out right to show the world 234 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 2: that grace of jiu jitsu was the dominant. Your marshal 235 00:11:58,520 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 2: d out there. 236 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 3: Could you ever or what point do you ever imagine 237 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 3: that it would lead to what you have seen Mixed 238 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 3: martial arts is turned into. 239 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 4: We've been doing this back in Brazil for a long time, 240 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 4: so it was just questioned. When he first came to America, 241 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 4: it was like, Wow, a new world. Nobody knows who 242 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 4: Edu Grace he is. Nobody knows grace jujitsu, so hard 243 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 4: don't figure out. I'm speaking his words now. He said, 244 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,359 Speaker 4: once America find out, the whole world you find out. 245 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 4: And that's exactly what happened. We've been doing this in 246 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 4: Brazil for a long time, but nobody knew about it. 247 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 4: But as soon as America found out, everybody in the 248 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:39,359 Speaker 4: world saw it. 249 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 3: It's one thing about it. 250 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 2: Okay, people in America see it, But the boy it's 251 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 2: catching on like this, I mean the level of what 252 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 2: it's become. 253 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 3: Hey, could you ever imagine that and be it? 254 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 2: At what point did you say, Wow, this is going 255 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 2: way beyond anything we ever dreamed we started it. 256 00:12:55,440 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 4: No, we dream about that. We saw that. It's like, 257 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 4: look at the movies at the time, it was Jean clave, Undone, 258 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 4: Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee. People enjoy watching the fighting and 259 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 4: the Mark Lars movies and people like that. When I 260 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 4: first came to America, how they used to say, hold on, 261 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 4: you go to a hockey game to watch a fight. 262 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 4: It's like people enjoy that. And a lot of people 263 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 4: did not believe the audience is going to be able 264 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 4: to pull that off? How are you going to put 265 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 4: two guys to fight legally on live TV? A lot 266 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 4: of people did not believe. A lot of a lot 267 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 4: of people bad against but he pulled it off. 268 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 3: What are you most proud of when you've done in 269 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 3: your career. 270 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 4: I'm proud of my kids I love my kids, hanging 271 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 4: out to them and just got back from Hawaii. Over 272 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 4: there hanging out an awesome time. Okay, Like my father 273 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 4: used to say, they're your kids until about sixteen seventeen 274 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 4: years old. After that, they're not your kids anymore. They 275 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:03,719 Speaker 4: become your friends. And that's became became friends. Just hang out, man, 276 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 4: it's just had fun. 277 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 3: What are you most proud of about your career accomplishments? 278 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 3: You're one formate you're most proud of there? 279 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 4: Oh, be able to win in front of my father, 280 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 4: sure to him that the legacy continue. 281 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 2: Wow, when you won that first fight, that first night 282 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 2: you got brought back, what was the locker room? 283 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 3: Like, take me inside that. 284 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 4: Okay. My father was against celebrating, and he said, when 285 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 4: you finished the fight, don't be doing dances and celebration 286 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 4: in front of your opponent. The opponent's already feeling bad 287 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 4: that he lost. There's no need for you to taunt 288 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 4: him more. So you win, thank you very much, shake 289 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 4: his head, be very respectful. So it's almost like it 290 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 4: looks like, oh, I didn't care, No I care, but 291 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 4: there's no reason to celebrate. And my god, it was 292 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 4: the greatest. But back in the locker room. He's like, yeah, 293 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 4: not even heard of all pointed because it's an action 294 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 4: put down. You see, my father was against that taunting 295 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 4: the appointed. You already win, you already won the fight, 296 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 4: or you're already to score your goal, your touchdown. Why 297 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 4: put down the opponent more? Do you see? So he 298 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 4: was against that. Be respectful in the locker room. Yeah, 299 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 4: we celebrate. 300 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, you said you're a great You're a great coach. 301 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 3: More than anything else. 302 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 2: What would Hoyst Bracy the coach have worked on more 303 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 2: with Hoyse Bracy the fighter, this version right now, going 304 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 2: back to down helping him. 305 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 4: I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't change a tame nothing. 306 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 4: If I changed something would have ruined everything. Wow, don't 307 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 4: change it. Live it like it is. I have two losses, 308 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 4: and the two losses it was meant to happen that way, 309 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 4: for me to learn, for me to shake the tree, 310 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 4: for the rock napples to fall off, to clean up 311 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 4: the house a bit. So it was meant to happen. 312 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 3: I think that's a huge thing. Also, that's what makes 313 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 3: you guys. 314 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 2: You know, somebody like you different or you couldtur different, 315 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 2: or you know the Allys and the phrasers like it 316 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 2: wasn't like about retiring undefeated, about who's the best, Let's 317 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 2: go fight them. 318 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 3: That's it. You take that ego part of it out. 319 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 3: It's completely different. 320 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 4: It's always pushing ourselves. But again, I cannot teach something 321 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 4: if I don't put it to the test. So putting 322 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 4: in the beginning was the style against the style. Today's 323 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 4: more of a mixed martial art that the grapplers learned 324 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 4: the stand up part, or the stand up guys learned 325 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 4: how to grapple. But back then there was a lot 326 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 4: of stuff out in the market that never got proved. 327 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 4: They never got put it to the test. And that's 328 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 4: what we did. We're like, hey, let's put it to 329 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 4: the test. Let's see what would happen if a kung 330 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 4: fu guy fights a sumo wrestling who do win? Try out? 331 00:16:59,040 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 4: Let's put it the. 332 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 2: I know you got are always look at like a business, 333 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 2: But was there anybody who man who was the most 334 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 2: Where you looked across that cage, I'm like, I can't 335 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 2: stand this stud I can't wait to Smaster's can can't rock. 336 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 3: Going to that further. 337 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 4: He's just a little bit of w W e talks trash, 338 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 4: good fighter dude like Zeus, like the Greek god but Chiso. 339 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 4: It's like, no, I'm gonna bite myee. I'm gonna this 340 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 4: is the one I'm gonna prove it I can beat Hey. 341 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 2: You've you've explained him for and Horse are a big 342 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 2: part of our MVPH already also give us the principals 343 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 2: Braci jiu jitsu that fly to life. 344 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 4: The most grace is like a it's a self defense art. 345 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 4: You don't have to be big, you don't have to 346 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 4: be strong, you don't have to be fat, as you 347 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 4: gotta know what you're doing, how to apply the right leverage. 348 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 4: So you're gonna be in uncomfortable positions. You make the 349 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 4: uncomfortable become comfortable so you don't get bad. Well, what 350 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 4: if the guy is so big like Akibono and he 351 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 4: gets on to six eight, four hundred and ninety pounds, 352 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 4: get on top of you four hundred and ninety pounds, 353 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 4: It's like no problem, No, it's okay. Well, then seven 354 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 4: on top of me. Then seven two hundred and sixty 355 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,479 Speaker 4: five pounds all American rata on top of me for 356 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,479 Speaker 4: like sixteen minutes. It's okay. You see, it's not I 357 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 4: don't panic. We don't used. It gives you the ability 358 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 4: not to panic because you get used to the uncomfortable. 359 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 4: You get used to the chaos, chaos, the opponent being 360 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 4: bigger and stronger than you. You just gotta play and 361 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 4: they'll tire him out and the solution will come. 362 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 3: You mean, here's another one. 363 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 4: Patient, you used to teach you how to be patient. 364 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 4: You cannot be in a rush. It's not a fast knockout. 365 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 4: One hit and knockout. My father used to say, you 366 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 4: don't win the fight when you want to win the fight. 367 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 4: You're gonna win the fight when your opponent loses. The 368 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 4: example that he uses all the time is, you know 369 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 4: how to play ping pong? You know how to play 370 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 4: ping pong? 371 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 3: Yep. 372 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 4: So every time you put the ball on my side 373 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 4: of the table, it doesn't matter where you put the ball. 374 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 4: I'll catch the ball and I'll put it back on 375 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 4: the set of your table. When am I going to 376 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 4: lose this game? Never? What am I doing? I'm playing 377 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 4: the perfect defense game? So when do I win? Now 378 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 4: we have to change the question. So when do you win? Hoys, 379 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 4: I'm gonna win when you missed the table. Did I win? 380 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 4: You lost. I'm just capitalizing on your mistake. I'm just 381 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 4: playing the perfect defense. So I'm just being patient enough. 382 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 4: If you've never missed the table, we're gonna play forever. 383 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 4: You see, there's a matter of you put the ball 384 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 4: or catch the ball, put it back on the center table. 385 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 4: If you don't miss the table, we're gonna play forever. 386 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 4: Until you missed the table. I don't win, you lose. 387 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 4: I'm just capitalizing a mistake. So you gotta be very patient. 388 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 4: Not like I'm going to go for the offense and 389 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 4: knock you out or try to catch you. No, you 390 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 4: got the patient. 391 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 3: Do you like the way the sport is now better 392 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 3: than when you started? Do you like it better when 393 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 3: you started? 394 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 4: It's different. When we started, it was a style against 395 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 4: the style. There was a lot of death touches. I 396 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 4: don't knowless you remember, Yeah, yeah that touch. The guy's 397 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 4: paralyzed for a week after you touch. Yeah, shut down. Yeah, 398 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 4: So it was a style against the style. Today is 399 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 4: more of an athlete against an athlete. They both, like 400 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 4: I said, they both know the same. They're both being 401 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 4: ain'ting stand up and grapplings to rest. Everybody changes everything 402 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 4: to day boxing, taypewond kick boxing. So it's more of 403 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 4: a everybody does that cardoo, it's more of a strategy game. 404 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 4: Who can pull out the strategy data because they're very 405 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 4: very even gain now much harder. I think back then 406 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 4: those raw today that the harder because everybody knows everybody. 407 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 4: You see. There's no more a hidden secret game. No. 408 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 2: And now if you train the sport of mixed martial arts, 409 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 2: back then, it's like, all right, we got some practice 410 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 2: jiu jitsu, far you got boxing, you get more tie. 411 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 2: You're trying to figure it out, and you're trying to 412 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: figure it out. So okay, well, this guy's more time fired. 413 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 2: This guy's a wrestler. Obviously it stays on the feet, 414 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 2: thy guy, if it goes to. 415 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 3: The grounds, can be a wrestler. 416 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 2: Now everybody has it all together and they I think 417 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 2: it makes practice a lot easier that you have it 418 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:53,959 Speaker 2: all together. 419 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 4: But back then there's no time to limit, no gloves, 420 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 4: no weight division. No that makes a difference to. 421 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 2: How much did you Back then, you're going to the 422 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 2: pre five meetings and you're looking across the room because 423 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 2: there wasn't a lot of you know, now everybody knows 424 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 2: everything about each other. What kind of shock were you 425 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: when you look across the room you see these dudes. 426 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 2: You look like football players, and you know, Akey Bono's 427 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 2: the world. 428 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 3: These guys are just massive. Talk about that. 429 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 4: I think they're more worried about me than me about them, 430 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 4: because I practiced with guys that size. I you, my 431 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 4: opponents are going to be bigger. But for them to 432 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 4: look at me and goes, I think that's what my father. 433 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 4: That's what my father says. They're more worried about you 434 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 4: when they stand on the corner. We get in the 435 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 4: kid in the octagon and they look across and they 436 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 4: look at you and they go what the best skin 437 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 4: guy knows? What can he do? 438 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 3: What kind is it? 439 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 4: Doesn't their brain doesn't doesn't function. It's like, what is 440 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 4: he going to do to me? He's so small, That's 441 00:22:58,520 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 4: how they look at it. 442 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 3: One hundred pounds right, Why is he here? 443 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 4: What is he got? What kind of secret does he have? 444 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 4: You see, they were more worried about me than me 445 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 4: about them. Kind of like a Aqui Borno. I was 446 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 4: with a Quiborno on the press conference before the fight. 447 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 4: We did a press conference in Hawaii. 448 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 3: And folks, you got you got Google's picture? 449 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 4: Aboro is you know six nine six nine yet. 450 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 2: Pounds one hundred and thirty pounds, great picture out there 451 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 2: in the in the rectun So. 452 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 4: I was out for a run in Hawaii. I came 453 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 4: back to the hotel. I just had shorts, T shirt, 454 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 4: T shirt on my hands, shorts, ten shoes and I 455 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 4: walk across the lobby and I see I keep burning 456 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 4: too big, Samo and sit in the lobby. I know 457 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 4: rules of engagement. I'm not supposed to talk to my 458 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 4: opponents my opponents. Was supposed to go over there to 459 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 4: chat with them, but Ruso made me broken. So there 460 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 4: was no broad look around. There was none of my 461 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 4: brother's there and my cousins. So I went a walk 462 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 4: up to them and I just stand there, just sitting 463 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 4: down the couch. I just stared at them, make contact. 464 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 4: The three of them. They all looking at me like 465 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 4: what's that? And I just stare at them for a second, 466 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 4: pause silence. I look at him and look at me. 467 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 4: I look at him, I look at me, and I go, 468 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 4: you know what, I'm too big for you for this fight. Man. 469 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 4: I need to lose some. I have to lose some 470 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 4: weight to make a fair and I walk out of 471 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 4: the hotel that joe yell. They're like, what the fuck 472 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 4: is that? The guy's like one hundred and seventy five pounds. 473 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 4: It's gonna lose more weight. I'm ninety's to make it 474 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 4: far to make the fight fair, I'm gonna lose a 475 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 4: couple more pounds. Man. It's like, I'm too big for 476 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 4: you for this fight. It's like, what the fuck is? 477 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 3: How do you? How do you train? How do you 478 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 3: get ready for five hundred poun guy? 479 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 4: Well, using my imagination, I put two guys there about 480 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 4: two fifty to three hundred pounds. So they hug each other, 481 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 4: and one had this way the other one. They hug 482 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,479 Speaker 4: each other, so one person used the right hand, the 483 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 4: other person used the left hand. So I like that, yeah, 484 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 4: a tie belt around their ways. Put both of them 485 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 4: on top of me so I can get used about 486 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 4: five hundred pounds. So two guys hugging each other. So 487 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 4: one used this hand, the other one is holding using 488 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 4: this hand you see, And and I had to throw 489 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 4: both of them inside of my guards to play out, 490 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 4: and then Hyla would jump on top of them top 491 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 4: of that back to add a little more weight, not 492 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty pounds. 493 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 2: So yeah, was there ever a fight you had where 494 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 2: you were like, oh, this is getting away from me 495 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 2: and turn it around. 496 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 4: Was a tough one? Yeah, was a tough one. It 497 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 4: was a tough opponent. That one that we foud the 498 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 4: first fight that we we had to fight first one, 499 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 4: he want second one. I won. But the first one, 500 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 4: the iron was six rounds of fifteen with two million arrests. 501 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 4: It was another forty five total. The crowd fell asleep, 502 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 4: woke up, and we're still fighting. The most going to 503 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 4: fight ever to me now, But that one we got 504 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 4: to the point that, Okay, he's a man, I'm a man. 505 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 4: We had a press conference and I just saw left 506 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 4: New Year's Evening and I mentioned that to him. We're 507 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 4: doing a press conference and I just brought that up 508 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 4: to him and he's like, really, do remember that I 509 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 4: arrived in Japan. They did a total no no to us. 510 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 4: They separate me from my team. They sent my team 511 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 4: to the hotel. Hois is gonna do just a quick interview. No, 512 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 4: I'll bring my team with me, But this time they 513 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 4: send my team. No, no, no, no, real quick? Is this a 514 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 4: one interview I got. There is a major press conference, 515 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 4: and I'm by myself, so my team is not with me. 516 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 4: My team went to the hotel. It was Sakur Raba, 517 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 4: myself and the promoter and say a couple of words. 518 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 4: I say a couple of words, told my opponents all 519 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 4: this respect from my opponent stuff, it's worth the pont it. 520 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 4: It's gonna be a tough fight. And then Saba said 521 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 4: something like we should do a purse to the winner. 522 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 4: We're gonna take all oh, man, put me on the 523 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 4: spot right away. It's like, what do you say to that? 524 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 4: If I say yes, I agree, I'm following his footstep. 525 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 4: If I say no, I don't agree, I'm afraid that 526 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 4: I might news. So I grabbed the mic and I 527 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 4: stood up, pushed my chair back, stood up and told 528 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 4: the crowd, hey, media, step outside. We're gonna fight right now. 529 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 4: I don't have to stay here two weeks waiting for 530 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 4: this fight. Promoter, I get the bag of money put 531 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 4: outside the door. The check will be right out. You're 532 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 4: a man, I'm a man. Let's do it. You want 533 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 4: to do it first to the winner, do it right now. 534 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 4: I'll go back on the same playing back to America. 535 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 4: He got quiet. He didn't know what to say after that. 536 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 4: They tried to push you by, but so I pushed you. 537 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,479 Speaker 4: He's like got It's like it's like, so I look 538 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 4: at the promoter, I look at the mess and goes, 539 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 4: I don't think he wants to fight right now. I 540 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 4: think he would have to wait two weeks until today 541 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 4: until the fighter. I'd back down. I was like, shut 542 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 4: him off. 543 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 3: But after you said too, you're a you stayed calm 544 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 3: in that situation. 545 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 4: Oh yeah. The whole time. It's like, but you gotta 546 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 4: be fast. But the same time, I didn't get you stoked, 547 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,479 Speaker 4: but fast. It's like, do a purse to the winner. 548 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 4: I look, I was like a gun. He wants to 549 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 4: putting you on the spot and got that. Okay, give 550 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 4: me the mic. You're a man, I'm a man. Let's 551 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 4: do it right now when he'll be right out. 552 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 3: Who do you think is the best? Who's ever done it? 553 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 4: Oh? Man? They're all tough. Man. There's no such an 554 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 4: easy fighter. From Matt Hills to Sakuraba to Can't sham Rock. 555 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 4: Even Kim was a beast dense set. Ever, it's hard 556 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 4: to pick one. I keep one of the best wrestled 557 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 4: of all times. It's hard to pick one. 558 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 3: What do you think the best fighter that you haven't 559 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 3: thought the best you've ever seen. 560 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 4: That I haven't fought all times. 561 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, just any any fighter out there. 562 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 4: There's so many, man, there's so many good fighters. One 563 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 4: fighter that were after the time was Mike Tyson. My 564 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 4: my my, my brother was after him trying to He 565 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 4: want to do it, but the people around him said, nope, 566 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 4: can't do it. At the time, they were not He 567 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 4: was the chamber at the time. That was the room boxing. Yes, mixed, 568 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 4: my course, There's no way I. 569 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 3: Boxed that. 570 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 4: A I joke people out, but no. But Mike I 571 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 4: heard he wants to do it, but people around him said, nope, 572 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 4: you can't. Didn't let him do it. That was one 573 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 4: that my brother was pushing to happen that did not happened. 574 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 2: Before I let you go, I asked it for every 575 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 2: one of my guests, give me your unbreakable moment in 576 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 2: your life, moment in your life that should have broken 577 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 2: you but didn't, and as a result, you came to 578 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,719 Speaker 2: the other side of that tunnel stronger. 579 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 3: Forever. 580 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 4: I would say my fight against Sakara, that was the 581 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 4: one that pushed my limits over the six months or 582 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 4: fifteen minutes. And then I lost that fight, and those 583 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 4: people close to me that says that start to meet 584 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 4: room comments like yeah, I knew he wasn't that good enough. 585 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 4: It was like I knew he wasn't that good. I 586 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,479 Speaker 4: knew somebody could be here. People close to me pretty much. 587 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 4: If you see the movie Ali, there's a scene on 588 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 4: that that I relate to that a lot. And the 589 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 4: wife comes over and goes, hey, what was all these 590 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 4: people when you lost? When you lost, everybody abandoned you. 591 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 4: You win, everybody's back here the hell so? And that 592 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 4: made me stronger. Maybe I want to come back. Actually 593 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 4: there's two moments on the first time was against when 594 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 4: I did not finish UFC three. A lot of people 595 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 4: that was before I could have a lot of people 596 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 4: like he's not that great, is not that good? And 597 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 4: then I come back. You have C four beat three 598 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 4: opponents in one night again and beating then seven after 599 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 4: then seven through every bite around two hundred and sixty 600 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 4: five pounds when I beat him. That's why I remember 601 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 4: saying I'm back. 602 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 2: I'm back, and probably saw all of some people who 603 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 2: abandoned you trying to get back. 604 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 4: To yep, right, And that's the people that kind of 605 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 4: I thought they were friends. But as soon as I 606 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 4: lost out the UFC three, I didn't lose, I just 607 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 4: didn't continue the tournament. I had to pull out that 608 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 4: to stop because the idration. So it wasn't a loss. 609 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 4: But then people that are close to me saying, yeah, yes, 610 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 4: I knew he wasn't that good after I won the 611 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 4: first In second you have CE tournaments three fights, four 612 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 4: fights on the second one, the third one I didn't finish. 613 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 4: But they stop talking trash, my father used to say. 614 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 4: And the hard one too used to say, it's good 615 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 4: because then you know who is your true friend when 616 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 4: you lose, a lot of people are friends of yours. 617 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 4: They're your friends when you win, when you're the top. 618 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 4: As soon as you lose, they're like, yeah, it's not 619 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 4: that good, and they talk trash. And that's the we 620 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 4: call shaking the tree all the rotten napples fall off. 621 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 3: Folks. I want you to hear that lesson because it's 622 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 3: a great lesson. 623 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 2: And I tell the people all the time when they 624 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 2: lose or get fired or something terrible happened for them like, hey, 625 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 2: you got to watch your own funeral. You got to 626 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 2: see who's your paul bearers, who keep dirt on your grave, 627 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 2: who celebrated that you're gone and they're laughing, and who 628 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 2: really loved you and then't. And as a result, you 629 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 2: get to pull your your crew in a lot closer 630 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 2: and you have to see who really are your brother. 631 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 2: So I know it hurts at the time, but it 632 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 2: ends up being a really really valuable lesson. 633 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 4: Thank you for sharing us with us, But you have 634 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 4: to be humble. That's what I tell people. You have 635 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 4: to knowing how to win. It's easy. You have to 636 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 4: know how to lose. That's a hard deal to swallow. 637 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 4: If you know how to lose, you see a lot 638 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 4: of people don't know. A lot of people first loss, 639 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 4: they break down, and it happens quite often with any sports. 640 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 4: As soon as they lose, they're like, okay, I can't 641 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 4: do this anymore. They just fall apart. So you have 642 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 4: to know how to lose. To know how to win easy. No, 643 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 4: know how to lose, man, that's the hard win. Then 644 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 4: come back after that, get up and go do it again. 645 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 4: Not to quit. You see, there's no quitting. There no 646 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 4: let's go back, and that's what a couple of losses 647 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 4: that I had got back to the locker room. First 648 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 4: stay while I ask right away what went wrong with 649 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 4: the train derail. Let's fix it right now, you see, 650 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 4: there's not wait, don't talk tomorrow right now. Let's talk 651 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 4: about it, and make sure to talk about it right 652 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 4: there on the spot. It's very good at that. Man. 653 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 3: I appreciate you so much. 654 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 2: Listen, my last name is Glacier, but you have made 655 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 2: me feel like a brother for a long time, and 656 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 2: I appreciate it. 657 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 4: Man, my brother of the Swords. 658 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 3: My brother. Thank you, Brother Boyce, love you. 659 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 4: Body, thank you. Bye bye.