WEBVTT - Crime Stories with Nancy Grace: Unlock Your Own DNA Mystery!

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever thought about how incredibly complex I spit is.

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<v Speaker 1>It may only be water, but just aliva isn't simple.

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<v Speaker 1>That remaining one percent holds incredibly meaningful information that could

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<v Speaker 1>change everything. And I'm not just talking about your family

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<v Speaker 1>treat Hi. I'm Barret to day Thurston. And on this

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<v Speaker 1>season of Spit and I Heart Radio podcast with twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three and Me, we explore how DNA isn't just about ancestry,

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<v Speaker 1>it can also be key to understanding your health. Hello, Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome back to another episode of Spit. Today we've

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<v Speaker 1>got the one and only host of crime Stories, Nancy Grace.

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy's taking a break from true crime to get to

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom of an entirely different investigation her twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>and Me Test reports. You might know Nancy as one

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<v Speaker 1>of the fiercest legal analysts around, but she's also a

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<v Speaker 1>proud mother of twins. Well, Nancy has covered some of

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<v Speaker 1>the most famous and infamous cases in American true crime.

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<v Speaker 1>She's also been known to share the fears and triumphs

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<v Speaker 1>of motherhood with her listeners. So when Nancy and her

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<v Speaker 1>family recently took a twenty three me test, she just

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<v Speaker 1>had to let her listeners in on the journey, Nancy

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<v Speaker 1>sits down with a panel of experts to get a

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<v Speaker 1>better understanding of her family's reports and the role genetics

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<v Speaker 1>play in their health. And connecting all the dots, she

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<v Speaker 1>explores the science behind the test and looks to show

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<v Speaker 1>listeners how the information contained in twenty three and me

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<v Speaker 1>reports can empower you on the journey to a healthier life.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's listen. In twenty three and me, you'd have to

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<v Speaker 1>be living under a rock in a cave in a

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<v Speaker 1>far away distantly and not to know what three and

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<v Speaker 1>me is. It's ancestry testing. You find out where you're from,

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<v Speaker 1>who you are so to speak, uh, chromosomely genetically that is,

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<v Speaker 1>can that discovery unlock secrets the secrets of your genetic

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<v Speaker 1>makeup that can help you lead healthier and I believe

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<v Speaker 1>happier life. We hear stories about genetic tracing that you

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<v Speaker 1>you find distant relatives, You find out your family tree

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<v Speaker 1>goes all the way back to Anglo Saxon times. But

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<v Speaker 1>how can it help me into here? And now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>raising two twins they just turn fifteen. Let me wash

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<v Speaker 1>my mouth out with soap. I can't believe they're fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I learn anything from this genetic Uh? Let me

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<v Speaker 1>say genetic makeup, genetic identity, genetic composite that will help

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<v Speaker 1>my twins and me and my husband David and my

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<v Speaker 1>mother Elizabeth live a longer, healthier life. I'mancy Grace and

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<v Speaker 1>we are talking about twenty three and me with me

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<v Speaker 1>an all star panel to make sense of all of this.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're a LA person like me, I I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>a j D. But I know nothing about genetic counseling.

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<v Speaker 1>What does it mean? Joining me up an incredible host

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<v Speaker 1>of yes, But I want to go first to Stacy

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<v Speaker 1>debt Wiler. She is a license certified genetic counselor with

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three and me, Stacy, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>being with us. Thank you here? What is in a

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<v Speaker 1>nutshall remember? This is twenty three? And me for dummy's

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<v Speaker 1>what is twenty three? And me? Hey, guys, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>I took the test, Go ahead tell me Stacy. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot right. Um. So I think you you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of mentioned what people first thing about is ancestry. But

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<v Speaker 1>what I really get excited about it the hall. And

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<v Speaker 1>there is a lot of information that you can find

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<v Speaker 1>out from a little bit of spit which we're able

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<v Speaker 1>to get DNA from, so there's information about your own Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>did you say a little bit of spit? Because we

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<v Speaker 1>have to spit and spit and spit. I mean I'm

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<v Speaker 1>used to quiminal cases, Stacy, where you get a genetic

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<v Speaker 1>marker and identity, and like this is mina skill amount

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<v Speaker 1>of I don't blood saliva. Why did we have to

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<v Speaker 1>spit so much? Yeah, that's why we fall the spit party. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't think about it like that. I don't let

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<v Speaker 1>to Alisa take this one a little bit, um, just

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<v Speaker 1>because there's you know, you need to get enough DNA

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<v Speaker 1>from that spit in order to be able to give

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<v Speaker 1>you all these insights. Um, who's over six five? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll go to Alisa with me is a Lisa Lehman,

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<v Speaker 1>Senior manager and product science at twenty three and me

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<v Speaker 1>and you can find everybody at medical dot twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>and me dot com and it's and spelled out twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three and me dot com atly soa welcome to you

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<v Speaker 1>and Stacy. Why so much spit? You know you're a

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<v Speaker 1>pH d and a senior manager. I feel kind of

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<v Speaker 1>wrong asking you why did I have to spit so much?

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<v Speaker 1>But why did I have to spit so much? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for having me? And why do you have

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<v Speaker 1>to sit so much? As the best question I think

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<v Speaker 1>to ask, I'd love I'd love answering questions like this. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Stacy said, right, what we're trying to do is

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<v Speaker 1>get your d NA um the easiest way possible. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't want people to have to go give us

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<v Speaker 1>a blood sample, so spit very easy to get. But

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<v Speaker 1>what we're doing is we're trying to get the d

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<v Speaker 1>N A that's in almost every cell in your body,

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<v Speaker 1>including the cells inside your cheeks. So when you spit

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<v Speaker 1>and spit and spit, what's coming along for the ride

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<v Speaker 1>is some of those cheek cells um from from your mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>And what we're trying to do is make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to get enough of those cells so we

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<v Speaker 1>get enough DNA to make sure that when we run

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<v Speaker 1>and analyze that DNA extracted from the cells, when we

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<v Speaker 1>try and figure out your a's and seas and teas

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<v Speaker 1>and gees from your DNA, that we have enough so

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to do it again. What are a's

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<v Speaker 1>and seas and Jason T So your DNA you can

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<v Speaker 1>think of as a code that is there to um

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<v Speaker 1>explain how to you know what? Alsa lame and just

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<v Speaker 1>stop right there. My son who is a star in

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<v Speaker 1>robotics and science, and he keeps talking about coding, and

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<v Speaker 1>I keep acting like I know what he's talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you talking about? So when I'm talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the genetic code, it is more like you know codes

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<v Speaker 1>during World War Two where you are trying there's information,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is written in a way that you know

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<v Speaker 1>you need to be able to decode it to understand it.

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<v Speaker 1>So your DNA is like that. Okay, now I understand.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I understand with me to new friends Stacy Entwiler

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<v Speaker 1>and Alsa Lehman from twenty three and me and who

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<v Speaker 1>longtime friends Karen Start joining us were now psychologists joining

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<v Speaker 1>us out of Manhattan. You can find her at karen

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<v Speaker 1>Start dot com. That's Karen with a C. And Dr

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle dupre, my longtime colleague joining us out of South Carolina,

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<v Speaker 1>forensic pathologist, medical examiner, author of multiple books. Dr Dupree, now,

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<v Speaker 1>what about this a regular role? PhD just told me

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<v Speaker 1>something you've never told me. I've never heard the phrase

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<v Speaker 1>cheek seals have you heard the phrase cheek sales, Jackie. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you've never mentioned that. Dupre no. I always say epithelial sales,

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<v Speaker 1>and you crashed down on me for using such a

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<v Speaker 1>technical term. Yeah, do so. The seals inside of your

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<v Speaker 1>cheek are epiphilial cells, which I always equate with cells

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<v Speaker 1>that come from your skin. Well, they come from they

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<v Speaker 1>come from the outside of the new organ. Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>learning a lot, you know, Karen, start joining me in

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<v Speaker 1>New York psychologists. Why are so many people afraid to

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<v Speaker 1>get a DNA test? I think they were prey nancy

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<v Speaker 1>to find out things that they don't know, and the

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<v Speaker 1>unknown can often be scary, and especially if you get

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<v Speaker 1>health information and they wonder, well, what do I do

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<v Speaker 1>about its information once they get it? Okay, Karen, you're

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<v Speaker 1>so smart. You know what? You just hit the nail

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<v Speaker 1>on the head. Because, um, when we decided to do

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three and me, I was reading about it my daughter,

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<v Speaker 1>this is why we did it. My daughter wants to

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<v Speaker 1>know her ancestry. And I said, you're Irish, and I

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<v Speaker 1>go to bed just you know, I didn't know what

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<v Speaker 1>else to say. That's all I knew. Um, but I

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<v Speaker 1>knew that there was more in the mix because my

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<v Speaker 1>mother is deeply all of skinned, with black hair and

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<v Speaker 1>amazing blue eyes, and I come out with, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>really really white and and hazel eyes and blonde hair,

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<v Speaker 1>and my dad was ready complexed. And I'm wondering how

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<v Speaker 1>does all this mix together when we're basically mutts. But

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<v Speaker 1>that aside, Karen, start what you said. When I started

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about taking doing twenty three and me and the

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<v Speaker 1>spit party, I think either Stacy or Elsa said spit party.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, sure, I want to know all my health information.

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<v Speaker 1>I wan't to know everything, but when I got the report,

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<v Speaker 1>I had to tell you I did have a tiny

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<v Speaker 1>hesitation when I clicked on UM, I clicked on health.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really easy to read. Everybody, you get it in

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<v Speaker 1>your email or wherever you want it sent, and don't

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<v Speaker 1>ruin it you for or you Jackie, because guys, Jackie

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<v Speaker 1>is our executive producer on Crime Stories. So Lucy has

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<v Speaker 1>always wanted her ancestry. And I'm going to print it

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<v Speaker 1>all out and make it like a college diploma looking

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<v Speaker 1>thing and wrap it in a ribbon. And that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be one of her Christmas gifts. Okay, not from Santa,

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<v Speaker 1>but from me and so don't tell or anything we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, especially you care and start. So I was

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit afraid when I just a tiny bit,

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<v Speaker 1>I had a pause. So let me go back to you,

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<v Speaker 1>Stacy Debt. While are joining US Medical Affairs Manager, what

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<v Speaker 1>type of health information can I learn from twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>and me? Yeah, so the Helpless Ancestry Service. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of different health replaces in there, and the big

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<v Speaker 1>ones that we think about are the ones that why

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<v Speaker 1>you information about your own likelihood or chances for developments

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<v Speaker 1>like type two diabetes UM. So this is using your

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<v Speaker 1>own genetic information. There's also the more general wellness one,

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<v Speaker 1>so big one that I think about is likelihoods of

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<v Speaker 1>being lack of all learning um. But there's also reports

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<v Speaker 1>that can provide information about there. Do you have a theory,

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<v Speaker 1>a genetic theory that you might pass on your future

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<v Speaker 1>children that could impact them? It helps too, So being

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<v Speaker 1>a genetic health I always think about the family aspect.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a little bit for you, there's a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>potentially for family members as well. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>different information that you can get miss um. There's even

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty plus membership that even opens that up more

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<v Speaker 1>already the additional UM insights. So there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>different health information that you've learned about. It's not diagnostics,

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<v Speaker 1>but it can ultimately lead you into the passes talking

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<v Speaker 1>to your healthcare providers. I mean a potential life change, diagnosis,

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<v Speaker 1>UM or a lot of these healthy lifestyle is the

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<v Speaker 1>prevention as that can really promote these actions that you

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<v Speaker 1>can take every day to help you live a longer, happier,

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<v Speaker 1>healthy life. Well, I gotta tell you I learned a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>I learned that I have a higher risk of getting

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<v Speaker 1>cilliac disease. Now, can somebody tell me what that is exact? Actually?

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<v Speaker 1>What is that? Dr dupree Ciliac disease. That's physically a

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<v Speaker 1>sensitivity to gluten which is found in flour and wheats

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<v Speaker 1>and things like that. Right, you're not telling me to

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<v Speaker 1>cut out carbs, are you? Because I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>hear that. I'm not telling you. Well, I'm saying it

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<v Speaker 1>might be a good ideas slightly higher risk. It is

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<v Speaker 1>not high risk, slightly higher exactly. And they also propensity,

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't mean that it's going to happen. You had

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<v Speaker 1>a propensity for that also increased likelihood of type two diabetes. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>Explain what that means, Dr Dupree. But type two diabetes

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<v Speaker 1>UM means that you usually acquire diabetes later in life. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>It is UM. It can be controlled by medication. It

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<v Speaker 1>can also be controlled by nothing more than diet and exercise. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>If it hasn't progressed too far, it may require medicines

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<v Speaker 1>such as pills, and it may actually try into insul independence.

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<v Speaker 1>It's usually found in older adults. UM. But again you're

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<v Speaker 1>saying it can be prevented. It can be with diet

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<v Speaker 1>and exercise. It can be you can actually change your

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<v Speaker 1>your diagnosis basically of diabetes sometimes if it hasn't progressed

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<v Speaker 1>your part and if you're on a very healthy diet

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<v Speaker 1>and UM exercise. You know what else is interesting? Elisa

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<v Speaker 1>Lehman joining me senior manager product Science at twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>In me, everything was dead on it's My results were

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<v Speaker 1>higher odds of hazel eyes, which I have afraid likely

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<v Speaker 1>to be afraid of heights. I am not afraid of heights.

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<v Speaker 1>My father, however, hated heights, hated hyson. I will tell

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<v Speaker 1>you after hiking a lot Alisa all Over that when

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<v Speaker 1>I get to the top of a let's say, mountain,

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<v Speaker 1>finally get to the top of it. I'm not afraid

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<v Speaker 1>from the waist up, but from the waist down, my

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<v Speaker 1>legs seem to tremble. I can always feel it, Like

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<v Speaker 1>when we went to the top of a summit Grand

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<v Speaker 1>Can and I look down. I was talking about how

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful it was and trying to take pictures, but my

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<v Speaker 1>legs were shaking. What does that mean? I guess that

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<v Speaker 1>would be the fear of het Maybe a little part

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<v Speaker 1>of you still still care, is that? I think? What's

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<v Speaker 1>you know really interesting about you know, all the information

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<v Speaker 1>that you can get with twenty three and me, is

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<v Speaker 1>you see, like how many things in your life. Jenetics

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<v Speaker 1>may have a little roll in, right, it may nudge

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<v Speaker 1>you towards one thing or another. But as you said,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not destiny, right, it's a it's a propensity maybe,

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<v Speaker 1>but you may not be afraid of heights. Maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>know that beautiful view overcomes that fear for you, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like you said, legs up, you are just

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<v Speaker 1>enjoying that beautiful view, and a propensity for fear of

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<v Speaker 1>pipe doesn't matter at that point. How in the world, though,

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<v Speaker 1>do your chromosomes. Um, Jackie's holding a basson. Not afraid

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<v Speaker 1>of hies, but am afraid of falling. Okay, thank you, Jackie.

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<v Speaker 1>How do janette markers determine if you're afraid of heights?

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<v Speaker 1>Because my father was definitely afraid of heights. I've never

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<v Speaker 1>heard that before. Anybody jump in that knows the answer

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<v Speaker 1>to that one, Well, I can tell you at twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three and me. What we do is we look at

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<v Speaker 1>people who tell us they're afraid of heights and compare

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<v Speaker 1>their DNA to people who say they're not afraid of heights.

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<v Speaker 1>And what we're looking for is differences, like different places

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<v Speaker 1>in their d n A that's different between those two groups.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we can say that people who have who

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<v Speaker 1>are afraid of heights tend to have this certain genetic

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<v Speaker 1>marker that people who aren't afraid of heights who don't have.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we can tell you that that you may

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<v Speaker 1>have this marker that seems to be associated with being

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<v Speaker 1>afraid of heights. You know, really interesting thing I found

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<v Speaker 1>out my mom has natural degeneration and and my mother

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<v Speaker 1>in law, who believe it or not, Jackie, ever since

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<v Speaker 1>the David and I met back in college over all

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<v Speaker 1>those years, I never had a single cross word with

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<v Speaker 1>his mother or father. Yeah, I'm really really blessed, just

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<v Speaker 1>just so blessed to had them in my life. His

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<v Speaker 1>mother had macular degeneration really badly. Now here's what's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't show a higher likelihood of getting macular degeneration,

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<v Speaker 1>but my husband does. I haven't told him yet. He's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like shut down after he found out he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't Scottish. Okay, so that's a whole another thing. He

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<v Speaker 1>is so convinced he's Scottish. We even bought him a

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<v Speaker 1>kilt and made him wear at one time. Um, he's not.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not Scottish. I think that he's questioning the whole

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<v Speaker 1>oh process because he wants to be Scottish so badly.

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<v Speaker 1>He loves bagpipes, he loves everything about it. But he

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<v Speaker 1>found out that he's a mutt like me and um,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's got a little bit of French in German

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<v Speaker 1>and him, and he was just he was upset when

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<v Speaker 1>he found out our so called thoroughbred dockson was part poodle. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>He was very disturbed about that. So I haven't been

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<v Speaker 1>able to talk to him about being part French and

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<v Speaker 1>part German. Yet I'm going to save it for just

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<v Speaker 1>the right moment. But you know, another thing I found

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<v Speaker 1>out is that, Um, I knew that I was part Jewish,

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<v Speaker 1>but I didn't know it was Ashkenazi. Now that is

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<v Speaker 1>very significant because there are certain health risks associated with

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<v Speaker 1>being Ashkenazi. Does anybody know the answer to that? What

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<v Speaker 1>are those health risks? Yeah? I can jump in here. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>there's certain populations, whether genetic variants that occur more common,

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<v Speaker 1>as Nazi Jewish is one of those that we see

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<v Speaker 1>certain genetic condition much more common in that population. And

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<v Speaker 1>so one of the ones that we think about is

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<v Speaker 1>the r are um inheriting breast cancer, had a hereditary

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<v Speaker 1>breast cancer and or variating cancer. This frest and hold

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<v Speaker 1>on running that down. Hereditary breast cancer, hereditary a varying cancer. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the rday line and r C too, and so individuals

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<v Speaker 1>of oh yeah, just so you know, ladies, Karen Stark's

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<v Speaker 1>breast cancer survivor, go ahead and georr you Oscanazi Karen?

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<v Speaker 1>So you know we're related. Not only did we live

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<v Speaker 1>down the street from each other in New York, now

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<v Speaker 1>we find out we're related. Okay, breast cancer, hereditary breast

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<v Speaker 1>cancretary of varying cancer, the brocka Chaine, and I believe

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<v Speaker 1>tastes lock syndrome, isn't that. Yeah, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>conditions that are autosomal respessive, which is a fancy way

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<v Speaker 1>of saying that kind of you inherited that experience from

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<v Speaker 1>your both room parents, and that can result from the condition.

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<v Speaker 1>And we see more of the like thing in certain populations.

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<v Speaker 1>And so for the r A you're talking about, that

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<v Speaker 1>about one in forty individuals of the Jewish ancestry are

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<v Speaker 1>barriers or habits a variance that greatly increases the risk

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<v Speaker 1>for these certain cancers like breasco various or costee anatic.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I found out so much about my mom too, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I found out that she is partially Nigerian. I found

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<v Speaker 1>out so much about mom. What what is that you

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<v Speaker 1>care and start jeffing and go ahead. Yeah. I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to say, like, if if you get those kind of

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<v Speaker 1>results and they say a potensity to a dist or

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<v Speaker 1>something about the brothogene, it's really important not to be afraid,

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<v Speaker 1>but to go and talk to somebody and go over

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<v Speaker 1>it with your doctor or a genetic counsels like you

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<v Speaker 1>have on the show. Hey, you know what it did

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<v Speaker 1>to me when I found out, um, about the higher

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<v Speaker 1>likelihood of getting type two diabetes. Well, first immediately ordered

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<v Speaker 1>Crispy Kream's and I ate my way through them. Then

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<v Speaker 1>I swore them off. I'm trying. I have one last

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<v Speaker 1>beender before I went on Straight and Narrow. But anyway

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<v Speaker 1>back to twenty three and me, and can we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about security, because um, I found out all sorts of

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<v Speaker 1>things in my line of work. When you talk about

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<v Speaker 1>d n A tists, it's never a good thing. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you know it's as related as I'm crying. But with

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three and me, Um, you can now explain this correctly.

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<v Speaker 1>Stacy dett Wilder and Alisa Lehman. You can actually have

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<v Speaker 1>all of your your results destroyed after you get them.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't want them kept on file, They're destroyed.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gone, like turning off the TV. It's over. It's gone. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You can have it not shared with the public or

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<v Speaker 1>shared with the public if you want. You can have

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<v Speaker 1>limited parts of it shared with the public or none

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<v Speaker 1>of it shared with the public. Is it is all

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<v Speaker 1>of that right? Alisa and or Stacey. Yeah, that's right,

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<v Speaker 1>and I encourage everyone to check out twenty three and

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<v Speaker 1>me dot com slash privacy because I think you're right

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<v Speaker 1>that a lot of people think about the privacy and

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<v Speaker 1>the security concerns about getting this information. And we want

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<v Speaker 1>people to make an informed choice before they decide to

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<v Speaker 1>do test or not. And so we have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of information about what is what we do to protect

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<v Speaker 1>your information. So, yes, you can have your sample destroyed,

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<v Speaker 1>your DNA sample that you provide. You can completely delete

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<v Speaker 1>all your information after you after you get it. You

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<v Speaker 1>can download all your information. You can choose UM which

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<v Speaker 1>reports that you want to view or not view, and

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<v Speaker 1>UM within the health reports, you can choose if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to share information with other people on the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three and me site or with research or not UM,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can use what information is shared. So you

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of control over who sees your information.

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<v Speaker 1>And we want to make sure that people are you know,

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<v Speaker 1>informed of those choices ahead of time. And our general

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<v Speaker 1>policy is that all of these things are opting into sharing.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you don't do anything, we assume you do

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<v Speaker 1>not want to have your information and shared. Oh that's

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<v Speaker 1>so smart. Guys, what she just said. I just immediately

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<v Speaker 1>compared it to if you're in court and you don't

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<v Speaker 1>interimpl the judges automatically and there's not guilty for you.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't check any of these boxes, then they

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<v Speaker 1>automatically put it on privacy where you don't share it

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<v Speaker 1>with anyone in any degree. And again you can have

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing deleted and your tests destroyed if that's

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<v Speaker 1>what you want. Hey, you know what another thing I

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<v Speaker 1>found out? This is so crazy, then I am wait

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<v Speaker 1>for it, Jackie, wait for it. More likely to experience

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<v Speaker 1>here photo bleaching, which means that when you out in

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<v Speaker 1>the sun, your hair turns blonder. See. I told you

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<v Speaker 1>this was natural, and you didn't believe me. You kept saying,

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<v Speaker 1>who did your hair? Or who did not do your hair?

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<v Speaker 1>Can't han't, can't go do your hair. See it's all

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<v Speaker 1>because of the sun. This is natural, right? How do

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<v Speaker 1>they know that? Can Alice or Stacy tell me that

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<v Speaker 1>that is? That is very similar to you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>fear of heights, um, you know, fear of public speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>like preferences like you know, whether you prefer chocolate or

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<v Speaker 1>vanilla ice cream? All of that is you know, comparing

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<v Speaker 1>the DNA as people who who say their hair gets

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<v Speaker 1>lighter in the sun to people whose hair doesn't get

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<v Speaker 1>lighter in the sun, and finding these little places that

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<v Speaker 1>are are different between people who have those different experiences,

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<v Speaker 1>and then again being able to report back to you

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<v Speaker 1>based on your DNA you might be more likely to

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<v Speaker 1>have that hair photo bliefing happen. Listen to this, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what you can learn. Are you prone to

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<v Speaker 1>type two diabetes? If so, what can you do about it?

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<v Speaker 1>Im macular degeneration? What can David and Lucy do about it?

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<v Speaker 1>I found out that I was more acutely, I have

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<v Speaker 1>a more acute odor detection, which is really interesting. Jackie

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<v Speaker 1>Karen start. Remember after COVID, both John, David and I

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<v Speaker 1>lost a sense of smell, and um I first tested

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<v Speaker 1>about midnight. We were up watching Elf, the Christmas movie,

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<v Speaker 1>and um I realized I couldn't smell Lucy's cookie shoes making,

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<v Speaker 1>and we went and stuck our noses in the coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>Couldn't smell it. We finally the Ultimate Desk got two

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<v Speaker 1>sharpies and stuck them up our nostrils. Couldn't smell a thing,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, okay, we've lost our sense of smell.

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<v Speaker 1>Now listen to this Karen start over. A year later,

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<v Speaker 1>I think my mother smells funny. Then I thought my

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<v Speaker 1>friend who often comes on our program when a rockwell

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<v Speaker 1>smelled funny, same smell, Jackie. Sadly, I also thought you

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<v Speaker 1>smelled funny. Finally, finally I thought, how can all these

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<v Speaker 1>three people smell like blee? It's me. I went to

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<v Speaker 1>the doctor and it was a result, weird result of

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<v Speaker 1>COVID having lost my smell. And now I find out

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<v Speaker 1>through twenty three and me I have increased odor detection,

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<v Speaker 1>more likely to match a musical pitch boy. I wish

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<v Speaker 1>David had gotten that one. UM fear of high fear

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<v Speaker 1>of public speaking. And you learn about these things in

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<v Speaker 1>order to work on them and maybe even correct them. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>It talks about possibility of chronic kidney disease, the possibility

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<v Speaker 1>of hyper cholesterol, and me cholesterol, Ama, what is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that? Bad cholesterol? What is that? Dr Dupree? Basically

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<v Speaker 1>hyper cholesterol a media hyper cholesterol limia. It is actually

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<v Speaker 1>you have more what they call bad cholesterol or l

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<v Speaker 1>D all the low density, then you do the high density,

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<v Speaker 1>and therefore you are more susceptible to things like stroke,

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<v Speaker 1>hardening of the arteries, um, even heart attack. Well I

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<v Speaker 1>dodged that one, so I guess it's okay to order

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<v Speaker 1>another round of Crispy krans Um. Let's see. Well, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>jump in here shop the end our reports. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>reports specifically on familial hope for cholesteroling you, which is

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<v Speaker 1>an inherited So why did about people have this? And

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<v Speaker 1>so you're typically very early on you have very high cholesterol.

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<v Speaker 1>So unfortunately, most pieces of having a high cholesterol are

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<v Speaker 1>due to and lifestyle. Um. So you know you can't

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<v Speaker 1>go take a while there. Well, so that's an X

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<v Speaker 1>on the own at days. That's a note to the

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<v Speaker 1>doughnuts legal legally as I'm throwing you. I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>say completely not, it's not a total note. Why did okay,

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<v Speaker 1>why does John David have to take his test again?

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<v Speaker 1>I think did? Did? Did he screw it up somehow? Does?

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<v Speaker 1>Why would he have to take his test again? Did

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<v Speaker 1>he not spit enough? This can happen um so often

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<v Speaker 1>it's because you know, like I said, these cells in

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<v Speaker 1>your cheeks, that's what we're looking for, um in your spit.

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<v Speaker 1>So it could be that either there weren't enough cells

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<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason, um that that made it into his

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<v Speaker 1>first fit sample. It could be that, you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>we when we extract the DNA out of those cells,

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<v Speaker 1>that we didn't get enough, or could be that you

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<v Speaker 1>know when we are trying to analyze your DNA, that

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<v Speaker 1>there was there was an error or problem with that analysis.

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<v Speaker 1>But hopefully you know, his experience was that you got

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<v Speaker 1>a second kid was able to give it a second try,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were successful that on that second on the

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<v Speaker 1>second try. I'm trying, but you can't eat or drink

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<v Speaker 1>thirty minutes before, and it's really hard to catch John

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<v Speaker 1>David having not just eating something. So I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>pin him down before he can eat or drink in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning to do spent Yes, Karen Stark, Uh, he's

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<v Speaker 1>six five and a half and he just turned fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, a feeding full of vegetables every night. Last

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<v Speaker 1>night he bought at Raw Carrot's. I don't know why,

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<v Speaker 1>but he did. But I'm working on it. I'm working

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<v Speaker 1>on it. Yes, maybe guys. It's also very easy to

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<v Speaker 1>view online. I don't know how it's gonna be to

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<v Speaker 1>print it off and I make Lucy's um Christmas scroll.

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<v Speaker 1>But and that's not all I'm giving her. I'm giving

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<v Speaker 1>her some other things too, And of course Santa's coming.

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<v Speaker 1>You can delete your account, discard your sample, no one

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<v Speaker 1>can access your information if that's the way you want it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really happy that I took the test. I'm really

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<v Speaker 1>happy that I will be able to answer some of

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<v Speaker 1>Lucy's questions. She's Brettish, she gets some Scandinavian from her father.

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<v Speaker 1>She gets a lot of Irish from me. She and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming since they're twins, John Davis, they're both going

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<v Speaker 1>to have osh Can Nazi jeans within them. Of course

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<v Speaker 1>that opens up to a lot of health issues we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to look into. But now I know, and now

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<v Speaker 1>I can do something about it for them. Um, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just really glad it came in into my wife. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's do round robin. Final thoughts. Dr Michelle Duffrey.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is a wonderful You can actually change

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<v Speaker 1>your lifestyle based on the information that you know and

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<v Speaker 1>have a better life. I help their life. This is great,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it really is. Isn't it great to be

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<v Speaker 1>talking about genetic markers when it's not connected to a crime. Okay, Karen,

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<v Speaker 1>start and jump in. I just think that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I did it, and there was nothing that was frightening.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like if I needed to, I would certainly

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<v Speaker 1>consult you're the doctor or a genetic council. But there

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot of things. There were things I said

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<v Speaker 1>that that we're fun, like the chocolate or the vanilla,

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<v Speaker 1>because my whole family likes vanilla and people are like, what,

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<v Speaker 1>no chocolate? It was really a lot of fun to

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<v Speaker 1>get that information. What about it? Alisa Lehman joining me

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<v Speaker 1>PhD seeing you manage your products science at twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>and me, I mean, I think it's great to hear

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<v Speaker 1>the good experiences that people are having, and it's exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what we want, as you know, a starting point stirt

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<v Speaker 1>your journey, either with your ancestry or with your health.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, take this and and make good choices going

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<v Speaker 1>forward and to Stacy while or maybe this is to

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<v Speaker 1>at least I'm not sure who would feel this. But

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<v Speaker 1>we almost didn't do it, And I'll tell you why.

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<v Speaker 1>When I said, hey, Twins, you want to do twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three and me after I told him what it was,

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<v Speaker 1>John Davis said no, Mom, because I don't want my

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<v Speaker 1>great great grandson to be busted on a felony because

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<v Speaker 1>I gave a DNA sample And I almost said, where

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<v Speaker 1>did you hear that? And then of course I need

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<v Speaker 1>where he heard it from me? Okay talking about it

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<v Speaker 1>ancestral family trees, and I just want to point out

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<v Speaker 1>to Allay my son John David's fears. Twenty three and

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<v Speaker 1>me has never once handed out information to law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 1>And again they give you the option if you want

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<v Speaker 1>your test destroyed, It's destroyed when you say do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Stacy Detwiler final thoughts. You know, I think our mission

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<v Speaker 1>this was people to access, understand and benefit from this information.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's so great to hear UM that it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like we've done that. We are all about the heart right.

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<v Speaker 1>This is your information. You have access to learn so

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<v Speaker 1>much from it, Um and inspire you to make the

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<v Speaker 1>positions that are going to lead to that longer have

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<v Speaker 1>to healthier life what we want. I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>say thank you to twenty three and me UM for

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<v Speaker 1>all the questions you've answered, and I will let you

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<v Speaker 1>know how Lucy response on Christmas morning. Thanks guys, goodbye friends,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's it. On another dope show. Did this episode

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<v Speaker 1>inspire you to take a closer look at your health history,

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<v Speaker 1>your genetic makeup. Who new DNA could reveal so much

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<v Speaker 1>about our past while also holding the keys to certain

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<v Speaker 1>health insights that may impact our future. I continue to

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<v Speaker 1>be inspired by these stories, and I hope you do

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Catch you next time. Listen to Spit, an

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