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Speaker 1: to Oxnard, California. For the start of twenty eighteen Cowboys
Speaker 1: training camp. Rob Phillips right here at the River Ridge
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Speaker 1: brought us Nick Eaton and repping the break, holding the
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Speaker 1: What's watch the old thing? Yeah, that's all like Ela
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Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like that. I bet it feels like
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Speaker 1: out here, we're just getting rolling. Cowboys are about to
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Speaker 1: some long sleeves occasionally out here. We'll have our daily
Speaker 1: shows throughout camp, Talking Cowboys, Cowboys, Break, Hanging with the
Speaker 1: Boys as well, And today's show is just a primer,
Speaker 1: just an appetizer leading into the annual Training Camp State
Speaker 1: of the Union press conference with Jerry Stephen, Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: and uh so we're just getting you guys set, everybody
Speaker 1: ready to go. What time we'll be doing those other shows?
Speaker 1: I believe nine am Talking Cowboys, okay, Pacific time, followed
Speaker 1: immediately by the break at ten am Pacific. Hanging with
Speaker 1: the Boys is in the afternoon, thirty two thirty Pacific
Speaker 1: player guests, they get, They do a good job of
Speaker 1: that show. Shannon, they hustle. He's a special guest booker there. Ye,
Speaker 1: maybe you should change the nickname you have for it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Brian hanging with Shannon. Exactly. Let's not forget a six
Speaker 1: time pro bowler. Nate Newton's on there, Yeah, exactly, Nates
Speaker 1: on here? Right? Is he here? He said he'd be
Speaker 1: here and telling for the press conference that starts at
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock. Come by and see him if you see
Speaker 1: any of the sign autographs and stuff like that. So,
Speaker 1: as I pointed out to Rob, this is the official
Speaker 1: start of training camp right here. This is the show.
Speaker 1: Our show is. Nothing else has happened here. I mean
Speaker 1: there's radio road just okay, they don't count fair enough.
Speaker 1: So we're getting everybody started. Let's star partners exactly. Let's
Speaker 1: ignore those guys, right, but the fan too, Mick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get it about doing their thing. All right, let's
Speaker 1: get started. As Dallas Cowboys dot Com goes, this is
Speaker 1: right kicking out of the game. The reason for that,
Speaker 1: we're beating the presence. All right, Let's let's get you
Speaker 1: under control here. I starts you off with some news items.
Speaker 1: Let's that they're gonna get addressed probably in this press
Speaker 1: conference here, Mick, start starting with Randy Gregory, who's been
Speaker 1: in the news quite a bit in the last few days.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be the conditional reinstatement is going to be
Speaker 1: lifted at I'm told one o'clock here, so three o'clock
Speaker 1: Central time, four o'clock, that's when the NFL does their business,
Speaker 1: and they'll put it down the wire so he'll be
Speaker 1: eligible to do whatever he's capable of doing, or what
Speaker 1: the Cowboys decide he's capable of doing. So my guess is,
Speaker 1: I just can't imagine he's going to go out there
Speaker 1: the first practice and do everything everybody else is going
Speaker 1: to do depending on how he does this morning on
Speaker 1: his conditioning test. Okay, fair enough, fair enough with that,
Speaker 1: there's a roster spot. You know, you got to create
Speaker 1: a roster spot. And I think you know, as the
Speaker 1: last we've heard that they're weighing their options because there's
Speaker 1: been some talk that David Irving might not be reporting
Speaker 1: on time or to start with, and if that happened,
Speaker 1: you can put him on a list of did not report,
Speaker 1: which takes a roster spot. So there's a player out there.
Speaker 1: I don't know who it is. I mean, you guys
Speaker 1: might know there's a player that's probably you know, not
Speaker 1: not long for this. I keep pack kind of like
Speaker 1: yahip yesterday, you know, but but I don't know who
Speaker 1: that is. And you know why why being in a hurry.
Speaker 1: You know, if David Irving is not going to report
Speaker 1: and there's their spot, and then knock on wood there
Speaker 1: might be an injury, you never know, and so um.
Speaker 1: But but I would imagine if Irving does get here,
Speaker 1: Gregory's reinstated officially, then somebody they got to release somebody.
Speaker 1: And the word, Brian, it's not official yet, but the
Speaker 1: word we're hearing about David Irving is if he's not
Speaker 1: here for the start of camp, it's an excused absence
Speaker 1: continuation of you know what we've seen part of the
Speaker 1: offseason where he was allowed to handle some personal business
Speaker 1: from the team, absolutely and we've all that's been well
Speaker 1: documented that he had some things he was going through with,
Speaker 1: you know, his girlfriend, the other of his child, and
Speaker 1: you know, you were hopeful that the time that was
Speaker 1: spending the offseason that he could have been able to
Speaker 1: kind of put that all behind him. And then the suspension,
Speaker 1: you know, came the four game suspension, so things kind
Speaker 1: of piling up on him right now. And as we
Speaker 1: get ready for camp, it you you talk about, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of a one unknown coming back where
Speaker 1: you know, Mickey and and Nick we're talking about the
Speaker 1: conditioning and you know, I was hearing some very positive
Speaker 1: things about Randy Gregory being out here in California working out. Now,
Speaker 1: is he in condition to where we've seen at the Star,
Speaker 1: You know, probably not, but it's gonna be good to
Speaker 1: have him back. I was really worried, guys, that the
Speaker 1: league was going to hold him out longer. Yeah, these
Speaker 1: practices here in Ox Starry, we get so much out
Speaker 1: of it watching the practice and that. You know, it's
Speaker 1: the compete periods, it's the team stuff, it's all that.
Speaker 1: I was really worried that the commissioner was going to
Speaker 1: hold him out for four or five days and then
Speaker 1: him miss those significant practices. Now he can jump in
Speaker 1: and just as maybe productive as a Charles Tapper or
Speaker 1: somebody like that. It's one of these guys, I mean, coney,
Speaker 1: these guys, these defensive ends are trying to make the team.
Speaker 1: And now again that's Randy Gregory, but you know, David
Speaker 1: Irvy just continues to get to a point where you're like,
Speaker 1: when is he ever going to get a break. But
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, with him missing the first
Speaker 1: four games, the Cowboys are now a little bit of
Speaker 1: a luxury to be able to say, okay, step back,
Speaker 1: go do what you need to go, do what you
Speaker 1: need to do to get things together and then come
Speaker 1: on back. And there's some question about that depth at
Speaker 1: defensive tackle immediately too. You know, you don't have Irving
Speaker 1: for the first month. He's not potentially not going to
Speaker 1: be a start a camp, and then Malee Collins as
Speaker 1: a question mark. Yeah, maybe a pup pup today won't
Speaker 1: be able to start practice of foot surgery. So there's
Speaker 1: guys that are gonna have to step up there early
Speaker 1: in camp as they look for the first preseason game.
Speaker 1: You know, the thing on Randy Gregory now he may
Speaker 1: be able to take part in the first couple practice
Speaker 1: is because there's no more than an ota or right camp, right,
Speaker 1: there's no pads and then the key thing will be
Speaker 1: to put the pads on as he ready on his
Speaker 1: hand and there's no rush, right. I mean, goodness, you
Speaker 1: waited this long. Yeah, you know you got to make
Speaker 1: sure he's out there because I guarantee you at some
Speaker 1: point he's gonna pull a hamstring. I mean, I was
Speaker 1: didn't want to hear that right there. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to hear that, and I but I wanted to. I
Speaker 1: wanted I just didn't want him to miss any opportunities
Speaker 1: on the field, you know, I didn't want him to
Speaker 1: have to be you know, okay, it's you know, three
Speaker 1: four days and he's over there with Britt Brown working
Speaker 1: by himself or with the strength of staff. I wanted
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory in there competing with him and Charles Tapper
Speaker 1: and and Cony Ealy and all those guys. I wanted
Speaker 1: to see, Hey, you know, let's start to try and
Speaker 1: figure some things out at this defensive end spot. But well,
Speaker 1: you bring up a big question too, And I know
Speaker 1: you guys are concerned about the defensive tackle spot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know where how's that rotation going to play? You know?
Speaker 1: And we we've we've seen some guys and I've been
Speaker 1: nobody's been cheerly any more than this jihad Ward trade
Speaker 1: that they made with Oakland during the during the draft
Speaker 1: for what I've seen with him athletically play and you know,
Speaker 1: but he's gonna get a chance to go up against
Speaker 1: Zach Martin and guys like that, and that's where you're
Speaker 1: gonna learn a lot about jod Ward. But you know
Speaker 1: who else who you know, who else, Brian Price, who
Speaker 1: else is gonna come along? They're gonna need some guys
Speaker 1: to step up and kind of give them a little
Speaker 1: bit of an indication that that, okay, going forward, we
Speaker 1: can we can count on these guys to do the job.
Speaker 1: You got a guess on who's gonna take MALIEK Collins
Speaker 1: a spot? Wow, I think he's out. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: I think what you're going to see. To me, I
Speaker 1: look at this in a couple of different ways, and
Speaker 1: I think that I like with us, I've seen with
Speaker 1: jahad Ward, but he'll do the three right. But the
Speaker 1: Jones Donte Jones, I think that's where because that's what
Speaker 1: we saw initially. Mickey, you'll remember this very well. That's
Speaker 1: what we saw during the OTAs in the mini camp.
Speaker 1: I think that's the initial way they're gonna go, and
Speaker 1: then let's see what happens behind that. Okay, what's the
Speaker 1: rotation going to be? Well, you know, this group too
Speaker 1: does a pretty good job. If a guy's a backup guy,
Speaker 1: they might have an afternoon practice where all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Nick Eatman queating, oh wait, hey, somebody's getting first team reps.
Speaker 1: So if you get a second team guy to get
Speaker 1: a little burned with the with the first offense or
Speaker 1: first defense, to kind of see if he can he
Speaker 1: can handle the workload, and I anticipate that's what they're
Speaker 1: gonna do. Price. Brian Price, I don't disagree with. He
Speaker 1: was doing some good things before he got hurt last year.
Speaker 1: And you know, one of those big body guys takes
Speaker 1: up a lot of space. There's a need for that.
Speaker 1: He's got a unique skill set. You know. Rod likes
Speaker 1: Manaronelli likes guys that can get up the field, bright
Speaker 1: trade pass rushing, don't have to necessarily be the big,
Speaker 1: sloppy nose tackle. I'm not saying Brian Price is big
Speaker 1: and sloppy, but he is a true Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: he's the Nick Hade version. You know, Nick Haye played
Speaker 1: a couple of seasons being that way, you know, being
Speaker 1: that guy that kind of holds things up on the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, can play a little bit outside the
Speaker 1: tackle box, you know. I mean, that's they've got to find.
Speaker 1: You know, there's something We went back. I mean I
Speaker 1: went back and listened to our draft coverage and I
Speaker 1: was we're all kind of talking about what is something
Speaker 1: they might have missed out on on all this picks. Well,
Speaker 1: they you traded for a guy like jahad Ward, But
Speaker 1: I didn't think he was a one technique. We were
Speaker 1: cheer leaning for a one and I don't know if
Speaker 1: they necessarily, you know, they obviously feel good about Brian
Speaker 1: Price to not make a move like that. So we'll
Speaker 1: see how it might be something we're having one of
Speaker 1: our shows, one of the two shows, three shows, and
Speaker 1: it's Hey, they brought so and so in as a
Speaker 1: defensive tackle just to take a look at because they
Speaker 1: might not like the rotation the way it is. I
Speaker 1: still think coney Ely is gonna factor into this thing
Speaker 1: in a weird way. I don't disagree with to look
Speaker 1: like a defensive end. I mean he looking he's looking
Speaker 1: like attack. Well remember he said he was trying to
Speaker 1: lose weight. Trying Yeah, he said, as he's a little heavy,
Speaker 1: but he's really excited about being here because he respects
Speaker 1: what Rod Rod Marinelli is his style of coach. And
Speaker 1: Mickey can attest this being a missourialum. Coney Ely was
Speaker 1: an upfield player on the edge, attack the edge, attack
Speaker 1: the edge, attack the edge. So if they could get
Speaker 1: coney Eely back to that level where he was at Carolina,
Speaker 1: where he wasn't at acting player instead of a read
Speaker 1: you know, like a read hold the point read react
Speaker 1: kind of a guy. His game's built more like Nick's
Speaker 1: talking about up the field play maybe the three technique,
Speaker 1: get inside, and I could say I'm moving inside absolutely,
Speaker 1: pass Rusher, maybe out Nickel absolutely, depending on how things
Speaker 1: play out absolute the right defense events fine, ye, which
Speaker 1: we have no clue other than Tyrone Crawford, right yeah,
Speaker 1: and then what happens. Yeah, he looks better than Madden,
Speaker 1: right yeah, Madden thing was a mess, but no he
Speaker 1: he I think, I think and we night, well they
Speaker 1: changed it though, you know, the slim him down. I wish,
Speaker 1: I wish Madden can do that to me, slim me down.
Speaker 1: But remember we were all when when the thing with
Speaker 1: with Randy Gregory started, we started hearing the word. We
Speaker 1: met with Rod Marinelli at the Star, Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: was very excited about the fact of his guys being
Speaker 1: those upfield players and he we, I mean one of
Speaker 1: us asked him about Crawford and remaking his body. He says, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, get guys up the field, up the field.
Speaker 1: Gopie Bulky, go get up the field. So yeah, that's
Speaker 1: kind of that's kind of I think Crawford is one
Speaker 1: of those guys. That kind of said, okay to me
Speaker 1: to play right in, I'm not gonna get eight ten sacks,
Speaker 1: but maybe I could get four or five sacks, but
Speaker 1: maybe I could be a little bit more, have a
Speaker 1: little bit more agility getting up the field and getting
Speaker 1: those sacks. That's one thing that I wish that fans
Speaker 1: would kind of recognize a little bit more. He got.
Speaker 1: He got the contract, and he gets viewed a lot.
Speaker 1: He gets beat up for the money that he makes.
Speaker 1: That contract was was supposed to be for a defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: and it was good money for defensive tackle. He gets
Speaker 1: moved out to end and you gotta remember his body
Speaker 1: moving up down ten pounds here, fifteen here, and he's
Speaker 1: not that edge rusher. So he's now getting compared to
Speaker 1: these edge rushers and he's not doing that. It was like,
Speaker 1: what a waste of money when in reality, you know
Speaker 1: he should be playing more inside and you're you're right, Brian,
Speaker 1: four to five sacks for him is really a good year,
Speaker 1: which is what he had last year, right, And we
Speaker 1: have to remember why he ended up at right defensive end.
Speaker 1: They couldn't stop the run if you remember the Denver game, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they needed him over there to stop the run,
Speaker 1: and they kind of calm that whole thing down after
Speaker 1: that game. So he served a great purpose. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is the thing. I'm not making apologies for a player
Speaker 1: because again, I think a lot of us out there
Speaker 1: we look at the money and say, it's not worth
Speaker 1: the money. It's not worth it to us to have
Speaker 1: that guy. Why is he here? Why not get rid
Speaker 1: of him, redo his contract. I wish people could sit
Speaker 1: down with us and watch tape. I wish you could
Speaker 1: sit down and watching people watch the game. I get it,
Speaker 1: But when you watch the All twenty two, there's things
Speaker 1: he does that in the old baseball is saying that
Speaker 1: doesn't show up on the box score. He does a
Speaker 1: lot of things that doesn't show up on the box score.
Speaker 1: If you look at some of the things with Sean
Speaker 1: Lee running into the football, it's because, like Mickey said,
Speaker 1: he's holding it up, he's allowing guys to get to
Speaker 1: the ball. He's working down inside, he's playing square in
Speaker 1: the gap. These are things that Rod Merinillian. Those guys
Speaker 1: are happy to have him, whereas Joe and Flower Mounds
Speaker 1: not so happy because they see a guy that should
Speaker 1: have you know, fifteen Sacks. It's the equivalent out here.
Speaker 1: What can we I'm always gonna use Joe and Flower
Speaker 1: moun or something like that, will there because somebody Vick
Speaker 1: and Ventura Vick. Yeah, I love it? Yeah? Can I officially? Can?
Speaker 1: I officially? I was like, what's the city, what's the
Speaker 1: what's the flower mound out? And I officially confirmed that
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory's here. Yes, you're gonna get some trouble. But
Speaker 1: than that, he's here. Okay, oh goody good. One more
Speaker 1: thing about him. That's why Micky's sitting in an angle.
Speaker 1: Keep it. I wanted to my job. I wanted to
Speaker 1: circle back to him. But one more thing on Crawford.
Speaker 1: The other thing about him and fans may I don't know.
Speaker 1: You may roll your eyes at this, but everybody's talking
Speaker 1: about leadership right because guys moving on, they're a younger
Speaker 1: football team. This is a guy that if you talk
Speaker 1: to the Marcus Lawrence credits Tyron Crawford with helping develop
Speaker 1: him along the way two boys guys, and then you
Speaker 1: talk to Taco Charlton, Tyron Crawford is a guy that
Speaker 1: comes up up helping these young guys get better and
Speaker 1: look at where DeMarcus Lawrence is right now, look at
Speaker 1: where Taco could go. You know, you know Lawrence is
Speaker 1: here too. Yeah, real quick, just just just the thought
Speaker 1: on on you know what you get with Crawford and
Speaker 1: I look at him as what he You know, you
Speaker 1: should be proud of the way he played with going
Speaker 1: through the shoulder of the problems. I mean, he's one
Speaker 1: of those guys you almost have to go get him
Speaker 1: off the field, right, you know. And there's a lot
Speaker 1: of things he does in in the locker room as
Speaker 1: far as the leadership you're talking about accountability of the
Speaker 1: players around him. He's bought into the program totally. But
Speaker 1: the fact that he lines up in plays hurt. And
Speaker 1: you don't ever hear about it. Now you hear about
Speaker 1: it when we do shows, you know, and you or
Speaker 1: you talk to me, it's like, yeah, I'm a little
Speaker 1: banged up, but you know, hey, nothing, I'll make it.
Speaker 1: Because there's there's a theory out there. Some guys not
Speaker 1: necessarily on this team anymore, but you know anymore, Right,
Speaker 1: you want to put bad tape on the field. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: guys that don't want to play hurt. Oh the king
Speaker 1: of bad tape is now in the division. So yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh so anyway, there's that as well, the component that
Speaker 1: makes him think, oh yeah, so if you go let's
Speaker 1: go back to Gregory real quick. Yeah, I've heard he's
Speaker 1: in great shape. It's about two hundred and forty five pounds,
Speaker 1: which when you think about when he was here previously
Speaker 1: before a suspension guy had trouble keeping weight on. Yes,
Speaker 1: great shape. You see what kind of condition he's in?
Speaker 1: What they're in? No hurry to find out what kind
Speaker 1: of condition he's what kind of what kind of expectations
Speaker 1: can you question twenty? I believe from thee I think
Speaker 1: we may just go down the list here until till
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock. Uh, what can Is it too early to
Speaker 1: try to put because you guys just mentioned a lot
Speaker 1: of new and and incumbent defensive ends that can be
Speaker 1: part of this rotation. He's got some competition here. Sure,
Speaker 1: What do you guys think for Gregory? Yeah? What can
Speaker 1: he what can he be for this team? And is
Speaker 1: he in competition for a job or do you think
Speaker 1: if if he shows enough, I don't think so. I
Speaker 1: don't think he may like is he on the fifty three? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I just think they put so much time and efforts
Speaker 1: to try to get him to this point. I think
Speaker 1: that he's gonna at least he's gonna get through, you know,
Speaker 1: this year. I think this year for sure. And to
Speaker 1: answer the question, I just think that, you know, when
Speaker 1: if he's out there and he's healthy and he can go,
Speaker 1: he gives you some freakish skills off the edge a
Speaker 1: little bit. I don't know if he's you know, like
Speaker 1: you said, holding the edge. I think it's third and
Speaker 1: eight and you get to that point, third and eight,
Speaker 1: third and nine. He's great to have out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're just gonna have to see what kind of
Speaker 1: shape he's in, because I thought I read his workouts
Speaker 1: and with the guy in California that he was working
Speaker 1: out what started when he petitioned the league for reinstatement
Speaker 1: some sixty days, so it wasn't like for two years
Speaker 1: he's been out there busting his butt. Yeah, my guess is,
Speaker 1: and you know, when guys work out on their own,
Speaker 1: they don't never work out like they're working out here.
Speaker 1: So I just think they're gonna be very cautious with
Speaker 1: him to start and kind of judge maybe what kind
Speaker 1: of shapes he in before they even let him the
Speaker 1: conditioning test. Rob. I'll take the counterpoint of this. They
Speaker 1: went point, I'll go counter. I don't think he's guaranteed
Speaker 1: a roster spot. And and I understand what they're saying
Speaker 1: about all the work and stuff like that. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of the work it was behind the scenes
Speaker 1: where they have Do they have contact with him? They
Speaker 1: weren't supposed to, but you know, there's things that you
Speaker 1: can probably do, try and help whatever. But with all
Speaker 1: the competition at the position, I don't think it, you know.
Speaker 1: And the sad thing about it is he doesn't have
Speaker 1: practice squad eligibility. I was told, yeah, so well he
Speaker 1: shouldn't he played. But I'm saying, though, if they don't
Speaker 1: have if he can't make this team, if if they
Speaker 1: keep him as the fifty third guy over a Coney
Speaker 1: Eely or a Charles Tapper or somebody that has a
Speaker 1: better camp, shame on them for that. That's kind of
Speaker 1: where I was going is there's there's a long game
Speaker 1: here with him. But even all the time he's missed
Speaker 1: talking about change. I like how we're promoting all our
Speaker 1: series here twenty questions, point, counterpoint, let me just get change.
Speaker 1: My answer I saw them do do this with a
Speaker 1: tight end. Yes, last year, he might not make the team,
Speaker 1: he'll be around. Yeah, you're gonna you're using the old
Speaker 1: theory of like in the back of the day in
Speaker 1: the eighties where used to stash cats. He'll be around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't find him apartment. I just
Speaker 1: go far. No, I just somehow some list. There's a
Speaker 1: list for this, and he'll well, he'll be on it.
Speaker 1: If he's not. But I think he if I think
Speaker 1: he will, yeah, if he's If he I think if
Speaker 1: he's good enough, and this is just my thought. If
Speaker 1: he's good enough to make the fifty three, that's a
Speaker 1: great story. If he comes out here and is not
Speaker 1: as good and they just say, Okay, we're gonna force this,
Speaker 1: force this, force this. But then they come to Nick's realization,
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, he's got a concussion, he's got a
Speaker 1: bad shoulder, he's got something that we can you know,
Speaker 1: maybe that's the case. But I'm gonna disagree with one thing,
Speaker 1: with with what Nick said about potentially doing that, which
Speaker 1: I you know, I'm okay with as a former personnel guy.
Speaker 1: But we've already he's already sat out long enough. You know,
Speaker 1: he's already he's already sat out long enough. I mean
Speaker 1: he's been gone now what two years. Basically, there comes
Speaker 1: a point in time where you have to say, you
Speaker 1: know what, he's gonna move on. You have to move on,
Speaker 1: or my gosh, everything you did the last eighteen months
Speaker 1: was the right thing to do. Yeah. I think they're
Speaker 1: doing right by Randy Gregory to get him an opportunity
Speaker 1: to play well. And it's important. It's up to him
Speaker 1: to make the team to be fully reinstated. Whenever that
Speaker 1: becomes official. That's huge because he needs to get in
Speaker 1: preseason games and he needs to get to get his
Speaker 1: feet wet again on the field. He needs to have
Speaker 1: he needs to have four sees to have one sack
Speaker 1: of game playing in the fourth quarter against a kind
Speaker 1: of a half mediocre backup tackle. Yeah, get some confidence
Speaker 1: rush and then if you know, you get him going
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, and then you get that to
Speaker 1: the you know, maybe playing that whole Houston game at
Speaker 1: the end. Just but get him, get him going. But
Speaker 1: I think he has to make this team. I just
Speaker 1: don't think this is going to be a gift. And
Speaker 1: especially if Charles Tapper now here I'm saying about Charles Tapper,
Speaker 1: you don't have to cut a defensive end. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know. There's gonna be seven, seven guys and eight
Speaker 1: guys inactive on game day. Ring will be on the
Speaker 1: suspended list for the first month. So that's I'm just saying, though,
Speaker 1: it depends on you because you're gonna have to carry it.
Speaker 1: You're going to carry the third quarterback. Okay, how many
Speaker 1: extra receivers are you gonna carry? Six? How many tight
Speaker 1: ends are gonna carry three? See, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: What if what if all of a sudden, the guy
Speaker 1: that Nick's talking about does have a good camp. What
Speaker 1: if Rico gathers? Yeah, what if Freco Gathers makes this team?
Speaker 1: What if Rico? What if they don't want to? What's
Speaker 1: the upside? Who do they got more invested? Who's the
Speaker 1: up what's the upside between those two guys. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out. Well, if one of them
Speaker 1: and we don't know, that's why we're here. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: I think the one, I would rather have to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, because I think he could help the
Speaker 1: team if he's on his game. Is Randy Gregory. I
Speaker 1: don't know if Freco Gathers, but I look at this though,
Speaker 1: is if Rico Gathers has a similar training camp to
Speaker 1: how he had last year, he's going to be a
Speaker 1: consideration for the fifty three. So what's your numbers? What's
Speaker 1: your numbers? If you're if you're you, Mickey, you're very
Speaker 1: adamant about that, and I'm with you, carry three tight
Speaker 1: ends go forward. But there might be something where there's
Speaker 1: some positions where they're gonna have to say, Okay, well
Speaker 1: what about that fourth who's the fourth safety? Right now?
Speaker 1: It's Huff? You know, do you want to go into
Speaker 1: that you want to go to season with Huff being
Speaker 1: your fourth safety? I mean they might have to make
Speaker 1: some moves to and carry extra safeties just because they
Speaker 1: don't trust who they had is the third and fourth guy.
Speaker 1: If he's playing, you are talking about roster talking, he's
Speaker 1: playing in four in the fourth quarter of four preseason games, yeah,
Speaker 1: he'll have four sacks. I'm with you. I'm with you
Speaker 1: on that. I'll just go ahead and say, feeling dot Com,
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope you're absolutely because if he and
Speaker 1: then what happens after that? If Yeah, he was Lawrence
Speaker 1: Taylor two years ago and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you know, he was. If he if he gets a
Speaker 1: sack of if Taylor, if he gets said Jake Taylor
Speaker 1: from Jake Taylor, couldn't cut it. But if if he
Speaker 1: if he has a sack of game in four preseason games,
Speaker 1: he makes his fifty three. Yeah, if he, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: with you, guys, if he shows enough of I've been
Speaker 1: off eighteen months, but I can help this team at
Speaker 1: some point. Yeah, they've invested so much, and obviously we
Speaker 1: haven't even talked about the programs and protocols in place
Speaker 1: for him off the field to maintain his eligibility, and
Speaker 1: he's got to follow those and if he does, if
Speaker 1: he takes one step off the road, he's done with
Speaker 1: football for the rest of his life in the NFL.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, very very likely. Or it's like being on
Speaker 1: the balance beam in gymnastics. Got to be able to
Speaker 1: walk it. I love the analogy. All Right, we've we've
Speaker 1: hit Randy Gregory for a good half hour or so.
Speaker 1: Let's uh, let's talk some other stuff. I don't think
Speaker 1: we're taking breaks here. I think we're going right up hill.
Speaker 1: Prescott the Draft show. Yeah, there's another one just to
Speaker 1: draft show. There we go promote the draft show that's
Speaker 1: coming up in a few months as well. Did you
Speaker 1: bring your Tommy Johns to training camp? I did? I
Speaker 1: got him on right now, Beck, Brian, you're gonna get
Speaker 1: cow buzz in here. Somehow may get cow buzz in there.
Speaker 1: Check it out. It's up on the side, right one,
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, there was a couple of there. We
Speaker 1: got some good cow buzzing. He was great. Okay, before
Speaker 1: we get to draft, we got to see what this
Speaker 1: team can do on the field and the expectations of
Speaker 1: this football team. I guess I'm just gonna go with
Speaker 1: a broad macro view here. What what do you think
Speaker 1: of the expectations of this football team as we lead
Speaker 1: into a state of the Union for a team and
Speaker 1: when nine and seven last year, with some injuries, with
Speaker 1: some suspensions, didn't make the playoffs? What do you think
Speaker 1: the field the buzzes around this football team right now,
Speaker 1: from them around them and the outside Because I don't
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people from the outside
Speaker 1: are given this team a lot of a lot of love,
Speaker 1: to be honest, Yeah, I think though the outsides got
Speaker 1: them nine and seven, and they're firing the head coach. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's problem. That's pretty popular, I think just because of
Speaker 1: the turnover on this roster and Jason Garrett's admitted, Look,
Speaker 1: we've got three guys on the team that are thirty
Speaker 1: year older. It's young, it's it's unproven in some spots,
Speaker 1: but they are getting back some key guys, hopefully for
Speaker 1: a full season. Zekiel Elliott and the running game and
Speaker 1: all that. That's their formulas still right to try to
Speaker 1: get this thing done right at one time, and Mickey
Speaker 1: has beat the drum about this. If you looked at
Speaker 1: what they were able to do offensively leading up until
Speaker 1: the suspension, there were twenty eight point games, thirty three
Speaker 1: point games, forty point game. You know, I think that's
Speaker 1: what they want to get back to. They want to
Speaker 1: get back to that team that beat the Kansas City
Speaker 1: Chiefs before Ezekiel Elliott went out. That was a team
Speaker 1: that was did not other than the one big play
Speaker 1: before half, you know that the that they made that
Speaker 1: Hill made before half. They didn't give up a big
Speaker 1: play in that game. They didn't. They they were they
Speaker 1: were sound on defense, They ran the football a guy
Speaker 1: like Terrence Williams was nine targets, nine receptions. You know,
Speaker 1: they were getting people involved. I think that's the type
Speaker 1: of football they want to play and they're capable of
Speaker 1: playing that way. Will the schedule they'll allow them, and
Speaker 1: you don't know that. I think it's a very difficult one.
Speaker 1: I think going you know, having to play the NFC South,
Speaker 1: it's going to be difficult for him. You know, road games,
Speaker 1: when you get that, when you got to go to
Speaker 1: Carolina to start the year, I think that's gonna be
Speaker 1: very difficult. And then you got the AFC South. You know,
Speaker 1: Jacksonville has much improved playoff team, championship team. You look
Speaker 1: at Houston, They're not going to be as bad. Watson
Speaker 1: will be healthy. I mean there's some there's some potential
Speaker 1: pitfalls down the road, but they've got to find ways
Speaker 1: to get back to what they were really good at.
Speaker 1: Running the football, protecting the quarterback, uh, not giving up
Speaker 1: big plays, and playing really good in the red zone
Speaker 1: and then being on offense being good in the red zone.
Speaker 1: That's the recipe for winning. They could beat anybody in
Speaker 1: the league when they play like they did against Kansas City,
Speaker 1: because that's kind of a complete game for them, Yeah,
Speaker 1: best best game in the year. And you know, but
Speaker 1: then again, they're capable looking like they did against the
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Chargers on Thanksgiving, you know, giving up big plays,
Speaker 1: not protecting, not running the football. If that's the team
Speaker 1: you get, yeah, you're gonna have a lot of problems.
Speaker 1: But I think they're closer to the Kansas City team
Speaker 1: myself than I do the team that played against the
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Chargers. You know, the good thing about all
Speaker 1: those teams, you said they got to play, so does
Speaker 1: everybody else in the NFC. No, No, that's and that's
Speaker 1: gonna make it difficult to not forget that. No. No,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that an't gonna have some difficulty too.
Speaker 1: I'm sure on Jaguar right now they're saying, well, hey,
Speaker 1: you got to play the NFC East. Now they're probably saying, oh,
Speaker 1: we get to play the Cowboys. Well that's a that's
Speaker 1: a trip they have to make. You know, they have
Speaker 1: to come and you just play the games that are there.
Speaker 1: But if again, this team is very capable of playing
Speaker 1: like they did every week against Kansas City. They're capable
Speaker 1: of that offensive line, play protection, receivers, getting open, preventing
Speaker 1: big plays, playing well in the red zone, getting a
Speaker 1: turnover to kill the game at the end, Terrence Williams
Speaker 1: catching the ball to get a first down and stay
Speaker 1: and bounce to keep the clock going. They're capable of
Speaker 1: that kind of play minus to play at the end
Speaker 1: of a half. That's exactly right, which I use as
Speaker 1: an example for the new kickoff rule, with the head
Speaker 1: coach saying, you know, when you have big spaces like
Speaker 1: that and you get a player like Tavon Austin, you
Speaker 1: kind of end up with maybe that play at the
Speaker 1: end of half. I was trying to be funny. He
Speaker 1: didn't think it was funny, no, but he agreed with me. Well,
Speaker 1: that's that's my expectation as team, you know, my expectation
Speaker 1: that there could be some growing pains at left guard.
Speaker 1: We've talked about it. I think I think, I think
Speaker 1: all our eyes and we're gonna, you know, have compete
Speaker 1: period out here, and you're gonna get to see Connor
Speaker 1: Williams go up and get some of these defensive tackles,
Speaker 1: you know, and we'll see that. But I think there'll
Speaker 1: be some growing pains. The great thing that I'm excited
Speaker 1: about this team as the rookies that they've added, because
Speaker 1: they've been able to watch them as drafted players. But
Speaker 1: they've been in. They've been at the Star the whole
Speaker 1: time they've been in. They've been at the Star every
Speaker 1: time I look out the window, they're out there working out.
Speaker 1: You know, they're maturing, they're getting better, they're getting you know,
Speaker 1: they're getting physically, they're getting stronger, they're getting in shape,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna rely on a lot of these kids
Speaker 1: to have to play. You know, Michael Gallup is going
Speaker 1: to have to go out there and find a way
Speaker 1: to beat Terrence Williams out of his job. I don't
Speaker 1: think Terrence Williams is gonna let him have the job.
Speaker 1: But that's good. Let Michael Gallup go out there, Let
Speaker 1: him go compete. Let Connor Williams, you know, learn at
Speaker 1: left guard a little bit, you know. But again, there
Speaker 1: could be some some a little bit growing pains with you.
Speaker 1: But if there's growing pains there, I think they've got alternatives. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think they have to move anybody around. Sure,
Speaker 1: I don't think they have to sit there and watch
Speaker 1: him fumble around. If he can't do it right, They've
Speaker 1: got backups that have played in the league that can
Speaker 1: actually step in there, guarantee you they'll play as well
Speaker 1: as Jonathan Cooper. Yeah, that's that's the key. They went
Speaker 1: through last year thinking Okay, we're okay now and then
Speaker 1: and I give him credit for this, because sometimes when
Speaker 1: you're getting that personnel side of it, you're thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll be fine, we'll be okay, we'll be fine. And
Speaker 1: they think that and something happens disastrous, like that run
Speaker 1: that they had in Atlanta, and it's like, Okay, we
Speaker 1: need to do something different. And that's the sign of
Speaker 1: somebody that you just don't beat your head against the wall.
Speaker 1: You find a way to say, Okay, let's go out
Speaker 1: and get a capable swing tackle. Let's go out and
Speaker 1: draft a capable left guard. Jerry said at the draft
Speaker 1: press conference. Why Connor Williams is here, Yeah, Atlanta, Let's
Speaker 1: draft a Layton Vanderis, who's got a physical who's got
Speaker 1: the physical presence to play as a mike linebacker. Let's
Speaker 1: figure out what we need to do. Jalen Smith being healthy.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of positive things that are going to
Speaker 1: be in this camp. It's just got to all kind
Speaker 1: of come together and some of these guys can't have
Speaker 1: bad days. You know, the guys that are the consistent ones.
Speaker 1: As we talk about these practices, consistent guy, consistent guy, consistent,
Speaker 1: those will be your fifty three players. Some of these
Speaker 1: guys will find a way to cut themselves out here.
Speaker 1: They will cut themselves because of not being consistent, not
Speaker 1: playing well in preseason games, and that's that may will
Speaker 1: make your team better. Nick, how do you size this
Speaker 1: whole thing? That was our top question on twenty questions
Speaker 1: yesterday as we flew out here. I think this is
Speaker 1: a good football team, honestly, I really do. I think
Speaker 1: that when you look at what they came back from
Speaker 1: last year, Um, if they can, they obviously have to
Speaker 1: stay healthy, and I think they've done a good job.
Speaker 1: There are three main injuries or setbacks they had last year,
Speaker 1: or Zeke, Tyrant, smish on Lee and whatever order you want.
Speaker 1: They they've they've upgraded the tackle position, They've upgraded linebacker.
Speaker 1: They're just counting on Zeke kind of being Zeke. I
Speaker 1: don't think they've really added like a true backup if
Speaker 1: he goes down or maybe well you know better, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you'll see it, you know, right. They figured out things
Speaker 1: in that Giants game. I think this is a pretty
Speaker 1: good football team. I really do. I think you're sitting
Speaker 1: you're right there at the nine and seven, eight and eight.
Speaker 1: You got to get two wins to get above that.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be about four games this year that go
Speaker 1: one way or another. They it's got to go your way.
Speaker 1: The only thing that I'm I'm not worried about. I'm
Speaker 1: just thinking we'll see it. I want to see Dan
Speaker 1: Bailey because these games come down to field goals at
Speaker 1: extra points, good point, and I think it'll be fine.
Speaker 1: But we need to see that and he needs to
Speaker 1: show it. But I really do think this is a
Speaker 1: good football team because every time they play those at
Speaker 1: offensive line and Zekiel Elliott should be an advantage. And
Speaker 1: if you can run the ball and do those things
Speaker 1: and just enough of a passing game to kind of
Speaker 1: get them off you a little bit. I think they
Speaker 1: can win every single I mean I can win every game.
Speaker 1: I think they can win every game. I was gonna
Speaker 1: ask you guys, though, when well, who was all part
Speaker 1: of the are you closer to Philadelphia or not? Who
Speaker 1: was part of that twenty question? I wasn't in that question.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the question, it's the it's the talent of
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I don't think yeah, we weren't on that one.
Speaker 1: I was on it. And yeah, how close to the
Speaker 1: Eagles as far as personnel one? What did you say
Speaker 1: on that one? I kind of felt like that they were, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I went matchups, but you know, you're you're some of
Speaker 1: the key spots though you're looking at quarterback. At one
Speaker 1: time you thought, yeah, pretty close, and then you know
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz had an MVP but Dax had an MVP
Speaker 1: type season as well. Offensive lines, man, it could be,
Speaker 1: but you know, defensively, I think that's where they've got
Speaker 1: right now, at least defensively across the front seven. I
Speaker 1: think that the Eagles are probably a little bit better
Speaker 1: the Cowboys maybe a corner a little bit better, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's not as the gap between the two to
Speaker 1: me is not huge. I mean if it was, if
Speaker 1: it was huge, I would say, Okay, this team will
Speaker 1: be the Eagles are gonna be twelve and four in
Speaker 1: Dallas is nine. I didn't think Philadelphia was answering that
Speaker 1: question the year before. Oh no, I'm with you. See
Speaker 1: how vast change they then they did some really good things.
Speaker 1: They Yeah, they had some guys hit they had and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are very capable of some of their draft
Speaker 1: picks doing exactly. You know, the Eagles had a fifth
Speaker 1: round offensive tackle step in for a Pro Bowl left tackle,
Speaker 1: So you have to have some good things happen, and
Speaker 1: you know, they got in their in their coach obviously
Speaker 1: handled things well at the end of the year with
Speaker 1: their quarterback. I think thirty to fifty three on the
Speaker 1: on the roster, that's where I think teams like the
Speaker 1: Patriots and the Eagles always in the Steelers sometimes they
Speaker 1: always kind of get you there because because yes, the
Speaker 1: injuries happened, and how do you sustain them and all that.
Speaker 1: Talent wise, I mean, you can line the Browns up
Speaker 1: and and and the Bucks and the Cowboy and everybody
Speaker 1: up and they're gonna be great right off the top,
Speaker 1: great right, awesome players. As you start getting up to
Speaker 1: fifty three, that's where the Eagles and I think they
Speaker 1: do a good job. That's what that's that's why when
Speaker 1: you're looking at this team, a, yeah, Tyren Smith will
Speaker 1: be great, but it's Cam Fleming, is Marcus Martin or
Speaker 1: the tight ends these guys exactly, something's gonna happen. And
Speaker 1: and you know Layton vander esh yesh Lincoln spoke to
Speaker 1: us yesterday and said, look, I've got to stay healthy.
Speaker 1: He it's been an issue for him. So they've they've
Speaker 1: tried to address depth at spots where they know they
Speaker 1: can't afford to lose guys, so they got backs who
Speaker 1: want to play. That's fair. Well, I was gonna go
Speaker 1: to that because I think he's right. Well, you're right.
Speaker 1: I was with Brian. I don't think and to your point, Mick,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that big a gap. I think
Speaker 1: every year the NFC East, there's there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of margin for error between these teams. And we saw
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys did. They bounced back in twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: Eagles did. They were kind of mirrors of each other
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. So we'll see. I think
Speaker 1: if they can line up and run the football like
Speaker 1: they normally do, they can they can have that formula
Speaker 1: for success that they've always had. Even though the Eagles
Speaker 1: have done a nice job. I mean, trade for Michael
Speaker 1: Bennett that helps their defense out, we'll see. I was
Speaker 1: just gonna say you're talking about corners this year. You know,
Speaker 1: you got some young guys coming in, you know, coming
Speaker 1: into their second year. I think we're sitting here next year,
Speaker 1: twelve months from here, I think I think you got
Speaker 1: the two best corners in football, the best cornerback duo
Speaker 1: in football. Wow, I really think so. No, I mean,
Speaker 1: right now, we'll see if that they got to play out.
Speaker 1: But I think we're sitting here if we fast forward
Speaker 1: twelve months, I think Cheeto and Jordan Lewis, I think
Speaker 1: the two are gonna be this is the best combination
Speaker 1: of corners in the NFL. I really think so. And
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis is in a spot right now where he's
Speaker 1: been that second team battling for spot duty. But he's
Speaker 1: no doubt a talented young player. That guy's gonna be.
Speaker 1: Do you kind of see him then taking over You're
Speaker 1: gonna go on, just go on that ledge and say
Speaker 1: he's gonna take over the right corner spot. That something's
Speaker 1: gonna happen with Byron Jones. I mean I'm not saying something.
Speaker 1: I mean like he's gonna outplay Byron Jones. So I think, Mickey,
Speaker 1: you're down that line, aren't you. I just said, I
Speaker 1: gotta see it. Yeah, Byron Jones hasn't played corners since
Speaker 1: he was a rookie, right, and I don't. It was
Speaker 1: only four games, didn't play that well, so you know
Speaker 1: the body size says, Oh he's gonna be great. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The new technique they're gonna use it cornerback gives him
Speaker 1: an opportunity. Right now, you gotta see it. Let's let's go.
Speaker 1: It seems like they've kind of taken Jordan Lewis and
Speaker 1: maybe thrown him out with the trash a little bit.
Speaker 1: Though he was he was a guy. It was your
Speaker 1: starter at right, owner and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Chris Richard group comes in. Well somebody's got to play
Speaker 1: in the slot. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. No,
Speaker 1: I don't. If you look at with the way the
Speaker 1: OTAs in the mini camp were rolling out, it was
Speaker 1: there was Anthony Brown well that they were kind of
Speaker 1: sharing it. There's there's time, to your point, there's time
Speaker 1: to earn jobs. Yeah. Yeah, so we'll see. But where
Speaker 1: I was going because if he goes outside, then who's
Speaker 1: in the slot? Aw? You sold on Anthony Brown. See
Speaker 1: that's another question you have Anthony Brown was greatest rookie year,
Speaker 1: badest sophomore season. You're hopeful when they took him out
Speaker 1: of the starting rotation, he was actually playing a little
Speaker 1: bit better. You know. That's he came on the second half. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly when the after the after the Los Angeles Charger
Speaker 1: to Bacle and they said, okay, just throw the young kids.
Speaker 1: Finally the young kids were all healthy enough to all
Speaker 1: play together. They threw him out there and let him go,
Speaker 1: and it was a better group. I think the consensus
Speaker 1: maybe across this table is Cheeto health willing can take
Speaker 1: a step forward, maybe a major step forward. Because we
Speaker 1: saw him ball out in December. I think I think
Speaker 1: he's the best one you got in that secondary myself
Speaker 1: so where I was going and Mickey led me there. Defensively,
Speaker 1: what this team, what they can add to this team,
Speaker 1: because we've talked about Zeke in the running game, but quietly,
Speaker 1: this is a football team that was eighth and defense
Speaker 1: last year did a pretty nice job, had some struggles
Speaker 1: when Sean went out. Chris Rashard's impact and maybe these
Speaker 1: young guys taking a step forward, like you said, vander
Speaker 1: esh helping at linebacker, Maybe this defense help Smith, Maybe too.
Speaker 1: This might be a surprise defense too, if Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: is healthy and vander ash is what they think. Think
Speaker 1: about this. Damian Wilson's been the starter of the last
Speaker 1: two years of strong See we're going here. He may
Speaker 1: be a backup. I was That's exactly what I was thinking.
Speaker 1: So they've created a little bit of depth, right if
Speaker 1: if indeed those two things pan out, I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: And Joe Thomas hasn't been bad, and then and then
Speaker 1: march Lillard, justin march Liard weren't bad. They got a
Speaker 1: ton of reps in the OTA, so they could build
Speaker 1: a little depth there with those, with all those that linebacker.
Speaker 1: Maybe it went from a position of like, yeah, from
Speaker 1: a position that went from a big question mark too huh.
Speaker 1: This group's gonna potentially be all right though. And you know,
Speaker 1: when we were talking about the defensive end, we didn't
Speaker 1: even mention Dorence Armstrong or Taco Yeah. Yeah, and and
Speaker 1: so there you're right, there's kind of a bat. But
Speaker 1: you gotta have a backup on the left side. Sign Lawrence.
Speaker 1: I think he TACCOs. That guy, I think tacos are.
Speaker 1: I think tacos are left in and he hey, bring
Speaker 1: him off the bench, let him kind of get some
Speaker 1: work there, you know, let them other guys fight it out.
Speaker 1: Let that right in, fight it out. And if you
Speaker 1: if you're good enough to be part of what Nick
Speaker 1: was talking about, Mickey, the kicking guys in and out,
Speaker 1: nickel packages and stuff, that's a that's a sixty percent
Speaker 1: of the game as well. So if you can rush,
Speaker 1: go for it. You know you brought up Bailey, I
Speaker 1: guarantee you when they go to kicking drills, we're all
Speaker 1: marking it down again. For the last three or four
Speaker 1: years we went and took a break. We got water. Right,
Speaker 1: it's gonna make them. He might miss one out of ten,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some charting going now. We're gonna chart again,
Speaker 1: right exactly, just to see. Now he kicked well, it
Speaker 1: looked like in the in the OTAs and and he
Speaker 1: kicked what he's been kicking out there by himself. And
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be a lack of work because he
Speaker 1: goes out there with his six footballs, the little kicking
Speaker 1: tea and he kicks six and he goes and by himself,
Speaker 1: and he's been out there late at night, picks up
Speaker 1: the balls, or walks back starts again. So the key
Speaker 1: thing will be yeah, up here, you think it was
Speaker 1: like a golf swing for him when he came back
Speaker 1: from injury. They the routine, Yeah, out of his routine.
Speaker 1: I think that, yeah, yeah, and then you start you
Speaker 1: miss one and you start es doubting yourself and you
Speaker 1: know it's snowballs. So maybe the time off he gets
Speaker 1: back to being the Dan Bailey where when they get
Speaker 1: to kicking and h August twelfth or thirteenth, where go
Speaker 1: get our water. That's the point nobody's really brought up, Nick.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was among the twenty question. Maybe
Speaker 1: it was Dan Bailey yeah, and the kids, yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and getting that pays back. I think the question was
Speaker 1: is he the biggest bounce back player? And yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know anybody else needing a big bounce back. I
Speaker 1: know you talked a lot about you know, Cole Beasley
Speaker 1: needs to get back into that group. Um, But but
Speaker 1: you know there's some other guys that you know, I
Speaker 1: think he's the biggest one, but there there's there's a
Speaker 1: handful of players that you're like, you know, and maybe
Speaker 1: not from here, but I know Tavon Austin feels like
Speaker 1: he needs to bounce back in his career. And have
Speaker 1: you know last year wasn't his best year. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: it's funny. I'm considered thinking we've done this show now
Speaker 1: for probably forty five minutes. We haven't talked about Winton,
Speaker 1: and we haven't talked about Dez Bryant, and we haven't
Speaker 1: talked about the quarterback either. Real amazing in the passing game.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of you're sitting and you're thinking about
Speaker 1: coming to a coming to a training camp without Jason.
Speaker 1: I was on the on the on the charter getting
Speaker 1: ready to take off. I saw LP farther up the cabin,
Speaker 1: and I swear for a second I thought it was winning.
Speaker 1: I thought it was winning, And because it just used
Speaker 1: to see him, it's strange, not how many camps is
Speaker 1: this for you? I think this is the first one
Speaker 1: you've ever had without him. First one was three when
Speaker 1: he was a rookie third round pick. So yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's odd, no doubt. It is strange too that that
Speaker 1: that the two players that were probably this time last year,
Speaker 1: we probably couldn't talk enough about Dez Bran and what
Speaker 1: he could do. Jason Witten, you know, is it time
Speaker 1: to replace Witton? What do you know? You know, you
Speaker 1: know all that. So it's a it's amazing how this
Speaker 1: this this works, you know, with the with your roster.
Speaker 1: He really really one of the things that that I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing is is who replaces those two
Speaker 1: guys out here out here in the practice field. One
Speaker 1: thing about Dez you can say, what do you want
Speaker 1: about him? He rose the level of competition for everybody
Speaker 1: on that field. He would he'd come to practice, he'd
Speaker 1: bring it. He'd be talking smack out there. Then the
Speaker 1: DV dbs would come up, and I mean he brought
Speaker 1: that intensity Witton same way Whitten wouldn't. He would be
Speaker 1: talking trash as well. And so those two guys right there,
Speaker 1: you knew every day they were gonna bring it, and
Speaker 1: I think that really helped them practice. Who's gonna be
Speaker 1: that guy who's going to be the ass kicker out here? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna miss Witt And walking by training camp live
Speaker 1: and dropping an F bomb on us. You know that
Speaker 1: was that you're right in the middle of action. Remember
Speaker 1: when he told when he caught that pass on that
Speaker 1: safety had been a first round pick at another place.
Speaker 1: And he just yelled at the whole Media's like, get
Speaker 1: the scrub out of here. The guy had been a
Speaker 1: first round pick. H he was, he's you'll meet he's
Speaker 1: an as nice a guy as you'll ever meet, but
Speaker 1: he's he was kind of a lunatic out there on
Speaker 1: the field for fifteen years and a good way. I
Speaker 1: mean like he set the tone for this team. And
Speaker 1: you're right, I don't know des gets enough credit for
Speaker 1: that too. On the field, challenging guys, challenging the DBS.
Speaker 1: There's only one guy that's got enough cred to be
Speaker 1: the lunatic. But it doesn't pan out because there's not
Speaker 1: contact one on one with a running back. Yeah, Zeke
Speaker 1: could get people fired up. Yeah, but they're not gonna
Speaker 1: get the opportunity because number one, they're not gonna tackle.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit him right and let Yeah last year
Speaker 1: that was hanging over his head and right happened out here.
Speaker 1: He wasn't the same, hope, but he could stir He
Speaker 1: could stir things up. But if you think about everybody else,
Speaker 1: so we see it's gonna be a quiet camp. Well,
Speaker 1: I just don't see I don't see one of me.
Speaker 1: I want to I don't see one of those receivers
Speaker 1: having the personality or the cache. Yeah, go spike a
Speaker 1: ball at a DB's toe. I have a feeling it's
Speaker 1: gonna be the opposite way where guys like we talk
Speaker 1: about a wooz here. Maybe the defensive back. I see,
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see having those one on one periods.
Speaker 1: How much these defensive has a little bit in that
Speaker 1: that's got to do it. I saw a little bit
Speaker 1: of training camp. He's gotta do it. He's got to
Speaker 1: stop the drill and yell. And I saw him. Oh
Speaker 1: he can do That's aw him do it. Yelled at
Speaker 1: Chaz Green. But but are you gonna do it? Are
Speaker 1: you gonna do it? At Tyrn Smith? But but what
Speaker 1: he can't do is pick on the defense. I would, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the quarterback can't pick on the other side. One of
Speaker 1: these offensive guys to pick on the defens I'm gonna
Speaker 1: see like Lewis and those defensive backs start yelling at
Speaker 1: Dak and then draw him into the fray and then
Speaker 1: well they were already doing what I'm saying, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: their position coach gets a little fiery too. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: ye receivers. Yeah, So there's that element too. Christoph Shar's
Speaker 1: gonna bring it every day in practice too, from the
Speaker 1: sideline wearing his cleats, which how many coaches DC do that.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the wide receivers, right, yes, he did. You
Speaker 1: mentioned the wide receivers. Let's go, let's go there before
Speaker 1: we get out of here, and Dak obviously Okay, you're
Speaker 1: asking who's gonna bring the fire at receiver. Well, maybe
Speaker 1: maybe these guys are gonna have to because of the
Speaker 1: competition they're in. Brian. This nicely laminated roster that you
Speaker 1: gave me, it's got twelve receivers on it, and there's
Speaker 1: no there's there's no set role for any of these guys,
Speaker 1: including Cole Beasley. We know he's gonna be a key
Speaker 1: figure what they do, but where he lines up, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's really an unfinished situation that these guys have
Speaker 1: to earn roles of all the positions on this depth
Speaker 1: chart that you look at receivers. May I said earlier,
Speaker 1: I said, players find ways to cut themselves. The receivers
Speaker 1: that'll be the group. They will find their best five
Speaker 1: or six out of that group. Now they might have
Speaker 1: to go get it one off waivers or whatever, if
Speaker 1: it makes a difference. But that group that that is
Speaker 1: the one group that has to be consistent every day.
Speaker 1: You have to play with tired legs, You have to concentrate,
Speaker 1: you have to make plays. You can't have bad days.
Speaker 1: And if especially if you look at okay, we think
Speaker 1: you know with Beasley, Gallop, Herns. Oh, three guys, right,
Speaker 1: that's kind of that's kind of guys making the team.
Speaker 1: Maybe now now you're thinking about fourth guys that Terrence
Speaker 1: Williams is it? You know who who else is going
Speaker 1: to make I mean, they've got some other spots. Guaranteam
Speaker 1: contract them, have them make the team. Okay, well if
Speaker 1: that's if that's the case, then you've only got two
Speaker 1: more spots for the rest of those guys if you
Speaker 1: think about that. Yeah, but but somebody out of that
Speaker 1: group is going to elevate themselves. Uh, Noah Brown can
Speaker 1: elevate himself, or Noah Brown can cut himself. You know,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the position that I'm looking at is,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if I've ever seen this in
Speaker 1: any position ever on this team is tight end. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you look at the guys there. Could they cut a
Speaker 1: fourth round pick if he doesn't play well. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think you then that's the borderline. You know you
Speaker 1: would hood. I don't think they want to. There's not
Speaker 1: a lock out there. I'll tight end. There's not a lock.
Speaker 1: Nine career catches on that group right now, all by
Speaker 1: Jeff Swain, and it's nine more than us. Yeah, combined. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I've never had and we
Speaker 1: haven't had a chance media game count. Yeah right, but
Speaker 1: I no, no, absolutely, that's so wide open. It's the
Speaker 1: position that's always been seemed like, to me, the most stable.
Speaker 1: You don't even think of it. You never thought about
Speaker 1: it because number eighty two would come walking down with
Speaker 1: the ramp with his blue bands on his arm, and
Speaker 1: he's not going to do that. So now I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people I'm I'm really interested on the
Speaker 1: offensive side there, I really really am. I'm interested on
Speaker 1: the receivers and the tight ends. I think that those
Speaker 1: guys have got to find a way to have good days.
Speaker 1: They cannot have bad days because you have a bunch
Speaker 1: of bad days, they're gonna have somebody else in your spot.
Speaker 1: And we mentioned Terrence Williams briefly. We're not sure if
Speaker 1: he's a day one get practice guy right now, right
Speaker 1: coming off foot surgery. I am at some point he'll
Speaker 1: be ready. Yeah, I've been. I've been. You know. The
Speaker 1: great thing about officing at the Star is you can
Speaker 1: turn around and watch the field and seeing him run
Speaker 1: around out there, and I know they're gonna be cautious
Speaker 1: with him. I gotta be careful about that. But I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna play with a chip on his shoulder
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah. I think Terrence. I think Terrence has
Speaker 1: got enough in his gut. And I know people probably
Speaker 1: say that's not true, but I think he I think
Speaker 1: he sees what's going on. I think he's embarrassed by
Speaker 1: what happened, you know, in the off season. And I
Speaker 1: think that it would have said that. And if we
Speaker 1: hadn't pulled up in the parking lot yesterday and you
Speaker 1: saw the jokermobile, but the job, he's a car. Here's Paul.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you this though, I'll tell you this
Speaker 1: though he I think there's a lot I think this
Speaker 1: would be the chip on his shoulder. I think I
Speaker 1: think he'll be one of these guys when we get
Speaker 1: done in twenty five days talking about this camp and
Speaker 1: we won't put this thing to bed and I and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go on record. I think he's gonna have
Speaker 1: a really good camp. And if running straight ahead means anything,
Speaker 1: he was running really hard last week outside at the start,
Speaker 1: I mean really hard. Yeah. Yeah, Now, I didn't see
Speaker 1: a lot of cutting going on. I think there's something
Speaker 1: about him. If he's ready. We don't anticipate in any suspension, right,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't haven't heard anything about that. No,
Speaker 1: it could be a big big deal if if that
Speaker 1: did happen, because then you're talking about if he Yeah,
Speaker 1: well no, I'm guaranteeing he's gonna have a good year.
Speaker 1: And if he gets suspended, then I look like a jack,
Speaker 1: you know what. Yeah, well, if he gets I mean,
Speaker 1: they usually don't suspend you for stupidity maybe, you know.
Speaker 1: I think if they would have done it, they would
Speaker 1: have done it by now. Now we've seen some suspensions
Speaker 1: right before the season started. Remember always when we get
Speaker 1: the waiver wired, it's like, ah, earlier are eight games in? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see on that. Okay, we got a couple more minutes.
Speaker 1: Press conference is gonna get rolling here just in a
Speaker 1: few minutes. Jerry Stephen, Jason Garrett. I would imagine all
Speaker 1: the principles here. Let's touch on Dak real quick, because
Speaker 1: we've talked about the guys he's gonna be throwing too.
Speaker 1: Is it. What's the challenge? It seems like a big
Speaker 1: challenge for him or a big opportunity how you look
Speaker 1: at it. Big season for him. He wants to improve
Speaker 1: his own game, his footwork, accuracy, all those things, but
Speaker 1: he's also get on gotta get on the same page
Speaker 1: with these new guys he's try. It's kind of a
Speaker 1: double edged sword for him going into his third season. Guys,
Speaker 1: this is uh, you know, I've said it many times.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's no longer young quarterback anymore. As far
Speaker 1: as what guys are looking at him. Um, I think
Speaker 1: they made a decision between him and Dez and then
Speaker 1: they picked him. Um. I don't know if Witten's decision
Speaker 1: had anything to do with him, but they made it
Speaker 1: clear Dak Prescott is their quarterback. They're putting their eggs
Speaker 1: in his basket, and so they're making it friendly for
Speaker 1: him and all this stuff, and it's time for him
Speaker 1: to go make the place. I mean, this is it.
Speaker 1: He is not a no more grace period. You're the guy.
Speaker 1: You gotta go lead the team. Mickey loves that term.
Speaker 1: All he's got to do is play like he did
Speaker 1: the first eight games this season with Zeke on the field,
Speaker 1: and everybody forgets that. Yeah, but it's awfully good the
Speaker 1: first eight games, right. But we said this when he
Speaker 1: was a rookie. These guys come in the league and
Speaker 1: they take the league by storm. Are you gonna be
Speaker 1: Robert Griffin and Colin Kaepernick over here? Are you're gonna
Speaker 1: take it to another level and be better? And like
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson because they're trying to figure out Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: it's too as well, and they can they figured other
Speaker 1: guys out. I think they figured out that last year,
Speaker 1: I really do. I think they said, we're taking you're
Speaker 1: not getting any easy throws. We're not you're not giving
Speaker 1: you beasily and I give you got beat this over
Speaker 1: the top with Dez and he's gonna have to do that,
Speaker 1: I think. And I think, you know, Dez is not
Speaker 1: here because I think they felt like they could bring
Speaker 1: in guys that are on the same page with him
Speaker 1: more than he does. Were for some reason, they just
Speaker 1: I don't think they any problems off the field, but
Speaker 1: on the field they didn't seem to match. I think
Speaker 1: the X factor and all that is Michael Gallop. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty well. Could they need guys that could separate. They
Speaker 1: do need guys that could say its big enough. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If they find guys that could separate, that will help
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott again, get Cole Beasley going again. That's that's
Speaker 1: to me, that's gonna be the key the easy throws.
Speaker 1: But get Michael Gallup and those guys. You guys find
Speaker 1: guys that separate that then they get it done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and well that's true. And we we've watched Gallup in
Speaker 1: the offseason workouts, Mick, you and I. He shows flashes
Speaker 1: of a pretty explosive guy on the outside that can
Speaker 1: get open. And he kind of reminds me of Antonio
Speaker 1: Bryan a little bit the way he runs. You know
Speaker 1: what caught my attention. We were on the plane and
Speaker 1: I walked by him and he had stood up, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't realize he was that big.
Speaker 1: Yeah he is. I mean, what do they listen him
Speaker 1: at six six foot? Yeah, he's six foot what is it? Nick?
Speaker 1: I used to know the measurements right up. All right,
Speaker 1: that's pretty close. They're pretty good about that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just he was he seemed bigger when he wasn't out
Speaker 1: on the field with all the other guys. Maybe guys
Speaker 1: a good separate give him. Those guys have helped Dak
Speaker 1: And you know what, we don't seem to be in
Speaker 1: a hurry here. Well it's it's past eleven Pacific and
Speaker 1: we're still rolling. But no, I'm saying they're they're still conditioning.
Speaker 1: They are. Yeah, what does that mean? That means I
Speaker 1: don't think the press conference starts. Yeah, that it's gonna
Speaker 1: be at least fifteen minutes. Okay, so you guys keep
Speaker 1: going so we can make up for our fifteen minutes?
Speaker 1: Right's nick going? You think you guys want to ask
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett, Jerry Jones at this press conference? What would
Speaker 1: you like to know about this team as they head
Speaker 1: into what seventeen I think it's sixteen practices over the
Speaker 1: next three weeks out here? I would like to know.
Speaker 1: This is gonna sound really strange because I I you
Speaker 1: know there Stephen Jones likes to talk about the talent
Speaker 1: acquisition business. You got that from Parcels I wonder if
Speaker 1: they're really monitoring the situation with Earl Thomas. I wonder
Speaker 1: if they're looking at that and saying, is that something, Mickey?
Speaker 1: You think? Is that a back burner? Is that even
Speaker 1: not a possibility? Should Brian shut up even talking about it?
Speaker 1: But no, I think they keep their I think they
Speaker 1: keep their eye on it. But I think what everybody
Speaker 1: forgets is everybody's looking at it and go, yeah, you
Speaker 1: give him a second round pick, give them the third
Speaker 1: round pick. Do you want to give yeah, him fourteen
Speaker 1: million dollars a year. I'm gonna try for three years
Speaker 1: and guarantee them thirty million of it. I'm gonna try,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna try and do what I did with
Speaker 1: the quarterback in Minnesota. I'm gonna give him a three
Speaker 1: year deal at thirteen million dollars and guarantee the whole contract.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna But do you want to do that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I do. With somebody that's that old. I'm not worried.
Speaker 1: I think he's playing it. I think he still plays
Speaker 1: at a high level. I think he can help. I
Speaker 1: think he's physical note back there that he could still
Speaker 1: help in the in the running game stuff. I just
Speaker 1: like the fact that this is my this is my argument, Nikki.
Speaker 1: When Shawn Lee goes out the defense, I don't think
Speaker 1: they have anybody that holds that defense together. And I
Speaker 1: think that I think Earl Thomas can hold this defense
Speaker 1: together if something happens to Shawn Lee, and I think
Speaker 1: he could give you help in the middle of the defense.
Speaker 1: It's like I say, if you get improvement. Now, we
Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen to defensive tackle, but
Speaker 1: you look at the good defenses. You know, Mike Linebacker
Speaker 1: could be, Jalen Smith could be, Vandersch could get a
Speaker 1: good thing there. If you have a real, true free safety,
Speaker 1: and if you pair him with Jeff Heath, you allow
Speaker 1: you to do some things with Jeff Heath if you
Speaker 1: want to do him, because Jeff Jeff He's shown he
Speaker 1: can make He's capable of making plays. But I feel
Speaker 1: like though that if when you do lose Shawn Lee,
Speaker 1: you don't have somebody that kind of keeps the defense
Speaker 1: on track. And I'm willing to take a shot at
Speaker 1: a veteran player that I think still has some elite
Speaker 1: skill to his game, and I'm gonna pay him. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna pay him for three years until I can find
Speaker 1: a better solution for that, and and and then who
Speaker 1: are you willing to forfeit to put that money towards
Speaker 1: him compared to somebody else. I don't know that's going
Speaker 1: to need to be paid. I don't know the next year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know the total cap situation. But I got
Speaker 1: my I'm I'm looking at I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: that if if Lawrence plays well enough, I think that
Speaker 1: they will try their very best to sign him. Okay,
Speaker 1: and I think you gotta sign Dak. I now, you gotta.
Speaker 1: Then you gotta give you gotta Dak one more year? Right?
Speaker 1: Do you got him on his fourth year? So right
Speaker 1: after this sea? Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: And then Zeke, Yeah, I'm not, I'm not. I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm looking at Zeke as a long term guy here,
Speaker 1: because this is how I look at Zeke. You got
Speaker 1: him for the fifth year option, right, Yeah, correct about that?
Speaker 1: But that cat that caught, right, But then you pay
Speaker 1: him that and then if you want to franchise him
Speaker 1: and then you could say move on. I understand that,
Speaker 1: but those are probably fourteen fifteen million dollars contracts for
Speaker 1: one year. I think that the way that you if
Speaker 1: it's the market, we'll see what the market ends up
Speaker 1: to being with the running back. But I am trying
Speaker 1: right now. If I'm Jason Garrett, I am trying right
Speaker 1: now to win football games, and I think the best
Speaker 1: way to do that is to get players that I
Speaker 1: know I can rely on back there, that I can
Speaker 1: know that I could put my I could hang my
Speaker 1: hat on Earl Thomas and say, Okay, he's gonna solidify
Speaker 1: my defense. He's gonna help him. Sean Lee, you know,
Speaker 1: de Marcus Lawrence. Give me as many of those guys
Speaker 1: that have the ability to turn games around, then why
Speaker 1: do you think Seattle's reticent on giving him? I think
Speaker 1: fourteen million dollars a year. I think John. I think
Speaker 1: John wants to And I haven't talked to John Snyder
Speaker 1: and John is a dear friend of mine, but I
Speaker 1: haven't talked to him about this, and he won't talk
Speaker 1: to me about Earl Thomas. He won't do it. But
Speaker 1: if if I had to, I think John wants to
Speaker 1: retool his team. I think he's I think he's willing
Speaker 1: to move on from the team as it is. You know,
Speaker 1: make some roster moves. His draft was kind of a
Speaker 1: little bit different, and he took some guys that I
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have taken myself where he took him. But
Speaker 1: my knowing John, he's just gonna remake his defense is
Speaker 1: what he's gonna try and do. And he, you know,
Speaker 1: he's comfortable. I don't me personally, I don't think that.
Speaker 1: I don't think Earl Thomas sits out games. Earl Thomas
Speaker 1: is not going to sit out. No, he's not. So
Speaker 1: so John John's saying, Okay, if you sit out games,
Speaker 1: you're leaving money on the table. Johnson Johnson. Now John's
Speaker 1: gonna make a determination does he want a second or
Speaker 1: third round pick in this draft or does he want
Speaker 1: one in two thousand and twenty that's where he had
Speaker 1: because he's gonna get a third round pick of Earl
Speaker 1: Thomas takes off and walks. So I just think that
Speaker 1: to me, if you're a team that's trying to do
Speaker 1: things and be proactive, I'm I'm I'm making that call.
Speaker 1: What do you feel about? How do you feel about?
Speaker 1: And I respect what you're saying, I really really do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And there's always the financial commonents everything in the NFL.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about what they have right now
Speaker 1: at safety? Because we talked about the corners, but that's
Speaker 1: we haven't really talked about Xavier Woods, who's probably right
Speaker 1: now penciledana is that free safety? He is? And then
Speaker 1: you've got Cavon Frasier, I think entering his third year.
Speaker 1: I think that's the one position where you have really
Speaker 1: the most questions. Well, they don't. I don't think they
Speaker 1: have after Xavier Woods as a free safety. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's anybody behind him. Yeah, that's that you would say,
Speaker 1: let's go. Yeah, I mean he has played both. You'd
Speaker 1: rather him. They like Heath to play from depth because
Speaker 1: that way he can use what we saw on our
Speaker 1: you know, on our tail of the tape where he
Speaker 1: could see range run. That's where that's when, Yeah, when
Speaker 1: you play him down and in all Actually, yeah, now
Speaker 1: you trust Jeff Heath to go make a game saving play.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you necessarily trust Xavier Woods to
Speaker 1: go make a game saving play. Coaches will tell you
Speaker 1: on this team, the safeties are interchangeable. Is that fair?
Speaker 1: Because like you guys are saying, different safeties have different
Speaker 1: skill sets where you're comfortable playing them. So are they
Speaker 1: all interchangable? Well, it depends on how you're interchanging. Because
Speaker 1: if you talk to Chris Richard, he's telling you that
Speaker 1: Woods is a single safety hide that can go sideline
Speaker 1: to sideline. So he's got that image in his mind
Speaker 1: right now, right that this kid can do that. Now,
Speaker 1: how well we're gonna find out here real soon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's It's there's no question he's you know, he was
Speaker 1: thrown out there in the Nickels situation and showed up
Speaker 1: pretty well. But I I say, I'm I'm trying to say,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to if it meant for me to to
Speaker 1: solidify the spot, that's what I'm trying to do with
Speaker 1: with by signing Earl Thomas. I think trading for I
Speaker 1: think it Xavier Woods may make the decision for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys Bingo. I think you're onto something there because if
Speaker 1: he plays well, then they're sitting there going, okay, we
Speaker 1: can They can't. They can't have questions at at three
Speaker 1: of the spots, like they can't have questions They know
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath can play well, but they can't have questions
Speaker 1: at the back of at at the starting spot. Next
Speaker 1: to him and the other three that you can't. And
Speaker 1: I said it earlier. You know, we're gonna learn a
Speaker 1: lot about Huff here. You know, Huff is now your question.
Speaker 1: More question, Huff is your fourth safety on the roster
Speaker 1: because you don't want Cavan Frasier playing single safety high, No,
Speaker 1: you don't. He's got to be closer to the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. Yeah, and special teams absolutely, that's what he is.
Speaker 1: He's a special teams player. Let's say they let's focus
Speaker 1: right now there ahead. Yeah, yeah, I'm not this is
Speaker 1: my opinion on that. This is not I'm not taking
Speaker 1: Will mcclay's opinion or Jerry Jones's opinion or Stephen Jones
Speaker 1: on on the situation. If it was me and I
Speaker 1: was in that personnel office, I would argue for a
Speaker 1: reason why, and then Will Will could say if Brian stops,
Speaker 1: sit down, you know, get away, you know. But I
Speaker 1: would if if I was Uh, if I was Alex Loomis,
Speaker 1: or if I was Henry Schroka or you know, or
Speaker 1: Judd Garrett, whoever, I would I would say, why are
Speaker 1: we not thinking about this? Why are we not? And
Speaker 1: to Mickey's point, it could be we could get two
Speaker 1: weeks into this thing and they say, you know what,
Speaker 1: there's not a good solution behind there's we got one
Speaker 1: safety and three others that can't really play, So maybe
Speaker 1: we need to go do something to make him. I
Speaker 1: just think everybody needs to remember there's there's there's two
Speaker 1: parts to this Oh Thomas thing. I know John, I
Speaker 1: know the way John thinks. But I again, he will
Speaker 1: not talk to me about Earl Thomas. So if they
Speaker 1: if they agree on compensation, then do the Cowboys get
Speaker 1: permission to talk to his agent. That's the only way
Speaker 1: I would do this deal. And I think I think
Speaker 1: we were close because I don't want a guy on
Speaker 1: a one year deal, right, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you're gonna you're the only way you make this trade
Speaker 1: is if you say we want to talk now, we'll
Speaker 1: see how much Earl Thomas really wants to play in Dallas.
Speaker 1: If Earl Thomas doesn't want to play and he tries
Speaker 1: to hold yet for fifteen million dollars a year, then
Speaker 1: you could say, no, we're not gonna go play with
Speaker 1: the Raiders. Yeah go play, Yeah, go play with the Raiders,
Speaker 1: or go play in Seattle for twelve million dollars a
Speaker 1: year now, Stephen reference this. I think on draft weekend,
Speaker 1: a plan B in house. You know, folks on the
Speaker 1: guys they have in house. Yeah, they have guys on
Speaker 1: this roster with flexibility to play corner or safety. You
Speaker 1: please don't take Cheeto, Who's gonna be a good corner
Speaker 1: and playing at safety? And I know you're tired of
Speaker 1: moving Byron Jones around? Yes, look who who out there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Cheeto's my corner, Yeah, left corner. I'm not gonna worry
Speaker 1: about safety if if if I'm getting beat because of
Speaker 1: my safety, then I got I got some other problems
Speaker 1: probably going on. Right. No one's ever not gone to
Speaker 1: a super Bowl and said, you know, if I just
Speaker 1: had a better safety, yeah, I'd have gone to the
Speaker 1: super Bowl. I think that there's some things I think
Speaker 1: he can help. I think it's a bonus in this
Speaker 1: situation with the young secondary. If this was a veteran secondary,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't argue this point for Earl Thomas. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: do that. I mean, I love Earl Thomas, but I
Speaker 1: think he could really help. He could help develop Cheeto.
Speaker 1: He can maybe help Byron Jones develop, you know, Byron.
Speaker 1: He could. He could kind of keep an eye on
Speaker 1: Byron Jones and say, Okay, I'm gonna this kid over here,
Speaker 1: Cheeto can play. I'm gonna kind of keep an eye
Speaker 1: keep you know, keep him out of trouble, you know,
Speaker 1: in the Nickel stuff. You know. I just going back
Speaker 1: and watching him play. He still plays at a high level.
Speaker 1: He still plays if he if he was like Eric
Speaker 1: Reid and Kenny Vaccaro and those guys that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: aren't looking at that don't play at a high level,
Speaker 1: then I, you know, I would I would not do this.
Speaker 1: I think Byron can play corner I assistently at a
Speaker 1: high level. I mean he's done it. We've seen him
Speaker 1: play it. I think Mickey's right. I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot more questions there. I like the fact of how
Speaker 1: aggressive he is. I like the length. I like his ability,
Speaker 1: the athletic ability to turn in run. I think the
Speaker 1: fact that he's playing the right corner will help him
Speaker 1: because most teams in the league are right handed, meaning
Speaker 1: they attack the left corner. So if Byron can kind
Speaker 1: of we've seen Byron, I mean we did tail the
Speaker 1: tape again. We saw a Byron cover a big tight
Speaker 1: end down on the goal line, fourth down play, be physical,
Speaker 1: get inside, keep from the interset, you know, keep from
Speaker 1: getting interference. That's yeah, Byron Jones is capable of covering,
Speaker 1: but it's a matter of staying with guys. And that's
Speaker 1: what's going to be the trick. And I think the
Speaker 1: way they're playing it now, they'll give them an opportunity
Speaker 1: to be in man but kind of looking right back
Speaker 1: in right, not playing catch up with your back to
Speaker 1: the quarterback right. And that's kind of what he's been
Speaker 1: teaching out here. So again, that's what we're here for.
Speaker 1: We're gonna see they think they know, but they don't know. Well,
Speaker 1: the things tend to take care of themselves. You know,
Speaker 1: you'll you'll see very quickly if there is a depth
Speaker 1: problem at defensive tackle. You'll see if there's a problem
Speaker 1: at safety, and you'll see if there's not a capable
Speaker 1: wide receiver of being one of the five or six right,
Speaker 1: you'll see that. And you'll get to see who the
Speaker 1: backup quarterbacks are too. You know, you'll get to see
Speaker 1: that little competition as well. We're still vamping Cowboys State
Speaker 1: of the Union training camp, Press Commerce coming up momentarily.
Speaker 1: Kent's gonna tell me to get off the air here
Speaker 1: when it's time. Guys, give me, give me a couple
Speaker 1: names when they get out to practice tomorrow. And like
Speaker 1: you said, Micky won't be in pads, but maybe when
Speaker 1: they get to pads, give me a couple of names
Speaker 1: of guys you're gonna be watching out there. Johad Ward
Speaker 1: right from the start, tell me why because they don't
Speaker 1: have another guy I think that can play that position
Speaker 1: of David Irving's not there, or play it the way
Speaker 1: that Marinelli wants it played. I mean, who else would
Speaker 1: move in there? You know you're gonna take one of
Speaker 1: the defensive ends and move into the three technique. MALIEK.
Speaker 1: Collins not playing yet. He played it well and he
Speaker 1: can maybe slide over there. But then, okay, now who's
Speaker 1: playing the nose? So to me, jehad Ward has a
Speaker 1: lot to say with basically what goes on on that
Speaker 1: defensive line. So to me, I want to see him
Speaker 1: with pads on Rod Marinelli Saturday, a week from Saturday,
Speaker 1: at the Saturday Saturday, we get the pads. Rod Marinelli
Speaker 1: told us he made a statement quote a statement in
Speaker 1: the offseason workouts. No pads with what he did out there.
Speaker 1: He also says pads are everything. So I say that
Speaker 1: that'll be my number one guy right now. Who you got,
Speaker 1: broad man? You know what I'm gonna focus on, because
Speaker 1: I think they're going to rely on a couple of
Speaker 1: rookies to start. I think they're I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: you know, they want they would like Michael Gallop to
Speaker 1: step up and bet Terrence Williams out of a job.
Speaker 1: I think they want the left guard to be Connor Williams.
Speaker 1: You know they drafted him to be. I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: interested to see the OTAs in minicamp. Those reps did
Speaker 1: not look too big for those guys at the time.
Speaker 1: Now we've had some time, we've had some conditioning work,
Speaker 1: we've had some you know, guys to mature a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm interested to see these young, these rookie guys
Speaker 1: and go go down the list, who who is the
Speaker 1: guy of the rookies, of the drafted rookies that the
Speaker 1: game is not too big, a big four and they
Speaker 1: could come out here and they function and it's a
Speaker 1: great pool. Blocked by Connor Williams down on the goal line,
Speaker 1: Michael gallop with a clutch catch on the two minute drill.
Speaker 1: You know, uh, you know, I'm interested to see Armstrong.
Speaker 1: Oh nice, he gets around, you know, he's in he's
Speaker 1: in there working against Tyrn Smith, or he beats Tyrn Smith,
Speaker 1: or he beats Lyle Collins for a sack. You know.
Speaker 1: That's I'm focusing on those rookie guys because I think
Speaker 1: they're they're looking at those kids and they're saying and that.
Speaker 1: And we during the draft show, we were talking about
Speaker 1: maybe they'll trade these picks, maybe they won't take all
Speaker 1: these picks. They made all these picks for a reason,
Speaker 1: you know, and they got players. They went out and
Speaker 1: got players, and so if you're gonna do that, you
Speaker 1: better go play them. You better figure it out. And
Speaker 1: that's where I think that to me, And it doesn't
Speaker 1: really answer your question because it's such a big you know,
Speaker 1: big Oh yeah, Brian, look at rookie's good for you. Look.
Speaker 1: But I think deep down in their heart, they're looking
Speaker 1: at these kids and they're saying, Okay, maybe this guy
Speaker 1: can help us. Maybe this guy can help us here.
Speaker 1: Maybe the guy can help us here. It's less of
Speaker 1: a veteran football team. This year, first five draft choices
Speaker 1: for sure they need guess right, there's two in the
Speaker 1: fourth Yeah yeah, yeah, that to me. And if you're
Speaker 1: not gonna count them, but hey, can can Mike White
Speaker 1: beat out Cooper Rush who was outstanding here last year?
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush basically in the game Cooper Rush put put
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore into coaching if you if you think about it,
Speaker 1: mean because he went from being the backup to being
Speaker 1: you know, practice squad. And then some of these young guys.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be September ninth, but how about
Speaker 1: by the bye week, maybe they move into and start
Speaker 1: taking some serious reps or or starting and a couple
Speaker 1: of them could do it. I don't think in this
Speaker 1: coverage we're gonna have we're gonna sugarcoat it, because if
Speaker 1: kids are playing well, I always say they're playing well.
Speaker 1: If they're playing bad, we're gonna say they're playing bad.
Speaker 1: But I'm really interested to see if these these rookies,
Speaker 1: like Mickey said, the four or five six of them
Speaker 1: can step in and immediately help this team and then
Speaker 1: are part of are part of the defense, are part
Speaker 1: of offense, part of special teams, whatever that takes. When
Speaker 1: they're when you're scouting rookies like this when the pads
Speaker 1: come on, do you have to give them a little
Speaker 1: longer leash and evaluations because this is the first time
Speaker 1: going through this, or do you have to see something
Speaker 1: I don't want? Hey, you know what if if if
Speaker 1: if Layton Vanderish is playing scrape linebacker and making and
Speaker 1: tackling or wrapping up a Zeka Ellt on the edge,
Speaker 1: give me as many of those reps as you can.
Speaker 1: You know, give me that. But I don't think these kids.
Speaker 1: I think these all of these kids played big time
Speaker 1: football and so they understand, Hey, we're gonna line up
Speaker 1: and play and line up and go. And I'm I'm
Speaker 1: okay with that. I'm okay. I'm watching Alan Hearns. I'm
Speaker 1: watching him. Can he take ownership of that extra sive spot?
Speaker 1: And maybe he doesn't have to be Dez Bryant, but
Speaker 1: can he Can he do most of what Dez did
Speaker 1: production wise last year? If they can get that out
Speaker 1: of him, with the running game, with the way they
Speaker 1: want to play football offensively, I think they'll be in
Speaker 1: pretty good shape. And he's got a major opportunity to
Speaker 1: step in and be a guy for Dak that teams
Speaker 1: have to account for at least and maybe that See,
Speaker 1: that's that's another part of this where we've discussed like
Speaker 1: do they need a number one receiver? I say yes,
Speaker 1: But there's a second part of it. I think there's
Speaker 1: times where Dak needed guys to separate last year the
Speaker 1: other guys and there was guys were singled up and
Speaker 1: it wasn't always pretty and he didn't have anywhere to
Speaker 1: go with the football. Sometimes Zeke's will help with the separation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who were they scared of? Last year? They could sink back?
Speaker 1: Who were they scared of? Yeah? Defensive scared of Alfred Morris,
Speaker 1: nice running back, but they weren't scared of him. So
Speaker 1: who was gonna beat you Dak and Dez? Yeah? Do
Speaker 1: you think we'll see? And I know it's maybe a
Speaker 1: talking point, maybe not, But are we going to see
Speaker 1: something different from Scott Linahan or are we gonna go
Speaker 1: back to Mickey what you were talking about with a
Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen attack where it's built on a
Speaker 1: running game, it's built on moving uh dack around, it's
Speaker 1: built on that or is that or we are we
Speaker 1: gonna see? I'm sure that you know, you know vic
Speaker 1: and Ventura wants more creativity. Yeah, well, I mean that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I mean, Vici Ventura is saying, well, well,
Speaker 1: who brought us creativity? Creativity? Get you know here? You are, Brian,
Speaker 1: you're bitching about the basilely not getting open, But how
Speaker 1: about some creativity? You know? I think that's where I
Speaker 1: think that's where you know again. And I'm gonna sit
Speaker 1: there and say, oh, scheme specific they're doing this, this
Speaker 1: and that. Do you think we're gonna see any adjustments?
Speaker 1: And adjust it's a bad word because it's like it's
Speaker 1: it's like it's like a game time thing. But are
Speaker 1: we gonna see some things differently that we haven't seen
Speaker 1: in the last two years with a team that predominantly
Speaker 1: ran the foot think the fact that Tavon Austin's here
Speaker 1: is a sign that they may try to do some
Speaker 1: things differently, or at least after the fact that they move.
Speaker 1: Possibly Beasley gets snaps outside, you get a bigger guy
Speaker 1: inside with Hearns, and you got Zeke that you can
Speaker 1: throw the ball too. More of that would be good,
Speaker 1: And you know, is that creative? No Emmett Smith caught
Speaker 1: forty fifty sixty balls this season while he was running
Speaker 1: and winning rushing championships. So now you've got something. The
Speaker 1: linebackers are going to be more occupied by Zeke's presence
Speaker 1: because now when you when you when you do the
Speaker 1: play naked bootleg, the linebackers not running out there immediately right,
Speaker 1: gotta go, all right, press confers coming up. Shortly finished
Speaker 1: that thought. Tomorrow a