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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the whitetail woods, presented by First Light, creating proven versatile

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, I'm joined by Kip Adams of the National

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Speaker 2: Dear Association for another episode of our what would You

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Speaker 2: Do series, in which we are running him through some

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Speaker 2: of the toughest hunting circumstances and situations I could throw

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Speaker 2: at him. Really all right, welcome back to the Wired

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Speaker 2: to Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Light and

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Speaker 2: their Camel for Conservation initiative. And today we're wrapping up

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Speaker 2: are what would you Do series. If you've been listening,

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Speaker 2: you know the gist, you know the format, But if

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Speaker 2: you're new, what this entails is a guest comes on

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Speaker 2: the episode and I run them through a series of

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Speaker 2: different specific hypothetical hunting scenarios. I might propose, Hey, it's

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Speaker 2: this date and you're in this place and this happens,

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Speaker 2: what would you do? And then that's what we do,

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Speaker 2: through many different topics, many different regions, different ideas, different challenges,

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Speaker 2: different curve balls, to see how these people process these

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Speaker 2: types of scenarios in the field, how they think them through,

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Speaker 2: how they take action, how they get from point A

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Speaker 2: to point B. And today's guest is Kip Adams from

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Speaker 2: the National Deer Association. And this is a really interesting

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Speaker 2: one to wrap up on because he's got a perspective

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Speaker 2: that is unique compared to everybody else that we've talked

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Speaker 2: almost all of the other what would you do episodes

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Speaker 2: six years. He's a Kip is not just a great

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Speaker 2: deer hunter, he is also a incredibly experienced, well read,

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Speaker 2: and diversely experienced wildlife biologist and land manager. He works

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Speaker 2: as the Director of Conservation or geez I think actually

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Speaker 2: chief conservation Officer now for the National Deer Association. He's

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Speaker 2: worked on probably hundreds of different properties across the nation,

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Speaker 2: working with people on their hunting plans, their land management strategies,

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Speaker 2: habitat improvement projects, and much larger deer and conservation related issues.

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Speaker 2: But then he also has been able to take all

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Speaker 2: that insight, all that information and then applied it to

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Speaker 2: his own hunting world and life, where he owns and

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Speaker 2: manages a property in Pennsylvania that he's been hunting and

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Speaker 2: working on for I think decades now and killing mature

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Speaker 2: and friends the hunter too, and also managing for healthy

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Speaker 2: run k through a few management related questions, but a

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Speaker 2: scientific perspective that I think colors things in a unique

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Speaker 2: and really helpful way. So that's the plan for today's episode.

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Speaker 2: It's a great one. I think it's perfect for those

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Speaker 2: of us who are kicking off our hunting seasons soon.

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Speaker 2: Kip's going to give us all something to think about

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Speaker 2: as opening Day and the coming weeks unfold in what

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Speaker 2: should be a very very exciting few months here to come.

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Speaker 2: So that is our game plan. My couple, I guess

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Speaker 2: and much of what's gone there gone on there with wildlife.

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Speaker 2: So man, there's so much to tune into right now.

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Speaker 2: We're pumping it out at a record pace, and I

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Speaker 2: we have. Of course on YouTube, we've got just an

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Speaker 2: see here. It's twoth It's August twenty fifth when I'm

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Speaker 2: recording this. By the time you listen to the next podcast,

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Speaker 2: I will be on my first hunt the year, which

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Speaker 2: is very exciting. Maybe you will be too, So if

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Speaker 2: you are best of luck out there, and without any

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Speaker 2: Adams of the National Deer Association, which I should have

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Speaker 2: mentioned at the top is truly the premiere conservation organization

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Speaker 2: or whitetail deer across the nation. If you are not

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Speaker 2: aware of what the Deer Association is doing, please go

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Speaker 2: to Deer Association dot com. After you listen to my

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Speaker 2: Kip Adams. Welcome back, Kip, Hey, thanks Mark, good to

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Speaker 3: Twenty three years last week? Yes, it has gone fast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's incredible. You've you've been kind of an icon

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Speaker 2: So you know the basic gist of this format. I've

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Speaker 3: I see that on average, you harvest you know, two

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Speaker 3: Look at our DAR report, scholar, the state agency website,

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Speaker 2: Strong, strong suggestion. Here's another one we're going to put

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Speaker 2: it out this Virginia scenario a little bit further. Let's

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Speaker 3: What now, Well, one thing that I would definitely take

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Speaker 3: Very simple to look and see, like, hey, ooh, the

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Speaker 3: then broadcast winter wheat or winter rye or or brask

432
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 3: or something else that I could still get decent growth

433
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 3: out of that. Would you know, I could hunt through

434
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 3: the fallen into the winter. I would pick something that

435
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 3: is an annual plant, something that is going to grow

436
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 3: very very fast, put on as much tonnage as possible.

437
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 3: I'd have planted as late as Labor day in northern

438
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 3: Pennsylvania before you know, you don't get a lot of

439
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 3: growth out, but you get some. Virginia would be a

440
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 3: place that early September. If this thing is really really bad, yes,

441
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 3: you still have time for you know, one more planning

442
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 3: fingers crossed. You know, rain is coming, or maybe rain

443
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 3: is about right there, so you get farther north than that,

444
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 3: you still you still could do it. You could throw it,

445
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 3: you know, as you said, a hail Mary, even in

446
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 3: Pennsylvania around September seventh, just recognizing you're not going to

447
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 3: get a lot.

448
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 2: Now.

449
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 3: If I'm looking at that plot and what I had

450
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 3: planned has germinated, it's just competing with some weeds and

451
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 3: you know needs rain, then I'm not going to replant it.

452
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 3: I may spread that to remove that competition from the weeds,

453
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 3: to give the things I have there every chance, you know,

454
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 3: to out compete it. You know, as soon as we

455
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 3: get some good rain. But all is not lost early

456
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 3: September at that latitude, there's still a chance to end

457
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 3: up with something decent.

458
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 2: To Okay, that's good news, good news. Here's another hypothetical.

459
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: Let's say you own a one hundred acre farm and

460
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 2: you have been hunting this farm for a number of years,

461
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 2: but you've done it kind of by feel. I guess

462
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 2: you've been that person who's always been targeting a buck.

463
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 2: You should a doe here and there, but maybe you've

464
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 2: not been serious about it. That said You've been listening

465
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 2: to this podcast for years now, and you heard mister

466
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 2: Kip Adams come on the show last winter and say, hey,

467
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 2: you really got to take the dough harvest thing more seriously.

468
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 2: You heard it a year before when Nick Pinzoto came

469
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: on and said the same thing. You've heard it from

470
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 2: your state DNR. You've read about it in the magazine articles.

471
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 2: You're realizing, Oh, wow, maybe I need to take this

472
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 2: whole ant lilas harvest thing a little bit more seriously.

473
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: You've noticed there's tons of deer on my farm, you know,

474
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 2: every year, especially in the late season. I'm just seeing

475
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 2: a pile of deer out there, more and more deer

476
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 2: every year. I probably do need to do something about it.

477
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 2: So this year you've made it a goal that you

478
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 2: are going to take more does. You're going to kill

479
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 2: more does this year. But you also have two really

480
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 2: great target bucks on your farm this year that you're

481
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 2: very excited about that they've just reached that let's say

482
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: five year old mark that you've been hoping they would

483
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 2: get to, and you're just thrilled about that. You're sitting

484
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 2: here the night before opening day thinking to yourself, well,

485
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 2: I really want to kill does this year. I really

486
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 2: want to kill these bucks and I don't want to

487
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: spook these bucks while doing that. What do you do

488
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 2: to be able to achieve both of those goals somehow?

489
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: Moving to this season?

490
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 3: Would I would shoot I would shoot Dose as early

491
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 3: as possible if given the chance. I'm not going to

492
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 3: pass a chance on one of those bucks to do that,

493
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 3: but I would shoot Dose early in the season, and

494
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 3: I would try to If I'm going to shoot multiple doughs,

495
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 3: I would try to do that from different stands, so

496
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 3: I'm not shooting them all from the same spot, and

497
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 3: I wouldn't necessarily shoot them from my best stand that

498
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 3: I thought I had chances to kill that bucket. And

499
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 3: the reason I say those is oftentimes, with the exception

500
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 3: of early early season like first or second day, which

501
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 3: can be very good times to kill mature bucks, you know,

502
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 3: they're still pretty particular. If you can hunt in September Pennsylvania,

503
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 3: we are essentially the beginning of October. We've kind of

504
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 3: missed that nice window in that September window to kill

505
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 3: those mature bucks. So often the best time to kill

506
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 3: him is once we get into late October or early November.

507
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 3: I love it. Our Pennsylvania farm, if we have most

508
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 3: of our dough harvest done in early to mid October,

509
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 3: we never get there, but we try because what that

510
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 3: allows us to do is spread doors harvest around throughout property.

511
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 3: Have it early such that when our rut comes, you know,

512
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 3: I tell you guys, like, have your dough harvest done

513
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 3: so all you have to do is focus on bucks

514
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 3: for the rest of the year. It's such a good

515
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 3: feeling to know, like I am solely focused here. I

516
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 3: don't have to worry about, you know, trying to be

517
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 3: a good steward and shoot my does later. I've already got,

518
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 3: you know, those doughs in the freezer, which that means

519
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 3: now I don't need well, Pennsylvania is at one buck state.

520
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 3: But some hunters get so nervous, like oh I just

521
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 3: got to get a dear in the freezer, so they

522
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 3: shoot a younger buck. Don't do that, shoot a dough sorry. Anyway,

523
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 3: I would shoot was early, I wouldn't necessarily kill it.

524
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 3: From my stand to, I think I have the best

525
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 3: chance at killing a mature bucket, and I would try

526
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 3: to spread the dough harvest out, you know, across the

527
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 3: property a little bit. If you have one hundred acres,

528
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 3: you definitely have an opportunity to be able to do that.

529
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 2: Yep, Okay, that makes sense to me. That's uh, it's

530
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: it's something that I personally have have struggled with myself

531
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 2: doing the early doll harvest. But I know I need to.

532
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 2: I need to get get working sooner because the late,

533
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 2: the late stress trying to kill a dough or kill

534
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 2: a bunch of doughs late is always trying in December

535
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: when somehow you can see doughs all the time and

536
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: have a thousand shot opportunities when you're trying to kill

537
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 2: a buck, But then as soon as you're trying to

538
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 2: kill a dough, they somehow become incredibly elusive.

539
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 3: So I agree, And you know what I want to

540
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 3: tell hunters is to make themselves feel feel good about it,

541
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 3: or to know because some people just aren't entirely sure. Yes,

542
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 3: Mark said, I should kill a dough or camp or

543
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 3: who everybody? You know what, there's a very simple way,

544
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 3: actually two simple ways of one. We talked about the

545
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 3: exclusion cages. Look look at that. You can tell that

546
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 3: food outside of those should absolutely be as high as

547
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 3: it is inside. If it's not you need to shoot

548
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 3: more does. That's very simple. Everybody can look at that. Also,

549
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 3: if when you shoot a dough because deer lay fat

550
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 3: on external to meat, when you skin that deer, there

551
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 3: are to be a big thick layer of fat own

552
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: the animal's body that you see. If that thick layer

553
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 3: of fat is not there, there's not enough food for

554
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 3: the deer neighborhood. You need to shoot more does or

555
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 3: even if you feel dressing that the kidneys should be

556
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 3: totally encased in fat. If you have a hard time

557
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: finding the kidneys because it just looks like fat lobs,

558
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 3: that is awesome. If you can see the kidneys, you

559
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 3: know very easily there's not enough food for the deer

560
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 3: in a neighborhood. So those are really simple ways to

561
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 3: let yourself feel good about. Okay, you know those deer,

562
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 3: they will make use of that. Oh, you know that

563
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 3: food if it's available, which makes their heavier, which is great,

564
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 3: which means bucks have bigger antlers, which is great. All

565
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: the things we want. So you don't have to be

566
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 3: a you know, a scientist or certainly not a rocket

567
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 3: scientist to determine is there enough food here or not?

568
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,959
Speaker 3: So you know, look at the exclusion cage, look at

569
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: the fat on deer. It's very simple. Anybody can determine that.

570
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: And if you're not seeing that, shoot another dough.

571
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 2: Get to work. Okay, it's the night before opening day.

572
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: We'll say you're you're at home in Pennsylvania. H right,

573
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: opening day coming up, and you've got a big old

574
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 2: buck that you are there's one day you're very, very

575
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: excited to hunt this year, and as you mentioned that

576
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: first day or two. Okay, let me change this a

577
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: little bit. I'm going to take you to a stay

578
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: with a September opener. Okay, so so hit pause here.

579
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 2: We're going to Maryland, Maryland. All right, We're going to

580
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: Maryland with a September opener, and there's a big old

581
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 2: buck that you would like to hunt on this particular

582
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: property that you can have access to. Leading up to

583
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 2: opening day, you have had daylight photos of this buck.

584
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: This buck's been out and about. You know what it's

585
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 2: bead to feed pattern is. You've got it pretty dial.

586
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: You think like, all right, opening day should be great.

587
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: But the day arrives and you have two very warm

588
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: days to open the season, so above average temperatures for

589
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 2: the first two days of the season. Does that impact

590
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 2: how you approach those first two days of the first

591
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 2: handful of days, and if so, how it does it?

592
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,479
Speaker 3: It does not affect it very much. It does a

593
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: little bit mentally for me because I grew up in

594
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 3: northern Pennsylvania, deer season is supposed to be cold, So

595
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 3: when it's hot, we just feel like, yeah, it's you know,

596
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 3: it's hot for us. You know, deer aren't moving either.

597
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 3: There are literally millions of data points with radio color

598
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 3: deer that show that temperature a little bit above average

599
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 3: is not impacting them at all. They are still moving

600
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 3: just like they would if it was colder. The biggest

601
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 3: difference in the temperature stuff is what we feel, you know,

602
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 3: as as hunters. Perfect example, when I was in graduate

603
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 3: school at the University of New Hampshire, their bot season

604
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 3: always started September fifteenth. I vividly remember September fifteenth, sitting

605
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 3: in a tree stand in central New Hampshire ninety some degrees,

606
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 3: sweating profusely and you know, bugs all over me, not

607
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 3: having any fun at all, to thinking it's opening day

608
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 3: like I am going, and then they're thinking there's no

609
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 3: way deer moving. So I wasn't as intent on the

610
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 3: stand as I should have been. My mind wasn't in

611
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 3: it the way it should have been because it didn't

612
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 3: feel cold to me. I don't kill a deer, you know,

613
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 3: I blame it on the heat. Well, you know, then

614
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 3: you fast forward even look like those deer were moving.

615
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 3: They might have moved slightly later in the day, but

616
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: they are still They're not waiting until after dark. You know,

617
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 3: they are getting up all day long, you know, multiple

618
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 3: times a day, to urinate, to defecate, to get a snacked.

619
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 3: They're up and move it. So the warm part of

620
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 3: that market will play on my psyche because I like

621
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 3: it to the hot when it's colder, but it's not

622
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 3: impacting deer. And this actually I've learned this when I

623
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 3: worked for the State of Florida. You know, it never

624
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 3: got cold there, Like the whole deer season was warm.

625
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 3: So you know, deer are still moving. They have to

626
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 3: get up and move. So I do believe that there

627
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 3: are there are there are certain days, and you know

628
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 3: this and serious hunters us, there are certain days. It

629
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 3: just feels different in the woods. It's electricity in the air,

630
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 3: whether in the GPS. Studies suggest that it's not just temperature,

631
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 3: it's not just barometric pressure. But I think there's some

632
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 3: combination of things that we just haven't been able to

633
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 3: adequately measure yet, because there are certain days that just

634
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: feel different, but overall they do will show man. Even

635
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 3: when it's warmer, deer are still move. So I tell people, like,

636
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 3: don't stay home just because it's warm. I you know,

637
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 3: I have to sometimes remind myself of that. I personally

638
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 3: don't enjoy it as much because I grew up hunting

639
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 3: when it was cold. But I at least now I

640
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 3: will not stay home because it's warm, because I know

641
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 3: those deer are going to move. I just have to

642
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 3: make sure that I am mentally strong enough to keep

643
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: myself focused even though there's not a little chill in there.

644
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: So let me let me let me add a little

645
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: bit more detail here, because your perspective on this is

646
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 2: really interesting to me, because, as you know, everybody has

647
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: very strong feelings about temperature impacts on deer, but the

648
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: science continues to come back showing negligible correlation. But I

649
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 2: know you as a hunter, as you just alluded to, like,

650
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: there is something that you and I know and Matt

651
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 2: and other people who are very dialed on the science

652
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 2: still are like, well, there are certain days, so so

653
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: imagine this. Imagine you have three days to hunt. You

654
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: have the first three days of the season to hunt there, right,

655
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 2: and as I just described, your first two days are hot.

656
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: Third day temperatures drop twenty degrees Okay, and you have

657
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: You've got two places you could hunt. One of them

658
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 2: is like the absolute best place to kill this deer.

659
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 2: You think it's like close to it's right in between

660
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 2: his bedding and feeding areas, and there's a super hot

661
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 2: food source. It's like that quintessential early season it's spot

662
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 2: to kill a boobut, but it's high impact, so you know,

663
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: like if you go in there and hunt it and

664
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 2: it doesn't work out, it's gonna be really hard to

665
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 2: get out of there without him knowing it. The second

666
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 2: place you could hunt is like maybe it could work,

667
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 2: Like there's a chance maybe he happens to come out

668
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: this way. But it's like a very safe place to hunt.

669
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: So you could hunt this and it's very easy to

670
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 2: get out after the evening hunt. He's not gonna smell you,

671
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 2: he's not gonna see or hear you. It's safe, but

672
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: just lower odds of reward. So those are your two

673
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 2: possible locations you could hunt. You have three days to

674
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 2: do it. Two days are hot, one day is much colder.

675
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: How do you split your decision? How do you split

676
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: your pressure? Given that I am going to I am

677
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 2: going to hot, Well, let me let me storry. Let

678
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: me throw on one more thing just for the audience.

679
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 2: I want you to or I want the audience to

680
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: remember something you mentioned a few minutes ago, which is

681
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 2: that that first day or that first two two days

682
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: can oftentimes be your very best chance to kill a

683
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 2: deer before they change their behavior. So that mine sorry,

684
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 2: go ahead, kid, So.

685
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 3: With that, I am going regardless of the temperature. So

686
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,959
Speaker 3: the temperature is not going to be a factor here.

687
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 3: If the wind is right, I say, it's the same

688
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 3: road I am hunting, the stand that is safer to

689
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 3: get in and out. And the reason that I say

690
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 3: that is the worst thing that we can do as

691
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 3: hunters is spook deer from where we're trying to hunt them.

692
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 3: And as soon as we spook them from there, they

693
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 3: remember that other deer, you know, they share information that

694
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 3: stand is never as good again. And I have we

695
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 3: have seen this on our Pennsylvania farm. We have stands

696
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 3: here that are put in very good places, partly because

697
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 3: we have awesome entry and exit routes where we don't

698
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: spook deer going there or coming from there. So what

699
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 3: that means is I will pick that spot to say

700
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 3: spout to get in and out because deer travel so much,

701
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 3: and deer select many different areas to bed and so

702
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 3: you can do everything right. The wind is perfect, I'm

703
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 3: in my stand. You can do everything right. But if

704
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 3: that deer doesn't happen to be in that area, you

705
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 3: don't have a chance to see it. However, if you're

706
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 3: at that high risk spot, there might be a dough

707
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 3: to five or other small box or whatever that are,

708
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 3: and if you spook them from that stand, you really

709
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 3: reduced your chances to kill that buck you're trying to

710
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 3: from that. What we have done in our place over

711
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 3: the last several years, and it has really worked out well,

712
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 3: is pick stands that are in good spots that we

713
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 3: aren't spooking dear from, or at least spooking very very

714
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 3: few dear from. Because that way mark rather than making

715
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 3: those stands good once or twice a year, we can

716
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,479
Speaker 3: go back to them literally five to ten times a year.

717
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 3: And what that does is we only hunt when the

718
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 3: conditions are right. But if I can hunt a stand,

719
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 3: say eight times, the odds are much greater in my favor.

720
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 3: With that buck that I'm trying to kill is in

721
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 3: that area that night, not two hundred yards away on

722
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 3: the neighbors or a quarter mile away here. So part

723
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 3: of it is the odds. You know, you can have

724
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 3: the best stand in the world, but you're not guaranteed

725
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 3: that that deer is going to be right there. But

726
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 3: if you can go back to that again and again

727
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 3: and again every time you can, you have increased the

728
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 3: odds that now through his travel, he is not only

729
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 3: on the property of access to hunt, but on that

730
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 3: portion of the property. We have permanent stands on our

731
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 3: farm that we have killed multi that have been there

732
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 3: literally a decade, and we have killed multiple four plus

733
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 3: year old bucks out of four to eight year old bucks.

734
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 3: Same stand not moved all tower blind there that we

735
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 3: can get in year after year after year because we

736
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: spook so few deer get it in or out. We

737
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 3: also have stands used to have stands like the first

738
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 3: place at the high risk in the past. That man

739
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 3: it is literally in the best spot, and we have

740
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 3: killed some deer out of them, but we have spooked

741
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 3: way more deer, not the ones who are trying to kill,

742
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 3: then the ones that we have killed out. And as

743
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 3: soon as you do that, then quality of that stand

744
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 3: really drops. So back to your question, I will pick

745
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 3: the spot. I don't care about the temperature. I'm going

746
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 3: to prefer it to be colder. But I am going

747
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 3: to take the stand that I can get in and

748
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 3: out without spooking things, because on a three day hunt,

749
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 3: I might be able to hunt that three times, you know,

750
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 3: in just up my odds each time of being able

751
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: to have the deer that I'm looking for not only

752
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 3: in the neighborhood, but right there where I have a

753
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 3: chance to be able to shoot him from that stand.

754
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 3: So I'm a huge fan mark of the entry in

755
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 3: the exit, and I will even give up views of

756
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 3: food plots or oak plots or whatever. I used to

757
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 3: like to be right on the edge where I could

758
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 3: see it all and be able to shoot. I have

759
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: changed my mindset tremendous event I am back off those now,

760
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 3: even though I do the majority of bow hunting, I

761
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 3: am back off those will give up shots in certain

762
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 3: places of views to be able to get there and

763
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 3: out without being without spooking deer without seeing them. So anyway,

764
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 3: that has worked out so much better for us over

765
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 3: the past five to ten years that I would never

766
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 3: go back to the other one with the exception of

767
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 3: it's the last day of season and I know I

768
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 3: won't be back in the higher risk stand. It's just

769
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 3: way better in a much better spot. If I know

770
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 3: that I will not be able to hunt this deer

771
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 3: again for a long time, that is the only time

772
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 3: I would do that. And on our farm, that is

773
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 3: the only time that I will sit a stand if

774
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 3: the wind is questionable at all all year, we are disciplined.

775
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 3: We won't do it last night a season is the

776
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 3: only time I would sit if I think the chances

777
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 3: are in my favor that a certain years comment if

778
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 3: the wind isn't exactly right, Okay, I should say, if

779
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 3: the wind isn't acceptable to.

780
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 2: Be there, Yeah, all right. I've got one more scenario

781
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 2: that's that's kind of related to this, this this earlier

782
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 2: discussion around whether or you know movement related factors. Maybe

783
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: not my last question, but my last for this moment.

784
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: Another one of these hunter isms that everyone likes to

785
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 2: point to would be the October lull, right everybody, Not everybody,

786
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: but many folks have talked about the impact of mid October.

787
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: So let's say it's October sixteenth, and you're hunting your

788
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 2: home farm in Pennsylvania and you have a target buck

789
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 2: that you've been following around. There's there's the one big

790
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: seven year old on your guys's place that you've been

791
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 2: watching for years, and this is the year you think

792
00:41:55,239 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 2: you can take them. And mid October major coal and

793
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: pushing through. Your buck is still that large. He has

794
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 2: been showing up on camera after dark the entire season.

795
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: You've had no daylight settings while hunting, yet you've had

796
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 2: no daylight photos of him yet during the season. There

797
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: is a thirty degree temperature drop coming up on October sixteenth.

798
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: What does this do if in any way change your

799
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 2: hunting strategy for him? If on October sixteenth, big cold

800
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 2: front pushes through, but he's been dark to this point, I.

801
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 3: Was seeing the cold front is going to make me

802
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 3: very happy because, as I said, I like it to

803
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 3: be cold to hunt. The data with regard to do

804
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 3: your move into cold fronts, as we said, doesn't hold up.

805
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 3: I mean, the GPS data will show when that cold

806
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 3: front comes through that had no impact on his movements

807
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 3: leading up to it or his movements after. However, when

808
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 3: you get that big of a change, I personally feel

809
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 3: there is some in there. Whether it's thirty degrees colder

810
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 3: or thirty degrees warmer, big wide swings tend to for

811
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 3: whatever reason, uh, you know, get deer moving a little bit.

812
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna love the cold front because mentally I

813
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 3: like to hunt cold. If it's not getting cold, I'm

814
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 3: still going to be there. And I will say this,

815
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 3: there's so much data now with that October lull all

816
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 3: over the White Tails range north, south, east, and west

817
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 3: that show across October or if you're in the southeast,

818
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 3: you know, we think of October to north as you know,

819
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 3: it's that pre rut leading up to the rough that

820
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 3: same time period like in Louisiana, which tends to be

821
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 3: December or January or other say, every single GPS cost

822
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: star shows deer move more all the way through that

823
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 3: October supposed you know lull thing, but you know what March,

824
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 3: so I know they are moving more every single day

825
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 3: through there. I also know as a hunter there are

826
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 3: times I really struggle to find there in October, and

827
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 3: I all so would swear they can't be moving, you know,

828
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,479
Speaker 3: like I just can't. So I know what the data

829
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 3: says that keeps me going as a hunter to know that, hey,

830
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 3: I know they're moving, I just have to do a

831
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 3: better job figuring out here. And even on our home farm, man,

832
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 3: there's times in October that we struggle to find deer.

833
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 3: You know, our cameras show us now they're still moving

834
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 3: in that so I know that they are. But I

835
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 3: hear like I sympathize with hunters who can struggle, particularly

836
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 3: in mid October when deer are hard to find. My

837
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 3: professional opinion is what's happened is you know by now

838
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 3: do you know they're being hunted? And they do such

839
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,439
Speaker 3: a good job reacting to human presence, whether you see

840
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 3: them or not, just knowing that you were there. But that,

841
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 3: more than anything else, is what's going on. They're just

842
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 3: reacting to now more there are more hunters in the woods,

843
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 3: there's more ATVs in the woods, there's people around, so

844
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 3: you know they're just on high alert. So my part

845
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 3: of that is, Man, that buck I've seen that lets

846
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,240
Speaker 3: me know it Okay, you're like, I'm still in the game.

847
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 3: This is good. I'm still going to try. He's got

848
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 3: I know that we're not to the rut yet, so

849
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 3: you know, he still is going to want to be

850
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 3: eating as much as possible. I would still think my

851
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 3: best chance to kill him is as he is headed

852
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: to a food source. I used to hunt food sources

853
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 3: a lot more than I do today, and the reason

854
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 3: for that is I used to set up almost exclusively

855
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 3: on food, whether that be a food plot or in

856
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 3: an oak flat where there's a bunch of acorns or

857
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 3: near an apple orchs or whatever it was. And I

858
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 3: still do that occasionally today, but I am much more

859
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 3: so likely to be positioned between where I think or

860
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 3: know they're bedding and where they're going and get them

861
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 3: in between the two. And I'm not being cliche with us.

862
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 3: The reason I say this is one there I am

863
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 3: more likely to see them during shooting hours. You know,

864
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 3: they often are going to be at that food plot,

865
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 3: but oftentimes it's not till after dark. That's a big thing.

866
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 3: But what I found marked to be even more sucessful

867
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 3: for me is as they as I try to intercept

868
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 3: them on the way wherever I am in between those

869
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 3: two areas, there's almost never a deer near me at dark.

870
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 3: You know they are over at the food plot or

871
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 3: they are over else. So what that allows me to

872
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 3: do is get out of my stand without spooking anybody

873
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 3: and get out of the woods, which means then I

874
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 3: can come back and be able to hunt that spot.

875
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 3: And I'm convinced this is why we are able to

876
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 3: hunt those stands that I mentioned effectively year after year,

877
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 3: because there are areas where, in many cases you know

878
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,919
Speaker 3: deer move through, you know, lots of shooting light, which

879
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 3: is great. They give you a good look and they're gone,

880
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 3: so you can get out of a stand at night

881
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 3: and never spook anything. I think that, more than anything else,

882
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 3: is what has really changed the game for us, particularly

883
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 3: with regard to to killing mature bucks. And we've been

884
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 3: very lucky and shot a bunch of them on our

885
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 3: farm over the last decade, and that, as much as anything,

886
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 3: is what has made that happen. We often don't see

887
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 3: as many deer because we don't see that huge group

888
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 3: flood the field or whatever at dark, but we are

889
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 3: more effective at killing the ones are trying to kill

890
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 3: because we are better at I guess being a little

891
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:13,479
Speaker 3: stealthy in and out.

892
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like you said earlier, there's a lot a

893
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: lot in regards to discipline here with some of these decisions.

894
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: So here's here's one that I'm curious on your take on.

895
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 2: Let's imagine you're out hunting on October twenty fourth, and

896
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: let's say you're still at least you can tell me

897
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: if this is wrong. But on October twenty fourth, I'm

898
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 2: still considering food sources and bedding and how they're moving

899
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 2: back and forth between the two. But when you're on

900
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: stand that evening, you see a dough getting chased by

901
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: a group of bucks, like four different come piling through,

902
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 2: just like chasing, like hardcore chasing. There's you know, a

903
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 2: year and a half old, a year and a half old,

904
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 2: a three year old, and then a mature buck is

905
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 2: in the tail. There's four different bucks, all hot on

906
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 2: the still they go just busting past you. It's October

907
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 2: twenty fourth. You had been planning to continue to hunt

908
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: kind of a bed to food type pattern for the

909
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 2: rest of your weekend hunt. Now you see that. Does

910
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 2: that change anything for your next couple hunts?

911
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 3: But it probably not. And the reason I say that

912
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 3: is if we're in Virginia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, or somewhere in

913
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 3: the north where you know the rut is gonna peak

914
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 3: in early to mid November, I often think of Halloween

915
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 3: is flipping the switch from you know, the rut standpoint,

916
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 3: so still late October like that, Probably what has happened

917
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 3: is that dough is in heat. And if you look

918
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 3: at the rut maps, you know it's a very steep

919
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 3: bell curve where most deer are bred of a short time.

920
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 3: But there's still a lot of deer. You know, they

921
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 3: get bread in October, even some back into September. So

922
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 3: it's probably a dough that just came in heat early

923
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 3: obviously has attracted the attention of those bucks. And as

924
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 3: you're starting that, in my mind, I'm thinking, okay, late

925
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 3: on Earth October twenty fourth, I see this. I'm thinking

926
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 3: some young bucks are just chasing her around, you know,

927
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 3: this kind of bird dogging her and harrassing her. So

928
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 3: you said, oh no, no, there's actually a three year

929
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 3: old and if I okay, they're not messing with her

930
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 3: because she's not in heat or almost in here. So

931
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 3: what I would do in that situation is I would

932
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 3: look at that as kind of an outlier, and I

933
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 3: absolutely would be calling to those bucks. I like to

934
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 3: call a bunch anyway. I'm very, very active in that.

935
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 3: I think it's a lot of fun. I grew up

936
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,720
Speaker 3: with a turkey call in my mouth, so I love

937
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 3: the calling anyway, and I call way more today while

938
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 3: I'm deer hunting than I have in the past. You know,

939
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 3: I'm not nearly as nervous about spooking deer. Deer are

940
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 3: communicating all the time, you know, verbally, so I am

941
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 3: absolutely trying to call all that deer into me to

942
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 3: you know, to make something hap her, put myself in play.

943
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 3: I'm not entirely changing my my strategy yet because it's

944
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 3: still about a week early for when most of that

945
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 3: is coming. But I would take advantage of that as

946
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 3: an outlier of hey, this is my good fortune. I

947
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 3: see this. And actually an example was last fall my

948
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 3: daughter and I were in North Dakota. She had a

949
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 3: deer tag. I did not, but we saw a buck

950
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 3: in there. We could see it long ways away. We

951
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 3: watched the buck chasing does five hundred plus yards away

952
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 3: in and out of this brush, and uh so I

953
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 3: started calling to him, and my daughter looked at me, like,

954
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 3: come on, dad. I tought her it was eighteen at

955
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 3: the time. She's hunting a lot like she She's like,

956
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 3: do you really think, I said, do you want to

957
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 3: just sit here and do nothing? Like the chances that

958
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,439
Speaker 3: we're gonna call him to us? Yeah, he's got four

959
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 3: or five dos there, but look, we're gonna I'm we're

960
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 3: gonna play the game. So we call he mess with them,

961
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 3: and they weren't and he they were probably close, but

962
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 3: mess a little bit, and all of a sudden, he's

963
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 3: four hundred yards away, still kind of there. I continued

964
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 3: to call, and I was calling in such that you know,

965
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 3: I actually was challenging him a little bit, just letting

966
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 3: him know, like a girl with a very sharp end

967
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 3: on it, like man, just let him know, Hey, I

968
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 3: see you, and uh. He would look at us and

969
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 3: kind of be through bush. About an hour later, he's

970
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 3: three hundred yards away, and h make a long story short,

971
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 3: another hour later, he's one hundred and twenty yards standing

972
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 3: in front of us, ticked off at whereas and my

973
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 3: daughter killed him right four year old buck.

974
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 2: Wow.

975
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 3: And so as we leave, she says, so like like Dad,

976
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 3: she said, like, I am super happy. That was awesome,

977
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 3: And I know that deer wasn't here by chance, like

978
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 3: I know it was because we and she was using

979
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 3: we I know it's because we called him in and

980
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 3: then she smiled. I know, but I said, you know,

981
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 3: you're absolutely right, you know, like if we if we

982
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 3: are timid and nothing, I mean, I guess it's possible

983
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 3: mark that deer comes with. But I'm gonna say from

984
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 3: a Honting end in your union experience, there is maybe

985
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 3: a one percent chance that deer ends up where he did.

986
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 3: He came a long way, and he came there because

987
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 3: of you know, the calling that we did, so example

988
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 3: you gave. I absolutely am calling to those deer, you know,

989
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 3: to try to put myself in a position. How are

990
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 3: they gonna come? You know, like who knows, maybe maybe not,

991
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 3: but you know, in the process of all that may lee.

992
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 3: You know that dough may end up coming back by

993
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 3: or whatever. So I'm gonna try anyway, But I am

994
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 3: not shifting my strategy based on you know, one outlier,

995
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 3: you know, a little bit early before the run.

996
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 2: In that scenario October twenty fourth, Buck's chasing a doll

997
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 2: what's the call that you would try to employ.

998
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,439
Speaker 3: I would be grunting at that bucket, particularly lead buck.

999
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 3: So if I thought I would be doing anywhere from

1000
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 3: a challenge grunt at him to let him know all

1001
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 3: the way up to a snort wize and so you know,

1002
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 3: I'm not being real timid with just little tending grunts,

1003
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 3: you know, or just social grunts or whatever. So I

1004
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 3: would have grown. And so often when I'm hunting now

1005
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 3: I'm I've grunt. Some people won't grunt when they're not

1006
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 3: seeing deer. I am grinning all the time. In the fall,

1007
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 3: I have called a lot of deer and I did

1008
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 3: not know here there you know that came out to

1009
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 3: check what was going on. So in those cases, you know,

1010
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 3: I'm often just going like, ah, well, if I see

1011
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 3: a buck that I want to call to, I will

1012
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 3: do that, but at the end, make it very sharp.

1013
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 3: That's more of the challenging like a man to let

1014
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 3: him know I'm talking to you. I'm not just genuinely

1015
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 3: communicating like I am talking to you, and I've done that.

1016
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 3: Whether I see a buck or no, I absolutely will

1017
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 3: do it. You know, if it's a buck that I

1018
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 3: want to get closer to me, so that and up

1019
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 3: to a snort wheeze. It's a bit early for a

1020
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 3: snort weeze, I went, and I love the snort wheeze.

1021
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 3: As we get into November, probably I'm not snoring weason,

1022
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 3: you know, the twenty fourth of October. But I definitely

1023
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 3: would be challenged running to that deer. But if it,

1024
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 3: you know, I wouldn't be opposed. I guess to storm

1025
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 3: reason as well. You know you're not going to scare

1026
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 3: it away, so I mean you're not. It's not like

1027
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 3: I do that. It's like, oh, everything's ruined. So anyway,

1028
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 3: I think more people should be more aggressive from the calling.

1029
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 2: That does your calling your comfort with aggressive calling? Does

1030
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 2: that extend to rattling as well? Or do you have

1031
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 2: a different take on that now?

1032
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 3: You know I'd love to rattle, and I rattle very

1033
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 3: little anymore. I used to rattle a lot more than

1034
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 3: I do now. And I've called some really nice bucks

1035
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 3: in and had fun with that, I found though at

1036
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 3: least I do most of my honting in Pennsylvania, but

1037
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 3: I've rattled in North Dakota, Kentucky, Illinois, all over the place.

1038
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 3: I don't call as many deer in that way, and

1039
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 3: I end up sometimes I think, making more noise on

1040
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 3: my darn rattling antlers when I'm putting them down on

1041
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 3: a stand or carrying or carrying out or whatever. So

1042
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 3: you know, I used to carry a lot more stuff

1043
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 3: to the stand than I do now. I try to

1044
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 3: go minimal just to not have all of that, and

1045
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 3: rattling antlers are one of the things that I've kind

1046
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 3: of to let go of.

1047
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 2: Now.

1048
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 3: If I'm going to South Texas, I'm I'm taking rattling

1049
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 3: And absolutely I never go deer hunting without a grunt tube.

1050
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 3: I often grunt with my mouth any but I always

1051
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 3: have a grunt tube. There was a long time and

1052
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 3: I carried you know, antler's off fall. I don't do

1053
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 3: that anymore, but more so just from because I don't

1054
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 3: want to carry them, so I don't. I have friends

1055
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 3: that had that rattle in a lot of deer over

1056
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 3: here and have fun with it. I think it's a

1057
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 3: lot of fun, but it's also a lot of movement,

1058
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 3: you know, all of this, and so I probably well,

1059
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 3: I shouldn't say I know that I have spooked, and

1060
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 3: I've seen deer that I have spooked, either in the

1061
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 3: course of the rattling or done is setting the antlers

1062
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 3: down on a tree stand or whatever. So I'm so

1063
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 3: careful about movement, and there's very little movement associated with grunting,

1064
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 3: a lot more so with rattling, So I'm not nearly

1065
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 3: as much rattler as I used to be.

1066
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 2: Okay, we're head and south. Let's say you are gonna

1067
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 2: go hunt in Georgia with your buddy Lindsay Thomas Jr.

1068
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 2: And I don't know what his family property looks like there,

1069
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 2: So let's just say that you guys are on a

1070
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 2: property that has a big central core of cover and

1071
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 2: that is like all of the cover. There's a big

1072
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 2: chunk of this bedding in the middle, and then it's

1073
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 2: surrounded on all Let's say it's a square, and on

1074
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 2: all four sides there's a different food source. Okay, to

1075
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: your north is a chunk of hardwoods with some oaks

1076
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 2: in there. To your south are some green fields, like

1077
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 2: some food plots. They plant some clover or maybe some

1078
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 2: cereal grains. It's like a mixture of that kind of stuff.

1079
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 2: To your east is a neighboring property owner with corn planted.

1080
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 2: And to your west you have some kind of native

1081
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 2: region generation old field kind of stuff going on. Okay,

1082
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 2: those are the four different food sources surrounding your square

1083
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 2: of cover. And I can repeat that for you if

1084
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 2: you want at some point. But on this particular evening

1085
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 2: hunt you're going on, Lindsey tells you, Hey, this place

1086
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 2: is great. There's a lot of great deer. The challenge

1087
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 2: is you just never know what they're going to come

1088
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,919
Speaker 2: out to feed on. They've got these four options, four

1089
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 2: different directions. It's very tricky to pick where to hunt

1090
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 2: on any given night. There seems to be no rhyme

1091
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 2: or reason, he says. And on this particular night, you

1092
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 2: have a light and variable wind, so there's not going

1093
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 2: to be a really strong stiff breeze to be considering.

1094
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 2: So it's late October, you're hunting this place in Georgia

1095
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 2: with a light and variable wind. You're trying to choose

1096
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 2: where to sit for your evening hunt. And I'll repeat

1097
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 2: your food sources. To your north, you have your hardwoods

1098
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 2: with oaks. To your south, you have your green food plots.

1099
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 2: To your east, you have the cornfield. Into your west,

1100
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 2: you have the old field region kind of thing going on.

1101
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 2: Where would you hunt why how would you come to

1102
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 2: that decision?

1103
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 3: Okay? And in what month is it?

1104
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 2: This is the end of October.

1105
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 3: End of October, okay. The first thing I would do

1106
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 3: is I would be assessing wind. Can do like I

1107
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 3: would pick based on where the wind is. You've already

1108
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,919
Speaker 3: said wind is not a factor. Can have any of those,

1109
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 3: so you know that I can pick one spot or

1110
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 3: I have a stamp for every wind with those the

1111
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 3: next thing I would do, And first of all, I

1112
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 3: like the idea of the cover being central hunting from

1113
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 3: the outside, like hunting deer coming out of that into food.

1114
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 3: That is a really, really good setup. I like that

1115
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 3: a lot. What I would do I think that there

1116
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 3: are if oaks are falling with acorns hitting the ground,

1117
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 3: there are very few things that attract dear more than acorns,

1118
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 3: particularly white oak acorns. If I can hunt white oak acorns,

1119
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 3: corn green, whatever it is, or really successful vegetation, odds

1120
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 3: are and there's lots of deer food studies to show this.

1121
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 3: Acorns are likely your best bet. You know they are

1122
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 3: going to be just super attractive. Deer love them, and

1123
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 3: that time of the year you are at the end

1124
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 3: of when they can really put on much fat to

1125
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 3: get ready for winter, so they are going to be

1126
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 3: doing everything possible to add as much fat as they

1127
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 3: possibly can, So acorns will be an awesome, awesome selection. However,

1128
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 3: I would pick where I'm going to be as much

1129
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 3: as anything based on what does the cover around that

1130
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 3: food source look like. And by that what I mean

1131
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 3: is for a long time we had food plots, or

1132
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 3: we had open oak stands where you know, we're hunting

1133
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 3: with a corns or whatever, where you had that and

1134
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 3: then you had woods. Today, every single food plot I

1135
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 3: have and almost every single stand I have in the woods,

1136
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 3: those food sources have some type of cover immediately adjacent

1137
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 3: to them. So for example, the food plot it was

1138
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 3: a square. Rather than plant that whole thing, I plant

1139
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 3: a smaller portion of it and have early successional vegetation

1140
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 3: all the way around where awesome oak stands. Rather than

1141
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 3: being all open through the woods. We have done work

1142
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 3: in the woods so that we have young forests so

1143
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 3: that it's thick cover right adjacent to where there. And

1144
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,959
Speaker 3: the reason for this mark is as you're where deer

1145
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 3: are going to go find the food, you know, but

1146
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 3: they might eat after dark. So if I can only

1147
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 3: have one food or cover. I'm taking cover every single

1148
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 3: time because that still keeps me in the ball game.

1149
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 3: And when I mentioned this, about every single one of

1150
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 3: our stands has early successional vegetation around it because that

1151
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 3: facilitates daytime movement of deer into that food source. You know,

1152
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 3: they might be in the food plot after dark, but

1153
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,439
Speaker 3: they're going to be you know, in the area right

1154
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 3: near it before dark. If they feel secure in three

1155
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 3: to five feet of early successful vegetation makes them feel

1156
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 3: very secure. We are hunting from an elevated position, we

1157
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 3: can see the deer very clearly, so it puts us

1158
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 3: at a tremendous advantage. Having that cover right around food

1159
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 3: is an absolute game changer, absolutely, and we have shot

1160
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,919
Speaker 3: some of the best bumps on us over the last

1161
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,959
Speaker 3: few years with that exact scenario. Case in point, my son,

1162
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 3: this is three hunting seasons ago, now overlooking a food

1163
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 3: plot that had been there for a long time. That

1164
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 3: year I had taken the outside acre of it and

1165
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 3: made it into early successful vegetation. Pennsylvania has more dinners

1166
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 3: per square mile in every other state fourteen and a

1167
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 3: half deer, so there are people everywhere we are into

1168
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 3: It's the end of November. We've hunted deer for six

1169
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 3: or seven weeks with the bow, now a week with

1170
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 3: a rifle. Deer know they're being hunted. I'm in the

1171
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 3: stand when my young son we watch a buck walk

1172
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 3: into this food plot. What he's done is he's walking

1173
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 3: by the early successful vegetation because he knows one step.

1174
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 3: I'm completely hit. It's a winter ride plot. He walks

1175
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 3: down an hour before dark. You know mature bucks aren't

1176
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 3: walking around an hour before dark in Pennsylvania. He walks

1177
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 3: down this row of early successional vegetation, stops at one

1178
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty yards away. My son pulls a trigger,

1179
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 3: drops him in his tracks. We are going crazy celebrating

1180
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 3: because we've had our camp since nineteen seventy seven. This

1181
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 3: was the biggest buck we'd ever killed. This was a

1182
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 3: six and a half year old, one hundred and fifty

1183
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 3: inch dear that is standing at the edge of a

1184
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 3: food plot an hour before dark. He's not standing there

1185
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 3: if that early successional vegetation isn't there. That is the

1186
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 3: game jigger. That is why every food plot we have

1187
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 3: now has that around it. And then when we are

1188
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 3: standing in the woods, we work in the woods to

1189
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 3: have thicket. They don't have to be huge areas, but

1190
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 3: it just has to be enough cover that deer feels

1191
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 3: secure that one step and I'm hitting. So I say

1192
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 3: that to say, everything else being equal, I'm going to

1193
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 3: hunt at oat flat. I want to be with the

1194
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 3: eight corns. But if it's all wide open and the

1195
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 3: corn and or the green patch has early successful vegetation

1196
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 3: aren't cover around it, I likely I'm picking one of

1197
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 3: those because deer are more likely to show themselves during shooting. Ours.

1198
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 2: All right, I love this topic that you brought up

1199
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 2: about the hunting pressure impacts there and how you've dealt

1200
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 2: with that. From like a habitat management perspective, I've got

1201
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 2: to question a scenario for you that is related. Let's

1202
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 2: say you're on your home farm or yeah, let's say

1203
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 2: it's your home farm and you get new neighbors this year.

1204
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 2: And I don't know what your neighboring landowners situation is,

1205
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 2: but let's say that this new neighbor owns property on

1206
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 2: two sides of your farm and they come in the

1207
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 2: season open, and all of a sudden, you see, like WHOA,

1208
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 2: these guys are guns blazing. There's people there every weekend,

1209
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 2: sometimes weekdays, there's a whole pile of people. Like a

1210
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 2: lot of hunters, you frequently see them. You hear them

1211
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 2: buzzing around on their ATVs all the time. They're setting

1212
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 2: up on your property lines. You're seeing them often right

1213
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 2: there on the edge of your property. As the season advances.

1214
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 2: This continues from a hunting perspective of what you can

1215
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 2: do and impact right now during this season while this

1216
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 2: is happening. How does that change things, if at all,

1217
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 2: for you.

1218
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 3: The first thing I'm going to do is if somebody

1219
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 3: buys land near me, I'm going to go meet them

1220
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 3: and introduce myself and just let them know what we do.

1221
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 3: And actually, this is a very real serio for us

1222
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 3: because where I am in northern Pennsylvania, it's an economically

1223
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 3: depressed area. It's an awesome place to raise kids and hunt.

1224
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 3: Money wise, you know, there's not so every landowner except

1225
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 3: for one who borders our farm, lives at least three

1226
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 3: hours away. They live in southern pa or Maryland or

1227
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 3: New Jersey and then drive up here monetarily. You know,

1228
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 3: they can afford to land here more than the locals can.

1229
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 3: It's a great place to be. So having said that

1230
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 3: you know, it's not like I grew up with it.

1231
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 3: Because I now live where I grew up, It's not

1232
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 3: like I grew up with our neighbors. So what I

1233
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 3: do is is I share information with all of our neighbors.

1234
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 3: Every year, I share trail camber pictures, I share an

1235
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 3: annual camp report to let them know what we're doing.

1236
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 3: And I remember in the early years when I started this,

1237
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 3: the guys that are camp said, I can't believe you're

1238
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 3: sharing dear camp, And I said, look, I want them

1239
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 3: to know. This is what we're doing. We're gonna be

1240
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 3: we want to be good neighbors. I'm not asking you

1241
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 3: to do what we do. If you don't want to

1242
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 3: ever pass the buck, that's totally fine. But I want

1243
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 3: you to know where going to so that if you

1244
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 3: choose to, then you can feel secure that we're going

1245
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 3: to as well. And that has worked out very well

1246
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 3: for us. So first thing, I'm gonna let them know, Hey,

1247
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 3: I'm Kip Adams. You know awesome hunting in the area. Congratulations,

1248
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 3: And by this, you know we work with a lot

1249
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 3: of the neighbors here. Share information. You know you have

1250
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 3: bought into a good place to deer on. This is

1251
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 3: kind of what the neighborhood does. This is what we do.

1252
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 3: Love to hear what you want to do, you know,

1253
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 3: love to have you be a good, productive part of us.

1254
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 3: And if they say they choose they don't want to

1255
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 3: be at all, or they just are. And there are

1256
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 3: certainly something like that, and I work with people who

1257
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 3: have neighbors like that. I work really hard to make

1258
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:29,959
Speaker 3: sure we have good cover on us so that deer

1259
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 3: have places to feel secure. I would absolutely make sure

1260
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 3: that in these areas that deer you know, between us

1261
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 3: and them, had really good cover that they could get into,

1262
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 3: whether they're on you know, our farm and moving into that,

1263
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 3: you know, because they're not our deer. It's the neighborhoods dereal.

1264
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 3: They belong to everybody. But you know, if these people

1265
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 3: are and the neighbors are shooting everything or run over,

1266
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 3: I want to provide a place for deer that are,

1267
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 3: you know, near us to be able to feel safe

1268
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 3: and secure as well. So I'm going to make sure

1269
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 3: there's really good cover that they can get in, and

1270
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 3: then I'm gonna be uber careful to not apply pressure

1271
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 3: to those sides of the property that you know, to

1272
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 3: make dear want to leave and go the other way,

1273
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 3: and you know how dear are, though, they will react

1274
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 3: very quickly realize if there's less pressure over here, I'm

1275
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 3: going to spend more time this way. So we'll just

1276
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 3: we'll just be super careful about that. But I absolutely

1277
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 3: I am going to reach out and try to meet the

1278
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 3: neighbors and you know, be a be a good good

1279
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 3: friend to them, so at least give them the opportunity

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Speaker 3: to to be good friends with us too.

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Speaker 2: Yep, that makes a lot of sense, all right, Kip.

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01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 2: In the interesting time, I want to move us to

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01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 2: the final section of this gauntlet, which is like a

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01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 2: rapid fire section. I've got several just very quick questions

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01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 2: that I ask everybody and ask for them to just

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01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 2: respond with like a yes or no or like the

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01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 2: one word answer. I'll give you your options. I know what

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01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 2: you're gonna answer for a couple of these, but I

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01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 2: gotta ask you anyway, and then we'll we'll wrap up

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01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 2: with the one real doozy for you, Okay.

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Speaker 3: Right, all right?

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01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 2: So does the moon matter to deer movement in any

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01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 2: way at all? That is worthwhile for hunters to pay

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01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 2: attention to yes or.

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01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 3: No no, not that it's been in there. Again, there

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01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 3: are millions of data points to show this, and that

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01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 3: goes for both moon phase and moon direction, whether it's

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01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 3: overhead or underfoot. We literally are talking to maybe a

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01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:27,640
Speaker 3: minute or two minutes different, So no appreciable difference with

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01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 3: regard to to when deer moment.

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01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 2: Would you take a fifty yard shot at a white

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01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 2: tail with your bow? Yes? Or no?

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01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 3: I would not. I practice that far. I practice farther

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01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:43,879
Speaker 3: than that. Most of the hunting that I do involves

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01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 3: being near or in woods, so total wide open area.

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01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 3: If I was hunting most of that, like maybe mostly

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01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 3: out west, that might be different. For the vast majority

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01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 3: of the deer hunt that I do, I personally am

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01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 3: not shooting fifty yards.

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01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you only have one of these for the

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01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 2: rest of your deer hunting days, which would it be

1312
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 2: grunt tube or rattling antlers, grunt tube expandable or fixed

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01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 2: blade broadheads.

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01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 3: I'm an expandable guy. And then the data shows that

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01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 3: that that's a little better. And this comes from a

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01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 3: hardcore fixed blade guy for a long long time, But

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01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 3: for white tails, I'm an expandable guy.

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01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 2: Okay, should you stop a moving buck with some kind

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01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 2: of sound before shooting with your bow. Yes or no?

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01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 3: Yes, and that that is a gay difference for me.

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01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 3: I did not used to be that I am with

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01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 3: a rifle, no, with a bow. Absolutely.

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01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 2: Okay. Let's imagine that I ascend to a place of

1324
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,520
Speaker 2: power in which I have control over your hunting privileges

1325
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 2: and I am going to take away your hunting license

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01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 2: across all fifty states unless you can kill a mature

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01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 2: buck this year. You have to kill a mature buck

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01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 2: that if you don't, no more hunt in the rest

1329
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 2: of your days. Here's the real kicker, though. You only

1330
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 2: get one day to hunt this season, and you have

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01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 2: one location to do it from, like one specific stand site,

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01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 2: one ambush location. I would like you to pick the

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01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 2: date on the calendar that you would like to choose

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01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:21,640
Speaker 2: for this very important hunt, and then describe for me

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01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 2: the exact spot. This can be an actual spot that

1336
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,480
Speaker 2: you know of, or this can you can paint a hypothetical.

1337
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 2: You can dream up your perfect situation if you'd like.

1338
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:33,599
Speaker 2: But what's the best possible date for you to kill

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01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 2: this mature buck and the best possible place to do

1340
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 2: it on that day?

1341
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 3: My favorite day to hunt therey of the year is

1342
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 3: November sixth, and so it's that early November time. Personally,

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01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 3: the sixth that's just been very good to me. So

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01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 3: it's going to be November sixth if I'm in Pensilvan,

1345
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 3: say I'm near home, it's where we have, you know,

1346
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 3: a mix of woods and ag land. I am going

1347
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 3: to be in the woods, preferably on a saddle with

1348
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 3: good cover nearby, just a route that really is conducive

1349
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 3: to deer move and you'll covering a lot of the ground.

1350
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 3: You'll be able to navigate between ridges. So I'm a

1351
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 3: huge fan of saddles, but I absolutely want some some

1352
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 3: cover and then often is in the case of young forest,

1353
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 3: you know, even those environments nearby. But November sixth, without

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01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 3: a doubt, one day of the year, that's the day

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01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:21,759
Speaker 3: I'm hunting.

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01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I have a strong sense of confidence

1357
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,759
Speaker 2: that you would get the job done, Kip. I believe

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01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 2: I think you'll be able to keep on hunting, Kip.

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01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 2: Before I let you go, what should folks know if

1360
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 2: there's is there anything new with the with the Deer

1361
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 2: Social Association these days, anything that should be checking out,

1362
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 2: anything you want to make sure we're aware before you

1363
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 2: hit the road.

1364
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 3: I think one thing that's cool that we have now

1365
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 3: that it's going to be brand new is, you know,

1366
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 3: we talk to people about the need to shoot additional

1367
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 3: analysts deer. Part of the reason they don't, it's not

1368
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 3: because they're not a tag or they don't see it,

1369
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 3: it's because they don't even outlet far. So we have

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01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 3: spent a ton of time this past year H one

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01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 3: working with Venison Processors to develop a national Venison donation

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01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 3: processor map. You can go to Deer Association dot com

1373
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:13,600
Speaker 3: and see that, and we continue to add Venison processors

1374
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 3: all the time, so it's a place that you can

1375
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 3: have an L two take a deer to be donated,

1376
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 3: and we're working with statewide donations to increase the amount

1377
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:26,680
Speaker 3: of revenue to them so that it doesn't cost you

1378
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 3: or me or any un or anything. You can literally

1379
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 3: take the deer, not pay a penny. You've done your

1380
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 3: service as a deer steward. You know, you're you're helping

1381
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 3: balance deer nerves and then that food ends up in

1382
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 3: needy family's hands. So I am super excited about that. So, yeah,

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01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 3: they can go check out that Venison processor map. Has

1384
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 3: all the information you know on state donation programs, et cetera.

1385
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 3: I think it's a great resource for hunters and it's

1386
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 3: helping get food into needy family's hands and allowing hunters

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01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 3: to be the champions of society. So that's a pretty

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01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 3: good image for hunters to be. I like that a lot.

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01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a huge win across the board. Well, Kip,

1390
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 2: thank you as always thoroughly enjoyed our chat. I always

1391
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 2: learned something. I always come away with these with new

1392
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 2: ideas and stuff to take to the woods with me,

1393
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 2: so I appreciate that, Kip, And best luck this season.

1394
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 3: All right. Thank you always good to talk with you,

1395
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 3: and thanks for what you do, and absolutely good luck

1396
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:24,599
Speaker 3: to you as well. And I'll be following you and

1397
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 3: I'll be sending you a congrats when I see some hero.

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01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 2: Pics, so bitter back at you. Thanks geting right, We'll

1399
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 2: see you all right, And that's a wrap. Thank you

1400
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 2: for tuning in. As I reminded you guys at the

1401
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:41,679
Speaker 2: end of the introduction, please go to dear Association dot

1402
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 2: com to learn more about what the National Deer Association

1403
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:47,679
Speaker 2: is doing. Kip is leading the charge on a lot

1404
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 2: of really great and important conservation work for white tail deer,

1405
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:55,640
Speaker 2: white tail deer habitat, and the issues and causes that

1406
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 2: matter to folks like you and me deer hunters. So

1407
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:01,600
Speaker 2: become a member. Support dear association. Keep on saying the

1408
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 2: Deer Association. It's the National Deer Association, but their website

1409
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 2: is Deer Association dot com. So, without all said, and

1410
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 2: without any further ado, thanks for being here. I appreciate

1411
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 2: you being a part of this community. I appreciate you

1412
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 2: tuning in every single week, and until next time, best

1413
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 2: of luck in the woods and stay wired to hunt.