Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Inside the
Speaker 1: Studio on iHeart Radio. My name's Jordan runt Dog, But
Speaker 1: enough about me. My guest today is the Queen of
Speaker 1: rock and roll. What else can you say like a
Speaker 1: cherry bomb. She exploded onto the music scene in the
Speaker 1: mid seventies as a member of the pioneering all women
Speaker 1: l a punk rock group, The Runaways, before blazing a
Speaker 1: new trail with their own outfit, the Black Hearts. But
Speaker 1: her bid to start over wasn't easy. Twenty three record
Speaker 1: labels passed on her future classic bad reputation, so she
Speaker 1: and producer Kenny Laguna released the record themselves, selling it
Speaker 1: from the back of Kenny's car. Since then, she's topped
Speaker 1: the charts, found at a record label, and inspired countless
Speaker 1: women and men to pick up a guitar. Now, she's
Speaker 1: reflecting on her legacy on her new album Change Up.
Speaker 1: True to its title, the album's a radical departure, finding
Speaker 1: the amped up icon, revisiting twenty five career spanning cuts
Speaker 1: with an acoustic guitar. Though initially hesitant trader trademark electric
Speaker 1: acts for an acoustic six string class you did the
Speaker 1: new versions of songs like victim of circumstance, soul mates
Speaker 1: of strangers, I Love Playing with Fire, and even Cherry
Speaker 1: Bomb revealed fresh nuances you may have missed in the original.
Speaker 1: The pairing is unexpected, but once you hear it, you
Speaker 1: wonder why she didn't try it years ago. Even without
Speaker 1: a namp, she still rocks. It's my honor to welcome
Speaker 1: Joan jay. I love the new record you just released.
Speaker 1: Change up a new record which you revisit and reimagine
Speaker 1: twenty five of your songs in an acoustic style. Uh.
Speaker 1: Just before the pandemic, you completed a documentary on your life,
Speaker 1: Bad Reputation. Did that put you in a reflective mood?
Speaker 1: What made you decide to take a look back and
Speaker 1: revisit these songs in such a unique way. Oh, I'm
Speaker 1: glad you brought that up. That's perfect introduction to too.
Speaker 1: How this How this happened? When um for the pandemic,
Speaker 1: Like you said, we put out a documentary called Bad Reputation.
Speaker 1: It was actually the brainchild of my niece, Kerry Ann Brinkman,
Speaker 1: who runs Black Heart, really runs our company now, who
Speaker 1: was a three month old kid when I'm when I
Speaker 1: met her. She's actually my niece, And when we did
Speaker 1: the documentary and we were doing the premiers in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: they wanted wanted us to play a couple of songs
Speaker 1: for the audience, you know, as a band. But we
Speaker 1: couldn't really um set up as an electric unit there
Speaker 1: because it wasn't just wasn't you know, a movie a
Speaker 1: movie theater wasn't really set up for that, and we
Speaker 1: wanted to play songs for the audience. So um Kerry
Speaker 1: kind of suggested, let's do a few acoustics, you know,
Speaker 1: but we'll do the whole band, not just like me
Speaker 1: and the guitar player, but the bass player and the drummer.
Speaker 1: So it was we were all there and we did
Speaker 1: a few songs, including badtriputation, and recorded it for posterity, know,
Speaker 1: but it came affully well and I think, you know,
Speaker 1: we didn't know what to expect before we did it,
Speaker 1: and when we did it, it felt great and didn't
Speaker 1: seem to lose anything, you know, if anything, it's kind
Speaker 1: of just I don't know, just it was was very
Speaker 1: interesting to us, you know, it was fun. We enjoyed it. So,
Speaker 1: you know, we did that. Then the pandemic happens and
Speaker 1: you know which was I guess a very introspective and
Speaker 1: quiet and oh my god, are we ever gonna work
Speaker 1: again kind of time. UM, So I think the whole mood.
Speaker 1: I don't know that it contributed necessarily, but it's certainly
Speaker 1: didn't didn't deter it, you know. And last year UM one,
Speaker 1: and this year is the fortieth anniversary of both Bad
Speaker 1: Reputation album and I Love rock and Roll album. So
Speaker 1: we wanted to sort of find a way to to
Speaker 1: give the fans some you know, maybe extra tracks to listen,
Speaker 1: to listen to something different to here, so to mark
Speaker 1: the you know, the forty years and sort of look
Speaker 1: back on some of the songs. And we knew that
Speaker 1: that acoustic thing it just worked, and we thought we'd
Speaker 1: do a few more. Um. We went to the studio
Speaker 1: and as we started playing a bunch of the songs,
Speaker 1: we just kind of kept going and did pretty much
Speaker 1: everything we could do live that we know. UM, and
Speaker 1: that became change up. You know, he started saying, this
Speaker 1: feels like an album. It feels like a good way
Speaker 1: also to mark the forty years by looking at a
Speaker 1: lot of the songs that um, we've done that people
Speaker 1: might not know even exist. You know, so this was
Speaker 1: a great way to so and and a lot of
Speaker 1: the lyrics actually still are very relevant to the time.
Speaker 1: So that was really interesting as well to kind of
Speaker 1: see that and that the that the lyrics are still relevant.
Speaker 1: And two, um, you know it's kind of I believe
Speaker 1: it's more it feels more intimate to me. Yeah, everything
Speaker 1: is stripped away. You know, it's like you're really naked
Speaker 1: there when you're playing the acoustic stuff. At least the
Speaker 1: way we recorded it. You know, there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of effects or things like that, so any mistake is heard.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think that's kind of cool. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't want to sound like you can't play, but
Speaker 1: you also don't want it to be so pristine. I
Speaker 1: think that you that it loses its human feel. Oh absolutely,
Speaker 1: it feels really uh you know, like hopefully like you're
Speaker 1: in the room. And um, we want to be able
Speaker 1: to do some of this live as well, so um,
Speaker 1: we'll see, we're gonna we're gonna be doing that. Um
Speaker 1: this weekend, we have a couple of gigs. We're gonna
Speaker 1: be doing a little bit of both. So intimate is
Speaker 1: the perfect word. I love how your voice is front
Speaker 1: and center. I mean, I feel like, well, by stripping
Speaker 1: back all the instrumentation to these songs, did that allow
Speaker 1: you to find something new in them? Whereas did anything
Speaker 1: surprise you? I think, oh my god, this whole different
Speaker 1: song was in the song I've been playing for so
Speaker 1: many years. Totally, totally. I mean, it's sort of because
Speaker 1: I wanted the vocal energy to sort of match musical
Speaker 1: energy that I had to pull back in some ways,
Speaker 1: you know, and and find different ways to sing some
Speaker 1: of the songs. Um. You know, I didn't want to
Speaker 1: sing them as hard or maybe as high as the
Speaker 1: electric versions called for. Um, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So like one that's particularly suck out to me is
Speaker 1: Victim of Circumstance. Yeah, I mean the whole melody is, Um,
Speaker 1: I guess it's a I guess it's a harmony to
Speaker 1: the to the main melody. I don't really know, because
Speaker 1: I haven't gone through it like that, but um, that
Speaker 1: just kind of popped out. I didn't know what was
Speaker 1: gonna happen, because, you know, we're just sitting down to play,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't even because we weren't there yet knowing
Speaker 1: that this is gonna be an album. You know, we
Speaker 1: were just cutting some tracks to see what works at
Speaker 1: what we could give to the fans. So you know, my, my, my, um.
Speaker 1: Feelings for wanting to do this increased as we played
Speaker 1: this and as we found these little nuggets. It was like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is really you know, this is gonna be fun. Um.
Speaker 1: But it was hard too. It was definitely hard because
Speaker 1: we wanted to get it right. Um. But songs like
Speaker 1: that Victim just popped out, you know, and that doesn't
Speaker 1: always happen. Sometimes you just have to really work for it.
Speaker 1: But that melody is kind of flew out of my mouth,
Speaker 1: and so you know, that one, to me is the
Speaker 1: most obvious. Oh I I love how just the way
Speaker 1: that they're they're reimagined. I mean, songs like Cherry Bomb
Speaker 1: that I've heard, you know, for so many years and
Speaker 1: loved for so many years. For me, it's like a
Speaker 1: whole new song. It's got this whole new almost like
Speaker 1: film noir spooky vibe to it, which is so cool.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you said that because that's exactly what
Speaker 1: I hear. I hear it too, and it's like wow,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a whole new thing for me, and it.
Speaker 1: It feels great. The field is different, and but it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of mysterious and just what you
Speaker 1: said it was a great description. But yeah, so those
Speaker 1: little things are really fun to find in these songs.
Speaker 1: And really they all feel like that to me. You know,
Speaker 1: some I think um more than others, sound, you know,
Speaker 1: a little bit different. You know, some of them you'll
Speaker 1: notice more than others. I guess that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: And there I mean, there are twenty five tracks on
Speaker 1: this album, and there are the ones that you might
Speaker 1: expect bad Reppyta Asian, Cherry Bomb, Crimson and Clover, but
Speaker 1: then you have deeper cuts like Coney Island White Fish,
Speaker 1: which you know, maybe something is a little less expected.
Speaker 1: What was the process like of choosing all these different
Speaker 1: songs throughout Change Up? Well, Uh, we, like I said,
Speaker 1: we did, We looked pretty much two most every album,
Speaker 1: but really focusing on some of the earlier ones and
Speaker 1: just what we could what we had done live in
Speaker 1: the past, and what we could what we could do live,
Speaker 1: because we want to be able to do it live
Speaker 1: as well. We don't just put out a record that
Speaker 1: we can't perform live. So Coney Allen Whitefish is just
Speaker 1: straight up you know, three chord progression and it's fun.
Speaker 1: I think everybody knows one, you know, and it's I
Speaker 1: think it can be fun. It's a fun song to sing,
Speaker 1: and it's also you know, probably a little edgy for
Speaker 1: some people, but it's fun, it's fun to do, and
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's on it's on primetime television for
Speaker 1: pres Say so, you you touched on this a little
Speaker 1: bit earlier, But has the meaning of any of these
Speaker 1: songs changed for you since you first made them? Do
Speaker 1: the words the son of them hit you in a
Speaker 1: different way now than they did maybe when you first
Speaker 1: wrote them. Well, I think, yeah, yeah, things like um,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to have the lyrics reflect where I
Speaker 1: am as a person, and you know that I'm an
Speaker 1: older person, noel, and I'm not eighteen, and I'm not
Speaker 1: um you know in that in that headspace. So any
Speaker 1: words that I ran I can't really think off the
Speaker 1: top of my head. I know there are a few
Speaker 1: in Cherry Bomb and you know where I just had
Speaker 1: to make the lyrics match me now, you know. I
Speaker 1: had to change maybe some tenses or various things that
Speaker 1: just made it feel right to me. You know that.
Speaker 1: I wasn't you know, singing lyrics like I'm going out
Speaker 1: to the club tonight. You've You've talked in the past
Speaker 1: about sort of the two elements or motivators of songwriting.
Speaker 1: One is a connection with other people, and then the
Speaker 1: second one as a as a release, more of a
Speaker 1: catharsis for yourself. I was wondering, just does one side
Speaker 1: went out over the other for you? Is it more
Speaker 1: about connection for you or more about getting these feelings
Speaker 1: out of you when you write a song. Wow, that's
Speaker 1: a good question. I don't know. I think it's probably
Speaker 1: equal equal parts. Um, yeah, I think the connection is big.
Speaker 1: You know, you have to find a because opining about
Speaker 1: something and avoid by by yourself. I mean, you know
Speaker 1: who can relate to that? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It's just like I mean, it's kind of like what
Speaker 1: you what's the point I might as we to sit
Speaker 1: in the room and prove on what I'm doing, you know,
Speaker 1: for myself, for my own sake, you know. So it's
Speaker 1: got to I think, for to to mean something, it's
Speaker 1: gotta to mean something to your own self. You've got
Speaker 1: to be able to connect something else beside yourself. If
Speaker 1: that makes sense. I mean, I don't know how it
Speaker 1: can mean anything if it only means something see you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I suppose you can, but I think that's
Speaker 1: not a way to to Um, you know, for the
Speaker 1: most part, it would be about connection and not just
Speaker 1: in isolation. How's the last two years been for you?
Speaker 1: I know, for a lot of artists it's been tough
Speaker 1: to connect given you know, the lockdown obvious see virtual
Speaker 1: concerts and things have been nice. But how how's the
Speaker 1: adjustment been the last couple of years for you? It's
Speaker 1: it's been. It's weird, you know, it's very weird that
Speaker 1: certainly the first year just not knowing what you know,
Speaker 1: the serious unknowns of it all. And and I know
Speaker 1: we're still in that to to degree, not knowing what
Speaker 1: when well we know, if you know, it's probably going
Speaker 1: to come back, but um, you know, to what degree
Speaker 1: and all that. And last year we did get out
Speaker 1: for a month and a half I think when did
Speaker 1: concerts and it was really great to be out and
Speaker 1: and see people and see them enjoying themselves, and um,
Speaker 1: you know. So I'm looking forward to it and I
Speaker 1: just hope that it, you know, all goes well and
Speaker 1: I think I think it will, but you know, it's well,
Speaker 1: we'll see that everybody, I mean people seem to be
Speaker 1: going to sporting events and all sorts of other kinds
Speaker 1: of events with require you know, closeness, So we'll see.
Speaker 1: And but I'm I'm definitely looking forward to it. And
Speaker 1: we're gonna be doing different size venues as well, because
Speaker 1: we're gonna be doing some of our own shows and
Speaker 1: some smaller buildings, and then the stadium tour is going
Speaker 1: to be those huge stadiums, and so it's gonna be
Speaker 1: fun to try this and maybe somebody's acoustic songs that
Speaker 1: way as well, So we'll see what happens. Oh, that's
Speaker 1: gonna be so cool to hear you do those acoustic
Speaker 1: versions live. Would you ever consider doing another album of
Speaker 1: of acoustic tracks of maybe new original songs. Is that
Speaker 1: something that that you'd be interested in doing? Uh, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know honestly, if I could get
Speaker 1: my you know, if I could work myself up for that,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean possibly, but I mean never say never.
Speaker 1: But I think you know, I'm an electric I'm an
Speaker 1: electric guitar person at heart, and I think that's where
Speaker 1: i'd want to go and I want to stay. But
Speaker 1: I really enjoy visiting this. You know, doing this acoustic
Speaker 1: itself has been really interesting, and I'm we're gonna think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot of fun because we're, like
Speaker 1: I said, it's kind of an unknown you know, I
Speaker 1: haven't really done this before, and I haven't played an
Speaker 1: acoustic guitar in my whole life, and it's a whole
Speaker 1: different it's a different thing than playing electric, you know,
Speaker 1: And so I think that there's it's it's just gonna
Speaker 1: be fun because I'm sure there's gonna be mistakes and
Speaker 1: goofs and it's but I want to have a great
Speaker 1: attitude about it. And and the audience is in on it.
Speaker 1: You know, they're seeing this process too, including the change
Speaker 1: over from electric to acoustic, and explaining to them what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do. I want people to see that because
Speaker 1: so much, you know, for for no reason, it's like
Speaker 1: you know, you only see the oh you you know,
Speaker 1: you don't want to see any sort of blemishes, and
Speaker 1: you know this, you want to we want to. We
Speaker 1: want to show it all and I think it'll be fun,
Speaker 1: and it evolves involves the audience more and then they
Speaker 1: feel part of it connected. Is that? Yeah? Again, I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you more about what your relationship is
Speaker 1: like to the acoustic guitar now because you said in
Speaker 1: the past that you were I don't want to put
Speaker 1: words in are outh but almost resistant to it because
Speaker 1: of of teachers when you first for learning that we're
Speaker 1: trying to kind of push you more in that direction,
Speaker 1: which seems crazy to me that people would try to
Speaker 1: do that to you, but I guess that was what
Speaker 1: people thought. Um. But you know, how how do you
Speaker 1: feel about about the acoustic guitar now? You sort of
Speaker 1: uh made friends with it in a way totally. I
Speaker 1: think I have because I think I was very resistant.
Speaker 1: It was that, but it was all It was much
Speaker 1: more mental than it was a dislike for an acoustic guitar,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was because I was
Speaker 1: being told this is what you know, girls play acoustic guitar.
Speaker 1: You know, it just sort of even if it wasn't
Speaker 1: said out loud, it was imployed. It was implied a lot.
Speaker 1: And so therefore I really kept it on dis since
Speaker 1: it was like out of sight, out of mind, and
Speaker 1: you know, so I didn't own one. I didn't any
Speaker 1: of that, so yeah, definitely making friends with it. Uh.
Speaker 1: They say that when you first are starting out on
Speaker 1: an instrument, you're you're you're trying to be someone else
Speaker 1: before you develop your own style. You know, you're always
Speaker 1: your sort of imitating while you're still learning who you are,
Speaker 1: what your own sound is. Was that the case for you?
Speaker 1: Were there people that you look towards to try to
Speaker 1: try to emulate, like I know you've talked about Paul
Speaker 1: Kossof from Free and All Right now, I mean where
Speaker 1: there's some guitar heroes for you when you first picked
Speaker 1: up the instrument. Well, yeah, well was that particular song
Speaker 1: that because it was a little out of out of
Speaker 1: tune just one pass it was a slightly out of tune,
Speaker 1: or at least it sounded like it to me, and
Speaker 1: for some reason I liked that. But I'd say, t
Speaker 1: Rex Mark Boland, your version of Jeepster, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: your version of Jeepster for the Rock Hall was amazing,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, thank you very much. Yeah, but Mark
Speaker 1: Boland would have been, uh, the one that I was
Speaker 1: trying to emulate, one that I listened to when I
Speaker 1: started to play guitar, and I could kind of play
Speaker 1: you know, bang of gong that you know, those easy
Speaker 1: seemed easy for easier for me to do those octaves
Speaker 1: that done that stuff. So and I had a crush
Speaker 1: on him, and I learned how to scream. That's with
Speaker 1: his screams were the ones that I would emulate because
Speaker 1: you know, people ask, you know, who are you trying
Speaker 1: to copy when you scream? And that's that would be
Speaker 1: who I was trying to copy. This is I know
Speaker 1: Keeps just released an acoustic album, but I have a
Speaker 1: very specific question about an electric guitar. I just thought
Speaker 1: of your your melody maker, you're Gibson. I read that
Speaker 1: you got that from Eric Carmen and that same guitar
Speaker 1: that you used on the first two solo records or
Speaker 1: black Heart's records, was the same one that he used
Speaker 1: them the Raspberries. Is that is that true? That's that's true?
Speaker 1: And you know what it was rumored because we both
Speaker 1: used from the Runaways days. We both had the same
Speaker 1: road crew because the Raspberis were in Ohio band and
Speaker 1: we uh picked up some road crew guys that we
Speaker 1: hired um that were in the Ohio. Um, what it's
Speaker 1: called the Agora Ballrooms. There was like a a bunch
Speaker 1: of ballrooms in the Ohio area that was I guess
Speaker 1: the circuit. And anyway, we had the same guitar roadies,
Speaker 1: and I was looking for an electric guitar because I
Speaker 1: had only had less Paul and it was very heavy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so but I loved it. I didn't want to get
Speaker 1: rid of it. I just needed something else to switch
Speaker 1: off to. So I could, you know, have another guitar.
Speaker 1: So I was able to buy this guitar somehow. You know,
Speaker 1: my crew guy. I knew this guy in a band
Speaker 1: who was trying to get rid of a guitar, and
Speaker 1: it turns out it was Eric Carmen's um. From him,
Speaker 1: you know, from him, he wanted to sell it. He
Speaker 1: was focusing on keyboards, so he sold the guitar. And
Speaker 1: that's the guitar that played on Please Go All the Way,
Speaker 1: and I guess a couple of others right around that time,
Speaker 1: and but also played on my first two albums, so
Speaker 1: all bad reputation, all of Oil of rock and Roll,
Speaker 1: probably then a couple of the next albums. So until
Speaker 1: I finally just took it off the road, was afraid
Speaker 1: it would get broken or stolen or something. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not amazing, and I don't think confirmed it for
Speaker 1: a couple a few years ago for sure that it
Speaker 1: was definitely the case, because he had heard that I
Speaker 1: heard my guitar sold the Joan Jet and and I
Speaker 1: had heard that, you know, I heard that I bought
Speaker 1: her Karma's guitar. But it was finally confirmed that, yes,
Speaker 1: it was the guitar that he played on and I
Speaker 1: played on. So yeah, that's pretty I like that lineage.
Speaker 1: That is so amazing, A lot a lot of history.
Speaker 1: I just I was just visiting the Rock and Roll
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame about two weeks ago, and I saw
Speaker 1: your jacket from the cover of I Love rock and Roll.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's so cool. Yeah. Watching the
Speaker 1: Bad Reputation documentary, I mean, the theme really just seemed
Speaker 1: to be endurance. I mean, you went from from selling
Speaker 1: records out of the back of Kenny's care Too to
Speaker 1: being the head and founder of a label. I mean,
Speaker 1: do those rejections, you know, being rejected by twenty three
Speaker 1: different labels, does that still feel your fire? Do you
Speaker 1: still feel you work better when there's something to sort
Speaker 1: of push up against or pushback against an adversary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying. Yeah, to a degree. I mean,
Speaker 1: but that's just sort of a built in thing in
Speaker 1: in in life, you know. And it's not just rock
Speaker 1: and roll or music with that, you know, sort of
Speaker 1: glass ceiling. Girls can only go this far. You know.
Speaker 1: It's really every every career path. You know. I speak
Speaker 1: to women all the time, and they're like they can
Speaker 1: totally relate to all the things that I discussed. It happen,
Speaker 1: you know, in the music business or show business, and
Speaker 1: so it's it's sort of sort of a universal struggle.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say fight, but you know, it's
Speaker 1: something that you you have to always work for. You've
Speaker 1: plays the trail for just so many I mean, are
Speaker 1: there people out there now who you really feel are
Speaker 1: are carrying the torch now? I mean you've worked with Miley,
Speaker 1: cyrus L King, I mean, so many great folks who
Speaker 1: are out there. Do you feel, really, uh, carrying the
Speaker 1: torch and paying it forward for rock and roll? You know,
Speaker 1: I don't get out to see enough bands that you know,
Speaker 1: I should. I should, really, I I'm not exposed to
Speaker 1: a lot of rock and roll stuff. I'm not seeing
Speaker 1: that so much. You know, Um, I know what's out
Speaker 1: there though, because every place I go they're they're girl
Speaker 1: rock and roll bands. In fact, um one of the
Speaker 1: bands on our label Faya there they were an all
Speaker 1: girl band. They were girls in a coma and now
Speaker 1: they're called Faya and they're from San Antonio. There on
Speaker 1: the on the road constantly make great records. Also, um
Speaker 1: our lighting designer as a band called jack Knife Stiletto
Speaker 1: and she has put out records UM and touring and
Speaker 1: doing work when she's not working with us. So those
Speaker 1: are ones that I'm close to and know about and
Speaker 1: you know, so but I know they're in every city,
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about you know, sweaty white rock and
Speaker 1: roll um stuff, and so I'd like to see more
Speaker 1: of that, get um sort of more eyeballs wherever wherever
Speaker 1: it is, whether it's you know, traditional press or online,
Speaker 1: you know, because it's um to me, it's rock and
Speaker 1: rolls are very valid musical expression and still out there,
Speaker 1: and uh so I don't know if to still fight
Speaker 1: for it right on. I got a bunch of friends
Speaker 1: out here in Brooklyn that are are playing d I
Speaker 1: Y Venues above a pickle factory you know out in
Speaker 1: uh in Bushwick. So yeah, still trying to make music
Speaker 1: when they can. And uh I guess my my my
Speaker 1: last question for you, mean, you've been an inspiration to
Speaker 1: so many. Is there a tribute that's meant the most
Speaker 1: to you, Either an actual award or props from a
Speaker 1: fellow artist, or even just something that a fan said
Speaker 1: to you, you know, after a show in the you know,
Speaker 1: behind the theater or something. Is there something that you
Speaker 1: really when you're having a bad day, you can think
Speaker 1: of that moment and think, you know what that really
Speaker 1: just sort of turns your day around. Um No, I
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think really that I would look
Speaker 1: to you know, awards or anything like that too for
Speaker 1: to feel better, to feel validated, because I never did
Speaker 1: it for those reasons, you know. I did it for
Speaker 1: the that were that connection. Again, I couldn't pick just one.
Speaker 1: There have been tons of fans that have said such
Speaker 1: moving things to me. I mean, really it really shows you.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you strip away the you part of it,
Speaker 1: you know, nothing to do with me, just that music
Speaker 1: is so healing, and so is medicine. You know, it
Speaker 1: gets people to really tough stuff, and you're like amazed
Speaker 1: that that it's you that someone chose to heal them
Speaker 1: or whatever the music does for them. And it's it's
Speaker 1: really very humbling to me at its root, it's very
Speaker 1: that's very humbling and really, um you know, musicians that
Speaker 1: tell me that they are inspired by me, it's just
Speaker 1: I'm I get amazed, you know, whether it's somebody that's
Speaker 1: known or not known. It's it's a reciprocal thing. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like I am inspired by them as well, you know.
Speaker 1: And so but it's not I couldn't pick one person
Speaker 1: for you in one situation. And my friend Kenny, you know,
Speaker 1: he validates me the fact that he believed in me
Speaker 1: when he did and nobody else did and nobody would
Speaker 1: give me a shot, and that he you know, put
Speaker 1: it all on the line. He put is um you know,
Speaker 1: baby infants college, child fund into into me. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like, um, so, you know I knew he was
Speaker 1: all in, and that's um. It can be a little
Speaker 1: scary too, because it's like wow, You're like, Wow, I better,
Speaker 1: I better be good. I'm better get out there and work,
Speaker 1: you know. But um so that but that's the beginning
Speaker 1: of it. So, I mean, I would have to say Kenny, Um,
Speaker 1: Kenny's belief in the post Runaways would be probably the
Speaker 1: starting point, you know, for just knowing even what that
Speaker 1: feels like to have someone even me and and fight
Speaker 1: for me and get piste off, you know, like like
Speaker 1: I would get Piste off for you know, saying, you know,
Speaker 1: some stupid girl remarks or something, and that to see
Speaker 1: that firing him and him him realizing that, you know,
Speaker 1: your friends weren't gonna help you, nobody was gonna give
Speaker 1: you a break. Now you're feeling when I'm feeling, what
Speaker 1: it feels like to be a girl or a woman
Speaker 1: in music and to have that, you know, that hand
Speaker 1: in your face. And you know, I think Kenny might
Speaker 1: have been used to it to a degree in his
Speaker 1: own career because you know, everything doesn't always go great,
Speaker 1: you know. So he had had a couple of downs,
Speaker 1: but he had quite a lot of ups. So um,
Speaker 1: you know I trusted him that he knew what he
Speaker 1: was doing and he paid attention when you know he's
Speaker 1: in bands and to what's going on. And uh so
Speaker 1: you know I felt very comfort it by that, you
Speaker 1: know that he was all in and you know, he
Speaker 1: was a musician and played with me, and I feel
Speaker 1: funny talking about you when you're right there, but um,
Speaker 1: that's true. I'm not and I'm not saying it because
Speaker 1: he's sitting there either. We should all be so lucky
Speaker 1: to have a friend like that and someone to believe
Speaker 1: in us like that. It's a beautiful answer. Thank you
Speaker 1: for that, you know. I mean, I don't know what
Speaker 1: would be going on if uh we hadn't met, you know,
Speaker 1: for real? Huh, Joan Jett, you are an inspiration. You're
Speaker 1: a hero. Thank you so much for your time today,
Speaker 1: and most importantly, thank you for your music. It's been
Speaker 1: such an honor speaking you. Thank you, Juan, Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for having me. We hope you enjoyed this
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