WEBVTT - #256 Maggie Freleng with Patty Prewitt

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<v Speaker 1>So as as you and I both know, Jason, the

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<v Speaker 1>majority of the people we talk to are men wrongfully incarcerated.

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<v Speaker 1>But when we do talk to women, I actually haven't

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<v Speaker 1>talked to many women who were mothers. They were locked

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<v Speaker 1>up before being mothers. Have you experienced a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>women you've talked to trying to navigate motherhood through prison.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, that's that's a rough one. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>even begin to imagine severing that bond between mother and

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<v Speaker 2>child and taking that caregiver away from the child that

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<v Speaker 2>they love, that they birth, that they have a primal

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<v Speaker 2>need to care for. I honestly don't know how any

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<v Speaker 2>mother goes through that and doesn't lose her mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I cut from the same class as over and over.

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<v Speaker 4>That'sul the drink and that sleep. All I could think

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<v Speaker 4>about is who has the kids? Where are they? What's

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<v Speaker 4>going on with them?

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<v Speaker 5>From love of for Good, I'm Maggie Freeling and this

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<v Speaker 5>is wrongful conviction with Maggie Freeling today, Patti Prewit. In

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<v Speaker 5>the early hours of February eighteenth, nineteen eighty four, Patty

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<v Speaker 5>prewe It was awakened by a loud noise. Someone then

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<v Speaker 5>pulled her hair to drag her out of bed, and

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<v Speaker 5>she was raped in the dark. After the intruder left,

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<v Speaker 5>she heard her husband, Bill, making gurgling noises as if

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<v Speaker 5>he were struggling to breathe. She was unable to turn

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<v Speaker 5>on the lights in the house, so she grabbed her

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<v Speaker 5>kids and ran to a neighbors to call nine one one.

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<v Speaker 5>She would later learn Bill had been shot in the

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<v Speaker 5>head and died. When the police arrived at their home,

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<v Speaker 5>they over looked critical evidence from the scene. Instead, the

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<v Speaker 5>police paid attention to Patty's collection of murder mystery novels

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<v Speaker 5>and Bill's life insurance policy. Patty, not wanting to draw

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<v Speaker 5>attention to herself in the face of her husband's death,

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<v Speaker 5>never mentioned she was raped. By nine am that morning,

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<v Speaker 5>neighbors were already getting calls about Bill's murder, and word

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<v Speaker 5>was his wife, Patty had killed him. Police found out

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<v Speaker 5>that she was the beneficiary of Bill's life insurance policy

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<v Speaker 5>and that years earlier she had some sexual relationships outside

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<v Speaker 5>of her marriage. These discoveries became the motive for the

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<v Speaker 5>police and prosecution, and Patty was arrested, charged and convicted

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<v Speaker 5>of capital murder, But key evidence about Patty's innocence never

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<v Speaker 5>came out during the trial, and decades later, Patty, who

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<v Speaker 5>was now a great grandmother, feels her chance at ft

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<v Speaker 5>ereadom is quickly dwindling.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm an old lady, seventy two. I've been in prison

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<v Speaker 4>way too long. I'm the oldest of my siblings, and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm the only one alive. I was just looking out

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<v Speaker 4>the window. There's a buzzard out there circling, and I

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<v Speaker 4>was wondering if he's circling because I'm getting ready to die.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Patty Putt, and geez, I'm a prisoner in Missouri

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<v Speaker 4>and have been for nearly thirty six years. I did

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<v Speaker 4>not till my husband.

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<v Speaker 5>Patricia Prewitt was born on July third, nineteen forty nine,

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<v Speaker 5>to Frank and Anne Slaughter. She grew up on a

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<v Speaker 5>six hundred and forty acre farm in Lone Jack, Missouri,

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<v Speaker 5>thirty miles from Kansas City.

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<v Speaker 4>It was like a cattle ranch. All we had horses.

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<v Speaker 4>It was multi generational, my grandparents, our family, my uncle

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<v Speaker 4>and his kids. And it was wonderful. It was absolutely wonderful.

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<v Speaker 6>And how about your parents.

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<v Speaker 4>They were so in love. Daddy saw my mama when

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<v Speaker 4>she was in eighth grade, and he saw her somewhere

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<v Speaker 4>downtown in this little town, and he told his brother that,

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<v Speaker 4>when that girl grows up, I'm going to marry her.

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<v Speaker 5>Patty and Bill met when they were in middle school,

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<v Speaker 5>but at that time they were polar opposites.

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<v Speaker 4>He was one of the jocks and cool kids, and

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<v Speaker 4>my best friend Nancy and I were complete nerves.

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<v Speaker 5>She says. It wasn't until senior year of high school,

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<v Speaker 5>when they had a class together that they became close and.

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<v Speaker 4>Hit it off and never looked back.

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<v Speaker 6>Tell me what it was about him that you loved.

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<v Speaker 4>He was so sweet, just very great, quickie is handsome,

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<v Speaker 4>that's always a plus, and time and smart as a whip,

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<v Speaker 4>and came from good people, as my mom and dad

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<v Speaker 4>would say. That was always a prerequisite in our family, and.

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<v Speaker 5>So her family accepted him, she says, and Bill loved

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<v Speaker 5>coming out to the country to visit despite.

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<v Speaker 4>What would happen, and we were evil to laim. We

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<v Speaker 4>put him on the workforce we had, and we did

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<v Speaker 4>all kinds of ruble things, but he still stuck it out.

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<v Speaker 5>So in nineteen sixty eight, at just nineteen, Patty and

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<v Speaker 5>Bill got married. It was the height of the Vietnam War,

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<v Speaker 5>and the draft was active. Although the special exemption for

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<v Speaker 5>married men was no longer in place at the time,

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<v Speaker 5>Patty says she and Bill got married in hopes that

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<v Speaker 5>it could still keep him from going off to war.

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<v Speaker 5>They tried to use every exemption that existed so he

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<v Speaker 5>could stay, including college and kids. After they married, Patty's

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<v Speaker 5>father gave them a small house on three acres of

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<v Speaker 5>land in Lone Jack, Missouri, and they opened a lumberyard business.

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<v Speaker 5>In nineteen sixty nine, they welcomed their first child, Jane.

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<v Speaker 7>Life with my parents was great, you know, her and

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<v Speaker 7>dad were both very involved parents, both of them. I

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<v Speaker 7>remember that they were really hard working but really quick

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<v Speaker 7>to laugh. That they were both really funny people, and

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<v Speaker 7>that they loved music, they loved dancing. Like we just

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<v Speaker 7>had a lot of fun together all the time.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>You remember things as a kid like that my dad

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<v Speaker 7>would pat my mom on the bottom when she'd be

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<v Speaker 7>cooking dinner.

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<v Speaker 5>You could say they were living the American dream. That

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<v Speaker 5>is until nineteen seventy four. That's when Patty was raped

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<v Speaker 5>for the first time, a decade before Bill's murder. But

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<v Speaker 5>he says she was walking to the park and was

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<v Speaker 5>grabbed by three men. They dragged her behind some bushes,

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<v Speaker 5>where they all raped her. When a woman walked by,

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<v Speaker 5>the men quickly ran away. Patty and the woman agreed

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<v Speaker 5>not to call the police because of the stigma in.

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<v Speaker 4>Those days, nobody had counseling and nobody told stuff. You

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<v Speaker 4>kept it to yourself. This did not tell because not

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<v Speaker 4>only sit there, I think it's just awful. Who wants

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<v Speaker 4>to talk about a horrible thing, you know? So he

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<v Speaker 4>just decided not to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 5>But Patty did tell Bill. She says he was helpful

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<v Speaker 5>and sweet at first, but then things changed. Bill became

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<v Speaker 5>standoff fish.

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<v Speaker 4>I think from Bill's point of view, he was supposed

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<v Speaker 4>to protect propect jas and media and the kids, and

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<v Speaker 4>to have something horrible happen like that, he's guilt. Guilt.

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<v Speaker 4>I felt guilt because that would I went on a

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<v Speaker 4>little sun dress. It's a horrible thing that you don't

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<v Speaker 4>want to talk about it. Nobody wants to talk about

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<v Speaker 4>what happened. And then you just get farther and farther

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<v Speaker 4>and farther away from each other, and then it gets

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<v Speaker 4>work and work, and then how do you reach back?

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<v Speaker 5>Their happy marriage crumbled under the weight of what had happened,

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<v Speaker 5>and so Patty and Bill decided to separate.

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<v Speaker 4>And so it was kind of convenient as far as

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<v Speaker 4>not having to tell the family what was going on,

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<v Speaker 4>for us to be separated, because they.

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<v Speaker 5>Had just bought a new farm, Patty says, so now

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<v Speaker 5>they had two places to live.

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<v Speaker 4>And Bill lived at the original place and the kids

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<v Speaker 4>and I moved to the new place. And everybody thought

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<v Speaker 4>he was just working on the house, but we were

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<v Speaker 4>actually separated and kind of discussing maybe divorced.

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<v Speaker 5>During this time. By mutual consent, they were both seeing

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<v Speaker 5>other people.

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<v Speaker 4>When you're living apart and when you're not part of

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<v Speaker 4>each other's lives, it just seems like this natural thing.

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<v Speaker 4>You're not sleeping together.

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<v Speaker 6>So you guys agreed.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, we're separated, we're living apart, we can see

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<v Speaker 5>other people.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>In nineteen seventy seven, Patty became pregnant with another man's

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<v Speaker 5>childs Breaking this news to Bill shattered her.

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<v Speaker 4>It was horrible, I mean really horrible. That really wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>part of our agreement. But he God, he always sposed

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<v Speaker 4>to be. He loved children, and we certainly were not

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<v Speaker 4>going to not have the baby and I told him,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's up to you whether I do this a

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<v Speaker 4>single or we do this together. So how do we

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<v Speaker 4>want to do this? And I think it was kind

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<v Speaker 4>of like the breaking point as far as we did

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<v Speaker 4>love each other and we did want to have our

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<v Speaker 4>family together. That was when we just kind of came

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<v Speaker 4>to the agreement that we would come back together as

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<v Speaker 4>a family and work this out.

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<v Speaker 5>And they did. Later that year June nineteen seventy seven,

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<v Speaker 5>baby Morgan.

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<v Speaker 4>Was born, and Bill didn't treat him like he was

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<v Speaker 4>anything but his own child.

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<v Speaker 5>By now, Patty and Bill were raising five kids. Having

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<v Speaker 5>their family back together made Patty feel like everything was

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<v Speaker 5>right in the world.

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<v Speaker 4>But I look back, I think we were so lively fine.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, we ball kings. We were coaching the kids,

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<v Speaker 4>our business was doing good. All our kids were smart,

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<v Speaker 4>good looking, and everything was good. Our problems were small problems,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, nothing serious, nothing can through.

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<v Speaker 5>Patty and Bill had no idea what was about to

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<v Speaker 5>come crashing down on their family.

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<v Speaker 4>We were all could, our kids were growing up with

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<v Speaker 4>Dylan the and yeah, then boom, it's all over. It's

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<v Speaker 4>all over.

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<v Speaker 5>February eighteenth, nineteen eighty four, Bill and Patty went out

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<v Speaker 5>to a barbecue at their friend's house, and then they

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<v Speaker 5>all went out to a bar for a little while,

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<v Speaker 5>and Patty and Bill got home around two am. Their

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<v Speaker 5>oldest daughter, Jane, was at a friend's house, and the

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<v Speaker 5>rest of the kids were fast asleep in bed. Patty

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<v Speaker 5>tidied up some dishes the kids had left in the sink,

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<v Speaker 5>and then she joined Bill, who had already climbed into bed.

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<v Speaker 5>Shortly after, Patty was awakened by what she thought was thunder.

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<v Speaker 5>She says she was then pulled out of bed by

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<v Speaker 5>her hair and raped, but it was dark and she

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<v Speaker 5>couldn't see the man. After the intruder left, she heard

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<v Speaker 5>Bill making gurgling noises, struggling to breathe, but the lights

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<v Speaker 5>wouldn't turn on, and the phone wasn't working. She couldn't

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<v Speaker 5>see Bill, and she couldn't call the police. She quickly

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<v Speaker 5>woke the kids up and ran with them to a

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<v Speaker 5>neighbor's house to call nine one one. Specifically, she headed

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<v Speaker 5>for the home of Cliff Gustin, a former police officer.

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<v Speaker 4>When was that to the neighbor's house. One in the bathroom,

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<v Speaker 4>and I put on one of her century napkins because

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<v Speaker 4>I was bleeding.

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<v Speaker 5>But after that, Patty says, she quickly forgot about her

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<v Speaker 5>attack and focused on Bill and her children.

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<v Speaker 4>The kids were diff rot. Everybody's going crazy, and it

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<v Speaker 4>seemed like not a time for me to even say

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<v Speaker 4>anything about me. And I never even never even thought

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<v Speaker 4>about me anymore.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I imagine you were, you know, as a mother

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<v Speaker 5>to five kids, you were probably in survival mode.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, definitely, definitely. I was certainly secondary. When you have mama,

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<v Speaker 4>you're pretty much secondary. Twice for seven I can't even

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<v Speaker 4>explain how my brain didn't even work. It was like

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<v Speaker 4>there was a buzzing in my head and nothing made

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<v Speaker 4>an expense except at say, the kids. That was the

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<v Speaker 4>only thing that made any sense whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 5>When the police arrived, they found that the breaker panel

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<v Speaker 5>to the entire house's power had been switched off. They

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<v Speaker 5>turned the power back on. However, police records show they

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<v Speaker 5>did not take any fingerprints from the breaker panel, nor

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<v Speaker 5>did they take any other fingerprint evidence from the home

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<v Speaker 5>or ask Patty if she had been hurt. They instead

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<v Speaker 5>took note of Patty's collection of murder mystery novels and

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<v Speaker 5>Bill's life insurance policy. They did find a box of

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<v Speaker 5>twenty two caliber rounds in the house, the same kind

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<v Speaker 5>of bullets used to kill Bill, and Patty told police

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<v Speaker 5>that Bill actually had two guns in the house, but

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<v Speaker 5>the police could only find one. Eventually, the second gun

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<v Speaker 5>by twenty two, what they presumed was the murder weapon,

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<v Speaker 5>would be recovered in a shallow pond on the prove

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<v Speaker 5>It property. Later that night, Patty was interrogated at the

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<v Speaker 5>police station by Detective Kevin Hughes, the lead investigator, and.

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<v Speaker 4>When he said he wanted to swap my hands for

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<v Speaker 4>a night break, you see if you fired firearms up

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<v Speaker 4>gun and I was like, oh yeah. But as he's

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<v Speaker 4>swabbing my hands, I'm thinking, well, why would he want

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<v Speaker 4>to swap my hands, and that was kind of when

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<v Speaker 4>I went in my head. I was like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 4>he's not even listening to me about Phill's murder. He's

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<v Speaker 4>not an anting to me at all.

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<v Speaker 5>The gun residue test came back negative. By this time,

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<v Speaker 5>standard procedure would dictate that Patty should have had a

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<v Speaker 5>rape kit because she did tell the police the man

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<v Speaker 5>in the house who presumably killed Bill had pulled down

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<v Speaker 5>her pants and was struggling with his belts. But remember

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<v Speaker 5>she never said she was actually raped. Detectives did, however,

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<v Speaker 5>collect her pajamas she was wearing, started.

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<v Speaker 4>Asking me about the insurance and things like that. Then

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, oh my god, this is nobody paying

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<v Speaker 4>any attention to me. For not pay attention to what

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<v Speaker 4>I have to say. So went on and on and on.

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<v Speaker 4>It becomes to a point, well, you don't even know

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<v Speaker 4>what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 5>Detective Hughes and who investigators immediately started digging into Patty's

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<v Speaker 5>life after they found out about what they called her

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<v Speaker 5>quote affairs and quote infidelity. They seemed set with this

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<v Speaker 5>aspect of her personal life as a motive. After less

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<v Speaker 5>than a day of investigating, Detective Hughes announced that Patti

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<v Speaker 5>Pruett was the lead suspect in her husband Bill's murder.

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<v Speaker 5>Two days later, on February twentieth, Patty was again questioned,

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<v Speaker 5>this time for about sixteen hours. Only fifteen minutes of

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<v Speaker 5>the interview was actually recorded.

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<v Speaker 4>It was like some kind of culture thing that's a

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<v Speaker 4>to drink, no sleep. All I could think about is

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<v Speaker 4>who has the kids? Where are they? What's going on

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<v Speaker 4>with them asking me the same stupid questions. And I

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<v Speaker 4>kept answering the same questions over and over, and then

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<v Speaker 4>they would play places and they would scream at me,

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<v Speaker 4>and then they come in and go the nice you know, well,

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<v Speaker 4>we can make this okay. All I have to do

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<v Speaker 4>is some staff and they'll all go away. We'll understand.

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<v Speaker 6>Did you know that you could ask for a lawyer?

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<v Speaker 4>No, No, I had no idea. What was nobody This

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<v Speaker 4>may sound crazy, Nobody in my family had ever been

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<v Speaker 4>so much as pulled over, arrested or anything. Ever.

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<v Speaker 5>Patty was arrested that day and charged with capital murder.

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<v Speaker 5>She was released on bond awaiting trial, and as she

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<v Speaker 5>and the children struggled to adjust to the loss of

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<v Speaker 5>their husband and father, things only got worse, Patty was

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<v Speaker 5>harassed with anonymous phone calls, threats, and robberies. She noticed

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<v Speaker 5>strange people wandering on her property, and she even found

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<v Speaker 5>three of her dogs dead on a nearby farm, apparently poisoned.

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<v Speaker 5>When she got a new dog, he was hung by

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<v Speaker 5>his collar. Patty was virtually branded with a scarlet letter

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<v Speaker 5>by the community, Considered both an adulteress and a murderer.

0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:30.960
<v Speaker 5>Patty was offered a plea deal that would reduce her

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<v Speaker 5>charges to six or seven years, but she refused it,

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<v Speaker 5>saying she didn't want to be taken from her children.

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<v Speaker 5>She insisted she was innocent. The trial started on April sixteenth,

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<v Speaker 5>nineteen eighty five. Patty's family, children and friends, as well

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<v Speaker 5>as Bill's relatives all attended. Tom Williams was the prosecutor,

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<v Speaker 5>and due to the lack of evidence against Patty, he

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<v Speaker 5>instead emphasized that she was an adulteress and used sexist

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<v Speaker 5>tropes and gender biases to paint Patty out to be

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<v Speaker 5>a horrible woman and mother who would kill her husband.

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<v Speaker 3>The cornerstone of the case, the opening statement of the prosecution,

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<v Speaker 3>is you know this was a woman motivated by lost

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<v Speaker 3>and greed.

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<v Speaker 5>This is Patty's attorney, Brian reichardt he first came across

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<v Speaker 5>Patty's case in twenty ten when he was in law school,

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<v Speaker 5>and it stuck with him.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, when I first read the trial transcript, I

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<v Speaker 3>was disturbed and I thought, you know, there very well

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<v Speaker 3>could be a wrongful conviction here. But over the years,

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<v Speaker 3>as I've learned more about the case, as I've been

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<v Speaker 3>able to study the investigators records, as I've been able

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<v Speaker 3>to read accounts from the prosecutor who prosecuted this case,

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<v Speaker 3>I've become convinced that this is indeed a wrongful conviction

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<v Speaker 3>and something that needs to be addressed.

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<v Speaker 5>Bryan says one of the key facts to pay attention

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<v Speaker 5>to in this case is that Patty's sixteen hour inn

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<v Speaker 5>with Detective Hughes was not recorded again, only the first

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<v Speaker 5>fifteen minutes were, and he says this freed Hughes to

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<v Speaker 5>be able to put forth his version of what Patty

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<v Speaker 5>supposedly told him.

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<v Speaker 3>Because it was unrecorded, the lead investigator is able to

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<v Speaker 3>take the stand and characterize the interview, and so he

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<v Speaker 3>says things like, oh, you know, I asked her about

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<v Speaker 3>why she had these affairs, and she says Oh my,

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<v Speaker 3>my sexual engine is hotter than most.

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<v Speaker 5>Did you say that?

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<v Speaker 4>Nobody, no woman in the face of the earth ever

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<v Speaker 4>said that. I mean really, certainly, no woman who's being

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<v Speaker 4>interrogated for the murder of her husband ever said going

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<v Speaker 4>like that. The fact that he said that read romance

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<v Speaker 4>novels or something.

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<v Speaker 5>What that another thing? Detective Hughes alleges Patty said over

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<v Speaker 5>the course of the instigation.

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<v Speaker 6>Did you invite him to dinner before you went to prison?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh? My god, he was so mean to me. No,

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<v Speaker 4>I did not. I mean good dinner. I just wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to get home to my kids. If I'd never saw

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<v Speaker 4>him again, I would have been more than having.

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<v Speaker 5>According to the trial transcripts, here are some of the

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<v Speaker 5>phrases used by prosecutor Williams during the trial to attack

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<v Speaker 5>Patty's character. Quote the defendant was motivated by sheer greed

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<v Speaker 5>and sexual lust and had been for years. Quote. She

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<v Speaker 5>disregarded her marital vows and the noticeable obligations of motherhood.

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<v Speaker 5>Quote she pursued one sleazy affair after another, one two

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<v Speaker 5>at a time. Williams even called three of Patty's former

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<v Speaker 5>partners to testify against her. Two of them eventually said

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<v Speaker 5>that they were coerced by the police and prosecution to

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<v Speaker 5>do so, and these were partners she had while she

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<v Speaker 5>and Bill were scept and knew that the other person

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<v Speaker 5>was seeing other people and agreed to it. Partners she

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<v Speaker 5>had five years before Bill's murder.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, if you just take a step back, the

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<v Speaker 3>state had to argue that a mother of five was

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<v Speaker 3>going to would kill her husband, and what kind of

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<v Speaker 3>person would do that? The states I did that the

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<v Speaker 3>way they were going to move the jury is to

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<v Speaker 3>paint this mother as a bad mother in an unfaithful life,

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<v Speaker 3>and so that was so much of their case.

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<v Speaker 5>Patty's daughter, Sarah, who was thirteen years old at the time,

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<v Speaker 5>testified that as she was leaving the house that night,

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<v Speaker 5>she saw a flashlight under the basement stairs and heard

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<v Speaker 5>someone moving around down there, but her testimony seemed to

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<v Speaker 5>hold little weight against Prosecutor Williams's case. He also called

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<v Speaker 5>pathologist James Bridgens to review the autopsy. Bridgins and his

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<v Speaker 5>testimonies would later become discredited on multiple occasions. For example,

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<v Speaker 5>in nineteen ninety when he had ruled a case that

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<v Speaker 5>a woman was stabbed to death. Well later, X Ray

0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:12.320
<v Speaker 5>showed that she was actually shot four times. Patty's attorneys, meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 5>never called their own expert to refute his findings. Any

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<v Speaker 5>potential evidence from Patty's pajamas was never brought up. The

0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:23.960
<v Speaker 5>defense also did not acknowledge that her alleged affairs were

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<v Speaker 5>in fact known and agreed to by Bill at the time.

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<v Speaker 5>Now you might be wondering why Patty never screamed from

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<v Speaker 5>the roof that this was all consensual. Well, it was

0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:39.080
<v Speaker 5>Patty's decision. She insisted to her attorneys that she did

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<v Speaker 5>not want Bill criticized in front of their kids, whether

0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:46.280
<v Speaker 5>it hurt her or not. She did not want them

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<v Speaker 5>to know that Bill also had affairs and that they

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<v Speaker 5>both knew about each other's relationships. She figured it was

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<v Speaker 5>bad enough the whole town was already gossiping about their mom.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to say to think badly or Badham.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't want his family to feel badly Abadham. He

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't there to extand his decision. I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 4>just didn't think it was anybody's dog on business. He

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<v Speaker 4>was such a good guy. She hadn't deserved a heavy

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<v Speaker 4>black marks, and.

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<v Speaker 5>Her own rape during the murder was also never mentioned

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<v Speaker 5>during the trial, because remember, she never told the police

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<v Speaker 5>about it. All she told them was that the intruder

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<v Speaker 5>held something to her throat, tried to unbuckle his pants

0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:39.040
<v Speaker 5>while her pants were down, but fled.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the things they argued against, you know, Patty's

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<v Speaker 3>account that she was attacked, and one of the arguments

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<v Speaker 3>the prosecutor made, you know, in front of the jury was,

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<v Speaker 3>this is a direct quote from the case, why would

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<v Speaker 3>you do this to enjoy Patty's often enjoyed sexual favors.

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<v Speaker 5>Patty didn't tell the police about her rape the night

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<v Speaker 5>of Bill's murder, but she did tell her toes about it.

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<v Speaker 5>She also told them to keep it out of court

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<v Speaker 5>and out of earshot from her kids. However, Patty's daughter

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<v Speaker 5>Jane says she noticed evidence of the assault days later

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<v Speaker 5>when they were getting ready for Bill's funeral.

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<v Speaker 7>And that morning, Mom didn't want me to come in

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<v Speaker 7>the bathroom, like she's kind of pushing against the door,

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<v Speaker 7>and I didn't understand what was happening, and I pushed

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<v Speaker 7>and then I saw her and she was so horribly bruised,

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<v Speaker 7>her hip bones, her thighs, the inside of her thighs,

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<v Speaker 7>and I assumed that the police knew this or saw

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<v Speaker 7>her body, or that her friends or our family.

0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:43.359
<v Speaker 5>But they didn't. A rape kit was never done, and

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<v Speaker 5>that crucial evidence is gone forever.

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<v Speaker 7>And even though I was fourteen, I thought of her

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<v Speaker 7>as being much bigger than me, and that morning I

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<v Speaker 7>remember thinking, she's not that big, like she seemed small

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<v Speaker 7>to me, and she'd been hurt.

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<v Speaker 5>Jane never testified, but her sister Sarah, the one who

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<v Speaker 5>saw the light under the basement, did.

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<v Speaker 3>If you look at the women's accounts, it's interesting how

0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:14.159
<v Speaker 3>the voices of women in this case were ignored and

0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:16.359
<v Speaker 3>the voices of men, even though when there was reason

0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:20.960
<v Speaker 3>to be suspicious of those arguments, they were raised as truth.

0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:26.399
<v Speaker 5>The trial lasted four days. At the end the jury

0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:29.919
<v Speaker 5>was deadlocked. They were told to go back and try harder.

0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:34.000
<v Speaker 5>They eventually came back with a unanimous guilty verdict and

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<v Speaker 5>Patty was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility

0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:42.600
<v Speaker 5>of parole but after fifty years. She's eligible in twenty

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<v Speaker 5>thirty six, when she'll be eighty six years old.

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<v Speaker 7>When the verdict came, everybody just lost it. I mean,

0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:56.280
<v Speaker 7>the judge was telling us all to be quiet. Nobody

0:27:56.280 --> 0:28:00.240
<v Speaker 7>wanted to be quiet. My brother's sisters were just screamed, mean,

0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:05.560
<v Speaker 7>just screaming, and one of my sisters ran out out

0:28:05.600 --> 0:28:10.000
<v Speaker 7>of the courthouse into the street like it was a

0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:13.040
<v Speaker 7>really traumatic time. I don't think that any of us

0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:15.719
<v Speaker 7>could have been emotionally prepared to be there for that

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<v Speaker 7>and hear the verdict, and to hear fifty years life

0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:26.560
<v Speaker 7>with no parole for fifty years, that was just unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 5>Was there anything in their relationship or from your memory

0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:35.480
<v Speaker 5>that would indicate to you that your mother would murder

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<v Speaker 5>your father?

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<v Speaker 7>No, No, not at all. They no, No, Like you know,

0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:51.520
<v Speaker 7>they were really good friends and they seemingly had a

0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:54.800
<v Speaker 7>lot of fun together, and I think that when things

0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:59.040
<v Speaker 7>were tense, even when they were younger, when we were

0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:03.360
<v Speaker 7>all young, that they worked it out. And she was

0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:05.600
<v Speaker 7>not that kind of person at all.

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<v Speaker 3>The lead investigator made a decision very early on that

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<v Speaker 3>Patty was the prime suspect, and that colored the way

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:25.640
<v Speaker 3>he conducted the investigation, and he led the investigation.

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<v Speaker 5>This is Patty's attorney, Brian Reichard again talking about Detective Hughes.

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<v Speaker 5>Even before trial. He says things went horribly wrong with

0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:36.040
<v Speaker 5>Patty's investigation.

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<v Speaker 3>And one of the primary things we've seen is this

0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:42.720
<v Speaker 3>concept of tunnel vision, when a lead investigator gets it

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:47.440
<v Speaker 3>in their head that somebody is the prime suspect and

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<v Speaker 3>focuses all of their energy on confirming that suspicion and

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<v Speaker 3>ignoring everything else. You know, if you knew there were

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:56.880
<v Speaker 3>areas like the breaker box that cut off the electricity

0:29:56.880 --> 0:30:00.880
<v Speaker 3>to the house, you know, whoever committed this crime touched that,

0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:03.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, you would ust that for Prince and lift prince.

0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:06.640
<v Speaker 3>They didn't do that. You would collect hair, they didn't

0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 3>do that. You would follow leads. For example, you know,

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:14.680
<v Speaker 3>Patty's daughter shared an account of seen a light from

0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:16.880
<v Speaker 3>the basement when they were leaving the house, and so

0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:19.920
<v Speaker 3>that would indicate somebody's in the basement. There's no evidence

0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:23.520
<v Speaker 3>that they followed up on that report from Patty's daughter.

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<v Speaker 5>And also one of the neighbors had tried to issue

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<v Speaker 5>a report with the sheriff's office stating she had seen

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<v Speaker 5>a suspicious vehicle parked on the wrong side of the

0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:36.800
<v Speaker 5>road facing the preu at home hours before the murder,

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<v Speaker 5>but it was ignored. So this information was never disclosed

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<v Speaker 5>to the defense.

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<v Speaker 3>And again, this is rural Missouri, so it's abnormal for

0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:46.640
<v Speaker 3>there to be a car in the middle of the

0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:50.240
<v Speaker 3>night that the neighbors don't know about. The lead investigator

0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 3>did nothing about this.

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<v Speaker 5>One of the most bizarre things about Patty's case is

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<v Speaker 5>that in twenty sixteen, decades after her conviction, a book

0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:04.400
<v Speaker 5>written by the lead prosecutor, Tom Williams was published called

0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:08.760
<v Speaker 5>Practice to Deceive. Williams had died two years before his

0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:11.920
<v Speaker 5>book came out after his death. Now, the book does

0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:16.080
<v Speaker 5>not say Patty is innocent, but it does criticize what

0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:21.440
<v Speaker 5>Williams acknowledges was a shoddy investigation, and Williams boasts that

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<v Speaker 5>if it were not for his own prosecutorial skills, Patty

0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:27.160
<v Speaker 5>would be free right now.

0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:33.120
<v Speaker 3>He described sloppy evidence management. He describes a forensic expert

0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:36.200
<v Speaker 3>who was a star Warsness as a doctor cop. He

0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:41.320
<v Speaker 3>describes how he gratuitously asked questions of Patty on the

0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:43.640
<v Speaker 3>stand to portray her as a bad mother to move

0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:48.000
<v Speaker 3>the jury. I mean, he admits this. He's affirming everything

0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 3>we're saying about tunnel vision.

0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:52.520
<v Speaker 5>And Williams also discusses detective Hughes.

0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:56.520
<v Speaker 3>He describes this investigator as an ambitious young I mean

0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:59.520
<v Speaker 3>you think he was twenty seven deputy sheriff who had

0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:02.640
<v Speaker 3>ambition to move up, and he needed a case with

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:05.120
<v Speaker 3>a lot of interest where he could take the lead

0:32:05.160 --> 0:32:08.000
<v Speaker 3>and get publicity. That's the words of the prosecutor.

0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:10.840
<v Speaker 5>And he did. Hughes went on to become a private

0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:15.280
<v Speaker 5>detective in Wyoming. He later resigned following an internal investigation

0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:24.440
<v Speaker 5>into his conduct. Up until twenty seventeen, crucial evidence in

0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:28.080
<v Speaker 5>this case was presumed to be lost. This included Patty's pajamas,

0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:31.800
<v Speaker 5>and once this evidence was uncovered, Patty's team petitioned the

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:36.240
<v Speaker 5>courts to test her pajamas for DNA along with other evidence.

0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:40.520
<v Speaker 5>Remember DNA testing was not available in nineteen eighty four,

0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:43.239
<v Speaker 5>the year of the crime, a hearing was granted by

0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:44.960
<v Speaker 5>Judge Robert L. Kaufman.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was an extraordinary moment because as we're making

0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:53.800
<v Speaker 3>this argument, the judge, who was a different judge than

0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 3>the trial judge, didn't work on Patty's case, but was

0:32:57.280 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 3>still in the courtroom at the time of the trial.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:04.880
<v Speaker 3>I remember this case because I remember she testified that

0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:08.680
<v Speaker 3>her sexual engine burns hotter than others. I remember that

0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:12.240
<v Speaker 3>that's what makes this case unique, and that was just

0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:14.720
<v Speaker 3>an astounding moment for a number of reasons.

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:18.080
<v Speaker 5>It goes to show the impact that misogyny had on

0:33:18.160 --> 0:33:22.760
<v Speaker 5>Patty's case even decades later. Judge Kaufman quickly denied the request,

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:26.760
<v Speaker 5>writing quote, you cannot believe her story, and DNA findings

0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 5>of any kind do not change that fact. In other words,

0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:33.920
<v Speaker 5>Kaufman believed that because of Patty's alleged promiscuity, the presence

0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:37.960
<v Speaker 5>of DNA on Patty's pajamas would not necessarily confirm that

0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:41.080
<v Speaker 5>she was raped or that she wasn't the murderer. He

0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:43.480
<v Speaker 5>also notes, quote, it should be kept in mind there

0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:46.920
<v Speaker 5>were numerous showings that Miss Pruett was not a truth teller.

0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:53.680
<v Speaker 5>Patty's legal team says there were other people in the

0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:58.040
<v Speaker 5>community who could have had motive, means, an opportunity, and

0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:00.160
<v Speaker 5>may have wanted Bill out of the picture.

0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:05.520
<v Speaker 3>Bill and Patty were active in their community, and what

0:34:05.560 --> 0:34:09.080
<v Speaker 3>we've heard from folks who lived in Holden at the

0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:14.800
<v Speaker 3>time was there was concerns about drugs, and Patty and Bill,

0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:18.799
<v Speaker 3>as parents of kids, were concerned about their kids and

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:21.759
<v Speaker 3>started to look into what was going on in their

0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:23.440
<v Speaker 3>community with the drug trade.

0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:27.960
<v Speaker 5>Police did not thoroughly investigate this or other leads, including

0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:30.920
<v Speaker 5>the unknown car that Patty's neighbor had seen on the street.

0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:34.520
<v Speaker 5>DNA testing might have helped Patty's case, but by now

0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:40.640
<v Speaker 5>Patty has exhausted her appeals. Her only hope is clemency.

0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:44.640
<v Speaker 5>Patty has applied for clemency multiple times. Her petition from

0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:48.040
<v Speaker 5>December of twenty ten is still waiting a response for

0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:51.480
<v Speaker 5>Missouri Governor Mike Parson. It is one of more than

0:34:51.600 --> 0:35:03.560
<v Speaker 5>three thousand clemency petitions he has yet to review. While

0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:07.160
<v Speaker 5>she waits, Patty and her family have had thirty six

0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:11.799
<v Speaker 5>years to process their losses, including the death of Patty's son,

0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:15.240
<v Speaker 5>Matt in nineteen ninety two when he was just eighteen.

0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:18.799
<v Speaker 5>His death was ruled a suicide, and at the same

0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:21.400
<v Speaker 5>time Patty lost her kids when she was sent to prison.

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 5>They also lost their mother. You know, when you're sixteen,

0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:27.440
<v Speaker 5>you're going through the most formative time of your life.

0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:32.319
<v Speaker 5>You know, boyfriends or girlfriends or whoever in periods and

0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:34.680
<v Speaker 5>those kinds of things. I mean, who did you go.

0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:35.799
<v Speaker 6>To for that?

0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:40.120
<v Speaker 7>Mostly Mom's sister, my aunt Mary, who has since passed.

0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:43.640
<v Speaker 7>She was great about all those kind of things, which

0:35:43.719 --> 0:35:47.920
<v Speaker 7>was which was great but she was also you know,

0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:52.040
<v Speaker 7>young mom was only thirty six when she left for prison,

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:55.840
<v Speaker 7>and Mary would have been thirty three, and she was

0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:59.200
<v Speaker 7>a single mom with two little boys, so she had

0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:03.960
<v Speaker 7>a lot on her place also, right right, absolutely, so

0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:07.320
<v Speaker 7>you kind of you know, even if you have people

0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:09.080
<v Speaker 7>in your life, you still kind of feel like you're

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:12.440
<v Speaker 7>a burden when it's not your parents taking care of you.

0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:16.560
<v Speaker 5>And since Patty was unable to be a parent to

0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:20.160
<v Speaker 5>her own kids, she became a proxy mom for young

0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:21.200
<v Speaker 5>women in prison.

0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:25.640
<v Speaker 4>Well, what person matter is I'm a mama at my core,

0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:30.080
<v Speaker 4>and when I came to prison, I was thirty foot

0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:34.400
<v Speaker 4>and most kids in prison are much younger. So I

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:41.120
<v Speaker 4>came in as an adult. And if you can to

0:36:41.120 --> 0:36:43.960
<v Speaker 4>help people, what's the used to being alive?

0:36:46.800 --> 0:36:49.680
<v Speaker 3>You know, she has every right to be angry at

0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:53.560
<v Speaker 3>the world. You know, she's lost so much. She obviously

0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:57.719
<v Speaker 3>lost her husband, she effectively lost her children. Just in

0:36:57.760 --> 0:37:00.720
<v Speaker 3>the last twelve years, I've seen her lose her father,

0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:05.759
<v Speaker 3>her mother, her sister, and her brother, and obviously she

0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:08.480
<v Speaker 3>lost her son years earlier. She hasn't been able to

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:11.840
<v Speaker 3>go to any of those funerals, and just the pain

0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:14.640
<v Speaker 3>that she's been through and as I said, she has

0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:16.719
<v Speaker 3>every right to be angry at the world. And what

0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:21.400
<v Speaker 3>is she doing. She's mothering and mentoring generations of women

0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:24.960
<v Speaker 3>behind bars and women who are doing well now and

0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:29.239
<v Speaker 3>they credit Patty, and it's really it's awe inspiring and

0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:31.680
<v Speaker 3>it's extraordinary.

0:37:32.480 --> 0:37:34.760
<v Speaker 5>Many of the women Patty has met in prison credit

0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:38.040
<v Speaker 5>her with their rehabilitation and ability to pursue their dreams.

0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:41.320
<v Speaker 5>In a video created by Patty's legal team, these women

0:37:41.600 --> 0:37:44.239
<v Speaker 5>urge Governor Parson to grant Patty clemency.

0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:47.440
<v Speaker 8>Patty never stopped believing in me. She always encouraged me

0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:53.040
<v Speaker 8>to write, to improve myself, to exercise, to just simply

0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:55.560
<v Speaker 8>do the next right thing and believe in myself. She

0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:58.920
<v Speaker 8>changed my entire life and I was a repeat offender,

0:37:59.000 --> 0:37:59.960
<v Speaker 8>not looking to be anything.

0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:03.279
<v Speaker 5>But if she could do that for me, imagine what

0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:04.360
<v Speaker 5>she can do for the world.

0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:14.920
<v Speaker 4>So the only way these kids are ever going to

0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:18.279
<v Speaker 4>be somebody and get out of this endless loop of

0:38:18.400 --> 0:38:23.439
<v Speaker 4>incarcration is to believe in themselves and realize that they're

0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:28.479
<v Speaker 4>good people, as they deserve a good life. And if

0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:31.759
<v Speaker 4>that's why I'm in this damn place, then I will

0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:34.120
<v Speaker 4>try to stay as many of these kids as I did.

0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:40.239
<v Speaker 5>Who's your cheerleader, Patty? When you're helping everybody and be

0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:41.759
<v Speaker 5>in the mama, who's there for you?

0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:47.920
<v Speaker 4>Listen, I'm a big girl. I'm gonna don't so helping

0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:50.919
<v Speaker 4>them is what helped me if I didn't have these

0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:55.719
<v Speaker 4>kids around me. Good lord, I'm an old lady. I

0:38:55.800 --> 0:38:59.400
<v Speaker 4>know all the new songs, I know the new dances.

0:38:59.840 --> 0:39:01.879
<v Speaker 4>I mean, the kid's keep me young.

0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:05.879
<v Speaker 5>Despite her circumstances, Patty has made the best of it.

0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:10.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm a student in Washington University out of Saint Louis.

0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:15.040
<v Speaker 4>That is still is amazing to me that this opportunity

0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:15.799
<v Speaker 4>has come to me.

0:39:16.400 --> 0:39:19.680
<v Speaker 5>Patty says she's committed to one day getting her bachelor's degree,

0:39:19.840 --> 0:39:22.200
<v Speaker 5>and if she gets out of prison, she also has

0:39:22.239 --> 0:39:23.200
<v Speaker 5>a lot more planned.

0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:27.319
<v Speaker 4>And I've got all these kids and grandkids, and I've

0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:29.880
<v Speaker 4>got a book I'm writing. I know they've wrought some

0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:32.759
<v Speaker 4>books out there by prisons, but I would like to.

0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:40.360
<v Speaker 4>But especially women, know what Christmas like. People keep adding

0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:44.680
<v Speaker 4>money to a conference to build prisons. It's not doing

0:39:44.719 --> 0:39:50.239
<v Speaker 4>any good. It's just the opposite. And I would love

0:39:50.280 --> 0:39:55.800
<v Speaker 4>to lobby. They would hate me with the capital because

0:39:55.840 --> 0:39:59.160
<v Speaker 4>I would be like to tend So, Yeah, I'm going

0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:01.600
<v Speaker 4>to cause some problem. That's what. That's Michael.

0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:06.760
<v Speaker 6>There's nothing better than an old lady wreaking havoc.

0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:17.480
<v Speaker 5>If you have any information about this case or want

0:40:17.520 --> 0:40:22.279
<v Speaker 5>to help Patty, go to Pattiprouit dot com. On our

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<v Speaker 5>next episode, how does a guy with nineteen alibi witnesses

0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:28.160
<v Speaker 5>get convicted for murder?

0:40:28.680 --> 0:40:30.719
<v Speaker 6>It didn't matter what I had to say, what type

0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:33.880
<v Speaker 6>of evidence of the alibis that I had to present,

0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:35.640
<v Speaker 6>It just didn't matter.

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<v Speaker 4>Only one it was to get in an arrest.

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<v Speaker 5>Next time on Wrongful Conviction with Maggie Freeling, Melvin Ortiz,

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