1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: And you're here. Thanks for choosing the iHeartRadio and Coast 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: to Ghost Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. Your quest for 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained ends here. 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: They invite you to enjoy all our shows we have 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: on this network, and right now, let's start with Chase 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: to Coast AM employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi. 13 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 14 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 2: Each episode will discuss the reasons we now know that 16 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 2: our loved ones have survived physical death and so will we. 17 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. This episode will be 18 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 2: some true stories of life after death, stories that are 19 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: designed to give you hope, perhaps get your mind off grief, 20 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: even for just a little while most of the stories 21 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 2: come from a long, long time ago. You may have 22 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: heard of physical mediumship before, or seen the movie Ghostbusters 23 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 2: and heard terms like ectoplasm, and in your mind that 24 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 2: little red flag that skeptical mind and might be saying, Sandra, 25 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 2: this is crazy. But I'm asking you to be open 26 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 2: and realize our minds are designed to be skeptical. You 27 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: and I are hurling through an ever expanding universe on 28 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: a planet which is one of billions and billions. At night, 29 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: we look up at the stars that are thousands of 30 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,559 Speaker 2: lifetimes away, and if you look at your own hand, 31 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: what is it really? Through the lens of quantum physics, 32 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: we know that if you could zoom in past the cells, 33 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: past the molecules, past the atoms, all you and I 34 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: are is invisible, vibrating energy. Why am I sharing this 35 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:24,399 Speaker 2: because things that may seem too hard to believe, they're 36 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: part of reality. You and I are made of energy. 37 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: And what's the first rule of science That energy cannot 38 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 2: be created or destroyed. So if our minds can accept 39 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 2: that as reality, maybe we can open up just a 40 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 2: little bit to this weird and wonderful conversation we'll have today. First, 41 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,119 Speaker 2: when we see a rainbow, when does it appear that's 42 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 2: right after a storm? And when we see a butterfly 43 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 2: that's beautiful and fragile, what did it have to go through? 44 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: And when through a total transformation in complete darkness, rearranging 45 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: all of its molecules to be comes something new. Our 46 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 2: lives are often like that. It's out of the darkest 47 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: times we can get our biggest growth. It was after 48 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 2: the death of my father that I went looking for 49 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 2: evidence the after life, evidence about grief and why it 50 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: hurts so bad. And out of that we have all 51 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 2: these episodes of shades of the afterlife are Sunday gathering 52 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 2: and so much more. The woman who created Mothers Against 53 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 2: Drunk Driving, you know how she started right with the 54 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 2: vehicle death of her child. When I first started my journey, 55 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 2: I was the biggest skeptic of all. In fact, that's 56 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: the subtitle of my book, We Don't Die, A Skeptics 57 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: Discovery of Life after Death. The only reason I changed 58 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 2: my mind is because of the evidence, the things I 59 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: experienced that cracked my skeptical mind right open back to 60 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 2: physical mediumship. Remember the movie Ghostbusters. There is truth behind 61 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: the story. Now, I don't mean the Green Slimy Stuf 62 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 2: and the Giant marshmallow Man. But the idea for the 63 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: movie came from a very real, very documented family history. 64 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 2: The man who wrote and starred in Ghostbusters, of course, 65 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 2: is Dan Ackroyd, and he comes from a very long 66 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 2: line of spiritualists. His great grandfather, his grandfather, and his 67 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: father all took this very seriously. Dan's father, Maurice, was 68 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 2: a Bell telephone engineer. He was so serious about this 69 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 2: that he actually asked his colleagues at Bell if they 70 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 2: thought it was possible to build a high vibration crystal 71 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 2: radio as a mechanical way to contact the spirit world. 72 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 2: Dan's father, Peter Ackroyd, wrote a fantastic book called A 73 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 2: History of Ghosts. In it, he tells the story about 74 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 2: his own grandfather, Samuel Ackroyd. Peter and his sister were 75 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: cleaning out the dark bay of the old family home. 76 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 2: In the back, they found an old blue metal trunk. 77 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 2: When they pried it open, there were eighty three journals 78 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 2: handwritten by his grandfather Samuel. These journals, written from nineteen 79 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 2: oh five to nineteen thirty one, were detailed accounts of 80 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 2: the seances and mediumship experiments he held in his farmhouse, 81 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: Peter Ackroyd remembers his own childhood. He writes about being 82 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 2: a little boy hiding in the cellar and watching one 83 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 2: of his grandfather's seances. He sets the scene all these 84 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 2: black cars pulling up to the farmhouse, the men in 85 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 2: their three piece suits, the women in their stylish hats. 86 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: He describes hiding on the damp cellar stairs, peeking through 87 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 2: a crack in the door. He watches his grandfather Samuel 88 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 2: tell everyone to be seated. The drapes are drawn, the 89 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 2: room is in faint light. The guests all hold hands 90 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 2: around the table. He watches as the medium, a young man, 91 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 2: closes his eyes and slips into a trance. Little Peter 92 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 2: Ackroyd is hiding there, trying to be perfectly still, when 93 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 2: he accidentally knocks over a broom. It falls with a 94 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: terrible clatter, and the whole house goes silent. The medium, 95 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 2: still in a deep trance, turns his head towards the 96 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 2: cellar door, and then a very amused voice called out 97 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 2: and eerily said, would the young man care to join 98 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: this circle? He was discovered, but he was invited in, 99 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 2: And Peter Ackroyd grew up reading those eighty three journals. 100 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: He passed that knowledge and those books to his son Dan, 101 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 2: and from that blue trunk full of seance journals, the 102 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 2: idea for Ghostbusters was born. So when the Acroids were 103 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: talking about seances, what did they mean? That word seance 104 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 2: sounds spooky, doesn't it, But it's just a French word 105 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: that means a meeting or a sitting. That's all, a 106 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: meeting of people in good fellowship and sincerity of purpose. 107 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 2: And you'll hear us talk about a cabinet. It's usually 108 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 2: a corner of a room with a curtain pulled across it. 109 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 2: The medium sits behind it, and it said that the 110 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: darkness helps to build up the energy, like a battery charging. 111 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 2: And the weirdest word of all is ectoplasm. In Ghostbusters, 112 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 2: it's that green slime, But in these real historical accounts 113 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: it's described as the life force, a creative substance or 114 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 2: a vapor like substance that comes from the medium's body 115 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 2: the spirit. People who are just energy can then step 116 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 2: into this substance and use it to become solid and 117 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: real again. They can use it to create a voice 118 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: box to speak, or even form a hand you can 119 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: touch now why does so much of this have to 120 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: happened in the dark. For skeptics, it feels like a 121 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 2: setup for a magic trick. But the great physical medium 122 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 2: Stuart Alexander used a beautiful analogy. He said, one might 123 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 2: as well argue that the dark room was unnecessary for 124 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 2: early photographic development. No one would question the fact that 125 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 2: the development of an embryo in the darkness of the 126 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: womb is essential for the creation of life itself. It's 127 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 2: not spooky darkness, it's creative darkness. It's the darkness of 128 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 2: the butterfly's chrysalis. It's the rich dark soil a seed 129 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 2: needs to sprout. And what's so amazing is that some 130 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 2: of these mediums in the past, the most powerful ones, 131 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: didn't even need the dark. This brings me to one 132 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 2: of the most wild, but most well documented, and sometimes 133 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 2: the most frustrating cases in history. His name was Carmine Mirabelli. 134 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 2: He was a Brazilian medium in the early nineteen hundreds, 135 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 2: and his story didn't start in a seance room. It 136 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 2: started in a shoe store where he worked. Eyewitnesses said 137 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: that when he was around, strange things would happen. Shoe 138 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 2: boxes would suddenly fly off, the shelves and reportedly chase 139 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 2: him out of the store and onto the street. People 140 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 2: were terrified, of course, they thought he was possessed. But 141 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 2: a research study in Brazil, the Caesar Lombroso Academy of 142 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 2: Psychical Studies, decided to study him. They reportedly held three 143 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 2: hundred and ninety two of these seances or sittings with him, 144 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 2: and what they claimed is mind blowing mirabelly. They said 145 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: could materialize spirits in broad daylight or in a room 146 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: with bright electric lights. Now we're talking about solid physical forms. 147 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 2: Doctors and scientists were present and they claimed they would 148 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: examine these materialized figures who were sometimes there for over 149 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: thirty minutes. They would check their pulse, listen to their heartbeat, 150 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 2: and they were warm like you and I. One of 151 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 2: the most famous stories is about a doctor Susa, his 152 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: deceased daughter allegedly materialized in broad daylight for thirty six minutes. 153 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 2: The report says she spoke to her father, she embraced him, 154 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 2: her pulse was tested, and they were even photographed together 155 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: before she de materialized and disappeared in front of everyone's eyes. 156 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 2: In another case, the spirit of a deceased Bishop Camargo 157 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 2: barras materialized in his full robes. Doctors examined him, felt 158 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: his teeth, his pulse, and listened to his heartbeat. Then 159 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 2: he reportedly dissolved away from the feet upwards in front 160 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 2: of the witnesses. Sounds amazing, right, However, Mirabelli was also 161 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: caught with a fake. Now, this photograph showed him levitating 162 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 2: several feet off the ground. It was published everywhere as 163 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 2: proof of his mediumship. But years later an investigator, doctor 164 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 2: Gordon Stein, found the original print of that photo, and 165 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 2: in that photo you could clearly see where the negative 166 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 2: had been tampered with. The chemical marks shown that Mirabelly 167 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 2: had been standing on a ladder, and the ladder had 168 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: been erased from the picture. This one picture made everyone 169 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 2: think that Mirabelly was a fraud. But was he really? 170 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: Were all of these sittings fraudulent? This is the central 171 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 2: mystery of physical mediumship. Was he just a fraud? If 172 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 2: he was, how did he fool five hundred and fifty 173 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 2: five witnesses over the years, including doctors and scientists in 174 00:11:55,760 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 2: broad daylight? How did he make a breathing, pulse, beating 175 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 2: person appeared in a sealed room? Or was he what 176 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 2: they call a mixed medium, someone who was genuinely gifted, 177 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 2: but when the power failed or he got impatient, he 178 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 2: decided to help it along with a little trick. We'll 179 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 2: never know for sure, but the case of Mirabelli teaches 180 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 2: us the most important lesson. Our skepticism is healthy. We 181 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: should be looking for ladders and tricks. It's why in 182 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 2: real physical mediumship, controls are important. Checking the room, strapping 183 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 2: the medium to a chair with thick plastic zip ties, 184 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: making sure everyone in the circle is holding hands. For me, 185 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 2: my journey from skeptic to where I am now with 186 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 2: physical mediumship, it wasn't a photograph. It was having my 187 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 2: own experience in a room with all those controls in place. 188 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 2: And since I've had dozens of those experiences, when we 189 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 2: get back, I'll share the first experienvariance I had and 190 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: what changed my hatred of Christmas into something truly magical. 191 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 2: We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades of the 192 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 2: Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Hairinormal 193 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 2: Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm 194 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 2: Sandra Champlain. Today we're talking a bit about physical mediumship 195 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: and what brought me to liking Christmas again. For almost 196 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 2: forty years of my life. To be honest, I hated Christmas. 197 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 2: I'd hear that First Christmas Carol and my stomach would 198 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 2: just turn upside down. The music, the decorations, all of it. 199 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 2: Maybe you're feeling the same way as. 200 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: A little girl. 201 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 2: My first thirty years of Christmas were magical. I'd wake 202 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 2: up at four in the morning, wake everybody up in 203 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: the house that Santa had come and there were presents 204 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 2: under the tree. But around fourteen or fifteen, my parents 205 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 2: got divorced and life just changed. Christmas was no longer 206 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 2: a happy one, but a time for me that other 207 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 2: families were happy, but mine was broken. That heartache and 208 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 2: that grief, it just seemed to build up a year 209 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 2: after year, and then in my twenties I had developed 210 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 2: a huge fear of dying. I was terrified when I'd 211 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 2: go to bed at night, not knowing what comes next. 212 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 2: And as awful as that fear was, I can look 213 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: back now and say I'm grateful it happened, because that 214 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: fear was the storm where my rainbow came into play. 215 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 2: It was the darkness I went through that forced me 216 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 2: to go on this journey to find truth, and it 217 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: gave me some amazing experiences, like my first medium class 218 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 2: back in two thousand and five, where I was a 219 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 2: total skeptic, but the medium promised that if we attend 220 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 2: her course, we would be someone who could accurately tell 221 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 2: the deceased people around others. The first partner I paired 222 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 2: up with, we were told we weren't really doing medium readings. 223 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 2: She was just walking us through how we would give 224 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: a reading when the time came. She just told us 225 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 2: to use our imagination. So I did. I sat knee 226 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: to knee with a woman I'd never seen before, closed 227 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 2: my eyes, used my imagination and invented a person standing 228 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 2: behind her. I thought I was making it up, but 229 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: I told her that her grandfather's name was Yon. He 230 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 2: was a fisherman in Denmark. He had blonde hair, blue eyes, 231 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: and he had a big gap between his two front teeth. 232 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 2: He had really bad skin, wind burned. I could see 233 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 2: him on a fishing boat. I heard him coughing and 234 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 2: saw him puffing a cigarette. And I told her, I 235 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 2: feel like he died from lung cancer and he wants 236 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 2: to tell your mom that he loves her. So I 237 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 2: thought I did a good job, and I opened my 238 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 2: eyes like, okay, it's your turn, and this lady was crying, 239 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 2: streams of tears coming down her face. In fact, every 240 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 2: detail that I thought I had invented was actually correct 241 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 2: evidence about her grandfather. His name was Jan was a 242 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 2: fisherman in Denmark. He fit the description perfectly in that 243 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 2: message that he loved his daughter well. He had never 244 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 2: told his daughter he loved her while living, but wanted 245 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 2: her to know that from the afterlife. My second great 246 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 2: AHA moment came years later when I learned about electronic 247 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 2: voice phenomena also called EVP. It was pouring rain outside. 248 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 2: I believed in the afterlife at that point, but I 249 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: needed tangible or auditory evidence if I was going to 250 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 2: tell other people about it. I pressed record on my 251 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 2: digital recorder, recording the sound of the rain, and just 252 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 2: imagined deceased loved ones is at the foot of my bed, 253 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 2: and I said, if you guys are here and this 254 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 2: is real and I meant to help people, I need 255 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 2: you to talk very loud and then I'll say good night. 256 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,479 Speaker 2: So I recorded the rain for about a minute and 257 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 2: then I said good night. When I plagued it back 258 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 2: the hairs on my arms just stood up. I had 259 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 2: to stop it, rewind it, play it again. There were 260 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: four different voices, two men, two women saying good night, Sandra, 261 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 2: good night, good night, good night. You'd think these moments 262 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 2: would have been enough to heal me, and they were amazing, 263 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 2: But did they bring my love of Christmas back? That 264 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 2: part of my heart was still broken. The people that 265 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 2: taught me about EVP Tom and Lisa Butler, who wrote 266 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 2: the book Is No Death and There Are No Dead, 267 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 2: often spoke about physical mediumship. I did my research and 268 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 2: found physical medium Scott Milligan and an event being held 269 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 2: in England called Voices from the Past. Although my fear 270 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 2: was at an all time, I traveled three thousand miles 271 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 2: to a place with strangers where I would have to 272 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 2: sit in the dark to experience the weirdest of all. 273 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 2: As an afterlife researcher, I had to know is there 274 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 2: any truth to physical mediumship. The event was actually on 275 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 2: Thanksgiving Day and they held what they called a Christmas 276 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 2: Tree seance. In the center of the room was about 277 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 2: a four foot artificial Christmas tree. We had all been 278 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 2: asked to bring wrapped gifts for the spirit children. All 279 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 2: of these presents were placed under the tree and on 280 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 2: the floor around it were some musical toys, a toy piano, 281 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:47,479 Speaker 2: a bell, a drum. The medium, Scott Milligan, went and 282 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 2: sat in his cabinet. He was strapped down to his 283 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 2: chair with heavy duty plastic zip ties. This wasn't a game. 284 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 2: Everyone was invited to check them, pull on them to 285 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 2: make sure. He absolutely could not get out. No way 286 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 2: anyone could get in or out. No hidden cabinets. We 287 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 2: could see everything. The lights went out. We were instructed 288 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 2: to hold hands with a rule. If anyone lets go, 289 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,479 Speaker 2: you have to speak up. I felt safe, but I 290 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: was so nervous. The first thing we did was build 291 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 2: the energy. How did we do this by singing? And 292 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 2: what did we sing? Oh, my gosh, we sang Christmas 293 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 2: Carol's jingle bells, the twelve Days of Christmas. And there 294 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 2: I was in the dark, holding hands with strangers and 295 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 2: thinking what am I doing here? This is crazy. We 296 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 2: sang our hearts out, and then a spirit person named 297 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 2: Daniel spoke out of the thin air. His voice was 298 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: playful and kind. He had us laughing, and after a 299 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 2: few minutes he said, the children have arrived. What happened 300 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 2: next I will never forget. The room was suddenly filled 301 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 2: with the sound of ripping paper. It was the sound 302 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 2: of maybe a dozen children in the room, all unwrapping 303 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 2: those Christmas presents at the exact same time. It was 304 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 2: that same sound of Christmas morning, with all the joy 305 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 2: and excitement. And then the children started playing. The bell 306 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 2: started ringing, the toy drums started banging, The toy piano 307 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 2: was plinking away, all at once. There were hula hoops 308 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 2: in the room with glow in the Dark tape, and 309 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 2: suddenly they were floating through the air, zigzagging around the 310 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 2: room as if little hands were carrying them. A stuffed 311 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 2: animal was tossed and landed right in my lap. I 312 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 2: felt a little child touched my hand, and later a 313 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 2: little glow in the dark plaque was presented to me 314 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,719 Speaker 2: and I could see a little child's hands holding it. 315 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 2: I was crying, but they were happy tears, because there 316 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 2: were no children who entered the room with us. That 317 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 2: medium was tied to a chair. We were holding hands. 318 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 2: It was magic, real magic, and all of those toys 319 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 2: were donated to a children's orphanage, infused with the love 320 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 2: from those spirit children. In that moment, everything changed for me, 321 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 2: Christmas became magical again. And I'm not the only one 322 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 2: who experienced this, not by a long shot. There are 323 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 2: some old recordings from the nineteen nineties from the archive 324 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 2: of the Noah's Arks Society. It's a collection of elderly 325 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 2: spiritualists telling their stories of what they witnessed decades ago. 326 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 2: One of them described her own Christmas tree seance back 327 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 2: in the late nineteen forties or nineteen fifties. She said, 328 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 2: the room was bleak and cold, but they dressed a 329 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 2: tree with trumpets and little packs of sweets and candies. 330 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 2: What happened next, she said, My goodness, was it interesting? 331 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 2: Was it noisy? She describes the exact same thing, spirit 332 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,959 Speaker 2: children yelling, shouting, blowing the trumpets. It was a delight, 333 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 2: she said. And then, she says, a little spirit girl 334 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 2: of about three years old sat herself on my lap. 335 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 2: I felt her there, and then this little girl pushed 336 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 2: into my mouth a packet of toffee. There's also another 337 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 2: story from a woman named Joan Honor who sat with 338 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 2: the physical medium William Olsen. She describes the exact same thing. 339 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 2: They always placed the Christmas tree in the center of 340 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 2: the circle with wrapped little parcels underneath, and again she 341 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 2: said one could hear the bells being rung on the 342 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 2: tree and the sound of the parcels being unwrapped. But 343 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 2: her story has a beautiful evidential part. She had a 344 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 2: dolly which looked like a fairy for the top of 345 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 2: the tree, and in her mind she secretly dedicated it 346 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 2: to her niece who was in spirit. Her name was Josephine, 347 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 2: and she didn't tell a single person about it. During 348 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 2: the seance, the trumpet came right to her, tapped her 349 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 2: three times, and a little voice said, you made me 350 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 2: a dolly, didn't you. And then there's this story about 351 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 2: physicist Jan Vandersandy. He told me about his Christmas sitting. 352 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 2: His wife had bought a little black doll as a 353 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 2: gift for the spirit children, and she had wrapped it 354 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 2: up so no one knew what was inside the gift. 355 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 2: During the seance, a spirit guide named Brian came through 356 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 2: and spoke to Jan's wife, Oh, hello, Marlene, thank you 357 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 2: for the nice present, And then he added, you're going 358 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 2: to have one of those next year, but it won't 359 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 2: be that color. Think about that. The lights were out, 360 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 2: the present was wrapped, and he was right. The following November, 361 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 2: Jan's wife had their daughter. After that, Jan said, the 362 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 2: children had arrived, and what did he hear? The exact 363 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 2: same thing I did. He said, all of a sudden, 364 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 2: you hear this noise of all these presents being unwrapped. 365 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 2: At the same time he heard the little drums and 366 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 2: whistles being played. And he said, a little child came 367 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 2: and pulled on his pants, and a little hand held 368 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 2: his wife's hand. How do we explain that we don't 369 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 2: really you just feel it. There's no way our minds 370 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 2: can get around what we experience. That night in the 371 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 2: sands room, singing those carols, I finally understood the magic 372 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 2: I'd lost wasn't gone, and the love grieving wasn't gone. 373 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 2: Throughout the seance, people's deceased loved ones returned, got to 374 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 2: speak through an ectoplasmic voice box, and gave evidential messages 375 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 2: to people in the circle. So how do I feel 376 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 2: now about Christmas? I get excited that I can create 377 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 2: my own reality knowing that my loved ones in spirit 378 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 2: are still around when we come back from the break. 379 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 2: I want to share some more stories of reunion that 380 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 2: have proved to me that this is all so real. 381 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades of the 382 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 2: Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast, a paranormal 383 00:25:41,000 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 2: podcast network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm 384 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 2: Sandra Champlain. I know how this all sounds. A dozen 385 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: spirit children unwrapping Christmas presents, a little hand holding mine, 386 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 2: a floating glowing trumpet. It sounds like a one in 387 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 2: a million fairy tale. But it's not. My friend Scott Milligan, 388 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 2: his entire life's work is what he calls a result 389 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 2: of the ripple effect. It's a story about how one's 390 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 2: family's deepest grief led to one of the most incredible 391 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 2: stories ever documented. It starts with a man named John Austen. 392 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 2: John was a very strict ex army man. His son 393 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,719 Speaker 2: Howard was his pride of joy, of course, and an 394 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 2: Olympic hopeful. But in nineteen sixty seven, Howard was on 395 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,239 Speaker 2: a train that crashed and he was killed along with 396 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,719 Speaker 2: a friend. John fell into a deep, dark grief and 397 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 2: he didn't want to live anymore. John's wife, Geraldine, got 398 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 2: him to start investigating the afterlife. They started, like many 399 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 2: people did in that day, with table tipping just sitting 400 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 2: at a table, hands resting on it, asking for a sign. 401 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 2: For a long time, nothing happened. Then one day it moved. 402 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 2: John was just sitting with Geraldine, who was in a 403 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 2: wheelchair with multiple sclerosis. Their hands were on the table 404 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 2: when it started to move, and then it disappeared. John, 405 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 2: in a panic, turned on the light. He thought Geraldine 406 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 2: had somehow thrown it, but there she was, sitting in 407 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 2: her wheelchair, just as stunned as he was. He looked up. 408 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 2: The table was pinned to the ceiling. A moment later 409 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 2: it came crashing down and broke a leg. That was 410 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 2: the start. They went to see the famous medium, Doris 411 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 2: Fisher Stokes. They were late, and as they wheeled Geraldine 412 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 2: to the front of the packed hall, Doras stopped the 413 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 2: entire demonstration, and she pointed right at John and gave 414 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 2: him thirty eight names of his family members who were 415 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 2: in spirit, and all of them were correct. And then 416 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 2: she said something that would change his life. One day, 417 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 2: the trumpets will lift and the dead will walk in 418 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 2: your front room. Now go away and work at it. 419 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 2: John and Geraldine became obsessed with his prophecy. They got 420 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 2: a sitting with another famous medium, Leslie Flint. Leslie was 421 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 2: a direct voice medium, meaning voices would just come out 422 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 2: of the air around him. Skeptics, of course, said he 423 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 2: was a ventriloquist, so he would do his seances while 424 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 2: holding a mouthful of water or with his mouth taped shut, 425 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 2: and the voices they still came. John and Geraldine are 426 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 2: in this one sitting and the guide's voice comes and says, oh, 427 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 2: there's someone pushing their way forward. It was the voice 428 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 2: of their son, Howard. John told Scott what that moment 429 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 2: felt like. He said, imagine you're in the darkest and 430 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 2: most painful nightmare and then all of a sudden put 431 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 2: in a place of paradise. They started their own home circle, 432 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 2: just the two of them, and they'd record their sittings 433 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 2: on an old real to reel tape recorder. One night, 434 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 2: Geraldine asked, is that you boys, and the table tapped 435 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 2: one for yes, two for no, and it tapped yes. 436 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,959 Speaker 2: But when they played the tape back, right after Geraldine's question, 437 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 2: a voice was on the tape and it was Howard's 438 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 2: and it said, yes, mom, we're here. Later in that 439 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 2: same recording, their cat walked into the room. You can 440 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 2: hear Geraldine say be careful of the cat. Howard's voice 441 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 2: comes on the tape and says, I won't hurt Blackie. 442 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 2: The prophecy wasn't yet fulfilled. The dead weren't walking in 443 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 2: their front room. Not yet. Years go by, John and 444 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 2: Geraldine are sitting, just the two of them, building the nest. 445 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 2: It's sary power. The spirit world tells them they need 446 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 2: to renovate their seance room and they need to buy 447 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 2: a red carpet. So John goes to a carpet shop. 448 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 2: A young salesman in his thirties comes to their house 449 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 2: to measure the room. As he's measuring John who would 450 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 2: say this to people just to see their reaction. You know, 451 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 2: we hold seances here. And the young man takes it 452 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 2: in stride and says, oh, I'm interested in that. I've 453 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 2: been to some meetings. John asks him if he wants 454 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 2: to try sitting at the table. The young carpet salesman 455 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 2: says yes, so they sit. The table, which always went 456 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 2: to John as he had the most power, this time 457 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 2: moved to the young man, Colin Fry, and then a 458 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 2: voice came from the spirit guide who said, I've been 459 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 2: waiting for you. John remembered the prophecy, this random carpet salesman. 460 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 2: He was the medium they had been waiting for all 461 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 2: those years, and within just twenty one weeks of sitting 462 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 2: with them, Colin Fry, who went on to become one 463 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 2: of the UK's most famous mediums, was a full materialization medium. 464 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 2: John's wife, Geraldine, at this point, is very, very sick 465 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 2: with MS. She's bedbound. The circle stops one Sunday night. 466 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 2: It's clear she's not going to make it through the night. 467 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 2: John sits with her and she passes into the spirit world. 468 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 2: Of course, John is heartbroken all over again, but he 469 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 2: had made a promise to the spirit world, same time, 470 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 2: same place, same people. So that Tuesday, the circle meets 471 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 2: Colin Fry. The medium is there, and John, grieving, wheels 472 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 2: his wife's empty wheelchair into the room and puts it 473 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 2: in its usual spot. They sit, they play the music, 474 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 2: they sing, They wait, and then a four builds. A 475 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 2: woman materializes. She steps out of the cabinet, not bound 476 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 2: in a chair, not having any illness, and she walks 477 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 2: right over to her husband John. She says, you can 478 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 2: get rid of that, and the empty wheelchair flew back 479 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 2: across the room and hit the door. Geraldine in spirit 480 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 2: said I'm fine, I'm well. John asked her who met you, 481 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 2: and she said Howard. Of course my mother was there too. 482 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 2: Oh John, heaven does exist. Scott told me what John 483 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 2: said about that moment. How can I be upset? This 484 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 2: woman was confined to a wheelchair and now is walking 485 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 2: with my son. I'm just frustrated now because I'm here. 486 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 2: That is the power of this, my friends. It's the 487 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 2: ultimate proof of reunion. And these stories of physical proof 488 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 2: are everywhere. From the book on the Medium Alec Harris, 489 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 2: a story is told about a young soldier who materialized 490 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 2: for his grieving mother to prove it was him. He said, Mom, 491 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 2: I want you to be quite sure that this is 492 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 2: really me. Look I've still got it, see, and he 493 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 2: took her hand and placed it on his chest. He 494 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 2: had a deformed breastbone, which his family had laughingly called 495 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 2: his chicken bone. He materialized his deformity to convince his mother. 496 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 2: Another incredible story from those old tapes of senior spiritualists 497 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 2: comes from a woman named Ivy Northridge. She was in 498 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 2: a small seance with just a few people. The spirit 499 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 2: guide a little girl said to one of the men, 500 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 2: I've got something for you. Put your hand out and 501 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 2: open it wide. The man held his hand out. The 502 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 2: guide said close it, close it tight. He closed his fist. 503 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 2: A moment later he said, it's getting awfully hot. Keep 504 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 2: it closed. She said, not ready yet. Finally she said, 505 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 2: now you can open it. He opened his hand and 506 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 2: in his palm was a miniature silver rowing boat, like 507 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 2: a tiny charm for a bracelet. Now here is the 508 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 2: interesting part. This man lived on a river, and that 509 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 2: very same day he had placed an ad in the 510 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 2: local newspaper asking to buy a rowing boat for his daughters, 511 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 2: and the spirit world had delivered one, but it was 512 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,760 Speaker 2: a tiny one, right into his hand. A stunning account 513 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 2: comes again from the circle of al Carris. A very 514 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 2: well known medical man, Sir Alexander Cannon, was invited to 515 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 2: a sitting. During the seance, a form materialized. It was 516 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 2: Mahatma Gandhi, who had passed years earlier. He materialized exactly 517 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,919 Speaker 2: how he had been on earth in his loincloth and spectacles, 518 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 2: and then he proceeded to convey at length with Sir 519 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 2: Alexander in Hindu, a language the medium Alec absolutely did 520 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 2: not know, but the doctor did. And if that wasn't 521 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 2: good enough. After Gandhi left, two Tibetan monks materialized. They 522 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 2: also spoke to the doctor in a little known Tibetan tongue, 523 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 2: which Sir Alexander also understood. He left highly satisfied. How 524 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 2: do you fake that? How do you fake someone speaking 525 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 2: fluent Hindu one moment and a rear Tibetan language the next, 526 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 2: all while fully materialized in a red lit room. We 527 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 2: also have the story from the Saturday night club, the 528 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 2: home circle of the medium Minnie Harrison. Her son Tom 529 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 2: kept detailed records. A highly respected surgeon, mister Britton Jones, 530 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 2: was a regular sitter. He wanted to test these spirits. 531 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,919 Speaker 2: One night, Tom's aunt ag materialized in the red light. 532 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 2: The surgeon asked if he could take her pulse. She 533 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 2: held out her arm and mister Jones put his fingers 534 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 2: on her wrist, stood there for about half a minute, 535 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 2: and then he turned the entire circle and announced, thank you, 536 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 2: missus Hammond, you live and this isn't an isolated case. 537 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:26,479 Speaker 2: Physicist doctor Jan Vandersandy told me his story. He sat 538 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 2: with the medium David Thompson. The guide William materialized and 539 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,799 Speaker 2: he had a big, warm hand jam being a scientist, 540 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 2: asked William, do you have a pulse? The spirit grabbed 541 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 2: Jan's hand and he felt the pulse in his neck. 542 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,320 Speaker 2: This all defies our logic, but the spirits, they seemed 543 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 2: to have a sense of humor about it. In the 544 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:53,720 Speaker 2: same circle of Minnie Harrison, a spirit called Granny Lumsden materialized. 545 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 2: She'd always had cold feet in life. Tom asked her 546 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 2: if her feet were still cold. She replied, well, we 547 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 2: haven't got any guests tonight, so I haven't brought my feet. 548 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 2: She then lifted up the gown, pulled it waist high, 549 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 2: and there was nothing. Tom said he could see straight 550 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 2: through her to his father on the other side. Imagine 551 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 2: witnessing that these stories show proof of identity, proof of physicality. 552 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 2: They also show this isn't some scary event. It's filled 553 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 2: with love and laughter. Scott Milligan told me about a 554 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,760 Speaker 2: woman in his circle whose husband materialized, but she wasn't 555 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 2: interested in talking to her husband. Why because he had 556 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 2: brought through the family parent, which had flown around in 557 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 2: the seance room. The wife was ignoring her husband in spirit, 558 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 2: just saying, oh, pretty boy, you're a pretty boy. These 559 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 2: stories from surgeons from physicists, from grieving parents, from me, 560 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 2: I'll tell us the same thing. Connection is real, it's physical, 561 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 2: and it's healing and filled with love. When we come 562 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 2: back from the break, we'll talk about how all of 563 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,240 Speaker 2: this works and why it's an important message in the world. 564 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 2: We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades of the 565 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,839 Speaker 2: Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 566 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 2: Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm 567 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 2: Sanders Champlain. If you like these stories and you want 568 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,839 Speaker 2: to hear the original audios from their senior spiritualists, I've 569 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 2: put them together on a playlist. I have also started 570 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 2: a list of books on physical medium stories that I 571 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 2: know you'll like. Top of the list is definitely the 572 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 2: Alec Harris book. Just go to my website, we Don't 573 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 2: Die dot com. Go to the page Scott Milligan, scroll 574 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 2: to the bottom and you will find them there. These 575 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 2: stories absolutely give me goose films every time. But they 576 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 2: also bring up that nagging, big question, how is any 577 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 2: of this possible? And if it's real, why it doesn't 578 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,280 Speaker 2: happen in the dark. I've had that question for years. 579 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,839 Speaker 2: In those old archives I found a beautiful answer from 580 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,839 Speaker 2: the medium Stuart Alexander. He said, think about it like this. 581 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 2: One might as well argue that the dark room was 582 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:36,320 Speaker 2: unnecessary for early photographic development, and no one would question 583 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 2: the fact that the development of an embryo in complete 584 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 2: darkness of the womb is essential for the creation of 585 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 2: life itself. It's not spooky darkness, though, it's creative darkness. 586 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 2: It's the darkness of the butterflies chrysalis. It's the rich 587 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 2: dark soil a seed needs to sprout. And it's not 588 00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:00,839 Speaker 2: just an analogy that darkness is a vital physical for 589 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 2: the medium. In those same archives, the respected medium Ivy 590 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 2: Northridge told a story about her friend, the famous medium 591 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 2: Helen Duncan. She said that one night after a seance, 592 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 2: Helen pulled her aside and said, look what the people 593 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 2: did to me last night. Helen lifted her skirt and 594 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 2: her whole abdomen was black and blue because someone had 595 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,800 Speaker 2: switched on a light and this ectoplasm had whipped back 596 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 2: into her solar plexus. Another witness, Jeane Woods, told a 597 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:37,279 Speaker 2: similar story of a medium named Chris A sitter unknowingly 598 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 2: lit a cigarette lighter, the ectoplasm flew back and the 599 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 2: medium suffered severe burns on his abdomen. A couple of 600 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 2: years ago, our friend Scott Milligan, same thing happened. Someone 601 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 2: accidentally turned on a light. Although they all got to 602 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:58,400 Speaker 2: see the ectoplasm coming from him and holding up a 603 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 2: trumpet in midair, it shot back to him like a 604 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 2: rubber band and he was left with black and blue 605 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 2: marks around his eyes and burn marks on his belly. 606 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 2: This is why the controls are so strict. This is 607 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 2: why we hold hands, this is why we sit in 608 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 2: the dark. It really is to protect the medium. David 609 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 2: Fontana a British psychologist and a former president of the 610 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,840 Speaker 2: Society for Psychical Research, which is a very skeptical group. 611 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 2: He said, any professional conjuror is welcome to try and 612 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 2: fake these things if they follow these same rules. No 613 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 2: unsupervised access to the room beforehand. They have to submit 614 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 2: to bodily searches. They must be securely bound by fool 615 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:47,400 Speaker 2: proof restraints. There must be no money involved. In fact, 616 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,240 Speaker 2: Stuart Alexander's own method was a brilliant way to deal 617 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,840 Speaker 2: with skepticism. He did not use a cabinet. He sat 618 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,880 Speaker 2: in the group with everyone else, and he had glowing 619 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 2: the dark tape on his so you knew exactly where 620 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,000 Speaker 2: he was at all times. And in that sitting, a 621 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 2: small red light was on and Stuart strapped to his 622 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 2: chair as an ectoplasmic hand formed on the table in 623 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 2: the middle of the room. People in the front were 624 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 2: invited to touch it. They said it was warm. Not 625 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 2: all mediumship even uses ectoplasm. I once interviewed Robin Foy, 626 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,040 Speaker 2: who started the world famous Home Circle in the nineteen 627 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:33,799 Speaker 2: nineties called the Skull Experiment. They did things differently. Their 628 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 2: spirit team said they didn't need ectoplasm, but instead a 629 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:42,320 Speaker 2: blend of three energies, the energy of spirit, the spiritual 630 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 2: energy of the sitters, and the natural energy of the earth. 631 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,399 Speaker 2: And the things they produced were pretty mind blowing. They 632 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:55,400 Speaker 2: received over one hundred and fifty apports. Physical objects appeared 633 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 2: out of thin air. The most incredible story I've heard 634 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,400 Speaker 2: is they got a war time time newspaper from nineteen 635 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,840 Speaker 2: forty four and it looked brand new. It had scientifically 636 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 2: been tested by a print research association who verified it 637 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,400 Speaker 2: was genuine wartime newsprint. The spirit team at school wasn't 638 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 2: just doing it for proof, they were doing it for healing. 639 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 2: They would see little spirit lights in the room, and 640 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,960 Speaker 2: these lights would heal people. He told me about a 641 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,719 Speaker 2: woman who came to the circle who had such bad 642 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,839 Speaker 2: arthritis in her knees that she could hardly walk in 643 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 2: the dark. The whole group watched as one of these 644 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 2: little spirit lights went into her knee and stayed there 645 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 2: for five minutes. When she got home, all the pain 646 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,279 Speaker 2: in that knee was gone. So she came back the 647 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,440 Speaker 2: next week and the light went into her other knee. 648 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:54,000 Speaker 2: Robin said that twenty years later she was still pain free. This, 649 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,760 Speaker 2: my friends, is the why. Ivy Northridge told one last 650 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 2: story about a sitting with the Great Alec Harris. She 651 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,719 Speaker 2: saw him sitting in his cabinet in the red light, 652 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:09,240 Speaker 2: and a little bearded guide named David materialized. He came 653 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,759 Speaker 2: over to her and she shook his hand. As she did, 654 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 2: a thought popped into her head. This is the hand 655 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,160 Speaker 2: of a child of five. It was tiny. She hadn't 656 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 2: said a word, but like a flash, the guide answered 657 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,160 Speaker 2: her thought. He said, they don't want to see our hands, 658 00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,440 Speaker 2: so we don't waste our time on them. It's our 659 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,640 Speaker 2: faces they want to see and hear what we've got 660 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,920 Speaker 2: to say. That's the why which brings me to this 661 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:41,840 Speaker 2: important story. It defines our friend Scott Milligan's life purpose. 662 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,840 Speaker 2: After Scott's mediumship developed, he became famous for what he 663 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,880 Speaker 2: called circus trick phenomena. He would do all the wow stuff. 664 00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,640 Speaker 2: He told me about demonstrations at the Arthur Finley College 665 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,920 Speaker 2: where with the lights on, ectoplasm poured from the nostrils, 666 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,320 Speaker 2: from the mouth, and from the belly down to the floor. 667 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,480 Speaker 2: He said it rolled and creeped and formed a hand 668 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,759 Speaker 2: that walked across the floor. His ego, he admits, was 669 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,200 Speaker 2: getting very big. Then after one of these demonstrations, a 670 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,359 Speaker 2: woman came up to him and she said, Scott, I've 671 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 2: seen you a few times now, brilliant. I love it. 672 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,560 Speaker 2: But then she said, but it's not bringing my son back. 673 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,319 Speaker 2: Scott said, it hit him like a knife, stabbing me 674 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,680 Speaker 2: in the stomach. He felt her pain. He went back 675 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 2: to his circle and the spirit world gave him a choice. 676 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 2: They said, you can continue down this path and we 677 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,640 Speaker 2: will show you the phenomena. But if you want loved ones, 678 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,320 Speaker 2: which is going to take up most of the power, 679 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,480 Speaker 2: we need to go a different course. And Scott and 680 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:54,320 Speaker 2: his circle decided quite quickly for the voices of loved ones. 681 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,760 Speaker 2: Why because, as he says, that's what gets a mom 682 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,920 Speaker 2: up in the morning. That's the why. It's not about 683 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 2: trumpets and tables and floating lights. The why is the reunion. 684 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,400 Speaker 2: It's the healing. It's the proof that love doesn't die. 685 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,880 Speaker 2: And that brings us to the how how do we 686 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,960 Speaker 2: get this back in the world. The answer from every 687 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,840 Speaker 2: great medium is the same, the home circle. It all 688 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 2: starts with what Douglas Lowe's spirit guide, John King said. 689 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,240 Speaker 2: He was asked what a circle needs, and he said, 690 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 2: give me a bunch of purely ordinary folk who have 691 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,640 Speaker 2: no psychic ability whatsoever, sitting in good fellowship and in 692 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,799 Speaker 2: sincerity of purpose, we can do everything. So you don't 693 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:46,360 Speaker 2: need to be psychic. You just need fellowship, love, tolerance, understanding, dedication, 694 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:51,720 Speaker 2: and patience. Patience being the biggest part. In Stuart Alexander's case, 695 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:57,840 Speaker 2: his circle sat fourteen years with no results, nothing For 696 00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 2: fourteen years. They just met in the dark with love, 697 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,160 Speaker 2: had tea, cakes and coffee. Afterward, he said that was 698 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,840 Speaker 2: the highlight. And only after fourteen years of that dedication 699 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,280 Speaker 2: did the first voice come through Another circle. The Hodges 700 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 2: sat for twelve years before anything happened. This is the 701 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,440 Speaker 2: ultimate lesson of the spirit world. They don't work on 702 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,919 Speaker 2: our time. They work on the time of love and trust, 703 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,960 Speaker 2: and when that trust is built, miracles happen. I want 704 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,120 Speaker 2: to leave you with one last story from one of 705 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,279 Speaker 2: those old recordings. Elsie sat in the home of a 706 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,400 Speaker 2: medium named Frank Havard. For years, she would receive the 707 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,080 Speaker 2: same apport, which was a set of rosary beads. They 708 00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,920 Speaker 2: would drop in her lap or come out of the trumpet, 709 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,560 Speaker 2: but at the end of every seance she had to 710 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,400 Speaker 2: give them back. She asked the spirit guide why, and 711 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,480 Speaker 2: the guide told her they belonged to a lady who 712 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,560 Speaker 2: has not seen the outside world for fifty two years, 713 00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,799 Speaker 2: so we can only loan them to you. We've got 714 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,160 Speaker 2: to get them back to her before she misses them. 715 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 2: Elsie figured it was a nun in a closed order, 716 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,640 Speaker 2: and then the guide said, but one day, Elsie, we 717 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,600 Speaker 2: promise you there'll be yours to keep. This went on 718 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:18,759 Speaker 2: for years. Then one friday, Frank the medium moved his 719 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,640 Speaker 2: circle to a church to test the blackout for another medium. 720 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,040 Speaker 2: There were more people there. The guide's voice came and 721 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,640 Speaker 2: asked Elsie to cup her hands in the center of 722 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,279 Speaker 2: the circle. The trumpet swished over her head and out 723 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,200 Speaker 2: of it dropped the rosary beads. At the end of 724 00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,400 Speaker 2: the night, Elsie, as usual, went to give them back, 725 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,240 Speaker 2: and the Guide said, no, Elsie, they are now yours 726 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,719 Speaker 2: to keep. The Guide then took Elsie's hand in the 727 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:51,080 Speaker 2: hand of Frank's wife, Lena, and put them together. He said, 728 00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,560 Speaker 2: this is true friendship, which must never be broken, because 729 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,840 Speaker 2: you are going to need each other in the not 730 00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:03,160 Speaker 2: too distant future. After Elsie got her rosary beads, they 731 00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,280 Speaker 2: sat and the spirit of the nun Maria came through 732 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,239 Speaker 2: to thank Elsie for the healing she had sent through 733 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:14,200 Speaker 2: those rosary beads. And the week after that, the medium 734 00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,200 Speaker 2: Frank passed into the spirit world. Think about that. The 735 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,239 Speaker 2: spirit world knew they kept their promise. They made sure 736 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,080 Speaker 2: Elsie had her gift, and they gave her and the 737 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,399 Speaker 2: medium's wife a warning of the comfort they would need, 738 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:32,279 Speaker 2: all just three weeks before Frank passed. My friends, this 739 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:37,320 Speaker 2: is real. It's rare to witness, but it is very real. 740 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,640 Speaker 2: You know, my goal is never to convince you. I 741 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,799 Speaker 2: just share these things that have made a difference in 742 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,239 Speaker 2: my life. As Ivy Northridge said, I'm not here to 743 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,400 Speaker 2: convince you. I can only tell you I know before 744 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,080 Speaker 2: I was blind and now I can see. I hope 745 00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,720 Speaker 2: this has given you a bit of comfort and awe 746 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,840 Speaker 2: and wonder. Whether it's the holiday season or another time, 747 00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,279 Speaker 2: love is all around. As a reminder, come visit me 748 00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,440 Speaker 2: sometime on my free Sunday gathering on Zoom two pm 749 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:11,360 Speaker 2: New York time, every single Sunday. There's a lot to 750 00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,960 Speaker 2: explore on my website, we Don't Die dot com. Go 751 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,040 Speaker 2: to the Scottmilligan page if you're interested in this. We 752 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:22,200 Speaker 2: even created a guide to home Circles, which explain not 753 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,719 Speaker 2: just home circles, but how to start your development to 754 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,960 Speaker 2: have a closer connection with spirit. Remember, as my friend 755 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:34,040 Speaker 2: Scott Milligan says, they haven't lost their life, They've just 756 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:39,120 Speaker 2: lost their voice. I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you for listening 757 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,719 Speaker 2: to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast 758 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,480 Speaker 2: to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. 759 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,919 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 760 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,959 Speaker 1: Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make sure and check out 761 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,000 Speaker 1: all our show is on the iHeartRadio app or by 762 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:08,600 Speaker 1: going to iHeartRadio dot com, MHM