WEBVTT - A Bazooka to Kill an Ant.  Lanhee Chen talks to A&G

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<v Speaker 1>The Armstrong and Jetty Show, both the Democratic later on

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<v Speaker 1>the White House Chief of Staff now indicate they think

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<v Speaker 1>President Obama's problem was that he was too bipartisan. If

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<v Speaker 1>he was meeting us half away, he's a he's a

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<v Speaker 1>damn poor judge of distance. So old Kennedy getting his

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<v Speaker 1>folksy shots in. Um, I'm I'm annoyed that one of

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest bending sprees we've ever gone on in American

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<v Speaker 1>history and world history, UH is getting so little discussion

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<v Speaker 1>and comment. And I agree with pundits who say the

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans did a terrible job of standing up for the

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<v Speaker 1>other side, explaining to you know, people, what's in the

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<v Speaker 1>dang thing and why they should be against it. I

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<v Speaker 1>think because a lot of them didn't understand what was

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<v Speaker 1>in it, or they they realized, Hey, the polling shows

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<v Speaker 1>people want check. So we're just gonna focus on that,

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<v Speaker 1>which is only a tiny portion of the two trillion

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<v Speaker 1>dollar thing that got signed into law yesterday. It's law, now,

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<v Speaker 1>it's over, and UM, I'm just very unhappy about the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing. I wonder, I wonder if people are gonna

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<v Speaker 1>come to know what's in it. One of the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>remakes of our welfare system in our nation's history. The

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<v Speaker 1>whole tying work to welfare that Bill Clinton ushered in

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<v Speaker 1>and Joe Biden voted for is now over. We're remaking

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of a lot a lot of the way

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<v Speaker 1>we look at society, and nobody's paying any attention. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a number of things to say, but first

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<v Speaker 1>let's introduce our beloved guest, lawn Chen David and Diane Stephie,

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<v Speaker 1>fellow in American Public Policy Studies at the Hoover Institution

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<v Speaker 1>and the Director of Domestic Policy Studies at Stanford University

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<v Speaker 1>lan He. How are you, sir? Good morning, gentlemen. We

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<v Speaker 1>understand you've got any vicious argument with somebody on cable

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<v Speaker 1>news this morning. I don't know about a racist argument.

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<v Speaker 1>I just, uh, you know, gently reminded the host of

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<v Speaker 1>the audience that you know, you've got one point nine

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<v Speaker 1>trillion dollars in spending, very little conversation about what's in

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<v Speaker 1>the bill, a constant effort to frame this as, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of bill that's really targeted to those in need,

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<v Speaker 1>when in fact what it is is a It's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the largest pieces of spending in American history. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>For a bunch of really what are progressive wish list

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<v Speaker 1>items disguised as a COVID release package. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's what it is. I think people would be a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit less upset about it if if folks just

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<v Speaker 1>leveled with us every once in a while and told

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<v Speaker 1>us that, you know, actually this is the vehicle we

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<v Speaker 1>want to be used to pass a bunch of policy,

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<v Speaker 1>we wouldn't have been able to pass other one. Un

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<v Speaker 1>that's really what this is about. I heard one pundit

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<v Speaker 1>say that this bill is adjusted for inflation larger than

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<v Speaker 1>all of the spending of the New Deal during the

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<v Speaker 1>Great Depression. Have you heard that I have? And let's

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<v Speaker 1>not forget guys, this comes on top of four trillion

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<v Speaker 1>dollars spending we put it in the economy last year.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've got, you know, another fifty percent on top

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<v Speaker 1>of the four trillion that we did last year. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I just I don't even know where to

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<v Speaker 1>go with this anymore. We know immune to it. You

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<v Speaker 1>were just immune to it. You know, nobody really cares.

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<v Speaker 1>And all you hear is people out there saying, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>spend the money, spend the money. People need to spend

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<v Speaker 1>the money. Well we were. So it's funny your emotions

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<v Speaker 1>seem to be similar to ours, where it's just like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know where to go now. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if you can, if you can pass through into law

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<v Speaker 1>one of the biggest spending bonanzas in our nation's history,

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<v Speaker 1>and it just hardly gets any discussion at all. The

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<v Speaker 1>sort of things like that, that welfare thing that I

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<v Speaker 1>was just talking about. That's the sort of policy that

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<v Speaker 1>you would think takes months, if not years to debate

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<v Speaker 1>in Congress and on cable news in an op ed

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<v Speaker 1>pieces for it to pass, and it's happened, and nobody

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<v Speaker 1>even knows it's even in there. Well. Two things. One,

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<v Speaker 1>even during the height of the recession back in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand nine, Congress still debated what the recovery package should

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<v Speaker 1>look like for months. Uh, this thing was done in

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of weeks, maybe not even that. The second

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<v Speaker 1>thing is, I don't think anybody would have any problem

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<v Speaker 1>at all if you came forward and said, look, we

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<v Speaker 1>want to do a package tailored at people who are

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<v Speaker 1>still suffering because of COVID, whether because they've had COVID

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<v Speaker 1>or they've gotten caught in one of these lockdowns or

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<v Speaker 1>they've lost a small business. I'm totally fine with targeted

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<v Speaker 1>assistance that looks at people who really needed it. But

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<v Speaker 1>they went and they created essentially a giveaway program for

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<v Speaker 1>people making up to a hundred and sixty thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>a year. Now, tell me how that makes any sense

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<v Speaker 1>at all. If you had said to me, look, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to do a package that's targeted at the lower

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<v Speaker 1>income distribution and really make sure that people who are

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<v Speaker 1>unemployed get back on their feet, totally fine, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think you would have gotten thirty Republican votes for that

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<v Speaker 1>at least, maybe more. But when you go out and

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<v Speaker 1>you basically take out of bazooka to kill an aunt,

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<v Speaker 1>this is why people get worked up about it, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's not reasonable. What we're doing is simply not reasonable,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's being disguised as relief, which I think is

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<v Speaker 1>the most difficult thing of all in all of this, right,

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<v Speaker 1>the painful part to me is that what you're saying

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<v Speaker 1>is is clearly true, but most of America has no

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<v Speaker 1>idea it is happening. You know, they have used the

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<v Speaker 1>COVID as an excuse to pat to reform American society

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<v Speaker 1>and the relationship between the people and the government financially,

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<v Speaker 1>and they know exactly what they're doing. And I just

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<v Speaker 1>think the Republican messaging is so bad, so floundering. And

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<v Speaker 1>part of it is that, you know, Trump sucked so

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<v Speaker 1>much of the oxygen out of the room. But you've

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<v Speaker 1>got Kevin McCarthy, who's he seems like a nice enough guy,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's just mediocre. You've got Mitch McConnell, who doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>look like the brave conservative leader who's gonna take us

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<v Speaker 1>into the future. It looks like the guy who's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>cremate my aunt. I mean, just who are who are

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<v Speaker 1>the exciting leaders? Well, you know, I think, um, I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's a couple of things here. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you guys are you make a very good

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<v Speaker 1>observation about Trump, and that is that because Trump was

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<v Speaker 1>the center of attention and he did suck so much

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<v Speaker 1>of the oxygen out of the room, there really was

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<v Speaker 1>for the last couple of years it was really kind

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<v Speaker 1>of Trump or are you against Trump? And we really

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<v Speaker 1>didn't take the time to develop during that during that

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<v Speaker 1>period a sort of certainly on the fiscal conservative side,

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't develop a a real bench of people as

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<v Speaker 1>well as a set of arguments that could resonate with

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<v Speaker 1>the American people. And I think that's a problem also

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<v Speaker 1>because there was some hypocrisy over the last couple of years.

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<v Speaker 1>A most Republicans to you, and all these Republicans stepping

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<v Speaker 1>up ready to spend money because Trump was president, and

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<v Speaker 1>and and that quite simply. You know, people look at

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<v Speaker 1>that now and even people who are skeptical about this

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<v Speaker 1>one point nine trillion dollar bill say, well, where were

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, you know, two years ago when Trump was president?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what, they would be right to level

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<v Speaker 1>that argument, because I do think the hypocrisy is what

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<v Speaker 1>bothers people. It's it's not so much that the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that you're going to stand up for fiscal conservatism. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that you only stand up for fiscal conservatism

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<v Speaker 1>what it's politically compete, and that I think is a

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<v Speaker 1>big problem. Wind Chan of the Hoover Institution, Stanford University

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<v Speaker 1>on the line. Mitch McConnell made the point on the

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<v Speaker 1>floor the other day that that four trillion dollars that

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<v Speaker 1>we spent last year, uh in four different bills, all

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<v Speaker 1>got like eighty votes in the Senate nine votes in

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<v Speaker 1>the Senate and in the House. I mean they were

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<v Speaker 1>way bipartisan. So I just find that interesting on its face.

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<v Speaker 1>But as some of this complaining, like, um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm one, I'm the losing coach here in the n

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<v Speaker 1>C Double A tournament, and I'm complaining that and the

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<v Speaker 1>other team every time they got the ball, they ran

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<v Speaker 1>down to the other end faster than us and put

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<v Speaker 1>it in the basket every time. We're just mad that

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<v Speaker 1>they are better at us and beat us. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the other side's got the votes, they had the chance

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<v Speaker 1>to ram it through. Would I be unhappy if my

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<v Speaker 1>wish list got rammed through on fifty votes while nobody

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<v Speaker 1>was paying any attention. I got all the immigration stuff

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<v Speaker 1>and Social Security reform and all the things that my

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<v Speaker 1>wish list all got through. Would I be unhappy about that?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not. Yeah. Look, they didn't do anything illegal, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they did exactly They did exactly what they

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<v Speaker 1>had to do. They used the procedures and processes available

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<v Speaker 1>to them because they have a majority in the House,

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<v Speaker 1>a majority in the Senate, a functioning majority Senate, and

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<v Speaker 1>they have the presidency. Right, So what does that tell us?

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<v Speaker 1>That tells us that elections have consequences, and we've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about this before, guys, I mean it is. It is

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely true that there are policy implications and ramifications to

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<v Speaker 1>every election, and you're seeing it now, and so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't do anything on toward They did exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>probably politically one would have told them to do. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>you would have hoped that they could have gone together

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<v Speaker 1>with Republicans on this, because everybody loves it, as I've

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<v Speaker 1>noted earlier, at some level, to give away money. I

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<v Speaker 1>am sure if they came back and said, look, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>do a trillion dollar package. We won't do this, giveaway

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<v Speaker 1>the multi employer unions, we won't do this, giveaway a

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<v Speaker 1>three dollars to states in local governments who largely don't

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<v Speaker 1>need it. The Republicans with us, that's fine, Well, let's

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<v Speaker 1>you have your fourteen hundred dollar checks. Even if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to give it to people who are making almost

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred grand a year, that's fine. Republicans probably would

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<v Speaker 1>have caved on that, but they didn't even bother right that.

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<v Speaker 1>The Democrats just said, look, we have the votes, we

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<v Speaker 1>have the political tail with at our back. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to do whatever we want to do, and they used

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<v Speaker 1>the properties of their advantage, and you know, more power

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<v Speaker 1>to them. So we just have a couple of minutes

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<v Speaker 1>left on here. I accidentally kind of watched the entire

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<v Speaker 1>speech by President Biden last night, and it was alternately

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<v Speaker 1>it was like you know, day old room temperature oatmeal,

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<v Speaker 1>interrupted by like biting down on a rock every minute

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<v Speaker 1>and a half, like excruciating pain, interrupting them, boredom and distaste.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you happen to watch that? I did? I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's you know, this is this is who

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<v Speaker 1>this is Joe Biden, right, I mean it's the same

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<v Speaker 1>kind of speech he's given, uh, you know, every other

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<v Speaker 1>time that he's been president. It's the same speech he gave,

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<v Speaker 1>you know when he did set piece speeches during the campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of what we've come to know and expect

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<v Speaker 1>from him. Yeah. It was just heap and helpings of

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<v Speaker 1>mother love, which I don't need from the federal government,

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<v Speaker 1>interrupted by half truth and lies about opening up the schools.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the long and short of it was, if

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<v Speaker 1>you follow all the rules and you wear the masks

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<v Speaker 1>in the resident you can have three people over on

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<v Speaker 1>July of the fourth and I'm thinking the ten of

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<v Speaker 1>Rangers are gonna have a full stadium in two weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're telling me I can invite a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>friends on July the fourth. F you, Well, I'm living

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<v Speaker 1>my life. God, I hated it. Well, this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is the whole thing that bugged me about about the

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<v Speaker 1>entire kind of public health establishment is day you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're giving this guidance, which is it's guidance that feels

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<v Speaker 1>about like six months old, right, and people at that point,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you expect people to do? It gives people

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<v Speaker 1>realistic guidance. If they've been vaccinated and they're hanging out

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<v Speaker 1>with a bunch of other people who have been vaccinated,

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<v Speaker 1>then it seems to me that they can pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>do life as normal. They shouldn't be subject to all

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<v Speaker 1>of these rules and restrictions. And in California we see

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<v Speaker 1>the extreme form of that. Right. It's it's the it's

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<v Speaker 1>the guilty and the shaming if you don't wear a

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<v Speaker 1>mask everywhere you go inside, even if you're hanging out

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<v Speaker 1>with like people that are in your family that have

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<v Speaker 1>well been vaccinated. So you know, this is something I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's one of those things where public health professionals

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<v Speaker 1>really have gotten this one wrong, and unfortunately their guidance

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't been helpful in many cases. And of course the

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<v Speaker 1>mainstream media just praised the speeches as somewhere between Churchill

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<v Speaker 1>and the Gettysburg address made me want to vomit. Lani

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<v Speaker 1>Chen of the Hoover Institution Stanford University, were always grateful

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<v Speaker 1>for your perspective on he thanks, thank you. Great to talk.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never heard him because he's a he's one of

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<v Speaker 1>those people that's just kind of always optimistic and looking forward.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never heard him so down about something. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>two trillion dollar bill pasant with nobody paying any attention

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<v Speaker 1>or caring what's in it? He does you know if

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<v Speaker 1>you're a policy guy like him, I mean, he's the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of guy that sits there with his sleeves rolled

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<v Speaker 1>up late into the night crafting policy for candidates and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. When you find out that, oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>all we needed to do is have the majority, and

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<v Speaker 1>we could have done anything we wanted, just written in,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, make things great and ram it through. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all you needed, no complicated arguments. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>frame this moment in American political history. We need to

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<v Speaker 1>take a break. But when I come back, I am

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<v Speaker 1>going to frame it. It's going to include a reference

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<v Speaker 1>to Hitler, but it will not be a cheap and

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<v Speaker 1>tawdry reference to Hitler. It will be solid. Did you say,

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<v Speaker 1>Mitch McConnell looks like the guy who's gonna cremate your aunt.

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<v Speaker 1>He seems like an undertaker. He doesn't. It's like and

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<v Speaker 1>his manners that of a which short of Urn would

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<v Speaker 1>miss contain your beloved ranch remain. I mean that's his manner.

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<v Speaker 1>I realize he's a genius a strategy in the Senator whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>but in terms of like bringing people to conservatism and

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<v Speaker 1>rallying them and getting gong. Oh no, forget it, please,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll take the Urn in the middle a