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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noel.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,

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Speaker 3: you are you. You are here. That makes this the

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Speaker 3: stuff they don't want you to know. It is the

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Speaker 3: top of the week, it's the evening where we like

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Speaker 3: to explore what we call strange news. We're going to

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Speaker 3: learn about some very grisly things today, some quite disturbing things.

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Speaker 3: So for anybody listening along with the young leans and

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Speaker 3: the kiddos, please know this following commerce station may not

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Speaker 3: be appropriate for all audiences. We're talking about ghoulish insurance scams,

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Speaker 3: a mystery that is unraveling as we record, and we're

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Speaker 3: talking about I don't know, there's a There's so much

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Speaker 3: dark stuff today, guys, that I was thinking we could

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Speaker 3: just say one piece of nice news at the very beginning.

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Speaker 3: Is that, okay, very short, I got a nice thing, Okay,

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Speaker 3: and this is sort of an apology to the good

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Speaker 3: people of Worcester because for a long time, on multiple

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Speaker 3: shows we have joked about how.

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Speaker 2: It's unfil.

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Speaker 3: Uh. There we go. We've done that one. We've got

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Speaker 3: we did that with just now. Congrats Matt. We also

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Speaker 3: we also gave them a hard time about the misleading

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Speaker 3: a little dosa good news, and as a an all

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Speaker 3: of branch to the good people of Worcester or Wooster,

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Speaker 3: depending on your accents, as an olive branch to our

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Speaker 3: fellow conspiracy realists in that part of the world, we

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Speaker 3: are proud to announce that the library fees in this

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Speaker 3: town have fundamentally changed. If you have a late fee

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Speaker 3: at a library in this community, or you're getting a

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Speaker 3: fee for a damaged book or you lost something, et cetera,

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Speaker 3: you no longer have to pay for it in cash.

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Speaker 3: All you need to do, according to Boston dot Com,

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Speaker 4: Dang, do you think they're going to adopt that policy?

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Speaker 4: At my video store, there's so many late fee Yeah, dude,

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Speaker 4: I think I'm single handedly keeping that place in business

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Speaker 4: with my late fees because.

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Speaker 2: Of your late fees.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Video Drome. Okay, we could do an

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Speaker 3: episode of Video dro It's awesome.

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Speaker 4: It's also an incredibly fantastic David Cronenberg movie. But like,

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Speaker 4: you know, the thing, we're so we're so spoil by

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Speaker 4: You got to read these books, watch these movies in

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Speaker 3: And yeah, Video Drome, named after the film, is a

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Speaker 3: longstanding local rental institution. Right, we love Video Drome here.

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Speaker 3: I also am grateful, I think we all are to

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Speaker 4: They do do that. I was about to say, that's awesome,

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Speaker 4: but I'm glad to do that. I thought it was

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Speaker 4: You know what, when I get home from travels this evening,

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Speaker 3: Just do it? Yeah, just you know, grease the wheels

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Speaker 3: a little bit. This is the kind of lobbying I

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Speaker 3: like the library there in Massachusetts is calling this program

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Speaker 3: It's disturbing stuff. There was a production assistant on all

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Speaker 4: Past My Time. Well, he was in all that, which

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Speaker 4: And if I'm not mistaken, Amanda Bynes went on to

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Speaker 4: And we've returned with another piece of strange. This one

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Speaker 2: phone and share them with all of your followers.

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Speaker 3: Go on Instagram, Go on Instagram live. Hey, guys.

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Speaker 2: Snapchat is the best.

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Speaker 3: Snapchat's the best. Yeah, gotta keep her streak going.

435
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Speaker 2: But they'll never see anything.

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Speaker 3: No one can do it. You're so safe because you

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Speaker 3: changed your name a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yep, uh, just quickly. This is so weird. Okay. So

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Speaker 2: earlier I was in the studio here with Pain and

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Speaker 2: Chuck Payne, Lindsay from Up and Vanished and all the

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Speaker 2: other shows, and then Chuck Bryant from Stuff you should know.

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Speaker 2: They were discussing. A documentary called Vernon, Florida came up.

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Speaker 2: It's a documentary by yeah, yeah, but Errol Morris, and

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Speaker 2: it's about what you're talking about, Noel, I forgot.

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Speaker 3: About this one.

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Speaker 4: It's not the whole town where this has happened a

447
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Speaker 4: lot of times.

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Speaker 2: Yes, insurance fraud for like by way of amputating limbs.

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Speaker 2: And that's why Errol Morris originally went to that town

450
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Speaker 2: to make a documentary, but he ended up making it

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Speaker 2: about a different aspect of the town, just like interviewing

452
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Speaker 2: individuals and telling their stories. But this they were talking

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Speaker 2: about this very thing and how like it's raised its

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Speaker 2: head again as like ways to get fraudulent insurance claims

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Speaker 2: by like getting rid of body parts.

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Speaker 3: Right, and also you have to think, right, in a

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Speaker 3: time of massive rising unemployment coupled with rising inflation, the average,

458
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Speaker 3: even if you have a job, you get less money

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Speaker 3: for that job than you would have in the grand

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Speaker 3: scheme of things. People are looking for people who are

461
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Speaker 3: increasingly desperate or looking for alternate means of income. And

462
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Speaker 3: this is often lionized right by the Boffins and the

463
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Speaker 3: Thomas Friedman's of the world as a quote unquote gig economy, like, oh,

464
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Speaker 3: how great it is. You know, it's not great. A

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Speaker 3: gig economy is not optimal nor awesome. And there's another

466
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Speaker 3: thing in this article they shared here that surprised me

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Speaker 3: and then instantly didn't surprise me. Quote the FBI estimates

468
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Speaker 3: that four hundred to seven hundred dollars from the average

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Speaker 3: US families insurance premiums goes solely to covering insurance fraud cost?

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Speaker 3: Is the problem?

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Speaker 1: Then?

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Speaker 3: Like? Is it the problem privatized insurance? Or like how

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Speaker 3: would you? I don't know, do you guys think there's

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Speaker 3: gonna be more of this in the future? Will escalate?

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Speaker 4: It does seem you know, Now, we just had a

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Speaker 4: really cool conversation with a really cool director who's a

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Speaker 4: big fan of body horror, and I can't help but

478
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Speaker 4: think of the films of David Cronenberg where there's this

479
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Speaker 4: future that's depicted often where surgery is almost like a

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Speaker 4: fetish or something like that, and people, you know, like

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Speaker 4: sacrifice limbs almost as a lifestyle. And there is a

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Speaker 4: part of me that's like, is the is the future

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Speaker 4: a future where like, in the future, we won't even

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Speaker 4: need legs because everything's on the computer. And maybe, like

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Speaker 4: I don't I'm being a little silly, not silly, I mean,

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Speaker 4: maybe I'm being fatalistic, but uh, there I would maybe

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Speaker 4: think that the answer to that question, Ben is yes,

488
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Speaker 4: maybe for different reasons than we might think.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And that's and then we see I guess some

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Speaker 3: analogus too with uh with the stories of the red

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Speaker 3: market and uh monetized organ donation, right, all those all

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Speaker 3: those villages and rural areas across the world where people

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Speaker 3: have sold their kidneys, and their kidneys have been sold

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Speaker 3: at a dramatic markup. I don't know, man, I don't

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Speaker 3: know if I like this wet wear dystopian sci fi

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Speaker 3: civilization that we're headed toward.

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Speaker 4: Now, I don't either. And then again, I'm sorry. I

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Speaker 4: just want to make sure I'm not saying that everyone's

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Speaker 4: like these are all fetishistic weirdos that just want to

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Speaker 4: cut off their limbs for pleasure, like the Corona work.

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Speaker 4: There's obviously also people that are up against a wall

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Speaker 4: and have nowhere to go and this is the only

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Speaker 4: recourse to get that money. But I'm just kind of

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Speaker 4: doing a thought experiment where like, maybe there is a

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Speaker 4: future where this stuff goes up for other reasons. Sorry, man,

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Speaker 4: I didn't mean to drop.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's okay. I was just having flashbacks to the

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Speaker 2: Bad Blood episodes we just did where we're talking about,

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Speaker 2: you know, giving away our life blood for small amounts

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Speaker 2: of money because we need it.

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Speaker 3: Ugh.

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Speaker 2: If limbs can be produced in a lab, then people

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Speaker 2: won't have to donate their limbs, right unless it's some

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Speaker 2: kind of regeneration thing where you could you could donate

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Speaker 2: your arm and then regrow a new own and then

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Speaker 2: donate that one. Yikes. I don't want to think about

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Speaker 2: that either.

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Speaker 4: Well, lots to think about, whether you want to or not.

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Speaker 4: And I guess we'll take a quick break and hear

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Speaker 4: a word from our sponsor and then come back with

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Speaker 4: one more piece of strange.

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Speaker 2: News and we're back. Okay, guys, this is breaking news.

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Speaker 2: I think we all just saw this because it was

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Speaker 2: just posted for the first time as we're kind of

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Speaker 2: as we're recording, but we're going to talk about it,

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Speaker 2: see what we can figure out, and then we hope

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Speaker 2: to hear from you as the situation develops. So here

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Speaker 2: it begins. This is posted on the website of NBC News.

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Speaker 2: It is written by Patrick Smith and Dion Hampton. And

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Speaker 2: here's the title. Airport executive shot in firefight with federal

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Speaker 2: agents at his home in Arkansas. Here's the subtitle. Brian Malinowski,

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Speaker 2: fifty three, executive director at the Bill and Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 2: Airport in Little Rock, was injured after six am Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: So this is an airport executive.

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Speaker 3: Not an airline executive.

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Speaker 2: No no, no doting. Yeah yeah, it's not has none to

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Speaker 2: do of Boeing, at least that we're aware of right now.

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Speaker 2: This is the executive director at the Bill and Hillary

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Speaker 2: Clinton Airport in Little Rock, Arkansas, and he was shot

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Speaker 2: by federal agents who were arriving at his home to

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Speaker 2: serve a search warrant. Why, well, we don't know yet.

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Speaker 2: We do not know here's a statement from Arkansas State Police.

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Speaker 2: This is within that NBC article. He was quote injured

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Speaker 2: with gunshot wounds and treated on scene by paramedics before

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Speaker 2: being transported to a local hospital. Very strange. It appears,

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Speaker 2: at least through statements of his family, he was shot

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Speaker 2: in the head during this firefight. He is on life

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Speaker 2: support at least as we're recording this on Wednesday, March twentieth,

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Speaker 2: at four pm that's Eastern time. And we have no

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Speaker 2: idea why. We know that Brian again as an executive,

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Speaker 2: made a pretty good amount of money around two hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty thousand dollars a year, and we don't know

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Speaker 2: why the ATF was hanging out at his place and

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Speaker 2: trying to serve a search warrant early at early hours

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Speaker 2: in the morning.

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Speaker 3: We can maybe, yeah, because Matt with the source you shared,

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Speaker 3: like NBC and then also local affiliates there, there isn't

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Speaker 3: a ton of information. But I think maybe we can postulate,

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Speaker 3: I want to say speculate, but postulyly. The the ATF

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Speaker 3: has a specific area of focus and expertise. Could it

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Speaker 3: have possibly had something to do with alcohol, tobacco or firearms?

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Speaker 2: Probably firearms we know from that NBC article that other

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Speaker 2: people in the neighborhood, this is a residential neighborhood where

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Speaker 2: this was occurring. Other people saw quote guns and ammunition

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Speaker 2: being loaded onto a trailer while firefighters carried a circular saw,

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Speaker 2: crowbars and other tools into the house as though they

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Speaker 2: are attempting to gain access to some room or safe

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Speaker 2: or area that they could not gain access to traditionally.

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Speaker 3: Right, sounds like gun running, then it sounds like.

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Speaker 2: It could be it's an executive director of an airport.

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Speaker 2: And what we have learned, at least through the let's say,

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Speaker 2: let's say allegations that come out of Emena, Arkansas about

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Speaker 2: gun and drug running out of an airport there, that

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Speaker 2: there are allegations that have to do with the Clintons,

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Speaker 2: by the way, ps and this happens to be the

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Speaker 2: director of the Bill and Hillary Clinton National Airport. Maybe

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Speaker 2: it's just all coincidence, and maybe that's weird. Who knows.

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Speaker 2: I'm not seeing anyone talking about gun running right now,

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Speaker 2: like through the airport or through use of.

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Speaker 3: The airport, right or the authorities. Yeah, but then you

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Speaker 3: know the idea, like the scene we're describing, as reported

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Speaker 3: from the neighbors even discounting eyewitness testimonies problem that seems

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Speaker 3: more likely. One of the first questions people would have

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Speaker 3: is if there is illegal firearm trade, er, if there

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Speaker 3: is gun running, what is it related to? Like, you know,

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Speaker 3: gun running doesn't work if you're just one person. It's

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Speaker 3: not like the card game Solitaire. You run the guns

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Speaker 3: from point A two point z where there are other people.

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Speaker 3: So who are those other people? This is all if

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Speaker 3: then stuff. But also, Matt, I have never been a

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Speaker 3: confession moment of accountability. I've never been an airline or

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Speaker 3: airport executive. Are they well to do? Do they make

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Speaker 3: good money?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean it's stated in that NBC News

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Speaker 2: article I think as a statement from his brother, this

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Speaker 2: gentleman Brian Melanowski's brother saying that he earned around two

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year, you know, core

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Speaker 2: a million dollars a year. Not too chabby. But you

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Speaker 2: know who, who's to say if he's got that much money.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand why you would need extra income, you know,

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Speaker 2: doing some drug running. If you've got a legitimate job

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Speaker 2: that pays you that much money, you know, unless there's

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Speaker 2: some greed aspirations or political connections that were not yet seeing. Also,

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Speaker 2: according to his brother, he had just met with Arkansas

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Speaker 2: senators last week in Washington for quote official airport business.

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Speaker 3: That is such a that is such a vague term.

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Speaker 3: I would have written that in sketch comedy. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: this is official airport business.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and the brother said, quote that tells you

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Speaker 2: the circles he's running in unquote, And again, we look,

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Speaker 2: we have to say it this way on the show

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Speaker 2: for many reasons, some of them are legal. There are

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Speaker 2: a ton of allegations about stuff that goes down with

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Speaker 2: state politics in Arkansas that goes it dates way back

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Speaker 2: into the eighties, right, and it's even further back than that,

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Speaker 2: And you know, we've we've talked about a lot of

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Speaker 2: those things openly on this show, where we've explored some

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Speaker 2: of those allegations. It does make you wonder if any

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Speaker 2: of it continues on, right, and if there is an

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Speaker 2: organized crime element of some sort that could be involved here,

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Speaker 2: wasn't there's.

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Speaker 3: Something familiar about that town And I'm trying to was

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Speaker 3: it a ron contra?

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Speaker 2: Which town are we talking about?

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Speaker 3: Mina, Arkansas?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? This wait, this one isn't in Mina, though, this.

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Speaker 3: One isn't in Mina. Okay, I'm thinking, I'm just think now,

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking just wild Arkansas accusations.

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Speaker 2: Mina, Arkansas touches on. Lord, I'm I don't know for sure. Mina,

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Speaker 2: Arkansas is one of the places where we did our

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Speaker 2: Clinton episode back in twenty sixteen. That's when we discussed

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Speaker 2: that airport, specifically drug running.

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Speaker 3: Drug running related to Ron Contra through the AES. I

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Speaker 3: remembering that now, okay. But also because for a certain

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Speaker 3: for a certain demographic of people in the U having

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Speaker 3: the Clinton name attached to something immediately makes it super sus.

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, it weirdly it does. Yeah, even though it

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00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily mean anything. It's just for the it's just

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Speaker 2: again because of allegations of corruption within Arkansas and the

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Speaker 2: state government, and because Bill Clinton was the head of

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Speaker 2: the state government there for a while as governor.

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Speaker 3: And then again also because there was so much is

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Speaker 3: the problem, you know, and even knowing that some of

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Speaker 3: that has to necessarily be political hit pieces because of

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Speaker 3: the nature of American political discourse. There's a lot of smoke,

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Speaker 3: that's all we can say. There's a lot of smoke

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Speaker 3: from this time period. I don't know, man, I've never

649
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Speaker 3: heard of an airport executive in the United States being

650
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Speaker 3: in as our pal Lauren would say, an actual facts shootout,

651
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Speaker 3: like that's not in their skill set nor their CV.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Like what what's the implication exactly? There's some

653
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Speaker 4: kind of sex secret life like a like what would

654
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Speaker 4: lead one occupying a position and of such legitimacy and

655
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Speaker 4: prominence to go this route?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, according to some of the reporting and some of

658
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Speaker 2: the statements, Brian Melanowski did collect guns like weapons. Perhaps

659
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Speaker 2: some of those were caught up in some kind of

660
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Speaker 2: investigation and the ATF was coming to search the home.

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Speaker 2: We don't know. This is all speculation on my part.

662
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Speaker 2: Maybe that's why they showed up for this with the

663
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Speaker 2: search warrant. Maybe it has something to do with something.

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Speaker 2: Little Rock Public Radio or it's Little Rock Arkansas's NPR

665
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Speaker 2: station reported on about this weird property dispute that was

666
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Speaker 2: happening with Brian Melanowski in a neighbor that's really it's

667
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Speaker 2: it's too much to even talk about right now. It

668
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 2: has to do with a mailbox that Brian melanows Ski

669
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Speaker 2: was like, this is on my property. And then there's

670
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: a winding maze of strange things that occurred, and at

671
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Speaker 2: the end, Brian Malanowski failed to get this mailbox removed

672
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Speaker 2: from what he says was his property. You can look

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Speaker 2: that up. It's titled Airport director involved in shootout previously

674
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Speaker 2: at center of property dispute. It's on ual Rpublic Radio

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Speaker 2: dot org.

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Speaker 3: Nice I was looking at some of the local sources here,

677
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Speaker 3: but I want to because as you said at the top,

678
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Speaker 3: that we the public do not have a ton of

679
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Speaker 3: information about the mechanics of this event. I think we

680
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 3: can safely say though, that any rational actor getting into

681
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Speaker 3: a shootout, a home game shootout with something on the

682
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Speaker 3: level of the ATF, they have to know that's a

683
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Speaker 3: suicide run. Like you don't walk out of that.

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Speaker 2: No, Yeah, so that is.

685
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Speaker 3: What would it have been that could make this guy

686
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Speaker 3: do that? Suicide runs is like a setup of some kind?

687
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Speaker 4: Is this a distraction from something else that's going on

688
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 4: with this guy that he'd get over his head with

689
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Speaker 4: somebody like it just seems like secret life kind of

690
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Speaker 4: stuff to me.

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Speaker 3: It's wild.

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Speaker 2: If it's true what Matthew Melanowski's saying, that's the brother

693
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Speaker 2: of the victim here and Brian did meet with quote

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Speaker 2: Arkansas senators last week in Washington for quote official airport business.

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Speaker 2: I would love to know the minutes of that meeting,

696
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Speaker 2: or at least the general nature of.

697
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Speaker 3: The seconds, just the tenor of the discussion. Oh yeah, yeah,

698
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Speaker 3: if not the minutes, the seconds, I like that. Yeah,

699
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 3: it's like the conversation between Uncle Gee and Uncle Joe

700
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,959
Speaker 3: right where they're just saying, hey, a good one. We'd

701
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 3: like if you read just the minutes of those guys conversations,

702
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 3: it would seem relatively innocuous because you're missing so much

703
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Speaker 3: in tone. But you're right, this is the information that

704
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Speaker 3: we would need to figure out what happened, and we

705
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 3: can't forget. You know, there's a family that's had their

706
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 3: lives horrifically upended, and regardless of what we conclude about

707
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 3: this or what we're all thinking as we're hearing the story,

708
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 3: we have to remember that there are there are human

709
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 3: beings affected by this who are most likely innocent and

710
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 3: uninvolved in whatever the hell is going on or was

711
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 3: going on with Malanowski.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and we have to state maybe Brian Melanowski

713
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 2: was surprised by armed men showing up at his house. Right,

714
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Speaker 2: he just defended his home and himself and anybody else

715
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Speaker 2: who's in the house and he didn't know.

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Speaker 4: Has a bit of a standard ground kind of situation.

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Speaker 2: Perhaps, Yeah, well, that's.

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Speaker 3: Not why people have firearms in their home.

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Speaker 4: It's true, break.

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Speaker 3: Ins and violence do occur. I also wonder, like, do

721
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Speaker 3: we It feels like there are some more official statements

722
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 3: maybe that should be on the way. I can only assume.

723
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Speaker 3: And he was also, Yeah, because he would have been

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Speaker 3: He would have been competent with a firearm because he's

725
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 3: an enthusiast and a collector, so surely that means he

726
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 3: goes to the range and doesn't let a skills atrophy.

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Speaker 3: Were there any ATF wounds or injuries.

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Speaker 2: Yeah? One ATF officer was I guess shot or wounded,

729
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: but in non critical condition, was taken to the hospital. Okay, guys,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what else there is to say here.

731
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Speaker 2: We've done so much speculation already, simply because this is

732
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 2: such a new story. We cannot wait to hear what

733
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 2: you find as you're listening to this, and maybe new

734
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 2: stuff has come out right to us, let us know details.

735
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 2: We can't wait to hear from you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and we have one thing to add. This is

737
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Speaker 3: a This is a special message for my pal Jack,

738
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 3: for our pal Jack over at the Daily Zeitgeist, and

739
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 3: for our fellow conspiracy realists who have been checking out

740
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 3: the Havana syndrome. There's a new update. Ah, Jack is

741
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 3: gonna love this. You know, we were going back and

742
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 3: forth on Twitter about this. There is a new study

743
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 3: that has been conducted over the course of five years

744
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 3: that finds there are no brain injuries among Havana syndrome patients.

745
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 3: Really really, I know, right, that's that's the sound our

746
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 3: pals are making on the West Coast right now. But yes,

747
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 3: as you said, Matt, let us know what is going

748
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 3: on with all of the stuff we discussed in Strange

749
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 3: News this evening is Havannah syndrome, psychosomatic, attic, insane is

750
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 3: the pressure?

751
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Speaker 2: Sorry guys on that note, for real, I've been getting

752
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 2: terrible sleep for the past like four nights and I've

753
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: woken up at three am.

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Speaker 3: Exactly free Na time.

755
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's exactly at three am. And there is an

756
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys have this weird sinastasia

757
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 2: thing where you can hear electricity yes, sometimes like the

758
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 2: buzz of that field, that electromagnetic field. Not everybody can hear.

759
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 3: That, by the way, Oh, it's like cilantro.

760
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: It is like seriously, but I wake up at three

761
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: am and I hear this super high pitched elect like

762
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 2: electrical sound is the only way I can describe it.

763
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,439
Speaker 2: So then I actually did some recordings at the house

764
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: to be like, what the heck is this thing? And

765
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 2: it is. You can see it in the upper levels

766
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 2: of frequency that like you guys know Adobe audition, right,

767
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 2: it will show you like that upper echelon if you

768
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 2: look at the spectral vision. Yeah, there is something penetrating

769
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 2: my house. Boys, can you send it?

770
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Speaker 3: I would love to. I would love to dig into

771
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 3: that off air.

772
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna I'm gonna save it, put it

773
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 2: on some hard drives, back it up a couple of times,

774
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 2: and then hide it in various places so authorities can find.

775
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 3: It good for their comments publicly, right, Yeah, I just

776
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 3: wanted to say here, guys.

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Speaker 4: It really makes me want to pull the trigger on

778
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 4: buying that mic I mentioned in our Infrasound episode. Company

779
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 4: called Soma Electronics makes a mic called ether that is

780
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 4: a wide band receiver that allows you to perceive the

781
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 4: electromagnetic landscape around you. It's an anti radio and it

782
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 4: picks up nothing but that interference that other mics are

783
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 4: designed to filter out.

784
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Speaker 2: We need a reason to hang out of my place.

785
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: Bring it over, I'm going to do it. Order right now.

786
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 3: How much room for activities? Also, I'm with you there, Matt.

787
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 3: As everybody knows, I do not practice normal human sleep

788
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 3: patterns and have had some some weird stuff going on too.

789
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 3: So if we ever sound a little loopy, that's that's

790
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 3: part of it, and we're keeping it as part of

791
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 3: the show. Folks, do be safe out there. Also, let

792
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 3: us know what you think about the rise in potential

793
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 3: opportunistic fraud as the insurance industry is called. And you know, also,

794
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 3: please please please not blowing smoke. Let us know what

795
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 3: your take on the dark side of Nickelodeon allegations is.

796
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 3: And let us know how far how deep you believe

797
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 3: this may go. Is there a cover up, is it active?

798
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 3: What else does it tell us about the darker side

799
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Speaker 3: of entertainment in Hollywood? We want to hear all this

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801
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