1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: When you start to understand how food affects your body 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: and get educated on that, that can give you a 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: little bit of freedom. 4 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Emily and Badi here, you are listening to 5 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: another installment of Hurdle Moment from Hurdle, a wellness focused 6 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 2: podcast where I sit down with everyone from your favorite 7 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 2: athletes to top experts in industry CEOs to talk about 8 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: their highest highs, toughest moments, and everything in between. We 9 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 2: all go through hurdles in life, and my goal through 10 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: these discussions is to empower you to better navigate yours 11 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: and move with intention so that you can stride towards 12 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: your own big potential and of course have some fun 13 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 2: along the way. For today's episode, I am chatting with Vanessa. 14 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 3: She is the co founder of Kalina Health. 15 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 2: She's also a registered dietitian, and we are talking all 16 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 2: about this concept of why dieting doesn't work in the 17 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 2: long haul. 18 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 3: Now, this is. 19 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: Something that I've talked about sporadically on the show, and 20 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: I do feel as though I need to provide a 21 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 2: little bit of context. You may have heard me talk 22 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,639 Speaker 2: about using WW to lose weight in college. I didn't 23 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 2: so much necessarily follow the program as much as I 24 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 2: used the option to weigh in at a facility a 25 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: center as they call them, to stay accountable and head 26 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 2: toward my goals. I don't believe in restriction whatsoever. I 27 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: believe that you can have all things in moderation, and 28 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 2: that is really what me and Vanessa are talking about. 29 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 3: In today's episode, she shares. 30 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: How she got into this line of work and we 31 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: have a really meaningful discussion about eating things that make 32 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 2: you feel fulfilled and satisfied. Used the word long term 33 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: weight loss, keeping the weight off strategically when I said 34 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: that diets don't work, because, as Vanessa says in today's episode, 35 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: yes they can work in the short term, but the 36 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 2: question really comes up, are you going to live in 37 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: a restricted type of lifestyle for the rest of your 38 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: days and do you even want to? 39 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 3: For me, my answer is no. 40 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: I know that yes, this topic can be controversial, and 41 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 2: I also really appreciate that Vanessa is standing where I 42 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: stand on this idea that if you want. 43 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 3: To lose weight, it is okay. 44 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: So much is happening these days with the body neutrality 45 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 2: body positivity movement, and while I support everyone on their 46 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: journey learning what healthy, feels like and maybe even looks 47 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 2: like for them. It is okay if you are in 48 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: your body, sitting as you are and feel as though, hey, 49 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 2: I'm just not happy, I don't feel right. 50 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 3: I want to do something, and that something might involve 51 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 3: losing a few pounds. 52 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 2: To each their own, everybody is different, and as Vanessa 53 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: stresses in today's episode, it is important for you to 54 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 2: talk to someone one on one about what you're going 55 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 2: through so that you can make informed, good decisions. 56 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 3: For you moving forward. I do have to note and 57 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 3: mark this. 58 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 2: Episode explicit Vanessa's hilarious. She really does have a no 59 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 2: bs approach to her advice style, something that I could 60 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 2: really appreciate, and honestly, with these topics, it. 61 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 3: Was for me really really refreshing. 62 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 2: Make sure you're following along with Hurdle over on social media. 63 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 3: It's at Hurdle podcast. 64 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: I am over at Emily a body also want to 65 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: call out if you want to be spotlighted in the 66 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: Weekly Hurdle, I would love that the link to submit 67 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 2: yourself or even a friend with a nomination form in 68 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: the show notes. 69 00:03:55,480 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 3: With that, let's get to hurdling today. I am sitting 70 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 3: down with Vanessa Rossetto. 71 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: She's a co founder of a Kaleena Health and a 72 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: registered dietitian. I'm so excited to have you here today. 73 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 2: I know that we have a lot to get into. 74 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 2: I want to focus with you in our conversation about 75 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 2: why the concept of a diet may not be the 76 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 2: ideal way to approach eating, even if you are hoping 77 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: to lose a little bit of weight. So before we 78 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 2: get into chatting all things diet and anti diet or 79 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: maybe not dieting, why don't you give us a little 80 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 2: information about you yourself, how you got to where you 81 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: are now, shed some light on your background for us. 82 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. I always tell everybody that I'm my parents' biggest 83 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: disappointment because I'm not a doctor, and so they're not 84 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: doctors either. That my mom was a nurse and my 85 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: dad is an engineer, but they're immigrants and so like 86 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,799 Speaker 1: the North Stars for your child to be a doctor. 87 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: And then when I decided to go back to school 88 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: to be a dietitian, they were just like, oh God. 89 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 1: And then but it was fine because I was going 90 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: to work in the hospital and so they were okay 91 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: with that. And then I decided that I was going 92 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: to take all these twists and turns. I ended up 93 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: back at NYU teaching the dietetic internship, and I started 94 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: cooling to health with another colleague, Tomar Samuels, and we 95 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: just thought like, hey, we have insurance contracts, so we're 96 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: just going to take insurance, like give people access and 97 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: hire two other dietitians. And it was going to be like, hey, 98 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: we're just gonna, you know, hire these people. We're going 99 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: to see people from insurance. We're not going to ourselves 100 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: at the end of the year. We're going to pay 101 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: our taxes and whatever's extra. We're just going to split 102 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: that two ways and keep going. But then COVID happened, 103 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: and there became this need for people to understand their health, 104 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: have access to their health, be able to talk to 105 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: their practitioner over zoom, like in real time, and we 106 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: were providing that. And because it was the first time 107 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: that insurance companies were going to reimburse telehealth at the 108 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: same rate as an office visit, we could scale right 109 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: like you could see more people. So it was just 110 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: it was this like really great thing, and then investors 111 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: started calling. They're like investor called me, and they're like, hey, 112 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: do you want to partner, and I'm like, do you 113 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: what are you calling the right person? Uh? And and 114 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: so then we ended up raising the seed round, you know, 115 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: under the like the mission and right is to just 116 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: like give people access right whatever health and wellness means 117 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: to you. It's just such a fragmented and confusing space. 118 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: You know, you don't know like should I lose light? 119 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: Should I not lose late? Is okay? If I want 120 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: to lose lid? Do I do I care about my diabetes? 121 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: Do I not care about what I eat? Like, there's 122 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: so many messages, so being able to provide clear information 123 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: to people rooted in data and science, like we are 124 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: all licensed, and also it's basically free, right, like insurance 125 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: pays for it. So so all of that is like 126 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,119 Speaker 1: we're doing good work where we are really helping people. 127 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: And that was really the whole point of the whole thing. 128 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, it's not all that often that 129 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 2: you hear someone say like, well we'll just figure out, 130 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 2: like we'll just split whatever's last right, So it's really 131 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: clear that your purpose was really what was guiding you 132 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 2: as you built this from scratch. 133 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. I always think I'm going to say something I 134 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: say a lot of controversial things. I say them nicely 135 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: sort of. But I think that like nutrition is this 136 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: like slug of a profession, Like the space is fragmented. 137 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: Everybody can call themselves a nutritionists. Our governing body doesn't 138 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: protect us, and so everyone is fighting for scraps to 139 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: try to get noticed. So when people say to you, oh, 140 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: it's totally easy, just do whatever you want, don't worry 141 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: about it, that's also bullshit, right, So I'm always the 142 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: one that's going to always tell the truth. The truth 143 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: is whatever you're trying to do, weight loss, lower your 144 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: A one C for diabetes, lower your cholesterol, all of 145 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: those things, healing your relationship with food, that is going 146 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: to be worked. It's going to be hard work. It's 147 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,559 Speaker 1: not sexy, and you need people behind you to help 148 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: you get over whatever the hump is. It's too hard 149 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: to do it by yourself. You don't know what's right. 150 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: And also there's so many little nuances with the plan 151 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: where a plan somebody else did and you're going to 152 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: do and you think it's going to like save you, 153 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: it's not. It's probably not going to work for you. 154 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: Because that's the truth. 155 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of shame also in admitting 156 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: maybe that you have veered off of a path that 157 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 2: made you feel good, or that you are keeping certain 158 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 2: things in your cabinets that you quote unquote feel like 159 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: you shouldn't be. And so people don't reach out for 160 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 2: help because they feel as though they really are just 161 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 2: veered off course completely and have done something completely wrong. 162 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 2: But the most beautiful thing that you can do for yourself, 163 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 2: and I feel like you'll agree, is starting by admitting 164 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: that hey, I do need help and opening yourself up 165 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:46,359 Speaker 2: to that experience. 166 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: I always talk about Jaylo because she's like my north star, 167 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: even though like she's not because I don't have Jaylo 168 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: means her money. But you know, she's fifty two years 169 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: old and she's beautiful and seemingly like perfect. But I 170 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: always say, like, but she's a Puerto Rican who doesn't 171 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: eat rice, like, so she happy. I don't know she would. 172 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: I would not be happy so like, but but you 173 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like, even she has to struggle 174 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: to do something right, like she's she's conditioned herself. Okay, 175 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: this is what I'm gonna do. My body is part 176 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 1: of my job, and so and not eating rice is 177 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: something that I have to do, Like, Okay, that's that's 178 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: a sacrifice and a struggle and a compromise. Maybe she 179 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: wants to eat rice every day. So like we have 180 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: to start to be like very realistic about what we 181 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: are capable of doing and like what is good and 182 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: what is good enough. 183 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 2: This concept of everybody struggles is just so important as well, 184 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 2: because just like someone may seem as though they're not 185 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: struggling with something like their body image. I recently put 186 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 2: up an Instagram story asking my followers to let me 187 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 2: know if they struggle with how they feel while wearing 188 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 2: workout clothes. I had everyone from elite level pro athletes 189 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 2: saying one hundred percent yes to women that have messaged 190 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 2: me in their past saying that they identify with being 191 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 2: uncomfortable in their body and the feeling as. 192 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 3: Though they're overweight. 193 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 2: So that struggle is not just specific to one body type, 194 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 2: and that is something that's so important for us to 195 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 2: get to a place where we can be open about 196 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 2: that because sitting in your shame by yourself is a 197 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: lonely experience that you do not need to do or. 198 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: You do not need to have totally. And the thing 199 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: is is that when you have those ideas and those tendencies, 200 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: and then you keep them quiet. But what happens is 201 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: they actually do come out sideways. So maybe they come 202 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: out and how you communicate to your kids or to 203 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: your partner or to your friends, and those are things 204 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 1: that you don't realize because you normalize counting the calories, 205 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: talking about how your thighs rupped together, saying that you're 206 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: fat in passing, Like I always like to watch my 207 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: kids because they are they those two like live the dreams. 208 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: They don't give a fuck. They're like, oh, yeah, how 209 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: many cars have more carbs in my lunch today? Like also, 210 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: I want a sandwich, I want cookies, I want pretzels, 211 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: And I'm like, can you please eat a piece of fruity? 212 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: Like fine, I guess so, but like these like right, 213 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: like I'd love to see kids just like eating and 214 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: free and they're okay with their bodies and they like 215 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: everybody's body is different and nobody is like commenting on it. 216 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: Nobody is saying, oh, you look so nice or you 217 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: look so thin, Like I want that for us, but 218 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: we're so it's so hard because you know, as you age, 219 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: that's just like very hard to come back from but 220 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: you know, we have to make sure that whatever whatever 221 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: our defects are like not to pass them on to 222 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: these next generations. So I think it's really the language 223 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 1: that you use and how you treat yourself and others 224 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: so that we can sort of break these cycles. 225 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 3: Definitely, definitely. 226 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: So, as I said at the top of this, we 227 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 2: are really here to talk about this idea that we've 228 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 2: started riffing on so far, which is that diets don't 229 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 2: work and what to do instead. 230 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 3: So why don't we start off by explaining the. 231 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 2: Thought process of why diets don't work? 232 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: Right? Well, okay, so the thing is that every diet 233 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: will work as long as you do it. It's just like, 234 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: what is the sustainability of that? And that's the problem, 235 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: right is in the end, it's just going to go 236 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: back to whatever, whether it's you're taking medication and I 237 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: don't listen, some people need medication and that's fine. But 238 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: when you're somebody who's like, I'm doing this medication as 239 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: the diet, as the quick fix, as because I because 240 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: I can't have the bandwidst, I just this is what 241 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: I'm doing, it never ends well or even like one 242 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: of my friends, I told him. I was like, I'm 243 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: going to talk about you on the podcast. He's like, 244 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: oh my god, it's so annoying. One of my friends 245 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: at forty eight years old got COVID and his body 246 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: was primed for autoimmune so he got type one diabetes. 247 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: And he is forty years old and he's single, and 248 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: he lives alone, and so he doesn't like to take 249 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: insulin at night and very nervous that maybe he's going 250 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: to go low and there'll be nobody around to help 251 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: him out. So he does not eat a lot of 252 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: carbs at all, and his blood sugar is really well controlled. 253 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: But he's doing a keto diet. Well, guess what. That 254 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: keto diet messed with his kidney function put him into 255 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: chronic kiddy disease Stage three. We only can go to five, 256 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: and you need TASiS. It's got a ton of stones 257 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: built up in the kidneys. It's totally reversible. But it's like, 258 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: these are the little nuances that you like. Everyone's like, oh, 259 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: you just do this and it's gonna work. Like is 260 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: it gonna work? Is it sustainable? What is it doing 261 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: to other parts of your body? Like? Why are we 262 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: always looking for something to be fast and quick, like 263 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: we need to go back to it's gonna be hard work. 264 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: It's not going to be glamorous. And just because Jalo 265 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: looks a certain way, right, or you know, like I 266 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: look a certain way, doesn't mean that you need to 267 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: look a certain way. And just because you eat things, 268 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: I mean I want to eat things like, it's okay 269 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: for all of us to be different. So I just 270 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: think that we're on this missions crusade to like look perfect. 271 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: We don't want to admit the truth like people care 272 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: what they look like. People care what they look like. 273 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: That's okay. You can care what you look like. It's fine. 274 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 2: You also do have to be realistic while taking into 275 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 2: account your family history and meet yourself with where you're at. 276 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 2: So feeling good about yourself needs to be truly a feeling. 277 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 2: And if that feeling is associated with perhaps what you 278 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 2: see on social media in a way that isn't realistic 279 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 2: or safe for your body, then the best thing that 280 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 2: you can do is consult with someone irl so you 281 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 2: can set a realistic expectation and vocalize where you're at 282 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 2: and the you know, the mental things that go hand 283 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 2: in hand with the shifting of what you might be 284 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 2: putting into your body or however you're proceeding forward. 285 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. I just think for the longest 286 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,359 Speaker 1: time there was the message of like restriction and elitism 287 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: and thinness is the only way to be. And then 288 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: like all of those people realize that they have like 289 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: disordered eating, and so now it's like through their lens 290 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: of like, hey, that was disordered, So now everything is disordered, 291 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: and it's like, Okay, that is not freaking true. There 292 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: is a middle here, guys, Like everybody stopped. Like obesity 293 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: is a chronic disease. People's body types are based on 294 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: their genetics. It is very multifactorial. There are so many 295 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: genes that people have been studying for thirty and forty 296 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: years trying to really understand the complexities around this. So 297 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: like to dismiss it is very careless, and so I 298 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: think that we have to just go back to talking 299 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: to people about like science and data and like what's real. 300 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: And so what is real is that if everybody in 301 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: your family has larger bodies and you have never been 302 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty pounds in your whole adult life, 303 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: then you're you're not going to be That's okay, so like, 304 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: why don't we change our behaviors on how we're doing things, 305 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: so not so much of this push and pull of 306 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: like restriction and an allowance and like back and forth, 307 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: trying to come out as like holistically and just doing 308 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: things that are better for your body overall. Like let's 309 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: drink some water, guys, let's eat some vegetables. No one 310 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: said you can't eat the doritos. Not everything is a problem, 311 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: Like just because we don't want to eat something because 312 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: we know that that's not what's good for our body 313 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: at this time. Like that's all okay, but just need 314 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: to go back to like being sensible. I don't think 315 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: that people have sense anymore. It's like a chronic problem 316 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: in society. 317 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 3: Senseless people a chronic problem. 318 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 2: I think the dorito's is a good example, though, and 319 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 2: we'll shift our conversation a little bit, because so often 320 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 2: we demonize certain foods. And I actually really appreciate your 321 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 2: approach because you're not only saying don't demonize it, but 322 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 2: you're also adding in, like, don't demonize it, but it's 323 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 2: also okay to not let yourself eat that. 324 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 3: All of the time. 325 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 2: I feel like people are kind of polarized in that 326 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 2: way of thinking. Pretty often it's like, don't make any 327 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 2: food quote unquote bad, and don't quote unquote feel bad 328 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 2: about eating it when you want it. But if you're 329 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 2: being realistic, realistic about what you want, then it's probably 330 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 2: not ideal to like have a portion of French fries 331 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 2: every day, right like. 332 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: Or you and if that's something that you say, oh, 333 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: it's a non negotiable, I have to have French fries 334 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: every day. You're like, okay, so how am I going 335 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: to fit this in? My goal is to maintain my 336 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: weight within ten pounds, Okay, great, and every single day 337 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: I have to eat French fries? Okay, great, Well, then 338 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to figure that out. Like it's it's 339 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: not like you know, you probably okay, you can have that, 340 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: but it's probably gonna be hard to be in line 341 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: with your goal. So either you're going to shift your 342 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: goal or you're gonna make a concession. Okay, I don't 343 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: need to eat the French fries every single day. I'm 344 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 1: gonna eat them every other day. Okay, fine, So no 345 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: one's telling me you can't do it, but you just have 346 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 1: to be realistic about what the outcome is going to 347 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: be so that you're not banging your head against. 348 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 3: The wall right right. 349 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 2: And so for the person who's hearing this that's thinking like, oh, 350 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 2: I can maybe get closer to my goals while eating 351 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,239 Speaker 2: French fries every other day, and you say accommodating for 352 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 2: it or being mindful of how that would integrate into 353 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 2: your overall eating style. Can we talk about maybe what 354 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: you would say to someone who comes to you thinking 355 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 2: that way. 356 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like so when someone comes in and they're like, 357 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: I have to have wine every day, Okay, fine, whatever, 358 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: no problem, and it's not negotiable, like okay, great, that's okay. 359 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: But then they're like, but I really want to lose 360 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: weight and I haven't been able to lose weight, and 361 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: you're like, okay, fine, so the wine is every day. 362 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: Let's try to see other places where we can do 363 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: better with how we're eating. So maybe it's like, because 364 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: you know, everybody's diet could be improved, like maybe you 365 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: could add more vegetables, maybe you could drink more water, right, Like, 366 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: maybe maybe you go long periods of time without eating. 367 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: So like those are the things that I would tackle first, 368 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 1: Like I'm going to do all of these things first, 369 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: to help so that we know we're doing everything we 370 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: can without anybody losing their mind and not you not 371 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 1: giving up the one non negotiable. So we did everything 372 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: that we could. Like, you're eating like so many vegetables 373 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: and you're so happy and you're trying new things and 374 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: fruits and all this stuff, and nothing is happening. Okay, 375 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: can we try wine every other day? Can we try 376 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: instead of two glasses of wine at night, one glass 377 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: of wine a night, Like you're not going to get 378 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: out of here doing whatever you want. But you came 379 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: to me saying that you want to lose weight. We've 380 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: done all of these other things that we're low hanging fruit, 381 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: nothing changed. If you want to see if we're going 382 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: to move the needle, then we're the alcohol is the 383 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: next thing that we're going to take out. So that's 384 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: usually how I approach it to people with people like 385 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: you're non negotiable might be the barrier, So let's make 386 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: some changes here, and then maybe the person's like, okay, 387 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: I'll do every other day. So then they drink every 388 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: other day and they lose four pounds and they're like, hey, 389 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: you know what I okay with every other day and 390 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: the four pound weight loss. I feel really good and 391 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: I change my habits. I'm good here and I'm like 392 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 1: me too great, So. 393 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, right, So just making small changes to get 394 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 2: toward where you want to be, while also integrating things 395 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 2: that feel important to you. Of course, I also think 396 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 2: going back to what you were saying earlier about restriction 397 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 2: being something that's not long term. For those that go 398 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 2: on a quote unquote diet and they lose whatever amount 399 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 2: of weight that they want to lose, what can be 400 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 2: the potential dangers of ending that diet. 401 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, there's anxiety, right like you're because 402 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, I'm going to go back to eating 403 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: however I was eating before, right because because in my mind, 404 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: like I did this diet for a finite amount of time, 405 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: I got to my goal. I achieved the goal, so 406 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: I'm just going to be like balls to the walls, 407 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: like hey, I'm just going to do whatever I want. 408 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: So then the weight starts to creep back up, and 409 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: so then you feel like stressed out, so you either 410 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: start to have like patterns that are very disordered right 411 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: to get back down to where you work because you're like, oh, 412 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: I can't go back, or you go the entire other 413 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: way and you're just like, well, fuck this, I'm gonna 414 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: do whatever I want and then maybe end up gaining 415 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 1: more weight than you had before, because like there's just 416 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: so much mental gymnastics around that. And every time someone 417 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: comes into my office looking for weight loss, nine times 418 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: out of ten they don't eat enough food because they've 419 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: been in this cycle of restricting and then binging and 420 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: allsu So I'm like, okay, guys, let's go back to 421 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 1: eating varied and then let's see where we end up. 422 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: Because what you're doing isn't working, and it's making you 423 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: like all you do is think about what you're eating. 424 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: Everything is around the food that you're putting in your mouth. 425 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: Where really what should happen is you should just get 426 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: cues from your body that like, oh, I'm hungry now, 427 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: and then you should like go and get the food, 428 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: not like IM gonna eat how I'm gona eat it? 429 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: Where am I gonna eat it? Where's the food? Who's 430 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: watching me? Like? This is not the way to live. 431 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 2: Right, going back to our words like good and bad foods, 432 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 2: it's really hard to break the you know, the thought 433 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 2: process that goes into that do you have any advice 434 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 2: or takeaways on how to shift the dialogue so we're 435 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 2: not completely demonizing entire food groups things, et cetera. 436 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like, for foremost, like we have to 437 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: acknowledge that how we were raised around food, Like I 438 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: don't know, I'm forty three, so like anything you know 439 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: back is your parents were well intended, and everybody was 440 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: seemingly well intended, but there was always a shame around 441 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,719 Speaker 1: if somebody was overweight, if they were eating cookies, Like 442 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: someone's policing what you're eating, don't eat that, don't drink 443 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: this this, you know, because nobody wants to be quote 444 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: unquote fat like that. That's just like the messaging that 445 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: was out there. But now there is a shift, right, 446 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: Like people are more mindful of the way that they 447 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,479 Speaker 1: talk about food, and you know, like when I talk 448 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: about food with my kids, I'm not like, oh, this 449 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: is a good food, this is a bad food. I'll 450 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: be like, okay, this is fine, but can somebody adds 451 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: some protein. I don't care what the protein looks like, 452 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: because I'm just tired of everyone asking me for food 453 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: all the time. I'm always at the grocery store spending 454 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 1: money on groceries because you people are just constantly eating, 455 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: or if you just added some protein into this, we 456 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: would be full for longer. So they get that right, 457 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: they're like, okay, like I'm gonna have an egg, I'm 458 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: going to have a chicken here, and like whatever else. 459 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: So I think that when you start to understand how 460 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 1: food affects your body and get educated on that, that 461 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: can give you a little bit of freedom. Also, if 462 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: you try, like okay, you're restricting and then you're binging 463 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: your and you see the scale up and down, up 464 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 1: and down, up and down, and then you say yourself, 465 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: you know what, this week, I'm just going to eat 466 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: my meals and I'm not gonna have any charge around 467 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: the meal that I'm eating. I'm just gonna eat it. 468 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat what I want when I want, and 469 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: stop what I want. Eventually, then you start to see 470 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, like, oh I'm not overeating. Oh the 471 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,239 Speaker 1: scale hasn't gone up. Oh, so like that was an 472 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: exercise and I was okay, so now I can try 473 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: the next thing. Right, you have to be willing, and 474 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: sometimes that's very hard. So maybe you need therapy, Maybe 475 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: you need a dietician. Maybe you need a combination, but 476 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: you might just need to lean on people to help 477 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: you navigate through that, especially if the noise around how 478 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: you talk about food to yourself is always loud and 479 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: always not nice. Probably need some extra help. 480 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's that common saying talk to yourself like 481 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 2: you would a loved one. I've certainly gone through phases, 482 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 2: as I'm sure many people listening to this right now, 483 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 2: and maybe even you yourself, when it comes to food 484 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 2: and talking about food, where I'm like just so heavily 485 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 2: criticizing my decisions, my food choices, and I don't think 486 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 2: that anyone is independent of that. 487 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 3: I feel like it's something that we all go through. 488 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, you're like, oh, I shouldn't have had that, 489 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: But like, I mean why, Like, no big deal. Who 490 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: cares that you had the McDonald's cheeseburger. It was a cheeseburger. 491 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: It's one meal. Just like acknowledge it and move on. 492 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: Like when people come to me and they're like, oh, 493 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: I was really bad this weekend. My friends came into 494 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: town on Friday and we went out to dinner and 495 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: I had wine and I had dessert, and you know, 496 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: it was a whole thing and I'm like, okay, but 497 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: did you enjoy the time with your friends or were 498 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: you sitting around thinking about how you were bad eating 499 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: this food? Because if you're engaged with your friends and 500 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: your family and you're having a good time, I don't 501 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: really want you thinking about the food you should or 502 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: shouldn't be eating, Like then you're wasting a moment and 503 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 1: people that resonates with people when you say that, like, 504 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: so then that helps you make choices, Like you know, 505 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: around the holidays, everyone's like what should I do around 506 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: the holidays? Like, oh my gosh, there's all these parties 507 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: all the time, and I end up getting weight And 508 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, do you need to go out on 509 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: Tuesday night with your coworkers and drink a bottle of tequila? 510 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: Like you don't, like you could say no to the park. 511 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: It's not like your best friend that you haven't seen 512 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: in five years came into town that of course I 513 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: want to enjoy that time with that person, Like, no problem. 514 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 1: But if every single night there's a client dinner, there's 515 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: a work dinner, there's those things get old and so fine, 516 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: maybe you have to show your face, but you don't 517 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: have to like deeply participate in every single thing. Those 518 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: are ways for you to make concessions without it being 519 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: like such a heavy lift. 520 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 2: Or be honest with yourself that you want to be 521 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 2: involved in these things. But being involved doesn't mean that 522 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 2: you also need to drink the bottle of tequila. 523 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: You know. 524 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 2: Finding swaps that may make you feel better in your 525 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 2: body in the long term instead of like some sort 526 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 2: of instant gratification moment is going to be something that pays. 527 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 3: Off in the long term. 528 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 2: But again, that can be super hard when you're in 529 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 2: the moment and everyone around you is on like their 530 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 2: unfortunate twelfth shot. 531 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, or like it's funny. In my apartment building, 532 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 1: we only have like eleven units and we're all like 533 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: original owners, and so we're all like friends, and we'll 534 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: go out to dinner, and we always go out to dinner, 535 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: like on a Tuesday. It's always a Tuesday, And so 536 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 1: you're outt to dinner and they'll be like drinking or whatever, 537 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: and they're like, you're not going to have a drink. 538 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, guys, it's Tuesday. I just I just want 539 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: to go home and go to sleep. Also, you're making 540 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: me eat dinner at seven thirty at night. This is 541 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 1: like recipe for heartburn and disaster. 542 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 3: So no thanks, you're looking my language. 543 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 2: I'm like in bed at nine o'clock, person, So dinner 544 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 2: at seven thirty is pushing it for me too, totally so. 545 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: And it's so funny because you know, they're like, okay, 546 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: And the last time we went out to dinner with them, 547 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: one of them was like, I always have so much 548 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: fun with you, and you're always sober and I'm always 549 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: drunk and you make me laugh so much. And I'm like, yeah, 550 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: because it's Tuesday, Meredith's. 551 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 3: Funny how this happens for us. 552 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 2: And that's the last thing that I think we should 553 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 2: talk about here, and that is establishing personal boundaries and 554 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 2: getting honest with yourself because I do feel as though 555 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 2: a lot of the choices that we make around food, 556 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 2: whether it is things that we're going to split at 557 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 2: the table or maybe having that other drink, really those 558 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: choices are you trying to make someone else happy or 559 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 2: to try to avoid a situation where you have to 560 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 2: explain yourself or move from a place. 561 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 3: Of like being on the defensive. 562 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 2: So for someone who hears that and they're like, yes, 563 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 2: actually hearing you say. That makes me realize that a 564 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 2: lot of the times I'm making choices around my food, 565 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 2: I am doing so kind of to please other people, 566 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 2: to be a people pleaser. 567 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 3: What do you say to them? 568 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 2: How do they get more comfortable owning their decisions so 569 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 2: that again, in the long term, they feel more happy, content, 570 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 2: comfortable with where they move from from there? 571 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: Totally, I mean, there is so much power in no, 572 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: Like what is going to happen if you say no? 573 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: Like sorry, no, or not even sorry. My cousin's always like, 574 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: don't say sorry. That means it's like a problem. It's 575 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: not a problem, that's your choice. So just say no. No, 576 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. No. No, I don't like to drink. 577 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: I don't like it. It disrupts my sleep, It gives 578 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: me anxiety, it makes me depressed in the morning. I 579 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: don't like drinking. I don't ask you why you are drinking, 580 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: so leave me alone. I don't ask you why you 581 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: don't want to have that piece of cake? Like, of 582 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: course I'll offer somebody something like, oh, are you gonna 583 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: have some You're gonna have dessert? No, I'm okay, okay, fine, 584 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: like move on, Like everybody has a choice. And everybody 585 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: doesn't have to conform to what you want. So also, 586 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: like you as the you know, why aren't you drinking? 587 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: Why aren't you eating dessert? Why aren't you That's also 588 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: not okay, right, Like everybody needs to have their boundaries, 589 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: everybody's to respect other people. Don't do anything that you 590 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: are going to resent yourself or someone else for later. 591 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: So like, just do only what makes you happy. 592 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 3: Do only what makes you happy. 593 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: I ask you that no one cares about your happiness, 594 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: but you only you care about your happiness. 595 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 2: Well, I think that this was super interesting and I 596 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 2: really appreciate this whole sentiment. I think it's something that 597 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 2: since when I was younger I losing weight. I have 598 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 2: now kept off a weight loss for a very long time, 599 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 2: over ten years, and doing that for me is a 600 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 2: big part of this diets aren't for me thing, figuring 601 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 2: out how to live my lifestyle in a way that 602 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 2: feels comfortable and functional for me, embracing my no and 603 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 2: so many things that we talked about today. So super 604 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 2: grateful for your input here today, Vanessa. How do the 605 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 2: hurdlers keep up with you? How do they follow along 606 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 2: with you? 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