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Speaker 1: But when we do talk to women, I actually haven't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's that's a rough one. I can't

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Speaker 5: From love of for Good, I'm Maggie Freeling and this

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Speaker 5: is wrongful conviction with Maggie Freeling today, Patti Prewit. In

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Speaker 5: the early hours of February eighteenth, nineteen eighty four, Patty

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Speaker 4: I'm an old lady, seventy two. I've been in prison

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Speaker 4: I'm Patty Putt, and geez, I'm a prisoner in Missouri

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Speaker 4: and have been for nearly thirty six years. I did

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Speaker 5: Patricia Prewitt was born on July third, nineteen forty nine,

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Speaker 5: Patty and Bill met when they were in middle school,

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Speaker 5: So in nineteen sixty eight, at just nineteen, Patty and

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Speaker 4: Those days, nobody had counseling and nobody told stuff. You

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Speaker 5: But Patty did tell Bill. She says he was helpful

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Speaker 5: During this time. By mutual consent, they were both seeing

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Speaker 4: When you're living apart and when you're not part of

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Speaker 5: You know, we're separated, we're living apart, we can see

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Speaker 5: In nineteen seventy seven, Patty became pregnant with another man's

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Speaker 4: It was horrible, I mean really horrible. That really wasn't

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Speaker 4: Was born, and Bill didn't treat him like he was

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Speaker 5: By now, Patty and Bill were raising five kids. Having

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Speaker 4: But I look back, I think we were so lively fine.

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Speaker 5: February eighteenth, nineteen eighty four, Bill and Patty went out

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Speaker 5: The gun residue test came back negative. By this time,

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Speaker 5: standard procedure would dictate that Patty should have had a

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Speaker 4: Asking me about the insurance and things like that. Then

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Speaker 4: It becomes to a point, well, you don't even know

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Speaker 5: Detective Hughes and who investigators immediately started digging into Patty's

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Speaker 5: than a day of investigating, Detective Hughes announced that Patti

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Speaker 5: Pruett was the lead suspect in her husband Bill's murder.

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Speaker 5: Two days later, on February twentieth, Patty was again questioned,

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Speaker 5: this time for about sixteen hours. Only fifteen minutes of

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Speaker 4: It was like some kind of culture thing that's a

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Speaker 6: Did you know that you could ask for a lawyer?

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Speaker 4: No, No, I had no idea. What was nobody This

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Speaker 5: Patty was arrested that day and charged with capital murder.

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Speaker 5: She was released on bond awaiting trial, and as she

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Speaker 5: When she got a new dog, he was hung by

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Speaker 5: by the community, Considered both an adulteress and a murderer.

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Speaker 5: Patty was offered a plea deal that would reduce her

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Speaker 5: saying she didn't want to be taken from her children.

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Speaker 5: She insisted she was innocent. The trial started on April sixteenth,

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Speaker 5: nineteen eighty five. Patty's family, children and friends, as well

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Speaker 5: as Bill's relatives all attended. Tom Williams was the prosecutor,

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Speaker 5: and due to the lack of evidence against Patty, he

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Speaker 5: instead emphasized that she was an adulteress and used sexist

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Speaker 5: tropes and gender biases to paint Patty out to be

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Speaker 3: The cornerstone of the case, the opening statement of the prosecution,

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Speaker 5: This is Patty's attorney, Brian reichardt he first came across

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Speaker 5: Patty's case in twenty ten when he was in law school,

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Speaker 5: and it stuck with him.

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Speaker 3: You know, when I first read the trial transcript, I

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Speaker 3: was disturbed and I thought, you know, there very well

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Speaker 3: could be a wrongful conviction here. But over the years,

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Speaker 3: as I've learned more about the case, as I've been

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Speaker 3: I've become convinced that this is indeed a wrongful conviction

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Speaker 5: Bryan says one of the key facts to pay attention

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Speaker 5: to in this case is that Patty's sixteen hour inn

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Speaker 5: with Detective Hughes was not recorded again, only the first

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Speaker 5: fifteen minutes were, and he says this freed Hughes to

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Speaker 3: Because it was unrecorded, the lead investigator is able to

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Speaker 3: why she had these affairs, and she says Oh my,

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Speaker 3: my sexual engine is hotter than most.

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Speaker 5: Did you say that?

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Speaker 4: Nobody, no woman in the face of the earth ever

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Speaker 5: What that another thing? Detective Hughes alleges Patty said over

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Speaker 5: the course of the instigation.

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Speaker 6: Did you invite him to dinner before you went to prison?

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Speaker 4: Oh? My god, he was so mean to me. No,

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Speaker 4: I did not. I mean good dinner. I just wanted

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Speaker 4: to get home to my kids. If I'd never saw

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Speaker 5: According to the trial transcripts, here are some of the

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Speaker 5: phrases used by prosecutor Williams during the trial to attack

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Speaker 5: Patty's character. Quote the defendant was motivated by sheer greed

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Speaker 5: and sexual lust and had been for years. Quote. She

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Speaker 5: disregarded her marital vows and the noticeable obligations of motherhood.

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Speaker 5: Quote she pursued one sleazy affair after another, one two

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Speaker 5: at a time. Williams even called three of Patty's former

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you just take a step back, the

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Speaker 3: state had to argue that a mother of five was

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Speaker 3: going to would kill her husband, and what kind of

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Speaker 3: paint this mother as a bad mother in an unfaithful life,

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Speaker 5: Patty's daughter, Sarah, who was thirteen years old at the time,

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Speaker 5: hold little weight against Prosecutor Williams's case. He also called

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Speaker 5: pathologist James Bridgens to review the autopsy. Bridgins and his

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Speaker 5: in nineteen ninety when he had ruled a case that

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Speaker 5: showed that she was actually shot four times. Patty's attorneys, meanwhile,

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Speaker 5: never called their own expert to refute his findings. Any

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Speaker 5: potential evidence from Patty's pajamas was never brought up. The

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Speaker 5: defense also did not acknowledge that her alleged affairs were

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Speaker 5: Now you might be wondering why Patty never screamed from

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Speaker 5: Patty's decision. She insisted to her attorneys that she did

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Speaker 5: not want Bill criticized in front of their kids, whether

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Speaker 4: I don't want to say to think badly or Badham.

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Speaker 4: I didn't want his family to feel badly Abadham. He

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Speaker 4: just didn't think it was anybody's dog on business. He

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Speaker 4: was such a good guy. She hadn't deserved a heavy

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Speaker 5: Her own rape during the murder was also never mentioned

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Speaker 3: One of the things they argued against, you know, Patty's

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Speaker 3: this is a direct quote from the case, why would

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Speaker 3: you do this to enjoy Patty's often enjoyed sexual favors.

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Speaker 5: Patty didn't tell the police about her rape the night

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Speaker 5: She also told them to keep it out of court

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Speaker 5: and out of earshot from her kids. However, Patty's daughter

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Speaker 5: Jane says she noticed evidence of the assault days later

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Speaker 7: And that morning, Mom didn't want me to come in

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Speaker 5: But they didn't. A rape kit was never done, and

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Speaker 7: And even though I was fourteen, I thought of her

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Speaker 5: Jane never testified, but her sister Sarah, the one who

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Speaker 3: If you look at the women's accounts, it's interesting how

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Speaker 5: The trial lasted four days. At the end the jury

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Speaker 5: They eventually came back with a unanimous guilty verdict and

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Speaker 5: Patty was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility

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Speaker 7: When the verdict came, everybody just lost it. I mean,

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Speaker 7: the judge was telling us all to be quiet. Nobody

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Speaker 7: with no parole for fifty years, that was just unbelievable.

437
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Speaker 5: Was there anything in their relationship or from your memory

438
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Speaker 5: that would indicate to you that your mother would murder

439
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Speaker 5: your father?

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Speaker 7: No, No, not at all. They no, No, Like you know,

441
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 7: they were really good friends and they seemingly had a

442
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 7: lot of fun together, and I think that when things

443
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 7: were tense, even when they were younger, when we were

444
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 7: all young, that they worked it out. And she was

445
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 7: not that kind of person at all.

446
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 3: The lead investigator made a decision very early on that

447
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 3: Patty was the prime suspect, and that colored the way

448
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 3: he conducted the investigation, and he led the investigation.

449
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 5: This is Patty's attorney, Brian Reichard again talking about Detective Hughes.

450
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 5: Even before trial. He says things went horribly wrong with

451
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Speaker 5: Patty's investigation.

452
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Speaker 3: And one of the primary things we've seen is this

453
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: concept of tunnel vision, when a lead investigator gets it

454
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 3: in their head that somebody is the prime suspect and

455
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,479
Speaker 3: focuses all of their energy on confirming that suspicion and

456
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 3: ignoring everything else. You know, if you knew there were

457
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Speaker 3: areas like the breaker box that cut off the electricity

458
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: to the house, you know, whoever committed this crime touched that,

459
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 3: you know, you would ust that for Prince and lift prince.

460
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 3: They didn't do that. You would collect hair, they didn't

461
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 3: do that. You would follow leads. For example, you know,

462
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 3: Patty's daughter shared an account of seen a light from

463
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 3: the basement when they were leaving the house, and so

464
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Speaker 3: that would indicate somebody's in the basement. There's no evidence

465
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 3: that they followed up on that report from Patty's daughter.

466
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 5: And also one of the neighbors had tried to issue

467
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Speaker 5: a report with the sheriff's office stating she had seen

468
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 5: a suspicious vehicle parked on the wrong side of the

469
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 5: road facing the preu at home hours before the murder,

470
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Speaker 5: but it was ignored. So this information was never disclosed

471
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Speaker 5: to the defense.

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Speaker 3: And again, this is rural Missouri, so it's abnormal for

473
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Speaker 3: there to be a car in the middle of the

474
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Speaker 3: night that the neighbors don't know about. The lead investigator

475
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Speaker 3: did nothing about this.

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Speaker 5: One of the most bizarre things about Patty's case is

477
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Speaker 5: that in twenty sixteen, decades after her conviction, a book

478
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 5: written by the lead prosecutor, Tom Williams was published called

479
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 5: Practice to Deceive. Williams had died two years before his

480
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 5: book came out after his death. Now, the book does

481
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 5: not say Patty is innocent, but it does criticize what

482
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 5: Williams acknowledges was a shoddy investigation, and Williams boasts that

483
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 5: if it were not for his own prosecutorial skills, Patty

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Speaker 5: would be free right now.

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Speaker 3: He described sloppy evidence management. He describes a forensic expert

486
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: who was a star Warsness as a doctor cop. He

487
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 3: describes how he gratuitously asked questions of Patty on the

488
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 3: stand to portray her as a bad mother to move

489
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Speaker 3: the jury. I mean, he admits this. He's affirming everything

490
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Speaker 3: we're saying about tunnel vision.

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Speaker 5: And Williams also discusses detective Hughes.

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Speaker 3: He describes this investigator as an ambitious young I mean

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Speaker 3: you think he was twenty seven deputy sheriff who had

494
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 3: ambition to move up, and he needed a case with

495
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 3: a lot of interest where he could take the lead

496
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 3: and get publicity. That's the words of the prosecutor.

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Speaker 5: And he did. Hughes went on to become a private

498
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 5: detective in Wyoming. He later resigned following an internal investigation

499
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 5: into his conduct. Up until twenty seventeen, crucial evidence in

500
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 5: this case was presumed to be lost. This included Patty's pajamas,

501
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 5: and once this evidence was uncovered, Patty's team petitioned the

502
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 5: courts to test her pajamas for DNA along with other evidence.

503
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 5: Remember DNA testing was not available in nineteen eighty four,

504
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,239
Speaker 5: the year of the crime, a hearing was granted by

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Speaker 5: Judge Robert L. Kaufman.

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Speaker 3: And it was an extraordinary moment because as we're making

507
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Speaker 3: this argument, the judge, who was a different judge than

508
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 3: the trial judge, didn't work on Patty's case, but was

509
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 3: still in the courtroom at the time of the trial.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 3: I remember this case because I remember she testified that

512
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 3: her sexual engine burns hotter than others. I remember that

513
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 3: that's what makes this case unique, and that was just

514
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 3: an astounding moment for a number of reasons.

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Speaker 5: It goes to show the impact that misogyny had on

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00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 5: Patty's case even decades later. Judge Kaufman quickly denied the request,

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Speaker 5: writing quote, you cannot believe her story, and DNA findings

518
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 5: of any kind do not change that fact. In other words,

519
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 5: Kaufman believed that because of Patty's alleged promiscuity, the presence

520
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 5: of DNA on Patty's pajamas would not necessarily confirm that

521
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 5: she was raped or that she wasn't the murderer. He

522
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 5: also notes, quote, it should be kept in mind there

523
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 5: were numerous showings that Miss Pruett was not a truth teller.

524
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 5: Patty's legal team says there were other people in the

525
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 5: community who could have had motive, means, an opportunity, and

526
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 5: may have wanted Bill out of the picture.

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00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 3: Bill and Patty were active in their community, and what

528
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 3: we've heard from folks who lived in Holden at the

529
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 3: time was there was concerns about drugs, and Patty and Bill,

530
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 3: as parents of kids, were concerned about their kids and

531
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 3: started to look into what was going on in their

532
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 3: community with the drug trade.

533
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Speaker 5: Police did not thoroughly investigate this or other leads, including

534
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 5: the unknown car that Patty's neighbor had seen on the street.

535
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 5: DNA testing might have helped Patty's case, but by now

536
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 5: Patty has exhausted her appeals. Her only hope is clemency.

537
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 5: Patty has applied for clemency multiple times. Her petition from

538
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 5: December of twenty ten is still waiting a response for

539
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 5: Missouri Governor Mike Parson. It is one of more than

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00:34:51,600 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 5: three thousand clemency petitions he has yet to review. While

541
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 5: she waits, Patty and her family have had thirty six

542
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 5: years to process their losses, including the death of Patty's son,

543
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 5: Matt in nineteen ninety two when he was just eighteen.

544
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 5: His death was ruled a suicide, and at the same

545
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 5: time Patty lost her kids when she was sent to prison.

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00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 5: They also lost their mother. You know, when you're sixteen,

547
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 5: you're going through the most formative time of your life.

548
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 5: You know, boyfriends or girlfriends or whoever in periods and

549
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 5: those kinds of things. I mean, who did you go.

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00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 6: To for that?

551
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 7: Mostly Mom's sister, my aunt Mary, who has since passed.

552
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 7: She was great about all those kind of things, which

553
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 7: was which was great but she was also you know,

554
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 7: young mom was only thirty six when she left for prison,

555
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 7: and Mary would have been thirty three, and she was

556
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 7: a single mom with two little boys, so she had

557
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 7: a lot on her place also, right right, absolutely, so

558
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 7: you kind of you know, even if you have people

559
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 7: in your life, you still kind of feel like you're

560
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 7: a burden when it's not your parents taking care of you.

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00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 5: And since Patty was unable to be a parent to

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00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 5: her own kids, she became a proxy mom for young

563
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 5: women in prison.

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Speaker 4: Well, what person matter is I'm a mama at my core,

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00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 4: and when I came to prison, I was thirty foot

566
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 4: and most kids in prison are much younger. So I

567
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 4: came in as an adult. And if you can to

568
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 4: help people, what's the used to being alive?

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Speaker 3: You know, she has every right to be angry at

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00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 3: the world. You know, she's lost so much. She obviously

571
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 3: lost her husband, she effectively lost her children. Just in

572
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 3: the last twelve years, I've seen her lose her father,

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00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 3: her mother, her sister, and her brother, and obviously she

574
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 3: lost her son years earlier. She hasn't been able to

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00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 3: go to any of those funerals, and just the pain

576
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 3: that she's been through and as I said, she has

577
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 3: every right to be angry at the world. And what

578
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 3: is she doing. She's mothering and mentoring generations of women

579
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 3: behind bars and women who are doing well now and

580
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 3: they credit Patty, and it's really it's awe inspiring and

581
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 3: it's extraordinary.

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00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 5: Many of the women Patty has met in prison credit

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00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 5: her with their rehabilitation and ability to pursue their dreams.

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00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 5: In a video created by Patty's legal team, these women

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00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 5: urge Governor Parson to grant Patty clemency.

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Speaker 8: Patty never stopped believing in me. She always encouraged me

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00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 8: to write, to improve myself, to exercise, to just simply

588
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 8: do the next right thing and believe in myself. She

589
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 8: changed my entire life and I was a repeat offender,

590
00:37:59,000 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 8: not looking to be anything.

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00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 5: But if she could do that for me, imagine what

592
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 5: she can do for the world.

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00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 4: So the only way these kids are ever going to

594
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 4: be somebody and get out of this endless loop of

595
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:23,439
Speaker 4: incarcration is to believe in themselves and realize that they're

596
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:28,479
Speaker 4: good people, as they deserve a good life. And if

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00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 4: that's why I'm in this damn place, then I will

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00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 4: try to stay as many of these kids as I did.

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00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 5: Who's your cheerleader, Patty? When you're helping everybody and be

600
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 5: in the mama, who's there for you?

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00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 4: Listen, I'm a big girl. I'm gonna don't so helping

602
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,919
Speaker 4: them is what helped me if I didn't have these

603
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 4: kids around me. Good lord, I'm an old lady. I

604
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 4: know all the new songs, I know the new dances.

605
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 4: I mean, the kid's keep me young.

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00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 5: Despite her circumstances, Patty has made the best of it.

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00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 4: I'm a student in Washington University out of Saint Louis.

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00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 4: That is still is amazing to me that this opportunity

609
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 4: has come to me.

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00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 5: Patty says she's committed to one day getting her bachelor's degree,

611
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 5: and if she gets out of prison, she also has

612
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 5: a lot more planned.

613
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 4: And I've got all these kids and grandkids, and I've

614
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 4: got a book I'm writing. I know they've wrought some

615
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 4: books out there by prisons, but I would like to.

616
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 4: But especially women, know what Christmas like. People keep adding

617
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 4: money to a conference to build prisons. It's not doing

618
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 4: any good. It's just the opposite. And I would love

619
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Speaker 4: to lobby. They would hate me with the capital because

620
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 4: I would be like to tend So, Yeah, I'm going

621
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 4: to cause some problem. That's what. That's Michael.

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Speaker 6: There's nothing better than an old lady wreaking havoc.

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Speaker 5: If you have any information about this case or want

624
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 5: to help Patty, go to Pattiprouit dot com. On our

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00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 5: next episode, how does a guy with nineteen alibi witnesses

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Speaker 5: get convicted for murder?

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Speaker 6: It didn't matter what I had to say, what type

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00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 6: of evidence of the alibis that I had to present,

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Speaker 6: It just didn't matter.

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Speaker 4: Only one it was to get in an arrest.

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Speaker 5: Next time on Wrongful Conviction with Maggie Freeling, Melvin Ortiz,

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