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Speaker 1: Y'all, This is Guess It, Episode fifty four of Native Lampod,
Speaker 1: where we break down all things politics, culture, you name it,
Speaker 1: we got it. We are your hosts. I'm Andrew Gillum.
Speaker 1: I'm joined by my two favorites, Tiffany Cross and Angela Raie.
Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. I hope we're doing well and can't
Speaker 1: wait to get into the show. All right, ladies, so
Speaker 1: what's on your agenda for today? Top of mind? I
Speaker 1: can start by timply saying I know confirmations appointments are
Speaker 1: in the process. I would love, love, love to just
Speaker 1: do a quick, quick and dirty on what are recess appointments,
Speaker 1: how do they happen? And what power does the Congress
Speaker 1: have in the face of threats from Donald Trump?
Speaker 4: What you got to I will have questions for you
Speaker 4: about that. I have a lot of questions about recess appointments,
Speaker 4: but I also want to talk about the idea of
Speaker 4: this biblic quote curriculum being taught in schools. You know,
Speaker 4: in the news this week but there are a lot
Speaker 4: of other states that are trying to push this as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ay, Rob, what's on your mind?
Speaker 5: Where we go from here? I think that we kind
Speaker 5: of left hanging in our last episode if it was
Speaker 5: even necessary to continue the podcast? Should we continue? And
Speaker 5: I think we have a lot of questions out there
Speaker 5: about what we're doing, and I think it's important for
Speaker 5: us to address what we're thinking because I think it
Speaker 5: probably changes by the minute for all of us. So
Speaker 5: that's what I want to talk about today.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, y'all. Well, Lessen, let's get to it
Speaker 1: on the topic of where we go from here. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you bringing that up, Angela, because I was, I'm
Speaker 1: sure as you all were, really just overwhelmed by our community.
Speaker 1: I know that we've all known, and we brag about
Speaker 1: it all the time, how incredible the listeners and viewers
Speaker 1: are of this show and how much of a family
Speaker 1: we feel we have cultivated up to this point. Their
Speaker 1: responses have been incredible, and if you haven't been able
Speaker 1: to check them out, I'd love for us to just
Speaker 1: quickly maybe visit a few of them. Let's see what
Speaker 1: we got.
Speaker 3: Was a good Native lampod once again. I'm Lawrence and
Speaker 3: I'm in Dallas. I want to address the question posed
Speaker 3: at the end of today's episode. I just finished watching.
Speaker 3: I don't think you guys should stop. As a matter
Speaker 3: of fact, I think you have an obligation to continue.
Speaker 3: Three of my friends, and this is very personal to me.
Speaker 3: Three of my friends were not engaged in politics, didn't
Speaker 3: really care about politics. But you know, a couple of
Speaker 3: times we shared a blunt and listened to the Native
Speaker 3: Lamp pod on my balcony. Not only did they get
Speaker 3: registered for this most recent election, but we had all
Speaker 3: kinds of conversations about local politics and they voted. They
Speaker 3: actually voted, and you guys were instrumental in that.
Speaker 6: Love that.
Speaker 3: So, not only do I believe that you should continue
Speaker 3: the podcast, but I believe it's going to be absolutely necessary,
Speaker 3: especially for the next four years, not only instructing people,
Speaker 3: but kind of delivering education when it is obviously much needed.
Speaker 4: I want to hang out with him and his friends.
Speaker 1: On that day, on that day, that other day, were you.
Speaker 5: Running another clip ag or that was that was the
Speaker 5: one you wanted to see? I thought you said run
Speaker 5: a few of them.
Speaker 1: I thought that they had put together a few of them,
Speaker 1: but hearing the diversity.
Speaker 4: Okay, another one.
Speaker 7: Hey guys, it's Don from Houston, Texas, and I just
Speaker 7: finished your episode, the first one post selection that I
Speaker 7: have been frantically waiting on if I'm being honest, and
Speaker 7: in response to your question on whether or not you
Speaker 7: guys should continue the podcast, to put it bluntly, because
Speaker 7: I've already made two videos that are too long. Absolutely hell, Yes,
Speaker 7: we need you. We need the information. We need the
Speaker 7: sensitivity to us, to our culture, to our people, and
Speaker 7: your work that you've done even before this podcast and
Speaker 7: that you continue to do through it is going to
Speaker 7: be in strumental for those of us who are not
Speaker 7: interested in watching cable news, who don't trust the mainstream
Speaker 7: media anymore, who want to know the truth about what
Speaker 7: is happening around us and in our politics. I have shared, you,
Speaker 7: guys with so many people, so many young people who
Speaker 7: just don't have any interest in politics, and.
Speaker 5: They've gotten hooked.
Speaker 7: Regardless if you reach the quote unquote masses, the community
Speaker 7: that is here needs you, and we are fairly or
Speaker 7: unfairly going to lean on you guys for that explanation,
Speaker 7: for that guide, for that conversation that is downright uncomfortable
Speaker 7: at times.
Speaker 1: Wow, wow, y'all. I think, as you know, that's a
Speaker 1: sampling of the many, many, many, not to mention the
Speaker 1: written form comments that have come in. And I really
Speaker 1: what resonates with me, and I'm gonna toss it over
Speaker 1: to you, Angela. Was the obligation part of it? I actually,
Speaker 1: you know, as they say in church, you can say
Speaker 1: amen or out. I have both an amen and an
Speaker 1: ouch in response to that. But I receive I receive
Speaker 1: that appointment, which is you can't bring folks to a
Speaker 1: certain place. And then all of a sudden, you know, like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: you got this because you know, I can't take this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff right now, that there there's an obligatory
Speaker 1: you know, component to this. But I'd love to hear,
Speaker 1: love to hear what's been moving through your mind.
Speaker 5: Here right I am. I'm very emotional. I think that
Speaker 5: I feel the obligation. I feel frustrated, honestly with myself,
Speaker 5: because I spent so much time over the last couple
Speaker 5: of weeks just focusing on the half that I hate
Speaker 5: right now, like the half of the country that I despise,
Speaker 5: and I and and I'm frustrated about that, because you
Speaker 5: don't get understanding through frustration and hate. And I think
Speaker 5: that what I feel guilty about is knowing that there's
Speaker 5: an obligation to a whole other half, you know, of
Speaker 5: the country, and feeling like there has to be a conversation,
Speaker 5: you know, a come to Jesus, as they say, with
Speaker 5: so many people, because we are really not on the
Speaker 5: same page. And I am at a loss at this
Speaker 5: point for how to get there, and so I hate
Speaker 5: I think, you guys know, I'm fiercely competitive over all
Speaker 5: kinds of ridiculous things. But what I really don't like
Speaker 5: to do is I don't mind saying I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't mind admitting I don't know. I hate not
Speaker 5: knowing for an extended period of time and feeling like
Speaker 5: the overwhelm of I don't know where to turn to
Speaker 5: find the answer, right, Like I don't even know if
Speaker 5: at this point people will be honest about their reasons
Speaker 5: for voting for the other side, or if they'll be
Speaker 5: honest about who they really voted for, because they probably
Speaker 5: know us or have seen us and wouldn't feel comfortable
Speaker 5: telling us the truth. So where do you go to solve?
Speaker 5: And I don't know when you're not even confident that
Speaker 5: people will be honest with you, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: And it's like the weight of that. We were in
Speaker 5: our group chat earlier, and I'm sorry if I'm flailing.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to make sense. We were in our group
Speaker 5: chat earlier. And by the way, group chats are not
Speaker 5: triggering to me because I feel like, when are we
Speaker 5: just another echo chamber where we're in our own bubble,
Speaker 5: because now we're all getting off Twitter, because now Twitter
Speaker 5: is going to be the hellscape, and now who are
Speaker 5: we going to talk to beyond our bubbles? Because we
Speaker 5: all think at least similar, maybe not the same, but
Speaker 5: similar Anyway, I degress. My point is we were in
Speaker 5: a group chat earlier and there's this conversation about if
Speaker 5: the Rainbow Coalition essentially is a thing, like are we
Speaker 5: going to all be able to come together as people
Speaker 5: of color and do the damn thing? And the conversation
Speaker 5: was like, no, I don't think it's a thing, and
Speaker 5: I can't lose that hope. Like if we lose that hope,
Speaker 5: we don't have a path, y'all, Like we really don't
Speaker 5: if we cannot figure out how to be in coalition,
Speaker 5: in solidarity on multiple challenges, on multiple fronts, for multiple
Speaker 5: policy issues. We are. We are, Like, there's not a
Speaker 5: nice way for me to say, Dad, sorry, I had
Speaker 5: to custody. There's no other way for me to explain it.
Speaker 5: We are. If there's no coalition, if there is no
Speaker 5: coming together for a larger group, there is no path
Speaker 5: to victory. And I don't want to lose. I don't
Speaker 5: want to lose twos.
Speaker 4: I am well. I just want to say this about
Speaker 4: the coalition building because as you all know, I've talked
Speaker 4: about it on this show and in everything I've done,
Speaker 4: I have believed in the multi racial coalition. I've always
Speaker 4: said I have the Fred Hampton approach, like bring everybody along.
Speaker 4: Unless you know we align, we can win. I want
Speaker 4: to caution us because exit polling data is not the
Speaker 4: most reliable, and we were cautioned in our group chat
Speaker 4: by that. But what I saw was jarring to me
Speaker 4: to see so many people of color align with oppressive
Speaker 4: policies and oppressive issues, and it quite frankly broke my heart.
Speaker 4: And I have been in the throes of re examining
Speaker 4: my entire worldview around it, and I haven't landed in
Speaker 4: a place. So I would love to thumbtack that because
Speaker 4: I think that's something when we have some actual data
Speaker 4: I would love to discuss. Right now, I'm like, don't
Speaker 4: talk to me right now, you know, like, wait until
Speaker 4: I see the data. But I right now, I am
Speaker 4: not building coalitions right now. Right now, I need to
Speaker 4: be in the safety and comfort of my community. And
Speaker 4: I hope, to Angelou's point, that we can get to
Speaker 4: a place and give me a few months. I hope
Speaker 4: we can get to a place where we can lock
Speaker 4: arms and build. I want to say too, though, about
Speaker 4: hating or despising, you know, one half of the country,
Speaker 4: I don't believe it's one half of the country. I
Speaker 4: think we have to consider how many people actually participate
Speaker 4: in the voting process, and so of that small group
Speaker 4: of people, sadly, it's a small percentage of Americans who
Speaker 4: actually vote. Half of that vote, Joseph vote for Donald
Speaker 4: Trump for president. And I'm okay despising them, you know,
Speaker 4: like I and I think Angela, you have give yourself
Speaker 4: some grace in that too. You know, you go through
Speaker 4: your process, your process of grief and emotion and everything
Speaker 4: you're going through. But you know, we cannot always extend
Speaker 4: and all of brain to bigots. We cannot always come
Speaker 4: to an understanding with people who either adopt racist beliefs
Speaker 4: or are okay with racist beliefs. I don't know how
Speaker 4: the two are different. So I just don't have this, uh,
Speaker 4: this desire to understand that half. I don't think I'm
Speaker 4: in a bubble. I try to consume a lot of
Speaker 4: information from right wing outlets as well, not regularly, but
Speaker 4: I think I dealt with white folks long enough and
Speaker 4: know enough white folks that I'm pretty clear on how
Speaker 4: people feel. The people of color piece is something that
Speaker 4: I have curiosity about. So I just am so grateful
Speaker 4: that people do respect and have happily and joyfully joined
Speaker 4: the community that we built here. Like I said, it's
Speaker 4: not a podcast, we built community. I think that's reflected,
Speaker 4: and I think it will be reflected in this political cycle.
Speaker 4: I think we will see we saw a huge spike
Speaker 4: and people tuning in to this episode. We saw a
Speaker 4: huge spike and people who watched our mini pod on
Speaker 4: what happened. I think those numbers will continue to grow
Speaker 4: exponentially because the news media has painfully failed everybody, and
Speaker 4: so people are going to different sources, and so I'm
Speaker 4: I'm honored to share in space with you guys, and
Speaker 4: I take the responsibility very seriously, and so when we
Speaker 4: are here, I want to be sure that we are
Speaker 4: presenting the most clear, accurate information that you guys get
Speaker 4: to hear a diverse perspective. Y'all. See, we don't agree
Speaker 4: on a lot. This is this here I do not
Speaker 4: think is an echo chamber. I think we have very
Speaker 4: different opinions, perspectives, things that we bring, and so I
Speaker 4: just want us to continue to grow personally, professionally, and
Speaker 4: grow our audience in this space. And I'm thankful for
Speaker 4: the thousands, literally thousands of you who reached out to
Speaker 4: us over the past week to let us know what
Speaker 4: what what you meant. And I think it was heard
Speaker 4: from here to iHeart executives and all across what a
Speaker 4: value dischell is, but most importantly, our conversations with you,
Speaker 4: the audience, is what we value the most.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll just quickly say, because I know we didn't
Speaker 1: brightline this as a major topic, but both of what
Speaker 1: you said, both of your perspectives resonated with me. And
Speaker 1: to dive in just real quick with you, Angela, this
Speaker 1: whole idea of not knowing. I've really wrestled with this, like,
Speaker 1: can I be so disconnected from a set of people perspective,
Speaker 1: lived experiences that things still stunned me in the political space,
Speaker 1: which I thought, and I think probably for the three
Speaker 1: of us, we have had, at different points in our
Speaker 1: lives pretty strong commands. And on the other thing that
Speaker 1: has really vexed me is this, you know, the data
Speaker 1: that's showing that you know, we had two million fewer
Speaker 1: Democrats turn out to vote. Independence out performed Democrats. There
Speaker 1: were first more Republicans who voted, second, more independent too voted,
Speaker 1: and third Democrats's that's sun for seed in the history
Speaker 1: of this country. And so part of what I think,
Speaker 1: I hope now I take it as part of our
Speaker 1: responsibility is to deepen into what's going on within our
Speaker 1: own house, what is happening within this space where a
Speaker 1: lot of us sheer ideological family perspective that two many
Speaker 1: of us felt like we had no motivation between twenty
Speaker 1: twenty and to twenty twenty four. The threats weren't clear enough,
Speaker 1: the reality wasn't, you know, bright enough for us to
Speaker 1: even bother to engage the other thing that I didn't.
Speaker 4: Seen enough, you know, I was just saying or not
Speaker 4: seen enough.
Speaker 1: You know, correct. So that's the other way. That's the
Speaker 1: other way too get democracy, meaning where ideologically there's greater
Speaker 1: alignment with this group of people. I think it speaks
Speaker 1: to this whole not Rainbow coalition, but sort of people
Speaker 1: of color coalition, which is you all know, I have
Speaker 1: been very suspect of giving my experience in Florida of
Speaker 1: whether or not that's ever really been a real thing.
Speaker 1: And moreover, my true belief being that power is what
Speaker 1: turns people on people. Once you get access to it,
Speaker 1: your proximity to it makes you begin to otherise, it
Speaker 1: makes you I mean, we had Latinos being interviewed, you know.
Speaker 1: So there's an example of this Latino family where the
Speaker 1: kids were playing with the neighbors. Both of them had
Speaker 1: Trump signs. One family where you know, of Mexican orient
Speaker 1: the other was a white family. And the kid from
Speaker 1: the white family told them, the Mexican child to go
Speaker 1: back to his country, and then the neighbors got into
Speaker 1: a fight, and he thought they were in shared community,
Speaker 1: but in reality they were not in shared community. All
Speaker 1: that being said is there's so much to explore here,
Speaker 1: and I think we've got to in this moment be
Speaker 1: more curious rather than judging of what is happening, and
Speaker 1: that will have to be a choice. You know, it's
Speaker 1: a choice that any of us can mate. But I
Speaker 1: do think that the way forward is going to be curiosity,
Speaker 1: asking some tough questions, being willing to be proven wrong
Speaker 1: or right, or to have a new perspective shown to us.
Speaker 1: That's where I think we kind of are right now.
Speaker 1: But I just want to double down on thank you
Speaker 1: to the listeners. This is a community. We consider us
Speaker 1: fam and family, and I'm looking forward to exploration going forward.
Speaker 1: If I had a word for it, it would it
Speaker 1: would be exploration. You'll, let's take a quick break, and
Speaker 1: when we come back, we're going to hit enough job.
Speaker 4: All right, welcome back, everybody, listen. I know it's all
Speaker 4: we're all still processing how we feel about this. But
Speaker 4: something that while we're paying so much attention to what's
Speaker 4: happening at the federal level, I do want to point
Speaker 4: out something happening at the local level, and that is
Speaker 4: this idea of having biblical curriculum taught in school. This
Speaker 4: was in the news this week because in Texas, the
Speaker 4: Texas State Board of Education advanced a Bible infused curriculum
Speaker 4: that will be optional for schools to way in, but
Speaker 4: there is a financial incentive for schools to start teaching
Speaker 4: a Biblical based curriculum. This comes on the hills. I
Speaker 4: don't want people to think Texas is a loan. This
Speaker 4: comes on the hills from of Oklahoma and Louisiana. In Oklahoma,
Speaker 4: the state superintendent mandated public schools to teach the Bible.
Speaker 4: This is a clear violation of separation of church and state,
Speaker 4: and the superintendent in Oklahoma also announced the creation of
Speaker 4: a new Office of Religious Liberty and Patriotism that will
Speaker 4: be housed within the state's education department. This happened on
Speaker 4: the hills of Louisiana, which is currently litigating a state
Speaker 4: law requiring public classrooms to display the Ten Commandments. This
Speaker 4: is a move that they're also pushing in Texas as well.
Speaker 4: Multiple legal issues here. Aside from the violation and separation
Speaker 4: in church and states, they're also political issu choose. This
Speaker 4: is why there is no off yer election cycles. Take
Speaker 4: a listen to the super intendent in Oklahoma and then
Speaker 4: on the other side of that you're going to hear
Speaker 4: from a woman who is advancing supporting the bill in Texas,
Speaker 4: and I'll address what they say. On the other side.
Speaker 8: Every teacher, every classroom in the state will have a
Speaker 8: Bible in the classroom, and we'll be teaching from the
Speaker 8: Bible in the classroom.
Speaker 9: They serve not only as moral guidelines for the individuals
Speaker 9: and for society, things like do not murder, do not
Speaker 9: commit adultery. These are things that help to create a
Speaker 9: thriving community and a thriving nation.
Speaker 4: All right, So you guys know, for years, probably the
Speaker 4: past two or three years, all we heard from parents
Speaker 4: and activists at the school board METE was about mind
Speaker 4: your business and let me let my kids learn what
Speaker 4: I want them to.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 4: So I just want to remind you what we were
Speaker 4: hearing when it came to issues like CRT Nick, Let's
Speaker 4: row that sound.
Speaker 10: The DEI program is a trojan horse that will bring
Speaker 10: in a slippery slope, a slippery slope that will ultimately
Speaker 10: end in critical race theory, white repentance, and the mcdonalization
Speaker 10: of America's students.
Speaker 8: Please get back to just teaching our children, math, science,
Speaker 8: factual history, equity, of opportunity and teach them how to
Speaker 8: think and not what to think.
Speaker 4: So the hypocrisy of it all exactly. Now, think about
Speaker 4: if your child is Muslim or Buddhist or Jewish and
Speaker 4: they're teaching from a Bible, the part of the Bible
Speaker 4: that you don't necessarily believe in. The hypocrisy when it
Speaker 4: comes to these moral issues. Not after you just elected
Speaker 4: the pussy grabber and chief, not after you just put
Speaker 4: up someone who was accused of sexual assault with teenagers.
Speaker 4: Matt Gates for Attorney General also maybe focused on the
Speaker 4: issues in your own district in Texas. This year, Texas
Speaker 4: has the sixth highest rate of bullying and the eighth
Speaker 4: highest dropout rate in the nation. The state ranked thirty
Speaker 4: four for its Median ACT scores and forty in nationwide
Speaker 4: ranking of SAT scores. That's according to website wallet Hub.
Speaker 4: Oklahoma has been raked forty sixth in the nation and
Speaker 4: overall childcare well being forty ninth in education. That's according
Speaker 4: to the Antie Casey Foundation. Louisiana is in the fiftieth
Speaker 4: spot for the second year in a row in rankings
Speaker 4: for the state as a whole, It rated forty seventh
Speaker 4: in education, forty sixth in healthcare, forty ninth in the environment,
Speaker 4: and forty ninth in infrastructure, forty fourth in the economy.
Speaker 4: Please don't talk to us about how seriously you take
Speaker 4: education when you just put up Linda McMahon, former WWE executive,
Speaker 4: to mansol the Department of Education. It's a shit show
Speaker 4: across the country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Chiff, the part that, in addition to
Speaker 1: obviously the offense to all different faiths that exist and
Speaker 1: those of no faith. Quite frankly, and I'm a strong
Speaker 1: believera go to church, and in fact, side note, all
Speaker 1: three of my kids joined church on their own decision
Speaker 1: making this past Sunday. So I'm not anti religion, but
Speaker 1: I don't trust these folks to teach my children about values.
Speaker 1: Not right. I mean, what you just listed is exactly
Speaker 1: case in point why we wouldn't want to. But these
Speaker 1: are also the same people who use the Good Book
Speaker 1: to justify enslaving another people. So so you can take
Speaker 1: this thing, you can twist it, you can use it
Speaker 1: so that it beguides people toward your dominance in society.
Speaker 1: But you are extracting from public education legitimate histories of
Speaker 1: our people of this country of this nation, and you
Speaker 1: expect that I'm supposed to now hand deliver over my
Speaker 1: children for you to now subjugate them again to second
Speaker 1: class stat is no thank you, no thank you. And Tiffany,
Speaker 1: you're right to point out that this is the type
Speaker 1: of stuff that's creeping in our states that quite frankly
Speaker 1: end up being the exact kinds of legislation that are
Speaker 1: rolled out at the federal level with members of Congress.
Speaker 1: Because it's already been planted in the states, they're just
Speaker 1: two point oh version two point zero to in fact
Speaker 1: infect the entire country. So if you're in a place
Speaker 1: around the nation where you think you're not impacted by
Speaker 1: this stuff, you just wait and see. They may be
Speaker 1: coming for Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana and states like mine, Florida,
Speaker 1: even Georgia and other places, but they may be up
Speaker 1: your street later. I just think it's crazy, but I'm
Speaker 1: really glad that we are putting a spotlight on it.
Speaker 4: But also that's why there's no off election years like
Speaker 4: these things are happening at school boards. So that's why
Speaker 4: it's important to have for parents, especially have a presence
Speaker 4: at these school board meetings. And this is how local
Speaker 4: politics impact our federal politics because a lot of these
Speaker 4: shitty policies start at the local, state and local level.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right, May Angelo and Florida being banned all
Speaker 1: across the state by school boards. Right, they're banning eber Kenny,
Speaker 1: everybody number one banner book banner in this country. Yet
Speaker 1: they want to introduce the Bible less curriculum for morals.
Speaker 11: Okay, we'll see.
Speaker 1: All right, y'all. So we've heard of late a lot
Speaker 1: of conversation about recess appointments. If Donald Trump doesn't get
Speaker 1: his non nominations through the confirmation process of the US Senate,
Speaker 1: that he has a fallback strategy to appoint these folks
Speaker 1: at a recess. So what is it? First of all,
Speaker 1: I want to acknowledge our listeners are brilliant, bright, highly sophisticated,
Speaker 1: but for some of us we may not have pulled
Speaker 1: back the layers of like, what's the possibility around this
Speaker 1: recess appointment. Recess appointments are obviously a power granted in
Speaker 1: the Constitution of the United States that essentially was established
Speaker 1: so that when Congress is on recess that the operation
Speaker 1: of government necessary piece of government could still go forward.
Speaker 1: So when back Obviously, during the time of its framing,
Speaker 1: it took up to two months for members of the Congress,
Speaker 1: the House, and the Senate to travel from respective places
Speaker 1: around the country back to DC to make decisions. Well,
Speaker 1: in that critical period of time, you don't want a
Speaker 1: president being handicapped or any agency not being able to
Speaker 1: do his job because a nominee hasn't been confirmed, which
Speaker 1: it created the opportunity for that president to make an
Speaker 1: appointment temporarily of an individual for a position that would
Speaker 1: otherwise have required confirmation by the United States United States Senate.
Speaker 1: Through court litigation, it was established that a recess has
Speaker 1: to last for a minimum of ten days in order
Speaker 1: for it to be an official recess. Some of us,
Speaker 1: if for Mike Johnson, the presumptive or expected Speaker of
Speaker 1: the House, current speak of the House, say that he'd
Speaker 1: be open to recess appointments, and you might ask yourself, well,
Speaker 1: what does the House Speaker have to do with recess appointments?
Speaker 1: Good question, because it's a confirmation is the responsibility of
Speaker 1: the Senate. Well, there is a little known section of
Speaker 1: the US law the Constitution that provides in instances where
Speaker 1: one of the houses of Congress wants to take a
Speaker 1: break longer than typical, it must be agreed to by
Speaker 1: both the House and the Senate. Well, if the Senate
Speaker 1: says we're not going to go with these recess appointments
Speaker 1: and we want to see every nominee and go through
Speaker 1: the confirmation process, it's prerogative can be upset by Speaker
Speaker 1: Johnson putting on the floor a resolution that says the
Speaker 1: House wants to go into recess for ten days. If
Speaker 1: it then goes over to the Senate. If it passes
Speaker 1: the House, the Senate can then say no, we disagree.
Speaker 1: And in instances where they disagree, the Constitution provides for
Speaker 1: the President of the United States to decide and dispand
Speaker 1: that Congress for its recess, giving Donald Trump the opportunity
Speaker 1: where he president to have Mike Johnson put forth a
Speaker 1: resolution for recess, the Senate to deny that, and then
Speaker 1: for Donald Trump to recess the Congress and make his
Speaker 1: appointments over a recess period. Obviously, this is not a
Speaker 1: practice that has been heavily utilized in our past. Actually
Speaker 1: only once has a cabinet member been confirmed that way,
Speaker 1: but Donald Trump. Obviously, this would have been during Clinton's administration.
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken and it was only recess appointments,
Speaker 1: of course only lasts for a term, which means once
Speaker 1: the Congress recesses then comes back into another term, which
Speaker 1: is typically a calendar year, that person is no longer
Speaker 1: in office. But of course the president could then repeat
Speaker 1: that practice for four years and continue to have people
Speaker 1: reside in those offices via recess appointment.
Speaker 4: So what happens then, because this is where I'm confused
Speaker 4: about the process on the Hill. So right now they're
Speaker 4: looking to fill Senator majority leader. Outgoing former majority leader
Speaker 4: Senator Mitch McConnell is retiring, and they are looking to
Speaker 4: fill that position. So Republican leadership, and Donald Trump has
Speaker 4: said this person has to be okay with recess appointments.
Speaker 4: So let's say they tap somebody who is okay with
Speaker 4: recess appointments. So Thune is now the minority leader. So
Speaker 4: if if Senator John Thune is is like, I'm okay
Speaker 4: with recess appointments, does that mean that then in the
Speaker 4: recess he can confirm all all the positions that need
Speaker 4: recess appointments.
Speaker 1: Presumptively, if the if the US Senate were to take
Speaker 1: a ten day break. Of course, Donald Trump would need
Speaker 1: to be president. He's not president. These nominees are not
Speaker 1: official until.
Speaker 4: They are post inauguration correct.
Speaker 1: Correct, correct, But theoretically the Senate could go on a recess.
Speaker 10: Now.
Speaker 1: There are some procedural ways in which Democrats can attempt
Speaker 1: to upset, but eventually the majority can decide to take
Speaker 1: a recess.
Speaker 4: The Democrats have said.
Speaker 1: There are very and Angela, you may be able to
Speaker 1: wait inherit to it as well. But there are various
Speaker 1: procedural ways in which they can delay through requesting and
Speaker 1: requiring more votes, requiring hand count votes, or individualized votes.
Speaker 1: These are delay tactics. But the majority which they have
Speaker 1: presumptively fifty three is what is expected fifty three or
Speaker 1: fifty four, fifty three seats, I think majority in the
Speaker 1: United States Senate. They'll have what is required to go
Speaker 1: on recess right now. I also want to tell you, Tiff,
Speaker 1: because I know it can be confusing, and I hate this.
Speaker 1: I hate this for the listeners as well, because it's
Speaker 1: important we know it. Though of late, the current precedent
Speaker 1: has pretty much been that the United States Senate doesn't
Speaker 1: take much of a recess. They keep the they technically
Speaker 1: have been staying in session and bringing a local or
Speaker 1: a US senator who is in close proximity to Washington.
Speaker 1: In this case, if Republicans are in charge, I think
Speaker 1: West Virginia's probably going to be the closest, and they
Speaker 1: would have that senator come over and procedurally do some
Speaker 1: action on the floor that is of no import simply
Speaker 1: to say that the president cannot make any recess appointments
Speaker 1: because we have not technically gone on recess. That's been
Speaker 1: the operating mode probably since Clinton's time in office. Republicans
Speaker 1: have feared recess appointments and have kept the Congress. I
Speaker 1: have kept the US Senate technically in session to avoid
Speaker 1: appointments over recess.
Speaker 5: I just want to fact check this really quick, because
Speaker 5: I didn't think that that was true about Bill Clinton
Speaker 5: being the last one to use the power. So key
Speaker 5: for cabinet member, Oh for a cabinet I didn't hear
Speaker 5: you say that, okay, cabinet member. So for the other
Speaker 5: folks that heard it, like me, initially, the President Obama
Speaker 5: also used the resource appointments to confirm thirty two people,
Speaker 5: twenty eight of those in full time positions. George W.
Speaker 5: Bush used it one hundred and seventy one times.
Speaker 1: But as you know, Angela, you know, the president has
Speaker 1: over what six thousand appointments, but only a limited number obviously.
Speaker 5: Of the cabinet or ones that they make cabinet level.
Speaker 5: And then Bill Clinton used it one hundred and thirty
Speaker 5: nine times. These are for full time in part time positions.
Speaker 5: President Obama mostly used them for undersecretaries for the Deputy
Speaker 5: US Trade Representative and Deputy Attorney General while he was
Speaker 5: in office.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of using for ambassadorships as well, to
Speaker 1: avoid the confirmation you know process, and I do you
Speaker 1: want to make clear.
Speaker 5: To expedite when you're being held you know, captive by
Speaker 5: a Congress that doesn't want to work for you. So
Speaker 5: it's not just to like obscate a process, it's also
Speaker 5: when they are obscating the process, correct.
Speaker 1: Correct, And those have been the most regular uses of
Speaker 1: the recess appointment. However, at the cabinet level, again, these
Speaker 1: are people who are in the line of secession. Right
Speaker 1: the president goes, you know, vice President speak of the
Speaker 1: House on and so forth. So these are cabinet people.
Speaker 1: These are people in the line of secession constitutionally who
Speaker 1: are are basically being routed, you know, in run around
Speaker 1: the confirmation process, and I just I just want to
Speaker 1: make sure that we're all listeners and us are all
Speaker 1: aware that this is what the recess appointment is. It
Speaker 1: has not been abused prior, you know before, rather in
Speaker 1: this way for cabinet level positions. But there's no telling
Speaker 1: them what we can see through Trump.
Speaker 4: So I think I understand what y'all both saying. I
Speaker 4: guess my question is, for all of these people who
Speaker 4: are clearly problematic people, is there any chance that some
Speaker 4: of these people won't get confirmed because I feel like
Speaker 4: the Republican Party will just fall in line with Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: My outlier, I think is Matt Gates, who is obviously
Speaker 4: up for Attorney General just because he made so many
Speaker 4: enemies within the party. But we've seen this time and
Speaker 4: again where people are like, no, you know, screw him,
Speaker 4: and then they fall in line. So I don't know, And.
Speaker 5: I think Sif was still asking her question, Well, I just.
Speaker 4: Really I could talk it to Angela because I want
Speaker 4: to hear answer, but I just want to say, Andrew,
Speaker 4: I know you were in college at the same time
Speaker 4: as Matt gets uh, Matt Gates rather and we didn't
Speaker 4: get a chance to talk about that, but yeah, I'd
Speaker 4: love to hear from from you, Angela on is there
Speaker 4: any stopping this? You know, even outside the park? Is
Speaker 4: there any stop in any of these cabinet members.
Speaker 5: Here's what I really think is important. And before we
Speaker 5: get into what I really think is important, I really
Speaker 5: think we should go to break and talk about why
Speaker 5: this is not normal and why we should not normalize it.
Speaker 5: So let's talk about that on the other side of
Speaker 5: this break.
Speaker 3: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome, y'all.
Speaker 5: I know that we all understand that this is not normal.
Speaker 5: I do not want to talk about Donald Trump and
Speaker 5: the way that he plans to use his executive powers
Speaker 5: as normal. I don't want to talk about him abusing
Speaker 5: what we know he will do is which has abuse
Speaker 5: recess appointments as normal. And I want to be very
Speaker 5: clear to the listening audience that it is so abnormal
Speaker 5: that this man has also appointed people to the Supreme
Speaker 5: Court who will always side with him. So not only
Speaker 5: will he likely get every appointment confirmed, whether it is
Speaker 5: through the traditional way or the way that he will
Speaker 5: abuse a recess appointment that will only apply to Donald
Speaker 5: Trump and no other president if forever to get another president.
Speaker 5: But I want to be very clear about the fact
Speaker 5: that the Supreme Court, who took issue with Barack Obama's
Speaker 5: appointments to the National Labor Relations Board during recess, that
Speaker 5: they will be totally fine with Donald Trump confirming and
Speaker 5: getting confirmed all of these crazy people, including a WWE
Speaker 5: exec and including Matt Gett. So I just wanted to
Speaker 5: be very very clear in ksey'all missed it. This is
Speaker 5: not normal. This is someone who intends to abuse the process.
Speaker 5: This is someone who's been rubber stamped along the way.
Speaker 5: I think part of my trauma this week is seeing
Speaker 5: every single one of his criminal cases falling off. And
Speaker 5: there are people that are diehard supporters of Donald Trump
Speaker 5: who are like, oh, it's God's favor. No, it is not.
Speaker 5: It is white supremacist privilege that only applies to this man.
Speaker 5: And I cannot figure out why it's again going to
Speaker 5: spiral me to I don't know, and I can't figure
Speaker 5: out why. So I'm going to table it there. But please, please,
Speaker 5: Andrew gillim while we have a feckless Attorney General named
Speaker 5: Merrick Garland who won't get anything done except for targeting
Speaker 5: black elected officials won't get anything done around Donald Trump
Speaker 5: won't ensure There are thousands of January sixth insurrectionists, by
Speaker 5: the way, who are arrested and have caught cases, but
Speaker 5: their leader did not because Merritt Garland sat there and watched.
Speaker 5: But please tell me more about a child molester could
Speaker 5: be the next attorney general's country. And it's just because
Speaker 5: it's not normal.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm no fan of the at all, I mean, but.
Speaker 5: This is the thing we have to like go from.
Speaker 5: Like this dude did not get it right. So like
Speaker 5: now we get somebody that is a complete nut basket
Speaker 5: because he's pledged blind allegiance to Donald Trump. That's just
Speaker 5: because we have somebody who actually is capable and understands
Speaker 5: the law and all that, but doesn't use it to
Speaker 5: ensure that this country is protected from this maniac. Like
Speaker 5: this is mind blowing to me. We normalize everything, wet
Speaker 5: everything as normal, and trigger back to last week when
Speaker 5: he told me just don't go to inauguration. But Jesus,
Speaker 5: like when you treat everything like it's just business as usual,
Speaker 5: you get this unusual, crazy business. And now we're all
Speaker 5: going to jail.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, tell me what can I just really really quickly, Andrew,
Speaker 4: I just want to say that Matt Gates has he
Speaker 4: is an accused. He's been accused of having sex with
Speaker 4: seventeen year olds. We called him. He's accused. He has
Speaker 4: not been convicted.
Speaker 5: He had accused of take it out the thing. But
Speaker 5: Matt Gates is not saying he's attacked Andrew personally. That
Speaker 5: is factual. He is not saying they will not see
Speaker 5: me for saying. He is not saying. And I will
Speaker 5: also say that this man there were two women who
Speaker 5: testified before the House Ethics Committee under sealed report that
Speaker 5: y'all still have not seen. I'm sure it's coming that
Speaker 5: talked about his behavior with underage women with minors, seventeen
Speaker 5: year olds, seventeen, These are miners. These are miners. These
Speaker 5: are miners. Perfect, they're miners.
Speaker 4: Well, in addition to being minors, he's also accused of
Speaker 4: paying for sex, which is also against the law. Right,
Speaker 4: you went to school with them, So I want to yeah,
Speaker 4: well we're.
Speaker 1: In the same city, we're in the same Yeah. But
Speaker 1: I will say this about is not just to him,
Speaker 1: but across the board, to these nominees. The Trump administration
Speaker 1: has decided to waive in the case of Matt Gates
Speaker 1: as well as Tulci Gabbard, as well as their nominee
Speaker 1: for the Defense Secretary FBI background checks on them, which
Speaker 1: are in depth research, interviews, and investigations on each of
Speaker 1: the nominees he's waived it. I'd like to ask this question,
Speaker 1: which is, why is it that, in the remaining days
Speaker 1: of this administration, can't Joe Biden direct the FBI to
Speaker 1: conduct these investigations right now under his watch? What limits
Speaker 1: the current president of the United States saying I believe
Speaker 1: and I will direct this agency to investigate thoroughly each
Speaker 1: of the President's nominees and make that material available to
Speaker 1: respective committees and members of both the House and the Senate,
Speaker 1: on both the Democrat, Republican and independent whoever else is
Speaker 1: up there in the Congress. But I just think that
Speaker 1: we should not yet let off the existing administration as
Speaker 1: a protectee of the Constitution and our democracy if they
Speaker 1: still believe that it is such a threat and under
Speaker 1: such threat, that they ought to use the powers that
Speaker 1: exist right now to ensure that we get the information
Speaker 1: about these individuals that we need. Because I tell you,
Speaker 1: I'm shocked that Tallahassee is not already swarming with reporters
Speaker 1: from all over. I mean, Matt and I were at
Speaker 1: college at the same time. I was student body president
Speaker 1: FAMU prior to that Senate president. He was doing similar
Speaker 1: work over at FSU. My best friend and he are
Speaker 1: law school classmates, and so on and so forth, and
Speaker 1: the stories, and I can tell you even firsthand experiences
Speaker 1: of having observed the kind of person that Matt is.
Speaker 1: A man by age, but an adolescent by attitude, demeanor
Speaker 1: and com u uh comportment, a troller in chief on
Speaker 1: every platform that allows him to still exist. There there
Speaker 1: are stories that go back to his days as as
Speaker 1: as a younger man still an adult in Tallahassee. That
Speaker 1: that that really deserve some intentional and investigative reporting. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, well, I would say this much everything that
Speaker 1: you have seen him accused of up to this point today,
Speaker 1: should those things be confirmed and turned out to be true,
Speaker 1: know that that didn't just begin at this point in
Speaker 1: his life. That that pattern began a very long time ago,
Speaker 1: probably even before I ever encountered him or got to
Speaker 1: got to know him, when he was a student here
Speaker 1: at Florista University. And I want to be careful here
Speaker 1: because I'm not suggesting that he has anything to do
Speaker 1: with it, but he had a roommate of his pass
Speaker 1: away inexplicit inexplicably, there was an investigation that was undertaken
Speaker 1: by the Department of Law Enforcement that sort of at
Speaker 1: least it was rumored that it began as a homicide investigation,
Speaker 1: and then ultimately that went away and it was just
Speaker 1: sort of ruled as some sort of accidental death or
Speaker 1: or I forget what the actual claim on it is,
Speaker 1: but that's a job of and reporters to go in and.
Speaker 5: Find out to see out the details.
Speaker 1: I don't know why it went away, but I should
Speaker 1: note that Matt Gates' father, Popagates, Daddy Gates as the state,
Speaker 1: was a very powerful state senator at the time, had
Speaker 1: went it to retirement and now back in the and
Speaker 1: and and governing power, And so there was a lot
Speaker 1: going on under the sort of under the surface here.
Speaker 1: There are people who experienced him here, who rolled with
Speaker 1: him here, who know And I guess if I had
Speaker 1: a call out to folks who were in Tallahassee in
Speaker 1: these early two thousands and and and forward, who remember
Speaker 1: that time with him, both as a member of the
Speaker 1: legislature but going back to his time as a student
Speaker 1: at Florida State University. Who know more. If you are
Speaker 1: on the side of saving our democracy, on the side
Speaker 1: of not having a retributive uh, you know, Tyrant of
Speaker 1: a team serving as the US Attorney General, then I
Speaker 1: think you have an obligation to reach out to your
Speaker 1: local or state FBI offices, offer what you know in secret,
Speaker 1: and let them do the work that they're supposed to
Speaker 1: do to unearth what is truth and what is not.
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to live in
Speaker 1: in gossip. That's why I won't say more, but I
Speaker 1: will say there there is more than smoke right now.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 1: And I think with a little bit of and and
Speaker 1: how do you say, a deep dive by by reporters,
Speaker 1: I think you can quickly start to illuminate some truths
Speaker 1: for the American people to consider before this confirmation is
Speaker 1: seen by the US Center.
Speaker 5: Can I just say really quick about Matt Gates too,
Speaker 5: because I think it is important that our cabinet officials
Speaker 5: are above reproach. There's a biblical constance we're teaching Bible
Speaker 5: in school, is teaching on the podcast too above reproach.
Speaker 5: And it is fascinating to me that the standards by
Speaker 5: which someone can be admitted to a bar, you know,
Speaker 5: to practice law, are higher than what would be required
Speaker 5: of a cabinet official. And and to me, what is
Speaker 5: also really frustrating. And I'm not saying that people don't
Speaker 5: make mistakes and that they shouldn't be forgiven or that
Speaker 5: it shouldn't be disclosed, but it could be disqualifying for
Speaker 5: an attorney to have a dui right to be arrested
Speaker 5: for dui. Matt Getz also has a d UY on
Speaker 5: his record. Oh I don't know about three. I know
Speaker 5: about one, but okay, so let's say that it's allegedly three.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, well let's go with allegedly one, but.
Speaker 4: Certain currently.
Speaker 5: Allegedly three, maybe multiples. But I guess all I'm saying
Speaker 5: is I think that it is time for this country
Speaker 5: to take a hard look at the standards that are
Speaker 5: required for people to work a job. Why is it easier?
Speaker 5: Why is the bar lower for Donald Trump to become
Speaker 5: president than it is for someone to work at a
Speaker 5: regular nine to five job. Why is it easier for
Speaker 5: someone to become the Attorney General of the United States
Speaker 5: than it is for someone to be admitted to practice
Speaker 5: law at a state bar. Those are some of the
Speaker 5: questions that we should be asking ourselves to remind ourselves
Speaker 5: that this is not a normal time, that it is abnormal,
Speaker 5: and that we should not accept this type of abnormality.
Speaker 4: Echo Echo, echo a thousand times. Andrew, can I ask
Speaker 4: you a quick question?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Please, Okay.
Speaker 4: I want to talk about this phyllish slapley character he
Speaker 4: got run in the White House. He has named Susie
Speaker 4: Wiles his chief of staff. As you all know, that
Speaker 4: does not need a Senate confirmation. You have personal experience
Speaker 4: with Susi wise, we didn't get a chance to talk
Speaker 4: about it last week.
Speaker 1: I want to hear your yeah. I'll say, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't have dirt on Susie Wilds. What I have
Speaker 1: on Susie Wilds is the fact that she is a
Speaker 1: magic maker. I mean, she came in and took over
Speaker 1: Ronda Santis' campaign when he and I were running against
Speaker 1: each other for the office of governor in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: And this is at the point where my poll numbers
Speaker 1: began to climb above his, and it almost in the
Speaker 1: last thirty days just sort of looked like the thing
Speaker 1: was sort of about to be done, and Susie Wilds
Speaker 1: came in to rescue his operation and turned I mean
Speaker 1: literally in thirty days, turned that ship, you know, quite
Speaker 1: around a very very low key operative. You're not going
Speaker 1: to see her holding press conferences, You're not going to
Speaker 1: see her out front. She you know, it sort of
Speaker 1: reminds me of a character from Scandal, where you know,
Speaker 1: you sort of have this clutch player who is mysterious
Speaker 1: in many ways, sort of behind the curtain, but is
Speaker 1: each extremely powerful and frankly quite impressive about the rescue mission,
Speaker 1: does the rescue mission, does the fixing, and then I
Speaker 1: think turns out almost near unbelievable outcomes. And I just
Speaker 1: underscored this sort of almost unbelievable part because I think,
Speaker 1: you know, we ought to know, we need to know more.
Speaker 4: Well since fallen out.
Speaker 1: Then she fell out with Ronda Santis and hated DeSantis
Speaker 1: because everyone was crediting her with DeSantis's win. They basically
Speaker 1: said there was no way Susie comes in as she
Speaker 1: rescues it, and she began getting a lot of attention,
Speaker 1: which she usually pushes off, but without her permission a
Speaker 1: lot of attention inure to her. The Disantances reportedly did
Speaker 1: not like that at all and simmarily dismissed her from
Speaker 1: her role at the Republican Party of Florida. And later thereafter,
Speaker 1: Trump embraced her, picked her right on up and bought
Speaker 1: him her early on into his campaign as as a
Speaker 1: senior advisor and then later obviously as as a deputy
Speaker 1: as the.
Speaker 4: Co campaign tried to discourage and absolutely, yes, I get
Speaker 4: to fire her.
Speaker 1: I would say the DeSantis is. I think it's very
Speaker 1: important to keep Casey DeSantis in the picture because of
Speaker 1: the very outsize role that she played in his life.
Speaker 1: And then last on, this is the other Matt Gates connection.
Speaker 1: Is he actually uh played me as in debate prep
Speaker 1: as the centus sparring partner. It's quite interesting because my
Speaker 1: team advisors and staff always shows women to play the
Speaker 1: role of dissentis during my debate prep, which I don't
Speaker 1: know what that was about. I didn't question it at
Speaker 1: the time, but he supposedly played me as if uh
Speaker 1: in preparing DeSantis uh for for debate. But you're right,
Speaker 1: it's not normal, and that's why I want to press
Speaker 1: on this administration to do what they can with the
Speaker 1: power that they have remaining. I think they owe us
Speaker 1: some protection here to the extent that we can get
Speaker 1: it to unearth what needs to be on earthed, because
Speaker 1: your point, Angela around above reproach above reproach for a
Speaker 1: position like this really means that you can't hide anything
Speaker 1: that's somebody else, a foreign government or even a domestic
Speaker 1: a citizen who could get a hold of then hold
Speaker 1: over your head the disclosure of that information over your
Speaker 1: head so that they can take from you or really,
Speaker 1: in this case from the American people, what is not
Speaker 1: owed to them. We need people who are beyond reproach
Speaker 1: or they need to open up the closet and let
Speaker 1: out what is in there so that they cannot be
Speaker 1: bribed or held hostage by a citizen or foreign government
Speaker 1: for information that they have over that.
Speaker 5: Is going to happen, friend, because that's the era that
Speaker 5: we're in, Like, let's just be clear about what they
Speaker 5: can't like, all of this is going to happen. I
Speaker 5: think the sooner we come to terms with the fact
Speaker 5: that this is where we are, the better ourf will be.
Speaker 5: Now for those people out there who think that Donald
Speaker 5: Trump is like a black man because he had a
Speaker 5: mug shot. You'll probably appreciate this one too. Fun fact
Speaker 5: about Susie Wiles is she lobbied for Swiss or sweets.
Speaker 5: So I guess there's a black card for you.
Speaker 4: Wow, frustrating break? Well, well, I guess it's time for
Speaker 4: a break. Well, we'll go to a break. And on
Speaker 4: the other side of that, I would love to go
Speaker 4: to if you were a questioned that hits close to
Speaker 4: my heart and that is about the punditry class and
Speaker 4: their hot garbage takes they've been offering that. So don't
Speaker 4: go anywhere.
Speaker 11: We'll be right, yeah, ma'am.
Speaker 12: Hey, Tiffany Angela Andrew. My name is Donelle. I am
Speaker 12: originally from Cludand, Ohio, but I currently live in LA
Speaker 12: and I just wanted to I guess get you ays
Speaker 12: opinion on all these pundits post elections going around blaming
Speaker 12: wokeness as the reason Kamala Harris ultimately lost the election.
Speaker 12: Being that the term woke originated within the black community,
Speaker 12: it kind of feels like a slap in the face,
Speaker 12: at least personally as a black gay man, especially being
Speaker 12: that the LGBTQ community supporting Kamala overwhelmingly too. It just
Speaker 12: feels distasteful and, like I said, a slap in the
Speaker 12: face to me that they would go around blaming wokeness
Speaker 12: or being too woke as the reason, and it ultimately
Speaker 12: kind of makes me not want to support the Democratic
Speaker 12: Party in the future. But yeah, just wanted to get
Speaker 12: you guys' opinion on that, And yes, I think you
Speaker 12: guys should definitely keep going. Your voices are definitely needed
Speaker 12: in this space.
Speaker 4: I love it. I was born in Cleveland, Ohio, so homeboy.
Speaker 4: But I want to say, the puntry class right now
Speaker 4: is trash. I'm so disgusted by all of it. Even
Speaker 4: the people that you see taking up space on these
Speaker 4: sets like Show the viewers, you have some respect for
Speaker 4: them that you at least looked up something that you
Speaker 4: are a subject matter on, something not just taking up space.
Speaker 4: But what happened earlier this week. It came out that
Speaker 4: morning Joe host, Joe Scarborough and Mika Brazinski went to
Speaker 4: meet with Donald Trump. A lot of us weren't surprised
Speaker 4: by this, but I was really surprised that so many
Speaker 4: of you guys were, and so I was happy to
Speaker 4: get this question from this this man talking about, you know,
Speaker 4: blaming woke culture. This really isn't something new, so we
Speaker 4: really shouldn't be surprised by a lot of these same
Speaker 4: folks echoing these same garbage takes. And I just want
Speaker 4: to remind people who these folks are and who they
Speaker 4: have always been. I want you all to take a
Speaker 4: listen to Joe Scarborough in twenty fourteen. This is ten
Speaker 4: years ago. This was on the heels of the Saint
Speaker 4: Louis Rams players who walked on the field in twenty fourteen,
Speaker 4: as you all remember, with the hands up, don't shoot position.
Speaker 4: This is how the former Republican Congressman Joe Scarborough responded
Speaker 4: to that outside about any others.
Speaker 6: So, but these players can suggest that the Saint Louis
Speaker 6: cops shoot black youth with their hands up in the air.
Speaker 6: That's cool with the NFL, That's cool with the Saint
Speaker 6: Louis Rams. That's cool to suggest that Saint Louis police
Speaker 6: officers in the town. Probably a lot who go to
Speaker 6: the games and watch the games and are fans. Does
Speaker 6: Saint Louis Rams think it's cool for them to suggest
Speaker 6: that Saint Louis cops shoot young black men who had
Speaker 6: hands up in the air, when we know that that
Speaker 6: was a lie. It's a lie, and what was that?
Speaker 6: Just Joan Capitill or more people like going, Oh, it
Speaker 6: doesn't matter where it's the truth or not, I'm going
Speaker 6: to suggest the cops shoot people with their hands up
Speaker 6: in the air. What is wrong with this country?
Speaker 1: It's not the truth.
Speaker 3: And you know it's not the truth.
Speaker 13: And you're going on the house floor suggesting that police
Speaker 13: officers who put their lives on the line are shooting
Speaker 13: people with their hands in the air when you know
Speaker 13: it's a lie.
Speaker 6: What's wrong with you?
Speaker 4: So on the heels of that. Never mind that many
Speaker 4: witnesses say that Michael Brown what he did, have his
Speaker 4: hands up when the officer shot him. Never minded his
Speaker 4: body was left dead in the streets to rot for hours.
Speaker 4: Never mind that we routinely saw at this time, especially
Speaker 4: and nothing that has really changed black men, unarmed black
Speaker 4: men getting shot by the police. So I just you know,
Speaker 4: that was ten years ago. So the fact that the
Speaker 4: media who normalized this foolish, ridiculousness that we've seen in
Speaker 4: Donald Trump, they didn't remind people about Trump having kisleak
Speaker 4: in the oval office. They didn't remind people about the
Speaker 4: document's case. They didn't remind people about who Donald Trump was,
Speaker 4: so it should be no surprise. And I would just
Speaker 4: ask people, if you don't like what you're seeing from
Speaker 4: the pundits, then stop watching because by you tuning in,
Speaker 4: you're saying I approve of this, and you're giving them ratings.
Speaker 4: When they announced that they met with Donald Trump there
Speaker 4: they saw their ratings take a dive. So if you
Speaker 4: go back and watch, then they're seeing an uptick and
Speaker 4: they assume that you don't mind. When you tune into US,
Speaker 4: it says, hey, we see people like what they're watching,
Speaker 4: so we will expand this platform. We'll give more opportunity.
Speaker 4: When you tune out, it says all people don't like
Speaker 4: what they're watching, So you are the real power brokers
Speaker 4: at home. Tune out if you don't like it. Speaking
Speaker 4: of normalizing, note, I want to get back to the cabinet,
Speaker 4: and I know that you got a lot to say
Speaker 4: about the cabinet. Which one did you say you you
Speaker 4: wanted to hit Angela?
Speaker 1: I forget Doctor last episode.
Speaker 5: Doctors, But before I get to doctor Oz, I do
Speaker 5: want to address part of this listener question. I actually
Speaker 5: might pitch y'all off. I do think that we have
Speaker 5: some soul searching to do, because there are a bunch
Speaker 5: of us. I label myself as a progressive. I don't
Speaker 5: really hold a party label, and there are a lot
Speaker 5: of reasons, and I'm very concerned that the way that
Speaker 5: progressive people are being talked about within the Democratic Party
Speaker 5: is damn near violent right now. There is we have
Speaker 5: to have some conversations around how we define ourselves and
Speaker 5: then how those definitions are going outside. And so he
Speaker 5: just he brought up wokeism in his comments as well,
Speaker 5: and I think wokeness like so, there's a definition from
Speaker 5: Oxford that says the quality of being alert to and
Speaker 5: concerned about social injustice and discrimination. Then there is a
Speaker 5: wokeism definition also in Oxford. It says progressive or left
Speaker 5: wing attitudes or practices, especially those opposing social injustice or discrimination,
Speaker 5: that are viewed as doctrinaire, self righteous, and insincere. And
Speaker 5: I guess, I guess My question is why is it
Speaker 5: self righteous to desire to live? Why is it self
Speaker 5: righteous to ask that police officers protect and serve all,
Speaker 5: not some? Why is it self righteous to demand that
Speaker 5: my paycheck when I'm doing the same job as you
Speaker 5: should be the same. Why is it self righteous for
Speaker 5: me to seek a mortgage loan and hope that my
Speaker 5: mortgage loan would be approved because of my credit score?
Speaker 5: Just like everybody else? Tell we you're rid of those
Speaker 5: things and not disproved or denied because of who I
Speaker 5: am and my skin color and where I come from,
Speaker 5: if you can even choose that. Why is it self
Speaker 5: righteous for me to desire to live in a neighborhood
Speaker 5: where my kids and my family can be safe because
Speaker 5: I deserve that and I can stay there and I
Speaker 5: can afford MYO Like why is that self righteous? And
Speaker 5: I think that that is the conversation that we have
Speaker 5: to have. Why is it that your power has to
Speaker 5: be a usif to my to my dreams, to my liberty,
Speaker 5: to my freedom? Like why is that the case? Yes,
Speaker 5: my mere, my mere survival. We're not even trying to
Speaker 5: we haven't even talked about thriving yet. So I'm like,
Speaker 5: I am literally still at this crossroads. I get it
Speaker 5: with him, I get his frustration with the Democratic Party,
Speaker 5: and I also am curious. We've talked about it at nauseum.
Speaker 5: I think especially in our in our you know, in
Speaker 5: our side conversations, but is the tent just too big?
Speaker 5: You know? Is the tent just too at a point
Speaker 5: at a breaking point?
Speaker 11: I remember.
Speaker 1: That's one of the one thing that's one of the
Speaker 1: few things that stood up for me for election Knight,
Speaker 1: was when we were with the Breakfast Club. I think
Speaker 1: it was Charla Might who said, is the Democratic tent
Speaker 1: just too big? Can you mean all those needs? And
Speaker 1: it sat with me, y'all, because one, I think this
Speaker 1: tent that we are describing as a big, big tent
Speaker 1: and then therefore representative of a share philosophy has always
Speaker 1: been a bit of a pipe dream. We have a
Speaker 1: lot of con Democratic Party has a lot of constituencies
Speaker 1: to serve. But as we saw from this last election,
Speaker 1: there were very important parts of that quote constituency who
Speaker 1: didn't feel seen, heard, spoken to at all whatsoever, and
Speaker 1: quite lightweight disrespected by some of what was happening, you know,
Speaker 1: within that frame. I also think that we got to
Speaker 1: really face up to the fact and this was put
Speaker 1: positive by y'all, you know, and the opening this whole
Speaker 1: question of the rainbow, the coalition, what is that is
Speaker 1: that it appears to me that when certain people get
Speaker 1: access to power, they want to one exempt themselves out
Speaker 1: of the coalition and align with an interest that has
Speaker 1: worked over time toward their suppression. And in fact, even
Speaker 1: when they joined that coalition, this group is still working
Speaker 1: over time against your very existence. Do you think the
Speaker 1: average run of the mill joe on the street is
Speaker 1: really making a difference between whether or not you are
Speaker 1: legal or he or illegally if you look to them
Speaker 1: like a latino, No, they're not. Most most folks aren't
Speaker 1: gonna displice that difference. Just like that incident of the
Speaker 1: neighbor and the neighbor. You may be a legal citizen,
Speaker 1: you may have been a born citizen here in this country,
Speaker 1: yet your neighbor hadn't even demonstrated announced curiosity about that
Speaker 1: you are brown, you are different, you are other, period.
Speaker 1: And so I that this tent thing and the question
Speaker 1: you're asking you if it's if it's too big, let's
Speaker 1: go on a journey and find out.
Speaker 4: I ask you what.
Speaker 5: I hope we can do that on the mini pot
Speaker 5: because I didn't like, I didn't know this was gon.
Speaker 5: I didn't know and it wasn't planned, but just hearing
Speaker 5: like your response watch Tiffany's space. I'm like, I want
Speaker 5: to talk about this. If we can't like, what is
Speaker 5: what I think we want from our you know, political system,
Speaker 5: from democracy? What are our high hopes? Tif maybe we
Speaker 5: can imagine and find some hope in that.
Speaker 4: Well, do y'all do y'all want to talk about that?
Speaker 4: Or do y'all want to talk about the cabinet members
Speaker 4: on the mini pot or both?
Speaker 5: I would rap to talk about Yeah, we got times if.
Speaker 4: We because we're going on the hour, we do calls now,
Speaker 4: we could potentially do both because we would it would
Speaker 4: just be a longer minipod or we can get into
Speaker 4: the cabinet now.
Speaker 5: I'm just going to say, real quick, this cast is trash. Uh, Yes,
Speaker 5: real quick, the cabinet is trash, doctor oz Uh. You
Speaker 5: know my grandmother before she passed, God rest her soul,
Speaker 5: Graham used to always talk to us about what you know,
Speaker 5: doctor Oh said, And I just would like for him
Speaker 5: to stay his ass on somebody's TV screen and out
Speaker 5: of the Department of Medicare and Medicaid Services centers. Excuse
Speaker 5: me for Medicare and Medicaid Services. That's not where he belongs.
Speaker 5: I'm deeply concerned by most of these pics. We don't
Speaker 5: have real time to get into them, but just know
Speaker 5: that he has put in the head of personnel someone
Speaker 5: who's ran his publishing companies, specifically for his books. This
Speaker 5: is literally a cabinet of Donald Trump stands. That is
Speaker 5: what you have people who have pledged blind allegiance to
Speaker 5: this man. I don't have another thing that is thought
Speaker 5: provoking to say about this, except for doctor I said,
Speaker 5: I really don't want you running this, sir, I'm.
Speaker 1: Telling you, but it's almost right, right, A president who
Speaker 1: told us to drink clorox or bleach or whatever he
Speaker 1: said to put this man over medicare medicaid. Y'all, these
Speaker 1: folks are not playing. And the truth is you said
Speaker 1: it last week, Tiffany, that trying to call out Donald
Speaker 1: Trump and follow him from a New s perspective, it's
Speaker 1: like trying to catch confetti and it's impossible, right, You
Speaker 1: can't catch all the pieces. And I think one of
Speaker 1: the things that we're going to be challenged by y'all
Speaker 1: over the coming weeks and months for sure, but years,
Speaker 1: is how it is that we create a new system
Speaker 1: of alert with his actions. We know it all falls
Speaker 1: in the categorgory of this ain't normal. But if we
Speaker 1: run around with our hair on fire, people are not
Speaker 1: going to know when to activate and when we all
Speaker 1: know this for truth that people can't stay activated twenty
Speaker 1: four to seven. We have to sleep in shifts, So
Speaker 1: so cruise got to be ready to move in when
Speaker 1: they are at their designated time. And so everything is
Speaker 1: going to feel immergent with this guy. Everything his sky
Speaker 1: is falling because it truly is. These appointments are deplorable
Speaker 1: and call them people to put the action of putting
Speaker 1: these people where he's trying to put them. But there
Speaker 1: may be different points at which there may be calls
Speaker 1: to action for us to intervene in some ways to
Speaker 1: do some things about it. And just because it's not
Speaker 1: called on everything doesn't mean that everything isn't important or
Speaker 1: a threat. But we're gonna have to calibrate ourselves as
Speaker 1: we take in what's happening to make sure we don't
Speaker 1: run people around this country with their hair on fire,
Speaker 1: but rather to start to be able to put this
Speaker 1: stuff into some perspective given what we're going to have
Speaker 1: to deal with. That's all my thoughts on that. If
Speaker 1: you want to take us at CTAs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so just to be clear, we're going to talk
Speaker 4: about what we want from our political systems on the
Speaker 4: mini pod. Yes, that's what we wanna do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we are.
Speaker 4: And just a reminder to the viewers, you can catch
Speaker 4: those mini pods. They drop every Monday, and so yeah,
Speaker 4: we'll get into that. I'm excited about it. I really
Speaker 4: kind of already gave my CTA. But I'll just reiterate.
Speaker 4: If you tune into some garbage, they think that's what
Speaker 4: you like. So you are the person who are the
Speaker 4: who's the real power broker? Stop tuning in the garbage,
Speaker 4: Stop listening to the garbage. And the thing I've said
Speaker 4: repeatedly on here, I'll keep saying it. Please share responsibly.
Speaker 4: There is so much misinformation doctor tweets, ai videos, Yes
Speaker 4: it is. Just just take a quick second before you
Speaker 4: share something and just see if it's accurate or real.
Speaker 4: I've had so much hit my inbox just this week alone,
Speaker 4: So just just take a quick pause before you post,
Speaker 4: before you share, before you drop something, just to make
Speaker 4: sure that it's accurate. Because we're about to be flooded
Speaker 4: with a lot of foolishness and guard that will sound fake,
Speaker 4: but it's sadly real on a lot of cases. Right now,
Speaker 4: Donald Trump has sixteen cabinet appointments. Who knows where we'll
Speaker 4: be at by by next week, So stay in.
Speaker 5: That's all I got, Angela, what you got, I'm going
Speaker 5: to tell y'all to track the cabinet appointments. Make sure
Speaker 5: you read up on who these folks are. I've not
Speaker 5: seen anyone yet that I'm like, you know what, that's
Speaker 5: a great pick, surprisingly great pick. I am. I am
Speaker 5: underwhelmed and really pissed, so that that would be my
Speaker 5: call to action. Please make sure y'all are checking out
Speaker 5: these cabinet appointments. Yea, videos coming, your questions, your comments.
Speaker 5: You guys have no idea how important it is to
Speaker 5: hear from you. We have a town hall style podcast
Speaker 5: over the holiday, sounds like, And that's because you all
Speaker 5: have sent in so many videos, so keep them coming.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And actually mine picks up from where you just
Speaker 1: left off, Angela, which is the commenting and the being engaged.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean just on our platform. Some of
Speaker 1: the ways in which I think we're going to be
Speaker 1: able to raise the heat about some of these nominees
Speaker 1: in the coming weeks and days is by by hitting
Speaker 1: on our elected officials. Everybody lives in the state AND's
Speaker 1: got two representatives in the United States Congress and the
Speaker 1: United States Senate. They need to know that you expect them,
Speaker 1: particularly the Democrats, but also the Republicans because they've got
Speaker 1: the majority. But we do not expect our We do
Speaker 1: not expect people who share our philosophical beliefs largely between
Speaker 1: the two systems, to roll over to anything that Donald
Speaker 1: Trump is pushing. Yes, it is going to be unfair
Speaker 1: because you are going to have to work around the clock.
Speaker 1: Your staffs will have to work around the clock. But
Speaker 1: there are not a lot of protections that people are
Speaker 1: feeling right now. We are not feeling safe, secure, held
Speaker 1: in good arms. And the upcoming a couple of months
Speaker 1: in the next four years, and so now is the time.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a little bit outrageous to see the
Speaker 1: Democrats only just now came up with a strategy of
Speaker 1: pushing through judges, and only coincidentally we're able to get
Speaker 1: a procedural vote pass to get some of those judges
Speaker 1: through because a couple of Republicans didn't show up. We
Speaker 1: ought to have real, fell safe plans for what we
Speaker 1: are going to do. I expect Democrats to manipulate and
Speaker 1: use the rules that are on the books to the
Speaker 1: success rate that Republicans have used them when they have
Speaker 1: been in the minority. They've used them, they've exercised them.
Speaker 1: And now is y'all's turns to get up, and it
Speaker 1: is our jobs us, the citizens, the residents in these states,
Speaker 1: to email, call, be in touch with the staffs and
Speaker 1: the offices of these members so that they can hear
Speaker 1: from us. Because if they don't hear from us, y'all,
Speaker 1: they do just like we do. They're like, oh, there
Speaker 1: are no heat on, that, there's no heat on, that,
Speaker 1: there's no expectation. So that's that's it for me. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry that was a long CTA, but I just want
Speaker 1: to warn us that this is what's going to be
Speaker 1: required of us. Are our fooling engagement with these folks, y'all.
Speaker 1: We appreciate all of us you joining us for this episode,
Speaker 1: and we hope that you will join with us in
Speaker 1: the mini pod. Y'all got some parting words otherwise.
Speaker 5: No welcome home, y'all.
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