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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio, Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is al They called

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our superproducer

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Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you,

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Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know. It's the top of the week,

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Speaker 1: which means it's time for our strange news segments. Uh well,

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Speaker 1: spoiler alert. A lot of things happened as we hurdle

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Speaker 1: toward the end of Many folks are excited to celebrate

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Speaker 1: the holidays of their choice, and then a lot of folks,

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Speaker 1: maybe the more paranoid conspiracy realist in the crowd, are

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Speaker 1: thinking doubtlessly of that scene in horror movies where you

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Speaker 1: think the monster has been defeated, but then a hand

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Speaker 1: shoots up from the grave. Right in the last fifteen

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Speaker 1: update on a meme that went viral a series of

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Speaker 1: events that are still relatively unexplained. We've got some troubling

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Speaker 1: news about surveillance, and we've got a really weird statement

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Speaker 1: from a storied former head of a state level space program. So, honestly, Matt,

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Speaker 1: I don't mean to throw you under the conspiracy bus here,

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Speaker 1: but I'm really interested in this story you found because

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Speaker 1: it's it's spooken me a little bit. Sure, Absolutely, we

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Speaker 1: can begin here. Pay close attention if you live in Jackson,

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Speaker 1: Mississippi in the United States, and also pay close attention

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Speaker 1: if you live in any city in the United States

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Speaker 1: or any other country that has the capability to run

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Speaker 1: lots and lots of video, any video anywhere. So on

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Speaker 1: the show, we've talked a lot about CCTV in other

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Speaker 1: forms of video surveillance that is used by mostly law enforcement,

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Speaker 1: but also private security firms and even households such as

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Speaker 1: this one where I live. We've talked about personal security

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Speaker 1: and video monitoring with sponsors like Simply Safe and several others,

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Speaker 1: not just video of public places, interior, um. What if

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Speaker 1: it has access to every video feed. So we're gonna

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Speaker 1: go to a story from NBC News and this is

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Speaker 1: the title of it. Police in Jackson, Mississippi want access

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Speaker 1: me say that again. Police in Jackson, Mississippi want access

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Speaker 1: So according to NBC and some reporting that's being done

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Speaker 1: one of the best is on Jewish press dot com.

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Speaker 1: And what's interesting is how explicit this is. Galactic Federation

429
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: feels a little on the nose. And also, these these

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Speaker 1: folks can violate what we understand to be the laws

431
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: of physics, but they still have to sign contracts. That's weird. Yeah,

432
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Speaker 1: when when was the contract signed? Are we talking? Nine?

433
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Speaker 1: Were talking prior talking after? When When did that happen?

434
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: Did they crash Roswell on purpose in order to begin? Uh,

435
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Speaker 1: you know a relationship with the humanoids? What is going

436
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Speaker 1: on here? Galactic federation? What's the plan? That's what I

437
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: want to know. Have we heard this ending before? By

438
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: the way, the Galactic Federation? I mean it sounds a

439
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: little kind of boilerplate, you know, kind of like sci

440
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 1: fi language, but it brings a bell. Have you guys

441
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: heard Galactic Federation before? Sure, it's super common in different

442
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: works of sci fi over over the decades. Sounds like

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Speaker 1: something l Ron Hubbard would have written. It sounds well,

444
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: here's the thing, here's what their aim is. Apparently, according

445
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: again to this professor, the aim is that the aliens

446
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: or the UFOs Is calls them, are attempting to understand

447
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: the fabric of the universe entire and that they want

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00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: human beings as helpers. He also goes on to say

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Speaker 1: that there's an underground base in the depths of Mars

450
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: and their representatives hang out there. And he said that

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Speaker 1: if I had come forward with what I was saying. Now,

452
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: five years ago, I would have been hospitalized. Wherever I've

453
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: gone with this in academia, they've said the man and

454
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: has lost his mind. And then he goes on to say,

455
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Speaker 1: I have nothing to lose. I've got my awards, I've

456
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: got my degrees. I'm respected in university abroad, and the

457
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: trend of the conversation is changing. I should point out

458
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Speaker 1: he is a D seven, he's retired. This is in

459
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Speaker 1: no way going to affect his career. I'd like to

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Speaker 1: be fair and look at the criticism of this. Well first, yeah,

461
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: well before we do that, yeah, I mean, okay, they're

462
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Speaker 1: trying to understand the fabric of the universe. What is

463
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Speaker 1: the universe? Why or why are they here as long

464
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: as long's not a conton blend kind of thing. Well,

465
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Speaker 1: so I'm just want to go with that logic really quickly.

466
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: It's an intelligent species that may or may not, like

467
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Speaker 1: you said, Ben, be able to defive physics in order

468
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Speaker 1: to even travel here unless they were here just a

469
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Speaker 1: long long time ago. And they've been here for a

470
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Speaker 1: long time and just we didn't know um And they're

471
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Speaker 1: trying to understand the universe and they want our help.

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Speaker 1: They want these humanoids that are what going through that

473
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Speaker 1: don't understand anything yet. That's why we we aren't useful

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00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: to them yet, right why they can't be whether they

475
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: can't reveal themselves to us, That's what we're saying. It's

476
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Speaker 1: less that humans would be of no help and more

477
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Speaker 1: that like chaos would erupt in the tribe or the species.

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Speaker 1: You know, because think about we've said this before on

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Speaker 1: this show. If extra terrestrials were proven to exist, for

480
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Speaker 1: mathematically they are, but if they were proven to have

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Speaker 1: contact with our species, then our entire existence would be

482
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Speaker 1: defined by three or four main points. One the Big

483
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Speaker 1: Bang to life on Earth, three human life, and then

484
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: four other life like it would be one of the

485
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Speaker 1: biggest things that ever happened, full stop. We have entire

486
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Speaker 1: religious and economic systems that would be completely upended. Dogs

487
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: and cats sleeping together, the end of the world, pandemonium,

488
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Speaker 1: religious wars, ideological wars, resource grabs. It would be very,

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Speaker 1: very bad in the short end, Bill Pithy, where it

490
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Speaker 1: might be upending. Yeah, because some problems. What's that arrival,

491
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Speaker 1: That's a good one that really kind of shows the

492
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Speaker 1: geopolitical ramifications of like you know, disclosure, Uh, and in

493
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: a much more realistic way than say Independence Day. Sure,

494
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,959
Speaker 1: and it's been explored a lot in science fiction. I

495
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: just wonder why they didn't choose I wonder why they

496
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Speaker 1: didn't choose a moment when Star Trek was at a

497
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Speaker 1: speak or something that's like not the Enlightened Galactic Federation,

498
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Speaker 1: like thinking from humanity. I guess the most that there's

499
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: ever been around that time when Mass Effect came out

500
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Speaker 1: the video game. My god, how many kids and uh

501
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: adults were playing Mass Effect when when that came out.

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm wondering why now, I guess or what

503
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: they're waiting for. Maybe it's the leaders, political leaders, religious leaders. Well,

504
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: there's there's some interesting speculative stuff here. So one of

505
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: the big assumptions that our species makes, because we're very

506
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: very self centered, you know what I mean, as individuals

507
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: and as a species, we make this assumption that technology

508
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Speaker 1: would be discovered, deployed, or developed along a somewhat common

509
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: predictable path. Right. So, uh, for a lot of people

510
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: believe there's some sort of extraterrestrial contact that's already occurred

511
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Speaker 1: in the past, such as many uthologists probably also this professor,

512
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Speaker 1: if he's being sincere, the big pivotal moment for alien

513
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: observation came with the discovery of nuclear technology in our

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Speaker 1: in our species, on our planet. And it is completely

515
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Speaker 1: possible maybe that somehow, no, no member of the Galactic

516
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: Federation figured this out before, and they're just like, great,

517
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Speaker 1: now we have we have monkeys with guns. That's what

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Speaker 1: we have. I totally I remember talking about that before.

519
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: We've you been with there being a reason that that

520
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: was the time with with nuclear weapons and technology. Maybe

521
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Speaker 1: this is the thing that U is going to change

522
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: the game. Maybe the aliens have been using these things

523
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: to look at us all and to study us with

524
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Speaker 1: social media and uh maybe maybe they're not based in

525
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Speaker 1: any kind of uh form like this uh squishy form.

526
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they're more metal and algorithms or maybe there

527
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Speaker 1: have you have you heard of something called the ground

528
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: Crew Project? I have not. What is the ground Crew Project?

529
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: The ground Crew Project is a UFO religion started in

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Speaker 1: the eighties based in California, Hawaii, UM which later kind

531
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: of segmented. I'm just reading this from like a very

532
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: basic Wikipedia entry, which later segmented into ground Crew and

533
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: the Planetary Activation organization UM. A gentleman by the name

534
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: of Sheldon Nittle founded it and started posting online in

535
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: but they claim their their goal is to prepare humanity

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Speaker 1: for large scale first contact between Earth and the Galactic

537
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Speaker 1: Federation UM. And that's something they believe is an extraterrestrial

538
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Speaker 1: organization that will aid in transformation of some kind of

539
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Speaker 1: the human race. And members in the group believe that

540
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Speaker 1: they're all situated in key roles to kind of act

541
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Speaker 1: as liaisons between uh, these extraterrestrials and the people of Earth.

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Speaker 1: And I'm surprised that this didn't come up in this

543
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: uh in this discussion. Well again, you know, Galactic Federation,

544
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: to your point, to you guys points earlier, is a

545
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: very it seems it feels like it would be a

546
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: very common name for works of sci fi. So I'm

547
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: not surprised bet that just like an Internet search of

548
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 1: Galactic Federation will show multiple things, right from from fiction

549
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: and from the real world. I haven't heard of this

550
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: ground Crew project yet, UM, but just looking at it now,

551
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: it seems like they've made one misstep that a lot

552
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: of these groups make, which is they made predictions that

553
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: did not come to pass, which is a blow to credibility.

554
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 1: But you can't get everything a right all the time,

555
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: as we can assure you haven't done this podcast for

556
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: so long. I do want to going back to Professor Chad.

557
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't mention that because he's not aware of it.

558
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: It's quite possible, certainly, But I want to give two

559
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: big arguments against his statements here. The first argument is

560
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of a jaded political argument and people

561
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: who do not care for the current outgoing president of

562
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: the US, Donald Trump, and he said, look, you had

563
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: me until you said that Donald Trump knew about it,

564
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: because there's no way he would have kept a secret.

565
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: Hither hear there? Uh? And then there's the other. There's

566
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Speaker 1: the other argument, which is that this interview, these interviews

567
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: occur in conjunction with advertisements for his forthcoming book The

568
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: Universe Beyond the Horizon conversations with Professor him as shed

569
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: so that's those might feel like blues to credibility. Also

570
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: the fact that he had, like many people, he has

571
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: a clandestine background in intelligence agencies, So there are going

572
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Speaker 1: to be people who say that he's still part of

573
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: the program, that he's just like a false flag distracting

574
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 1: from things but I don't know, what do you guys think.

575
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: Do you guys think he might be legit? Just based

576
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: on the information you have, I'm kind of with you, Ben,

577
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: that does seem like there's a little self interest going

578
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: on here, And just really quickly in terms of pop

579
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: culture use of Galactic Federation, it is in fact the

580
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: nemesis of Rick and Morty in Rick and Morty, and

581
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: it's also the governing body in the Metroid universe of games.

582
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Speaker 1: Nice nice to answer your question, Ben, This gentleman, he

583
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: is seven. He does have a doctorate in aeronautical engineering.

584
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: He has been with the I d F and in

585
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: the intelligence division. He's been in research and development for

586
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: the military. I don't know, Man, I tend to feel

587
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: like someone someone of this caliber isn't going to come

588
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: out and attempts to steal some money from me for

589
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: his book by saying something extraordinary, you know, like because

590
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: that's really what it would be. It would be give

591
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: me some money. Here's something crazy. It's also like if

592
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: if he truly doesn't believe it, it seems like with

593
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: those kind of bona fides, he wouldn't discredit himself in

594
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: that way purposefully. But given his age. Is it amy

595
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: possible that he's having some dementia or something as well,

596
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: or some kind of you know, psychological issues as a

597
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: result of aging, And it's a fair question. Unfortunately. Yeah,

598
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: but the guy is I mean, he's worked in development

599
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: of weapons infrastructure like satellites. But but it's bona fides.

600
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: But it's a person who has access to space essentially

601
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. When he's thinking about it,

602
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: and and I mean think about that, it's not I

603
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: don't know, man, but it feels it feels like there

604
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: might be something there. And then what does what does

605
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: My other thing is what does helping mean? Like if

606
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: we throw out all tools of critical thinking and we

607
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: just accept what he's saying is fact and we say

608
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: he's sincere, he's talking about something that really happened. There

609
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: are aliens. They have contacted um members of the upper

610
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: echelon of our various weird class systems, and they want

611
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 1: our help. How much can we actually help them? It's

612
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: kind of like, Hey, we need to put together this

613
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: uh ikea cabinet. It's called the universe, and you know

614
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: it's going to be the perfect people to help us

615
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: with this. These uh these fleas that also happened to

616
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Speaker 1: be in the box when we opened it, you know

617
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Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, and I know that's a derogatory

618
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: way to look at both fleas and human beings, but uh,

619
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: but yeah, I have a lot of questions. But I'm

620
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: keeping an eye on this because there's also that great

621
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: point about credibility. We see this happen in academia all

622
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: the time. Being really smart at one thing does not

623
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: automatically make you correct at everything else you believe, right,

624
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: or with everything else you believe, But it does. It

625
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: is strange how quickly the Ivory Tower will toss somebody

626
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: out and say, you know, forget these decades of brilliant

627
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 1: work you did. You're you're a charlatan and a fool. Now,

628
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: so let us know what you think. Is it a

629
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 1: plug for a book? Is it just a somehow pr

630
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: or is he legit? I think he believes what he's saying.

631
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: I just don't know if what he's saying is factual.

632
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: Uh So with that, let's pause for a word from

633
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 1: our sponsor, and we'll return with another mystery. And we're back.

634
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: And okay, look, I'm not trying to be a dead

635
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Speaker 1: horse here. Uh to use a very unpleasant metaphor. I

636
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: don't want people even say that who beats dead horses?

637
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: That's a horrible thing to do. But I've been a

638
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: little hung up on this model, that story a because

639
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: it's genuinely a fun kind of mystery in the face

640
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: of all this awfulness that is going on, you know,

641
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: in the world, and it, you know, I think it's interesting,

642
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: even if it's just like a kind of a what

643
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: is like a performance art kind of installation thing done

644
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: in secret by an artist who his past or if

645
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: some thing bigger than that, I don't know. I I

646
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: do like the discussion around it. And yet a third

647
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: monolith has appeared UM somewhere between it's like equidistant between

648
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: San Francisco and l a um a town by the

649
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 1: name of a Tascadero, beautiful, beautiful town UM in northern California.

650
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: A monolith appeared on top of Pine Mountain there in Atascadera.

651
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: Again very similar that triangular kind of shape, very polished,

652
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: silvery steel uh pillar looking thing, clearly done by the

653
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: same person or someone influenced by this this person UM

654
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: and this one has a pretty heavily documented event that

655
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: led to it being removed UM and defaced. And it's

656
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: very interesting because you can see this story kind of

657
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: come together in real time. There was a streaming video

658
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: posted UM by a group that took a five hundred

659
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: mile round trip road trip together from southern California to

660
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: Tascaderow and all wearing you know, like kind of camo gear.

661
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: They even had night vision goggles and they're streaming the

662
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: whole thing. They're streaming like their drive, even their stops

663
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: to like get Monster Energy drinks. UM. And they're clearly

664
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: kind of a fundamentalist Christian group UM who have very

665
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: right leaning political views and also even like go so

666
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: far as to to talk about like how they were

667
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: sent by Donald Trump himself and Q from Q and

668
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: on who many people in that circle believe is Donald

669
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: Trump or adjacent to Donald Trump. UM. And the whole

670
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: time they're talking about that, we're talking about how the

671
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: monolith is satanic in some way. They referred to it

672
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: as a pagan monument, and then in the same breath

673
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: say that it is you know, an alien um sign,

674
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: you know. But then they also go so far as

675
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: to say they don't want aliens from Mexico or space

676
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: coming to leaving weird monoliths on mountaintops. Um. So yeah,

677
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: they they they they hike all the way to the

678
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 1: top with their night vision goggles on and they get

679
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: to the monolith, um and they, you know, with some

680
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: great kind of trouble that they go to end up

681
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 1: tearing it down. Uh, and they replace it with a

682
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: wooden cross, all the while chanting Christ as Lord, Christ

683
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: as Lord. It's very eerie, it's very cult like. Um.

684
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: Something about it is troubling to me. And even spokespeople

685
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: from the city were very troubled by it because they

686
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: referred to it kind of the same way that I

687
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: was thinking about. It's like, this is an interesting mystery

688
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: that's hurting no one, is just adding to some interesting

689
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: positive thinking surrounding all the nasty things that are going

690
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: on in the world right now. Um. And they do

691
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: not appreciate these interlopers coming, you know, from far far

692
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 1: away to do harm to what they seem to feel

693
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: was a positive tourist destination or a positive you know

694
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: feature for their for their small town. So I don't know, Um,

695
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: there's more to unpack here, but uh, it's it's very interesting. Um.

696
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 1: Had to length people will go to to destroy something

697
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: they don't understand. I don't know. Yeah, and this is

698
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: weird because you know, one thing we can't say is

699
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 1: that those those guys are losing the fight because there

700
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: was already another monolith reported on the Aisle of White

701
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 1: I believe. And then just as like actually as we

702
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: were recording this, a another monolith popped up at Joshua

703
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 1: Tree National Park I think, And that was like seven

704
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: in teen minutes ago as we record this, and it

705
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: was what is going on a lot of marketing? Did

706
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: you guys read about this group called most Famous Artist

707
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: or the most famous Artists? That they're the ones who uh,

708
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: they're they're how I found out about Joshua Tree. Actually, well,

709
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit more about it. These are

710
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: new to me, And do you think this is an

711
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: organized effort because they were saying that the one, the

712
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: original one in Moab likely was there for years. And

713
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if these are all copycats after that initial

714
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: you know media pop that when that one viral? Are

715
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: people then are these also being discovered and could have

716
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: potentially been there for longer? Likely not there they weren't

717
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: in his remote places clearly, But what I'm wondering what

718
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: you guys think, Yeah, not all of them were there

719
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 1: for years. But the uh, the folks Most Famous Artists,

720
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: despite sound having a singular name, is a group of

721
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: like minded artists and they have a really interesting statement

722
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: about this. They have an Instagram that you can follow,

723
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: and they have photos of monoliths that they seem to

724
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: admit they have created. And one of them has the

725
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: caption you mean it wasn't aliens Monoliths as a service

726
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: dot com with dashes in between there. So let's let's

727
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: we're doing this live. Let's see if it goes anywhere.

728
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: It didn't open up for me. It just went to

729
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: a like It just redirects to the most Famous Artists

730
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: dot com and they're selling an authentic alien monolith for

731
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: forty five grants. They're based in Santa fe. Uh. But

732
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: the the statement that I thought would stick out for

733
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: you guys. The guy who founded Most Famous Artists or

734
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: purports to a follow named Maddie Moe, spoke with Mashable

735
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: about this and said, quote, I'm not able to say

736
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: much because of the legalities of the original installation. I

737
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: can say we are well known for stunts of this nature,

738
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: and at this time we are offering authentic art objects

739
00:45:54,480 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: through Monoliths as a service. Monoliths as a service, that's great. Wow,

740
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: will there be a bummer if it all was just

741
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: a really elaborate ad campaign to sell over priced art

742
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: in Santa Fe. Well, what price can you put on art?

743
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: You know? Oh, they're sold out. Somebody bought it and

744
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: they put it up in California because the one in California?

745
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: Have you do we describe what it looks like already? Yeah,

746
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 1: I found it to be similar. It's maybe a little skinnier.

747
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: But but mag go right ahead, how would you characterize

748
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: it as being any different or similar to the other ones? Well,

749
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: I think I'm looking at the same one. I mean,

750
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: it looks almost exactly like the other one. To be ye,

751
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: that's what I described at the top, making sure we

752
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: weren't looking at different stuff. Yeah, I agree to the

753
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: point where maybe they were made in batches, but at

754
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: the same facility. You know, again, like we joke about,

755
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: you know what priced art, but like you know, you

756
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: could argue these are pretty basic structures. Like conceptually they're fascinating,

757
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: but if you know how to do metal working like

758
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: this is, it's certainly Paul been very shiny, but it

759
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: is just a three sided metal object. It's a little

760
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: bit more like style over substance in some ways. It's

761
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: more the placement that that gives it kind of power.

762
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: In my opinion. Show me one made out of pure obsidian,

763
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: unmovable by human human hands, and it puts off like

764
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: a certain frequency that when you get close to it,

765
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: it like brings you to your knees. Dude, I want

766
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 1: to monolith that will stem the deluge of monolith memes.

767
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: That's that's the power why I love them. Keep them coming.

768
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: I saw the other day it look like a toblarn,

769
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: and then there was one that looked like the sidebar

770
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: in a photoshop. And then I saw another one that

771
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: looked like an iPod uh touch or one of those

772
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,479
Speaker 1: skinny iPods that they used to have. What it's called,

773
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: um you know the ones look like a thermometer. Yeah,

774
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: that's why I'm saying, I've seen those. People keep sending

775
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: them to me. Feel free, not tokay a fan of monoliths.

776
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no no, It's just like being a

777
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: fan of donuts doesn't mean you eat two hundred in

778
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: a city. For a lot of people, it's a good

779
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: point you make, But but this is this is an

780
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 1: ongoing story. To your point, now, we we still have

781
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: an absolute answer yet do we We like it's it's developing.

782
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: As we were recording this episode today, I'm leaning towards

783
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: elaborate publicity stunt for selling more monoliths. There we go,

784
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: a monolith Ponzi scheme. I like it. It's wild, but uh,

785
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: there is actually kind of a cool twist here. Just

786
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: found when I was kind of googling around looking for

787
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: more information on the City of a Tascadero, I found

788
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,720
Speaker 1: a local news report from k s B Y News,

789
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: California's Central Coast headline steal monolith back on Pine Mountain

790
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 1: in a Tascadero after being removed, uh, And it would

791
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: appear that the officials with the City of A Tascadero

792
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 1: have confirmed as of Saturday that the monolith is back

793
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: on a hiking trail the top of Pine Mountain. So

794
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if like the crew that tore it

795
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: down or replaced it with a cross just ditched it

796
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: somewhere and then some locals spotted it and found it

797
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: and hucked it back up the mountain and you know,

798
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: put it back in the ground. But you can't get

799
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: rid of his monolith that easy. I would. I would

800
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: argue it's ten ft tall too, and it has to

801
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: be pretty heavy. I wonder if it's hollow or if

802
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, pure like like you know steal

803
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,720
Speaker 1: through and through. But yeah, um is there in northern

804
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 1: San Louis Episbo County and uh, you can go see

805
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: it because it's back. And let us know what other

806
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: strange monolists you find. I gotta go on record. Maybe

807
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: I'm too thrifty, but forty five grand I don't want

808
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 1: it to be hollow. I wanted to think the same

809
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: real and heavy as hell or heavy as steal. Uh.

810
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,759
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812
00:49:56,040 --> 00:50:01,400
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