1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Ron Anian, we are changing the way we approach cars, 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: both in their design and the way we think about 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: the the car Doctor, are we going to drive at night? 4 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: It's basically an electric car. And then you have a 5 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: generation system on top of the car, so you have 6 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: your solar calls on to so as your battery technology 7 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: continues to advance, you know you're gonna be seeing larger 8 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: and larger range out of the vehicle. Welcome to the 9 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 1: radio home of Ron and Nanian the Car Doctor. Since 10 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: this is where car owners the world overturned to for 11 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving 12 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: you a busy signal, pick up the phone and call 13 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: in the garage to orders are open, but I am 14 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: here to take your call at eight five five six 15 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: and now running. Hey, welcome, start your engines eight five 16 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: five five zero nine zero zero. The car Doctors here 17 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: cooking along brought any in the car Doctor, the one 18 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: and only Offen imitating never duplicated. As we sit here 19 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: to motorad across this great country of ours, I've noticed 20 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,559 Speaker 1: that if you noticed that that there are a lot 21 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: of car doctor repair shops in the country. Now you 22 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: know we're doing this radio show twenty six years and 23 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: it was never the name of the shop, but it 24 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: just you know, you're the doctor, you're the car doctor. 25 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: That that's how the name kind of took thirty years ago. 26 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: And I've noticed now there's a bunch of car doctor 27 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: order repair. You start driving around on vacation and all 28 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: of a sudden you see, you know, the card doctor 29 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: or the car doctor auto or you always wonder did 30 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: I create that? I hate to make it sound yes, Tom, 31 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: they say it's the sincerest form of flattery. Well you know, Tom, 32 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: But I just I wonder, Um, there was a car 33 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: doctor ort to repair, I think out in Seattle, somewhere 34 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: in the northwest. And I don't think he was a 35 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: very good car doctor, because boy and I get phone 36 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: calls and mail about that guy. And I said, no, 37 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: you're on the wrong side of the country. It's um, 38 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: completely opposite. And no, it's that he is not I 39 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: and I is not. Hey, um, and go away, go 40 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 1: back and the help the guy that that took your money, 41 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: not me. Um. But it's just it's interesting to see. 42 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: So But anyway, I am here. Um this hour fellas 43 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: this hour we're giving away the Wicks thirty nine. Ford 44 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: Tony has to stop playing with it, all right, it's 45 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 1: time to give it away to a listener. I don't 46 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: care what you tell me, all right, so yeah, alright, good, 47 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: we're in agreement. So we're giving at Which thirty nine 48 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: for hot Rod this hour, um scale model of the 49 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: car that Henry Ford made famous. It is a period 50 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 1: period correct black paint, hup, custom cream red scallops and 51 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: each fender call a coordinated red interior, detailed Ford flathead engine, 52 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: just a real nice collectible piece and we're gonna be 53 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: giving that away this hour. We'll let the promo run 54 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: once more because these guys do a better job of 55 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: describing it than I do. Um. I will give them 56 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: that they did a very nice spot for it this 57 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: week and find more out about the car as well 58 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: as Wicks Filters, the sponsor of it, out at Wicks 59 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: filters dot com. And you know how much we love 60 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: Wicks Filters. We love Wicks Filters. Let's get back to 61 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: Walt from MAUI. We're kind of flying off the handle here, 62 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: or flying by the seat of our pants. Walter, you're 63 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: still there. We held over from the last hour. I've 64 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: done that twice now in the last two months. Cars 65 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: must be getting more complicated. I have to hold people 66 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: over from the top of the hour. Um, So here's 67 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: the deal, Walt. You got your wiring diagram in front 68 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: of you by chance? Yes? I do? Okay, look at 69 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: the wintering diagram if I recall correctly, about the middle 70 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: of the page. They talk about the central control module, 71 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: all right, and then there was a great black wire there, correct, 72 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: coming off, coming off the one side of the central 73 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: control module. That is the output feed from the control 74 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: module to ground the courtesy lamp. Really you see how 75 00:03:54,920 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: that goes up and feeds that Yes, all right of 76 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: left end right right? Correct? Right? So if we were 77 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: too in theory, disconnect that gray black from the control module, 78 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: all right, and provide a ground to energize the relay. 79 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: The light should come on correct, Yes, okay, have you 80 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: tried that? All right? So I think where you've got 81 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: to go is does the circuit work? And I'm pretty 82 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: sure this will will work. But watch where I'm going 83 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: with this, Um, this should work. You ground that gray 84 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: black disconnected from the module. I don't want to hurt 85 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: the module, all right, and find a place where you 86 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: can snip it. I snip wires all the time. I 87 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 1: just do it in a nice spot where I can 88 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: solder it back up and heat shrink it and nobody 89 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: will know the difference. All right, But snip that gray 90 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: black ground that gray black, if that gray if that 91 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: relay has got hot coming and off, that fuse that 92 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: I believe is in that circuit, which it is, right, 93 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: look at the diagram. What does it tell you number? Okay, 94 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: If that fuse is good, then both courtesy lamps should light. Agreed. 95 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: I am a little bit confused because if you snip 96 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: that wire, that's oh no, I'm sorry. The power comes 97 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: from the red black right right. So if we at 98 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: least we prove from the control from the central control 99 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: module out the circuit works and it's capable of functioning. Right, Yes, 100 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: we're in agreement. Okay, so then we we know that's good. 101 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: Then go to the central control module. All right. If 102 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: the assauta your wire back together, go to your central 103 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: control module. Take your right door input. If I recall 104 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: there's two inputs to that control module, the left and 105 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: the right door. Right. That's correct ground that right right ground, 106 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: the right door input, the right side. It should come on. 107 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: If you ground that left side input and the door 108 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: and the light doesn't come on. I think you've got 109 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: a bad control module. I don't see anything else it 110 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: can be, yeah, right, you know without doing all the diagnosis. 111 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking also. And the reason I 112 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: was thinking that is that is the hardest part to get, 113 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: too conceivable when the whole car well, yeah, but panel 114 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: behind the steering column. Of course, it would almost be 115 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: as easy to change the wires and the spark plugs. Walter. 116 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: I didn't become a mechanic because I thought it was 117 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: gonna be easy. I you know, it's it's and I 118 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: can almost guarantee you that's going to be the problem 119 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: that's bad, the part that's bad because it is the 120 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: hardest thing to get to, all right. Yeah, I from 121 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: the start I figured that had to be at that 122 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: door switch was way too easy to replace. But but 123 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: here's the diagnosis. Here's the diagnosis that can't miss, right, 124 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: and and and that and that. I'll do it for you, 125 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: all right, Um, same purpose, you know, same purpose. I mean, 126 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: that's that's really what that does. You can do the 127 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: same thing. You can go out and work through the 128 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: hatch and jar. If I Remember there's a hatchet jar 129 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: signal there, and you can learn how this module works. Right, 130 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: but at this point, but they all come out of 131 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: the control module, right, they all come out of the 132 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: control module, all right. And and here's the catch. The 133 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: way that module knows to turn on um, the the 134 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: the left signal or the right. Now, wait a minute, 135 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: let me back up a second here. How does it know? Okay, well, 136 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: when you open the left door, both lights have to 137 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: come on. When you open the right door, both lights 138 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: have to come on. Correct, Okay, that's how it knows. 139 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: That's how it reacts, right, and the switch provides the 140 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: ground right, Okay, you have mean got me a little 141 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: confused there for a second, Walter. So yeah, that's that's 142 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: how you're gonna know. It's got to work from the 143 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: left input. If it doesn't work from the left input 144 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: and you've proved everything else to work, then you've got 145 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: a bed. You've got a bad control module. Alright, Well, 146 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Now I can I can tell you something. 147 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: I'll make it happier. Ten years later, by two thousand five, 148 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: we can do all this with a scan tool. We 149 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: don't need to do half this stuff. The scant the 150 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: scant will turn the lights on and off and and 151 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: and do all the inputs and all the requests and 152 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: um everything else. So unfortunately, brother, that's where you gotta go. 153 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: Now if you want to get something, I was just 154 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: gonna say that, I'm I've got to have everything work 155 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: on the core. I get it now. Listen, if if 156 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 1: you would just at least fly us out there and 157 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: put us up for what do you want two weeks 158 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: in Hawaii? Boys, Tony says he'll take two weeks. He 159 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: wants to work on his tan and we can. We can. 160 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: We'll be glad. It'll only take us probably take us 161 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: to three weeks to fix this car. I'm sure, Um, 162 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: I might take us lower than well, you never know 163 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: what we're gonna break along the way. But uh, that's 164 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: that's how it's you know, hey, listen, I'll tell you 165 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: what the biggest problem facing car repairs of the future is. 166 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: After that car is three four years old, all the 167 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: little plastic and clips and all the things that you 168 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: try not to break and you touch it. I had 169 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: to put it and then I'm gonna go after this, Walter. 170 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: I had to put a power doorlock actually, or in 171 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: a two thousand two four Thunderbird this week. And it's 172 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: it's not that it's any different. It's to me it's 173 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: a car as a car, but you know it's a 174 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: it's a t bird, man. It's it's it's cool, it's different. 175 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: You gotta be a little little t LC, right. I 176 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: I take I'm taking the door panel off. I I 177 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: lift out the little rubber pad. I put the Philip 178 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: screwdriver on top of the screw and I turn it 179 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: and the whole thing falls right in the door. I 180 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: didn't even put any weight on it, and I just 181 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: sat there looking going where the hell did it go? 182 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: The guy who took it apart before me, the body 183 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: shop just snockered it back together. Snocker is a technical term. 184 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: It's an industry standard, and it just they you know, 185 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: I had to take the door panel apart, and I 186 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: found all the pieces and I apoxied it back together. 187 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: And you know that's you know, the car was talking 188 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: to me afterwards. It was happy I fixed its soul. 189 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: But you know that stuff happens so professional tech, because 190 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: that's kind of stuff happens to me all the time. 191 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: And I think it's because I'm in a listen and 192 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: You're probably just as professional as the rest of us, 193 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: because you're as professional as me. Because I guarantee you 194 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: you would have fixed it just like I did. That's 195 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: what makes the professional. You know what, any idiot can 196 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: break something. Fixing that's a whole another story. Yes, sir, 197 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: the egg came first, that came from the reptiles. Is 198 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: that what happened? Well, well, it sounds like a conversation 199 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: to be had on a on a on a on 200 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 1: a Hawaiian beach late at night, watching the sunset over 201 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 1: a couple of adult beverages. Walter, I gotta go and 202 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: running late. Um, you replace your central control module when 203 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 1: you get done, call me next year. Zero zero. The 204 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: car doctors coming right back. Don't go away, Hey, welcome back. 205 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: Any of the car doctor rolling along this hour talking 206 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: about cars and everything else? A zero nine nine zero zero. 207 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: Always fun to talk to. Walt. Walt's been a long 208 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: time radio show listener, and we appreciate him being there 209 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: and taking part in all this. And um, we want 210 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 1: to go to Hawaii, Walter, please bring us out there 211 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: on remote. We think it would be nice. And um, 212 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: I promised Tony. I took Tony to Vegas two years ago, 213 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna tak thembout why that's going to be next. Um. 214 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: So it's interesting someone sent me an article and I 215 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: forget where this came from. I think maybe this came 216 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: from let's say this came from Richard Smith up there 217 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: in glaston Borough, Connecticut about Carl icon car. Carl Icon 218 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: is raising his bet that Americans won't fix their own 219 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: cars and then eventually meant and even own one. Mr 220 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: Icon has spent the past few years making deals and 221 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: that it's extending his automotive service network nationwide. Is increasingly complex, 222 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: cars have their owners relying more on professionals for repairs. 223 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: This is an article out of the Wall Street Journal 224 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: Business and Finance section about three weeks ago, um, and 225 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: it basically talks about how Mr icons icons goal is 226 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: to build a company with nationwide reach that can make 227 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: selling install parts, having recently bought parts and repair change 228 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 1: pep Boys and jest Breaks, as well as auto parts 229 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: distributors Auto Plus. He also took parts maker Federal Mogul 230 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: private earlier this year, after owning a significant stake for 231 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: a decade. Here's what I think is gonna go wrong here? 232 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: All right? Um, you know, trying to standardize auto repair 233 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: is difficult because one of the problems is it takes 234 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: talent and glass Berry. Tom's telling me not glass Barrel. 235 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: Sorry Tom, it's glass Berry, Connecticut. My apologies. Um, I 236 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: couldn't read here in the dark. It's dark in the studio. 237 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: Don't give be enough light. And one of the problems 238 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: with auto repair is it takes talent to do it. Yeah, 239 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: you know what. You can standardize it, and you can 240 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: try and do it like a chain store for lack 241 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: of northern way to say it, and it works the 242 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: generic everyday stuff. The problem is the generic everyday stuff 243 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: is going away and the unique problems that cars create 244 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: are becoming more commonplace. And it takes some skill, it 245 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: takes some thought, and it takes a lot of effort. 246 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: And I don't know that a goal like this, a 247 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 1: national service network such as this, is going to last 248 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: long term. I see cars downgrading in a sense in 249 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: terms of the problems are going to either be simple 250 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: or complicated. There's gonna be nothing in the middle anymore. 251 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: And maybe they can do the simple with this kind 252 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: of an idea. But when people have the complicated and 253 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: they need complicated, I don't see them being very happy. 254 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: Somebody was telling me just the other day that some 255 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 1: of the change stores are no longer servicing the new refrigerant. 256 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 1: We haven't we really haven't talked about that here on 257 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,359 Speaker 1: the show, but one two, three, four c y F refrigerant, 258 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: the new style refrigerant that's out in certain cars and 259 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: coming out more and more. Certain car companies, certain chains 260 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: such as what Mr Icon is, I can Icon whatever 261 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: his name is, UM is talking about here, Carl, we'll 262 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: call him Carl, UM is talking about here. They're not 263 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: dealing with certain things like that because of the cost factor. 264 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: And that's the problem. When you start to run a 265 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: repair shop to this level and you take the personalization 266 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: out of it, some people are looking for it. I 267 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: think you become like a customer at the deli counter 268 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: and you're just a number. And I don't think going 269 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: forward people are looking for that. I think people want 270 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: to be a name and a repair shop environment. UM, 271 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: at least the ones I want to work for. You 272 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: know what, I want to work for people that they 273 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: you know, I know their name, I know what the 274 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: car is, and UM, I know what's going on. Because 275 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: I think that that UM Cars are a very personal thing, 276 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: and I don't know that we're gonna get away from 277 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: that anytime soon. I agree with the article where it 278 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: says cars are gonna be very costly to own. Yeah, 279 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: I get that, and they're gonna be very difficult to repair. 280 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: I get that. I live that every day. But taking 281 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: the personalization out of it, I don't think you can 282 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: do it. Let's get over and talk to Mike Dennella, 283 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: New Jersey, and Mike's some comments on a recent article 284 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: in MotorWeek. Michael, welcome back to the card. Sorry, yes, sir, 285 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: what's going on? One comment if I can, about the 286 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: icon article. Yeah, that it's it's okay if you want 287 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: to do a you know, quick oil change or something 288 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: like that. But I think for a personalized service, you've 289 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: got to come to guys like you who really care 290 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: and who want to put the time and the effort 291 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: and the fact that you want to get to know 292 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: the customer well. And I think I think the time 293 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: and the effort thing is is a big part of it. 294 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: You know. I just looked at and I don't know 295 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: that I'm gonna go to it yet, but I'm I'm 296 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: doing some automation in the shop. I'm making some software 297 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: changes and adds add ons to my Mitchell Manager program. 298 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: And one of the one of the add ons I 299 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: looked at is a digital checklist that will allow me 300 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: to take inspections. You know, so I'm doing a checklist 301 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: on a car. I can take pictures and I can 302 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: send you, Hey, Michael, here's what your air filter looks like. 303 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: Here's what your water pump leaking looks like. You know 304 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. I don't think that's a good idea. 305 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: I think it's a good idea to a degree. But 306 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: I think if I said to you, hey, Michael, here's 307 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: what this looks like, I think you're gonna say, Ron, 308 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: I really don't care. You're a mechanic, and I trust 309 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: you because I have a relationship with you, agreed. And 310 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: most people don't even know the from the hood from 311 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: the trunk of the crust, so we won't even go there. 312 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: And I think maybe in the chain stores something like 313 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: that works because they don't get to talk to the 314 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: tech that's actually working on it, and that's what makes 315 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: people nervous. Well, you know what a good point about 316 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: that is. And then I'll get to my point. If 317 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: you go to some of these, uh, I don't know 318 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: which you would call them, change stores, I guess, and 319 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: they say, oh you have this is bad, and that's 320 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: bad and the other things bad. Uh. Like one particular 321 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: store sees a pair of weak struts and they say, oh, 322 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: your your bearings have to be replaced. Your ball joints 323 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: are shot too, and they stack up about four hundred 324 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: ninety dollars worth of repair and you have no way 325 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: of proving it. This would be a good way of 326 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: doing that. Yes, absolutely, But but I will tell you this, Michael, 327 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: and un lets you go on to a point in 328 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: that you know what I see, less and less strut, 329 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: exhaust and general maintenance each and every understand it's getting 330 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: to be less and less and less. To your point, sir, 331 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: My point is I was reading an article in MotorWeek 332 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: and Pat gosss the mechanic and he puts a little 333 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: section in his uh thing. Every week I get on 334 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: a newsletter, and last week I found the interesting point 335 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: of a catalytic converter that's destroying itself from the inside 336 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: and pieces of its fracture and they may end up 337 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: in your engine. And uh. Some people do not check 338 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: that light when the light comes on and says your 339 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: cat is bad. So they may have a pre cat 340 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: up near the manifold and catalytic converters in the back too, 341 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: so when they disintegrate, some of the stuff gets sucks 342 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: in and and if they don't check it in time, 343 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: pieces of the uh INN just go into your engine 344 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: and may destroy pistons and stuff like that. Right, And 345 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: I think I think the vehicles you're referencing, Michael, are 346 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: the Nissan's. Nissan had that problem. A couple of the 347 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: manufacturers have had that problem. Um, you know the issues are. 348 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: It's all about exhaust reversion and how the catalytic converters 349 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: break up. But keep in mind, catalytic converters break up. 350 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's because of age, but sometimes it's also because 351 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 1: of engine operating conditions, which is why it's so important 352 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: to take a real good care of the engine. Appreciate 353 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 1: the call. I'm I'm naming the car Doctor. We are 354 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: a path right after this ron named the car Doctor. 355 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: Harry five five five zero nine zero zero. Let's get 356 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: over and talk to Let's go talk to Larry Lewis 357 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: to Idaho. Larry, Welcome to the Car Doctor, Sir, How 358 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: can I help. Thank you, ron Uh, I've been listening 359 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: for a while. Enjoy your program, appreciate it. Thank you 360 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: very much. Hey, I've got a Ford F three fifty. 361 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: It's seven three turbo diesel power. Yes, And you've been 362 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: talking about the launch Tech code readers. I was wondering 363 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: if most of the code readers that i'm I'm I've 364 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: been looking at says and Newer and I didn't know 365 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: whether or not it's got the O b D two 366 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:36,239 Speaker 1: hook up under my dash for this, I didn't know 367 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: if they were compatible with or not. The answer is definite. 368 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, and ninety six are there really tough years 369 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: on anything vehicle manufacturer. It doesn't matter what diesel, gas, 370 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: go kart, you know, um, whatever it is. And you know, 371 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: if if if I was the crossover year nineties six 372 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: was you know, sort of like the step child and 373 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: a half twice removed. Uh, You're never you're never quite 374 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: sure what's gonna be there. You know, what's O b 375 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: D two, what's O b D one? So the first 376 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: thing you've got to do is figure out what what 377 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: that operating system is. So you know, if you look 378 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: under the dash and you see an O B D 379 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 1: two connector. That doesn't necessarily mean that the truck is 380 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: O b D two. What you've what you've really got 381 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: to do because some of those were some of the 382 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: vehicles I've found. You know, originally that O B D 383 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: two connector was was you know, a L d L 384 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: assembly line diagnostic link. It was used to assemble the truck, 385 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: you know, when the manufacturer put it together. So you know, 386 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: it may have an a L d L or an 387 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: O b D two link as we now call it, 388 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: but it doesn't do anything other than something for the 389 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: manufacturer on assembly. Sometimes it's there is a true O 390 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 1: b D two connector, so you know, and you look 391 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: around the engine compartment and maybe on the left or 392 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 1: right side you'll see the red connector shaped like a um, 393 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: like half an octagon, I think is a good way 394 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: to describe it. It's got the Chamford edges and that 395 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: would be the ford Eek one or the ford Eek 396 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: four first O B D say, here's where we go, 397 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: uh ford Eek four O B D one style connector. 398 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: All right, But the best way to tell what a 399 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: vehicle has on it is what is the underhood A 400 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: mission decal say, and if you if your vehicle still 401 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: has the underhood a mission decal, you know, lift the 402 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: hood that white label read it. What does that say? 403 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: That should tell you this vehicle complies with federal e 404 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: p A mandate blah blah blah blah blah. And it 405 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: will probably say oh b D one or O B 406 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: D two or at least give you a reference or 407 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: somewhere on the vehicle there will be a calibration code 408 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: that corresponds to Okay, this correlation means that this vehicle 409 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: is one or two, all right, so you know it's 410 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: ninety six. I've never found an absolution in terms of 411 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: you know, what's right and what's not. I've had to 412 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: One was early, one was late, one had it, one 413 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: didn't sure, you know, and you get into that, uh, 414 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: you know, if you determine that your vehicle is O 415 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: B D two, what I look at Launch, Yeah, I'd 416 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: look at Launch. I'd probably looked because the vehicle is 417 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: old enough, alright. And here's what you have to remember, 418 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: all right, not knocking launch. I like the tool, all right, 419 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: but their focus is you know, let me say it 420 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: like this. Do you think launch and snap on an 421 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: O T C. Do you think their focus is going 422 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: to be on three fifties or oneteen is going forward. 423 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: You know there's gonna be more of those on the 424 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: road than three fifty seven three power stroke diesels. Exactly so, 425 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: And I guess my my second question to it, uh Ron, 426 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: is I have an O four Explorer with the four 427 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: six and then No. One one f one fifty with 428 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: the five four, And so I was into looking before 429 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: I purchased one, to make sure that what I purchased 430 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: is compatible, you know, to the older Um right, I 431 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 1: can say, I guess the old one sixteen and then 432 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: the old four is thirteen years old. So so you've 433 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: got a sixteen and oh one and I've got and 434 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: oh four and an oh one. Okay, Okay, got you. 435 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: So why don't we before we do anything, why don't 436 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: we get up on eBay and and look and see 437 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: what's available, come up with a price range thousand bucks 438 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: five bucks, and see what a repair shop might be 439 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,959 Speaker 1: getting rid of. You know, maybe they've got a used 440 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:49,479 Speaker 1: Modus or a used OTC Genesis, or maybe you know, 441 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: something that doesn't necessarily fit their needs because the older 442 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: population is dying off in terms of cars, and they're 443 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: trying to you know something new. I mean, listen, I'm 444 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: trying to clear out shelf space all the time at 445 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: the shop. Uh, you know, and it it becomes a 446 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 1: case of uh um, you know. You find that that 447 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: that older tool, you put it out on eBay, you 448 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: get rid of it and then pick up the newer 449 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: one and maybe that'll solve the problem for you. But 450 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 1: first things first, you gotta find out what you know, 451 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: what your system is, and that's your first piece of homework. 452 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: All right, sir, Well, thank you so much. I'll tell 453 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: you what Larry, sit on the phone. Tom just gave 454 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: me the thumbs up. Tom, would you go ahead? Yes, Larry, 455 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna be sending out the thirty nine Ford from 456 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: the folks at Wis to you. We figured you can 457 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: add that to your collection. This way, you can have 458 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: four cars, but you can only drive on three of them. Um. 459 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: It's You're very welcome, sir. It's a one eighteen scale 460 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: thirty nine Ford coupe um, a very nice piece of 461 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: very nice collectible from the folks at Wicks. Keep in mind, 462 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: for seventy five years works is protecting engines and going 463 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: forward and we want to thank them for that. We 464 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: want to thank them for making this little hot road 465 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: car available more information at wiks filters dot com. Larry, 466 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: you enjoy your car, Stay on the line and talk 467 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: to Tom. Let's get over to Allen and Lacrosse, Wisconsin 468 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 1: GMC Canyon and the questions on a security system. Allen, 469 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to the car doctor. Sure, how can I help? Well? Great? Uh, 470 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: I have a problem with the security system on my 471 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: two thousand twelve Canyon. UH. Periodically will not start. The 472 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: vehicle will not start, and I'm glad to believe it's 473 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: the security system. I went through and did a test 474 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: on the security system, you know, manly opening the door 475 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: window up, arming the system with the remote, and then 476 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: opening the door with opening the lock up first on 477 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: the inside and then opening the door. The horn sounds. 478 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: The vehicle will not start. But my problem is occasionally 479 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 1: I will get in the vehicle after opening it up 480 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 1: with the remote, or the doors are not even locked. 481 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: Uh was sitting in my driveway or you know, UH 482 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,479 Speaker 1: at the grocery store. You know, I just ran in 483 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: for something, I didn't lock the vehicle, and I'll jump 484 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: in the vehicle and it won't start. The horn does 485 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: not go off like the security system engages, but the UM, 486 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: the light on the instrument panel uh tells me that 487 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: the antisept system has been triggered. UM. And even with 488 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: the factory key, UM, it doesn't start. Nobody had that 489 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: happened time after time, And it always happens when I'm 490 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: kind of in a curry, when I'm jumping in quick 491 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: and I can't figure out why it's doing it any 492 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: any any um Uh troll codes? Anybody scanned this at all? Yes, yes, 493 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: there's been a scan, but there there's no codes that 494 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: came up. UM. And I've had it into three dealers 495 00:26:55,480 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: and uh, all three dealers. You know. Uh they brought 496 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: it down to a well at first because of what 497 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: the vehicle used. Uh, it must be the battery. Well 498 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: then you know, we putting new battery in, and the 499 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: battery a good but they insisted putting new battery in 500 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: at the next dealer. Ship U. Then it was the 501 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: starter and you know, UM, no, no, no, no, no, no, 502 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: no listen, um, the the next time it happens. What 503 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 1: I'm what I'm looking for is I'm looking for a 504 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: code B as in boy zero six eight seven, alright, 505 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: which is a fault in the body computer So that's 506 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: my other question. When they scan there, so they're looking 507 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 1: at what was the quote? Again, I'm betting there's gonna 508 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: be a B as in Boy zero six eight seven, 509 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: which is a fault in the security system circuit, all right, 510 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: And I'm questioning when they did the code scan, did 511 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 1: they look in the PCM, meaning the powertrain control module? 512 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 1: Did they look just with O b D two as 513 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: far as the skin or the they do, You'll never 514 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: see it, absolutely never see it. All right, Um, the 515 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: best way, and I'm gonna I just want to revisit 516 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: this real quick. The difference between O b D two 517 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: and General Motors Software. All right. There there's two operating 518 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: systems in every car, just like there's two operating systems 519 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,479 Speaker 1: on your car. On your desktop computer, you might have 520 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 1: Windows ten. That's your operating system. That's General Motors software, 521 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: all right. But Norton anti virus or or you know, 522 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: a VG anti virus, that's O b D two, the 523 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: anti virus or the the The O b D two 524 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: is watching the manufacturer software to tell us when something 525 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: is out of compliance with emissions, if the emissions are 526 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: too high, all right. That's what the federal law states. 527 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: When federal emissions exceed one and a half times the 528 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: legal limit. Long story short, if the car doesn't start, 529 00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: are the emission is going to exceed one and I 530 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: have times the legal limit? No, right, because he's not 531 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: putting out anything, so they don't need to have any 532 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: information in O B D two. Hey, Alan's car didn't start. 533 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: That information is going to be under manufacturer specific that's 534 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: gonna be in the bc M. All right. It's it's 535 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: coming down to, you know, and the older we get. 536 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: We're supposed to go to the doctor and get a 537 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: physical once a year. Right, it's coming down to where 538 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: once a year every car needs a full system scan 539 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: on the manufacturer software side to look at everything. I'm 540 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: willing to bet there's gonna be a be as in 541 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: Boy zero six eight seven in this car that tells 542 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: me that somewhere along the way the theft, the current 543 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: module didn't agree and didn't send proper signal to the PCM, 544 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: the powertrain control module. If you can catch this in 545 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: the act using using a proper scan tool, you want 546 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: to look at a pit a piece of information that 547 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: called crank request all right, In other words, did the 548 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: PCM request yes or no? Crank. If it says no, UM, 549 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: then chances are doing a logic reset, disconnecting the battery 550 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: and things like that may help the situation temporarily, but 551 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: if it happens on a continuous basis, there may be 552 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: a problem with the THEMP to turn control module itself. UM. 553 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: Last piece of information, make sure this vehicle is flashed 554 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: to the latest software meeting. All the operating modules have 555 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: the latest software as per the manufacturer, just to eliminate 556 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: the possibility of a software glitch causing this as well. 557 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: All right, sir, okay, yes, and yes, would that have 558 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: anything to do with the door locked, uh malfunctioning? Very well, yes, 559 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, all this is all this is tied 560 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: together through the security system. Absolutely, okay, because I've had 561 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: a problem with the door locks, let's let's take let's 562 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: take right, well, let's take them one step at a 563 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: time before we know if the theft, if the theft 564 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: module has a fault and that's what's locking the vehicle, 565 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: then yeah, that will that will do it for you. 566 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: But let's one step at a time. Let's get a 567 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: system scan all the modules and then give me a 568 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: call back next week if you find something. Eight five 569 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: zero nine zero zero, Ron Nating the car Doctor will 570 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: be back right after this. Hey, welcome back. Run name 571 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: the card doctorates five five zero nine nine zero zero. 572 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: By the way, that is the car doctor seven phone number. 573 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: I should point that out and make you aware that 574 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: that phone number if you call eight five five five 575 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: zero nine zero zero. Tom Ray, our executive producer, are 576 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: illustrious executive producer who, by the way, appreciates lunch each 577 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: and every day and never complains about the sandwich that 578 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: I give him. It's very refreshing. And we'll actually call 579 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: you back and get you in lineup in queue for 580 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: next week's live broadcast. Yes, Tom, you may kiss the 581 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: ring after the show. Well, I appreciate it, sir. It's 582 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: them you do a heck of a job each and 583 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: every week. By the way, last week when you swept up, 584 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: you missed the spot. Um. So anyway, that's what ZO 585 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: nine zero zero is all about. Um real quick. So 586 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: you know, over the years, this radio show has been 587 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: accused of being too technical and two over the top 588 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: and too difficult to understand at times. And I get that, 589 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: all right, that's what ought to repair is So I 590 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: am going to gently try to start talking about the 591 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,959 Speaker 1: next topic and see if we can generate some interest 592 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: and maybe some basic level And I'll try and keep 593 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: this simple. I want to talk about volumetric efficiency. Volumetric 594 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: efficiency is a measurement of Here, let me see if 595 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: I can give an example. Tony pick up the mic, 596 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: all right, Tony breathe in, okay, if we can measure 597 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: how much air. And Tony is a big guy. If 598 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: we could measure how much air Tony could draw in, 599 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: we would be during his volumetric efficiency. All right. The 600 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: fact that he's a big, barry white looking guy, it's 601 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: you know, that's okay too, because he's kind of cute. 602 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: So the purpose of volumetric efficiency testing is to determine 603 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: is the fault that the vehicle is having? Is it mechanical? 604 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: Is it fuel related? Is it ignition? Where's the problem? 605 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: A couple of things that you're gonna look at with 606 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: your scantl I'm gonna post this formula up on Facebook. 607 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: I've got to get permission from the folks over at Bosch, 608 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: and I know they'll give it to me, So I'm 609 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: gonna stick my neck out and say we'll put this 610 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: up on Facebook. Basically, we need to look at mass 611 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: airflow in grahams per second. We want to look at 612 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: intake air attempt. We want to look at our PM 613 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: all right, and we want to have the ability to 614 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: make sure we want to make sure the engines at 615 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: operating speed. We've got to find an area to do 616 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: a road test. And basically you're going to go and 617 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: do a wide open throttle road test, deserted road, somewhere 618 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: on the side, someplace you know, not near anybody, and 619 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: you're gonna actually measure where you're calculated load goes. In 620 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: terms of volumetric efficiency, you should see seventy five to 621 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: seventy five is low. Some of the testing I've been 622 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: doing of late gives me most a good engine known 623 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: good eight five. Once in a while you get on. UM. 624 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: We had a vehicle the other day with a restricted 625 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: exhaust that led us to some very interesting results. Let's 626 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: pull over and take a pause. Eight zero zero will 627 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: be back right after this. Hey, welcome back on any 628 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: of the Carnocult's real quicket into it. Let's go over 629 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: to Clydesdale in Michigan, UM and see what's going on. 630 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: I got about forty five second Clyde what's going on? 631 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: I got ready, Yeah, I'm ready, sir, Yeah, I got 632 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: a time. It's uh Cambridge the time, and the time 633 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: is Procket that don't have a mob on the time 634 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: of those pockets? Well once to the client shaf um. 635 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 1: Yeah it does. If you look on the outer face 636 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: of the crank, it's a real fine mark. It's almost 637 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: like a hacks All blade mark, all right, like it's 638 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: it's it's not easy to see a real thin mark. 639 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: Look for the key way and look at about the 640 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: one thirty marker. I'm sorry, the two o'clock mark. Opposite 641 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: the key way. There'll be a real tiny slot there, 642 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: a little bit bigger than the other, but it's there, 643 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 1: clean away the dirt, and I'm sure you'll see it. 644 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: That's all I got time for. I'm run. Any of 645 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:33,720 Speaker 1: the car doctor mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See