Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't know, you've never known stories of
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Speaker 1: this is Thinking Sideways the podcast. I'm Devin, joined as
Speaker 1: always by Joe and Steve and Steve and Steve. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: happy birthday. Huh but it's our birthday today? Where you're
Speaker 1: all today? Not quite? Yeah? Yeah, it's been fifty two.
Speaker 1: Isn't this our fifty second episode in fifty two weeks?
Speaker 1: Fifty two weeks? Yeah, but the first? Oh why? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: so on day three, it's the day before your birthday.
Speaker 1: If your birthday's day one, it makes sense. Alright, fine,
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Speaker 1: I'm it's about to be delivered in the form of
Speaker 1: this episode. Okay, and this is a juicy and testing episode.
Speaker 1: It's a it's an okay one. Yeah, it's actually a
Speaker 1: listener suggestion from way back, probably one of our first
Speaker 1: listener suggestions. Yeah, it's it's an old one. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: got it. Via Reddit actually from a user named oh
Speaker 1: and eight oh and eight. No, it's and eight oh
Speaker 1: and date. Thank you. Sorry, sorry it took me so well. Actually,
Speaker 1: let's be honest. I remember we all say Joe would
Speaker 1: probably do this story. So it's really Joe's fault that
Speaker 1: we haven't done this story. Yeah, that's true. A slacker.
Speaker 1: Now this one was. This one was a little too
Speaker 1: overwhelming and confusing. It's it's one of these ones where
Speaker 1: how it got it got its start and pretty soon
Speaker 1: like everything with the kitchen sink was in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why I have this handy dandy bullet point list
Speaker 1: of all the things that I think are hilarious attached
Speaker 1: to them. So what are we talking about. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about the mont Talk Project. Oh yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: of course it's it's sister project, the Philadelphia. Well we're
Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and gloss over the Philadelphia experiment today.
Speaker 1: But you know that it's connected. Apparently it's connected, well
Speaker 1: connect connected in that it exists in the same universe. Um,
Speaker 1: but I figured conoman and you know what this could explain.
Speaker 1: This is why it's your birthday gift, Steve is because
Speaker 1: it could actually explain every all of the fifty two
Speaker 1: stories we have thus far tackled. Yeah, anyways, I just
Speaker 1: figured we would gloss over the Philadelphia project, save it
Speaker 1: for a rainy day, alright, because it's too big for
Speaker 1: little old me to handle. It is kind of a
Speaker 1: big tangled mess. Yeah. The Montalk Project, I'm saying that right, right,
Speaker 1: is this um series of secret US government projects that
Speaker 1: were conducted at UM. I think I'm as far as
Speaker 1: I can tell, it's the same place. It's Camp Hero,
Speaker 1: which was renamed the Montauk Air Force Station, right, the
Speaker 1: Camp Hero became no, the other way around. I think
Speaker 1: that there was a Montak Air Force Station and then
Speaker 1: they donated the land to the county or something I
Speaker 1: thought to Nasau County, and then they turned it into
Speaker 1: they turned into a park, right. But Camp Hero was
Speaker 1: during the World Wars. It was an army base, and
Speaker 1: then it became an air Force base. Then they donated
Speaker 1: it to be a state park. Right, Okay, I'll buy that.
Speaker 1: It's in Montalk, Long Island. Apparently it existed for the
Speaker 1: purpose of developing psychological warfare techniques and exotic research in
Speaker 1: two time travel or Yeah, well, I was going to
Speaker 1: do I feel like that's psychological warfare kind of right.
Speaker 1: Or alternately, there was a stargate there and Nicola Tesla
Speaker 1: and some aliens probably made it entirely possible. I you know,
Speaker 1: I'm laughing at that, but we'll talk about it in
Speaker 1: a minute. Yes, yeah, does have a role in this
Speaker 1: m So I'm gonna tell you guys a little story
Speaker 1: hopp in the not so way back machine. We're not
Speaker 1: going to hop in the way back machine. We just
Speaker 1: took it out last week. We gotta Yeah, it's so.
Speaker 1: In nineteen forty five, American troops liberated France, Right, that's true.
Speaker 1: We know that that's not really a conspiracy. Apparently, at
Speaker 1: the same time, some troops discovered a train full of
Speaker 1: Nazi gold that was stopped in a tunnel. They notified
Speaker 1: the proper authorities, who arrived on the scene, took the gold,
Speaker 1: and then killed all the soldiers because dead men tell
Speaker 1: no tails and I couldn't. I couldn't. So were these
Speaker 1: the soldiers that discovered it? There were US soldiers or
Speaker 1: soldiers that were already on the train. It was Nazi
Speaker 1: soldiers that they killed. Oh, I understood it that it
Speaker 1: was a soldiers. Yeah, that's why I'm asking because I
Speaker 1: remember thinking I read that it was they killed all
Speaker 1: the Nazi soldiers. Well, I think they probably just killed everyone.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, if there were not these soldiers,
Speaker 1: certainly they killed them. But I'm given to understand they
Speaker 1: also killed the Allied soldiers. This is a release of
Speaker 1: call of duty, basically, is what you know? You're right here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta kill everybody in the tea bag them. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you know, the moral of the story is a
Speaker 1: kind of train load of gold. You just like hide
Speaker 1: it and don't tell anybody, you know, you not your
Speaker 1: national secret. Oh my, what's that national treasure? Yeah? You
Speaker 1: national treasure? Yeah, I'm on it. Okay. Also, at the
Speaker 1: same time, during the crumbling Reich, right, that's how you
Speaker 1: say that word, the third Reich, the third Reich. I
Speaker 1: just you know what, sometimes I can't say words. It's fine.
Speaker 1: We know this. Americans were helping German scientists flee the country,
Speaker 1: which we also recognize as probably being true or absolutely
Speaker 1: being true or I don't know how many we got
Speaker 1: out before the wars the end, but we certainly got
Speaker 1: grabbed a bunch of them after the world was over too.
Speaker 1: Can I can, I can I interrupt something. Fine, all right,
Speaker 1: because we're talking about this paper clip and we're talking
Speaker 1: about the Germans a little bit here, I'm guessing that
Speaker 1: some of the weird German experiments or why we took
Speaker 1: these guys. Yeah, So, did you guys see the article
Speaker 1: that's come out recently about Hitler and Himmler and the
Speaker 1: awesome stuff that they wanted to do making their own
Speaker 1: Jurassic Park. Know what? I didn't hear about that one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's so funny and evidently this is quote unquote
Speaker 1: true papers that have been discovered. Is that to help
Speaker 1: show that the German lineage had been there was always
Speaker 1: the strong people. What they were gonna do is they
Speaker 1: were gonna backwards engineer some it's a bull or some
Speaker 1: kind of cow that was seven feet tall that was
Speaker 1: from the dracks Jurassic period and release it into the
Speaker 1: wilds of Poland so that these strong men of the
Speaker 1: Reich could hunt them. Because that's right up there with
Speaker 1: the crazy stuff that we're going to talk about that
Speaker 1: these guys were in. I guess I feel like if
Speaker 1: I had a lot of money and was planning on
Speaker 1: taking over the world, I would probably build a Jurassic Park.
Speaker 1: I think they had a real Jurassic I think they
Speaker 1: probably should. We saw how well that worked in film
Speaker 1: number one through four. Well, obviously we wouldn't dummies' realistic. Anyways,
Speaker 1: back to our story. Sorry, sorry, operational opera and lots
Speaker 1: of these scientists were brought back to America and teamed
Speaker 1: up with scientists who worked on the Philadelphia experiment. Given
Speaker 1: the Nazi gold that we were just talking about, why
Speaker 1: were they give the Nazi go and and a research
Speaker 1: facility that was built underground and that became the Montalk Project,
Speaker 1: building a twelve story underground complex. Maybe yeah, we'll talk
Speaker 1: about but they built under there in a minute, because
Speaker 1: it turns out apparently the government, though they have given
Speaker 1: all of the land to the Forest Service, they still
Speaker 1: own the land below the radar unit that sits on
Speaker 1: top of the Montalk Project. Yeah, apparently that's that's true.
Speaker 1: But they I think what that meant really is that
Speaker 1: they kept the mineral rights just in case, you know,
Speaker 1: gold was discovered or something like that. And I'm not
Speaker 1: talking Nazi gold. Gold were discovered, Yeah, but why did
Speaker 1: they give them the Nazi gold to pay them in
Speaker 1: to fund their research? But why didn't they just like
Speaker 1: get some money from the treasury. Well, because there was
Speaker 1: this Nazi gold. I mean you have gold, well, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean I think you have to launder
Speaker 1: it somehow. You can't just like go to the bank
Speaker 1: and say, hey, here's all this Nazi gold. We're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna keep it melted down. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: you probably could. You are the US government. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's a good question. Um, I don't have a good answer. Sorry.
Speaker 1: I can keep making things up if you want. We'll
Speaker 1: move on. Okay. The base is all the way at
Speaker 1: the end of this island, the east end of Yeah.
Speaker 1: For people who live on Long Island, you follow Route seven.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. It's a it's a point.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a spit of land. It's kind of yeah.
Speaker 1: If you if you look at Google Maps, like the
Speaker 1: highway goes out on the south side of the island
Speaker 1: and then Montak Point is like there's just like this
Speaker 1: little blob that's the very very end. That's why. Then
Speaker 1: it narrows down to this very narrow, skinny little passageway
Speaker 1: widens out again and that's where Camp Hero and all
Speaker 1: that other stuff is yeah. So, um, in World War
Speaker 1: Two it was called Camp hero H and it was
Speaker 1: used for coastal defense, had like really big guns. Well
Speaker 1: it's got the big radar station on it. Well, now
Speaker 1: did they have guns? They had large guns and bunkers.
Speaker 1: And then that was the Army gave the base to
Speaker 1: the Air Force and it became known as the Montalk
Speaker 1: Air Force Station and they built this big radar if
Speaker 1: you google Montalk project, and actually we'll put up some
Speaker 1: pictures on the website too. That huge radar thing is
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. Apparently it was used as an
Speaker 1: actual radar station in the Cold War. And what kind
Speaker 1: of do you remember what kind of radar it is?
Speaker 1: It starts with an S. I thought it was an
Speaker 1: age or something like that, remember, Yeah, I mean it was.
Speaker 1: It was. It was a technology that as soon as
Speaker 1: they built it was at a date it was no
Speaker 1: longer worth anything. It was like, I was a chance
Speaker 1: to go on board an old fifties era submarine that
Speaker 1: was called the Sailfish and it was built as a
Speaker 1: radar picket boat. Because their radars weren't small enough to
Speaker 1: put on planes. They could land on aircraft carriers, but
Speaker 1: the aircraft carriers needed greadar coverage, so they built a
Speaker 1: series of submarines that had these enormous sales and these
Speaker 1: retractable radar dishes and everything so they could be a
Speaker 1: distance out with their radars on, monitoring for incoming enemy
Speaker 1: planes and everything. And then before they even I don't
Speaker 1: think they even did much time in service, and then
Speaker 1: it became obsolete, and so what we do with this thing? Well,
Speaker 1: I guess we'll just turn it into a regular submarine
Speaker 1: with a really huge, huge sale on it for fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what they did then, because we can thrown it away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: according to the legend, I guess the base lost its
Speaker 1: funding in the nineteen sixties because the radar technology became obsolete.
Speaker 1: But apparently it was open until three because they were
Speaker 1: doing experiments, I guess. And as Joe previously stated, the
Speaker 1: it's a to New York State Park now, but the
Speaker 1: radar equipment is still intact in standing. You can actually
Speaker 1: see it on Google Earth. Yeah. Yeah, well, and people
Speaker 1: use it rather than the lighthouse. It's on Montauk Point.
Speaker 1: They use. The radar is kind of a daytime reference
Speaker 1: point because it's it's easier to see the lighthouse. It's big,
Speaker 1: it's really big. And you know, as I said before,
Speaker 1: the story is that they actually built bunkers below it,
Speaker 1: like built down um, and that the government retains the
Speaker 1: rights to that, whether it's actually not improved on there
Speaker 1: and it's minerals or what have you. Apparently the US
Speaker 1: government still owns whatever is below. So apparently if if
Speaker 1: in fact there is something below there, it's the base itself,
Speaker 1: and the radar was actually a cover up for what
Speaker 1: was below. Apparently there were as many as twelve stories deep.
Speaker 1: I don't know what do you call it when it's
Speaker 1: not levels levels deep. Some people say that it's like
Speaker 1: really really documented, that there's a subtranean city beneath the
Speaker 1: base that's still being used today by secret branches of
Speaker 1: the military. People say that the radar equipment was built
Speaker 1: as a cover up that the military could conduct experiments
Speaker 1: in time travel in mind control, and that the electronics
Speaker 1: equipment was a cover for that. People also say that
Speaker 1: there's a fifty foot tall pure titanium pyramid under there.
Speaker 1: So I guess we'll take what people say with a
Speaker 1: little bit of a grain of salt. A titanium pyramid.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was thinking like it would make
Speaker 1: more sense to say it was gold and then that's
Speaker 1: what they used, the Nazi gold pork. But a pretty
Speaker 1: big pyramid. Yeah, but I don't know why. Pure Titania
Speaker 1: because it conducts spacetime anti matter better radio. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: gotta say, if you're going to build a twelve level
Speaker 1: underground complex, that seems like a really inappropriate place to
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, it's pretty close to the water where
Speaker 1: the water table, pretty close to the surface there. It
Speaker 1: seems like there's a lot easier places to build. It's conceivable,
Speaker 1: But I think they'd go like hollow Watter Mountain or
Speaker 1: something like that, or maybe pick a dormant volcano and
Speaker 1: build their layer in there. Maybe they needed the seawater.
Speaker 1: Good point. I want to point something out too. I'm
Speaker 1: ashamed of all all the people out there that have
Speaker 1: gone over this story so many times. We're not noticing
Speaker 1: this obvious thing. But only twenty miles away to the
Speaker 1: north northwest is Grout in Connecticut, home almost US submarine base,
Speaker 1: and it's entirely possible they were smuggling Nazi gold, scientists
Speaker 1: and everything else via submarine across the Long Island Sound
Speaker 1: to a secret subterranean submarine base underneath the complex that
Speaker 1: I see it. Yeah, I get it. Actually, that's a
Speaker 1: really breakthrough theory. That's a really good theory. Absolutely totally.
Speaker 1: That's because when you think about it, why would they
Speaker 1: pick this particular spots such in such a populous area
Speaker 1: for the area it's fairly it's as somewhat deserted, but
Speaker 1: it's such a populous area, you know why they wanted
Speaker 1: to go out somewhere in New Mexico in the middle
Speaker 1: of the desert somewhere. Well, think about what's twenty miles away.
Speaker 1: Submarine base. I know it makes no sense. No, actually,
Speaker 1: I mean it makes more sense than a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff we're gonna talk about tonight, when you're talking about
Speaker 1: twelve level underground complexes. I think a secret subterranean submarine
Speaker 1: the base is kind of kind of a necessary thing.
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of cool. Yeah, I agree. Interesting.
Speaker 1: So here's the story, kind of I'm sorry, here's the theory,
Speaker 1: the kind of overarching theory or what happened here or
Speaker 1: what was happening here? I don't know. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of these. This is the one that I like. The most.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a lot here with your favorite
Speaker 1: and then just trail down from there. I mean, the
Speaker 1: rest of them are just kind of like weird assertions,
Speaker 1: like nobody has gone spent very much time to kind
Speaker 1: of give anecdotal evidence or anything like that. Then well, okay,
Speaker 1: this one is too, but there's this anecdotal evidence that
Speaker 1: whereas the other ones I can bull up point down.
Speaker 1: That makes sense. Okay, So honor about August twelfth three,
Speaker 1: all credible stories start with honor about just throw that
Speaker 1: out there. A porthole in time quote unquote was created
Speaker 1: which allowed researchers to travel anywhere in space or time.
Speaker 1: This was developed into a stable quote time tunnel because
Speaker 1: of this to a single point in the past. Well, no,
Speaker 1: they could kind of control it. Maybe it's unclear. There
Speaker 1: are two kind of variations on what happened specifically because
Speaker 1: of this in the first instance, Uh, they both kind
Speaker 1: of have the same thing to kind of have. Well,
Speaker 1: well let's just start talking about this, okay. Um, so
Speaker 1: because of this time tunnel was just a really long tunnel.
Speaker 1: Did you need like a golf cart? Because of this
Speaker 1: time tunnel, either the Time Travel Project at Montauk interlocked
Speaker 1: in hyperspace with the original Philadelphia experiment in nineteen forty three.
Speaker 1: The story tends to go thus, like the USS Aldridge
Speaker 1: that was in the Philadelphia experiment, I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was drawn into hyperspace and trapped there. Two men
Speaker 1: Alt how do you say his name? Black and Duncan
Speaker 1: Cameron both claimed to have leaped from the deck of
Speaker 1: the USS All Eldredge while it was in hyperspace and
Speaker 1: ended up after a period of severe disorientation at Camp
Speaker 1: Hero in the year three. At the mont Talk project,
Speaker 1: they claimed to have John von Newman. That's how you
Speaker 1: would say that, right, That's how I say that. He's
Speaker 1: a physicist and mathematician. Um. He died in nineteen fifty seven. Three.
Speaker 1: Just calm down. He apparently, that scientist Von Newman Um
Speaker 1: also was apparently connected to the Philadelphia experiment. So the
Speaker 1: claim is that they actually in Montalk the time tunnel
Speaker 1: opened up into the Philadelphia experiment. Maybe Apparently. The origin
Speaker 1: of the Montalk project dates also to nineteen forty three,
Speaker 1: when radar invisibility was being researched aboard the U S S. Eldredge.
Speaker 1: I don't know it's kind of this modgepodge of story
Speaker 1: that I can't totally tell. Here's the easy way to
Speaker 1: think about the Philadelphia experiment. They wanted to figure out
Speaker 1: how to make a ship invisible the radar. They did
Speaker 1: some cookie science, and some kids in a van got involved. Okay,
Speaker 1: now that parts out real, But they accidentally made the
Speaker 1: ship disappear for a couple of moments. It completely went
Speaker 1: invisible to the naked eye and radar, It traveled through time,
Speaker 1: and then it zipped back to where it came from,
Speaker 1: and people were dead because they had fused with the
Speaker 1: ship or were completely loony. Yeah, mentally, that's the simple
Speaker 1: cliff notes version of the Philadelphia experience. Sure, so apparently
Speaker 1: where the ship ended up was the Montalk project apparently,
Speaker 1: so that would that would explain a lot. Though. So
Speaker 1: when it disappears, that's because the Montalk thing is causing
Speaker 1: it to go like that. And I can't decide if
Speaker 1: they if the theory is that the Philadelphia Experiment caused
Speaker 1: the time tunnel opening, or if the mont Talk experiment
Speaker 1: caused the uss Aldredge to disappear, But somehow they made
Speaker 1: it up that forty year bridge. Yeah, apparently and then
Speaker 1: was his name? Jumped off the ship and wound up
Speaker 1: in Montalk? Yeah, what's his name? Alan Duncan and Duncan
Speaker 1: Cameron And I can't tell you guys said that you
Speaker 1: watched some interviews with him? Is that try? I listened
Speaker 1: to part of an interview with alb Be Like, is
Speaker 1: that how we're saying his name? Be? Like? Okay? And
Speaker 1: I couldn't totally tell if he claimed to have been
Speaker 1: part of the Philadelphia experiment in nine three. He did.
Speaker 1: It's really weird. He claims he was. He was on
Speaker 1: that ship in forty three, and then he jumped off
Speaker 1: in Montalk and he well, he jumped off while it
Speaker 1: was traveling through hyperspace, so he looked at his buddy,
Speaker 1: Richard Dean Anderson said I'm out of here, and jumped
Speaker 1: out while he was in the wormhole, and he traveled
Speaker 1: in time. He says he ended up in the year
Speaker 1: twenty three hundred in something and was there for a while,
Speaker 1: and then he ended up in the year twenty eight
Speaker 1: hundred and something and lived there for a while, both
Speaker 1: times having no recollection of who he was at first,
Speaker 1: and then eventually figuring it out, and then somehow traveling
Speaker 1: back in time and ending up in and then when
Speaker 1: he was he lived there for a while. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was a tour guide. Was a tour guy. He
Speaker 1: was a tour guide because they had cities that were
Speaker 1: twenty two or twenty three hundred stories tall, and they
Speaker 1: had anti gravity technology, and they had computers that ran
Speaker 1: the government, and as he said, they were a socialist society.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of weird stuff in in his stuff.
Speaker 1: Anybody wants to listen to it. There's a bunch of
Speaker 1: his interviews online. I didn't listen to all of them,
Speaker 1: but it's about three hours of interviews. There's a couple
Speaker 1: of them that are kind of compiled really a three
Speaker 1: hour video that you can just listen to, and it's
Speaker 1: all most of it's just audio. But I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say that he's a kuk or a loot or anything
Speaker 1: like that. But he makes some pretty fantastic claims, and
Speaker 1: most of his stories are really really simple. Like he says, well,
Speaker 1: then they had train systems, except their train cars were
Speaker 1: wider than ours. It's a train, okay, Well, what's so
Speaker 1: futuristic about a train? It's some weird stuff, like very
Speaker 1: like very simple I almost wonder if he, you know,
Speaker 1: accidentally did LSD or something. Yeah. The thing about it
Speaker 1: is is like, and this is why you know he's
Speaker 1: full of he's full of it. It's because he traveled
Speaker 1: to the future. And I think about this. I mean,
Speaker 1: if somebody from say two d years ago transports to
Speaker 1: our time, he would see things that would be that
Speaker 1: would have been inconceivable in his time. Not just he
Speaker 1: wouldn't have just seen things that would have been an improvement.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't have seen, you know, a donkey on steroids
Speaker 1: and a sup turpo charge steam locomotive. He would see
Speaker 1: things like airplanes and iPads and the Internet. He would
Speaker 1: see stuff that his society could not have conceived of.
Speaker 1: Probably like and all of his stories, not a single
Speaker 1: thing that he saw so many centuries in the future,
Speaker 1: not a single thing that he saw, is something that
Speaker 1: doesn't already exist in our society today, which tells us
Speaker 1: that either all human creativity basically disappeared about you know
Speaker 1: about right about now, or that you know, the guy
Speaker 1: is just basically full of it. Well, and he also
Speaker 1: he also makes the jump that the human world population
Speaker 1: was kind of decimated at some point in the near
Speaker 1: future and some war and that seems like the sort
Speaker 1: of thing you would get some serious details on. Well,
Speaker 1: and do you remember the Georgia guidestones. He talks about
Speaker 1: the New World Order and that at the year hundred
Speaker 1: the planet was at what was it, uh, five hundred
Speaker 1: thousand or five hundred million, five million people? They were
Speaker 1: keeping the population right around that number. So it's when
Speaker 1: did he do these interviews? Uh? There several years ago?
Speaker 1: It was really hard. I thought I thought it was
Speaker 1: from two thousands. Yeah, he is something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So his interview was I mean, he was talking about
Speaker 1: the Internet, and it was strange because I swore at
Speaker 1: her in the Internet. At one point they said two
Speaker 1: thousand twelve, but then that he would start talking about
Speaker 1: the early two thousand. So I couldn't tell exactly when
Speaker 1: the interview I listened to was, but it just was very,
Speaker 1: very close to what modern technology was. And I agree
Speaker 1: with Joe. They weren't revelations. They weren't amazing, you know,
Speaker 1: Oh they had they had a sidewalk where you stood
Speaker 1: on it and just jetted you around town, like the
Speaker 1: thing at the airport, and like the thing that Isaac
Speaker 1: asked them. I was writing had in some of his
Speaker 1: robot novels, and he wrote in the nineteen sixties, do
Speaker 1: you remember who is? I borrowed the Ring World series
Speaker 1: from you, Larry Niven, And if anybody hasn't read Ring
Speaker 1: World or Larry Niven there they're good books, their sci fi,
Speaker 1: but they were written before a lot of technology came out.
Speaker 1: And so the technology that he forecasted was very simple advances.
Speaker 1: And that's what this guy was talking about was things
Speaker 1: that were very simple advances. But they were six hundred,
Speaker 1: eight hundred years in the futures. The world is only
Speaker 1: fillion people, And why do you need cities that are
Speaker 1: like stories tall? Well, they were. They had anti gravity
Speaker 1: and they could just float all over the planet, live
Speaker 1: where they wanted. And so you know what, this week
Speaker 1: we're in Rio, next week we're in the Antarctica. I
Speaker 1: don't know they have ships like that you can live on.
Speaker 1: They do? They do? So okay, the sidebar, I guess,
Speaker 1: well we've gone off. I think we have so either
Speaker 1: this whole like fusion with Philadelphia Project or Aliens. I
Speaker 1: guess they're not mutually exclusive. They could have both happened,
Speaker 1: but Aliens apparently there was some some contact with aliens
Speaker 1: that happened at the Montalk project through this time tunnel,
Speaker 1: the stable time tunnel, there were some underground tunnels with
Speaker 1: abandoned cultural archives that were explored on Mars using the
Speaker 1: technique where apparently some kind of Martians had once lived
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of years earlier, and there was contact
Speaker 1: made with the aliens through the time tunnel. I guess
Speaker 1: that gave them some kind of advanced technologies to enhance
Speaker 1: them Ontalk project so that they were able to actually
Speaker 1: do the initial time tunnel without alien technology, I guess,
Speaker 1: and then they somehow the time tunnel also opened into
Speaker 1: a space tunnel. All that also took us to Mars.
Speaker 1: I think it's one thing for me to make the
Speaker 1: leap of hey, this this time tunnel opened up and
Speaker 1: it it opened up to someplace that's like pretty close,
Speaker 1: just like you know, forty years ago or whatever. It's
Speaker 1: another to say, hey, this time tunnel opened up and
Speaker 1: it opened up five thousand years in the future on Mars.
Speaker 1: I don't I mean, I don't know how those things work,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't know. I mean, you know, that's
Speaker 1: the thing about it is, it's like the universe is
Speaker 1: a huge place, and and actually inhabitable places that exists
Speaker 1: are an infinites only small. Yeah. Yeah, so it goes
Speaker 1: out to a random place, it's probably just going to
Speaker 1: be empty space, or the inside of a planet, or
Speaker 1: the inside of a star. Yeah. Those all seem like
Speaker 1: really dangerous things to right you. Every time you hear
Speaker 1: about a time tunnel opening up, it happens to be
Speaker 1: in a place that isn't the vacuum of space that
Speaker 1: sucks the entire world through this into a black hole, right,
Speaker 1: I'm and that seems rather convenient to me. Well, they
Speaker 1: did that on Stargate once they that's true, they had
Speaker 1: to frantically shut down the stargate. But they happened on Stargate, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm going to go back to Stargate
Speaker 1: every time you say time tunnel because it sounds like it.
Speaker 1: So they just they were just like channel surfing and
Speaker 1: they came to the Yeah. Yeah, they went to this
Speaker 1: planet and it had the ring, and that planet was
Speaker 1: being sucked into a black hole. And the guys that
Speaker 1: went out there, we're all being spaghettification. Is that what
Speaker 1: it's called when you get sucked into a black hole?
Speaker 1: Because you're you're stretched out and and time slows down,
Speaker 1: and so they were they were watching everybody slow down
Speaker 1: and being spaghettified. They had to quickly shut it down
Speaker 1: so the ground he didn't suck the world through the Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: get to the gate. Ye sorry, I'm just I'm just
Speaker 1: telling you right now. I'm going to do that every
Speaker 1: time I can. Apparently this allowed a broader access to
Speaker 1: hyperspace and also developed allowed a language of hyperspace to
Speaker 1: be developed. I just don't even that kind of like
Speaker 1: esperanto or is that like a mathematical language. It's unclear.
Speaker 1: I have to be honest, it may be a language
Speaker 1: of mathematics. I did not try to look it up.
Speaker 1: I want to be honest with you. I don't know
Speaker 1: that we could actually. So there's some other stuff that's
Speaker 1: really interesting, and this is kind of my bullet point list.
Speaker 1: The first interesting fact connected to the Montalk Project other
Speaker 1: than the ones that we've already talked about, are that
Speaker 1: apparently Nikola Tesla faked his death in a conspiracy and
Speaker 1: was the chief director of operations at the Montalk Project
Speaker 1: UM and was through I guess through the eighties, which
Speaker 1: would make him like a hundred and twenty something like
Speaker 1: that years old, So that seems really true. But he
Speaker 1: was he was when he died, if he was in
Speaker 1: his eighties, like his early you know, I've seen pictures
Speaker 1: of not long before his death, and he didn't look
Speaker 1: that hot. He didn't look so good. No, he did not,
Speaker 1: And reportedly he was getting a little bit flaking the
Speaker 1: head in his old age, as most of us do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: especially when you play with electricity as much as he. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so so I'm not sure it would have been much
Speaker 1: used to the project. However, happy I would be that
Speaker 1: Nikola Tesla was still alive today. Yeah, I would be
Speaker 1: so happy. Well, haven't you watched Sanctuary? He's a vampire.
Speaker 1: He's totally alive. You've never seen that show. Oh, I'm
Speaker 1: totally going off on random TV shows? State, aren't I?
Speaker 1: The Sanctuary ran for like three years, but Nicola Tesla
Speaker 1: was was a vampire. I guess I'll go watch that. Then.
Speaker 1: It's pretty he's a super smart guy. Yeah, Thomas Edison
Speaker 1: is another vampire. That'd be great. No, Edison was a vampire.
Speaker 1: He was just a jerk. Yeah, he really was. Okay,
Speaker 1: next little tidbit of conspiracy there are reports from the
Speaker 1: nineteenth eve means that nineteen seventies, excuse me, that surveillance
Speaker 1: showed quote, the formation of a large bubble of time
Speaker 1: space centered upon the site unquote, which is apparently proof
Speaker 1: of the time tunnel. Apparently there was pictorial proof of that,
Speaker 1: which conveniently was burgled from the only person who had it,
Speaker 1: which seems like a normal thing for satellite surveillance. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that that guy was Remember that that guy, I can't
Speaker 1: remember his name now, but he was a reporter, right, No, no,
Speaker 1: he was, he was. He was a Russian. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a defector from Russia. He was interviewed by a reporter.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, yeah, yeah, and he had he had access
Speaker 1: to satellite surveillance and he was like Russian and South American.
Speaker 1: He was so weird combination Spanish, Russian, something like that.
Speaker 1: And as soon as he spilled the beans, then they
Speaker 1: broke into his apartment only stole the papers. I know
Speaker 1: now that could have like mess the place up and
Speaker 1: stole his TV too, just to cover up. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I seriously would like to know from why would you
Speaker 1: steal the TV? You know how TV? Yeah, they were
Speaker 1: only about this anyway, the I really want to know
Speaker 1: what a bubble of space time looks like. I would
Speaker 1: like to know that too, because yeah, how how does
Speaker 1: it look at a different from the spacetime that we
Speaker 1: exist in right now? I don't know. Maybe it bows out,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe everything looks super spaghettified. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that I can't answer. I have not seen that on
Speaker 1: TV yet. Yeah. Apparently, also at the mont Talk Project,
Speaker 1: people had their psychic abilities enhanced already amazing theory that
Speaker 1: allowed them to materialize objects that would of thin air.
Speaker 1: They could just think a thing into existence. I guess
Speaker 1: they couldn't all do that, but some of them, my guys,
Speaker 1: were so so incredibly advanced and powerful that they could actually,
Speaker 1: like and one of them, one of them, like like
Speaker 1: materialize a big foot out of air, and it went
Speaker 1: berserker and started destroyed, destroyed like re levels and they
Speaker 1: had to be Yeah, did you hear the theory of
Speaker 1: why the YETI was was created or was brought in? Oh?
Speaker 1: This is this is this is way down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely I can't remember the name of the guy
Speaker 1: that supposedly was had his psychic abilities enhanced, And of
Speaker 1: course by having those abilities enhanced, he had other issues
Speaker 1: like emotional issues created. But he and some other people
Speaker 1: at that time, I think it was in the eighties.
Speaker 1: They said because it shut down on eight three. Right
Speaker 1: said that they realized that the project had gotten out
Speaker 1: of control, and so what they did is to shut
Speaker 1: it down. When he was in they had a mind
Speaker 1: chair where there it was an alien chair, which is
Speaker 1: also a stargate phenomena. He sat at it and he
Speaker 1: thought of the worst monster he could and he thought
Speaker 1: of a seven foot yetti. Went went through and rampage
Speaker 1: through the complex and rip the place asunder, doing so
Speaker 1: much damage that the project had to be shut down,
Speaker 1: and they saved our timeline. I um. I was kind
Speaker 1: of hoping that you were going to tell me. It's
Speaker 1: like from Ghostbusters with the Marsha with the stuff Marshall
Speaker 1: Man where they were like, okay, think of anything you want,
Speaker 1: and he's like, don't think of a yettie, don't think
Speaker 1: of a yetti. Don't think of a YETI crap, I
Speaker 1: thought of a yetti. That was my hope. Apparently, also
Speaker 1: at the Montalk project they put microchips embedded them in
Speaker 1: the workers brains to control the people who worked there,
Speaker 1: or to make them forget that they worked there or
Speaker 1: totally make sense whatever. Also apparently, um, the Montalk Project
Speaker 1: is where they train the Men in Black two quote
Speaker 1: Yeah it might be. So that's that's another part of it,
Speaker 1: right They apparently the Men in Black were developed to
Speaker 1: quote confuse and frighten the public. Also the Montalk Project
Speaker 1: where they staged the moon landing, or possibly they tunneled
Speaker 1: to the future with their time tunnel to get technology
Speaker 1: from the aliens, or they tunneled to a time when
Speaker 1: people could go to the Moon and just then wait, wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: this is I've seen most of these these things here.
Speaker 1: But you're telling me that the Montalk Project is responsible
Speaker 1: for either a making the Moon landing or re faking it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: both of those possibilities. Yeah, yeah, that that potentially they
Speaker 1: faked it there, right, they staged it there, or this
Speaker 1: time tunnel existed and they got the alien technology that
Speaker 1: that enabled them to actually go to the Moon. But
Speaker 1: either way, it wasn't just like United States ingenuity that
Speaker 1: let us go to the The thing about it is
Speaker 1: is there's no evidence of any alien technology and the
Speaker 1: Apollo program, I mean, are you kidding me, Crown. Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: you win, ok yeah, there's no need for alien technology there.
Speaker 1: I like the Civil War one. Yeah, apparently. Also some
Speaker 1: of the things that one of the things they did
Speaker 1: with this time tunnel was they went back because apparently
Speaker 1: the first time we did the Civil War it went
Speaker 1: the wrong way. So they fixed the outcome of the
Speaker 1: Civil War. So the South one the world was so
Speaker 1: terrible that the Confederate is at the South. The Confederacy's
Speaker 1: version realized it was terrible, made their own Montauk project
Speaker 1: to send people back to make sure the Confederacy lost
Speaker 1: the second time around. I guess I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe it was people who were, you know,
Speaker 1: like still fighting for the North. Who I mean, not still,
Speaker 1: but you know, there are people who still think that
Speaker 1: the Confederacy should have won right in two thousand fourteen.
Speaker 1: So maybe it was the you know, the obviously the
Speaker 1: smarter people. I was gonna say, because most of the
Speaker 1: people who think that they fly the flag, they drive
Speaker 1: the truck, they drink the beer, and once a year
Speaker 1: they go to the re enactment. They don't build quantum
Speaker 1: machines in their garage. I have a lot of choice
Speaker 1: derogatory things to say. I mean it, it wouldn't be
Speaker 1: the Southerners at the south and one right, But that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is that the Northerners would have then
Speaker 1: they would have said, wow, this turned out bad. Let's
Speaker 1: create a lot of really advanced technology and go back
Speaker 1: and fix it. But the thing about instead of flying
Speaker 1: the flag and going to the re enactment once a year,
Speaker 1: you know, But to think about it is is that
Speaker 1: if the US had split, well, there's a couple of
Speaker 1: different outcomes. One is that things might have turned out
Speaker 1: better or just perfectly. Okay, the South would go do
Speaker 1: their thing, we do our thing, and so you know,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be seen we see it from the perspective
Speaker 1: as of us now as the South winning is being
Speaker 1: a hideous thing. But maybe as far as the north
Speaker 1: it goes people living in the North, it would have been.
Speaker 1: And so the only thing is slavery. Let's throw that
Speaker 1: out there. Slavery, I mean, slavery was going to go
Speaker 1: the way of the Dodo. Industrialization did away with slavery anyway.
Speaker 1: I mean, it would have gone. He's got a point,
Speaker 1: that's true. Yes, slavery would no longer be existing in
Speaker 1: the twentieth century. On the other other hand, you know
Speaker 1: that the United States, if it were split up, might
Speaker 1: not have ever become a real world power and might
Speaker 1: not have even participated in World War Two. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's a big question all these unnable noble
Speaker 1: things are It's true. Um so more things that happened
Speaker 1: at the Montalk Project. Um, the Jersey Devil was created there.
Speaker 1: We haven't tackled the Jersey devil. What is the Jersey Devil?
Speaker 1: Is the good question? Yeah, and that's I mean the
Speaker 1: question the devil. No, I mean the Jersey Devil is
Speaker 1: a cryptozoology creature, like a came era kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Well though, it could be a bigfoot, It could be
Speaker 1: something like a the Tasmanian devil. It could be a uh,
Speaker 1: could be a chupa cabra it, it could be a
Speaker 1: lot of things. Could be a bat man guy, could
Speaker 1: be a situation. This is the thing again. I'm sure
Speaker 1: we'll do a show on this, yea, we probably will. Also,
Speaker 1: apparently AIDS was manufactured here, because that's the thing. Steve
Speaker 1: is looking at me like I am the person who
Speaker 1: believes this theory, the idea that it was manufactured one.
Speaker 1: You know, if you really want a new hideous disease
Speaker 1: to come along, I gotta do this sort of sit back,
Speaker 1: drink a beer in a way for sub Saharan Africa
Speaker 1: to crank a new one out. I mean that's all
Speaker 1: there is to I mean, look AT's say, for example, ebola. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the problem right, okay, so the thing I okay,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I can't blue about to do this.
Speaker 1: But the thing is is that like ebola you catch
Speaker 1: as a rich person, just disease lose, you could catch
Speaker 1: as like a as a poor person. Right, I mean
Speaker 1: it's an airborne illness, right, it's a it's whatever. It's
Speaker 1: communicable in other ways other than like physically having a right.
Speaker 1: So the benefit of AIDS, right, Ostensibly, if you were
Speaker 1: going to manufacture something is that you would just say
Speaker 1: I will only have contact with people I no, do
Speaker 1: not have this, and then I will never get it.
Speaker 1: So I guess unless you got a blood transfusion or
Speaker 1: something like that, but they clean that stuff out. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: then because there might be some rare fraff, you might
Speaker 1: want to just letally know that I'm going to let
Speaker 1: that go. Yeah, you should Yeah, anyways, just as a so,
Speaker 1: I guess that's why, like last big one, the whole
Speaker 1: the whole thing is still standing. That's my last theory
Speaker 1: of things that happened there is the AIDS thing. Oh
Speaker 1: I thought it was your does the which was my
Speaker 1: favorite phrase of this is how we're just gonna know,
Speaker 1: We're just gonna let that, we're just going Yes. So
Speaker 1: the whole thing, the radar and the building that it's
Speaker 1: on top of, and ostensibly the fifty foot titanium pyramid
Speaker 1: below are still there, and the and that the soldiers with,
Speaker 1: So that that's exactly the segue, right, is that apparently
Speaker 1: this base is abandoned. It's just part of the State
Speaker 1: Park in New York. But ostensibly people say that civilians
Speaker 1: visiting the park or park are routinely threatened by armed
Speaker 1: government agents that are um ordering them to not venture
Speaker 1: into certain areas of the park. Apparently, electrical workers report
Speaker 1: having installed a power station capable of using giga watts
Speaker 1: of energy, like enough to power a city. And apparently
Speaker 1: every once in a while, strange lights or shapes are
Speaker 1: seen on the sky over head anywhere. And here's here's
Speaker 1: here's something that's weird. I wanted to kind of get
Speaker 1: an idea of what the place looked like today, So
Speaker 1: I went on Google Maps and checked it out, and
Speaker 1: I was looking at the street map, no big deal.
Speaker 1: And then I wanted to try and figure out where
Speaker 1: the satellite was or the radar dish, so I turned
Speaker 1: it onto satellite view, and then thought, well, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna pull a Joel and I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: cruise around the streets and check everything out. Except you
Speaker 1: can't because every time you come around a corner there's
Speaker 1: a couple of guys with eric no, no, no. You
Speaker 1: know how when you when you're in Google Maps today
Speaker 1: and you go and you what do they call the
Speaker 1: little guy that you drop on the map? Yeah? Whatever
Speaker 1: he is, he's got a name. I can't think of it. Whenever,
Speaker 1: whenever you get the map to come up to show
Speaker 1: where he'll go. All the roads around Camp Hero, they
Speaker 1: all stop on the street view at a pretty significant
Speaker 1: distance away from the main center of the installation. Is
Speaker 1: it the border of the state park? Like, is it
Speaker 1: not a well to go into the state park at all? Well?
Speaker 1: You can you go down a road? Because I did.
Speaker 1: I went to a number of them. You go down
Speaker 1: the road and then there's a gate and there's a
Speaker 1: giant sign which you can't read because of Google has
Speaker 1: fuzzed it out. But there's there's a gate, and then
Speaker 1: I mean there's a number of smaller roads that look
Speaker 1: like they feed in off of the edges, and I
Speaker 1: went over to those, and every one of them it's
Speaker 1: the same thing the Google truck stopped. It seems like
Speaker 1: these gates, if it's a park, would be open to
Speaker 1: drive down at some point, but Google never managed to
Speaker 1: get in there. And every time they, i mean, they
Speaker 1: fuzz out everything that is on there. You know how
Speaker 1: you when you're in the street view, it does the
Speaker 1: little window where you can zoom in on stuff. Like
Speaker 1: let's say you're looking at a house and you want
Speaker 1: to zoom on the house. When you look at that
Speaker 1: entire area, that little zoom window is gone in the
Speaker 1: street view. It's not until you do a one eighty
Speaker 1: and you're looking away that it comes back. So it's
Speaker 1: a little weird that you can't even zoom into any
Speaker 1: of it, which would add a little creedence this theory
Speaker 1: of well, maybe something still going on. Yeah, but think
Speaker 1: about it. Is is um. If they've still got stuff
Speaker 1: going on, then why go to the hassle of having
Speaker 1: you know, like like guys sneaking around the woods with
Speaker 1: guns when you can just keep it in your own possession,
Speaker 1: not turn it over to the public, not have the
Speaker 1: public walking around, and still have your fences and armed
Speaker 1: guards saying, hey, military base, you can't come in, and
Speaker 1: there's nothing suspicious about that, but you have to keep
Speaker 1: You've got to do some kind of upkeep. And if
Speaker 1: you give it to the state and say the state,
Speaker 1: this is your park, you've got to maintain it. But
Speaker 1: by the way, keep your little cretans out of this area,
Speaker 1: and we'll just have a little contingent walking around patrolling
Speaker 1: it to keep people away, because you know, people get
Speaker 1: on foot and they wander around. They have no idea,
Speaker 1: so they just they're they're scurrying all they're making sure
Speaker 1: everybody scurries away from it. I guess my other thing
Speaker 1: for the keeping a base would be exactly what you're
Speaker 1: saying earlier with the populated area thing, where I think
Speaker 1: you know, when they initially made camp hero Long Island
Speaker 1: was not nearly as populated as as it is now,
Speaker 1: So keeping something secret and operational as a publicized air
Speaker 1: Force base is much harder. It would be like trying
Speaker 1: to do something on the Air Force Base or I
Speaker 1: guess it's the Air Force Reserve or whatever. That's you know,
Speaker 1: down by the Portland Airport. You drive right past it
Speaker 1: and it's kind of a secluded area. But if there
Speaker 1: was weird stuff going on, people would know, just because
Speaker 1: people kind of live around. So I got you know,
Speaker 1: I guess there's some kind of I see both arguments that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I still think if you're that paramoid about secrecy, just
Speaker 1: move out to the desert somewhere out west. But that's
Speaker 1: the problem is that there's all kinds of installations that
Speaker 1: were out in the middle of nowhere. We're built up,
Speaker 1: you know about the here in Portland. Out on the east,
Speaker 1: there's in Beaverton or west side in Beaverton. There's the
Speaker 1: monkey Farm. You know about the monkey farm. There's the
Speaker 1: monkey Farm. There's this place that is a primate facility,
Speaker 1: and it is in the middle of Beaverton, which folks
Speaker 1: who aren't from here don't know, is a very populated,
Speaker 1: very urbanized area, and there's a lot of people driving
Speaker 1: around and living in that area, and I worked on
Speaker 1: a campus that was directly next to I mean property
Speaker 1: lines intersected, and I'd be in the parking lot and
Speaker 1: you could hear the monkeys. Its facility. I don't think
Speaker 1: it is. It might be, but the point is they
Speaker 1: built that thing a long time ago and kept adding
Speaker 1: onto it. If they sunk a lot of money into
Speaker 1: infrastructure to build this facility and they want it, let's
Speaker 1: just say they're doing nefarious things because we would hear
Speaker 1: monkeys yelling all the time, and then they're doing strange
Speaker 1: things there. Well, you can't just pick that all up
Speaker 1: and move because that's really expensive. So instead you just
Speaker 1: say it's one thing while you do another. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can do that. But at the time they started this facility,
Speaker 1: I mean I mean New York and like just just
Speaker 1: north of there is Connecticut, another very populous place. It
Speaker 1: was already very very densely populated, you know, back in
Speaker 1: the forties. Yeah, whenever they started, so I mean, they
Speaker 1: didn't have to invest a diamond it. They could have
Speaker 1: just gone somewhere else. But it was also I remember
Speaker 1: in reading they went there because he was right on
Speaker 1: the coast, so it was easy to bring everything in
Speaker 1: my boat loaded up and haul it however far you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of miles at the most, onto the camp.
Speaker 1: And so it's easy. Secret submarine. Yeah, your secret submarine.
Speaker 1: Because frankly, I've I've looked the island over that end
Speaker 1: of the island over fairly carefully, and I saw nothing
Speaker 1: resembling wharves or dogs or anything like. So it's gonna
Speaker 1: have to be the secret. I'm on board with that.
Speaker 1: So that's the story of the month. This is this
Speaker 1: is when we're actually gonna have to postpone solving this one.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we have at least several listeners in New
Speaker 1: York and so do not suggest something that is going
Speaker 1: to get people arrested. Joe, look at the well, if
Speaker 1: this is all true, it's not going to get him arrested.
Speaker 1: It's going to get them shot. So get your asses
Speaker 1: out there. Takes if you can, if you rent, rent
Speaker 1: like rent like one of those little Caboda things, you know,
Speaker 1: those diggers, you know, and like those little those little
Speaker 1: earth mover things, and just do some digging out you
Speaker 1: know what is actually a really huge fine digging up
Speaker 1: state parks. Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, pretty illegal, even just
Speaker 1: like just digging in a state park. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's one thing. If like there is a secret base there,
Speaker 1: it's a nut. I mean, even if there's not, it's
Speaker 1: a pretty hepty fine. I would rather I would rather
Speaker 1: have a crew of Larper's dress up as as g
Speaker 1: One crew and go running through the park and see
Speaker 1: if they can blend in and get into the site.
Speaker 1: Then have them start digging up so that they if
Speaker 1: they can see, they can find the first level of
Speaker 1: the underground base. I want, I want, I just want
Speaker 1: to see what the signs say, the Google signs that
Speaker 1: are blurred out. I you know, I have a feeling
Speaker 1: it's nothing nefarious. I think it's probably innocuous. You can't
Speaker 1: drive past here, like no no ngicular traffic pass this point.
Speaker 1: It looks like a lot of texts on it probably
Speaker 1: says state park and here's a many many rules and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's probably a giant rules all of our state parks
Speaker 1: so like that, there's all kinds of sign in, tons
Speaker 1: of tons of rules of I just want to know.
Speaker 1: So what do you guys, what's your favorite thing that
Speaker 1: might have might have happened to favorite the favorite theory
Speaker 1: or what? Yeah, I guess I'm not willing to call
Speaker 1: these theories necessarily just like suppositions, things that might have
Speaker 1: happened there. What's your favorite thing that might have happened there?
Speaker 1: I really do the guys that could make things materializing.
Speaker 1: The guy makes the jetti pop out of nowhere and
Speaker 1: it tears the place apart. Pretty good. That's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I okay. Are we going for favorite for fun or
Speaker 1: favorite for believing? Well, let's do favorite for fun? Why not?
Speaker 1: Very rarely do favorite for fun for favorite for fun?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm Joe many to upend his It's okay.
Speaker 1: I I kind of like the theory that that Al
Speaker 1: and his buddy Mr Cameron had where they were lost
Speaker 1: in time, because it makes me think there's been a
Speaker 1: number of movies of military men from the forties who
Speaker 1: go into the freezer cooler and wake up in the eighties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And he's he's saying that. I think
Speaker 1: it's Al was saying that he had no recollection of
Speaker 1: ever working at the Montauk project, and then people who
Speaker 1: knew the project. I might be misremembering the person. It
Speaker 1: might not be Owl. I can't remember that there was
Speaker 1: somebody who said yeah, somebody who said they had no
Speaker 1: memory of working at Montalk, and then people who worked
Speaker 1: there were like, hey, totally righty nice, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know you until to the point that he got
Speaker 1: really upset, and then suddenly the memories started coming. That
Speaker 1: was the guy who said there were microchips in the brand?
Speaker 1: Is that who said that? I don't remember his name,
Speaker 1: but yeah, you see, I couldn't remember if it was
Speaker 1: him or the guy who could make things materialized. I
Speaker 1: think it was microchip dude. It might that might even
Speaker 1: be the same person, because you remember then you know,
Speaker 1: it's you're living a double life. It's pretty awesome on accident. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a neo situation that red pill
Speaker 1: and the blue pill or both. You know, you just
Speaker 1: took them both, so we're just going to mix them,
Speaker 1: see what happens, Just you know, have fun. I think
Speaker 1: it wouldn't it be a weird, weird way for the
Speaker 1: movies to go the matrix if he was like, um,
Speaker 1: I'll just take a both. I'll wake up inside the matrix,
Speaker 1: but forget everything I ever knew. What about the so
Speaker 1: much pill? Was it the red pill? Where he goes
Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole. Yes, so yeah, what if he's
Speaker 1: taken the blue pill, there's the end of the world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. The next hour and a half is him
Speaker 1: in his office just you know, it's like he's going
Speaker 1: about his business and he keeps running this, keeps running
Speaker 1: into what's his name, Morpheus, and keeps running into Morpheus,
Speaker 1: and Mors says, are you sure you sure you don't
Speaker 1: want to take the red pill? Dude? Why are you
Speaker 1: always trying to give me drugs? Are you trying to
Speaker 1: get me fired? I gotta take a pee test tomorrow.
Speaker 1: He's at the Starbucks to say. Morpheus sits down and say,
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Uh, that's a movie that needs to be made.
Speaker 1: I think this is awesome. I was just going to
Speaker 1: say that my favorite theory is Nikola Tesla, but I
Speaker 1: guess the X is more interesting. No, I like Tesla,
Speaker 1: like as the director of operations. There yet of stuff.
Speaker 1: I like the director. Yeah, the director of operations, Like
Speaker 1: that was that's a very specific like they weren't like, hey,
Speaker 1: he was in charge of the place. They're like this
Speaker 1: was his job title. It was director of operations, not
Speaker 1: not chief of operations, not CEO, right, not like CEO,
Speaker 1: not like commander in operations or whatever you call yeah,
Speaker 1: whatever you would do in the military. No, he was
Speaker 1: the director of operations. It's a very specific title it is,
Speaker 1: which makes me nope, operations which apparently facilities probably replies
Speaker 1: to write or reports to. But I guess you know,
Speaker 1: director of operations. That leads some credence, right, super plausible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest. Okay, I like the story. It's
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Can I now say what my
Speaker 1: big problem with this project? I guess it is. I
Speaker 1: think Joe, you might have mentioned this earlier, is this
Speaker 1: story is a prime, prime candidate for people to just
Speaker 1: chew on. And I think that this is yeah, and
Speaker 1: this is what this is. This is the hard part.
Speaker 1: It's like I kept reading it trying to find Okay,
Speaker 1: we're some credible stuff. What what can I try and
Speaker 1: track down it's really real instead of these fun anecdotal things.
Speaker 1: And it's like watching you know, it's it's cracks and glass.
Speaker 1: It just it just keeps spreading and you don't know
Speaker 1: where it's going. It's confusing, and I think I think
Speaker 1: for a lot of these stories, you don't know if
Speaker 1: it's somebody and maybe I've said this before. In fact,
Speaker 1: I'm sure I have. There's not people out there, people
Speaker 1: with an impi sense of humor on the internet who
Speaker 1: copy all this stuff over and then tack on a
Speaker 1: few things like, oh, let's have somebody materialized stuff out
Speaker 1: of thin air, you know, using this power of his mind,
Speaker 1: and then that gets copied over by other people and
Speaker 1: then well, there's a bunch of books that have been
Speaker 1: written on this place. I tried to track them down
Speaker 1: in my library, but unfortunately they don't stock them. Surprisingly,
Speaker 1: but I was really disappointed because I wanted to try
Speaker 1: and read some of this stuff to see where where
Speaker 1: what sources because uh Al, when I was listening to him,
Speaker 1: his sources were a friend in the government, a friend
Speaker 1: that I know, a friend in the military, which is
Speaker 1: just not a credible source, and it's really difficult to
Speaker 1: to get a good handle on. Yeah, so that's kind
Speaker 1: of why I attacked this story the way that I did,
Speaker 1: which is probably the best way to do with this
Speaker 1: whole Okay, there's this one kind of anecdotal thing that
Speaker 1: you can't I mean, there's no hard evidence for any
Speaker 1: of it, but at least there's some stories from it
Speaker 1: seems different points of view, and whether that's just like
Speaker 1: different people writing it or whatever, it seems that like
Speaker 1: at least people are lying who substantiate the evidence or
Speaker 1: the anecdotal evidence versus like one dude says, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: Aids was there, right, one dude says, oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: men in black trained there. You know. I think that,
Speaker 1: so I wanted to kind of focus on this stuff
Speaker 1: that actually has at least a little substance to it,
Speaker 1: even if it's not good science or good evidence. I
Speaker 1: don't think any of this stuff has any substance. I
Speaker 1: think that they're there have There has got to be
Speaker 1: truth in some of this. I'm not saying what it is.
Speaker 1: So let's say the people who got chased off by
Speaker 1: men with guns, they were probably trespassing at night and
Speaker 1: a park ranger came out and yelled at him and
Speaker 1: they maybe we're a little inebriated or something, and they
Speaker 1: saw he had a gun on his hip because he's
Speaker 1: a ranger and they carry guns. A dude in a
Speaker 1: gun in the dark chase just off. Like, I think
Speaker 1: that that's how some of this starts. But really that's
Speaker 1: my heart that's my biggest struggle is I think that
Speaker 1: there's something here. I just can't pinpoint it because there's
Speaker 1: just so much fluff around it, right, And I guess
Speaker 1: that's the big question for me that I'm left wanting
Speaker 1: is like, why did the government build this radar facility
Speaker 1: that was like obviously about to be obsolete, right, I
Speaker 1: mean they basically they built it and it was obsolete.
Speaker 1: Why why even spend all this money at this site
Speaker 1: to do this? Well, no, you gotta remember that a
Speaker 1: there in the middle of the war. Be they move
Speaker 1: slow and technology is cutting edge today, but it takes
Speaker 1: us a year and a half to build this huge thing.
Speaker 1: And in that time, oh, well, we've had a bunch
Speaker 1: of scientists working and they figured out a better way
Speaker 1: to do it. I guess I can see how that happened. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the sort of project is like I was, I
Speaker 1: was talking about that submarine. There's been a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of money on that particular project. You know
Speaker 1: that there's all kinds of stuff like that where they
Speaker 1: don't go into service because they get superseded right away
Speaker 1: by something better. They still spend a ton of money
Speaker 1: and building because it takes a long time to source.
Speaker 1: And I mean today I can say I want to
Speaker 1: build this, I can draw it on the computer. I
Speaker 1: can send it to a vendor. A vendor can drop
Speaker 1: that plan into a machine. The machine laser cuts it
Speaker 1: out and boom, it's done. But fifty years ago, I
Speaker 1: had to draw it all by hand. I had to
Speaker 1: write out all my specs. The dude had to get it,
Speaker 1: had to figure it out, had to had to teach
Speaker 1: his guys how to cut it and how to file it.
Speaker 1: And it took months to make that one part. That
Speaker 1: one widget took so long to make that it's understandable
Speaker 1: why these things, by the time they get a made
Speaker 1: just are useless. Yeah, I guess that's fair. So that
Speaker 1: I guess that would be my only kind of question
Speaker 1: mark with this whole thing. But yeah, I mean, if
Speaker 1: there is something there that that would point to one
Speaker 1: obvious thing, which is the person who's the person and
Speaker 1: parties who are creating all this gobbled ego around this thing,
Speaker 1: and there's just an incomprehensible mishmash of tall tales surrounding
Speaker 1: the thing. That party would have to be the government
Speaker 1: men and blacker. Once you were doing it, yeah, right
Speaker 1: to create confusion and chaos, fusion and basically negate credibility. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that so the mere fact that this thing is
Speaker 1: so ludicrous may actually is involved in it's Will Smith's fault.
Speaker 1: It is, yeah, welcome to earth. Um, So, I guess
Speaker 1: that's it. Always solve that one quick, but so links
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Speaker 1: You know, as much as I want Nikola Tesla to
Speaker 1: send us an email, I really feel bad for his
Speaker 1: great grandchild who's going to have to show him how
Speaker 1: to do that. Great Grandpa. This is how you click
Speaker 1: the button to send the email. Yeah, he invented the Internet.
Speaker 1: Probably he's actually Steve Jobs too. He was Steve Jobs,
Speaker 1: fake Steve Jobs. Now he's gone, he's moving to the
Speaker 1: next person. Yeah, so I guess that's it special request. Uh.
Speaker 1: Any of our listeners that tend to go to military
Speaker 1: surplus auctions, and I know there's at least some of
Speaker 1: you out there. Keep your eyes peeled for a titanium
Speaker 1: pyramid tall you can probably pick it up for tucks. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: keeping a good deal. Yeah, we'll buy it back from
Speaker 1: you for twice what you paid for. Well, So, on
Speaker 1: that note, I guess we're gonna head out of here. Um.
Speaker 1: Thanks for a listening, guys, and don't forget to tune
Speaker 1: in next week for our anniversary episode. Bye everybody dot.
Speaker 1: Are you sure it's next week? You sure it wasn't
Speaker 1: this week? I'm pretty sure it's this week. We missed it, guys,
Speaker 1: unless the spacetime bubble burst. I think I think we're okay.
Speaker 1: That's that's what it was the problem.