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Speaker 1: Chen of the Hoover Institution Stanford University, were always grateful

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Speaker 1: we could have done anything we wanted, just written in,

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Speaker 1: That's all you needed, no complicated arguments. I want to

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Speaker 1: frame this moment in American political history. We need to

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Speaker 1: going to frame it. It's going to include a reference

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Speaker 1: tawdry reference to Hitler. It will be solid. Did you say,

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Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell looks like the guy who's gonna cremate your aunt.

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Speaker 1: He seems like an undertaker. He doesn't. It's like and

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Speaker 1: his manners that of a which short of Urn would

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Speaker 1: miss contain your beloved ranch remain. I mean that's his manner.

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Speaker 1: I realize he's a genius a strategy in the Senator whatever,

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Speaker 1: but in terms of like bringing people to conservatism and

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