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Speaker 1: All right, we're back with another episode of Cutting the

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Speaker 1: Distance podcast. I'm your host, Dirk Durham, and I'm at

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Speaker 1: my good buddy's house here in good old Montanna. This

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Speaker 1: friend of mine, we've been we've known each other for

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Speaker 1: a while. He's one of my older one of my

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Speaker 1: oldest internet friends, if you will, the one and only

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Speaker 1: John Gabriel from Apex Advertising. I think we've been buddy

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Speaker 1: since like twenty ten somewhere in there.

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Speaker 2: Man, it's been a long time for sure, and I'm

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Speaker 2: getting old, so I don't remember.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I was a young buck still am, but

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Speaker 1: you still kind of look like a young buck. See's

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Speaker 1: gray hairs right here, though, I mean like I'm starting

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Speaker 1: to look like you. You like you had a long

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Speaker 1: way to go to look. I don't have gray hair.

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Speaker 1: I have white hair. Yeah, white.

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Speaker 2: Hey, dude, it's filling in though. You know, I didn't

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Speaker 2: have any of these until I got married. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: then it just went down. It's all downhill.

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Speaker 1: It's all downhill. Yeah, yeah it is, you warned me. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: now I'm a distinguished gentleman with all this white hair.

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Speaker 1: First time I've been called a gentleman in my whole life,

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Speaker 1: but I'll take it. We'll take it. So John Gabriel,

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Speaker 1: you guys, if you follow Phelps on social media, if

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Speaker 1: you follow Phelps on YouTube, John's been on some of

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Speaker 1: our Elk hunts together. But way back in the day,

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Speaker 1: when Phelps was producing some video a video series called Tradition,

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Speaker 1: the Traditions in your group, you had a group, you

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Speaker 1: had a group name called Anger Mountain Productions. Angry Mountain Productions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Damp damp Amp, Yeah, that's what we called it.

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Speaker 2: But that was way back in the day. But that

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Speaker 2: was that was kind of our Phelps when we started

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Speaker 2: whole video series, started doing a lot of the video

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Speaker 2: stuff for Phelps itself and that was kind of then

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Speaker 2: well now it's just all rolled into Phelps. So but

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Speaker 2: that that was kind of like back in the day,

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Speaker 2: of on that side. So yeah, Jason didn't really have

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Speaker 2: a lot of stuff before that for the brand itself,

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Speaker 2: and then we kind of.

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Speaker 1: Took off. And now if you dig deep and the

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Speaker 1: annals and annals, anals, annuals of of YouTube, you can

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Speaker 1: find I mean, if you really want to geek out

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Speaker 1: on Jason Phelps, he started. He had a YouTube channel

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Speaker 1: called what the heck was it called way Back in

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Speaker 1: the Day, Primetime out Time.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, dude, you've got to look this up because

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Speaker 2: that was the pre that was the way back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, prime time Outdoors. Guys, you got to look this up.

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Speaker 1: I had a good chuckle to myself because Jason Phelps

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Speaker 1: in his and and what he was doing back then.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's been a YouTube tube star. I mean

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Speaker 1: he's a YouTube starlet for years. He was like the

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Speaker 2: He basically he was that good god.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, and then fast forward a few years and

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Speaker 1: John and Jason and I got to share in el

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Speaker 1: kunt in New Mexico, which that video lives on Loophol's

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel, so check that out. We had an awesome

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Speaker 1: but turned out to be a great hunt. We all

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Speaker 1: tagged out on beautiful bulls. And then I'm over here

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Speaker 1: at his house just lowfoot man. I've been I've been

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Speaker 1: know what, it's time to talk talk shop with with John,

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Speaker 1: and John I don't want to get too far ahead.

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Speaker 1: So Apex Advertising is the business you own, own and operate.

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Speaker 1: Tell us about that first.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, I mean I've had Apex and since twenty

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Speaker 2: end of twenty eleven, I guess twenty twelve somewhere in there, So,

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Speaker 2: I mean twelve years ish, and I mean kind of

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Speaker 2: much there since Jason started Phelps game calls back in

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Speaker 2: boosts and catalogs. I mean, we've done so much stuff

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I've that's what that's what I

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Speaker 2: And you're sitting in my office right now and staring

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Speaker 2: So moved out of Washington and moved to Utah for

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Speaker 1: I don't want to go back to the old Evergreen State.

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Speaker 1: But man, yeah, no, I'm a I'm a born and

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Speaker 1: raised Idaho native, and I'm jealous as hell that you

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Speaker 1: that's probably not gonna allow it. But that's another story

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Speaker 1: for another time, right Yeah, But I will say, you know,

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Speaker 1: John and I work very closely together on if you've seen,

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Speaker 1: if you've bought a Phelps game call, then the packaging.

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Speaker 1: John does the package. He builds the artwork for the packaging.

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Speaker 1: If you see the logos on the bugle tubes, on

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Speaker 1: but he does. He does a lot of artwork, t shirts,

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Speaker 1: He just does what he does. He has a passion

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Speaker 1: You know. He's one of those guys that kind of

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Speaker 1: like they always say like train, but they say train

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think, you know, and that's one thing,

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Speaker 2: Where where is this going to fall? And so I

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Speaker 2: But I mean I used to spend a lot of

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Speaker 2: And I really love the white tail thing, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't operate qright in the same No. Well,

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Speaker 1: We're going mule here. I'm going mule to Alton Phelps

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Speaker 1: You got to figure it out. But they're they're definitely

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Speaker 1: yet elk season September boat Archery season ye, And I

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Speaker 1: tell us about your September. What was there any overall

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Speaker 1: And then how did you end up with with with tags? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So I talked about this last year. Actually, I did

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Speaker 2: about my Montana hunting experience. I have not hunted. I

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Speaker 2: take that back. There's two years. I guess I hunted

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Speaker 2: the same spot twice, Right, But I've every other hunt

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Speaker 2: every elk that I've killed has always been in a

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Speaker 1: That's that's that's an interesting fact, toy. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: this new spot that I've never been And I think

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Speaker 2: it's kind of one of those things that it's like

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Speaker 1: Turning over rocks, constantly find a new little things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and like maybe this can be my golden honey

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Speaker 1: You know, I haven't found that yet. But ye is

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Speaker 1: greener guy, Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm like grass is greener

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Speaker 2: So this year I put in we drew a tag

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Speaker 2: you know, it's tough. Last year Kylie and I drew

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Speaker 2: those are some big shoes to fill. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: let's go hunt that this year and like see what

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Speaker 1: Like we'll just we'll redo it. Sister wasn't with us

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Speaker 1: Fill that tag.

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Speaker 2: to like hit that number, but at the same time,

429
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:26,879
Speaker 2: I just had kind of thrown it out and I

430
00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,720
Speaker 2: just wanted to like experience elk and get as many

431
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 2: as encounters as I could to try and learn more

432
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:34,880
Speaker 2: about elk, you know, like.

433
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,200
Speaker 1: What could I get away with?

434
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,560
Speaker 2: What would the elk be doing, different noises that elk behavior,

435
00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,400
Speaker 2: just watching it exit all the crazy crap they do.

436
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:44,240
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.

437
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,640
Speaker 2: And I mean I had days I got in on them,

438
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 2: and I mean I literally had hundreds of elk and

439
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,399
Speaker 2: it was like a couple of different days, but I

440
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 2: had like one hundred head one day that was just

441
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,359
Speaker 2: peeled off and they're sitting out kind of by himself

442
00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,880
Speaker 2: with the bigger herd below and got in the mix.

443
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,920
Speaker 2: I heard more noises and weird elk noises that I mean,

444
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 2: I wish I would have had someone there to film

445
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 2: it because the stuff that I heard, and it was like,

446
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like I've heard a lot of

447
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 2: elk noises, but I'm.

448
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 1: Like, what what are they doing? Like what is that?

449
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 2: And watching them just interact with each other, you know,

450
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,479
Speaker 2: and like have a cow make a weird noise that

451
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 2: you know, I'm like, I don't even know what that is.

452
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 2: But man, that bowl over there is really paying attention,

453
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 2: like you know, right, and he liked it. And then

454
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 2: so I'm like, man, maybe if I can mimic kind

455
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 2: of doing that, you know, I'm like, maybe that'll do something.

456
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,119
Speaker 1: What's crazy about elk vocalizations is herd dynamics and the

457
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 1: number of elk versus what kind of talking they're doing. Sure,

458
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 1: I had a lot of Idaho where there's really low

459
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 1: numbers elk, you know, and a big herd would be

460
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 1: five or six elk. A lot of times you might

461
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 1: only see a bowl. He may only have two or

462
00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 1: three cows. You go to a place where there's a

463
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 1: hundred cows, and and and back to idol they did.

464
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 1: The cows are not real vocal, they don't talk much.

465
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,439
Speaker 1: They you may not even hear one single mew. You

466
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 1: go to a herd of one hundred or more, and

467
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 1: now you've got all these different voices and all these

468
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 1: different characters saying these all these different vocalizations, and some

469
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 1: of them are just like that sounds like a guy,

470
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 1: Like that sounds like a hunter. Yeah, that's a really

471
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,479
Speaker 1: crappy somebody that don't even know how to blow an

472
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,640
Speaker 1: elk call. It's making elk noises, right, and they're trying

473
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,640
Speaker 1: to make an elk noise and you hear it all

474
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 1: like like I didn't even know elk made a noise,

475
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 1: Like just like what you're saying. So the herd dynamic

476
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 1: changes when you have a lot more individual elk talking.

477
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, Like it changes so much. And I

478
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 2: think that's the thing. It's like trying to just keep

479
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 2: all these little things. And you know, it's like I'm

480
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 2: always learning. I feel like I'm always trying to, you know,

481
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,239
Speaker 2: learning watching videos of people on these ranches or like

482
00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 2: you know, public Land.

483
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 1: I don't even Cash Park now, yeah, National Park.

484
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 2: I'm like, just give me, give me the book, like

485
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 2: let me hear everything so that way I can like

486
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 2: process all this and store it, you know. And then

487
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 2: it's like, oh yeah, maybe this one time, I'm like, oh,

488
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 2: I heard that one weird freaking weird cow or calf noise.

489
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:16,919
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna try that, you know.

490
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: And so just like when we talked about like you

491
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 2: doing like a bunch of calf noises a couple years ago,

492
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 2: you know, and you're like, I'm just going to calf

493
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 2: call season, you know type of thing, and it was like,

494
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 2: oh yeah, well, like let's tryer, you know, like let's

495
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 2: see what it does. And so I think it's like

496
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 2: just processing all that and just really trying to like

497
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 2: dive in. But this year, I I don't know, it

498
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 2: was like at first I had this grand thing of

499
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 2: the number, and then I kind of backed off the number,

500
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 2: and then it was like experience.

501
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: And then ELK.

502
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 2: Season hit and it was like, oh boy, like what

503
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 2: is going on? You know, like this is not what

504
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 2: I thought it was going to be. Summer seemed great,

505
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 2: scouting went good, and then it was like just downhill.

506
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: You know.

507
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 2: It was like we hit rock bottom like the second

508
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:00,640
Speaker 2: day and I was just like.

509
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 1: You know, I was like the plane crash.

510
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,959
Speaker 2: It was like we just got thrown in and it

511
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,719
Speaker 2: was like dig your way out of the hole almost,

512
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 2: you know. And we did see right off the bat,

513
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 2: uh well, I actually talked about at dinner tonight, and

514
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 2: we saw that big seven by club weird bowl like

515
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 2: right off the bat, and I was like, oh man,

516
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: like oughta gave anything to go back and figure out

517
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 2: a way. Like just when you drive up on one,

518
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 2: I mean a truck, it's like you're kind of I

519
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: mean not expecting it. And then when you see a

520
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 2: bowl like that, and it was just kind of like

521
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 2: you screwed it up from the beginning, like you do

522
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 2: not get out of the truck. You're not going to

523
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 2: kill that elk And we went down after him kind

524
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 2: of got close. I'm marching along way too fast and

525
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 2: there's a really solid bull standing there and Kyle's yelling

526
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 2: at me and I didn't hear until it was too late,

527
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 2: and you know, this bull runs off, spooked off, and

528
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 2: I was like dang, you know, like it just kind

529
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 2: of felt like everything kind of like sank right there,

530
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 2: and I was like, guy, just blew the whole thing.

531
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: And uh.

532
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 2: But then it was like looking back at that, it

533
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 2: was kind of like first that was like the first

534
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,959
Speaker 2: day first, and I was just like, man, you know,

535
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: like this can be awesome. And then it just went

536
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 2: downhill from there. And after it was almost like like

537
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 2: the plane crashed and it just went and man.

538
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: We spent days and days of trying to even just.

539
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 2: Like get on elk really and then I took her home,

540
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 2: got my sister, brought her back with my dad and

541
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 2: I and we hunted for a week. And I mean

542
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 2: it was hard. I mean, you know, just normal what

543
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: I think the elk. You hear an elk And it

544
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 2: was like, oh yeah, let's kay, let's do the game plan.

545
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 2: Let's sneak in on them. I'll get you guys set

546
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 2: up up here. I'm gonna sneak back, you know, call

547
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 2: call it in, you know, doing you know, when they're

548
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 2: fifty sixty yards ahead of me, like you know, bawl

549
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 2: is gonna come in, look in there and shooting distance

550
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 2: do Like nothing went right. It was like I'd even

551
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 2: back up trying to get more distance, and it was

552
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 2: like the elk would just like wander off and like

553
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 2: go the other way type of thing, and they just

554
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 2: were not respond ontive the calls. I was trying everything.

555
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like, I'm a big fan of Charlie's call.

556
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: I love that purple Smith's signature, Purple, the purple nurple.

557
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: It's the purple Smith's signature, Purple Smith's signature. It's a

558
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 2: just it's a super heavy call, but I love it.

559
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 2: I feel like my cow sounds are like very nasally

560
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 2: like rich, yeah, rich, Like they're they're good. Like I

561
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 2: feel like I get a lot of response to them,

562
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 2: and I could just it was like.

563
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: Nothing was working. So it's like, dude, I was trying

564
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: your call, the Maverick, trying FELP signature, the orange shamp.

565
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 2: I mean, dude, I was like just all over all

566
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: over just trying to get different noises to try to

567
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: get bulls to like respond, and it just I felt

568
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 2: like nothing was working.

569
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: It was. And then so finally we did get in

570
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: on some one morning.

571
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 2: We got out of the truck or hike out just

572
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 2: a little bit, and I cow called a couple of

573
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: times as bowl rips like, oh yeah, perfect right daylight

574
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 2: like this one, I just felt right, call this bull in. Unfortunately,

575
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: my sister missed it, and then like thirty minutes later

576
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 2: calling another bull she and that one was a little

577
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 2: different scenario, but like she ended up missing that one too,

578
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: you know, and I just was like, oh, I'm like

579
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 2: sis right now, like I love you. I'm just throwing

580
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: this out there. But I mean, you know, it's just

581
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 2: like unfortunate circumstances. You know, it wasn't like anything anyone

582
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: really would have done. The first bowl was kind of

583
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 2: a layup, but like she got excited, and you know,

584
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: that's what it's about.

585
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: It's hard to keep your crap together, especially you know,

586
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: if you don't have a lot of reps with with

587
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: elk right in front of you, I mean, eight hundred

588
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: pound animal bugling, and my cousin Evan says, this thing

589
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: comes screaming in, it's got swords on its head. Yeah,

590
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 1: trying to want to kill something, right, that's pretty intimidating.

591
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: It is, a lot of folks are exciting. Yeah, it's tough,

592
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: Like that's why we do it.

593
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: That's why we do it though, And I mean, I

594
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 2: like I love it because I look at her and dude,

595
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: her eyes and everything. I mean it just like she

596
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: is like in La La Land, Like you know, you

597
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 2: could talk.

598
00:27:54,400 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: He even know her name. You know. It's cool.

599
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 2: And I love that experience because not a lot of

600
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: people get that experience in life, you know, and like

601
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 2: seeing that. And so I looked back though, and I

602
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: was like, man, like that day it was that was

603
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 2: like the one day I remember what the date was,

604
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 2: But that day if I was like, oh, things are turning,

605
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 2: you know, like we finally like we've been grinding, we

606
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 2: finally got in them. We called in a couple and

607
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: then things went sideways. And then that night I went

608
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 2: out by myself. My dad and sister they stayed. They

609
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: went out by themself. They were pretty worn out from

610
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: the morning. So I went out by myself that night,

611
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: calling this six point to six yards, and I mean,

612
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 2: like it was just like perfect god all, I mean,

613
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: I got.

614
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: Out big date was that? Do you remember what was?

615
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: I think it was the.

616
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 2: Thirteenth, Okay, Like I'm pretty sure I'd have to look

617
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 2: it was thirteen fourteenth somewhere in there, Okay. So I

618
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: bugled locate this bowl and like just did the hole,

619
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: like cut the distance, get down in on him and

620
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: got super close, and I was like and then all

621
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I could hear like I got raking,

622
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 2: you know, like he was raking a tree, and I'm like,

623
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I'm getting close. So I dropped down below

624
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: him and walking up this ridge and there's like an

625
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: opening where I could shoot, and then there was I

626
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: looked up about fifty yards ahead of me, and I

627
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: seen another opening and I was like, oh, man, if

628
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: I get to that tree, he's got to come down.

629
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: And there's a bunch of big those like skeater type

630
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: juniper bush things, and I was like, he's going to

631
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: have to come down and circle under those and come

632
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 2: right out. Versus, if I had set up fifty yards

633
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: over here, it was open, like he would have came

634
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: to the edge of that and like probably looked across

635
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,479
Speaker 2: and been like, you know, where is he?

636
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: You know, or where's his cow? Like down here?

637
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 2: So when I got up here, this bowl would have

638
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: had to come down and like circle that bush and

639
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: walk out broadside, you know, at twenty yards. Just like

640
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: read this scenario, perfect had to win perfect in my

641
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: face and just was right. So I get up there,

642
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: start cal calling, do this thing's Rake and Rake and

643
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: Rake and scream in. I got video on my phone

644
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: and he's just like doing his thing, and I might

645
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: I finally glass him up, and it was just kind

646
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: of one of those things like ah, dang it, you know,

647
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: it's like.

648
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: Not quite really.

649
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: I was like the first night i'd really hunted for

650
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: myself all season, yeah, and I was like, ah, it's

651
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: just not what I want to shoot yet. So lots

652
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 2: of time, yeah, I thought, you know, yeah, it's like, oh,

653
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: I got lots of time. I got four weeks, Archerie left,

654
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: five weeks whatever that was if it was early, and

655
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: I was just like, I'm not gonna do it.

656
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: So this pole comes down.

657
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: Dude walks right around the bush, I got my phone

658
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 2: out video, walks right up six yards, stops broadside, and

659
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 2: he's just like.

660
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: Looking around trying to figure out where I'm at.

661
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: I mean, if it was like if I wanted to

662
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: shoot him, I mean it was like the most perfect

663
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 2: like bow kill.

664
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it was just like it was easy.

665
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 2: And uh, of course my first night really hunting for myself,

666
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, it's too easy, you know.

667
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: My things are turning on. Man, I really got this

668
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: figured out. Yeah, I'm basically the greatest center of the world. Basically.

669
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: I was like yeah, I mean I could smell the

670
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: rich mahogany sitting. I was just like, oh, this is great,

671
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: and so uh, all of a sudden, it kind of

672
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: wins me in turns well. Then it even runs spooks

673
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 2: and stops. I cow like twenty yards, dude stops the

674
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 2: other way broadside and it's just looking at that was.

675
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: Like a gift man, Oh yeah from the man upstairs. Yeah,

676
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: and you you didn't take it. No, I didn't even

677
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: take it. I know. Thanks. Yeah, I turn my nose

678
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: up at it. Yep, just let it go. Wow.

679
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 2: But I looked back at that experience though, and I

680
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 2: was like, man, that was pretty cool.

681
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: You know.

682
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: It was just like one of those things like Elk

683
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 2: being Elk doing his thing. He totally thought I was

684
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: an Elk and came in and I was like, oh,

685
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 2: we're on like the next few days, like this is

686
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 2: gonna be great, and.

687
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: Then it just went downhill. Just like dude, it just

688
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: was not good.

689
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: Went back home, got Kyle, brought her back for her

690
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: week to hunt, and so I was just kind of like,

691
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 2: you know, I'll spend that week with her, and then

692
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,239
Speaker 2: when she's done, then I'll hunt for myself, like after that.

693
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: So I was trying to get my sister a week,

694
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: get her a week, and then I'll hunt for myself.

695
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: And uh so we hunted with Kyle for that whole

696
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: week and more kind of behind the scenes, you know,

697
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: like we obviously you know, but like we had some

698
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: issues going on like after the fact, but like during

699
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: that time, like she was pregnant and she was really

700
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: struggling with the whole uh like just being tired and

701
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: like didn't you know physically have it to.

702
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: Like hikes taxing when you're pregnant.

703
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like do big long hikes. And usually she'll

704
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 2: be there by my side. Like if I take off,

705
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: she's there. We're going never have an issue. I don't

706
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: have to worry about her.

707
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: You know.

708
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: It's just like as the guys that can we hunt together,

709
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: like I feel like I know you're going to be there,

710
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 2: or I know Phelps is there, like or you know whatever,

711
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: I'm behind you if you take off, like we're just

712
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: you just go. And so that's how she usually is

713
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: what it was like it was pretty tough because it was,

714
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: you know, like she just you could tell she was

715
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: just drained every.

716
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: Day, like no matter what we did didn't.

717
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I could hike half a mile and I

718
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: felt like I could just look at her and tell like,

719
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: you're struggling, what can I do? But like at the

720
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: same time, I'm like, man, we're not gonna kill an

721
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: elk if you don't get you know, like get after

722
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: it a little bit. So I was pushing her and

723
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: then uh, we had a rainstorm come in, and the

724
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: elk usually turn on in that rain pretty good. And

725
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 2: we did have like a day like where they kind

726
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: of went nuts and I was like, yeah, this is

727
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: it and just.

728
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: Couldn't get it to work. And then.

729
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: The wind picked up and it was just she just

730
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: kind of had tossed in the towel. Like after that week,

731
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: she's just like I'm done, Like, let's go home.

732
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: I'm over it.

733
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: I was like, you got one evening left, Let's hunt

734
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: tomorrow in the morning and we'll come home. I was like,

735
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 2: just stick it out, like trust me, just like you know,

736
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: doing that like push it. You got one evening one morning,

737
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: went out that evening driving along park and I'm like

738
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 2: you know how you do.

739
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: Sometimes.

740
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm gonna buggle down in this cannyon

741
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: and this looks pretty good. And I rip a bugle

742
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: and I hear this bowl and it was like the

743
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: first bugle it did back, sounded like just a good, solid,

744
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: big bugle. She's back in the truck and like run back.

745
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, the truck. I'm like, there's a bowl

746
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 2: like right here, you know, like come on, we're gonna

747
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: kill this thing. She's like I want to hear it,

748
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm like, you don't even need to

749
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: hear it. She get your boat, you know, like we're

750
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: gonna go. The wind's perfect, well circle, you're gonna kill

751
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 2: this thing. I want to hear it. And I'm like, okay, fine,

752
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: so I cow call a few times, dude, I mean

753
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 2: it answered right away, but it sounded like a rag

754
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: like four point bowl. At this point, I just looked

755
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: at her. I'm like, do you want to kill one

756
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 2: with your bow or not? You know, because I'm like

757
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 2: this is I mean, it's bow hunting. Get one who cares, like,

758
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 2: you know, just shoot one with your boat? Do it

759
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 2: two years in a row, like get it, get another one,

760
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 2: under your belt with your bow, and so finally talk

761
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: her into it and I'm like, well, we're gonna drive

762
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: back around. We'll get hike got this ridge and the

763
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: wind's perfect. It's a knife, super sharp knife ridge. And

764
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: I was like, I'll get on the back side, you

765
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 2: get up on top. I'm gonna call that bowl right

766
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: up over the top.

767
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: You know.

768
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 2: To me, you're shoot him broadside when he comes up.

769
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: Of course, it doesn't work quite like that, and so

770
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 2: we end up spend like a half hour. I'm calling

771
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: right like thirty yards behind her, and he's bugling his

772
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 2: head off, and I'm just like why, you know, in

773
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 2: my mind, I'm like he sounds close, Like why is

774
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: she not shooting this thing? I don't, you know, I

775
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 2: can't figure it out. And then I see her she's

776
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 2: like range and stuff. I'm like kind of looking up

777
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: at her, but I see her like range and stuff,

778
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: and I'm like, why are you not shooting this thing?

779
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: Like what is going on? He's bugling?

780
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 2: And then pretty he's getting I can tell he's getting

781
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 2: closer and closer, and I'm like, man, what are you

782
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: waiting for? Like a five yard shot here? You know,

783
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 2: Like I you know, I I gotta be standing right

784
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: on her. Yeah, that's what I thought, Like I was like,

785
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: that bowl has to be there. Well, she said, the

786
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 2: whole time, he's got like sixty and it must have

787
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: been the wind blown so hard that like it was

788
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 2: carrying it where it sounded like he was really close.

789
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: Well then she said he'd eat and lift his head

790
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: bugle back down to eat and like look around eat

791
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 2: Bugle didn't even care, and he'd just take a step

792
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 2: and do that all the way up the hill, like

793
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 2: all the way right to or to like thirty yards.

794
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: And that was kind of like back to like I

795
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: feel how this whole season went where the elk didn't

796
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: really want to come in, they didn't want to commit.

797
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,959
Speaker 1: They didn't they weren't super mad, No, they not at all.

798
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: That's the thing like this bowl find out after I mean,

799
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 2: I didn't know how big it was and you know whatnot,

800
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 2: but it's like to me, a bowl, I don't care

801
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: how big it is. If he's alone, no cows, he

802
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 2: should have came right into the cow calls. Yeah, like

803
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 2: he should have just like marched. Now it's like, what

804
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 2: the twentieth Yeah, that was the twentieth or something, I

805
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: think eighteenth or no, nineteenth or twentieth when.

806
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: She got it. Yeah, a bull by himself on the

807
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: twentieth of September should just go bananas for for a

808
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 1: cow Oh dude, yeah, he should just marched right in. Yeah.

809
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: And so I.

810
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 2: Couldn't figure it out. And then finally, all of a sudden,

811
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 2: I'm looking at her and I see her range one

812
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: last time. I see her clip on. I'm like, oh, yeah,

813
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: like he's got to be right there. And I see

814
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: her drawback and bo goes off and I hear the thud,

815
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: and you know what, I'm like, oh yeah, like she

816
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: hit it. I can't see those so of course, you

817
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 2: know how you do. I'm like, I hope she figured

818
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: out where she hit that thing. And she turns around,

819
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: looks at me. I'm looking at her and I'm, you know,

820
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: kind of hands in the air, but I'm cow calling,

821
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 2: you know, trying to just calm him down. And I

822
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 2: literally look at her look back and she's like, he's down.

823
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 2: I mean, dude, it was like seconds. Thing ran forty

824
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: six yards and falls over. She double lunged.

825
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 1: It in ten seconds.

826
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, like if yeah, I mean it just like runs

827
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 2: right over, crashed into the bush, and so I jump

828
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 2: up and I'm like, you know, say a couple.

829
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: Of choice words, hands in the air, like running towards her.

830
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 2: But when I first jumped up, I gotta spike it

831
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 2: like five yards and so like he's he was coming

832
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 2: over the hill, but he was coming, but I think

833
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: he was standing there the whole time, and she couldn't

834
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 2: see him because he was kind of in this like

835
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 2: coolie or this soul like draw.

836
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: He runs. But I walk up and she's like, oh, yeah,

837
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: he's not.

838
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 2: That big, you know, blah blah blah blah blah. And

839
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 2: so I walk over there and he sees eye guard

840
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: sticking out of the bush. I see his fourth and

841
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 2: sixth or fifth coming up the top through the tree.

842
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, what did you just kill? You know type

843
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: of thing. But I'll be honest, it's like, you know,

844
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 2: we always talk about like judging a bowl by his bugle,

845
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: and it's like a lot of times I feel like

846
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: you can tell when a bull has just got that

847
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: raspy er bugle, like you know, he's not a young bull,

848
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: but a young bull is not going to bugle like

849
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 2: a big old bull usually, Like he just isn't going

850
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: to be like a big, nasty like herd bull. But

851
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: this bowl bugled like a freaking rag four point bowl,

852
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: like the whole time. I mean, never like that very

853
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 2: first bugle I heard, I was like, yeah, that's a

854
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 2: good bowl. But then after that everything since it was

855
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 2: like a rag ball. So I thought the whole time

856
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 2: maybe there was another bowl down there with cows. And

857
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 2: I was calling in the satellite bowl. When she killed it,

858
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: I was like, holy cow. I was like, that's a

859
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 2: great bull. I was like, you know, he just didn't

860
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: he wasn't that worked up. He didn't care, he didn't

861
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 2: want to play the game.

862
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: How big was it?

863
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: Oh, he's three h eight and so I mean, yeah,

864
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: it's a great bowl. I mean, especially for her, you know,

865
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: second archery bowl, Like I mean, that's a stud. I mean,

866
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: you know it took me forever to kill three hundred kill,

867
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, And so I mean it's it's just a nice,

868
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 2: solid bowl. But he's got eighteen inch fronts and I mean,

869
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 2: like his whole bottom end is just big. And then

870
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 2: he kind of his beams kind of killed him. But

871
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: he's got everything. Like he's just a solid six.

872
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: Point, nice bull. It's a beautiful bull and so.

873
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: Then we got that, took her home the next day.

874
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: It poured rain for a couple of days and then

875
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 2: it just went down here. It was just like again

876
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 2: like I'm like getting into peak season when twenty fourth fifth,

877
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: like it should be Primetime.

878
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: Should be on like Donkey Kong.

879
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, bulls just ripping everywhere and I'm literally like glassing

880
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,479
Speaker 2: up bulls standing together, no caws.

881
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: So weird. How do you explain that? I mean, that

882
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: time of year just got it done early.

883
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: Maybe like I don't know if it's that or like

884
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 2: what happened, but it was like I'm literally like cow

885
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 2: calling watching a group of bulls stand together and they're

886
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: like no interest, and I'm just like something's going on,

887
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 2: Like you know, like it's just weird. I think I

888
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: talked to you in the meantime and like you were

889
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 2: struggling because you were over here staying at my house

890
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 2: actually like hunting around.

891
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: And.

892
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: Like you were having a hard time even getting bulls

893
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: like you can respond or like you know, weren't here much.

894
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: I feel like other people we talked to were kind

895
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: of having that same scenario.

896
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: All across the West. I talked to guys that hunt

897
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: on the coast an organ that were just like, dude,

898
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: it's been terrible that rut's been bad this year. We

899
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: just haven't heard any bulls like they're they're they're not

900
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: acting right. And Idaho they didn't act right for me.

901
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: In two places in Idaho they didn't act right, and

902
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: and Montana they didn't act right for me. And a

903
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: lot of other folks had the same the same story.

904
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: But then there's also some folks that had a great

905
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: year yeah that said, oh this is my best year.

906
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 1: I killed a great bull. So it was one of

907
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: those weird years, you know, it's just kind of a

908
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: weird year.

909
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was tough, and I think like where I'm hunting,

910
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 2: it was more open to where you could like glass

911
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 2: the elk and like see kind of what was going

912
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 2: on watching herds. I'm like watching elk run and do

913
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: elk things. But it was just like they didn't care

914
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 2: about normal Like I mean, you get in on them

915
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: and it's like you feel like you could call a

916
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 2: bowl off or like call a satellite bull in, you know,

917
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: like anything, and they just weren't doing that. So I hunted, man,

918
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: well you left my house, I think, And then I

919
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: stayed a couple of days, and then I left and

920
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: went back and I was over there for like five

921
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 2: or six more days, and then I finally like, so

922
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: at this point, I've hunted like over three weeks, like

923
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: three and a half weeks, and I was I mean,

924
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: I put punched a time clock, and I mean I

925
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: was out there every day like just going hard. And

926
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 2: I think we talked and I'm like, man, you know,

927
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: it's like I had that number in my head like

928
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 2: all season. I was like, I feel like I didn't

929
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: even seen a bowl like of that caliber. I mean

930
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: you know, and so I was like it just not

931
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: even realistic. And then it was like boom, I seen

932
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: him and I got dude. It was just like that.

933
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: Morning when you gave up hope. That's when you've seen

934
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: the when you've seen your Moby Dick.

935
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, when he was there, yeah exactly. And I was like,

936
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 2: it's just in my mind. I was like, it's you know,

937
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: not gonna happen. I heard this bowl bugle snuck in

938
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 2: on him, come up over this little knoll, and I

939
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: mean here's a six by seven.

940
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, he is giant.

941
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: I mean he's bigger than a bowl I killed last year,

942
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: like all day, and I'm just like, holy cow, you know,

943
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 2: and I'm like thinking in my mind, I'm like a

944
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: punch of time clock for like three and a half weeks.

945
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 2: This is like this is it, you know, I'm and

946
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 2: I'm just like I'm going to kill this thing, you know.

947
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 2: And I went in total kill mode, did everything I

948
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 2: felt like I should have done, was bird.

949
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: Dog in the herd.

950
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 2: And then I got behind a clump of trees and

951
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 2: he comes running by and grabs his cow. And had

952
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 2: I been in the right spot at the right just

953
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 2: I was in just got caught at the wrong spot

954
00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 2: and he didn't see me, you know. I was there,

955
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: like I just wasn't in the right spot to make

956
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: the shot. Runs by like forty yards and I was like, oh,

957
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: dang it, you know, and so I'm crap. So I

958
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: keep bird dogging him and he's standing there at ninety

959
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: two yards feeding broadside and I'm like, dude, like I

960
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 2: should just send it and like shoot this bowl. But

961
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 2: then I'm like that's a giant bowl. I don't want

962
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: to wound him. I don't have something go wrong. That's

963
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 2: a long shot. Could I hit it all day? But

964
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 2: I just I don't know, like something in my mind,

965
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 2: I just was like, I'm not going to take this shot.

966
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: So I didn't. I'm like, I'm gonna get closer. Well,

967
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: then I come through this dip crack a stick.

968
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 2: I look up and I see this calf and I'm like,

969
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 2: oh shit, you know, like in my mind, I'm just

970
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: like this is not good. Well, I didn't realize. I

971
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 2: thought he only had like five six cows and then

972
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: they're en it's being like thirty oh no, and so

973
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,479
Speaker 2: it just was like all of a sudden, the calf

974
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: like spooks and runs out, and the herd and I

975
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: got elk just kind of running. Well, he realizes something's

976
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: not right, picks him up, they all scoot run off.

977
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: He's just ripping bugles.

978
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 2: But I didn't want to spook because they didn't really

979
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: know what was going on because the calf kind of

980
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 2: spooked and so it didn't really like alert like a

981
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 2: bunch of the cows.

982
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: It just was like something's not right. So I let

983
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: him run.

984
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 2: And then I uh that night saw I was like,

985
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go back there and hunt him in the evening,

986
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: and they didn't end up coming back around a good

987
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 2: spot to hunt him. The next morning, boom, they were

988
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: there again, and I was just like, oh, round two,

989
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna kill this bowl had him again and

990
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: it just could not I mean it was just like

991
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: not working, like it's just too open. He's out in

992
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 2: the middle, like I couldn't get close enough, and so

993
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 2: I just kind of wrote it off and I ended

994
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 2: up there's a couple of guys over there that I

995
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 2: had met when I was hunting and whatnot, and they

996
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: I was asking what they were doing. And you know,

997
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 2: this Brady guy that you and I had talked about

998
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 2: a little bit, and he'd kind of been struggling this

999
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: year too, and he actually had a big chunk of

1000
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 2: private that he could hunt, and he was struggling with

1001
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 2: the private and there was no elk on it even

1002
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 2: and usually there, I mean there'll be you know, one

1003
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 2: hundred two hundred head that hang out like on this

1004
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 2: like they weren't even there. And so I ended up

1005
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 2: hunt meeting up with him and hunting, and then we

1006
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: ended up getting together and this other guy that he knows,

1007
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 2: and we got on some milk that in the morning,

1008
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 2: it was like last day I had to hunt because

1009
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 2: we were going in for this ultrasound with Kyle on Monday,

1010
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 2: and it was just like, hey, let's just get over here.

1011
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 1: We're going to get above.

1012
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: These elk in the field, and we're gonna let him

1013
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: like feed up past us, you know, and just do

1014
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: the whole ambush thing. And dude, it worked like it

1015
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: was perfect. Had the six point come by behind a

1016
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 2: cow and a calf and a spike and got on

1017
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 2: a trail and just let him feed right by, and

1018
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 2: I end up shooting stopping the thing. At fifty one,

1019
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: I shoot him and then he runs forward and stands there,

1020
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 2: and then he walks out at fifty seven and shoot

1021
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: him again, and it was just like one of those

1022
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: things that at that point I was just kind of

1023
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 2: like I didn't care how big it was, Like I

1024
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: just wanted to fill a tag with my bow before rifle.

1025
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: Season got here.

1026
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 2: And it was October eighth, and I just was kind

1027
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: of like, man, I'd punched the time clock, like I

1028
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 2: was just mentally physically like I mean, I had put

1029
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: I'd given it, like I felt like everything I have

1030
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 2: at your own yeah yeah, and so I just when

1031
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: I mean, it was even better. There was just six point,

1032
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 2: but It was just kind of like one of those

1033
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 2: things that I mean, I knew what they were going

1034
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: to do and we had ran back over and gotten

1035
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: position when I seen him kind of feeding over this

1036
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: other side along this ridge and this kid Cole and

1037
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 2: I and he actually works at ONYX, and we had

1038
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 2: ran over this ridge and got set up and when

1039
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: they started feeding, it just it was one of those

1040
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: like experience wise, you know that you know, you kind

1041
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,479
Speaker 2: of felt like looking at the situation like you knew

1042
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 2: like this is where they're going to go, you know,

1043
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: and so like making your best educated guests, you know

1044
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 2: in a sense, but like also kind of years of

1045
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 2: you know, just watching olk and seeing what they do. Yeah,

1046
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: it was just like we set up in the perfect

1047
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: spot and it was just like here they came.

1048
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: And so it worked.

1049
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: And I mean, had I not had that kind of scenario,

1050
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: you know, that morning, like I don't know, maybe I

1051
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: wouldn't you know, shot one, Like I don't know, I

1052
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: mean if I say that, then that evening we did

1053
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 2: go out and getting a bunch more balls and you

1054
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 2: know whatnot for Brady trying to get him one, and dude,

1055
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: we I mean we had elk that night like running

1056
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: all over us and like we called in a couple

1057
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: of balls and just had bad luck, you know, and

1058
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 2: it just was like it is what it is. And

1059
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: so I mean, it's like we still made the best

1060
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: of the rest of the day after we got my

1061
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: Elk taken care of, but it was just was kind

1062
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 2: of like, dude, that was like the only night really

1063
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 2: the night before, I guess, and then that that day

1064
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 2: was kind.

1065
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: Of like October eighth.

1066
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 2: It was like we had Elk doing what Elk normally

1067
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 2: should do and like being able to call him in

1068
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: and getting them mad and everything that seemed late late,

1069
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 2: but that was like the only real day. I feel

1070
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 2: like out of the rest of the season, and all

1071
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 2: the days that I punched, I literally had like three

1072
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 2: days maybe that was like Elkie.

1073
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: Like you know.

1074
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: And so I mean, yeah, I don't know what went

1075
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 2: on this year, but I feel like I put in

1076
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 2: the work. I feel like I punched a time clock.

1077
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously I filled my tag and you know,

1078
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 2: Kyle Fielder tag and whatnot, But dude, it like it

1079
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 2: was not a normal year, and I feel like we

1080
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 2: worked so hard to get those little moments of like

1081
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 2: an encounter.

1082
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was it.

1083
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 2: It was like, and you better capitalize because you may

1084
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,959
Speaker 2: only get one shot. Yeah, you may only get one shot.

1085
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: I mean, dude, I really didn't have While I say

1086
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 2: that I did have a few more, but like I

1087
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 2: look back at that first Bowl that I let go

1088
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 2: at six yards and you know how many nights like

1089
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: I went to bed and I'm like, he wasn't the

1090
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 2: biggest ball, but I'm like, I should.

1091
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: Have shot that thing. Yeah, you know, and just like,

1092
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: dang it, what did I do? What happened? That's that's

1093
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: the that's the trouble with you know, trying to like

1094
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: kill that you know, next level mature bowl. It's like, man,

1095
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: he passed on some of those, and then they come

1096
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: back to haunt you, and then you're like, man, maybe

1097
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: I should have sho started second guessing yourself. But in

1098
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 1: the end, it seemed like you had the perfect season.

1099
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: You had the highs, you had the lows, you had

1100
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: some more highs and lows. But I think that's what

1101
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: el cunning is all about. It's just that's almost like

1102
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: the perfect season if you to just go in there

1103
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: and smoke a giant on the first day or the

1104
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: first couple of days, like, would we appreciate like when

1105
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: we finally do get like like we do get that giant,

1106
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: mature bowl, would we appreciate it as much? I don't know.

1107
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, like, you know, I don't think so,

1108
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: you know. And like the thing is, I was so funny, dude,

1109
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 2: I killed that elk and I literally like went down

1110
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 2: to it facetimed Kyle, and it was like I had

1111
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: more appreciation for that six point it was you know,

1112
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: it was like nothing. It wasn't even as big as hers,

1113
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 2: you know. And it's like she usually she gets like

1114
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 2: gives me crap because she's like, oh, yeah, John always

1115
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 2: kills a bigger animal than his wife, you know, like

1116
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 2: type of thing. And I'm just like, no, like it

1117
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 2: just like sometimes how it works out. But I'm like,

1118
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 2: this year, you killed a bigger elk than me. But

1119
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, I was more proud of that bowl.

1120
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 2: And like when I put the horns up out here

1121
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 2: in the garage and I just was like, I am

1122
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 2: more proud of that freaking elk than the ones hanging

1123
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 2: out here that when you drive in and look at him,

1124
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 2: and I'm like, man, those are impressive. And then it's like, oh,

1125
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 2: I hang this other one over here, but I'm like, it.

1126
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: Worked your ass off for that, dude. Yeah, Like it's

1127
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 1: so weird.

1128
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 2: It's like I literally just I feel like I accomplished

1129
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 2: some shit, you know, Like I just like I feel

1130
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 2: like I put in so much effort and time and energy.

1131
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 2: It was just like I didn't even care about the horns.

1132
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: I was so excited just that.

1133
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 2: I mean, dude could have been a cow and I

1134
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 2: still would have probably had those same exact emotions because

1135
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 2: I felt like I put in so much effort that

1136
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: it was.

1137
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 1: Just like I did it. Your each your goal, Yeah

1138
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: you got one.

1139
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 2: I got one with a bow. Like I didn't even care,

1140
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: you know, about the size. It was just like I

1141
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 2: got it. So I think it was almost like a

1142
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 2: good year to reset, because I feel like the last

1143
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 2: couple of years it was like really good, and then

1144
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 2: I look at it and I was just like, I

1145
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: can't keep doing it.

1146
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: We've got to get humbled every now and then, you know,

1147
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: if not, If not, then you start to start thinking

1148
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 1: stuff like man, I got these elk figured out. Yeah,

1149
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: and then you needed you need a year like this

1150
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: year to like, you know, take you down a notch. Yeah,

1151
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: I know it did me. I mean, and I always

1152
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: know that I don't know everything about ELK. I'll feed

1153
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: the first to admit it, and I get I get

1154
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: learned up schooled every year by Elk. But this year,

1155
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: my my season wasn't a lot of different than yours.

1156
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: In the beginning, I'd done my homework all summer. I

1157
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: had trail camp with some big bulls. We were just

1158
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: looking at them, and I had some pretty impressive trail cameras,

1159
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: some really big bulls. I'm like, I'm probably just gonna

1160
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:50,919
Speaker 1: shoot that. I don't know if I shoot that one,

1161
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: but I would definitely shoot this one. But you know,

1162
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: maybe if I got desperate, i'd shoot this other one.

1163
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: But you know, that's a little collie. Anybody would give

1164
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: their left leg to freaking shoot either one, right, their

1165
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: beautiful bulls. And so I'm hunting this new unit closer

1166
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 1: to home. My son, Austin, he he hasn't hunted much

1167
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: with me in the last few years. He's been working

1168
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: all the time, and finally he's able to get away

1169
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: a little bit and I'm like, well it, let's hunt

1170
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: a little closer to home so you can have more

1171
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: time to come join in, but I went on opening day.

1172
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: I was up there the day before opening day, put

1173
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: my camp up, got ready, was just poised to just

1174
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: just dump jump right in. I was so pumped. And

1175
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: Opening day was flat, it was kind of rainy. A

1176
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: trail camera had a mountain lying on it where it

1177
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: had elk earlier. You know, it's just like I went

1178
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: to check my camera. It's like, oh yeah, ilk currentt

1179
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: rely even here now. So anyway, fast forward day two.

1180
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: I tried a little different spot on the other side

1181
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: of the mountains, like, well it was elk, where'd they go?

1182
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 1: Maybe they went on the other side of the mountain here,

1183
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: get over there. First thing, bam right out of the

1184
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: right out of the starting gate. Get a bolt of bugle,

1185
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 1: climb up in there, and this bowl is bugling pretty good.

1186
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: I think I might call him in, and then he

1187
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,879
Speaker 1: kind of starts slowing down. It's like, oh man, he's

1188
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: slowing down. I think he's going to bed. And he

1189
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 1: went to bed and he bedded in this reprod thicket

1190
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: and reprod that's reproduction. So years ago, probably twenty years ago.

1191
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: They logged this place and then replanted it, and it's

1192
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: grown back. When it grows back, it usually grows back

1193
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 1: way thicker than the forest was when they logged it. Right,

1194
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 1: you know, there's lots of young trees, lots of fresh

1195
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: tree so it's thick with trees and it's thick with brush.

1196
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 1: So this bowl's up here, bedded in this thing, and

1197
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get close. And what I'm trying

1198
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 1: to do, I'm trying to self film myself too, because

1199
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: cameraman Dusty, he can't come yet. And I was like, well,

1200
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: I got to be here for the opener, right, I'm

1201
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 1: gonna go out for the first three days a season.

1202
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I'm gonna film this myself. So I've

1203
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: got my camera and I got my tripod and I

1204
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: look like a monkey trying to hump a football man.

1205
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: It was. It was bad. I was like, but I'm

1206
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: trying to get the shots, you know, and I'm getting

1207
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: I'm moving in on this bowl and I'm in his

1208
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: betting area and he moved, he leaving, so I'm getting close.

1209
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: And finally I thought, okay, I'm super cool. I'm within

1210
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: eighty yards of this thing. So I start calling again

1211
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: and he answers a little bit. He answers maybe once

1212
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: or twice, but it's like you can tell he just

1213
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: he's just kind of going, just doing that moany bugle.

1214
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: He's not interesting. He's not coming in. So I'm like, okay,

1215
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: I gotta get move up. So I move up, and

1216
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: I move up, and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna push

1217
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: a little more pressure and like I'm gonna move up

1218
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: to where I'm gonna see this thing, and he's gonna

1219
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: like he's gonna have to show himself. Well my error.

1220
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: I made this error. It was on this north facing slope,

1221
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: but there was a little beam of sunlight shining down.

1222
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: And I've always said, you know, stay out of the

1223
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: side and say, stand in the shadows. You know, be

1224
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 1: a vampire, right, stay in the shadows. I walked to

1225
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: that beam of sunlight, and that sucker pops up up

1226
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: out of bed. He sees me, pops up out of bed,

1227
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: and I see a brief glimpse of him going away.

1228
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: I think he's one of my target balls. I think

1229
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: he was the lesser of the lesser of the two,

1230
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 1: but still a freaking dandy, right, yeah, And he goes away,

1231
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 1: but he doesn't spook up. He didn't know what he saw.

1232
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: He just didn't like what he saw. So I called

1233
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: a bugle, cow call, and I sat down right there,

1234
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, man, sit down here for a

1235
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: little bit and think about my choices in life. What

1236
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: have I done to myself. I'm like, I'm in a

1237
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 1: bad place. It's like nasty, yeah, and I'm sitting there.

1238
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: I sit there for like thirty minutes. I'm pretty sure

1239
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: I hear a stick pop, I hear another stick pop,

1240
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: and I bugle that's him. He left, made a big circle,

1241
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: came back, and it beds down like fifty yards right

1242
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: below his for first bed. And I sit there the

1243
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 1: rest of the day with him right there. He ain't

1244
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: coming in, he don't care. So sit there the rest

1245
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,479
Speaker 1: of the day. Now the day goes by. I'm ticking.

1246
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: I'm hours like this was like nine o'clock in the morning,

1247
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: eight o'clock in the morning, when I put him to bed,

1248
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,720
Speaker 1: he had this encounter. Fast forward to like five o'clock.

1249
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: I'm there. The wind had been like amazing all day,

1250
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: and I had an elk all around. So at five

1251
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: he gets up, stretches a little bit, bugles, and then

1252
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 1: he starts moving. And then I hear him bugle up here,

1253
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: and he can kind of switch his position. He gets

1254
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: in a better position for me. So I'm like, all right,

1255
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: here we go. I kind of went quiet too, I

1256
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: didn't said anything. So I get over there super close,

1257
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: start calling, don't really care. But then he'll bugle, but

1258
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: he ain't bugling at me. And then way off in

1259
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: the distance, I hear this other bowl bugle, like across

1260
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: the drainage. Hear this other bul bugle. Person is getting closer,

1261
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,439
Speaker 1: person is getting closer. I'm like, that bull's coming over here.

1262
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: That bull comes all the way across the drange, hits

1263
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: the crik, climbs up our side, and now I'm in

1264
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: the between these two bulls, Like I need to get

1265
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: forward of another fifty yards and I'm gonna be on

1266
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: a direct b line between the two, but I'm kind

1267
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,959
Speaker 1: of pinned down. Well, finally that bowl, that one gets

1268
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: up there into that position and he bugles, and the

1269
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: bull on the top of the hill he'd been bugling

1270
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: like a raghorn. Just we talked earlier about how they

1271
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: you know, oh yeah, it's harder to judge a bull

1272
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: by bulls, I feel like they're like people. They they

1273
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: kind of speak to their disposition. So all day he'd

1274
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: just been kind of being real, very coy, just like

1275
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: these wimpy moany, crappy bugles. When that bowl got within

1276
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:09,919
Speaker 1: one hundred yards of him and bugled, that bull gave

1277
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: him the biggest King Kong Godzilla, f you bugle you've

1278
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: ever heard. He bugles so hardy cut out at the top,

1279
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: at the high note, He's just like I was like, oh,

1280
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: oh man, this is gonna happen. They're like they're gonna fight. Yeah,

1281
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: the other bull. All I heard was crash, crash, crash crash.

1282
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: He took off, he was gone, he left, and then

1283
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: the bull come off the hill. He comes boiling off

1284
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: the hill and it was so brushy I couldn't see him.

1285
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: He come boiling off the hill and went right after

1286
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: him and chased him. Cla Claire out of the canyon.

1287
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,479
Speaker 1: I heard more. I heard more bugling out of the canyon.

1288
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: Was like, crazy, what the heck just happened? I worked,

1289
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: I worked all day try to say things to make

1290
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: him mad, and he didn't really care. He just to

1291
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: give me these like whatever. For whatever reason, he hated

1292
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,959
Speaker 1: that other bowl. I feel like elk are not too

1293
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: dissimilar than people, like like they have attitudes, they have egos,

1294
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: obviously have they have mortal enemies that they don't like.

1295
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: There's like, you know, there's probably those one people that

1296
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: just that really rub you wrong, and if they said

1297
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: the wrong thing, you'd probably get right in their face. Yeah,

1298
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: that was that bowl.

1299
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 2: He probably he probably knew that bowl and was like nope,

1300
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 2: Like we spent all summer together.

1301
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: I heard you once. Yeah, we're done. I will not

1302
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: have allowed there, yeah, like absolutely not. So I'm like, man,

1303
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: this is great, this is going to be good. So

1304
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,919
Speaker 1: I go back there the next day. It's a ghost town.

1305
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: Crickets those when he left and pushed out of their

1306
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: bowl out they went somewhere else. So I had one

1307
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: more day, so I hunted around. I never I got

1308
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: up on top of that ridge that they went off

1309
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: on top of and out of the canyon, and I walked.

1310
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: I think I walked eight miles that that that day,

1311
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: like in and out, and I did not I found

1312
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: I found a place where some bulls had fought, could

1313
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: have been them, but I could not buy a bugle.

1314
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: I was in the dark, like well, I walked for

1315
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: like an hour in the dark on the way back,

1316
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: crazy and did not hear a peep. If it wouldn't

1317
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: have been for the tracks, if you'd have told anybody like, yeah,

1318
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: I had some balls in this area, bugle, and there

1319
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: had been like uh huh, you're a liar, they'd have

1320
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: made the biggest liar out of me. So anyway, I'm like,

1321
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: Labor Day weekends coming up, I'm gonna get out of

1322
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: the woods. A lot of people recreate. I'm like, I

1323
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: don't want to deal with all the four wheelers and

1324
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: the UTVs and the dirt bikes and all the you know,

1325
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: let the people have their fun after the weekend. I'll

1326
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: go back. So I went home, spent time with family,

1327
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: went back after the weekend, and all the people that

1328
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: were pulling in for the weekend were still there. Times ten,

1329
01:00:56,520 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know this, but this place is pop popular,

1330
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: like really popular. And dude, there anywhere anywhere you could

1331
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: possibly camp, like a place that was big enough to

1332
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: put a tent or a camper where there was a

1333
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: tent or a camper there and maybe two three four pickups.

1334
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: Every trailhead had had four or five pickups every every

1335
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: road that you could ride a four wheeler or a

1336
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: quad or an ATV or a UTV urbike. It was

1337
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: like a swarm of bees, like you could just hear.

1338
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: So my son gets there, I'm like, man, I don't

1339
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: know what we're gonna do. So we canvassed this area,

1340
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: you know, not in this zone. There's several units within

1341
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: this zone that make up this elk hunting zone, and

1342
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: I we canvassed every fricking zone. And it was the

1343
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: same story anywhere that was like, oh, that's beautiful old

1344
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: country there was it was. It was loaded with folks.

1345
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: So we did find some elk. We did chase around

1346
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: some bugles a couple of days, but then within no

1347
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: time at all, there was other folks, you know, found

1348
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 1: him too. So finally it's like, I'm about ready to

1349
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: like go somewhere else. I got this Montana tag burn

1350
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: a hole in my pocket. Maybe we should get over there.

1351
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: And Austin's like yeah, He's like, I'll go back home.

1352
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: I got some chores I gotta do and I to

1353
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: get it back to work anyway. So I'm like, all right, great,

1354
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: So we left. He just kind of wrote off that

1355
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: Idaho tag. Unfortunately I really didn't want to, but I could.

1356
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: I could just see the writing on the wall. I

1357
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 1: could spend several more days there, you know, spend a

1358
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: bunch more gas money just trying to get find, you know, somewhere,

1359
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 1: you know, spend lots of boot leather hiking around. But

1360
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: we weren't going to escape the other people. So it's like,

1361
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 1: let's let's go go to plan be well. Dusty camera man, Dusty,

1362
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: he had a milk tag in a different part of

1363
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: the state. I'm like, hey, on the way to Montana,

1364
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: why don't we just stop in for a few days

1365
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: for your tag, Dusty, And he's like, yeah, that'd be great.

1366
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: So we go over to his spot. And this spot,

1367
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: it's a where he was at. It's a cap zone.

1368
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 1: So Idaho only sells so many tags in this zone,

1369
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: the limit number. It's not a drawing. But but when

1370
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: they're gone, they're gone. Unlike some over the or the

1371
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: over the counter. They'll sell as many elk tags as

1372
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: people will buy, which is I think is what they

1373
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 1: did in that other unit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So

1374
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: we went to this other unit. We did hear some

1375
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: bulls bugle. They'd only bugle once or twice. They didn't

1376
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: act right, and and we would fight a bowl and

1377
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: nobody would be nobody was around, and we would call

1378
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: a little bit to it, and I'm like, all right,

1379
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 1: let's let's get like one or two more replies from

1380
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 1: this bowl and then we'll go after it. Sure, And

1381
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: then the second time the bull would reply, it was

1382
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: a little further away, and the third time I would

1383
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: reply it was further away. Yet I was like, what

1384
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: the heck and this is and we heard in two days,

1385
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,919
Speaker 1: we heard twelve different bulls bugle there out there. Yeah,

1386
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: they didn't want anything to do with our calls. And

1387
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: then we trained areas two or three times, so I

1388
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: think we spent four days in that area, and it

1389
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: just like there was more and more and more people

1390
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: all the time. It's like you would find it a

1391
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 1: spot where some milk and then prettysume more people woul

1392
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 1: show up. So I'm like, well, my buddies in Montana

1393
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: are saying they're killing bulls and they're talking, so let's go.

1394
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 1: I feel like we should have probably went to Montana

1395
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: first and they came and hit that Idaho on the

1396
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: back back end, But I mean, you don't know what

1397
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: you know, right, So we get up to Montana. Well,

1398
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: a few days before you know, guys, are you know

1399
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: having some success, bulls talking, they're killing some bulls. We

1400
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: get up here and it's like we were like caught

1401
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 1: the back end of that little wave, like like how

1402
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: you talked, like it was good for a day or

1403
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: two and then it kind of would like collapse for

1404
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: a few days, like a week, and then you'd get

1405
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: a couple more good days and they would kind of collapse.

1406
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: And that's kind of like what we found. We got

1407
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: here with all these high hopes and it was pretty quiet.

1408
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: It was a ghost town. And then finally we had

1409
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: we had one We had one day that was like

1410
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 1: a like a rut melee, rutfest, whatever you want to

1411
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: call it. We had bulls bugling all over We had

1412
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 1: this bowl bugling down over in this little can't draw

1413
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: below us. And it was by the shape of the

1414
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 1: land and the geography. If you've hunded Elk much and

1415
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 1: you understand like how sound and their bugles reflect, refract, re,

1416
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 1: relay to you from different terrain features, So like if

1417
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: they're down in a deep draw, they get a little echoey.

1418
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: If they're over on an open face, or if they're

1419
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 1: on a face directly acrossroom beer. It's a lot clearer,

1420
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: more clear sound. Anyway, this bull was down in this

1421
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 1: hole below us, and it sounded really muffled and kind

1422
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: of echoey, like we couldn't really pinpoint where he's at.

1423
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: And I'm looking at my on ax, I'm just like,

1424
01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 1: I just don't understand, like why this sounds this way,

1425
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: because the map doesn't say it sure that they should

1426
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 1: sound like this. And I'm trying to figure this out,

1427
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: and I'm bugling, and I'm i'm I'm I'm going all out.

1428
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: I am hitting, like every ten seconds, I'm ripping the

1429
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: meanest ass bugle, lip ball bugle you've ever heard, and

1430
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: then mix in with some cow calls, excited cow calls,

1431
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: and this bull is eating it up, eating it up,

1432
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: and then pretty soon it's like, oh, Dusty, he's coming.

1433
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: He sounds closer, let's go. So we start working down

1434
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 1: our way down the Settle ridge and it's kind of burnt,

1435
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: kind of burned there, and I take five steps and

1436
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: I look up that bull. He's marching up the hill

1437
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: right to us, like he did not sound that close.

1438
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 1: It was one of those weird places where or and

1439
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was bugling quiet or what,

1440
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 1: but I thought he was further away anyway. I look

1441
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 1: up here, that sucker is just on a on a

1442
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: bee line, coming right to us. And then I see

1443
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 1: him and I stop and freeze, and then he sees us,

1444
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 1: and he stops and freezing, and then we have the

1445
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: stair down felt like forever. And then finally he kind

1446
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 1: of like locks his lips a little bit and kind

1447
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 1: of looks around. He's like bugles. I'm like, oh, that's

1448
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: a good signing. He don't he don't recognize us as people.

1449
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: And then he kind of looks around and there's it's

1450
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: a windfall jungle. It's a burnt right, it's a windfall.

1451
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: It's a mess. And he's like like looking this way,

1452
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: like like trying to decipher which way he wants to come.

1453
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: And then he turns and starts to walk off. I'm

1454
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 1: like no, So he walks out of sight and I

1455
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 1: run down the hill fifty yards because he's at ninety.

1456
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 1: Whenever he catches us, I scream. He pops up, He

1457
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 1: pops back up, facing us. He immediately he runs back

1458
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 1: up the hill right to us, and then he's like

1459
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 1: looking around. He's like I don't see no elk So

1460
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 1: then he turns around and goes back out of sight,

1461
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 1: and then I just run hard as hard as I can,

1462
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 1: and then drop over the side of this liddle. It's

1463
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: kind of like a little hog backridge. I drop off

1464
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 1: the side. I'm like, okay, and then he's like fifty

1465
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 1: sixty yards. I don't really want to shoot that far anyway,

1466
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: and then there's just way too much brush and crap.

1467
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: There's you know, that stupid fireweed that grows that purple

1468
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: flower fireweed. That stuff's like shoulder high, and there's just

1469
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 1: all sorts of just crap, and it just there wasn't

1470
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 1: a good clear shop even if I wanted to shoot

1471
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: that far, which I typically don't. And anyway that he

1472
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 1: drug us down in there, we pursued him. There was

1473
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 1: other bulls in there, and we just we went. We

1474
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: went to every corner of this big basin, chasing bugles

1475
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 1: all day and finally some at one point I just

1476
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 1: put my tube away. I just quit colin. They were

1477
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:42,640
Speaker 1: bugling so much. I'm just like almost gonna walk right

1478
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 1: up on them, and a couple of times I did.

1479
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 1: We got really close, just not close enough, you know,

1480
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 1: there sixty eighty yards out. It's pretty you got down there,

1481
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 1: it is open enough where they can pick you off.

1482
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 1: But we chased bugles all day, awesome day. Went back

1483
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 1: the next day. There's four four pickups sparked there. Everybody

1484
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: else found them too, Yeah, everyone else. So I'm not,

1485
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not into combat hunting. I don't. I

1486
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 1: don't want to get in there and have to compete

1487
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: with other people and I want to mess them up.

1488
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 1: I don't want them to mess me up. So I'm

1489
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 1: just like, well, we'll go somewhere else, we'll go find someone,

1490
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 1: we'll get this. We'll let those guys kind of stir

1491
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 1: it up for a day or two and then we'll

1492
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 1: go back. Yeah. But every time we went back there

1493
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 1: was there was guys there. But we bounced around all

1494
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 1: over the unit, you know, all over this mountain range

1495
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 1: and tried different spots, and we found towards the end

1496
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 1: of the season, towards the end of our time that

1497
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 1: we could be there. The last three days, I think

1498
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: we found some more balls. We got into them and

1499
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 1: chased them around, but it's just like they kept that

1500
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 1: magic buffer between you and it was pretty open timber,

1501
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 1: and they and we'd advance and we we'd we'd hear

1502
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: them bugle and I would just I wouldn't even call

1503
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 1: until I was like, okay, I'm gonna walk until I

1504
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 1: almost step on these things. And we'd walk right up

1505
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: on him and then call and then it just didn't

1506
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 1: just didn't does not happen. Yeah, And the last night

1507
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 1: we had this bowl, we did we'd done that, we'd

1508
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 1: we come we in the morning, we'd heard five different bulls.

1509
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: Well that night I'd put marks on on X. I'm like, okay,

1510
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 1: well this this afternoon, this evening, we're gonna walk up

1511
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 1: here and we're gonna go to every single one of

1512
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 1: those marks and see if we can find that bowl.

1513
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 1: And we found every single one of those bulls, but

1514
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: they did not want to play. And then we'd heard

1515
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: a different bowl. We didn't hear it all in the morning,

1516
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 1: this big nasty growler bowl, and I'm like, oh, yeah,

1517
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 1: that's we didn't hear him before. That's the bag, the

1518
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 1: big daddy, And it was like one of again, it's

1519
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 1: like one of those weal. Echoey is like I couldn't like,

1520
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: where is that coming from? Dusty, And He's like I

1521
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 1: can't tell it was just like you would hear it,

1522
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 1: and then you when you hear a bugle, you kind

1523
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: of turn your head a little bit and like try

1524
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 1: to like get your your ears orientated to the direction

1525
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 1: to like pick it up. And we could not pinpoint it.

1526
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 1: So I'm just like, okay, we got a hike, hike up,

1527
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 1: so we'd already come down from this section, so my

1528
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 1: hike up, up up. We got to get hired to

1529
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: hear what this thing is that finally we figured out.

1530
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 1: So we put the move on him. And this bowl

1531
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 1: was so smart, like as we'd get close and I

1532
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 1: would call to him and he'd take off and he

1533
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: would make it like he would make this J hook pattern,

1534
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 1: so he'd go and make a J like straight line,

1535
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 1: like on the same contour line as us, and then

1536
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 1: he would hook up and get right above us, and

1537
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 1: he would shut up, and we'd go past him, and

1538
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, where did he go? And finally a bugle

1539
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 1: right above us but back, and I was just like,

1540
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 1: finally fed up. I'm like, all right, this is it, guys,

1541
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: and this is the way the season ended. And then

1542
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 1: I'm kind of talking to the camera and I'm like

1543
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:49,560
Speaker 1: and then he bugles one more time. Like, if I

1544
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,640
Speaker 1: run up there right now, I think he might have

1545
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 1: enough light, we might have enough light left to shoot him.

1546
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 1: I if he just stands there, just dumb lucky, I

1547
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 1: just run up on him. So I take off charging

1548
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 1: like a wild bowl. Right, I'm like a bowl out

1549
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm screaming and I'm running hard as I

1550
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 1: can at this bowl because this is that, this is

1551
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 1: all the putting, all the chips on the table, the

1552
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: last chance, and he j hooked me again, and I'm

1553
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: just like, all right, well that's that's the end of

1554
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 1: the story. Yeah, I'm sorry. You know you didn't get one, guys.

1555
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 1: But I you know, in the whole season, I did

1556
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,640
Speaker 1: I draw my drew my bow back twice. It was

1557
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: it was September twenty ninth before I drew my bow

1558
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 1: for the first time of the season, so you tell

1559
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 1: like it was just a weird year. And then on

1560
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 1: that first time, I had a big I did have

1561
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 1: a beautiful six point come in. I don't want to

1562
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:46,839
Speaker 1: spoil it because you're gonna watch the video at some point.

1563
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 1: But misjudge the yardage, you know, I'd ranged everything. I

1564
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 1: misjudge which tree was what. I guess I'm getting old.

1565
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 1: It's not as polished as I thought. I was shut

1566
01:12:57,439 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 1: right over. This freaking bull's back is BEAUTI football and

1567
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 1: we had some fun, but we've really got our teeth

1568
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 1: kicked in really hard and it hurts a lot. And

1569
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to.

1570
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 2: Like like shake it off, like you're you're back out

1571
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:15,720
Speaker 2: here right on.

1572
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 1: I've I've spent more days elk hunting, and I hunted

1573
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 1: elk in Idaho with a rifle. I got the probably

1574
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 1: the worst rifle tag. I've always said this, this this

1575
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 1: unit is arguably the worst one in Idaho. It's wolf infested.

1576
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 1: Their elk numbers are tanked, but it's beautiful. I love

1577
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 1: the country found success there last year. I'm like, you know,

1578
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go up there. I just need some me time.

1579
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go by myself a lot. I got up

1580
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 1: there and I got really close and had another hunter

1581
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 1: followed up. But anyway, I've spent more time hunting elk

1582
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 1: this year than any year I've ever I make I

1583
01:13:55,360 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 1: spent ninety percent of September on into October archer hunting.

1584
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 1: I spent I was in the woods Elkwood's October fifth

1585
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 1: through October twentieth, and I know, and now here I

1586
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 1: am in Montana doing her again. I'm just hoping it's

1587
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: a deer year. Yeah, I'm just hoping, Like I'm just

1588
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: kind of starting I'm starting to think, starting to think.

1589
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's always hope, but I'm starting to think, Man,

1590
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 1: maybe it's a deer year. Maybe I'll get a nice

1591
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 1: meal to your buck, and I'll get a nice white

1592
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 1: tail buck. And it's a deer year. And I've had

1593
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 1: those before. Yeah, but you can't they all can't be diamonds, right, No,

1594
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: that's very true.

1595
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 2: I mean, heck, last night we were sitting out there

1596
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 2: in the truck and you call an elk right.

1597
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 1: To the truck. I called it. Yeah November what yeah? No, yeah,

1598
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 1: it's well October, t it's October twenty ninth, it's almost November. Yeah,

1599
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:47,600
Speaker 1: and you call one right to the freaking hood of

1600
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 1: the truck. Pretty much. So, I mean it was a baby, Yeah,

1601
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 1: it was a baby. But it was legal to shoot it.

1602
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 1: And it was like, I can't shoot that. It was cute. Cute? Yeah,

1603
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 1: it does to take its life for such little meat,

1604
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:02,600
Speaker 1: that would just be wrong. Yeah, for sure, but it

1605
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 1: was cool to see. But it was cool.

1606
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,639
Speaker 2: But the fact, I mean you did calling right, Yeah

1607
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 2: went in. So I mean there's that but.

1608
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 1: Still got it.

1609
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you still got it. I mean that was the

1610
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 2: plus out of the whole season. But yeah, you know,

1611
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like this year was tough. I

1612
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 2: talked to so many people and I mean like other people,

1613
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 2: like I mean even hunting the area I was in

1614
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 2: and like you know areas that you know around, and man,

1615
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 2: it was a struggle. It was not a normal like

1616
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 2: what I would call like normal elk here. I feel

1617
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 2: like heck, like both of us, like we've had years

1618
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:32,559
Speaker 2: and it's like you feel you're just like, oh yeah,

1619
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:33,679
Speaker 2: I'm gonna bowl.

1620
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 1: Sounds good.

1621
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna call him in and check him out. I'm

1622
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 2: gonna call that ball in, check him out. Just this year,

1623
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 2: they just didn't want to play the game, you know.

1624
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 2: And it's so, I mean, it's like I look back

1625
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I feel like I learned a lot

1626
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:45,480
Speaker 2: and I feel like I had a lot of experiences

1627
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 2: and like got in on them. But dude, I mean

1628
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 2: overall it was like experience wise, I feel like it

1629
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 2: was hard, you know, And so I mean, I, you know,

1630
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 2: I don't know, feel fortunate, but it's like you talk

1631
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 2: about being humbled, and I mean, I feel like this year.

1632
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 1: Really kind of kicked ye. Yeah, you know, yeah. So yeah,

1633
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 1: I'm a beginner again. Yeah, I'm born again. I started

1634
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 1: at square. Next year's square one, back to zero, back

1635
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 1: to zero, back to zero. I did have a theory.

1636
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 1: I did have a theory. And I don't know if

1637
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,639
Speaker 1: I advertise this on this podcast. I know I've talked

1638
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 1: about it others before but in the past, but I

1639
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 1: call it the Year of the huckleberry, and this is

1640
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 1: my theory year of the huckleberry. This year, all over

1641
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 1: Idaho was a banner year for a huckleberry. And a

1642
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 1: huckleberry if you don't know what that is, it looks

1643
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 1: like a blueberry, but there they grow in the mountains.

1644
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 1: They have three times as much potency and flavor than

1645
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 1: a blueberry does. They're amazing to make great pie, jelly wine,

1646
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 1: whatever you want to make out of them. But anyway,

1647
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 1: this year was a banner year for huckleberries. And I

1648
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:54,679
Speaker 1: always say during the year of the huckleberry, elk don't

1649
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:58,639
Speaker 1: bugle for shit, And this year proved it again and

1650
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 1: what causes that you're of the huckleberry In my opinion,

1651
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: and this is probably true, but lots and lots of moisture.

1652
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,600
Speaker 1: You got a really good snowpack from last winter, and

1653
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:12,440
Speaker 1: then you have a wet summer. And that's true like everywhere.

1654
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:14,839
Speaker 1: Like when I was doing all my cameras this summer,

1655
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 1: there was several days on cameras where it was like wet,

1656
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 1: you know, the animals were wet, you could see the rain,

1657
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 1: or there was bushes moving on a rainstorm. I hot

1658
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 1: picked that up. And we had an abnormally wet summer

1659
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 1: in North Idaho and throughout the region, and and some

1660
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 1: some areas had some really bad winters. You look at

1661
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 1: southeast Idaho, you look at part of Utah, they had

1662
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 1: they had one hundred year winter, lots of moisture, they

1663
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 1: had a lot of a lot of herd mortality. And

1664
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 1: then when you're heard when you start having herds, I think,

1665
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:52,799
Speaker 1: and this is opinion, I don't know if this is true.

1666
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 1: I feel like whenever your your elk goes so far

1667
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 1: in the negative, like in their in their physical condition

1668
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:03,680
Speaker 1: to just to stay alive, and then spring comes and

1669
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 1: they have to kind of build back from there. I

1670
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 1: don't think sometimes by September they're built back good enough,

1671
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:15,480
Speaker 1: like they just don't have enough yet to just go bananas.

1672
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 1: And Phelps did a podcast. You guys have to look

1673
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 1: this up. I don't know which podcast number it was

1674
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:21,719
Speaker 1: or what the biologist name, but he did a podcast

1675
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 1: with a biologist out of Utah that talked about how

1676
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 1: cows don't come into heat every year. Sometimes they do.

1677
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 1: Sometimes a lot of the cows coming to heat, sometimes

1678
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 1: hardly any of the cows coming to heat. And it

1679
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 1: all in his opinion, from the data shows that physical

1680
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,559
Speaker 1: condition of the cow dictates when she's going to come

1681
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 1: into heat come into estress. Interesting, and if she doesn't

1682
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 1: achieve the proper physical fitness you know, to to to

1683
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 1: become pregnant and to carry a calf through the winter,

1684
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 1: she won't go into estress. And this year, I feel

1685
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 1: like that kind of really prove that, that idea prove

1686
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 1: that because a lot of the West, you know, had

1687
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 1: some pretty bad winners and those cows went probably in

1688
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 1: the minus yeah to have to try to like come

1689
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 1: back though we did have really wet summer, lots of feed.

1690
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 1: But I don't know if that didn't I don't know

1691
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 1: if that helped or not to enough degree. But also

1692
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 1: back to the Year of the Huckleberry. Yeah, when you have

1693
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 1: a wet summer, you have feed everywhere. On a dry year,

1694
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 1: things dry up. On a drought year, things dry up

1695
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 1: and the good feed is concentrated in smaller areas, and

1696
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:38,640
Speaker 1: elk have to go to those areas. Now there's a

1697
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:42,680
Speaker 1: lot more competition for breeding rights. This year there was

1698
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 1: food everywhere. They didn't have to congregate, they didn't have

1699
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 1: to concentrate, and there was a lot less a lot

1700
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 1: less competition for breeding per se. Like if a bull

1701
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 1: had some cows, he may not he could push those

1702
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 1: cows wherever you want and may not encounter anymore else,

1703
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 1: especially in the area with low elktons. So that's my

1704
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:05,639
Speaker 1: theory on the Year of Huckleberry. I may be wrong,

1705
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:09,680
Speaker 1: but I still think there's something to it. But I

1706
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 1: mean it's true, though. I tell us what you think.

1707
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 1: You can email us at CTD at Phelps Game Calls

1708
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 1: dot com. Let us know about your the Huckleberry, let

1709
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 1: us know about what your experience. Did you have a

1710
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 1: banner year like elk the elk rutt year of your

1711
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 1: life or was it kind of like what we described

1712
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:31,599
Speaker 1: really hit and miss and just kind of prey lackluster. Yeah,

1713
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 1: I'd be curious. I want to know. I want to

1714
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 1: hear from people. Yeah, well, thanks John Man. I appreciate

1715
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 1: you coming on here. I don't think people Sometimes people

1716
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 1: they see the success of other hunters, but they don't

1717
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 1: know the homework that is put into it. And I can.

1718
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 1: I'm here to tell you. John and his wife Kylie Kyle,

1719
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 1: if you will, they put in their homework, and she's

1720
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:57,799
Speaker 1: right there with him. They spend their summers, well, everybody

1721
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:00,639
Speaker 1: else is out jet skiing and watersk in and doing

1722
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 1: fun stuff like that. John is grinding in the mountains.

1723
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 1: He is sitting behind binoculars, He's sitting behind a spotting scope.

1724
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 1: He's hiking up hills, he's stashing water five miles from

1725
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 1: the truck, packing it in and the dead dead heat

1726
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 1: of summer. That way he has it in September. Myself,

1727
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 1: I do a ton of summer work, setting trail cameras,

1728
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 1: packing heavy loads all over the place, doing things that

1729
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:30,879
Speaker 1: most people. I can't get anybody to help me. Nobody's

1730
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:34,720
Speaker 1: gonna help me because it sucks. Everybody's like, oh, I'm

1731
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 1: going to the river. I'm going swim, I'm going to

1732
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 1: the lake. Man, I'm I'm I don't see much river

1733
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:42,680
Speaker 1: time or lake time in the summer every now and

1734
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 1: then I do. But but man, I but it's a

1735
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:49,760
Speaker 1: labor of love, it is. And that's the thing.

1736
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I you know, we kind of really touch

1737
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 2: on it a ton, but it's, you know, one of

1738
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 2: those things where I think both of us, it's like

1739
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 2: can share that kind of passion and that drive to

1740
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 2: like want to achieve and just spend time in the

1741
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 2: woods because like we love it, you know, and I

1742
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 2: think that's the biggest thing. But it's like three hundred

1743
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 2: and sixty five days a year, you know. It's like

1744
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about it all the time. We're researching. Heck,

1745
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 2: how many times we bounce ideas off each other like spot, yeah, exactly.

1746
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 2: And so I mean it's like I'm always learning. I'm

1747
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 2: all I feel like I'm a student of the game,

1748
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 2: like you know, like I'm always trying to figure it

1749
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:24,639
Speaker 2: out and like learn and how can I do things better.

1750
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 2: I feel like we could do a whole podcast just

1751
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 2: on like talking about you know, the scouting phase, like

1752
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 2: the stuff that we do that leads up to those

1753
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 2: successful moments, you know, and like in everything and like

1754
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 2: how I mean this year, like I felt like a struggle,

1755
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 2: but I feel like we also had a heck of

1756
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:44,680
Speaker 2: a game plan. And it's like, looking back, if I

1757
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:47,679
Speaker 2: didn't have all that time scouting and knowledge and stuff

1758
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,640
Speaker 2: that I had done in the off season, I don't know,

1759
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 2: Like I mean, probably have had a lot tougher season

1760
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 2: than it even was.

1761
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:56,639
Speaker 1: After the first time you went from having good luck

1762
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 1: to bad luck, your plan would have fizzled because you

1763
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 1: didn't have any other plans to backup plans, right, and

1764
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 1: then you've been like, well let's go home, And I

1765
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 1: think you know a lot of folks that don't have

1766
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 1: that second plan.

1767
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:13,639
Speaker 2: That's what happens. Yeah, get your plans right, man, yep.

1768
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 2: And I think that's the biggest thing. It's just to anybody,

1769
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 2: is like, study have plans A through Z and then

1770
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 2: some and just keep checking the boxes. And it's like

1771
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:26,800
Speaker 2: when things get tough, which we both experienced this here

1772
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 2: a lot, it's like you can't give up, you know.

1773
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:31,719
Speaker 2: It's like you got to keep punching that time clock

1774
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 2: and hey, it might come down to the last day

1775
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 2: and a bull jay hooks in the last ten minutes.

1776
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 2: But it's like you can't control that, but at least

1777
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 2: you were in them left all on the table. Yeah,

1778
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 2: you tried, and like you gave it that effort and

1779
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 2: you moved areas like.

1780
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 1: You you you.

1781
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 2: Checked new areas even at the last, you know, ten

1782
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,599
Speaker 2: minutes of the game, to like go find a new out.

1783
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 1: Take a risk.

1784
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:56,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, to take a risk. I think that's what it

1785
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 2: comes down to be. Cause it's like I know a

1786
01:23:57,840 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 2: lot of people. I think they feel like they get

1787
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:00,680
Speaker 2: kind of hung up on a and they end up

1788
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 2: staying there the whole week, ten days whatever most people have.

1789
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 2: I feel fortunate that, like we have the time that

1790
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:10,800
Speaker 2: we do because it's like we're able to spend you know, two, three,

1791
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 2: four weeks out there, five weeks whatever, you know, chase

1792
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:14,760
Speaker 2: an elk where a.

1793
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 1: Lot of people don't.

1794
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 2: But like I look at that and I'm like, man,

1795
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 2: I almost feel like we have to have a bigger

1796
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:22,719
Speaker 2: deck of cards than a lot of the other people

1797
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 2: because it's like, when you spend that much time.

1798
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 1: You're going to play through your cards. Really with that

1799
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 1: much time, Yeah, if you're just weaken worrying it. You

1800
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:32,639
Speaker 1: better have the right cards to play on those few

1801
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 1: days you have. But if you have a lot of time,

1802
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:38,600
Speaker 1: you better got the double deck cards. Yeah is that

1803
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 1: p knuckle or two decks?

1804
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you better have it all because it's like, I mean,

1805
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:45,760
Speaker 2: you'll burn through them. And yeah, I don't know. I

1806
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 2: mean I feel like this year is tough. I hope

1807
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 2: next year's heck of a lot better. And you know,

1808
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I dude, it has to get better

1809
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 2: after this year. But it's like I'm already back, you know.

1810
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 2: I mean, heck, what is it, you know, right now

1811
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 2: into October and it's like I'm already back at the

1812
01:24:58,960 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 2: drawing board.

1813
01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 1: We're planning for next year already.

1814
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, like studying maps and like where am I going

1815
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:04,599
Speaker 2: to go next year? And it's like I'll look at

1816
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 2: the same spots seventy five times, you know. It's like

1817
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 2: I just like I'll study it and be like, oh, yeah,

1818
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 2: would I miss in this? What did I miss? And

1819
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 2: I'm like until I understand like the whole map of

1820
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 2: that little area and like topo, Google Earth, whatever, and

1821
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:20,759
Speaker 2: then I like pick another spot and like I learn

1822
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:25,720
Speaker 2: everything I can about that area without setting foot in it,

1823
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 2: or maybe I've set foot there and like what did

1824
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 2: I pick up there?

1825
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 1: And like take notes in market for.

1826
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 2: Like next year, and then keep moving to these other

1827
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 2: spots until I feel like I've got so many different

1828
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 2: spots dialed. And in the back of my head, it's

1829
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:43,640
Speaker 2: like we get out of the truck and I'm like,

1830
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:46,639
Speaker 2: I know, I feel like I've walked this area fifty times,

1831
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:49,160
Speaker 2: you know, Like I just like I know it, and

1832
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, we're gonna go in here. I'm everyone set

1833
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 2: foot here, but like I know it, like and this

1834
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:54,760
Speaker 2: is what's this is what the animals are going to do.

1835
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 2: This where they're going to be boom. And I feel

1836
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 2: like that's just what go into like putting that much

1837
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 2: time and effort like into it, you know, And so

1838
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 2: I feel like it's aided in my success a lot

1839
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 2: over the years of just the homework.

1840
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 1: Everybody I know that kills big elk and big deer,

1841
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 1: they put in a lot of homework and they may

1842
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: not advertise it where you're going to see it. Like

1843
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 1: that's the thing of the trap with social media is

1844
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:25,639
Speaker 1: you don't people share as much as they want. Sometimes

1845
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 1: they don't share a lot. Sometimes they share very little

1846
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 1: other than the success, but what took them to get

1847
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 1: there was usually countless hours of time studying and lots

1848
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 1: of sweat and a lot of blood and like a

1849
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 1: lot of time put in understanding the area, understanding animals

1850
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 1: and just like just doing the homework. Yeah, one hundred percent.

1851
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:51,559
Speaker 1: I mean, heck yourself.

1852
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 2: I mean I don't post as much as like I

1853
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 2: used to on social media and whatnot. And it's like,

1854
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 2: but I never did ever post like really ever like

1855
01:26:57,439 --> 01:26:58,759
Speaker 2: my work behind the scenes.

1856
01:26:58,920 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 1: You know.

1857
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:00,680
Speaker 2: It's just was kind of I mean like we kind

1858
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 2: of hit on the beginning. It was like I was

1859
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 2: always quiet, did the homework, went and got the results.

1860
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 2: But it was like I just that was kind of

1861
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:10,599
Speaker 2: how I always was, you know. And it's like I

1862
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:12,680
Speaker 2: am like I just like I don't show it or

1863
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 2: flawing it like all over the place. It's like I

1864
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 2: just punched the clock, and I'm like, you know.

1865
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 1: You know what, because you do it for you, You

1866
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:21,879
Speaker 1: do it for the love it. You do it for you, Kylie.

1867
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:24,559
Speaker 1: You guys love it. Yeah, that's why you do it exactly.

1868
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 1: I mean, like doing it for you're not doing it

1869
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 1: for likes. Yeah, yeah, you're doing it because you love

1870
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 1: it and share some of the stuff along the way.

1871
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 2: So true, and like I mean, I I love being

1872
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 2: out there with her, you know, because it's like one

1873
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 2: of those things. It's like especially when we have success. Dude,

1874
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 2: was she shot that bowl this year? It was like

1875
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 2: I was more excited for her, you know, like just

1876
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:46,600
Speaker 2: then she probably was even shooting that help you know

1877
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:48,679
Speaker 2: what I mean, And it was like I was so jacked.

1878
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:51,879
Speaker 2: And it's like, but I love just seeing other people succeed,

1879
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 2: like you know, and like experiencing what elk cunting is

1880
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:57,760
Speaker 2: because I know how much it's meant to me over

1881
01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 2: the years, and to see someone else be able to

1882
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 2: could enjoy that and experience what an ELK is and

1883
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 2: what they do and like how big they are and

1884
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:08,600
Speaker 2: like everything and like just go through the process and

1885
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 2: then it's like to punch your tag at the end

1886
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 2: of it, and it's like, dude, that is like it's special,

1887
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:17,639
Speaker 2: you know, And I just love seeing her get out

1888
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 2: there and enjoy it.

1889
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:21,639
Speaker 1: And there's I don't know if there's a greater gift

1890
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:24,160
Speaker 1: that you can give to someone than to call them

1891
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 1: in an elk yeah and have them take it home

1892
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 1: with them. I mean, I don't know a better gift.

1893
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 2: No, I don't either, That's why I told her. I

1894
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:31,880
Speaker 2: mean she got you know, hey, we got married.

1895
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:33,800
Speaker 1: I might not. This el cut is way better. Yeah.

1896
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 3: Honeymoon moon, Yeah, I know, she said we need to

1897
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 3: do a honeymoon. Yeah we did, we would he cut? Yeah, Yeah, No,

1898
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 3: it's it's good. I mean, I love it. Can't wait

1899
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:45,320
Speaker 3: till next year.

1900
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 2: I just hope that they'd beg a little bit better.

1901
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 2: But I mean, we're definitely gonna start punching the time

1902
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:52,639
Speaker 2: clock right now. I mean, already for next year. Even

1903
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 2: know we still have hunts left this year to do.

1904
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 2: But I'm I'm my mind's turning.

1905
01:28:57,200 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, well right on, man, Well, I appreciate you

1906
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 1: coming on here. Thanks a bunch. Check out John Gabriel.

1907
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:08,599
Speaker 1: Give him a follow on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, we're not

1908
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:14,720
Speaker 1: on Yeah, and Apex advertise advertising if you guys need

1909
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 1: some killer T shirt design, web design logos. He's the man.

1910
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 1: He is the man. He does great work and it's

1911
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 1: really easy to work with. So appreciate Tom. Yeah, thank you, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you. M