WEBVTT - Joan Jett 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:04.400 Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Inside the 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:07.520 Studio on iHeart Radio. My name's Jordan runt Dog, But 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:10.360 enough about me. My guest today is the Queen of 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:12.600 rock and roll. What else can you say like a 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:15.200 cherry bomb. She exploded onto the music scene in the 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:17.840 mid seventies as a member of the pioneering all women 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:20.840 l a punk rock group, The Runaways, before blazing a 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.680 new trail with their own outfit, the Black Hearts. But 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:26.880 her bid to start over wasn't easy. Twenty three record 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:30.560 labels passed on her future classic bad reputation, so she 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:33.960 and producer Kenny Laguna released the record themselves, selling it 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:37.360 from the back of Kenny's car. Since then, she's topped 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:40.680 the charts, found at a record label, and inspired countless 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:43.600 women and men to pick up a guitar. Now, she's 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:46.279 reflecting on her legacy on her new album Change Up. 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:50.120 True to its title, the album's a radical departure, finding 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:53.680 the amped up icon, revisiting twenty five career spanning cuts 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:58.040 with an acoustic guitar. Though initially hesitant trader trademark electric 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:01.440 acts for an acoustic six string class you did the 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:04.559 new versions of songs like victim of circumstance, soul mates 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.520 of strangers, I Love Playing with Fire, and even Cherry 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:10.360 Bomb revealed fresh nuances you may have missed in the original. 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:13.240 The pairing is unexpected, but once you hear it, you 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:16.080 wonder why she didn't try it years ago. Even without 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:19.040 a namp, she still rocks. It's my honor to welcome 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:27.400 Joan jay. I love the new record you just released. 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:30.840 Change up a new record which you revisit and reimagine 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:34.080 twenty five of your songs in an acoustic style. Uh. 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:37.040 Just before the pandemic, you completed a documentary on your life, 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:40.320 Bad Reputation. Did that put you in a reflective mood? 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:42.440 What made you decide to take a look back and 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:45.520 revisit these songs in such a unique way. Oh, I'm 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:49.000 glad you brought that up. That's perfect introduction to too. 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:54.880 How this How this happened? When um for the pandemic, 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:58.800 Like you said, we put out a documentary called Bad Reputation. 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:04.040 It was actually the brainchild of my niece, Kerry Ann Brinkman, 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:08.519 who runs Black Heart, really runs our company now, who 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:10.840 was a three month old kid when I'm when I 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:15.760 met her. She's actually my niece, And when we did 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:19.880 the documentary and we were doing the premiers in Los Angeles, 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:22.520 they wanted wanted us to play a couple of songs 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:26.280 for the audience, you know, as a band. But we 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:31.200 couldn't really um set up as an electric unit there 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:33.960 because it wasn't just wasn't you know, a movie a 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:36.760 movie theater wasn't really set up for that, and we 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:42.120 wanted to play songs for the audience. So um Kerry 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:45.560 kind of suggested, let's do a few acoustics, you know, 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:47.920 but we'll do the whole band, not just like me 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:51.160 and the guitar player, but the bass player and the drummer. 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:53.959 So it was we were all there and we did 0:02:54.040 --> 0:03:00.160 a few songs, including badtriputation, and recorded it for posterity, know, 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:03.280 but it came affully well and I think, you know, 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:05.200 we didn't know what to expect before we did it, 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:08.760 and when we did it, it felt great and didn't 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:14.040 seem to lose anything, you know, if anything, it's kind 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:18.040 of just I don't know, just it was was very 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:22.120 interesting to us, you know, it was fun. We enjoyed it. So, 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:24.680 you know, we did that. Then the pandemic happens and 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.160 you know which was I guess a very introspective and 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:31.959 quiet and oh my god, are we ever gonna work 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:39.080 again kind of time. UM, So I think the whole mood. 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:43.720 I don't know that it contributed necessarily, but it's certainly 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:51.520 didn't didn't deter it, you know. And last year UM one, 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:55.640 and this year is the fortieth anniversary of both Bad 0:03:55.680 --> 0:04:00.120 Reputation album and I Love rock and Roll album. So 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.720 we wanted to sort of find a way to to 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:09.080 give the fans some you know, maybe extra tracks to listen, 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:12.560 to listen to something different to here, so to mark 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:14.880 the you know, the forty years and sort of look 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:17.600 back on some of the songs. And we knew that 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.080 that acoustic thing it just worked, and we thought we'd 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:23.880 do a few more. Um. We went to the studio 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:28.360 and as we started playing a bunch of the songs, 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:32.159 we just kind of kept going and did pretty much 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:36.760 everything we could do live that we know. UM, and 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:40.880 that became change up. You know, he started saying, this 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:42.920 feels like an album. It feels like a good way 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:48.000 also to mark the forty years by looking at a 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:51.359 lot of the songs that um, we've done that people 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:55.680 might not know even exist. You know, so this was 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:57.560 a great way to so and and a lot of 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:02.279 the lyrics actually still are very relevant to the time. 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:05.480 So that was really interesting as well to kind of 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:09.520 see that and that the that the lyrics are still relevant. 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:14.320 And two, um, you know it's kind of I believe 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:18.840 it's more it feels more intimate to me. Yeah, everything 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:21.480 is stripped away. You know, it's like you're really naked 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:24.520 there when you're playing the acoustic stuff. At least the 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.680 way we recorded it. You know, there's not a lot 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:32.279 of effects or things like that, so any mistake is heard. 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:37.160 And you know, I think that's kind of cool. You know, 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:40.080 you don't want to sound like you can't play, but 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:42.640 you also don't want it to be so pristine. I 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:47.400 think that you that it loses its human feel. Oh absolutely, 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:50.320 it feels really uh you know, like hopefully like you're 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:52.600 in the room. And um, we want to be able 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.719 to do some of this live as well, so um, 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:58.800 we'll see, we're gonna we're gonna be doing that. Um 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:00.839 this weekend, we have a couple of gigs. We're gonna 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:04.800 be doing a little bit of both. So intimate is 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.080 the perfect word. I love how your voice is front 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:09.359 and center. I mean, I feel like, well, by stripping 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:12.000 back all the instrumentation to these songs, did that allow 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:14.680 you to find something new in them? Whereas did anything 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.160 surprise you? I think, oh my god, this whole different 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:18.919 song was in the song I've been playing for so 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:23.080 many years. Totally, totally. I mean, it's sort of because 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:27.080 I wanted the vocal energy to sort of match musical 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:29.920 energy that I had to pull back in some ways, 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:33.919 you know, and and find different ways to sing some 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.680 of the songs. Um. You know, I didn't want to 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:40.440 sing them as hard or maybe as high as the 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:43.640 electric versions called for. Um, you know what I mean. 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:46.800 So like one that's particularly suck out to me is 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:52.159 Victim of Circumstance. Yeah, I mean the whole melody is, Um, 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:54.279 I guess it's a I guess it's a harmony to 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:56.560 the to the main melody. I don't really know, because 0:06:56.600 --> 0:07:00.960 I haven't gone through it like that, but um, that 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:03.120 just kind of popped out. I didn't know what was 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.800 gonna happen, because, you know, we're just sitting down to play, 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:10.960 and I wasn't even because we weren't there yet knowing 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:12.680 that this is gonna be an album. You know, we 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.400 were just cutting some tracks to see what works at 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:22.120 what we could give to the fans. So you know, my, my, my, um. 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:28.239 Feelings for wanting to do this increased as we played 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:33.080 this and as we found these little nuggets. It was like, wow, 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:38.640 this is really you know, this is gonna be fun. Um. 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:41.960 But it was hard too. It was definitely hard because 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:45.760 we wanted to get it right. Um. But songs like 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:49.160 that Victim just popped out, you know, and that doesn't 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:52.080 always happen. Sometimes you just have to really work for it. 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.880 But that melody is kind of flew out of my mouth, 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.960 and so you know, that one, to me is the 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:02.680 most obvious. Oh I I love how just the way 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:05.320 that they're they're reimagined. I mean, songs like Cherry Bomb 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:07.240 that I've heard, you know, for so many years and 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:08.960 loved for so many years. For me, it's like a 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:10.880 whole new song. It's got this whole new almost like 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:14.400 film noir spooky vibe to it, which is so cool. 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:17.240 I'm so glad you said that because that's exactly what 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:19.840 I hear. I hear it too, and it's like wow, 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:22.800 you know, it's a whole new thing for me, and it. 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:27.760 It feels great. The field is different, and but it's 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:32.160 you know, it's kind of mysterious and just what you 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.280 said it was a great description. But yeah, so those 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:39.240 little things are really fun to find in these songs. 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.440 And really they all feel like that to me. You know, 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:48.160 some I think um more than others, sound, you know, 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:50.200 a little bit different. You know, some of them you'll 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:54.200 notice more than others. I guess that's what I mean. 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.040 And there I mean, there are twenty five tracks on 0:08:57.080 --> 0:08:58.880 this album, and there are the ones that you might 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:01.960 expect bad Reppyta Asian, Cherry Bomb, Crimson and Clover, but 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:05.040 then you have deeper cuts like Coney Island White Fish, 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:08.000 which you know, maybe something is a little less expected. 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:10.440 What was the process like of choosing all these different 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:16.320 songs throughout Change Up? Well, Uh, we, like I said, 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:22.120 we did, We looked pretty much two most every album, 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:26.440 but really focusing on some of the earlier ones and 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:29.200 just what we could what we had done live in 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:32.240 the past, and what we could what we could do live, 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.880 because we want to be able to do it live 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:37.840 as well. We don't just put out a record that 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:42.440 we can't perform live. So Coney Allen Whitefish is just 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:46.079 straight up you know, three chord progression and it's fun. 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:50.280 I think everybody knows one, you know, and it's I 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:52.680 think it can be fun. It's a fun song to sing, 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:57.400 and it's also you know, probably a little edgy for 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:01.240 some people, but it's fun, it's fun to do, and 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.679 it's you know, it's on it's on primetime television for 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:20.760 pres Say so, you you touched on this a little 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.000 bit earlier, But has the meaning of any of these 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:25.520 songs changed for you since you first made them? Do 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:27.320 the words the son of them hit you in a 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:29.320 different way now than they did maybe when you first 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:41.000 wrote them. Well, I think, yeah, yeah, things like um, 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:45.040 I just wanted to have the lyrics reflect where I 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:48.200 am as a person, and you know that I'm an 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:51.640 older person, noel, and I'm not eighteen, and I'm not 0:10:52.360 --> 0:11:00.200 um you know in that in that headspace. So any 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:02.040 words that I ran I can't really think off the 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:03.720 top of my head. I know there are a few 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:06.360 in Cherry Bomb and you know where I just had 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:10.280 to make the lyrics match me now, you know. I 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:14.640 had to change maybe some tenses or various things that 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:18.240 just made it feel right to me. You know that. 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:25.040 I wasn't you know, singing lyrics like I'm going out 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.800 to the club tonight. You've You've talked in the past 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:31.240 about sort of the two elements or motivators of songwriting. 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.240 One is a connection with other people, and then the 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.280 second one as a as a release, more of a 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:39.360 catharsis for yourself. I was wondering, just does one side 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.280 went out over the other for you? Is it more 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:44.480 about connection for you or more about getting these feelings 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.840 out of you when you write a song. Wow, that's 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:50.560 a good question. I don't know. I think it's probably 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:56.439 equal equal parts. Um, yeah, I think the connection is big. 0:11:56.679 --> 0:12:01.360 You know, you have to find a because opining about 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:06.960 something and avoid by by yourself. I mean, you know 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:08.719 who can relate to that? You know what I mean? 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.360 It's just like I mean, it's kind of like what 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.200 you what's the point I might as we to sit 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:16.200 in the room and prove on what I'm doing, you know, 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:18.480 for myself, for my own sake, you know. So it's 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:22.719 got to I think, for to to mean something, it's 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:26.199 gotta to mean something to your own self. You've got 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:30.520 to be able to connect something else beside yourself. If 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:34.280 that makes sense. I mean, I don't know how it 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:38.440 can mean anything if it only means something see you. 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:44.439 I mean, I suppose you can, but I think that's 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:47.880 not a way to to Um, you know, for the 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:50.240 most part, it would be about connection and not just 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:55.120 in isolation. How's the last two years been for you? 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:57.000 I know, for a lot of artists it's been tough 0:12:57.040 --> 0:13:00.640 to connect given you know, the lockdown obvious see virtual 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:03.600 concerts and things have been nice. But how how's the 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:06.839 adjustment been the last couple of years for you? It's 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:09.880 it's been. It's weird, you know, it's very weird that 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:13.400 certainly the first year just not knowing what you know, 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:17.440 the serious unknowns of it all. And and I know 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:21.760 we're still in that to to degree, not knowing what 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:24.400 when well we know, if you know, it's probably going 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:27.200 to come back, but um, you know, to what degree 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:31.800 and all that. And last year we did get out 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:34.640 for a month and a half I think when did 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.480 concerts and it was really great to be out and 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:44.160 and see people and see them enjoying themselves, and um, 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:49.240 you know. So I'm looking forward to it and I 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:52.600 just hope that it, you know, all goes well and 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:59.440 I think I think it will, but you know, it's well, 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.600 we'll see that everybody, I mean people seem to be 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:05.520 going to sporting events and all sorts of other kinds 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:10.600 of events with require you know, closeness, So we'll see. 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.199 And but I'm I'm definitely looking forward to it. And 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.040 we're gonna be doing different size venues as well, because 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:18.199 we're gonna be doing some of our own shows and 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:22.280 some smaller buildings, and then the stadium tour is going 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:25.960 to be those huge stadiums, and so it's gonna be 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:30.160 fun to try this and maybe somebody's acoustic songs that 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:33.160 way as well, So we'll see what happens. Oh, that's 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:36.240 gonna be so cool to hear you do those acoustic 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:39.960 versions live. Would you ever consider doing another album of 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:42.800 of acoustic tracks of maybe new original songs. Is that 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:47.280 something that that you'd be interested in doing? Uh, I 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:50.000 don't know. I don't know honestly, if I could get 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:53.440 my you know, if I could work myself up for that, 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:56.440 you know, I mean possibly, but I mean never say never. 0:14:56.600 --> 0:15:01.360 But I think you know, I'm an electric I'm an 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:04.480 electric guitar person at heart, and I think that's where 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:08.200 i'd want to go and I want to stay. But 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:12.680 I really enjoy visiting this. You know, doing this acoustic 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:16.720 itself has been really interesting, and I'm we're gonna think 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.400 it's gonna be a lot of fun because we're, like 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:21.600 I said, it's kind of an unknown you know, I 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:25.040 haven't really done this before, and I haven't played an 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:27.200 acoustic guitar in my whole life, and it's a whole 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:29.720 different it's a different thing than playing electric, you know, 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:34.440 And so I think that there's it's it's just gonna 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:38.400 be fun because I'm sure there's gonna be mistakes and 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.480 goofs and it's but I want to have a great 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:45.400 attitude about it. And and the audience is in on it. 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:49.320 You know, they're seeing this process too, including the change 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:52.000 over from electric to acoustic, and explaining to them what 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:55.560 we're gonna do. I want people to see that because 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:58.520 so much, you know, for for no reason, it's like 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:01.120 you know, you only see the oh you you know, 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.760 you don't want to see any sort of blemishes, and 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.200 you know this, you want to we want to. We 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:09.960 want to show it all and I think it'll be fun, 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.080 and it evolves involves the audience more and then they 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:18.400 feel part of it connected. Is that? Yeah? Again, I 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:20.760 wanted to ask you more about what your relationship is 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:23.400 like to the acoustic guitar now because you said in 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:25.560 the past that you were I don't want to put 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:27.560 words in are outh but almost resistant to it because 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:30.560 of of teachers when you first for learning that we're 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:32.720 trying to kind of push you more in that direction, 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:36.800 which seems crazy to me that people would try to 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:39.760 do that to you, but I guess that was what 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.160 people thought. Um. But you know, how how do you 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.560 feel about about the acoustic guitar now? You sort of 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:48.040 uh made friends with it in a way totally. I 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:51.440 think I have because I think I was very resistant. 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:53.920 It was that, but it was all It was much 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:59.000 more mental than it was a dislike for an acoustic guitar, 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:01.720 you know what I mean. It was because I was 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:04.399 being told this is what you know, girls play acoustic guitar. 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:07.520 You know, it just sort of even if it wasn't 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:11.080 said out loud, it was imployed. It was implied a lot. 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:16.040 And so therefore I really kept it on dis since 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:18.240 it was like out of sight, out of mind, and 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:20.840 you know, so I didn't own one. I didn't any 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:25.960 of that, so yeah, definitely making friends with it. Uh. 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:28.000 They say that when you first are starting out on 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.840 an instrument, you're you're you're trying to be someone else 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:33.200 before you develop your own style. You know, you're always 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:36.200 your sort of imitating while you're still learning who you are, 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:38.959 what your own sound is. Was that the case for you? 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:40.959 Were there people that you look towards to try to 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:44.000 try to emulate, like I know you've talked about Paul 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.640 Kossof from Free and All Right now, I mean where 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:48.760 there's some guitar heroes for you when you first picked 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:52.240 up the instrument. Well, yeah, well was that particular song 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:55.280 that because it was a little out of out of 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:58.760 tune just one pass it was a slightly out of tune, 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.280 or at least it sounded like it to me, and 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:05.240 for some reason I liked that. But I'd say, t 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:09.960 Rex Mark Boland, your version of Jeepster, Oh my gosh, 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.800 your version of Jeepster for the Rock Hall was amazing, 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.320 Oh my gosh, thank you very much. Yeah, but Mark 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:17.800 Boland would have been, uh, the one that I was 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:21.080 trying to emulate, one that I listened to when I 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:24.560 started to play guitar, and I could kind of play 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:27.680 you know, bang of gong that you know, those easy 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:31.720 seemed easy for easier for me to do those octaves 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:37.439 that done that stuff. So and I had a crush 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:40.440 on him, and I learned how to scream. That's with 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:44.160 his screams were the ones that I would emulate because 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.840 you know, people ask, you know, who are you trying 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.800 to copy when you scream? And that's that would be 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:54.760 who I was trying to copy. This is I know 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:57.639 Keeps just released an acoustic album, but I have a 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:00.520 very specific question about an electric guitar. I just thought 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:04.199 of your your melody maker, you're Gibson. I read that 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:06.879 you got that from Eric Carmen and that same guitar 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:09.800 that you used on the first two solo records or 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.080 black Heart's records, was the same one that he used 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:15.080 them the Raspberries. Is that is that true? That's that's true? 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:18.040 And you know what it was rumored because we both 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:21.879 used from the Runaways days. We both had the same 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:26.679 road crew because the Raspberis were in Ohio band and 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:31.399 we uh picked up some road crew guys that we 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:36.800 hired um that were in the Ohio. Um, what it's 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:40.240 called the Agora Ballrooms. There was like a a bunch 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:43.960 of ballrooms in the Ohio area that was I guess 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:48.400 the circuit. And anyway, we had the same guitar roadies, 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:54.000 and I was looking for an electric guitar because I 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:58.520 had only had less Paul and it was very heavy. Yeah, 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:01.240 so but I loved it. I didn't want to get 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:03.359 rid of it. I just needed something else to switch 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:05.720 off to. So I could, you know, have another guitar. 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:10.439 So I was able to buy this guitar somehow. You know, 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:15.840 my crew guy. I knew this guy in a band 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:18.040 who was trying to get rid of a guitar, and 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:21.800 it turns out it was Eric Carmen's um. From him, 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:23.520 you know, from him, he wanted to sell it. He 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:27.239 was focusing on keyboards, so he sold the guitar. And 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:30.160 that's the guitar that played on Please Go All the Way, 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:33.760 and I guess a couple of others right around that time, 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:37.480 and but also played on my first two albums, so 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:40.840 all bad reputation, all of Oil of rock and Roll, 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:45.119 probably then a couple of the next albums. So until 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:47.240 I finally just took it off the road, was afraid 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:51.160 it would get broken or stolen or something. But yeah, 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:54.959 it's not amazing, and I don't think confirmed it for 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:58.000 a couple a few years ago for sure that it 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:01.720 was definitely the case, because he had heard that I 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:06.320 heard my guitar sold the Joan Jet and and I 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:09.359 had heard that, you know, I heard that I bought 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:12.760 her Karma's guitar. But it was finally confirmed that, yes, 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:16.760 it was the guitar that he played on and I 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:21.040 played on. So yeah, that's pretty I like that lineage. 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:24.280 That is so amazing, A lot a lot of history. 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:26.280 I just I was just visiting the Rock and Roll 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:28.920 Hall of Fame about two weeks ago, and I saw 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:32.199 your jacket from the cover of I Love rock and Roll. 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:45.760 I mean, it's just it's so cool. Yeah. Watching the 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:48.800 Bad Reputation documentary, I mean, the theme really just seemed 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:51.439 to be endurance. I mean, you went from from selling 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:54.240 records out of the back of Kenny's care Too to 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:56.600 being the head and founder of a label. I mean, 0:21:57.080 --> 0:22:00.840 do those rejections, you know, being rejected by twenty three 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:03.960 different labels, does that still feel your fire? Do you 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:06.160 still feel you work better when there's something to sort 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:09.680 of push up against or pushback against an adversary. Yeah, 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:12.160 I know what you're saying. Yeah, to a degree. I mean, 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:15.120 but that's just sort of a built in thing in 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:18.440 in in life, you know. And it's not just rock 0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:21.320 and roll or music with that, you know, sort of 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:24.280 glass ceiling. Girls can only go this far. You know. 0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:28.160 It's really every every career path. You know. I speak 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:30.720 to women all the time, and they're like they can 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:35.359 totally relate to all the things that I discussed. It happen, 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:38.439 you know, in the music business or show business, and 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:46.600 so it's it's sort of sort of a universal struggle. 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:48.560 I don't want to say fight, but you know, it's 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:52.760 something that you you have to always work for. You've 0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:55.679 plays the trail for just so many I mean, are 0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:58.160 there people out there now who you really feel are 0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:01.159 are carrying the torch now? I mean you've worked with Miley, 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:03.760 cyrus L King, I mean, so many great folks who 0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:07.040 are out there. Do you feel, really, uh, carrying the 0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:11.000 torch and paying it forward for rock and roll? You know, 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:15.879 I don't get out to see enough bands that you know, 0:23:15.960 --> 0:23:20.200 I should. I should, really, I I'm not exposed to 0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:22.280 a lot of rock and roll stuff. I'm not seeing 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:26.840 that so much. You know, Um, I know what's out 0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:30.359 there though, because every place I go they're they're girl 0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:34.080 rock and roll bands. In fact, um one of the 0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:40.720 bands on our label Faya there they were an all 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:44.040