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Speaker 1: The Volume.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to you, Jenkins and Johns Podcast Network.

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Speaker 3: Uh it is Thursday, December nineteenth, and your host in

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Speaker 3: various states of hair decay.

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Speaker 2: We're just disgusting with.

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Speaker 1: John rather just said that little fuzz started in the

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Speaker 1: back of my shit. I'm like, yeah, it's a time.

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Speaker 1: She's like, don't say it, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: They don't lay down quite like it used to. Bro.

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Speaker 4: Yikes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not gonna look directly down right now with

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Speaker 3: the studio lights because you would see some of it

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Speaker 3: reflecting off of the dome.

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Speaker 5: Brother.

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Speaker 4: I have an off camera hairline, but not an on

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Speaker 4: camera hairline.

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Speaker 1: Like it's a cool off camera, but on camera, you know,

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Speaker 1: so like yeah, but but.

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Speaker 4: Back here, Brow, when it's here, it might be about

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Speaker 4: that time, brother, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: All Right, We're very excited to be joined today by

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Speaker 3: Jason Timf of Hoops Tonight, our Volume teammate.

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Speaker 2: Jason, Thank you so much for hopping on, Bro.

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Speaker 5: What's up, guys, It's great to see you.

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Speaker 6: This is one of my favorite shows to come on,

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Speaker 6: So I've been looking forward while and we have so

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Speaker 6: much We have so much interesting stuff to get into

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Speaker 6: we do.

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna skip straight through the intro. We're just

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Speaker 3: gonna get right to it.

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Speaker 2: Yo kich is a better offensive player than Lebron ever was.

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Speaker 6: So I need to clarify something off the top, which

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Speaker 6: is I don't think jokicch is as good as Lebron

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Speaker 6: was at his peak overall. I like, I think there's

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Speaker 6: just a there's a huge transition and defense element with Lebron,

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Speaker 6: and Lebron was nearly this good offensively when he was

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Speaker 6: at his best. The main thing for me, there's this

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Speaker 6: lack of variance that comes with Jokic. You remember with

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Speaker 6: Lebron where it was like, Okay, if his jumper's not

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Speaker 6: going in, he's still the best player in the world,

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Speaker 6: but it feels like it's kind of closer. But then

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Speaker 6: on the nights when Lebron had his jumper going, it

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Speaker 6: was like you just get to lose, Like there's just

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Speaker 6: nothing anybody could do with the guy, right, And because

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Speaker 6: Jokic just depends on so many of these shorter range

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Speaker 6: shots that don't have a lot of variants. There's a

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Speaker 6: stat that Synergy has. It's called score percentage. It just

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Speaker 6: takes the percentage of possessions that end in points and

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Speaker 6: basically what ends up happening is when you get into

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Speaker 6: these late game situations with Jokic because there's no variance

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Speaker 6: because it's all these like little short hook shots and floaters,

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Speaker 6: and even his jump shot it usually is like a

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Speaker 6: turn and face like kind of ten twelve footer kind

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Speaker 6: of thing. He just doesn't have much variance, so he

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Speaker 6: just feels more like a sure thing on a possession

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Speaker 6: by possession to generate offense. And really that's what it

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Speaker 6: is is when when I watched the Nuggets, regardless of

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Speaker 6: surrounding talent, I can't ever remember watching a player, including Lebron,

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Speaker 6: who made it look this easy to generate great shots.

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Speaker 6: And again, Lebron's close on that front, I think there

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Speaker 6: was a little bit more variance with Lebron. Lebron I

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Speaker 6: think was as good of a playmaker as Jokic, and

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Speaker 6: I think Lebron in the large sample was as effective

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Speaker 6: as a score But in the small sample, there's just

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Speaker 6: this thing with Jokic where it's like everything is so

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Speaker 6: methodical and so dependable that it just feels like they

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Speaker 6: scored on seven straight possessions at the end of that

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Speaker 6: Kings game the other night, seven possessions in a row.

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Speaker 6: You remember the Jamal Murray game winner in Game two

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Speaker 6: of the of the first round series last year, they

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Speaker 6: scored on nine of their last ten possessions. Like it's

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Speaker 6: so methodical and it's so unstoppable, and that to me

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Speaker 6: is like just that difference. Again, not the same type

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Speaker 6: of player in the big picture, but strictly looking at

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Speaker 6: the lens of creating shots on offense, I don't think

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Speaker 6: I've ever seen anybody do it as easily as he

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Speaker 7: So your argument would be that Jokic is a more

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Speaker 7: efficient point generator basically than.

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Speaker 6: Lebron on this singular possession. So like you know how,

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Speaker 6: like you know how, like these analytics nerds have just

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Speaker 6: gotten they just dove into this like large sample. Let's

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Speaker 6: we're gonna get all these threes and it's gonna be

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Speaker 6: worth more points per possession in this massive sample, right. Well,

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Speaker 6: like the Yokich thing is all about the small sample

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Speaker 6: because his shots just like he shoots seventy percent on

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Speaker 6: hooks and floaters seventy percent. So like if you leave

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Speaker 6: him in single coverage in the post, it's not just

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Speaker 6: a bucket, It's a bucket, damn near every single time.

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Speaker 5: Like Lebron.

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Speaker 6: You remember, like when in twenty eighteen he had that

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Speaker 6: like his move where it was like if he turned

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Speaker 6: like he was hitting it probably like fifty five percent

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Speaker 6: of the time, which is like amazing. And that's what

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Speaker 6: you see from the Kawhi's and the kds. They're in

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Speaker 6: that like mid fifties, low sixties on those types of shots.

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Speaker 6: It's just still not quite as dependable as those short

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Speaker 6: range Yo Kic shots that he's just so damn good

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Speaker 6: at making, which, by the way, if he misses it,

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Speaker 6: he'll probably just bowl into you and grab the offensive rebound,

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Speaker 6: right And like there's a certain like, oh you help

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Speaker 6: on Jokich and he's kicking out to people. But that,

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Speaker 6: you know, is more or less the same concept that

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Speaker 6: we got from Lebron when he was younger. But yeah,

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Speaker 6: it's just to me, it's just the it's the small

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Speaker 6: sample dependability of Jokic that that is a differentiator between

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Speaker 6: him and the rest of the league.

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Speaker 7: Okay, I, you know you're leaning fully on half court

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Speaker 7: offensive sounds like and I think one of the To

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Speaker 7: be clear, we're all le Bron guys here, right, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 7: I think yeah, And I know you're a Bron guy too, you.

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Speaker 4: Know what I'm saying. Yeah, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 8: Think yoga is phenomenal. I think he is a singular talent.

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Speaker 7: I am totally on board with you if you would

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Speaker 7: consider him the most versatile offensive center we've ever seen.

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Speaker 7: And and to your point, I don't think that necessarily

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Speaker 7: necessarily makes some better than guys like a team or

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Speaker 7: Shack or whatever.

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Speaker 8: That's a discussion to be at.

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Speaker 7: But I think he's for sure the most versatile offensive

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Speaker 7: center we've ever seen. But you know, as I mentioned,

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Speaker 7: you're you're discussing a lot of what he does in

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Speaker 7: the half court, and he's fucking surgical in the half court.

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Speaker 7: One of my counters on two why I think Lebron

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Speaker 7: is a better offensive player is that he was a

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Speaker 7: He was a weapon in full court in transition, right,

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Speaker 7: Like like Bron with a head of steam and transition

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Speaker 7: was the scariest fucking sight in the NBA for like

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Speaker 7: fifteen years.

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Speaker 4: And this is.

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Speaker 7: Right right, and it's it's and and still in his

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Speaker 7: old age, there's still some times where he's got a

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Speaker 7: head of steam and he's still a freight train, right,

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Speaker 7: And I think that that is is an area where Lebron,

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Speaker 7: you know, has a check mark, checks the box that

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Speaker 7: Yelkic doesn't. I'm and you know, I'm willing to see

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Speaker 7: that Jokic is a better passer than Lebron.

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Speaker 8: And I say that.

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Speaker 4: I say that.

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Speaker 7: I say that as a guy who had that as

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Speaker 7: a bullet point on my PowerPoint for why.

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Speaker 8: Right, like that was always one of my bullet points.

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Speaker 7: Is that I think Bron is the best past passing

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Speaker 7: non point guard we've ever seen. And I think Jokic

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Speaker 7: has supplanted Lebron there. I think it's Jokic, Bron and

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Speaker 7: Bird there right. But I don't of course, I don't

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Speaker 7: think that he's better in transition in the full court.

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Speaker 7: I'll be willing to hear you out that he's perhaps

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Speaker 7: more surgical in the half court.

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Speaker 8: But I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I just i've kind of we've seen what Bron has

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Speaker 7: done with his supporting cast. Like take a look at

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Speaker 7: that two nine roster. He won sixty six games with

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Speaker 7: those dudes. He won sixty six games with two thousand

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Speaker 7: and nine Ben Wallace starting.

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean, Williams was the second best

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Speaker 4: player on that team.

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Speaker 5: Bro.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 8: It's where where?

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Speaker 2: Where is that?

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Speaker 3: I just want to drive home though, because Tyler talked

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Speaker 3: about this when we were talking before we recorded yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Whereas with Jokic, we're talking about like can they recover

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Speaker 3: from losing Bruce Brown?

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Speaker 2: Can they recover?

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Speaker 3: Like you know what I mean, Like he's not losing

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Speaker 3: Dwayne Wade. He's losing guys that would have been the

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Speaker 3: best dude Bron played with in Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: But he just was doing it. Like I said, with

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Speaker 2: Moe Williams was the was was Robin You know what

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 6: Do we think that eight oh nine Lebron is best Lebron?

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Speaker 6: I think it's twenty eighteen Lebron. What do you guys think?

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Speaker 8: I think I think saw twenty twelve.

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Speaker 7: Twenty thirteen Bron is the best season Bron, and I

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Speaker 7: think twenty eighteen Bron is the best postseason Bron.

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Speaker 5: That's a good take.

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Speaker 6: That's a really good take because his motor in twenty

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Speaker 6: thirteen in the Red, like well, Bron was like attacking

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Speaker 6: every regular season game like a playoff game back then.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel like a player what would like what?

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Speaker 1: Like Mike was saying, what could Jokic do with the

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Speaker 1: players that Bron had.

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Speaker 4: Back in the day?

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Speaker 1: And I think he I mean, I think as he's

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Speaker 1: a great passer, but Bron not only passed well, like

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Speaker 1: the way he created for other players, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, Like other players had their best years with

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Speaker 1: Broun because because so many other players did so, I

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Speaker 1: just feel like when it comes to offensive I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: of like, you know, he even lifted up his teammates

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Speaker 1: in a way Joker did it, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: So he might not be a better passer, but I

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Speaker 1: think he's a better creator for others, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I think with his with his brain

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Speaker 1: watching Bron live for the first time, he was playing

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Speaker 1: the Hawks and Kevin Low was in a corner and

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Speaker 1: it was like he threw the ball before the defense shifted,

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Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, And as the defense shifted,

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Speaker 1: the ball zoom by them, and I was like, does

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Speaker 1: he know them more than them? Niggas know themselves? Like

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying it's crazy. You know what

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Speaker 1: I mean?

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Speaker 4: It was, I mean live, it's just seemed so unreal.

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Speaker 1: But I just feel like the levels he could go

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Speaker 1: to as well, Like do you remember the game where

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Speaker 1: Ray Allen I think it was game was the game six?

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Speaker 5: When a game five?

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Speaker 4: Game six? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yes, the moments leading up to that where Brian put

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Speaker 1: his head down when they were down, like tannessing, like

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Speaker 1: this game was over, the series was done, and he

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Speaker 1: was like.

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Speaker 4: Fuck everything I remember, I remember like and hasn't worn

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Speaker 4: it since? Bro.

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Speaker 8: That was literally the last time we were a head

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Speaker 1: I was like optimiss brun Like, I just yelled weaking,

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Speaker 1: But I believe where Bron could go and how he

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Speaker 1: It's just hard for me to say somebody's a better

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Speaker 4: But your points make sense.

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Speaker 5: It was over. Everyone in the arena knew it was over.

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Speaker 6: Everyone watching on TV is like this, this team is dead,

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Speaker 5: Would have these stretches.

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Speaker 6: it always felt like Lebron would have these like five

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Speaker 6: like he would have these stretches where he he would

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Speaker 6: a good transition player because he actually like outruns a

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Speaker 6: because he runs hard every single possession. And then two

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Speaker 6: he's just really good at kick ahead passes. But Lebron

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Speaker 6: I'll give you that, and so like, and to be

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Speaker 6: clear again, I still think that Yo, like Yo Kicch

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Speaker 6: I still think there's a pretty decent gap between where

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Speaker 4: A cap on Bron and that they're not putting on

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Speaker 6: That and Lebron definitely like Lebron. There are some MVPs

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Speaker 6: weirdest thing, Like weird. This is the one thing that's

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Speaker 6: Like what if Jokics played in the late nineties early

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Speaker 3: Would go in eight different directions because he would have

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Speaker 3: it's just yes, Like I do think that's part of

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Speaker 2: Current NBA, He's who you would create.

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Speaker 3: Braun, you put his offensive game from nineteen to you know,

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Speaker 2: I do think that's part of it for me.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I think to this day, the defender who

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Speaker 7: So I think he's for sure, you know, benefiting from.

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Speaker 4: How the game has evolved.

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Speaker 9: We see too big the Timberwolves. That's like sort of

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Speaker 4: Seems like it's more than side.

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Speaker 1: So it's also athleticism, you know what I'm saying, because

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Speaker 1: Dwight's done me athletic nas as athletic as fuck.

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Speaker 4: You know, kat is there as well, Yeah, you know

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Speaker 1: And there was some pretty athletics centers back then as

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Speaker 6: So to be clear though, like he also annihilated them

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Speaker 3: You can see in the same way that Braun would decide,

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Speaker 1: There were times he would get the rebound release, take

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Speaker 6: Yeah, game in there was a New Knicks game in

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and all the.

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Speaker 1: And I think they understand that more because they're seeing him,

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Speaker 1: can do anything. And I know Joker has the same

439
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Speaker 1: has to you know that this nobody can do anything

440
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Speaker 1: with Joker. You know, he does what he wants on

441
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Speaker 1: the basketball court. But I don't know what Bron. It

442
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Speaker 1: just it just seemed a different level, even just going

443
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Speaker 1: off the offensive side, that Joker.

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Speaker 4: Hasn't quite reached to me.

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Speaker 1: But also I was I was younger, I was way

446
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Speaker 1: more obsessed, you know what I.

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Speaker 6: Mean, And so that time, Yeah, are we going to

448
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Speaker 6: be the guys just like the MJ guys who are like.

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Speaker 5: No, he's not as good. He's not as good, Like

450
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Speaker 5: is that going to be us?

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Speaker 4: I don't. I don't know, I don't, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I will be that guy. I

453
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Speaker 1: think I'm that guy now, I don't know if I

454
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Speaker 1: will care and I don't know if I'll care enough

455
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Speaker 1: to be that guy in the future, you know what

456
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Speaker 1: I mean.

457
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Speaker 4: But I still care enough, you know what I'm saying now, So.

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Speaker 1: I think, like, but your points are they're good points,

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Speaker 1: the good points, you know what I'm saying, Like everything

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Speaker 1: you said I agreed with, but I just didn't feel like,

461
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, You know, my motions weren't validated.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

463
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Speaker 6: Jokic doesn't have the cultural residence that Lebron is just

464
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Speaker 6: a fact, Like there's no doubt that, Like like jo

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Speaker 6: Kic does it in a way that's very boring, Like

466
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Speaker 6: no one wants to see a little short half hook,

467
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Speaker 6: you know, every single time down the floor.

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Speaker 5: But like that's how he dominates you.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's kind of it is there is an

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Speaker 3: element of it, and I I want to emphasize again

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Speaker 3: because I know I do occasionally sound like I'm being

472
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Speaker 3: a Yoki hater in full appreciators the greatness. It does

473
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Speaker 3: feel a little bit like watching a dad play basketball

474
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Speaker 3: against middle school kid, Like the middle school kid could

475
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Speaker 3: be very talented and you're just gonna put your ass

476
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Speaker 3: on him and pin him under the block and get

477
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Speaker 3: a little you know, like so there is an element

478
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Speaker 3: of that, whereas with Broun down three two minutes left,

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Speaker 3: with dribbling the ball at the top of the key,

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Speaker 3: You're like, anything can happen right now, you know.

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Speaker 7: What I mean?

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Speaker 1: He was a superhuman. He wasn't just the dad playing

483
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Speaker 1: in middle school. He was he was a different type

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Speaker 1: of human.

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Speaker 4: It seemed like, you know what I mean.

486
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Speaker 6: I also think when the when the young Lebron clips

487
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Speaker 6: come up, still to this day, they shocked me, like,

488
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Speaker 6: which is crazy because I grew up watching it, but

489
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Speaker 6: like still to this day, I'll watch like the dunk

490
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Speaker 6: on James Johnson and I'll be like, oh my god,

491
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Speaker 6: if we saw that today, we would lose it for

492
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Speaker 6: a week, like what the hell, Like it's it's crazy.

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Speaker 9: And that's that's what I think is sort of the

494
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Speaker 9: unquantifiable element of Lebron James is the athleticism at that

495
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 9: size like that can fault you above a lot of things,

496
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Speaker 9: Like you can throw go baar and kat against Yoke

497
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Speaker 9: and he's he's able to he has the brain to

498
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Speaker 9: figure it out or whatever. But there was a certain

499
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Speaker 9: like in every position defensively, also like in every part

500
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Speaker 9: of basketball, if you are a supreme, supreme, the best

501
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Speaker 9: athlete in the NBA, you can overcome a lot of

502
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Speaker 9: challenges that you might not be able to otherwise. Like

503
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Speaker 9: there's just a let and that's almost not quantifiable. It's

504
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Speaker 9: like a singular moment. If you threw it doesn't matter

505
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Speaker 9: who you put in front of Lebron James and the

506
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Speaker 9: twenty twelve version of him, He's a better athlete than them.

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Speaker 4: Period.

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Speaker 5: That's the honest, which is right, there's like a certain

509
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Speaker 5: like you just get.

510
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Speaker 6: What you think you could see, Like Shay's the best

511
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Speaker 6: shot maker, one of the best shot makers in the league,

512
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Speaker 6: except for you end up in this game and guess what,

513
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Speaker 6: it's not a shot making game.

514
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Speaker 5: It's a bloodbath.

515
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Speaker 6: So who's the bigger, better athlete, Who's going to have

516
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Speaker 6: to do a better job bowling over everybody? And it's you,

517
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Speaker 6: Like Giannis was so much better than Shay in that game. Yeah,

518
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Speaker 6: and it's just because it was that type of game.

519
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Speaker 6: And to your point, Jackson, like, and this is something

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Speaker 6: I'm leaning on a lot more as we've become more

521
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Speaker 6: of a transition league and more of a play in

522
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Speaker 6: space like space teams out driving kick type of team.

523
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Speaker 6: You gotta be. You gotta be one of those athletes.

524
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Speaker 6: And it really does make that big of a difference.

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Speaker 2: Braun is the.

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Speaker 3: Like a historical type of athlete, and it's just every

527
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Speaker 3: three decades or whatever, like like Wilt Chamberlain running the

528
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Speaker 3: eight hundred and two minutes or I think I think

529
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Speaker 3: it's mild time was for four minutes forty five seconds.

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Speaker 3: We're not gonna get one of those every three years,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like you get a couple

532
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Speaker 3: of those a century, and Braun, I just think, is

533
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Speaker 3: that and where there is the analytical approach to gms

534
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Speaker 3: can't build plans around maybe we get the one guy

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Speaker 3: every fifty years who has that type of body. I'm

536
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Speaker 3: just very comfortable as a fan being like I don't

537
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Speaker 3: give a fuck how hard you work or like or

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Speaker 3: how good the plan is. I just know if you

539
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Speaker 3: can't do something that this dude could do then, you know,

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Speaker 3: Like again, if people who saw Wilt Chamberlain, of course

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542
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Speaker 3: had he could high jump forty five feet or whatever,

543
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Speaker 3: and he could run a mile in four minutes. Like

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Speaker 3: of course you would not let anyone else think, like

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Speaker 3: you look at Shack and go, he's fat, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean, Like.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, that's part of a well.

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Speaker 6: John Moran is like this too, where like like when

549
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Speaker 6: you have that type of next level athlete, it kind

550
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Speaker 6: of breaks the game in a lot of ways. I

551
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Speaker 6: I had seen the thinking basketball guys do it. But

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554
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Speaker 6: but they do it a tiny fraction as often as

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556
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557
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Speaker 6: John Moran in front, so he just you're right right,

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Speaker 6: they literally watched the next time you watch the Grizzlies,

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Speaker 3: Sir Mike, Yeah, I know, But how do you feel

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Speaker 2: We were nineteen the last.

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Speaker 2: How are you feeling about that?

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Speaker 3: Just on an emotional level, just checking in on our friend,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, how.

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Speaker 2: Are you handling that?

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Speaker 6: I had this point of view about it was right

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Speaker 6: like yeah, exactly exactly, And so there was this ideology

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657
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Speaker 6: now we're year ford, he's gonna turn forty here in

658
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 6: nine days. But like he was thirty eight at the time,

659
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 6: and I was like, you have to do something now,

660
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 6: because any increased value that comes from you being patient

661
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 6: and finding the right deal is gonna be undercut by

662
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 6: his decline. Here's where I'm pissed off. Last year, in April,

663
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 6: Lebron was literally playing like the third or fourth best

664
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 6: player in the league. After the All Star break. He

665
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 6: was like twenty eight eight and ten on like sixty

666
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 6: seven percent true shooting. Like he was just outrage justly good.

667
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 6: Ad was kicking ass. They were like both playing at

668
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 6: a top five or six level, and they literally outplayed

669
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 6: the Nuggets the majority of that series, and two Jamal

670
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 6: Murray game winners swung it in Denver's favor. The Lakers

671
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 6: led that series like seventy five percent of the of

672
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 6: the game clock, and they were like it was a

673
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 6: lot closer than it looked in the four to one,

674
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 6: And all I could think of is, like, God, I

675
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 6: hope this isn't the last chance they have, because now

676
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 6: Lebron looks considerably less good than he was last year

677
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 6: in April, he might finally be reaching the end of

678
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 6: the rope. Here, We'll see. I'm sure he might. He'll

679
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 6: have some more to say this year, but like, all

680
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 6: I can think about is, like, Okay, that Minnesota team

681
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 6: like really fell apart against rim protection. That was the

682
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 6: team you play. If you beat Denver, you run the

683
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 6: exact same scheme that Dallas did against them. They probably

684
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 6: fall apart offensively because it was cutting him up because

685
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,719
Speaker 6: he was going against Nurkic and Jokic, two guys that

686
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 6: can't protect the rim. Anthony Davis would have been hell

687
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 6: for Anthony Edwards to deal with in that series. And

688
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 6: then if you remember the way Luca killed them was

689
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 6: he's too big and strong for Jaden McDaniels. Guess who

690
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 6: else is too big and strong for Jade McDaniels. Lebron,

691
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 6: James and I just kept thinking like they could have

692
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 6: gone to the finals last year, if they had two

693
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 6: substantial role player upgrades, like Delo is a zero in

694
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 6: that series, Ruey was a zero. If Dlo and Rui

695
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 6: were upgraded to like Bruce Brown and Dorian Finney Smith

696
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 6: or something like that, they could have beat Denver, beat Minnesota,

697
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 6: been in the finals. Who knows what happens, right, So

698
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 6: like maybe they end up losing to Boston anyway. But

699
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 6: like the thing is is like now I'm looking at

700
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 6: it and I feel like the last great chance was

701
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 6: last year and they still haven't made a deal. And

702
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 6: now I'm not even sure it's worth it. Now I'm

703
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 6: not even sure it's worth it. And so I honestly

704
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 6: I'm kind of discouraged because I feel like the tail

705
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,239
Speaker 6: end of Lebron's career has just been horribly mismanaged, and

706
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 6: I feel like a lot of good basketball was wasted.

707
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 6: And like I've been pretty critical of Lebron and AD

708
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 6: because I think that they have a tendency to to

709
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 6: not bring it in the regular season the way you

710
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 6: need to to establish championship habits. I think Lebron it's

711
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,479
Speaker 6: his age because when he was younger he did do it,

712
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 6: and then with Ad, AD has always had a little

713
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 6: bit of a motor issue. Sometimes Ad goes out there

714
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 6: and he just doesn't feel like playing that hard, And

715
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 6: so because of that, I think I think I've been

716
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 6: critical of them, but I also sympathize with them in

717
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 6: the sense that, like, they probably don't have a ton

718
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 6: of belief, and I wonder how much if they did

719
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 6: have belief, they would be more willing to fight. And

720
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 6: so that's where I feel like not investing in this

721
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 6: group was such a big mistake. And honestly, now, man,

722
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 6: it just kind of feels like a sad part of

723
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 6: Lebron's story, doesn't it.

724
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: I mean, he did get the chip there. What are

725
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: you thinking about j What do you think about how

726
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: do you think about Yeah.

727
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 6: He's fine. It's way too early to determine whether or

728
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 6: not a guy like that as a good coach or not.

729
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 6: Just we don't have enough of a sample. A lot

730
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 6: of encouraging stuff. Their offensive organization has been better. Specifically,

731
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 6: they've been really good with off ball action, which is

732
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 6: something that they weren't using in the past, and then

733
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 6: they've incorporated some of the modern concepts using Ad as

734
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 6: kind of a folk rum at the top of the

735
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 6: key with guards cutting off of him. They've gotten a

736
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 6: lot of good stuff out of that. He went with

737
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 6: a switching scheme early in the season, which I disagree

738
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 6: with because switching typically requires a lot of athleticism one

739
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 6: through five because you need guys to help each other

740
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 6: rebound and you need lots of guys that can guard.

741
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 6: That's not a team that has a lot of guys

742
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 6: that can rebound and guard, so you kind of need

743
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 6: to run drop schemes or schemes that keep Lebron and

744
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 6: Ad by the basket so they can cover for the

745
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 6: lesser athletes on the perimeter. But to JJ's credit, he

746
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 6: tried it for like twenty games, he realized it wasn't working,

747
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 6: and he's been shifting back to traditional coverages in the

748
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 6: last couple of weeks. So, like, I've liked what I've

749
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 6: seen so far, he's active coaching on the sideline. I

750
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 6: like what I've seen so far. But there's just so

751
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 6: much more to this story and we need to see

752
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 6: a larger sample. But here's the thing. He's certainly a

753
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 6: better coach than Darvin ham was. I think that's abundantly

754
00:33:58,960 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 6: clear up the top.

755
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 7: Not in the NBA Cup though, Yeah, I mean he's

756
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 7: what up the fourth coach in five years or la

757
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 7: like it's I mean, of course I don't think Darmaghan

758
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 7: was the guy, but it's for sure been a roster

759
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 7: personnel issue with why I think.

760
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 5: For sure is a short mm hmm.

761
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: I'm talking about this before, but I think once they

762
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: got what they the Westbrook trade and getting rid of Vogel,

763
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: Like when when they panicked after the was it the

764
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: twenty one?

765
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 4: A year after the chip, they.

766
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: Panicked when Bron was hurt, A d was hurt and

767
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 1: they didn't perform like they wanted to and they switched

768
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: everything up that ruined everything, you know what I mean?

769
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 1: I think I think, I think it's just been they've

770
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: been fighting an uphill battle since and with Bron getting older,

771
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: they I just you know, I haven't had the same

772
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 1: type of confidence. And then since they made that decision.

773
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 6: You literally have to support Lebron and Ad with athleticism.

774
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 6: You have to it is in and honestly like this

775
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 6: is the thing, like you know, like I always feel

776
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 6: like it's it's trouble when you start criticizing people in

777
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 6: like coaching positions or front office positions unless you kind

778
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 6: of provide like a case, otherwise you're just being a dick,

779
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. But, like I with Rob,

780
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 6: the thing that has bothered me the most is I

781
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 6: genuinely don't understand like what his basketball vision is because

782
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 6: he's done something different every single offseason, and quite frankly,

783
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 6: every single smart GM in the league is leaning on

784
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 6: these perimeter athletes. The reason why is because again, like

785
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 6: so on a basic level, if you take a team's

786
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 6: half court offense, they're typically between point nine points per

787
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 6: possession and then like maybe one point one points per possession.

788
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 6: Transition offense is typically between one point one points per

789
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 6: possession and one point three points per possession. It's a

790
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 6: simple math concept, which is why every team talks about

791
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 6: playing faster. We gotta play faster, we gotta get out

792
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 6: in transition because we're going to literally increase the efficiency

793
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 6: of our offense by twenty percent on these possessions where

794
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 6: we push in transition. Right then, in like what we've

795
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 6: seen with Boston, when you master spacing and you learn

796
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 6: how to generate quality three point shots, there are ways

797
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 6: to kind of like improve your offensive efficiency. So having

798
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 6: athletes that can guard in space and play in the

799
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 6: open floor of transition is now absolutely vital. And if

800
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 6: you look at the Laker roster, they don't have a

801
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 6: single starting caliber athlete that plays on the perimeter. Jared Vanderbilt,

802
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 6: really good athlete, but he's a defensive specialist who should

803
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 6: be coming off the bench. Right, Max Christy, really good athlete,

804
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 6: but he's a young guard who should be coming off

805
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 6: the bench. They don't have athletes. And like you look

806
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 6: around the Leak, look at Oklahoma City, look at all

807
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 6: their athletes. Man, look at Golden State, look at all

808
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 6: their athletes. Look at the Clippers, all their athletes. The

809
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 6: Clippers and the Hawks have been winning because they have athletes.

810
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 6: And next to guys like Trey Young, Yeah, Houston's a

811
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 6: great example. Boston's a great like you have to be.

812
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 6: And like it literally feels to me like Rob Polinkt

813
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 6: just doesn't understand these like pretty basic basket of basketball

814
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 6: concepts because he just hasn't been supporting them in that way.

815
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 4: Great stuff.

816
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 3: That's like intermission, I'm saying, all right, let's let's talk

817
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 3: about the All Star format. I'm gonna preface it by

818
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 3: saying this, My son is eleven. He's a huge He's

819
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 3: become a huge NBA junkie. He asked me yesterday what

820
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 3: I thought of the new All Star game format, and

821
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 3: this is what I said.

822
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 2: I said, explain it to me.

823
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 3: And he had to go get his phone so that

824
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 3: he could read the specific language of the four team

825
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 3: tournament the right et cetera, et cetera. And then he

826
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 3: was like, wait, if the rising Stars are playing, does

827
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: that mean that Saturday is not gonna be No, Okay,

828
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 3: this says Saturday is gonna be going.

829
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 4: Uh.

830
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 3: Do you guys think it's a good idea that they

831
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 3: are taking an All Star game that feels like it's

832
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 3: losing its primacy just the like ability to watch it

833
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 3: and be.

834
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 2: Excited about it.

835
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 3: Do you think it's a good fix to make it

836
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 3: as complicated as possible.

837
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 6: I think the idea there's some intelligence in it in

838
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 6: the sense that, like shortening the game is important. If

839
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 6: you're playing to forty rather than playing for forty eight minutes,

840
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 6: I think that that might have a play role in like, hey,

841
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 6: just let's fast break dunk to forty just seems foolish, right,

842
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,479
Speaker 6: And I also think including a young team might help

843
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 6: because we're not losing to those guys. You know, you

844
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 6: want that to kind of click in a little bit

845
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 6: and engage some competitiveness. But I feel the same way

846
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 6: about this that I feel about like Nick Wright's idea

847
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 6: with dunks being three's, or Bill simmons idea of getting

848
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 6: rid of corner threes, or like all of these different

849
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 6: ideas where it's like everyone's coming up with these ideas

850
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 6: to try to improve the quality of the product. But

851
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 6: the real problem is urgency. We have eighty two games

852
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 6: and we let twenty of the thirty teams in, so

853
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 6: you can literally shit the bed for a month and

854
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 6: it doesn't matter. So like it doesn't matter what you

855
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 6: do to the rules. They're not going to play harder.

856
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 6: That's the main problem. The same thing goes with the

857
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 6: All Star Game. Like I even heard Devin Booker, He's like,

858
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 6: you know, I just I kind of have an issue

859
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 6: with this because it feels like it's kind of messing

860
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 6: with the history. And I'm like, okay, I hear you.

861
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 6: But back then they played harder, so you're being disrespectful

862
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 6: to the history of what was taking place in this

863
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 6: game in the past. But like, at the end of

864
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 6: the day, if they're not gonna play hard, it doesn't

865
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 6: matter what the format is. It doesn't matter if they

866
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 6: do one on one, three on three, five and five

867
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 6: forty eight minutes. Uh, you know all the different rule

868
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 6: changes they could do. It's just not gonna matter unless

869
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 6: the guys go out there and compete against each other,

870
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 6: because that's what we want to see.

871
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 3: It's the just really quick, that's what. That's the point

872
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 3: about the writing stars. They're trying to legislate pride. They're

873
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 3: trying to legislate these guys to care. And we were

874
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 3: talking about it before we started recording. Don't you feel

875
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 3: like Davis Stern just would have had a meeting that's like,

876
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 3: tell me what it is. I'll give you any dollar amount,

877
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 3: whatever else. But when you walk out of the room,

878
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 3: you're gonna tell everyone you can't wait to fucking play

879
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 3: in the All Star Game, and you're gonna bust someone's ass.

880
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I'm not gonna roll something out.

881
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 3: And then have Kevin Durant and Devin Booker and like

882
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 3: big stars saying yeah, I don't know, the format looks horrible.

883
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: In particular, these players are so fucking rich though, what

884
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: amount of money would you have to put out there?

885
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? For these guys.

886
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 5: Okay, right, they're.

887
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: Still doing commercials.

888
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 3: I mean, you know what I mean, Like it's it's

889
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 3: not enough like Bron's doing Pistachio's commercials or whatever with

890
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 3: Kevin Hart, Like so money must mean something to them still,

891
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 3: And I don't know if it's money or if it's

892
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 3: an incentive whatever it is. But like you know, my

893
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 3: thing was always like, don't you feel like David Stern,

894
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 3: if he's here, is running it a little bit.

895
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 4: More like a mob boss.

896
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 3: And I feel like Adam Silver is running it like

897
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 3: he's an MLB or NFL commissioner, where it's the team

898
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 3: corporations that he's keeping happy and the NBA is really

899
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 3: about getting buy in from like five to ten guys.

900
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 3: It's a different job. And I don't feel like people.

901
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 3: I don't feel like there's any mystique around him or

902
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 3: even a slight edge of fear, like I mean, even

903
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 3: the biggest stars in the game at the time, and

904
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 3: talk about man, David Stern calls you, you got that

905
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 3: little your heart started beating a little bit, you.

906
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: Know, we were we were talking about this, could could

907
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: Silver run it the way that David Stern did? Being

908
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: that not only the NBA has changed. The players have changed,

909
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: but society's changed.

910
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, Like schools it used to be.

911
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, You're just a dick, you

912
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like you're not the guys like

913
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: fuck you, you know what I mean.

914
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 4: So I'm wondering could he move?

915
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 1: But maybe you need a commissioner that doesn't care if

916
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: it's fuck you. Yeah, you know what I mean, that

917
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: doesn't care, like you know, in order to keep the

918
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: business the way it is, you know, to keep people

919
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 1: caring like yo, we'll do what we have to do,

920
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: not necessarily what people want to be done, you know

921
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

922
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 5: Well, so so let's look at the money though, cause

923
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 5: like so.

924
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 6: I I thought that I have liked the ND season Tournament.

925
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 6: There's some things that I think they could tweak, and

926
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 6: some of it can be weird at times, But like

927
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 6: the n Season Tournament, elimination games were.

928
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 5: By far the hardest play basketball games that I watched.

929
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 6: Like the final score in that Thunderbucks game was like

930
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 6: what ninety five to eighty two or something like if

931
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 6: those same two teams played next week on Thursday in Milwaukee,

932
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 6: both teams would score over one hundred and ten points,

933
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 6: Like they're playing way harder. So let's pretend that we're

934
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 6: doing like a volume celebrity pickup game, right and we're

935
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 6: just messing around. Let's pretend they put five thousand dollars

936
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 6: per player to the winning like we're gonna compete.

937
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 4: Now.

938
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 6: Now I'm going at you, you know what I mean,

939
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 6: Cause that's like it's not life changing money for these guys,

940
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 6: but five hundred K is a lot of money and

941
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 6: they might go after it. And so like my thing is,

942
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 6: like it'd be cheaper too, because in the nd season

943
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 6: tournament they have to give two hundred and fifty K

944
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 6: to the losers. I think you could do something like

945
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 6: that where it's like, okay, we have six million dollars

946
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 6: cash for these twelve players on the winning team, go

947
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 6: get the money. Play for the money. I think they would.

948
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 6: It's kind that we have to get that's crazy, yeah,

949
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 6: but that's the thing, Like, like it sucks that we

950
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 6: would have to do that to get them to play hard,

951
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 6: but if that's what it takes, Like, because here's the thing,

952
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 6: do you guys remember the do you guys remember the

953
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 6: first elam ending game, the one where Lebron or a

954
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 6: d won it with free throws, but it was Lebron

955
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 6: versus honest and like do you remember how competitive that was?

956
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 6: Like when you actually see these guys try hard against

957
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 6: each other, it is an incredible television product that that

958
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 6: we have to chase that somehow, you know what I mean.

959
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: They were taking charges in game, yes, you know, putting

960
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: his body on the line and.

961
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 5: Brought I'm still I'm still marry.

962
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 3: I just like whether it's money or whatever else, Like

963
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 3: I don't think we as fans, like, yes, you could

964
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 3: say it's it's I agree with you that there's a

965
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 3: level of it being sad, particularly when you have people

966
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 3: like Devin Booker.

967
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: I thought that this it's disrespectful the history.

968
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 3: I thought that was a bullshit comment because because of

969
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,479
Speaker 3: what you just said, Like it's not the and I'm

970
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 3: always on the player side of any dispute ever, but

971
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 3: it is like you're the ones we're annoyed at, Bro,

972
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 3: I mean you know what I mean, Like that is

973
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 3: the case. No one's sitting here going Adam Silver is

974
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 3: not getting these guys to play hard enough. We're saying

975
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 3: everyone including non old people, are saying like this generation,

976
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 3: you know whatever else. But so if they have to

977
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 3: pay them to get him to play hard. They just

978
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,919
Speaker 3: signed an eleven year, seventy six billion dollar television deal.

979
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,479
Speaker 3: You have the money to convince twenty guys to play

980
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 3: hard one night like the year.

981
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

982
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 3: I just like if it's money, if it's the fuck

983
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 3: you instead of whatever it is. Like I do think

984
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 3: if you're gonna legislate the pride, if they're gonna try

985
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 3: and do that, I'd be more interested in the USA

986
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 3: versus the World format. I think you can generate some

987
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 3: pride there. I think that obviously worked very well during

988
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 3: the Olympics. It's just the difference in the Olympics was

989
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 3: the guys cared about it, and so when you saw

990
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 3: the best players of their generation playing together with passion,

991
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 3: we all felt something.

992
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: I mean, we talked about it this summer.

993
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 3: How many NBA games on average make you feel, you know,

994
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 3: even in the playoffs, the way you felt during the Olympics,

995
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 3: Like that's the That's the problem to me is we

996
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 3: should still be getting that with the All Star Game,

997
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 3: and we're not getting it. I don't know if they can,

998
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 3: you know, write the check or legislat it or whatever,

999
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 3: but it's just I don't know it bus It honestly

1000
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 3: bums me out because that was that used to be

1001
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 3: one of my favorite nights of the year.

1002
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 2: Like you, I would look.

1003
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 6: Forward to have you guys gone back to watch the

1004
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,479
Speaker 6: YouTube video of the Serbia game yet have you guys,

1005
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 6: have any of you guys taken the time to do

1006
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 6: it yet? Do it one of these days. It's like

1007
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 6: it'll bring back the feels immediately. Like I like I

1008
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 6: I can't remember a time where I felt like that

1009
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 6: as a basketball fan. That was that was pretty incredible.

1010
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 3: Tyler, what would you do with All Star weekend? Do

1011
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 3: you think there's any chance that this format six seis

1012
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 3: or like what? Like, you know, what do you what

1013
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 3: do you think about it?

1014
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm I'm not mad with them trying shit

1015
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 7: right now, because for one, like, I'm just not gonna

1016
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 7: be on the side of, you know, disrespecting the All

1017
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 7: Star Game.

1018
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 8: Like we don't give a shit about the All Star Game.

1019
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 7: Those those scores are like one seventy to one seventy

1020
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 7: two at the end, right Like, so yeah, I'm fine

1021
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 7: with them trying to, you know, incentivize competitiveness in however

1022
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 7: way they work. And I think I think that this

1023
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 7: little fourteen tournament of what have you sponsored by castor

1024
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 7: role is gonna be pretty.

1025
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 8: I'm actually looking forward to it. I think the tournament

1026
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 8: will also be cool. And here's my idea.

1027
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 9: I feel like these players are so rich now that

1028
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 9: like one hundred thousand dollars gained or whatever is like

1029
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 9: not motivating them to the point that we wanted to

1030
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 9: motivate them to. But and this would never get agreed

1031
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 9: to by the CBA or about the players or whatever.

1032
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 9: But I think losing money, oh regards more gain than

1033
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 9: gaining money improves your life. Right, So these guys, every

1034
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 9: every All Star for twenty twenty three has is gonna

1035
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 9: get a nine figure contract at some point of their life. Right,

1036
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 9: So these guys are insanely rich. I'm not saying they

1037
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 9: need to lose millions of dollars, but if you were,

1038
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 9: like the losing player on each team has to pay

1039
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,919
Speaker 9: fifty grand to the winning a player on the winning team,

1040
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 9: I think that is incentivizing people a lot more than

1041
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 9: winning five hundred.

1042
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 2: I think the rich to be a bro I don't know,

1043
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 2: I have to write.

1044
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 8: I want to know.

1045
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: Hanging if then, Bro, yes, if they're handing fifty k

1046
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: over or.

1047
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 5: That much, you know what I'm saying Like that, you

1048
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 5: know that.

1049
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 9: Hurts a lot more than winning two hundred bucks from

1050
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 9: God or whatever.

1051
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 3: Like all start game four p m. On Saturday, Bring

1052
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand dollars.

1053
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: Ring cash, bring a briefing, warns the hoop right.

1054
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 9: You put it on right right on at the at

1055
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 9: the center court mark, right on the right in front

1056
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 9: of the announced even.

1057
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 4: If it's stacked up in the room, winn.

1058
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 2: You got to protective the cash in the air. Afterwards, Bro,

1059
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 2: I want you broad handover n hand in fifty fifty thousand,

1060
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

1061
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 6: That's the reason why this works. This has been I

1062
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 6: don't know about you guys where you're from, but like

1063
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 6: money tournaments are kind of a big deal out here

1064
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 6: where in like the Arizona, California. Uh, we do a

1065
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 6: lot of money tournaments, and like every team shows up,

1066
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 6: they pitch in money, and then the winner takes all

1067
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 6: of it minus what it takes to pay for the

1068
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 6: refs in the court, you know, and that kind of

1069
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 6: thing like that, that's that's what it is, and like

1070
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 6: that's it. That's always been a part of basketball culture.

1071
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 6: We play for money. Like I'm one hundred percent with you,

1072
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 6: Jackson if If.

1073
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: Seeing Giannis pull up to McDonald's recording himself with a

1074
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars, Duff was buckled into his patre side

1075
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: talking ship.

1076
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 4: For a section. Bro, you know what I mean, you

1077
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 4: can buy a lot of chicken nuggets with this sision.

1078
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that right right, right, right,

1079
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: right right, I'm throwing a sprite in there just.

1080
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 4: For you, man, you know what I'm saying.

1081
00:48:56,080 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 9: You know, like Anthony Edward's like getting fifty grand from

1082
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 9: Kevin Durant?

1083
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 5: Are you kidding me?

1084
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 8: Are you kidding with me?

1085
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 7: Talk?

1086
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,919
Speaker 4: Oh shit, dude talking so much shit.

1087
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at it, bro, because there's a chance

1088
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Speaker 1: I can win that fifty k.

1089
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Speaker 4: So it's not like they're just you know what I mean.

1090
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's.

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00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 6: There to be had and talking like I'm like, Ant's

1092
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 6: talking as much ship as he's been talking, like him

1093
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 6: celebrating at Oracle like uh like during like during the

1094
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 6: fourth quarter of a game. I think that's so important

1095
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 6: because it breeds animosity, and animosity is one of the

1096
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 6: few things that will get these guys to play hard

1097
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 6: in the regular season for sure.

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00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 9: That does night night and says run me fifty k

1099
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 9: down the court, like come on.

1100
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:40,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think hate inspires most people more

1101
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: than positive affirmations.

1102
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 5: Give me to me.

1103
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: We could we could talk all heyone like yes, but nigga,

1104
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: if you feel through some hate, I want to prove

1105
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 1: you a you know, making somebody eat, making somebody eat

1106
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: their words is much more inspiring than you know what

1107
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

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00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 2: Somebody right, your.

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00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 3: Presidents off that theory that you just said right now, right, yeah,

1110
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 3: Jesus right?

1111
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 4: Is that where we're in?

1112
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 5: Bro?

1113
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 6: You saw you saw that Chris the Chris Christy AI

1114
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 6: image like he's he's making hate like mainstream man.

1115
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1116
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got the president elect is doing AI images

1117
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 3: of Chris Christie get fat eating McDonald's bro like that

1118
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 3: like hate pays brother?

1119
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, do we.

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Speaker 2: Want to do we want to end it there? Anything

1121
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 2: from the Chad Jackson.

1122
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 9: Uh, they're just talking about what the players would do

1123
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 9: with fifty k. You know, I would say seeing Broun

1124
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 9: hand over fifty k to anybody would be an insane

1125
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 9: and absolutely insane sight.

1126
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of what would be the funniest

1127
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 3: combo of someone.

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Speaker 5: Where are you guys at on the NBA rating stuff?

1129
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 3: We've been talking about it. We've been trying to have

1130
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 3: The goal has been to have conversations about it where

1131
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 3: we don't just blame things that we don't like about thing,

1132
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 3: because that's what everyone's been doing on Twitter, right, Like

1133
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 3: I don't like the ref shoes.

1134
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: Oh, the ref shoes are why they're ratings. You're down

1135
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 2: in the NBA, you know what I mean.

1136
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 3: I feel like we've been We've had fairly non reactionary conversations,

1137
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 3: but I just we're all circling around the drain of

1138
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 3: the same argument, which is what you just said. They're

1139
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 3: trying to figure out how to get the guys to

1140
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 3: play hard, but.

1141
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 6: We agree, like we don't think, but but do you

1142
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 6: guys agree that it has more to do with urgency

1143
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 6: than it does with like some teams taking bad threes

1144
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 6: or like the officiating sometimes, Like I'm of the opinion

1145
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 6: that if we actually had to sit down and watch

1146
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 6: a slate from nineteen ninety four from two thousand and

1147
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 6: four on a random Tuesday in December, that we see a.

1148
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 5: Lot of ugly hoops.

1149
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 6: So I think, I think, I think some of the

1150
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 6: talks around like I literally think the same. The same

1151
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 6: circumstance has been the case forever. Like even though it's

1152
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 6: eighty two and twenty teams now, it was eighty two

1153
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 6: and sixteen teams forever. It was the same problem. The

1154
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 6: difference is is in the last twenty years, the amount

1155
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 6: of competitive options for people's attention has has dramatically increased.

1156
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 6: Like I don't know about you guys, but like if

1157
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 6: I see Trey Young like come over a screen and

1158
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 6: then jump backwards into a dude and go to the

1159
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 6: foul line, I just immediately get on my phone. I'm like,

1160
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 6: all right, I have thirty seconds to talk shit on

1161
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 6: Twitter or like text a buddy or something like. You

1162
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 6: get like it's just so easy to occupy yourself not

1163
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 6: watching an NBA game that like, why why would you

1164
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 6: watch if there's not a real competitive urgency taking place?

1165
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 6: And like, I think that really is the main reason

1166
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 6: why leagues like the NFL, where they have tons of

1167
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 6: urgency of like, the NFL is still on any given

1168
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 6: night the best thing you can watch because they're gonna

1169
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 6: play hard and it feels like the game matters, but

1170
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 6: I want.

1171
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 3: To you know, I think Miles Brown or someone on

1172
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 3: Twitter made the point of, like there's no doubt, like

1173
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 3: even the old heads in the NFL are saying, like

1174
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 3: the level of play in the NFL is not what

1175
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 3: it used to be either.

1176
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 2: They don't have the stars that they the established stars

1177
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 2: that they had either, like, and.

1178
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 4: The product isn't as good. He was saying, so, but

1179
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 4: the thing that.

1180
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 3: The NFL has is they have urgency within the fans

1181
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 3: because of the huge percentage of NFL viewers who are

1182
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 3: gambling and because of the huge percentage of NFL watchers

1183
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 3: who are playing fantasy sports. So a receiver in a

1184
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 3: blowout game getting a first down, fifteen yard catch, there's

1185
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 3: a ton of people in America who are like living

1186
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 3: and dying with that. And I don't know that that's replicatable.

1187
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 3: I don't know that that's replicatable for another league. I

1188
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 3: think that like people might just have to let the NFL.

1189
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 2: Go, you know what I mean. It's like they got it.

1190
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 3: They're the whole economy where they're ninety six to the

1191
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 3: top one hundred watch programs in America this year, Like

1192
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 3: we're not trying to compete with that, and you know

1193
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 3: that's been the sort of the non alarmist response on

1194
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:44,240
Speaker 3: the NBA stuff.

1195
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 2: Actually really agreed with something Bill Simmons said.

1196
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 3: On his show yesterday, which was, this is this, like

1197
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 3: you said it, Jason, like this happens with the NBA.

1198
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 2: This is cyclical that it's like, oh, the ratings are down.

1199
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 2: Tyler made the point on the last pot.

1200
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:02,720
Speaker 3: It's it's dynasties where everyone's watching the Warriors, everyone's watching

1201
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 3: bron Like you don't currently have that feeling. And you know,

1202
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 3: sim as this thing is like everyone figures it out.

1203
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 3: Social media numbers are all better than every other league.

1204
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 3: The ratings outside of America are better than you know,

1205
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 3: obviously everywhere.

1206
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 5: So like it's an inventory sport like that.

1207
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 6: That's the thing. Like to your point you said, like

1208
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 6: give up on the NFL. That's kind of the way

1209
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 6: I put I said the same thing to Colin on

1210
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 6: his show like last year after the finals, Like the

1211
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 6: NFL is an entirely different entity than the NBA in

1212
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 6: the sense that the NFL is an urgency sport and

1213
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 6: the NBA is an inventory sport. We give you so

1214
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 6: many highlights, so many games over such like the season

1215
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 6: last nine months, like it's so like it. Everything with

1216
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 6: the NBA is about like adding on top of each other,

1217
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 6: like stacking, whereas the NFL is like, look at this

1218
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 6: big fucking number that we put up in this Cowboys

1219
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 6: Niners Sunday afternoon game, and it's like the end. To

1220
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 6: your point, the NBA will never touch it. I don't

1221
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 6: know if you guys have seen it, but like the

1222
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 6: average NBA regular season game like early outperforms the average

1223
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 6: w NBA regular season game, Like they don't hit TV numbers.

1224
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 6: That's not that's not really how they make their money,

1225
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 6: if that makes sense.

1226
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, also in a transitional period, you know what I'm saying,

1227
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: where like the most popular players aren't the most dominant

1228
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: players or the most on the most dominant teams anymore.

1229
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 4: You feel me so like I think I think that

1230
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 4: plays into it.

1231
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: Where like it was Bron very popular, Steph very popular,

1232
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: KD very popular, and they were always vying. You know

1233
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, These big names were vying to win championships,

1234
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: are competing with each other in win championship. It doesn't

1235
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 1: necessarily feel like that right now, or the most popular

1236
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: players are like you know, the ass into the end

1237
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: of the league.

1238
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 7: You know, Tyler, I was gonna say, I think a

1239
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 7: lot of that discussion about how the NBA is losing

1240
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 7: its way is nostalgia driven. And to and and to

1241
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 7: John's credit, you know, we're we're for sure in a

1242
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 7: transition period.

1243
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 4: Right.

1244
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 7: The bron KD and Steph are is over. As far

1245
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 7: as like ratings, like the league is at a place

1246
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 7: now where there's so much parody, Like there's about five

1247
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 7: or six teams that I can legit see winning a championship, right,

1248
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 7: and we have seen that. I think the golden age

1249
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 7: that everyone is referring to is it starts with Magic

1250
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 7: Strikie season when he won a ring, and it ends

1251
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 7: with MJ's last season with the Bulls, right that eighteen

1252
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 7: year span of nineteen eighty to nineteen ninety eight. Right,

1253
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 7: And in that span of eighteen seasons, Magic Bird and

1254
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 7: MJ won fourteen out of those nineteen crazy right, And

1255
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 7: that was when when business was booming. That's what that's

1256
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 7: what draws the casual fans and when they're seeing history

1257
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 7: being made, when they're seeing dynasties being established, when they're

1258
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 7: seeing you know, NBA greats ascent to that god status,

1259
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 7: like you know, that upper tier, that upper echelon, like

1260
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 7: that that that bird in Magic and Bron and MJ.

1261
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 8: Occupy and Steph and the Warriors.

1262
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 7: Right so, so yeah, I think we're in a transition

1263
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 7: period where we don't have, you know, a dynasty in place,

1264
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 7: and I think that's for sure playing a party. And

1265
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 7: I also think that the way shit is structured now

1266
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 7: with the new CBA, I don't know if we're ever

1267
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 7: going to see another dynasty really too expensive.

1268
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 5: That's the fast part of this.

1269
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 3: Though, is they've legislated away from what the strength of

1270
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,479
Speaker 3: their league has always been, right Like, that's the part

1271
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 3: of it that I'm if you're looking for a reason

1272
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 3: to actually be worried about this, I think that's what

1273
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 3: it is, because I don't know that you capture the

1274
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 3: national imagination with you know, oh like, oh well the

1275
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 3: Rockets popped one off and had a great.

1276
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 2: Year this year.

1277
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know that that is. It's what

1278
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 3: Tyler said, it's the big canvas. It's sort of background

1279
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 3: noise except for those of us who are addicts. For

1280
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 3: nine months, you get to the playoffs. People want to

1281
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 3: watch the giants fight, you know, like that's that and

1282
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 3: so yeah, and they're trying everything they can do to

1283
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 3: keep those thirty fortune five hundred CEOs happy, But that's

1284
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 3: not what actually has made them into.

1285
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 2: A successful league. So I'm curious that we have that

1286
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 2: plays out.

1287
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 6: We've had shitty conference finals and finals two years in

1288
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 6: a row. I think that, like it's been a consistent

1289
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 6: issue where we just haven't produced good high leverage basket ball.

1290
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 6: The two things I would add one to your point, Tyler, Like,

1291
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 6: I think that it's important to acknowledge that we will

1292
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 6: never get to the point with TV ratings that we

1293
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 6: were at in the nineties because of the competitive forms

1294
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 6: of media, Like even the Jordan Bowles Dynasties would not

1295
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 6: hit thirty million for NBA Finals games. Now, there's just

1296
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 6: too many competitive options that said, to your point, we

1297
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 6: would do better than we have been doing. The second

1298
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 6: piece that I think is important to acknowledge is we

1299
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 6: don't really have a good base of American stars right

1300
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 6: now because of the decline of Katie Stephan Lebron. Like, like,

1301
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 6: I think if if we fast forward five years and

1302
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 6: Anthony Edwards is one of the five best players in

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Speaker 6: the league, and John Morant's one of the five best

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00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 6: players in the league, and like you know of Cooper

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00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 6: Flags on the rise, and we have like a bunch

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00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 6: of American players that are kicking butt. I think we

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00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 6: might have a better chance of capturing a bigger audience.

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00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 6: But that's part of the issue too, is like legitimately

1309
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 6: the four best players in the league right now are

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00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 6: all not American, and I wonder how much that plays

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Speaker 6: a role.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I mean I'd be surprised. You know how many.

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00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 7: Everyday Americans know who Victor from Miyama is and he

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00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 7: is like the most exciting thing we've seen in twenty

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Speaker 7: years since Ron Right.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I think that is for sure problem there too.

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Speaker 5: Hopefully An the ants the chosen one.

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Speaker 4: Guys.

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Speaker 6: He's twenty two years old, and like if Ant it,

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00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 6: here's the thing with Ant, he is because he has

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Speaker 6: become one of the best three point shooters in the

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00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 6: league already. He's twenty two. He's playing on a team

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00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 6: that literally can't create space for him. At some point

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00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 6: in his mid twenties, he's gonna be on a team

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00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 6: that can give him the space to operate, and no

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Speaker 6: one's gonna be able to stop him because he can

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00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 6: drive past everybody and he can shoot over everybody. And

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Speaker 6: if he has one of those iconic, an iconic run

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00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 6: where he wins a title and he he can capture

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Speaker 6: the American people the way that MJ or Lebron or

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Speaker 6: STEPHF or KD did. That's where I think there could

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01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 6: be a pretty substantial like kind of movement that forms

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01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 6: behind a player. It's the one guys, AND's the he's

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Speaker 6: the guy, he's the he's the guy who can save us.

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Speaker 8: It shows the one and he's the best interview in

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01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 8: the league and that Yeah, dude.

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01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 3: Well like this is embarrassing because of how commercialized like

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01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 3: we all are to our core at least I am,

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01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 3: I guess.

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01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 2: But like you know, the the uh ant.

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01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 3: Miss Sprite commercials, the anti clause Sprite miss commercials. I

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01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 3: literally like watch those commercials and I was like, now

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01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 3: that feels like basketball culture right there. That's I was like,

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01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 3: that feels like my childhood, you know what I mean. Like,

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01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 3: but like Vinnie is getting like Vinnie like loves those

1346
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 3: fuck He'll run in to see that commercial because he

1347
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 3: loves ant and it's like it's a funny commercial re

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01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 3: like I've you know, we all had that with like

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01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 3: the bron puppet you know commercials or the Kobe commercial kids.

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01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 3: Like I do think there is an element of this

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01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 3: that is vibes and that is like bigger than style

1352
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 3: of player whatever else. It's just like I don't know, man,

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01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 3: Like when your kid goes to school, are all his

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01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 3: friends talking about basketball?

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01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 2: Or are they talking about the new Lion King movie?

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01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 3: Like, I think that's part of it because we grew

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01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 3: up in an ecosystem where that was it. Like, yes,

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01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 3: we cared about football whatever, but it was it was basketball, like,

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01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 3: it was basketball video games, basketball cards, it was basketball

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01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 3: rap albums, like it was fucking basketball as a world.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: Do you guys believe in it? Are you guys as

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01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 5: high on him.

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01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 4: As Oh yes? Oh yes, absolutely?

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01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: Speaking about like the commercials, those Adidas commercials had people

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01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: that aren't even into basketball talking about them. People that

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01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: aren't basketball fans are wearing Adidas because they're fans of

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01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: ant Like it reached like it was important to the culture,

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Speaker 1: and those Adidas commercials are just based off of his friendships.

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01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 4: And personality alone.

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Speaker 1: Like this is like the like it's a it's a backdrop,

1373
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: you know, very you know, bland backdrop with just being himself,

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01:01:59,080 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

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01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 2: Somebody said when.

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01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 3: When Nike unveils an alien logo and nickname for Wemby, Right,

1377
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 3: so someone tweeteds, like, you know, whether you think this

1378
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 3: is sad or not, this is the best thing for

1379
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 3: the Like if you care about the health of basketball

1380
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 3: long term, this dude having a cool logo and brand.

1381
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 5: It's like, it's so important.

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01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 3: It's very significant, and it feels dorky and lame to

1383
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 3: say that, but it is super super significant. That like

1384
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 3: that is what casual fans latch onto. That's what captures imagination,

1385
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 3: is like an image that like that's what that's what

1386
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 3: it is with Kobe talking about Kobe versus Tim dunking,

1387
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 3: Kobe is a platonic representation of the idea of a

1388
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 3: certain type of competitiveness or grit or whatever that people like,

1389
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 3: you know, the accountants that the over here who don't

1390
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 3: watch basketball have a Kobe Bryant poster up on the

1391
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 3: wall or whatever because they're attached to that idea, you

1392
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

1393
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 9: This is also true before even before Michael Jordan, like

1394
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 9: Burden Magic and those Rebok commercials like that that existed.

1395
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 4: You know, Jordan just perfected people.

1396
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah with with the with the band Jordan ones off

1397
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: of Christ.

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01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 9: My point is just that it's always been true, even

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01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 9: like even if you don't like it, it's always been true.

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01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 1: And also I'm also like, man, I was talking to

1402
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: a friend about talking to a friend about this.

1403
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 4: Like I missed that era because like Jordan.

1404
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 1: Going to the ninety two Olympics with the with the

1405
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: focus of I'm going to leave this and it's my league.

1406
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: Fuck when you have that guy going with like Magic Bird,

1407
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: like Mary Birr was a the end, you know what

1408
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying, But like these guys were older, but that

1409
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: guy coming in with that mindset, Like I don't know

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01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 1: if we have that anymore. I think it's the closest

1411
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: to that, you know what I'm saying, where he's speaking

1412
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm the guy, you know what I'm.

1413
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 4: Saying, like out that way.

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01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's but min and I feel like we

1415
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: kind of need that when we need eyes that.

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01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm friends with these dudes.

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01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: I respect these dudes, I look up to them in

1418
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: a certain way, but fuck them too when it when

1419
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: it needs to be fun them sometimes, you know what

1420
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

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01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 5: Like, and is I one like that? I'm not sure,

1422
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 5: you know.

1423
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 6: Like, like there's a lot of guys, there's a lot

1424
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 6: of guys that have come up in the League out

1425
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 6: of America in the last ten years that haven't been

1426
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 6: wired that way. Like even Jason Tatum, as good as

1427
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 6: he is, I feel like he doesn't have that fuck

1428
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 6: you streak. You know, there's just very there just aren't.

1429
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 6: Like I think John Mars Jaw reminds me the difference

1430
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 6: between Jaw and Uh. The difference between Jaw and Ant

1431
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 6: reminds me a lot of the difference between like Lebron

1432
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 6: and Kobe were Like Lebron and Jaw are like showmen,

1433
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 6: and they're very much like benevolent, happy characters, but deep

1434
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 6: down they want to kill you or as like aunt

1435
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 6: Kobe types, they're like, I'm telling you I want to

1436
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 6: kill you like that that that's the difference. But yeah,

1437
01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 6: they're there. They're definitely. That is such an important that

1438
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 6: nastiness is such an important piece, and we definitely don't

1439
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 6: have enough of it coming up in our young American

1440
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 6: prospects for sure.

1441
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: Like during the game, you know what I'm saying, hitting

1442
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: a shot on Katie Wolfing, Like we need that.

1443
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

1444
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: You respect off the court afterwards, but like yo, like

1445
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: I'm letting you know this is my I'm here and

1446
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: this is me right now. Bro, you wash fuck nigga,

1447
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And then you so love afterwards,

1448
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

1449
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 6: But I was watching like a Knick's Magic game the

1450
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 6: other day, and like Karl Anthony Towns was like talking

1451
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 6: a bunch of shit to Mo Wagner, and I saw

1452
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 6: like some fans like explaining behind the scene. They're like, oh, yeah,

1453
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 6: these two have bad blood going back to this and this,

1454
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 6: and I need that. That's that's amazing, That's what I mean. Like,

1455
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 6: I mean, we just we need it. Not with kat Wagner, but.

1456
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but we need that somewhere else. Yeah yeah, yeah,

1457
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 4: we need that energy.

1458
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's there between the Grizzlies and the Lakers. Every

1459
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 6: time the Grizzlies and Lakers play each other, you can

1460
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 6: tell they fucking hate each other and it makes for

1461
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 6: an entertaining game every and we just need more of that.

1462
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 5: We need more We need more hate. That's the more.

1463
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 6: More pay show more hate.

1464
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 2: Please, all right, I guess on December nineteenth.

1465
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 3: All right, Christmas, Christmas, Jason, thanks for hopping on with us,

1466
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 3: bro appreciate you.

1467
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 2: Thanks to everyone for listening.

1468
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 3: We will be back on Sunday night with our next

1469
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 3: live after the NFL Sunda Night game.

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01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 2: As to yell that bye bye

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01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 7: The volume