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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't know, you've never known stories of

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Speaker 1: things we simply don't know the answer to. Hey, everyone,

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Speaker 1: this is Thinking Sideways the podcast. I'm Devin, joined as

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Speaker 1: always by Joe and Steve and Steve and Steve. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: happy birthday. Huh but it's our birthday today? Where you're

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Speaker 1: all today? Not quite? Yeah? Yeah, it's been fifty two.

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Speaker 1: Isn't this our fifty second episode in fifty two weeks?

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Speaker 1: Fifty two weeks? Yeah, but the first? Oh why? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Well think of it this way. Your birthday is on

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Speaker 1: a certain day, right, and there's three days in the year,

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Speaker 1: so on day three, it's the day before your birthday.

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Speaker 1: If your birthday's day one, it makes sense. Alright, fine,

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna trust you, guys, So fine, never mind,

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Speaker 1: Happy birthday next week. Thank you for the wishes. You're welcome.

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Speaker 1: I'm it's about to be delivered in the form of

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Speaker 1: this episode. Okay, and this is a juicy and testing episode.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's an okay one. Yeah, it's actually a

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Speaker 1: listener suggestion from way back, probably one of our first

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Speaker 1: listener suggestions. Yeah, it's it's an old one. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: got it. Via Reddit actually from a user named oh

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Speaker 1: and eight oh and eight. No, it's and eight oh

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Speaker 1: and date. Thank you. Sorry, sorry it took me so well. Actually,

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Speaker 1: let's be honest. I remember we all say Joe would

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Speaker 1: probably do this story. So it's really Joe's fault that

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Speaker 1: we haven't done this story. Yeah, that's true. A slacker.

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Speaker 1: Now this one was. This one was a little too

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Speaker 1: like everything with the kitchen sink was in there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's why I have this handy dandy bullet point list

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Speaker 1: of all the things that I think are hilarious attached

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Speaker 1: to them. So what are we talking about. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about the mont Talk Project. Oh yeah, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: of course it's it's sister project, the Philadelphia. Well we're

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Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and gloss over the Philadelphia experiment today.

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Speaker 1: But you know that it's connected. Apparently it's connected, well

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Speaker 1: connect connected in that it exists in the same universe. Um,

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Speaker 1: but I figured conoman and you know what this could explain.

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Speaker 1: This is why it's your birthday gift, Steve is because

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Speaker 1: it could actually explain every all of the fifty two

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Speaker 1: big tangled mess. Yeah. The Montalk Project, I'm saying that right, right,

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Speaker 1: which was renamed the Montauk Air Force Station, right, the

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Speaker 1: they turned into a park, right. But Camp Hero was

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Speaker 1: guess they're not mutually exclusive. They could have both happened,

426
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 1: but Aliens apparently there was some some contact with aliens

427
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,719
Speaker 1: that happened at the Montalk project through this time tunnel,

428
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: the stable time tunnel, there were some underground tunnels with

429
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: abandoned cultural archives that were explored on Mars using the

430
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: technique where apparently some kind of Martians had once lived

431
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of years earlier, and there was contact

432
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: made with the aliens through the time tunnel. I guess

433
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: that gave them some kind of advanced technologies to enhance

434
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: them Ontalk project so that they were able to actually

435
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: do the initial time tunnel without alien technology, I guess,

436
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: and then they somehow the time tunnel also opened into

437
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 1: a space tunnel. All that also took us to Mars.

438
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: I think it's one thing for me to make the

439
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: leap of hey, this this time tunnel opened up and

440
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: it it opened up to someplace that's like pretty close,

441
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: just like you know, forty years ago or whatever. It's

442
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: another to say, hey, this time tunnel opened up and

443
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: it opened up five thousand years in the future on Mars.

444
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: I don't I mean, I don't know how those things work,

445
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't know. I mean, you know, that's

446
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: the thing about it is, it's like the universe is

447
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: a huge place, and and actually inhabitable places that exists

448
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,719
Speaker 1: are an infinites only small. Yeah. Yeah, so it goes

449
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: out to a random place, it's probably just going to

450
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: be empty space, or the inside of a planet, or

451
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: the inside of a star. Yeah. Those all seem like

452
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: really dangerous things to right you. Every time you hear

453
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: about a time tunnel opening up, it happens to be

454
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: in a place that isn't the vacuum of space that

455
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 1: sucks the entire world through this into a black hole, right,

456
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: I'm and that seems rather convenient to me. Well, they

457
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: did that on Stargate once they that's true, they had

458
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: to frantically shut down the stargate. But they happened on Stargate, which,

459
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm going to go back to Stargate

460
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: every time you say time tunnel because it sounds like it.

461
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: So they just they were just like channel surfing and

462
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: they came to the Yeah. Yeah, they went to this

463
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: planet and it had the ring, and that planet was

464
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: being sucked into a black hole. And the guys that

465
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: went out there, we're all being spaghettification. Is that what

466
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: it's called when you get sucked into a black hole?

467
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: Because you're you're stretched out and and time slows down,

468
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: and so they were they were watching everybody slow down

469
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: and being spaghettified. They had to quickly shut it down

470
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: so the ground he didn't suck the world through the Yeah, yeah,

471
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: get to the gate. Ye sorry, I'm just I'm just

472
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: telling you right now. I'm going to do that every

473
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: time I can. Apparently this allowed a broader access to

474
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: hyperspace and also developed allowed a language of hyperspace to

475
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: be developed. I just don't even that kind of like

476
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: esperanto or is that like a mathematical language. It's unclear.

477
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: I have to be honest, it may be a language

478
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: of mathematics. I did not try to look it up.

479
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: I want to be honest with you. I don't know

480
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: that we could actually. So there's some other stuff that's

481
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: really interesting, and this is kind of my bullet point list.

482
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: The first interesting fact connected to the Montalk Project other

483
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: than the ones that we've already talked about, are that

484
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: apparently Nikola Tesla faked his death in a conspiracy and

485
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: was the chief director of operations at the Montalk Project

486
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: UM and was through I guess through the eighties, which

487
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: would make him like a hundred and twenty something like

488
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: that years old, So that seems really true. But he

489
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: was he was when he died, if he was in

490
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: his eighties, like his early you know, I've seen pictures

491
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: of not long before his death, and he didn't look

492
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: that hot. He didn't look so good. No, he did not,

493
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: And reportedly he was getting a little bit flaking the

494
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: head in his old age, as most of us do. Yeah,

495
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: especially when you play with electricity as much as he. Yeah. Yeah,

496
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: so so I'm not sure it would have been much

497
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: used to the project. However, happy I would be that

498
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: Nikola Tesla was still alive today. Yeah, I would be

499
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: so happy. Well, haven't you watched Sanctuary? He's a vampire.

500
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: He's totally alive. You've never seen that show. Oh, I'm

501
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: totally going off on random TV shows? State, aren't I?

502
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: The Sanctuary ran for like three years, but Nicola Tesla

503
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: was was a vampire. I guess I'll go watch that. Then.

504
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: It's pretty he's a super smart guy. Yeah, Thomas Edison

505
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,719
Speaker 1: is another vampire. That'd be great. No, Edison was a vampire.

506
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: He was just a jerk. Yeah, he really was. Okay,

507
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: next little tidbit of conspiracy there are reports from the

508
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: nineteenth eve means that nineteen seventies, excuse me, that surveillance

509
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: showed quote, the formation of a large bubble of time

510
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: space centered upon the site unquote, which is apparently proof

511
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: of the time tunnel. Apparently there was pictorial proof of that,

512
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: which conveniently was burgled from the only person who had it,

513
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: which seems like a normal thing for satellite surveillance. Well, yeah,

514
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: that that guy was Remember that that guy, I can't

515
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: remember his name now, but he was a reporter, right, No, no,

516
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: he was, he was. He was a Russian. Yeah, it

517
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: was a defector from Russia. He was interviewed by a reporter.

518
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, yeah, yeah, and he had he had access

519
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: to satellite surveillance and he was like Russian and South American.

520
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: He was so weird combination Spanish, Russian, something like that.

521
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: And as soon as he spilled the beans, then they

522
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: broke into his apartment only stole the papers. I know

523
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: now that could have like mess the place up and

524
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: stole his TV too, just to cover up. Yeah, but

525
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: I seriously would like to know from why would you

526
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:06,239
Speaker 1: steal the TV? You know how TV? Yeah, they were

527
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: only about this anyway, the I really want to know

528
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: what a bubble of space time looks like. I would

529
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: like to know that too, because yeah, how how does

530
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: it look at a different from the spacetime that we

531
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: exist in right now? I don't know. Maybe it bows out,

532
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe everything looks super spaghettified. I don't know. Yeah,

533
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: that I can't answer. I have not seen that on

534
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: TV yet. Yeah. Apparently, also at the mont Talk Project,

535
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: people had their psychic abilities enhanced already amazing theory that

536
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: allowed them to materialize objects that would of thin air.

537
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: They could just think a thing into existence. I guess

538
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: they couldn't all do that, but some of them, my guys,

539
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: were so so incredibly advanced and powerful that they could actually,

540
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: like and one of them, one of them, like like

541
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: materialize a big foot out of air, and it went

542
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: berserker and started destroyed, destroyed like re levels and they

543
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: had to be Yeah, did you hear the theory of

544
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,959
Speaker 1: why the YETI was was created or was brought in? Oh?

545
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: This is this is this is way down the rabbit hole.

546
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: It's absolutely I can't remember the name of the guy

547
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: that supposedly was had his psychic abilities enhanced, And of

548
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: course by having those abilities enhanced, he had other issues

549
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: like emotional issues created. But he and some other people

550
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: at that time, I think it was in the eighties.

551
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: They said because it shut down on eight three. Right

552
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: said that they realized that the project had gotten out

553
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: of control, and so what they did is to shut

554
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: it down. When he was in they had a mind

555
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: chair where there it was an alien chair, which is

556
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: also a stargate phenomena. He sat at it and he

557
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: thought of the worst monster he could and he thought

558
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: of a seven foot yetti. Went went through and rampage

559
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: through the complex and rip the place asunder, doing so

560
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: much damage that the project had to be shut down,

561
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: and they saved our timeline. I um. I was kind

562
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: of hoping that you were going to tell me. It's

563
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: like from Ghostbusters with the Marsha with the stuff Marshall

564
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: Man where they were like, okay, think of anything you want,

565
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: and he's like, don't think of a yettie, don't think

566
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: of a yetti. Don't think of a YETI crap, I

567
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: thought of a yetti. That was my hope. Apparently, also

568
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: at the Montalk project they put microchips embedded them in

569
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: the workers brains to control the people who worked there,

570
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: or to make them forget that they worked there or

571
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: totally make sense whatever. Also apparently, um, the Montalk Project

572
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: is where they train the Men in Black two quote

573
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: Yeah it might be. So that's that's another part of it,

574
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 1: right They apparently the Men in Black were developed to

575
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: quote confuse and frighten the public. Also the Montalk Project

576
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: where they staged the moon landing, or possibly they tunneled

577
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: to the future with their time tunnel to get technology

578
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: from the aliens, or they tunneled to a time when

579
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: people could go to the Moon and just then wait, wait, wait, wait,

580
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 1: this is I've seen most of these these things here.

581
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: But you're telling me that the Montalk Project is responsible

582
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: for either a making the Moon landing or re faking it. Yeah,

583
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: both of those possibilities. Yeah, yeah, that that potentially they

584
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: faked it there, right, they staged it there, or this

585
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: time tunnel existed and they got the alien technology that

586
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: that enabled them to actually go to the Moon. But

587
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: either way, it wasn't just like United States ingenuity that

588
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: let us go to the The thing about it is

589
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: is there's no evidence of any alien technology and the

590
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: Apollo program, I mean, are you kidding me, Crown. Oh, okay,

591
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: you win, ok yeah, there's no need for alien technology there.

592
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: I like the Civil War one. Yeah, apparently. Also some

593
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: of the things that one of the things they did

594
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: with this time tunnel was they went back because apparently

595
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: the first time we did the Civil War it went

596
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: the wrong way. So they fixed the outcome of the

597
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: Civil War. So the South one the world was so

598
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: terrible that the Confederate is at the South. The Confederacy's

599
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: version realized it was terrible, made their own Montauk project

600
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: to send people back to make sure the Confederacy lost

601
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: the second time around. I guess I don't know, I

602
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe it was people who were, you know,

603
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,439
Speaker 1: like still fighting for the North. Who I mean, not still,

604
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: but you know, there are people who still think that

605
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: the Confederacy should have won right in two thousand fourteen.

606
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: So maybe it was the you know, the obviously the

607
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: smarter people. I was gonna say, because most of the

608
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: people who think that they fly the flag, they drive

609
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: the truck, they drink the beer, and once a year

610
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: they go to the re enactment. They don't build quantum

611
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: machines in their garage. I have a lot of choice

612
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: derogatory things to say. I mean it, it wouldn't be

613
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: the Southerners at the south and one right, But that's

614
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is that the Northerners would have then

615
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: they would have said, wow, this turned out bad. Let's

616
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: create a lot of really advanced technology and go back

617
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: and fix it. But the thing about instead of flying

618
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: the flag and going to the re enactment once a year,

619
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: you know, But to think about it is is that

620
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: if the US had split, well, there's a couple of

621
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: different outcomes. One is that things might have turned out

622
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: better or just perfectly. Okay, the South would go do

623
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: their thing, we do our thing, and so you know,

624
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be seen we see it from the perspective

625
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: as of us now as the South winning is being

626
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: a hideous thing. But maybe as far as the north

627
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: it goes people living in the North, it would have been.

628
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: And so the only thing is slavery. Let's throw that

629
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: out there. Slavery, I mean, slavery was going to go

630
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: the way of the Dodo. Industrialization did away with slavery anyway.

631
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 1: I mean, it would have gone. He's got a point,

632
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: that's true. Yes, slavery would no longer be existing in

633
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: the twentieth century. On the other other hand, you know

634
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: that the United States, if it were split up, might

635
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: not have ever become a real world power and might

636
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: not have even participated in World War Two. So I

637
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 1: don't know, it's a big question all these unnable noble

638
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: things are It's true. Um so more things that happened

639
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: at the Montalk Project. Um, the Jersey Devil was created there.

640
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: We haven't tackled the Jersey devil. What is the Jersey Devil?

641
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: Is the good question? Yeah, and that's I mean the

642
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: question the devil. No, I mean the Jersey Devil is

643
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: a cryptozoology creature, like a came era kind of thing.

644
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: Well though, it could be a bigfoot, It could be

645
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: something like a the Tasmanian devil. It could be a uh,

646
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: could be a chupa cabra it, it could be a

647
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: lot of things. Could be a bat man guy, could

648
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: be a situation. This is the thing again. I'm sure

649
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: we'll do a show on this, yea, we probably will. Also,

650
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: apparently AIDS was manufactured here, because that's the thing. Steve

651
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: is looking at me like I am the person who

652
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: believes this theory, the idea that it was manufactured one.

653
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: You know, if you really want a new hideous disease

654
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: to come along, I gotta do this sort of sit back,

655
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 1: drink a beer in a way for sub Saharan Africa

656
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: to crank a new one out. I mean that's all

657
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 1: there is to I mean, look AT's say, for example, ebola. Yeah,

658
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: but the problem right, okay, so the thing I okay,

659
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I can't blue about to do this.

660
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: But the thing is is that like ebola you catch

661
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: as a rich person, just disease lose, you could catch

662
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: as like a as a poor person. Right, I mean

663
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: it's an airborne illness, right, it's a it's whatever. It's

664
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: communicable in other ways other than like physically having a right.

665
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: So the benefit of AIDS, right, Ostensibly, if you were

666
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: going to manufacture something is that you would just say

667
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: I will only have contact with people I no, do

668
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: not have this, and then I will never get it.

669
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: So I guess unless you got a blood transfusion or

670
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: something like that, but they clean that stuff out. Yeah. Now,

671
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: then because there might be some rare fraff, you might

672
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: want to just letally know that I'm going to let

673
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: that go. Yeah, you should Yeah, anyways, just as a so,

674
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 1: I guess that's why, like last big one, the whole

675
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: the whole thing is still standing. That's my last theory

676
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: of things that happened there is the AIDS thing. Oh

677
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: I thought it was your does the which was my

678
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: favorite phrase of this is how we're just gonna know,

679
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: We're just gonna let that, we're just going Yes. So

680
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: the whole thing, the radar and the building that it's

681
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 1: on top of, and ostensibly the fifty foot titanium pyramid

682
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: below are still there, and the and that the soldiers with,

683
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: So that that's exactly the segue, right, is that apparently

684
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: this base is abandoned. It's just part of the State

685
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: Park in New York. But ostensibly people say that civilians

686
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: visiting the park or park are routinely threatened by armed

687
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: government agents that are um ordering them to not venture

688
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: into certain areas of the park. Apparently, electrical workers report

689
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: having installed a power station capable of using giga watts

690
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: of energy, like enough to power a city. And apparently

691
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: every once in a while, strange lights or shapes are

692
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 1: seen on the sky over head anywhere. And here's here's

693
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: here's something that's weird. I wanted to kind of get

694
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: an idea of what the place looked like today, So

695
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: I went on Google Maps and checked it out, and

696
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: I was looking at the street map, no big deal.

697
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: And then I wanted to try and figure out where

698
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: the satellite was or the radar dish, so I turned

699
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: it onto satellite view, and then thought, well, I'm just

700
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna pull a Joel and I'm just gonna

701
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: cruise around the streets and check everything out. Except you

702
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: can't because every time you come around a corner there's

703
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: a couple of guys with eric no, no, no. You

704
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: know how when you when you're in Google Maps today

705
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: and you go and you what do they call the

706
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 1: little guy that you drop on the map? Yeah? Whatever

707
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: he is, he's got a name. I can't think of it. Whenever,

708
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: whenever you get the map to come up to show

709
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: where he'll go. All the roads around Camp Hero, they

710
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 1: all stop on the street view at a pretty significant

711
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: distance away from the main center of the installation. Is

712
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: it the border of the state park? Like, is it

713
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: not a well to go into the state park at all? Well?

714
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: You can you go down a road? Because I did.

715
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: I went to a number of them. You go down

716
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: the road and then there's a gate and there's a

717
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: giant sign which you can't read because of Google has

718
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: fuzzed it out. But there's there's a gate, and then

719
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: I mean there's a number of smaller roads that look

720
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: like they feed in off of the edges, and I

721
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: went over to those, and every one of them it's

722
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: the same thing the Google truck stopped. It seems like

723
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: these gates, if it's a park, would be open to

724
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: drive down at some point, but Google never managed to

725
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: get in there. And every time they, i mean, they

726
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: fuzz out everything that is on there. You know how

727
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: you when you're in the street view, it does the

728
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: little window where you can zoom in on stuff. Like

729
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: let's say you're looking at a house and you want

730
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: to zoom on the house. When you look at that

731
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: entire area, that little zoom window is gone in the

732
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: street view. It's not until you do a one eighty

733
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: and you're looking away that it comes back. So it's

734
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: a little weird that you can't even zoom into any

735
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: of it, which would add a little creedence this theory

736
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: of well, maybe something still going on. Yeah, but think

737
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: about it. Is is um. If they've still got stuff

738
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: going on, then why go to the hassle of having

739
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: you know, like like guys sneaking around the woods with

740
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 1: guns when you can just keep it in your own possession,

741
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: not turn it over to the public, not have the

742
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: public walking around, and still have your fences and armed

743
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: guards saying, hey, military base, you can't come in, and

744
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: there's nothing suspicious about that, but you have to keep

745
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: You've got to do some kind of upkeep. And if

746
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: you give it to the state and say the state,

747
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: this is your park, you've got to maintain it. But

748
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: by the way, keep your little cretans out of this area,

749
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: and we'll just have a little contingent walking around patrolling

750
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: it to keep people away, because you know, people get

751
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: on foot and they wander around. They have no idea,

752
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: so they just they're they're scurrying all they're making sure

753
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: everybody scurries away from it. I guess my other thing

754
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 1: for the keeping a base would be exactly what you're

755
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: saying earlier with the populated area thing, where I think

756
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: you know, when they initially made camp hero Long Island

757
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: was not nearly as populated as as it is now,

758
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: So keeping something secret and operational as a publicized air

759
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: Force base is much harder. It would be like trying

760
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: to do something on the Air Force Base or I

761
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: guess it's the Air Force Reserve or whatever. That's you know,

762
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: down by the Portland Airport. You drive right past it

763
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: and it's kind of a secluded area. But if there

764
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: was weird stuff going on, people would know, just because

765
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: people kind of live around. So I got you know,

766
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: I guess there's some kind of I see both arguments that. Yeah,

767
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: I still think if you're that paramoid about secrecy, just

768
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: move out to the desert somewhere out west. But that's

769
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: the problem is that there's all kinds of installations that

770
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: were out in the middle of nowhere. We're built up,

771
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 1: you know about the here in Portland. Out on the east,

772
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: there's in Beaverton or west side in Beaverton. There's the

773
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: monkey Farm. You know about the monkey farm. There's the

774
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: monkey Farm. There's this place that is a primate facility,

775
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 1: and it is in the middle of Beaverton, which folks

776
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: who aren't from here don't know, is a very populated,

777
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: very urbanized area, and there's a lot of people driving

778
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: around and living in that area, and I worked on

779
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 1: a campus that was directly next to I mean property

780
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: lines intersected, and I'd be in the parking lot and

781
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: you could hear the monkeys. Its facility. I don't think

782
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: it is. It might be, but the point is they

783
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: built that thing a long time ago and kept adding

784
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: onto it. If they sunk a lot of money into

785
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 1: infrastructure to build this facility and they want it, let's

786
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: just say they're doing nefarious things because we would hear

787
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 1: monkeys yelling all the time, and then they're doing strange

788
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: things there. Well, you can't just pick that all up

789
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: and move because that's really expensive. So instead you just

790
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: say it's one thing while you do another. Yeah, you

791
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: can do that. But at the time they started this facility,

792
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: I mean I mean New York and like just just

793
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: north of there is Connecticut, another very populous place. It

794
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: was already very very densely populated, you know, back in

795
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: the forties. Yeah, whenever they started, so I mean, they

796
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: didn't have to invest a diamond it. They could have

797
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: just gone somewhere else. But it was also I remember

798
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: in reading they went there because he was right on

799
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: the coast, so it was easy to bring everything in

800
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 1: my boat loaded up and haul it however far you know,

801
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: a couple of miles at the most, onto the camp.

802
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: And so it's easy. Secret submarine. Yeah, your secret submarine.

803
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: Because frankly, I've I've looked the island over that end

804
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: of the island over fairly carefully, and I saw nothing

805
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 1: resembling wharves or dogs or anything like. So it's gonna

806
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: have to be the secret. I'm on board with that.

807
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: So that's the story of the month. This is this

808
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 1: is when we're actually gonna have to postpone solving this one.

809
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure we have at least several listeners in New

810
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: York and so do not suggest something that is going

811
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: to get people arrested. Joe, look at the well, if

812
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: this is all true, it's not going to get him arrested.

813
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: It's going to get them shot. So get your asses

814
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: out there. Takes if you can, if you rent, rent

815
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: like rent like one of those little Caboda things, you know,

816
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: those diggers, you know, and like those little those little

817
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: earth mover things, and just do some digging out you

818
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: know what is actually a really huge fine digging up

819
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: state parks. Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, pretty illegal, even just

820
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: like just digging in a state park. I mean, you know,

821
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: it's one thing. If like there is a secret base there,

822
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: it's a nut. I mean, even if there's not, it's

823
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: a pretty hepty fine. I would rather I would rather

824
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: have a crew of Larper's dress up as as g

825
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: One crew and go running through the park and see

826
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 1: if they can blend in and get into the site.

827
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: Then have them start digging up so that they if

828
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: they can see, they can find the first level of

829
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: the underground base. I want, I want, I just want

830
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: to see what the signs say, the Google signs that

831
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: are blurred out. I you know, I have a feeling

832
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: it's nothing nefarious. I think it's probably innocuous. You can't

833
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: drive past here, like no no ngicular traffic pass this point.

834
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: It looks like a lot of texts on it probably

835
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: says state park and here's a many many rules and yeah, yeah,

836
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 1: it's probably a giant rules all of our state parks

837
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: so like that, there's all kinds of sign in, tons

838
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: of tons of rules of I just want to know.

839
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: So what do you guys, what's your favorite thing that

840
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: might have might have happened to favorite the favorite theory

841
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: or what? Yeah, I guess I'm not willing to call

842
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: these theories necessarily just like suppositions, things that might have

843
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 1: happened there. What's your favorite thing that might have happened there?

844
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: I really do the guys that could make things materializing.

845
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: The guy makes the jetti pop out of nowhere and

846
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: it tears the place apart. Pretty good. That's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah,

847
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: I okay. Are we going for favorite for fun or

848
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: favorite for believing? Well, let's do favorite for fun? Why not?

849
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: Very rarely do favorite for fun for favorite for fun?

850
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm Joe many to upend his It's okay.

851
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: I I kind of like the theory that that Al

852
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 1: and his buddy Mr Cameron had where they were lost

853
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: in time, because it makes me think there's been a

854
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: number of movies of military men from the forties who

855
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: go into the freezer cooler and wake up in the eighties. Yeah,

856
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And he's he's saying that. I think

857
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: it's Al was saying that he had no recollection of

858
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: ever working at the Montauk project, and then people who

859
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: knew the project. I might be misremembering the person. It

860
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: might not be Owl. I can't remember that there was

861
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: somebody who said yeah, somebody who said they had no

862
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 1: memory of working at Montalk, and then people who worked

863
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: there were like, hey, totally righty nice, you know, I

864
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 1: don't know you until to the point that he got

865
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: really upset, and then suddenly the memories started coming. That

866
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: was the guy who said there were microchips in the brand?

867
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: Is that who said that? I don't remember his name,

868
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: but yeah, you see, I couldn't remember if it was

869
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: him or the guy who could make things materialized. I

870
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: think it was microchip dude. It might that might even

871
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: be the same person, because you remember then you know,

872
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: it's you're living a double life. It's pretty awesome on accident. Yeah,

873
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a neo situation that red pill

874
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: and the blue pill or both. You know, you just

875
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: took them both, so we're just going to mix them,

876
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: see what happens, Just you know, have fun. I think

877
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: it wouldn't it be a weird, weird way for the

878
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 1: movies to go the matrix if he was like, um,

879
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: I'll just take a both. I'll wake up inside the matrix,

880
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: but forget everything I ever knew. What about the so

881
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: much pill? Was it the red pill? Where he goes

882
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole. Yes, so yeah, what if he's

883
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: taken the blue pill, there's the end of the world. Yeah,

884
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: you know. The next hour and a half is him

885
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: in his office just you know, it's like he's going

886
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 1: about his business and he keeps running this, keeps running

887
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: into what's his name, Morpheus, and keeps running into Morpheus,

888
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: and Mors says, are you sure you sure you don't

889
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: want to take the red pill? Dude? Why are you

890
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: always trying to give me drugs? Are you trying to

891
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: get me fired? I gotta take a pee test tomorrow.

892
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: He's at the Starbucks to say. Morpheus sits down and say,

893
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Uh, that's a movie that needs to be made.

894
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: I think this is awesome. I was just going to

895
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: say that my favorite theory is Nikola Tesla, but I

896
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: guess the X is more interesting. No, I like Tesla,

897
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: like as the director of operations. There yet of stuff.

898
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: I like the director. Yeah, the director of operations, Like

899
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: that was that's a very specific like they weren't like, hey,

900
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: he was in charge of the place. They're like this

901
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: was his job title. It was director of operations, not

902
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: not chief of operations, not CEO, right, not like CEO,

903
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: not like commander in operations or whatever you call yeah,

904
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: whatever you would do in the military. No, he was

905
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: the director of operations. It's a very specific title it is,

906
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: which makes me nope, operations which apparently facilities probably replies

907
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: to write or reports to. But I guess you know,

908
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: director of operations. That leads some credence, right, super plausible. Yeah,

909
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest. Okay, I like the story. It's

910
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Can I now say what my

911
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 1: big problem with this project? I guess it is. I

912
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: think Joe, you might have mentioned this earlier, is this

913
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: story is a prime, prime candidate for people to just

914
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: chew on. And I think that this is yeah, and

915
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: this is what this is. This is the hard part.

916
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 1: It's like I kept reading it trying to find Okay,

917
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: we're some credible stuff. What what can I try and

918
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: track down it's really real instead of these fun anecdotal things.

919
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: And it's like watching you know, it's it's cracks and glass.

920
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: It just it just keeps spreading and you don't know

921
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: where it's going. It's confusing, and I think I think

922
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: for a lot of these stories, you don't know if

923
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 1: it's somebody and maybe I've said this before. In fact,

924
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure I have. There's not people out there, people

925
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: with an impi sense of humor on the internet who

926
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: copy all this stuff over and then tack on a

927
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: few things like, oh, let's have somebody materialized stuff out

928
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,959
Speaker 1: of thin air, you know, using this power of his mind,

929
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: and then that gets copied over by other people and

930
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: then well, there's a bunch of books that have been

931
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 1: written on this place. I tried to track them down

932
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: in my library, but unfortunately they don't stock them. Surprisingly,

933
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: but I was really disappointed because I wanted to try

934
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: and read some of this stuff to see where where

935
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: what sources because uh Al, when I was listening to him,

936
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: his sources were a friend in the government, a friend

937
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: that I know, a friend in the military, which is

938
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: just not a credible source, and it's really difficult to

939
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: to get a good handle on. Yeah, so that's kind

940
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 1: of why I attacked this story the way that I did,

941
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 1: which is probably the best way to do with this

942
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: whole Okay, there's this one kind of anecdotal thing that

943
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: you can't I mean, there's no hard evidence for any

944
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: of it, but at least there's some stories from it

945
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: seems different points of view, and whether that's just like

946
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: different people writing it or whatever, it seems that like

947
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: at least people are lying who substantiate the evidence or

948
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: the anecdotal evidence versus like one dude says, oh, yeah,

949
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: Aids was there, right, one dude says, oh, by the way,

950
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: men in black trained there. You know. I think that,

951
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 1: so I wanted to kind of focus on this stuff

952
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: that actually has at least a little substance to it,

953
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: even if it's not good science or good evidence. I

954
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: don't think any of this stuff has any substance. I

955
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: think that they're there have There has got to be

956
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: truth in some of this. I'm not saying what it is.

957
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: So let's say the people who got chased off by

958
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: men with guns, they were probably trespassing at night and

959
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: a park ranger came out and yelled at him and

960
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: they maybe we're a little inebriated or something, and they

961
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 1: saw he had a gun on his hip because he's

962
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: a ranger and they carry guns. A dude in a

963
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: gun in the dark chase just off. Like, I think

964
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 1: that that's how some of this starts. But really that's

965
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: my heart that's my biggest struggle is I think that

966
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: there's something here. I just can't pinpoint it because there's

967
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: just so much fluff around it, right, And I guess

968
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: that's the big question for me that I'm left wanting

969
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: is like, why did the government build this radar facility

970
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: that was like obviously about to be obsolete, right, I

971
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: mean they basically they built it and it was obsolete.

972
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: Why why even spend all this money at this site

973
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: to do this? Well, no, you gotta remember that a

974
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: there in the middle of the war. Be they move

975
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: slow and technology is cutting edge today, but it takes

976
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: us a year and a half to build this huge thing.

977
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: And in that time, oh, well, we've had a bunch

978
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: of scientists working and they figured out a better way

979
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: to do it. I guess I can see how that happened. Yeah,

980
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: that's the sort of project is like I was, I

981
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: was talking about that submarine. There's been a lot of

982
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: a lot of money on that particular project. You know

983
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: that there's all kinds of stuff like that where they

984
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: don't go into service because they get superseded right away

985
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: by something better. They still spend a ton of money

986
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,919
Speaker 1: and building because it takes a long time to source.

987
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: And I mean today I can say I want to

988
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: build this, I can draw it on the computer. I

989
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: can send it to a vendor. A vendor can drop

990
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: that plan into a machine. The machine laser cuts it

991
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: out and boom, it's done. But fifty years ago, I

992
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: had to draw it all by hand. I had to

993
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: write out all my specs. The dude had to get it,

994
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: had to figure it out, had to had to teach

995
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: his guys how to cut it and how to file it.

996
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: And it took months to make that one part. That

997
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: one widget took so long to make that it's understandable

998
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: why these things, by the time they get a made

999
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: just are useless. Yeah, I guess that's fair. So that

1000
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: I guess that would be my only kind of question

1001
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: mark with this whole thing. But yeah, I mean, if

1002
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: there is something there that that would point to one

1003
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 1: obvious thing, which is the person who's the person and

1004
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: parties who are creating all this gobbled ego around this thing,

1005
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: and there's just an incomprehensible mishmash of tall tales surrounding

1006
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: the thing. That party would have to be the government

1007
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: men and blacker. Once you were doing it, yeah, right

1008
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: to create confusion and chaos, fusion and basically negate credibility. Yeah. Yeah,

1009
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: well that so the mere fact that this thing is

1010
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: so ludicrous may actually is involved in it's Will Smith's fault.

1011
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: It is, yeah, welcome to earth. Um, So, I guess

1012
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: that's it. Always solve that one quick, but so links

1013
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: or in pictures on the website. That website is Thinking

1014
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: Sideways podcast dot com. You can listen to us there.

1015
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,560
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1016
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,840
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1017
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: you didn't finish listening to it, so you're not been

1018
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:05,600
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1019
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1020
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1021
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1022
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,400
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1023
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1024
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,160
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1025
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:33,800
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1026
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1028
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1029
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,600
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1030
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: if you do go out to like take a picture

1031
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: of these signs, or you are Nicola Tesla, just send

1032
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: us an email. The email address is thinking Sideways pod

1033
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: cast at gmail dot com. We love to hear from you.

1034
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: You know, as much as I want Nikola Tesla to

1035
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: send us an email, I really feel bad for his

1036
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: great grandchild who's going to have to show him how

1037
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: to do that. Great Grandpa. This is how you click

1038
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: the button to send the email. Yeah, he invented the Internet.

1039
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: Probably he's actually Steve Jobs too. He was Steve Jobs,

1040
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: fake Steve Jobs. Now he's gone, he's moving to the

1041
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: next person. Yeah, so I guess that's it special request. Uh.

1042
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 1: Any of our listeners that tend to go to military

1043
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 1: surplus auctions, and I know there's at least some of

1044
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: you out there. Keep your eyes peeled for a titanium

1045
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: pyramid tall you can probably pick it up for tucks. Yeah, yeah,

1046
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 1: keeping a good deal. Yeah, we'll buy it back from

1047
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: you for twice what you paid for. Well, So, on

1048
01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: that note, I guess we're gonna head out of here. Um.

1049
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: Thanks for a listening, guys, and don't forget to tune

1050
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: in next week for our anniversary episode. Bye everybody dot.

1051
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: Are you sure it's next week? You sure it wasn't

1052
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: this week? I'm pretty sure it's this week. We missed it, guys,

1053
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: unless the spacetime bubble burst. I think I think we're okay.

1054
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: That's that's what it was the problem.