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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon. In this episode number one Taylor Show,

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Speaker 1: we're going to be talking about hunting hill country or

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Speaker 1: mountain bucks. And joining us is Steve Flores. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Sika Gear. Now today we've got what I think

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Speaker 1: is going to be a great episode because we're talking

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Speaker 1: about a topic that I'm pretty fascinated by, and that's

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Speaker 1: how to rain influence this deer movement and how we

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Speaker 1: can then use that knowledge to hunt deer and hillier

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Speaker 1: mountainous terrain. And enjoining us to to discuss that topic

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Speaker 1: is West Virginia bohunter Steve Flores, who's a freelance outdoor

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Speaker 1: writer and the owner of white tail dot Com. And

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Speaker 1: I'm particularly interested in this conversation today because I'm going

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Speaker 1: to be hunting in some very rugged and hilly country

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Speaker 1: in Iowa this season, and it's probably gonna be the

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Speaker 1: most hilly country I've ever hunted in. So I'm hoping

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Speaker 1: Steve can share some insight that will help me with

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Speaker 1: this learning process. So high level, long story short, I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty interested in this, pretty excited about it. But Dan,

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Speaker 1: what do you think. Yeah, I'm always interested in learning

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Speaker 1: about new tactics towards hunting white tills. Well, that's very insightful.

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Speaker 1: I was actually up this up this weekend. I was

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Speaker 1: up in northeastern Iowa at my inlaws cabin, which is

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Speaker 1: And that once you get in in a way is

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Speaker 1: away from the river. Up there, it is very steep

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Speaker 1: and hilly, and um, I can see how it would

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Speaker 1: be very tough to hunt deer in that in that area. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: upward up where I'm hunting um in Iowa this year

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Speaker 1: it does definitely gets pretty rugged. It's it's a lot different,

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Speaker 1: and even where you're at is a lot different than

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Speaker 1: I what I think a lot of people imagine, or

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Speaker 1: at least what I imagined that some parts of Iowa work.

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Speaker 1: I assumed it was just flat crop land the entire way,

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Speaker 1: but there really is a lot of ridges and hills

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Speaker 1: it's very different than Michigan, that's for sure. That's right.

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Speaker 1: So so yeah, it's gonna be good. Um, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what else to do with you anything. Any deer

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Speaker 1: hunting new is on your front. Let's see. So I

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Speaker 1: think I told you last week I was doing some glassing,

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Speaker 1: or maybe the week before, I was doing some glassing

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Speaker 1: where they where the hayfield was at, and I got

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Speaker 1: permission to hunt that property or could be on it.

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Speaker 1: Problem you have to be from a ground buck blind

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Speaker 1: and there are no trees on that property. So yesterday

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Speaker 1: that I that where I feel that these deer betting

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Speaker 1: in because it's just the closest um. And I knocked

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Speaker 1: on the door and I got permission to hunt the property.

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Speaker 1: Very nice couple allowed me to uh bow hunt. He's

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Speaker 1: he's really busy. But uh, today I went in hung

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Speaker 1: I'd say the first twenty yards inside the timber just

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Speaker 1: it is some of the thickest timber I have ever

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Speaker 1: I decided, hey, I better get out of here who

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Speaker 1: That's exciting. Man. Now, how much how much acre do

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Speaker 1: is that you have access to? Now? Well, the house

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Speaker 1: on neighboring properties. Yes, so there's a giant pinch point

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. So are you heading down to your Southern

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Speaker 1: Iowa property anymore before the season. Yeah, Actually, tomorrow, after

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Speaker 1: Ohio and checking the cameras. Oh boy, this is my

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Speaker 1: final trip, my final Velvet trail camera pull for Ohio.

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Speaker 1: So today I found a fresh rub so and I've

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Speaker 1: velvets coming off and they're getting hard horns. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: So right acorn crop this year. I don't know about

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Speaker 1: Um find acorns because they are dropping and dropping heavy

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Speaker 1: you're right, that's definitely one of those food sources that

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Speaker 1: they start transitioning to really really hard right now. And dude,

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Speaker 1: through Instagram and it's like Giant Mule, their giant elk,

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Speaker 1: think I might. I don't know what I'm mean. You know,

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Speaker 1: trail cameras, see what they say. But this property that

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Speaker 1: I just got it today looks really good. It's only

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Speaker 1: equals more time in a tree stand. Right, that's definitely

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Speaker 1: good thing. Wow, it's gonna be exciting season, my friend.

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Speaker 1: And before we get to White Tails, though, you me

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Speaker 1: it's uh less than a week from today. You hear

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Speaker 1: just get so fired up that i won't pay attention

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Speaker 1: to this podcast. I'll be like, I'll have other things

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Speaker 1: do have a great guest here. Steve is a very

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Speaker 1: say Dan that we just shut our traps and get

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Speaker 1: Steve on the line. What do you say, Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: the line now is Steve Flores. Welcome the show, Steve.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's glad to be a part of it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we are excited to chat with you. I just was

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Speaker 1: the hilliest country I've ever personally hunted for white tails,

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Speaker 1: and would that mean the case. I'm really interested in

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Speaker 1: in West Virginia doing this a lot. So um, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on you, Steve today because I'm

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Speaker 1: counting on you to help me kill my buck this year.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's harder than you might think too for

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Speaker 1: to make this guy look good. So so that says Steve,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. And um, you know, for those

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Speaker 1: as to what you're doing in the white tailed world today? Uh? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: on the side of freelance. Uh, freelance from major my

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Speaker 1: magazines about hunting magazines. Uh. I do a lot of

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Speaker 1: out of a wood lot or a thicket. On the

429
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: other you know behind you, which is you know you're

430
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: setting up in between. But the way I the way

431
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 1: the mountain bucks moved, they could come at me in

432
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 1: any direction. So it I focus more on my standplacement

433
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: and how it's gonna dictate the move into that buck.

434
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: If he comes through my area, then then thermals or

435
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: wind direction that's not looking. That's not to say I

436
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 1: don't think about this thing, but like I said, I

437
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: will I won't move a stand simply because the thermals

438
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: are wrong. I just I won't move. I used to,

439
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: and I used to, going back to what I mentioned earlier,

440
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 1: I used to do that. I used to play around

441
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: for when I couldn't kill anything. I mean, immature bucks

442
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 1: at best was all I could kill. But once I

443
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: really started focusing on, uh, why is that buck going

444
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: to move through my area? One? And two? If he does,

445
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 1: what's gonna make him walk by this tree that I

446
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: put my standard? You know? And for me, it came

447
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 1: down to just the terrain and how the terrain will

448
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: actually squeeze everything down to a small area and hopefully

449
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, it hands out that way, and a lot

450
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: of times it does. If he comes to an area,

451
00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 1: he's going to walk past me. Yeah, So let's let's

452
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: talk about that about the terrain. You know, it sounds like,

453
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: you know, that's it sounds like that's one of the

454
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: major things that you are paying attention to to figure

455
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: out where these deer might be moving. So can you

456
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 1: talk us through what those most important terrain features are

457
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: that you're looking for and and for those people that

458
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 1: maybe don't hunt this type of rain often can you

459
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: kind of give us kind of the definition of each

460
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: one of these train features to or describe it a

461
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: little bit. Well, a while began when I first started

462
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: looking at typographic maps, and that's anybody said, ever looked

463
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 1: at one, it looks like just a bunch of line

464
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: and they're all going in different directions. Some are really

465
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: close and some are spread really far apart. That's that

466
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: was the key for me. Those lines and they're really

467
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: close together, that's actually really steep terrain, and the lines

468
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: are really far apart is really easy terrains. What I

469
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: look for is an area where those two jut up

470
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: against each other, where you know, easy funnels down in

471
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: the really hard or you've got you know, really steep

472
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: terrain on one side and and easy on the other.

473
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: I mean, deer, you know in the mountains are mostly

474
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: lazy for the most part. I mean, they want to

475
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: they want to pick the path at least resistance as

476
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: long as it doesn't you know, expose them. Um So,

477
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: anytime I can find an area that that and it

478
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be a big area, as long as

479
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: it's a little subtle flat. I mean I've I've hunted

480
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: deer on trails that were no wider than uh, you know,

481
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: and a TV or smaller half the half of width

482
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: of that, but it was enough to funnel a deer

483
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: that he it was easy walking, he felt comfortable, but

484
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: it was really steep on his upper side and his

485
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: lower side. But you've got a little bit of a

486
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: of a flat running on that. That's a really good spot.

487
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: I mean that the deer will litill pension down and

488
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: and funnel the UM. A lot of areas I hunt

489
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: have just while wall of rock. I mean, they can't

490
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: get up, but they can't get down, and it's I

491
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: can find that to find a night flat that runs

492
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: above that, I mean, that's that's that's money, money in bank. Nice.

493
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 1: So so basically you're looking for these terrain related funnels

494
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: UM that you know, look like you mentioned on the maps,

495
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: is going to be aware that steep section might meet

496
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: with a with a flatter section. How do you find these?

497
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: You know, if let's say we're we're at the beginning

498
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: of this process. Let's say hypothetically, I know I'm going

499
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: to hunt this state forest maybe and I don't know

500
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: where in that state forest I wanna hunt, but I

501
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: know I want to hunt somewhere in there. Where do

502
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: I start? Sounds like it, start to the map, but

503
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: can you tell me, all right, how do I start

504
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: really identifying these key spots and then where do I

505
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: go from there? A lot of times I said, you

506
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: start with the app and then if I see a

507
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: hollow that that's pretty with the lines on the map

508
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: that are pretty fairly spaced apart, which means it is

509
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: going to be easy to raise, are going to be

510
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: really steep um And then I start seeing an area

511
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: where the terrain turns into really steep. I mean that

512
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 1: deer to move anywhere on that mountain side. But let's say,

513
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: for instance, if he happens to move in the area

514
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: where that steep terrain is, you can almost predict where

515
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: he's going to move, if he's going to go, you know,

516
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: above it or below it. I mean you can almost

517
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: you know, because you know he's not going to walk

518
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: through it for the most part, he's going to go

519
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 1: around it. So you can start there, and of course

520
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: you have to deject. You know. The next step would

521
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: be actually going to that area that you found on

522
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: your map and actually looking with your own eyes, And

523
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: a lot of times you'll be able to you know,

524
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: if the deer are using that area where that were

525
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: that easy terrain and that tough terrain meet up against

526
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: each other, you'll see the deer trails and then you'll

527
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: be able to see which way they're going to either

528
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: we're going to above it or blow it to get

529
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: around it. And then you just kind of it's just

530
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: a process of elimination. You know, once you see, let's say,

531
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: for instance, the deer moving of this area and this

532
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: this whole hillside, this small section of a hollow is

533
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: fairly easy terrain, and you get to one spot that's

534
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: kind of tough. You know, you'll you actually be able

535
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: to see those deer where they're going around, you know,

536
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: above and the blow and then you just look for

537
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: the right tree, you know, along that trail. M and

538
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: another things come into play, like the sun. I mean,

539
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: you can't when you're hanging a tree standing that kind

540
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: of that kind of terrain and steep. I mean, I've

541
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: shot a lot of my deer I've shot. I'll be

542
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: out of a tree stand and actually shoot at eye

543
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: level with these deer and it's so steep, you know,

544
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: depending on which side of the tree they come come

545
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: in on. If they come above me, I'm usually shooting

546
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: eye level. If it's below me, then it's a pretty

547
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: steep shot. Um So then you know, but when you

548
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: hang your stand, you really have to factor in things. Okay,

549
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: which side of this hill is the sun going to

550
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: rise up behind me? And the hunting in the evenings

551
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: of the mornings, because you're not gonna be well hidden

552
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: for the most parts, A lot of times you need

553
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: to use something like a sun rising behind you to

554
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: put that in his eyes where he can't really see

555
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: you before draw on him. So where do you do

556
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: You typically try to set your stands in one on

557
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: one side or the other. So above or below? Do

558
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: you have a preferred um, you know, direction from the

559
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: travel from the from the you know, expected travel of

560
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: the deer. Yeah, I mean I'd rather get above him obviously,

561
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: because it's you know, if I can get above their eyes,

562
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: it's it's it's pretty good that I you know, even

563
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: even steel. Even then when you do it, I can

564
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: put it above the trail that I'm expecting to kill one,

565
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: and they'll come down above me, you know, come in

566
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: from behind me and above me and come down to

567
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: be high level. I mean one standard I have. I've

568
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: probably the last six or seven bucks I've killed out

569
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: of this stand have. I get set up with the

570
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: deer come underneath me. But every year there'll be a

571
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: nice buck, but I'll pass up. He'll come in from

572
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: behind me, and he'll come down to the eigh level

573
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: with him and keep walking. Um. So it's just you

574
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: never really know what direction it would come from, and

575
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: they just have to play the odds and lots of

576
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: that beer of a buck coming in underneath me or

577
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: higher than him coming above me, that doesn't mean he

578
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: wudn't do it. Yeah, they're they're wild creatures. Yeah, I

579
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: mean you know serious, No, go ahead and finish your thought. Oh,

580
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: I just say they are wild creatures. And like I said,

581
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: it's not you know you're not. You don't have a

582
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: section of of of a crossfield or food plot out

583
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: there where you know without a doubt they might coming

584
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: from that direction. It just it just doesn't work that

585
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: way because you factory in. You know the food here

586
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,959
Speaker 1: they have is is number one aprons and there were

587
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: two is just brows. I mean they just they ditch

588
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: you on anything. So you know the buck that you're after,

589
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: he could have followed a dough that that was feeding

590
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: on an apron tree that was up to hill from

591
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: you that morning, and off the one that was blow

592
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: you that morning, and that kind of you know, and

593
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: that's just want to lead them into coming in a

594
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: bug in want blow. I mean, just so many different

595
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: variables in us that it's nothing's ever. I don't think

596
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: anything with any white tail anywhere you hunt them on,

597
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: especially not in the mountains. I mean, it's just it's exaggerated.

598
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: So you mentioned food sources, um, just now in acorns

599
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: to be one of them. So in the mountains, you know,

600
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: in in Iowa where I hunt, uh, we have we

601
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: hunt a bed, transition area, food source type of that's

602
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: just kind of the way we hunt. So we're we

603
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: we hunt a food source, we hunt a transition area,

604
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: or we're hunting over a betting area. Um, are there

605
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: defined areas in the places that you hunt that that

606
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: look like a betting area there? You say, well, that's

607
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: a betting area, that's a transition that's a that's a

608
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: food source. Uh yeah, I mean there's there's I guess

609
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: the hardest thing is is the betting. It Well, that's

610
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: all hard. I mean it depends on when you're talking

611
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: about food sources, that it depends on the number of

612
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: trees that that produced mastrop that year. And they could

613
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: be there could be five on in the area that

614
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: you're hunting, or there could be two, and you know,

615
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: and some could lose those acrons quicker than the other ones.

616
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: And it's it's it's it's just a guessing game. And

617
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: then uh, you talk about betting areas, Um, there could

618
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: be three thickets in the hollow that you're honing. Well,

619
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: those those those could you know, I've found beds in

620
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: all of them before, I mean, and you know, so

621
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: I still have yet to figure out what dictates where

622
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: they bed You know, why is this one thicket better

623
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,719
Speaker 1: than the other one when I'm you know, if I'm

624
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: hunting an area that I know it is undisturbed and

625
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: nobody's bothering, you know, I don't know what makes them

626
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: choose one over the other. Um, but there is a difference.

627
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: I guess. What I try to do is locate the one,

628
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: let's say, for instance, to one thicket that I think

629
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: has the most beds in it or the most sign

630
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: uh from years past, most bucks s on buck rubs

631
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: and and then I'll I kind of just assume that, Yeah,

632
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: that's the that's gotta be the most heavily used think

633
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 1: it because that's the one the Bucks will visiting the most. Um,

634
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: It's just like everything else, it just changes. It's hard

635
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 1: to keep up with with whatever food source they prefer

636
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: or betting areas. So are you going in every year

637
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,479
Speaker 1: and having to you know, redetermine where is it seem

638
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: like they're feeding the most right now this year, where

639
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: they seem to be betting the most, or do some

640
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: of these things. Eventually, you know, it becomes a year

641
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: after year, you know that this think is going to

642
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: be a top betting year. You know that this ridge

643
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: is gonna be a major food source, and that stuff

644
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: stays consistent. You know, which is it? It stays consistent

645
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: once you find like the spot that I mentioned earlier,

646
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: one free stand that I've got that's I've never had

647
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: a true stand like this in my life. Um, and

648
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,479
Speaker 1: it's it's I save it for the rut. I don't

649
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: go in until the rut starts, and it's adjacent to

650
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: a dough batting area. Um that that holds the dose

651
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: a year after year. I mean, it's been the most

652
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: consistent one I've ever found, and for the most part,

653
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: I think there. I think the biggest thing that I

654
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: messed up early on in my career, and that goes

655
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: back to, you know, the mistakes I made was I

656
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: would find a good group of those and a good area,

657
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: and I would start hunting, and I and I would

658
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: hunt with the with the naive assumption that we're all

659
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: when the rut kicks in, I really want to get

660
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: my deer this year with a nice buck and a

661
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: big buck. And and that just wasn't it because I

662
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: was burning it out every time I hunted it. And

663
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: I think those are so in tune with their area

664
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: that it doesn't take very many hunt to to spook

665
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 1: the dose and and to change their patterns and put

666
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: them on alert. Um. So what I do now is

667
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: I find those does I find a nice pocket of dose,

668
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: and I don't touch until the rut. And that's that's

669
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: how I've treated this stand and it's produced for seven years.

670
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: It's just the only year I didn't shoot a buck.

671
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: Uh I had, I had shown up one seventy class

672
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 1: bucket from this area, and you know, all of a sudden,

673
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: my standards got really got really high, so I thought, well,

674
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 1: I'm you know, now I can't shoot anything. It's got

675
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: to be really big. Well that last of the year

676
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: and then I snap back to reality. But that was

677
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: the only year I haven't had to kill anything from

678
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: the stand um and it's it's situated next to a

679
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: dough bedding are the doze bed on the back side

680
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: of this ridge. I'm on the other office side, uh,

681
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: in an area where I know when the bucks come

682
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,479
Speaker 1: through cruising. If they come through this area, and most

683
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: of them do, they've got to walk past my stand

684
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: because behind me it's it's pretty steep and I've got

685
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: a small little flat and below me it gets steep,

686
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 1: so they naturally going to walk through there. Like I said,

687
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: some of them come in from above me and even

688
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: once below me, but for the majority overall, playing the

689
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: numbers throughout the years, the majority of the bucks have

690
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: walked right undernase my stand because of that terrain, and

691
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: they're going there to find those those which I've I've

692
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: left alone since the previous year. I don't go in

693
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: until second week November, and I think the longest I've

694
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: ever had to hunt from that stand to kill a

695
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 1: buck was probably four days, maybe five. It's mostly over

696
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: in two days. Wow, So you know, go ahead. I

697
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: was just gonna ask, you know, these bucks in this

698
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: type of terrain during the rut, do they have a

699
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 1: really consistent way that they're typically cruising this kind of area?

700
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: You know my assumption in some of the areas I've

701
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: hunted his lots of times they're cruising, you know a

702
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: certain a certain part up the ridge, cruising those ridges

703
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: to check for dough is betted higher above them, checking

704
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: the wind. Is that what's happening by you? Or how

705
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: are they traveling most of the time during the run.

706
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: I've seen him come from both areas that this the

707
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: stand is situated just in the just on the edge

708
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: of the lift that kind of drops back into this

709
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: a little little part of the hollow. It's almost too

710
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: near the almost near the top, but not not not

711
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: exactly way up on top of the wind just blows

712
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 1: and you know, in that one direction, because there's really

713
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: no funnel up there. The top is flat, and they

714
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: just they go everywhere. But once they come down from

715
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: the top, or they come up from the bottom, they

716
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: get squeezed down in this one little area. And I

717
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: think that the bucks that I've shot coming up are

718
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: hinted to that thicket looking for those days, and they

719
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: get squeezed down in front of me. And then the

720
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: bucks that I've seen a shot that came from above.

721
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: I get, you know, I'm just a looman that they've

722
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: already cruized that thicket. There's nothing there, and they're moving

723
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: on away from it to look for something else. And

724
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: then when they come out of it, they if they

725
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: even once they're start in that direction towards me, they've

726
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: got to come through this little funnel. It'll have to

727
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: with the majority of the time, they'll walk right through

728
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: it and then they get shot through. To make my

729
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: heart beat fasten, it just doesn't take much. Yeah, I

730
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: understand that. So before we move on to another question

731
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,279
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752
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 1: if if your rut strategy seems to be finding an

753
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: ideal dough betting area, finding a pinch point near that,

754
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: and saving that for the rut, then what are you

755
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: doing in you know, early October or whenever the early

756
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: season is in West Virginia. What are you doing at

757
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 1: that point so you're not screwing up your top rut spots,

758
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: but I'm assuming you're still hunting sometimes does your set

759
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: what are your setups look like that. I'm kind of

760
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: about one goal in mind usually that that part of

761
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: the years is stilling a freezer. Um, you know, early on,

762
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: if if you're going into a new spot, I mean,

763
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: you've got to spend some time in that area. You

764
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: can't just walk to say, well, I'm not gonna I

765
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: found some days I'm not gonna walk in. I'm not

766
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: gonna walk in here until the run. I mean you've

767
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 1: got to get You've got to figure out a little

768
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: bit of it, so you're gonna you know, I wasted

769
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: a year or two figuring out how the deer, how

770
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: the does, and how the deer were actually moving through

771
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: this area before I finally started saying, okay, I've I've

772
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: got a pretty good grasp of of what's going on.

773
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna, you know, next year, I want to

774
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: hold off a little bit longer, and the next year

775
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: a little bit longer until I finally got down to

776
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: where I was waiting until the rut. But like right now, um,

777
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: you know, probably this year I'm probably closer to killing

778
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: a big, a big buck than I've ever been in

779
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: the early city season. And the only reason I I

780
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: feel that way I've spotted this book. I've watched him

781
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: uh from Afar. I've set some cameras up. Um, I've

782
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: kind of backtracked just enough. I've moved my cameras back

783
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: just enough to the first funnel that I think he's

784
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: coming through. So I've hung a stand and now I'm

785
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: just going to wait until it's time to hunt and

786
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: then see if my hunt was correct. And if it's not,

787
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, I have to move deeper, you know, find

788
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: another funnel that that that he's going through. Why he's

789
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: on his feet, I guess what I'm trying to say, Um,

790
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: but right now I mean it to say, yeah, I've

791
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: got this big bucket. I'm gonna kill him on this season.

792
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: I just not done. I've never been able to do

793
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 1: it because it's been my experience that you know, food

794
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: sources change the cover that that that is in the

795
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: woods right now, I won't be there in a month

796
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 1: and a half from now, so that it's gonna fall

797
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: and it's not one of those bucks aren't gonna feel

798
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: as secure as they do right now. So they're going

799
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: to their travel patterns are going to change. Everything's going

800
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: to change from now until the rut. But once that

801
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 1: rut starts, their desire to find those days is never

802
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 1: going to change. It's always it's a percent will always

803
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: be there. So that's where I I just throw a

804
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: lot of my focus and effort for that one time frame.

805
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: It's paid off for me great. But hopefully this year

806
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: it will be the the beginning of I guess, uh,

807
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: my way of figuring out the early season portion them.

808
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: You know, of hunting mountain bucks. I've got the white

809
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: tel rut lockdown, I believe, but it's it's the early

810
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 1: season that I've I've always struggled with because of those

811
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: changing variables. Yeah, you mentioned hopefully, go ahead, I was

812
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 1: gonna say. You mentioned, um that you're using trail camera

813
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: is right now to try to help you better pattern

814
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: this buck. Can you share with us just in general? Um?

815
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: You know, how are you specifically using trail cameras throughout

816
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: the year? Um, whether that be in this situation in

817
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: the early season, but then if you're using it later

818
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: in the year during the rudder other times. You know,

819
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 1: what does your trail camera strategy look like? Right now?

820
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: I'm using licking branches, Um, I'm using There's a lot

821
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: not a lot of people I guess I don't know.

822
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: It's a lot of people know about it or have

823
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: tried it, but it's uh using preorbital scent glands um

824
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: and just doctored a lot of licking branches and basically

825
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: what it is. It's just like a mock scrape, only

826
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm not putting uh dear yearn in the scrape. Um.

827
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: A lot of these bucks will use the preorbitabal gland

828
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: uh in their eye on the outside. They like the

829
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: lower plumb their eye to communicate their scent with each other,

830
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: especially when they're bachelor groups. A lot of them, you know,

831
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: everybody knows who's who, and and my my scheme is

832
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: to introduce a mystery buck into the group, um, one

833
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: that the rest of them don't know about, ever smelled before,

834
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: haven't seen, And then I start laying these these uh

835
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: mark set ups throughout this area that I think this

836
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: buck is in, and just set up a camera and

837
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: hopefully uh catching interacting with that licking branch and the

838
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: buck that I'm chasing right now. I've actually got a

839
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: lot of video of him, not just him, I mean

840
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: I've got I've got a lot of video of him

841
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: and several other books using that licking branch. Actually got

842
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 1: some bucks urinating in the in the the scrape scraped

843
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: out area have under the branch, and I haven't put

844
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: in urine yet. I've just used the preorbabal gland and

845
00:45:54,920 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: the interdigital gland in the scrape. I get used introducing

846
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: the urine too. I just started getting some bucks that

847
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: are starting urinate in their strap. So that's basically right

848
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: now this year. Last year we had so many acrons

849
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: on the ground. They were still on the grounds up

850
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: into the early part of December. This year, I don't

851
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: think we want to have any So that's what it's just,

852
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: you know, and that's the deer will be moving a

853
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: lot looking for food, so that kind of makes it

854
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, it doesn't make it a lot

855
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: easier as far as seeing dear movement. Last year, I

856
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 1: didn't even pull my bow back. Uh, passed one nice buck,

857
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: but it was in the rut and I was in

858
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: my favorite stand and there was I knew there was

859
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: bigger deer in the area. I'd let him walk and

860
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that I'd never get the pull the backpack.

861
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: So um, yeah, that's just the difference. And you know,

862
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: that's how it is. One year it's there's acrons everywhere,

863
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 1: and the deer don't they don't have to get up, uh,

864
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, they don't have to move but plot And

865
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: in the next year there's nothing, and then they're moving everywhere.

866
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: So I expect a lot of bug a lot of

867
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: big bucks to hit the ground in this area this year.

868
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: So are you gonna be using Yeah, are you gonna

869
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: be using your cameras during the run at all? Then

870
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: it sounds like you've got a pretty good strategy at

871
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: this time of year. Do they play a role at

872
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: all once we get into November or at that point

873
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: you're just focusing on your funnel, on your funnel and

874
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: pinch points and not worrying about what the cameras tell you. Well, no,

875
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: I mean, even though even though this this fands psychlout,

876
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: God is is fremendous. I don't you know, I don't

877
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: stop looking. There's always you know, there's always I think,

878
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: there's always something better to be had, and there's nothing,

879
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 1: you know, there's nothing better than having one one good

880
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,240
Speaker 1: one good rust stand except for having two good rustan

881
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: you know. So if I can find another area, you

882
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: know that that seems that it might hold some promise,

883
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and set some cameras up and good

884
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: camera with a large SD card and some batteries and

885
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: just leave it, leave it alone. A lot of times

886
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: I've done that a lot of times, not check it

887
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: until I've tagged out in the other area that I'm

888
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 1: hunting after the seat, and I'll go back and grab

889
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: that card. And a lot of times I can start

890
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: piecing together, you know, looking at another area and saying, yeah,

891
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 1: just this might be another good spot. Um, and then

892
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: you know, then I've got two spots. And if you know,

893
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: a friend comes along wants to go, or my wife

894
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: bow hunts a lot, I've always got to have, you know,

895
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: a second good spot hanging around for something. So who

896
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 1: gets the second good spot? You were your wife? What's that?

897
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 1: Who gets the second good spot? Uh? Probably my wife?

898
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: Well hopefully she doesn't listen to this podcast. Yeah, well

899
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: I won't tell her when it comes on. So so, Dan,

900
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 1: you've been listening in for a little bit. Where any

901
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: other questions you've got for Steve, you know, in regards

902
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: to this type of terrain or how might apply to

903
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: what you're doing in Iowa. Yeah, I have a question

904
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: about access. Um, Now what first my first question. You

905
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: can answer this very simply if you if you know

906
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: what kind of elevation are we talking here? Are we

907
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: talking like big Appalachian mountains? Is that where you're hunting in? Yeah? Okay,

908
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: So are you access to your stands? Are you or

909
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: is most of the access? Are you going down to

910
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: the stand or are you coming up to the stand.

911
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: It could just varies. I mean, it really does. Um

912
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: sometimes I mean, you know, I'll go I'll access let's

913
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: say it from an IPv and then I'm walking the

914
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: rist of the way in where a lot of guys

915
00:49:54,520 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: will access it on ATV and walk the last ta know,

916
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: And I think that hurts a lot of them. But

917
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 1: it really, it really just depends on the situation. I mean,

918
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: I can't say that I'm always walking up or down.

919
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's some of my park and I'll walk

920
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: sidehill the other ones. You know, a lot of guys

921
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: don't walk up hill. They don't they'd rather walk down,

922
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: I think, um, you know, and they drive up pops

923
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: the ridges and they find a little spot just over

924
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: the hill. And I used to be one of those

925
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 1: guys and I did the same thing. You know it's

926
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 1: easy access, consistent winds. Why ain't I killing the big bug?

927
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: And I finally just got tired of that and thought,

928
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a different way. That would be a

929
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: better way. It's gonna be a harder way, but it's

930
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: gonna be better as far as you know, results go.

931
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 1: It's it seems like it'd be tough to figure out

932
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: the right access for out in an area like this

933
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: where you know, I'm thinking like trying coming for an

934
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: evening set and I have to know it sounds like

935
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: it's big timber. You know, I would be are worried

936
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: about spooking deer heading into my tree stand. You know,

937
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: how do you how can you get in there with us?

938
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: Is it just simply you have to learn a property,

939
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: figure out where those couple idea of betting airs are

940
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: and then just make sure you're staying away from those

941
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: and you try to access in the evening or you know,

942
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: what's your rhyme or reason to figure out the right

943
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: access route. Well, I mean you're never going to be

944
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: a you know, without bumping a beer. I mean, it's

945
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 1: gonna happen, like I said, because they just they go everywhere,

946
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: you know, especially when there's not a law of food

947
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: and they're browsing. They're just browsing everywhere. You're going to

948
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: run into deer. It's just you know, I try to

949
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: just play the odd, you know, find those good betting areas,

950
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 1: or find those those funnels. If I can find a

951
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: deep ravine that runs, you know, from the bottom of

952
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: the hill, you know, two hundred yards up the hill,

953
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: but gives me, you know, it keeps me out of

954
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,959
Speaker 1: sight and provides you know, nice quiet walking, I'll take

955
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: that over, you know, a foil ride that takes me

956
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: to the top, and they're gonna walk right down in

957
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: the middle of that fun herban right down to that

958
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: stand right and you know where everybody can see me.

959
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: The deer can hear me and see me coming for

960
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: you know, across the valley and you know, and see

961
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 1: my flashlight, you know, a little night I mean access

962
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 1: stands where you know, I could took it. I could

963
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: have took my a TV to the very top and

964
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: walked ten minutes and got in my stand. But I

965
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't do it. I'd go in from the bottom and

966
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: walk up a deep ravine full of rocks, and because

967
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: none of the deer could see me, and most of

968
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: them couldn't hear me because I was walking on rocks

969
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: instead of leaves. And I will just pop up within

970
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: fifty yards of my stand and just take my time

971
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: that last fifty yards and slip in and and uh

972
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: wear them out as the early season stand. I used

973
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: to do that a lot, one of my favorites. And

974
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: then like a lot of things around here, you know,

975
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: public land, and once they cut an a TV trailer,

976
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: everybody uses it and then it just the deer booger

977
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: out and you're going to another area. Yeah, So speaking

978
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: of wearing a spot out or you know, putting in

979
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: your time, um during the rut? Are you are you

980
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: hunting all day once you get to a stand like

981
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: that or are you just warring evening? No, I'm all day,

982
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: I'm all day. Any advice I was gonna say, any

983
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: advice on on pulling that off? I know I do

984
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: the same thing, but a lot of people struggle with

985
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: all days sits. Any advice on how to pull that

986
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: one off? You? I mean, for me, if I've got

987
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: a a nice truck camera picture of you know, whatever

988
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: buck I'm chasing, that's usually about all I need. I mean,

989
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: and you know, I tell myself it's just you know,

990
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: if I do everything or right, it's only gonna be

991
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: a couple of days. I mean, I can survive anything

992
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: for a couple of days, you know, getting nice, comfortable

993
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: stand get some good Truill camera pictures that confirms you know,

994
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: it gives you some some motivation to sit there all day.

995
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: Get some good food, you know, being shape, you know,

996
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: all those things factory into you know, get some good clothing, um,

997
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: all those things factory and that's what's health. And you

998
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: stay there. I mean, and as as bad as I

999
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: think sometimes, you know, your your iPhone is for keeping

1000
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 1: the preoccupied st just enjoying what's out there and paying

1001
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 1: attention to what's out there. Sometimes that has to take

1002
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: the edge off too. If you can chat with a

1003
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: body for a few minutes or you know, talk to

1004
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: your wife for a few minutes or whatever. I mean

1005
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: that that that always helps too. But I mean I

1006
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: just try to picture the big tick, you know, the

1007
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: big goal that's in mine, and that's shooting the true buck.

1008
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: And especially if I'm going to the image and sometimes

1009
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: I'll print that out, stick it under my hat every

1010
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: time I want to leave I'll pull that out. You

1011
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: got to stay. I like that. It's a good idea.

1012
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: I think I need to try that because it definitely,

1013
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,760
Speaker 1: you know, like you said, it's it can be so tempting.

1014
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 1: After you know three four or five fold a's on stand,

1015
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: you're freezing your tail off. Maybe the action hasn't been good,

1016
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: so you're not seeing anything, you're getting disheartened. I mean,

1017
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: it's really easy to get tempted to say I screw this,

1018
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: I'm going back and enjoying a nice hot lunch. But man,

1019
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: the thing is that that time you go get the

1020
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: hot lunch could be the one time that your big

1021
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,959
Speaker 1: buck cruise through there and you missed it. Yeah. Yeah,

1022
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: I had a big one a few years ago. I

1023
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: I thought a few pictures of this buck in the

1024
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: early season, and near my rut stand, I was using

1025
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: some of the preorbal stuff. I was like, Hey, I'm

1026
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: gonna hunt this guy with a red star. Took a

1027
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: week off vacation. Day one, had a bunch of honey

1028
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 1: dew stuff. It needs to be done. I thought, Damn,

1029
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: what's gonna hurt one day. I'll just I'll take one

1030
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: day at my vacation and I'll come out looking like

1031
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: a king. I'll get all this stuff done. So I

1032
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 1: went to the next day to get my stand, pulled

1033
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: my card in the dark, got up in my tree,

1034
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: slipped a party in my camera and turned it on

1035
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 1: looting there he stid the day before when I was home,

1036
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 1: you know. So it's yeah, during the run it I mean,

1037
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: you got it. I'm sure you know this. You got it.

1038
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:07,280
Speaker 1: Putting as much time as you can. Yeah, it's something

1039
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: you gotta do. It's a numbers game to some degree.

1040
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: You put yourself in the right place and then just

1041
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: tough it out long enough till they eventually comes through. Yes, yes, exactly,

1042
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 1: the numbers game. So I feel like we've got a

1043
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 1: good idea of what you're doing during the early season

1044
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: to try to figure these deer a little bit. And

1045
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: then when it comes to the rut, you know, we're

1046
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: identifying those doe betting years, find the pinch points near him,

1047
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: and then just putting in your time. Um, I think

1048
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: for a lot of guys that's going to help them

1049
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: put together based strategy when it comes to hunting this

1050
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: mountainous terrain or very hilly terrain. But if there was

1051
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: just like a couple of the most common mistakes that

1052
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 1: people make in this type of hunting situation that maybe

1053
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: we haven't touched yet. Is there a couple of those

1054
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 1: mistakes that we need to make sure we are absolutely

1055
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: not making in this kind of in this kind of place.

1056
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: A lot of guys, A lot of guys I sually

1057
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: don't take this sack and a serious um. I see

1058
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: a lot of guys standing at the gas station and

1059
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: the wining with their hung outfit on. Um. Just I

1060
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. I don't know how how

1061
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: they can think that that that that's going to lead

1062
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: to a bus you know, mature buck, because it want um,

1063
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: it's it's got to be. It's gotta you've gotta be

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00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: beyond obsessed with your sin. I mean in every in

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00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: every way. I mean I start, I start a month

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00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: out from my my opening day, and I started the

1067
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: whole the whole routine, the washing clothes, my clothes. I

1068
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: don't wear any clone, I don't use any affore shade,

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00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: I don't use shaving cream. I mean, it's it's you know,

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00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: I think that's the number one thing is you know,

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00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: apart from what we've discussed and the strategies and want

1072
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: to look for it's to sin control and with that

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00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: that when the way it bumps around, UM get you know,

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00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: you only have a chance if you're not control. You

1075
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: mentioned um, you know, not wearing your clothes out when

1076
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: you're out and about and and being careful about what

1077
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: kind of scented stuff you put on. You can you

1078
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: can you share with us what else do you do

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00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: from a scent control standpoint, you know, from the very

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00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: beginning to the end, what's your full sink control regiment?

1081
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: Because we all kind of have different variations, it's always

1082
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: curious to hear what each person does what specifically entails

1083
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: your your scent control obsession. Start like sits talking about

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00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: a month out, I start while I start bating with

1085
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: nothing to send free. So a lot of guys will

1086
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: do this Friday nights before they when we hunt on Saturday,

1087
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: Monday through Friday. There they're wearing a cologne to work.

1088
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: You know, they're shaving with with shaving cream. I mean,

1089
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: and I you know, I could still smell that stuff

1090
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: on my hands, uh you know, all shaved shaving cream.

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00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: And I try to wash my hands and sent free soap,

1092
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: and I can still smell that stuff. On my and uh,

1093
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: you know, hours or a day or two afterwards, if

1094
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: I can smell another deer can smell them. So you know,

1095
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: I'm starting a month out, I start start bathing the

1096
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,919
Speaker 1: scent for soap, so I know that'll shadow of doubt.

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00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: There's nothing on my skin that that's that's going to

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00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: give my physician away. So and I don't think, you know,

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00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: as good as those products are, I just don't think

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00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: that you're going to get the full effect of them

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00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: if you use them to night before and you you

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00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: haven't practiced any scent control h steps Monday to Friday,

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00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: and then you try to bathe like that the night before.

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00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: H And I just don't think you can. You can

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00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: pull it off in an area where you're not playing

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00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: the wind. Um. I do that, H. I take chlor

1107
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: phil peels um the washing. You know, I always run

1108
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: an empty wash in the washing machine before I throw

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00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: my handing clothing in UM, spread down the dryer, dry

1110
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: it out real good spread angles and sent control stuff.

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01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: I don't touch my my my clothes with my bare hands.

1112
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: Always to wear roser gloves. UM. The towel that I

1113
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: dry off on in the mornings, it's also sent free.

1114
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: I don't want my wife. My wife doesn't use any

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01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: any kind of detergent. She uses it's sent free, uh

1116
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: through the week, from the kid's clothes, her clothes, my clothes.

1117
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: I got to convince my wife to do that. What's

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01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: the trip to that I don't Well, she both she understands,

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01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: you know, she understands it. I mean she she knows

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01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: that my pain. She knows when I go through Um yeah,

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01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: I mean said right off of that. I mean, I'm

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01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: not trying to you know, I don't have to override

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Speaker 1: all that scent from five days prior for you know,

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01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: the night before I hunt, and it's just you know,

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01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: um so I've got that going for me. Like I said,

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01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: the towel that I dry off on, it's it's sent

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01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: free of Also, I've seen a lot of guys, you know,

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01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: they will a lot of my buddies, they'll obeyed and

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01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: sent through soap and get out and grab that talent

1130
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: or wife wash that smells like downy. I mean, when

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01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: your skin's wet and you're taking a talent's that's got

1132
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: that downy sent on it. Man, you're just you just

1133
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: cover yourself in there. Dear will pick you off, and

1134
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: they end, they'll put on the sent control clothing and

1135
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: get winded and say, last stuff doesn't work and close it.

1136
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: That's again because it doesn't work. Well, it's not a

1137
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: cure off for everything. But you know that you've gotta

1138
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: you know, you you've got to help that clothing out

1139
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: or that sent control sprayeror something. You've got to do

1140
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: a little bit on your part to help it. Um

1141
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: closing it my boots nothing not nothing nice, honey, And

1142
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: never see the inside of my house or my vehicle.

1143
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: It goes straight out into the water of the dryer

1144
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: and into my bag and then it gets put outside

1145
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: in my garage. It doesn't stay. Um doesn't stay in

1146
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: the house. And then the actual clubs that I wear

1147
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: that I drive in my vehicle to my hunging area,

1148
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: those have also been been washed and they're sent free.

1149
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: Complete change of clothes from everything for my socks and underwear,

1150
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: pants and shirt. It all comes off and put my

1151
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: hunt clothes on. And then when I get done and

1152
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: come out of my clothes, my hunting clothes and put

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01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: those clothes back on from the drive home. And I

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01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: don't deviate from that that process, damn. Um. So I

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01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: just on top of that, and like I said, trying

1156
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 1: to stay in as best shape as I can so

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01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: that you know, that two d yard walk up the

1158
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: hill or however long it is, it's not gonna you know,

1159
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: the less I can sweat doing that, the better off

1160
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: I am. The only way home want to sweat lessons

1161
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 1: to be in better shaped or fits ten degrees outside.

1162
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: I sweat too much. But yeah, I mean it's just

1163
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: and then all that ties into, you know, the whole

1164
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: system where you know, if you deviate from one one

1165
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: part of that, then it just takes the overall system weaker.

1166
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 1: So I give it sist. Yeah, it's It's something we

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01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: talked about a lot. It's just that, you know, when

1168
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 1: it comes to hunting mature bucks, whether it be in

1169
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: the Midwest or definitely in an area like you where

1170
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: you're at, it really does come down to the little things,

1171
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: to these tiny little details, and you have to get

1172
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: a whole lot of these to all line up just

1173
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: right to get those rare opportunities. Um So, at least

1174
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned, every single tiny variable that

1175
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 1: I can control, I want to because there's you gotta

1176
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: control what you can because there's a whole lot of

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01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: things out of your control when it comes to the deer. So,

1178
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: um man, I'm a big believer and a lot of

1179
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: stuff you said. They're just paying attention to the little things,

1180
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 1: being obsessive when you have to, because it really does

1181
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: pay off in the long run. Yeah, it does. It

1182
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: does well, and it makes it worse. I mean when

1183
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,439
Speaker 1: you when you put your hands around there, that set

1184
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: of horns that you've been dreaming about for months or

1185
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: maybe years, it makes to everything worth it makes it

1186
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: easier to do. So. So, what's this big buck look

1187
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: like that you're waiting on to hopefully get an narrow

1188
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: in early season? Um, he will be. He will be

1189
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: my second wards. I don't know if I don't know

1190
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: if he's gonna be hit the one saving he's like

1191
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: like the blast one. I mans, but he's gonna be

1192
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: I want to say, he's gonna hit one sixty. Um

1193
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: and for here, that's you know, that's the equivalent of

1194
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 1: a one eight in the Midwest. I mean, it's just

1195
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 1: you don't see him now, especially in the area I'm

1196
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 1: hunting him because it's it's uh, it's it's open season

1197
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: on anything for this buck to be this big, it's

1198
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: still alive. It is a rarity. Um, hopefully I can,

1199
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 1: I can follow up with you and like you know,

1200
01:04:55,040 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 1: some some good picks him in my hands. Yeah, I've

1201
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: got three weeks. Uh. We opened on the twenty six,

1202
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: so I'm hoping too, having been But you know, it's

1203
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: like everything else. I mean, you can't you can't put

1204
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: it on your egs in one basket, on your hopes

1205
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: on on one buck, and and he's a wild animal

1206
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 1: and he's not my buck. He could be anybody by

1207
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 1: anybody's bucks. So I kind of try to keep it

1208
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 1: in perspective. Um, it's meant to deal. Yeah, yeah, that's

1209
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: wise words right there for all of us, because there

1210
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 1: is the the tendency for a lot of people, and

1211
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: I've been guilty of at times two where you get

1212
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 1: so excited about one deer you forget that there's a

1213
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 1: lot more to it. So so that's a great reminder

1214
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: and you forget that there's a lot more. There's a

1215
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 1: lot of other hunters out there too. You know, there

1216
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 1: are a lot of guys saying, well he shot my buck.

1217
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: Well I don't know that it was your your buck

1218
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: or my buck or anybody's buck. It's just yeah, that's

1219
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 1: you gotta keep any respective Yeah, yeah, very true. So Steve,

1220
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,959
Speaker 1: we are we're coming up on here on time, and uh,

1221
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: this has been awesome. Dan actually had to drop off.

1222
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 1: He has some little child issues. He's he's a parent

1223
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 1: of new newly born so he's dealing with that. But

1224
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 1: I know he yeah, he really enjoyed this too, So

1225
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 1: so thank you, Steve. And if anyone listening wants to

1226
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: see more from you, and some of your articles are

1227
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 1: blog posts in the future, where can they go online

1228
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: to see that they can visit? They can find my

1229
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 1: stuff on three sixty five white cub dot com, uh,

1230
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: deer lab dot com. And probably gonna do a set

1231
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 1: of features for American Hunter Dottle work coming up. That's

1232
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 1: kind of the works right now. Um and aside from that,

1233
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: right for Hunting World Peterson's Bow and Arrow. Um. So,

1234
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 1: any of those magazines or those online sources be a

1235
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: good way to find me, or just look me up

1236
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 1: on Instagram or Facebook. I usually post my latest stuff

1237
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 1: on there and then it will take you right to cool. Well.

1238
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 1: We will make sure to link to those things in

1239
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 1: the blog post this episode two. So anyone listening, if

1240
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 1: you want to find that, we'll have links. So Steve,

1241
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 1: this has been great. Um, I've definitely learned a few

1242
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: things and I'm excited to test some of these ideas

1243
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: out in my own hill country. So so thank you

1244
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 1: and good luck this season, Steve. Thank you Mark. I

1245
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 1: really appreciate the opportunity talk about my favorite big game. Man.

1246
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 1: Absolutely well, make sure you get back in touch when

1247
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 1: you shoot that big one. All right, I'll definitely really

1248
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 1: offer the best of luck to YouTube this year. Man.

1249
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: All right, thanks Steve, bye, Thank you Mark. All Right,

1250
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 1: that is going to do it for us today, and

1251
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 1: thank you again Steve for sharing all that awesome insight.

1252
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 1: A couple of quick updates before we wrap things up.

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01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 1: If you want more podcast episodes in your life, we

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Speaker 1: do have our new show, white Tail Q and A

1255
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Speaker 1: that comes out twice a week. These are short episodes

1256
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: in which we answer one listener submitted question on Tuesdays

1257
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 1: and Wednesdays. If you want to check that out, go

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01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 1: to iTunes and search for white Tail Q and A

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Speaker 1: or go to wired hunt dot com slash white Tail

1260
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 1: QA and you will see those episodes there. So be

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01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: sure to check that out. And if you happen to

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01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 1: like it, we would really appreciate a rating or review

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Speaker 1: them know that you enjoy the show. We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: So all that said, most importantly, thank you all for

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Speaker 1: joining us today. We really appreciate you tuning in and

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Speaker 1: I hope you learned a lot today. So until next time,

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Speaker 1: I have a great week. Hopefully you're hunting now or soon,

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Speaker 1: so if you are, go get them and otherwise stay

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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt. M