WEBVTT - LIVE: Minneapolis - The Madd Gasser of Mattoon

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's

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<v Speaker 2>Charles W. Chuck, Wayne Bryant. Jerry's not here, but all

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<v Speaker 2>of these lovely people are here at the State Theater

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<v Speaker 2>in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Him.

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<v Speaker 2>Not bad for a Thursday, Not bad at all. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you guys for that feeling good. We'll edit that part out,

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<v Speaker 2>so tonight we're going to talk to you guys about

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<v Speaker 2>a little town you may or may not have heard of.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called Mattoon, Illinois. Has anyone ever heard of Mettun

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<v Speaker 2>a few of you? Is anyone from.

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<v Speaker 1>Mattoon any tunes out there? Really?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we'll try not to be mad at us because

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<v Speaker 2>the show starts like this. Mattoon is in a kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a triangle between Chicago to the north, Saint Louis

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<v Speaker 2>to the south, Indianapolis to whatever's over here, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>just far enough away from all of them to not

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<v Speaker 2>really get any of their reflective interestingness. Right, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are two things that Mattoon lays claim to. One,

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<v Speaker 2>it calls itself the Begel Capital of the World because

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty five, Lenders Begels opened a factory there.

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<v Speaker 2>That is it.

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<v Speaker 1>New York has no problem with this. Montreal has no

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<v Speaker 1>problem with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Number two, Mattoon is world renowned for having been terrorized

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<v Speaker 2>by a mad gasser who went from house to house,

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<v Speaker 2>spraying residents with a noxious paralytic gas while they were

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<v Speaker 2>tucked safely away in their homes. Yeah right, Either that

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<v Speaker 2>or the town of Mattun went through one of the

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<v Speaker 2>best documented cases of mass delusion that has ever happened.

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<v Speaker 2>And the world's actually divided on what went down in

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<v Speaker 2>Mettune in nineteen forty four, and we're going to dive

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<v Speaker 2>into that here tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>What it wouldn't be funny After reaction, they're like, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, amazing. If you're like, so this is about

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<v Speaker 1>Linderspagels and sponsored.

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<v Speaker 2>We'd like to thank Lenders.

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<v Speaker 1>You should google that other super interesting story though.

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<v Speaker 2>Chucks full of beans tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody bullow what beans it means?

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, I'm full of it?

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<v Speaker 1>Where I come from, I've never heard that. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>that means we're party. No, I don't full of beans

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<v Speaker 1>the musical fruit.

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<v Speaker 2>All of these kay.

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell No, of course not well, nevermind.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, keep moving on.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna take you back in time and hop

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<v Speaker 1>in the way back machine and go back to nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty four when it took place. Ok, wow, wayback machine.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the wayback machine. By the way, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>in the mind. So we're all there together. I suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>just sound like a cult leader. So Matune in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty four was a pretty small town of about sixteen thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's still a pretty small town if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not mistaken. And it's populated back then with people with

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<v Speaker 1>some great names. So you're gonna hear some nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 1>four names tonight, like Bertha and Elmer and.

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<v Speaker 2>Hebrew Hebrew's my favorite, and Beulah.

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<v Speaker 1>And Urban, like great nineteen forties names that you just

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<v Speaker 1>don't hear anymore unless you are like a super hipster

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<v Speaker 1>and you name your kid Beulah. Yeah that's my great grandmother,

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<v Speaker 1>I promise. It was surrounded by fields corn and soybean,

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<v Speaker 1>so a lot of farming went on there. They did

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<v Speaker 1>have a couple of railroad junctions that still went through

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<v Speaker 1>the town, which was good because that also provided work.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there were a few factories we looked up

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<v Speaker 1>to see what was interesting, and there was a shoe company,

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<v Speaker 1>the Brown Shoe Company there, which seemed pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we couldn't get to the bottom of whether it

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<v Speaker 2>was named after the owner or they just made brown shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was nineteen forty four, I bet it was both.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a little bit from column May, a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>from columb But long way of saying, if you lived

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<v Speaker 2>in Mattoon, you probably were a farmer.

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<v Speaker 1>You may have worked on the railroad although livelong day,

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<v Speaker 1>or you might have worked at one of those factories.

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<v Speaker 1>It's what they call the pre bagel era.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. There's one other thing you need to know

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<v Speaker 2>about Mattoon in nineteen forty four. A significant portion of

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<v Speaker 2>its young men had left town and were off fighting

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<v Speaker 2>the World War two at the time, so it was

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<v Speaker 2>an anxious place to be back then. And this whole

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<v Speaker 2>thing that we're going to talk about tonight, the mad

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<v Speaker 2>Gasser of Mettune. It all started, depending on how you

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<v Speaker 2>look at it, on the night of Friday, September first,

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<v Speaker 2>at the home of mister and missus Burt Kearney. And

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<v Speaker 2>that is how they described women back then. They didn't

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<v Speaker 2>use their first names. Because what else do you need

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<v Speaker 2>to know? She's married to Burt. She took his last name.

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<v Speaker 2>Who cares about anything else? Well, we care, So we

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<v Speaker 2>went to great links to find the first names of

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<v Speaker 2>the women who were attacked. I'm a bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>thank you. Chuck has more stamina than me. I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a quitter. So I gave up with like

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<v Speaker 2>three or four, laughed, and he's like, no, and we

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<v Speaker 2>got it down to one. There's only one woman whose

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<v Speaker 2>first name. We couldn't find this whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I couldn't find it. I've spent a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>time on ancestry dot com and find a grave dot

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<v Speaker 1>com because sometimes literally the only way you could find

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<v Speaker 1>out a woman's name is by standing over her grave

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<v Speaker 1>and looking at her gravestone, which is very sad. But

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<v Speaker 1>we got almost everyone. Yeah, so what was her name?

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<v Speaker 2>Her name was Aileen missus Kearny's first name was Aileen,

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<v Speaker 2>and at the time, her sister, Martha Reedy was staying

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<v Speaker 2>with her because Martha's husband was off fighting in World

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<v Speaker 2>War two overseas, and so that's why they let Martha

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<v Speaker 2>use her first name temporarily.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he was.

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<v Speaker 1>Very generous. So about eleven PM. In this house, Aileen

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<v Speaker 1>retired to bed with her toddler daughter Dorothy at eleven PM.

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<v Speaker 1>I can only imagine this because Dorothy had just gotten

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<v Speaker 1>home from working at the factory that day, and Aileen

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<v Speaker 1>noticed a strange smell in the house, like a really

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<v Speaker 1>sickeningly sweet guardinia kind of smell. They got stronger and stronger,

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<v Speaker 1>and as the smell grew stronger, she noticed that she

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<v Speaker 1>was losing I'm laughing, it's not funny, losing power over

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<v Speaker 1>her legs and arms, like it was paralyzing her. Her

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<v Speaker 1>mouth and throat got really dry and were burning. Little

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<v Speaker 1>Dorothy became ill. Don't worry, she would be okay, and

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<v Speaker 1>she called out for her sister because she was rightfully scared.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, her sister and in the room and was like,

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<v Speaker 2>what the hell is that? Smelling through the window open

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<v Speaker 2>and ran next door to Earl Robertson's house. No trouble

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<v Speaker 2>finding his name, right, He was the next door neighbor,

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<v Speaker 2>and he ran over to see what was going on.

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<v Speaker 2>And he went and searched the yard to see if

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<v Speaker 2>he could find anything, and he found absolutely nothing. They

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<v Speaker 2>called the cops. The cops came out. They searched and

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't find anything either, And everything's kind of settled

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<v Speaker 2>down for about an hour after that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so Alien's husband, the aforementioned Bert, is a cab driver.

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<v Speaker 1>Was a cab driver, and he was driving around in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty four. When you're a cab driver, there's no

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<v Speaker 1>way to get in touch with anyone unless you stand

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<v Speaker 1>on the corner and pretend like you need a ride.

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<v Speaker 1>No radios in the car or anything like that. And

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<v Speaker 1>they finally got in touch with Bert about an hour

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<v Speaker 1>and a half later. He rushes home at twelve thirty am,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is very key. When he pulls in an

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<v Speaker 1>hour and a half later, after the cops have gone,

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<v Speaker 1>he sees a tall, shadowy figure, tall, thin, athletic build

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<v Speaker 1>in the backyard, wearing what was described as a watch cap.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know what that was, but it's just like

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<v Speaker 1>a toboggan, like a beanie. I don't know which regionally

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<v Speaker 1>you call it here? What do you call it here? Beanie? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll go with Beanie. I didn't know if you were

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<v Speaker 1>close enough to Canada to call it a tuke. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you close to Canada? Where are we? I'm sorry, I

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<v Speaker 1>woke up from a nap and came straight here.

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<v Speaker 2>So did you really?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, I woke up and I was here thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>minutes later. Wow with a shower.

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<v Speaker 2>That's impressive and a tooth brush. Did you take a

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<v Speaker 2>shower on the way?

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<v Speaker 1>I did. You just got to select uber shower.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't share those though, right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they'd be fun. So he saw this figure, He

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<v Speaker 1>chased this prowler. The prowler runs away, gets away. They

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<v Speaker 1>call the cops, back out, the cops come back out.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, there's nothing there still, And that was about it.

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<v Speaker 1>About ninety minutes after onset, Aileen was able to move

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<v Speaker 1>her arms and legs. Little Dorothy was feeling fine. The

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<v Speaker 1>next morning, went off to the factory to work and

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<v Speaker 1>everything was okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that was the end of that. But the

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<v Speaker 2>story continues. The next day, a guy from the local paper,

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<v Speaker 2>the Mattoon Journal Gazette. His name was John Miller. He

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<v Speaker 2>was one of their writers, He was an editor. He

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<v Speaker 2>kind of did it all. He found out about this

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<v Speaker 2>story and he investigated it, and that night's paper, Saturday's

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<v Speaker 2>paper had a huge headline across the front page, took

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<v Speaker 2>up six of the eight columns on page one anesthetic

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<v Speaker 2>prowler on the loose.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The other two headlines we like to do our research.

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<v Speaker 1>We went on the micropiche big headline there, Bagel's Breakfast

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<v Speaker 1>to the Future. They were trying to build up some buds, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>forty years earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>So there was a sub sub headline too, missus Kearney

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<v Speaker 2>and daughter first victims. And so keep in mind, this

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<v Speaker 2>one incident happened. This is the lone incident as far

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<v Speaker 2>as anyone knew, nothing else had happened. And yet they

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<v Speaker 2>were described as the first victims of the anesthetic prowler

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<v Speaker 2>that's now clearly on the loose. This is what the

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<v Speaker 2>paper said to everybody the day after the attack.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think even speculated about what it might be.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a lot of speculation early on, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, So you have to keep in mind

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<v Speaker 1>the Matune Journal gazette was received by ninety seven percent

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<v Speaker 1>of the town, which I thought was hysterical because even

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen forty four there were the three centers who

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<v Speaker 1>was like mainstream media, no better not throw that paper

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<v Speaker 1>on my front porch. But it was a little paper.

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<v Speaker 1>It was almost like a church bulletin. It was very sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>It was about six or eight pages long. Typically it

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<v Speaker 1>did not publish on Sundays. Well, I guess it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like a church bulletin or holidays, and this was Labor

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<v Speaker 1>Day weekend, so the story runs on Saturday, Sunday followed,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Labor Day Monday followed. So the story is

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<v Speaker 1>lobbed out there about this mad gasser. First victims, and

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<v Speaker 1>people are just sitting around waiting for news to roll

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<v Speaker 1>in for two.

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<v Speaker 2>Days, right, And then they weren't just sitting around though.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people came forward. They'd read the story and were like,

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<v Speaker 2>this happened to me too. There was one woman named

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<v Speaker 2>missus Olive Brown who had suffered an attack a few

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<v Speaker 2>months before, and the local softball commissioner too, Yeah, this is.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy's name is Urban Raife what in nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 1>four name? That is? He and his wife Pauline we

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<v Speaker 1>got her name, said that they experienced the same thing

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<v Speaker 1>just one night before Aileen and little Dorothy. And I

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<v Speaker 1>guess Urban thought it might be a gas leak. So

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<v Speaker 1>even though he was literally paralyzed, he somehow asked his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>woke her up and asked her if she had left

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<v Speaker 1>the gas on. I'm not sure how that happened. She

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<v Speaker 1>had not right, so they noticed the smell. After about

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<v Speaker 1>ninety minutes, it wore off and they chopped it up

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<v Speaker 1>to eating bad hot dogs.

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<v Speaker 2>They were paralyzed for ninety minutes, and they just chalked

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<v Speaker 2>it up.

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<v Speaker 1>To the hot dogs, you know that, saying, Yodo Twins game,

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<v Speaker 1>have a hot dog from like the fifth inning on.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't move.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, I can't do the seventh inning stretch.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they thought it was that. We've all been there.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's another family. All these people are coming forward

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<v Speaker 2>now from the Saturday's article, the family of Patrice Ryder

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<v Speaker 2>and her kids. They were also ill. They were struck ill.

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<v Speaker 2>She became kind of lightheaded. She found her kids vomiting,

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<v Speaker 2>and Shirley said, oh, it must be the hot dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesday was also the day we got our first physical evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>There was one Beula Cordis, who came home on that

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<v Speaker 1>night and found a piece of pink cloth that was

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<v Speaker 1>not hers on her front porch, and she picked it up.

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<v Speaker 1>She noticed it was moist, and she did what you do.

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<v Speaker 1>She put it in her face and inhaled deeply. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and what happened to her.

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<v Speaker 2>She described as like coming into contact with a strong

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<v Speaker 2>electrical current. By the way, she immediately regretted, huffing, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a strange pink rag. Yeah, she said. Her knees

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<v Speaker 2>went wildly, and then it gets worse. Her lips cracked,

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<v Speaker 2>her mouth went dry, they started to bleed. She began

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<v Speaker 2>bleeding from her mouth, and again she regretted, huffing that

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<v Speaker 2>pinkregg basically right off the bat for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>The same night, about an hour later, there was a

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<v Speaker 1>woman named Marjorie Burrell. She was stricken, but and this

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<v Speaker 1>is also key, in the same house her eighteen month

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<v Speaker 1>old son, fresh known from the factory, completely unaffected.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So now it's clear there's something weird going on.

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<v Speaker 2>This wasn't just one incident. People are coming forward and

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<v Speaker 2>now they're also finding physical evidence of stuff. Right. So

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<v Speaker 2>the next night, it was Wednesday, September fifth, and there

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<v Speaker 2>were four more attacks, One on Laura Jenkin, the owner

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<v Speaker 2>of the Big Four restaurant. From what we can tell,

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<v Speaker 2>she was unaffiliated with any man. There was another one

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<v Speaker 2>about an hour later on missus Viola Spangler, and then

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<v Speaker 2>about an hour after that, eleven year old Glenda Hendershot

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<v Speaker 2>was attacked and she was the daughter of a mister Hendershot.

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<v Speaker 1>Right factory manager by the.

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<v Speaker 2>Way, she was the little girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost cigars.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think we mentioned too that the cops took

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<v Speaker 1>hold obviously took the evidence into hand at pink cloth,

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess it managed to avoid the urge to

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<v Speaker 1>breathe deeply into it because it's it's moist. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what you do. Let me see what that is. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>at the worst, it's a cat urine.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be pretty bad.

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<v Speaker 1>It'd be terrible, a snoop.

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<v Speaker 2>Full of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Also, a sixty year old man named Fred Goebel

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<v Speaker 1>was stricken about an hour after that. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>also key because this was the second spotting of an individual,

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<v Speaker 1>another tall, thin prowler fleeing the scene.

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<v Speaker 2>And we did the math. Fred Goebels was sixty and

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty four, which would make him roughly eight hundred

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<v Speaker 2>years old today.

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<v Speaker 1>The Josh math. I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>It works out sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. So by Thursday night in Mattoon, Illinois, it

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<v Speaker 1>is on like Donkey Kong, even though that wasn't a thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and the town were pretty scared. People were you know, rightfully.

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<v Speaker 1>So they were locking their doors, they were locking their windows,

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<v Speaker 1>which is not something you really did back then.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the town paper wasn't helping things either. On

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<v Speaker 2>Thursday's paper, there was another headline, another six columns of

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<v Speaker 2>eight columns, Mad and Nestetist strikes again with an exclamation

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<v Speaker 2>point this time. So there is pulling out all the stops.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, if you're curious. The other headline bagels colon

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<v Speaker 1>like an unsweetened donut. So another thing started happening on Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>which is these gentlemen and their sons in the town,

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<v Speaker 1>the Anti Theft Association, got their guns, got some makeshift weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>These are those three percent. I think I need to

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<v Speaker 1>point that out. They start roaming the town like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the vigilantes, like there were quasi deputy. I think they

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<v Speaker 1>were supposed to, you know, like the cops would get

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<v Speaker 1>help from them for cattle wrestling and like chicken thieving

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that. But they knew this was a

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<v Speaker 1>big deal, so they grabbed their guns and gut in

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<v Speaker 1>their trucks and did their thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so after only a couple of newspaper reports the

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<v Speaker 2>course of a few days, the town of Mattoon is

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<v Speaker 2>really high strung. The police commissioner, the guy in charge

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<v Speaker 2>of all of the police for Mettun, was quoted in

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<v Speaker 2>the paper as saying that he wouldn't walk across his

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<v Speaker 2>own backyard at night for ten thousand dollars. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the guy in charge.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, as we do. We did our financial

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<v Speaker 1>conversion because we love those. You knew it would feature

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<v Speaker 1>a financial money conversion, so we went to our TRUSTe

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<v Speaker 1>west Egg calculator and that would be one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>seventy six, three hundred and six dollars per day. So

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<v Speaker 1>he's not helping matters that would walk through any backyards

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<v Speaker 1>for that kind of day, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So they also issued a PSA to citizen which said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're going to shoot somebody looking through your window,

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<v Speaker 2>take care because there's these vigilantes out wandering around looking

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<v Speaker 2>through your window. So we don't want you guys shooting

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<v Speaker 2>one another.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, good. So this was sort of a busy

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<v Speaker 1>time for the cops obviously, right, because they didn't usually

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<v Speaker 1>get calls like this, right.

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<v Speaker 2>No, and they weren't set up for crime. The Mattsom

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<v Speaker 2>Police Department wasn't certainly not for a spiking crime. So

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<v Speaker 2>politically the police force was in disarray. You had Thomas Wright,

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<v Speaker 2>the guy wh wouldn't walk through his own backyard, the

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<v Speaker 2>police commissioner. Ostensibly he's in charge, he's calling the shots.

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<v Speaker 2>But they also had a police chief. His name was

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<v Speaker 2>ce Cole, and he seems to have been totally comfortable

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<v Speaker 2>undermining Thomas Wright's authority at every turn. And to make

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<v Speaker 2>matters worse, the police force was split down the middle,

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<v Speaker 2>with some loyal to Thomas right and some loyal to

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<v Speaker 2>Chief Coal. And that's not a good thing when you

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<v Speaker 2>only have ten people on your police force.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that was about half of what they should

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<v Speaker 1>have had. They were understaffed. They should have had around

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<v Speaker 1>twenty cops only had ten. And as a result of this,

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<v Speaker 1>over the previous months there was you know, sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a spike and crime that didn't have anything to do

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<v Speaker 1>with this, like robberies and stuff like that. There were

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<v Speaker 1>army checks rolling in. A lot of the young men

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<v Speaker 1>were off fighting. Like we said, everyone knew that. So

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<v Speaker 1>there was a spike and crime for a Mattoon. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it's anything you know, to worry about like

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<v Speaker 1>today's big cities. Sure, but for Mattoon. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>spike and crime right.

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<v Speaker 2>So the understaffed, resource strapped Mattoon police department took to

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<v Speaker 2>ignoring and covering up crimes that it didn't have the

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<v Speaker 2>resources to investigate.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. The cops are hard at work. They're freaking

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<v Speaker 1>out a little bit. They started working, you know, double

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<v Speaker 1>shifts because they were down half of what they should

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<v Speaker 1>have been. Like we said, they also didn't have two

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<v Speaker 1>A radios in the car. Yet they did exist, but

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't afford that kind of thing in such a

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<v Speaker 1>small department. So when calls came in, they came into

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<v Speaker 1>city Hall and there had to be a cop there

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<v Speaker 1>with a car that said, well, well where are we

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to go? And that's how they got police out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not the best way to run the police force.

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<v Speaker 2>And then even worse, the vigilantes from the anti Theft Association.

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<v Speaker 2>They figured out that if they hung around city Hall

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<v Speaker 2>and when the cops peeled off, they were going to

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<v Speaker 2>a call, so that any theft association would tear off

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<v Speaker 2>after him, ostensibly with bluegrass music playing them on. And

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<v Speaker 2>eventually the police department was like, we're going to arrest

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<v Speaker 2>you if you keep following us to calls to shoot

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<v Speaker 2>whoever's there.

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<v Speaker 1>So things are getting a little crazy, just like a

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<v Speaker 1>movie would happen, or I guess what would happen to movie?

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<v Speaker 1>What a weird way to say that. The states that

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<v Speaker 1>two investigators one Richard Piper and Francis with an I

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<v Speaker 1>Barry from the Illinois Bureau of Crime, Identification and Investigation. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a little where it doesn't even spell anything, it

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<v Speaker 1>spells ye. So yeah, good point. So they arrived on Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was when these vigilantes had kind of hit

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<v Speaker 1>the streets. Things are getting a little crazy. They take

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<v Speaker 1>possession of that pink cloth from Bula Cordis again managing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it probably was harmless by this point, but

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't press it into their face, thankfully, because they're

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<v Speaker 1>real pros. And then the FBI also showed up, supposedly

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<v Speaker 1>just to observe, but there were a couple of Feds there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so Mattoon's small police force ended up being

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<v Speaker 2>supplemented eventually with some state patrol officers. The police force

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<v Speaker 2>ended up being doubled, and even better, the state patrol

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<v Speaker 2>officers brought two way radios with them, which the police department.

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<v Speaker 1>Was very happy about Can you imagine what that was like?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so now they didn't have to just hang around

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<v Speaker 2>city Hall all the time, and they could coordinate out

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<v Speaker 2>in the field. It was like a whole new day.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, They're like, we're like real cops now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I feel like this is going pretty well.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys too, Yeah, okay, okay, Well then that means

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<v Speaker 2>we have to put a message break in right about

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<v Speaker 2>here in case we released this as the episode. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so if you'll bear with us, we'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 1>By stoff with the jowshhh, stop your sure. Okay, we're

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<v Speaker 1>back everybody. So, I'm not sure if you remember where

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<v Speaker 1>we were when we left off and had fifteen minutes

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<v Speaker 1>of ads. Things are a little out of hand in Mattoon,

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<v Speaker 1>so again like a movie, a profile of the gaser

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<v Speaker 1>emerges from one of these state investigators from the from

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<v Speaker 1>what that suggested that he, of course it wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>woman doing this, He was mentally imbalanced, intelligent, possibly brilliant,

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<v Speaker 1>and then said the man is a nut got decidedly

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<v Speaker 1>less forensic. I guess at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>I could see somebody reading the paper and being like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>sounds about right. So they also figured that the mad

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<v Speaker 2>gasser was probably a well trained chemist. They assumed that

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<v Speaker 2>either he was creating known paralyzing or noxious chemicals like

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<v Speaker 2>chloroform or chloropicrin, which is also known as vomit gas,

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<v Speaker 2>or he had created his own paralytic agent that he

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<v Speaker 2>had designed himself.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard ten people say you, yeah, that's correct. So

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<v Speaker 1>in general, though, like, despite all this going on, the

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<v Speaker 1>cops didn't seem like super super concerned about the crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they were worried about the perception of them.

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<v Speaker 1>But Chief Cole said it was basically a case of nerves.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's the first one to kind of plant that

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<v Speaker 1>seed that it might just be a bunch of hysterical

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<v Speaker 1>women in town who missed their husbands.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And there actually was a case of that. This

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<v Speaker 2>is the one woman whose first name we could not find,

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<v Speaker 2>Missus Fitzpatrick. We're sorry, Missus Fitzpatrick. And she was at

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<v Speaker 2>one of the movie theaters watching a movie when she

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<v Speaker 2>smelled something and shouted that she'd been gassed and caused

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<v Speaker 2>a stampede of the other four hundred people out of

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<v Speaker 2>the movie theater. So she was taken to the hospital

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<v Speaker 2>and examined, and she was found not to have been gassed,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was sedated forever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, can you imagine being in a theater I've.

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<v Speaker 2>Been gassed, you pull a his stanza, you're just crawling

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<v Speaker 2>over little kids, and hey, maybe your husband's full of beans.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's a good calls three stars. I give it seven?

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<v Speaker 1>How many stars? Oh wow? Okay, never mind, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to know what you think.

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<v Speaker 2>Seven stars.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll take it. The police chief, also, Chief Cole, tried

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<v Speaker 1>to pin it on carbon tetrachloride fumes from the local

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<v Speaker 1>Imperial I'm sorry, the Atlas Imperial diesel engine company. They

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<v Speaker 1>were not too fond of this theory, obviously as a company,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they had a press conference, well press conference

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<v Speaker 1>they talked to like the one person that had, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>ran the newspaper and said, you know what, the comps

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even bother to come by here and check on anything.

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<v Speaker 1>And you look around, all these kids working here are

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<v Speaker 1>just fine. Nobody is bleeding from the mouth today and

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<v Speaker 1>everything's good. And not only that, but we hired a

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<v Speaker 1>PhD Health Apartment inspector to come by and they said

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<v Speaker 1>that was impossible for any carbon tetrichloride vapors to escape

0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:08.720
<v Speaker 1>the plant in any amount of concentration that would even

0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:12.840
<v Speaker 1>closely approximate a toxic condition, and everybody in the town

0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:14.800
<v Speaker 1>went defensive much.

0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:18.160
<v Speaker 2>And Chief Coal was quoted as saying whatever.

0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:20.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:26:20.600 --> 0:26:24.160
<v Speaker 2>So that day, Friday, September eighth, the Journal Gazette finally

0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:27.240
<v Speaker 2>took off the gloves and wrote an editorial escathing one

0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:30.720
<v Speaker 2>that just raked Chief Coal across the coals, as it were,

0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:35.240
<v Speaker 2>that was unintentional. I'm sorry for that, four stars, And

0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:39.159
<v Speaker 2>it's from the editorial that we found out that the

0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:42.080
<v Speaker 2>Matoum Police Department liked to cover up crimes that it

0:26:42.080 --> 0:26:45.280
<v Speaker 2>couldn't investigate. So they definitely put it on the chief

0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:48.280
<v Speaker 2>for not taking this seriously. From the outset.

0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:51.800
<v Speaker 1>If this gets released as a live episode, we don't

0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:55.480
<v Speaker 1>release the opening bit. That's only for y'all. Is everyone

0:26:55.520 --> 0:26:57.399
<v Speaker 1>going to wonder what the hell I'm talking about with

0:26:57.440 --> 0:27:03.600
<v Speaker 1>these stars? Never think about that stuff, and I don't care.

0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:06.400
<v Speaker 2>No, it's just our secret.

0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:16.720
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, did you do that bark yet?

0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:17.800
<v Speaker 2>No?

0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:21.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay, we're back everyone.

0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:21.760
<v Speaker 2>I think they can do.

0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:26.959
<v Speaker 1>So. The cops weren't completely blowing this off, obviously, they

0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:29.200
<v Speaker 1>had an obligation. They did look into about thirty people

0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:31.639
<v Speaker 1>by the end of the case total, and that what

0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:34.879
<v Speaker 1>they did was they examined records of like the State

0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 1>Mental hospital to see like if anyone had escaped that

0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:40.600
<v Speaker 1>might fit the profile and terrorizes the town with a

0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:41.879
<v Speaker 1>paralytic noxious gas.

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Turned out no, nothing, and word began to spread about this.

0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:49.120
<v Speaker 2>So first it started being published in the Chicago papers,

0:27:49.119 --> 0:27:51.200
<v Speaker 2>the Saint Louis papers, and then it literally started to

0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:54.119
<v Speaker 2>spread around the world, and the press just descended on

0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:57.480
<v Speaker 2>the town, and the story actually made its way around

0:27:57.520 --> 0:28:01.280
<v Speaker 2>the world, and the Metoon journal Gazez ran a story.

0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:03.479
<v Speaker 2>This is confusing, but bear with me. They ran a

0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:08.000
<v Speaker 2>story about the story being read about by Mettune residents

0:28:08.359 --> 0:28:10.760
<v Speaker 2>fighting World War two as far away as Papua and

0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:15.119
<v Speaker 2>New Guinea, and the soldier fighting in Papua and New

0:28:15.119 --> 0:28:17.200
<v Speaker 2>Guinea was quoted as saying, what the heck and heck

0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:18.360
<v Speaker 2>is going on back there?

0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:25.399
<v Speaker 1>So at one point one of the Chicago papers printed

0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:28.760
<v Speaker 1>an off record statement by Chief I'm sorry, not Chief Coal,

0:28:28.800 --> 0:28:32.040
<v Speaker 1>but Commissioner write that said that they had zeroed in

0:28:32.200 --> 0:28:36.000
<v Speaker 1>on a suspect, a mad scientist, and they quickly denied

0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:38.840
<v Speaker 1>this and said no, no, no, we're looking for four people actually,

0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:41.120
<v Speaker 1>two home chemists and two crackpots.

0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:49.360
<v Speaker 2>That's a quote. It is a quote. So on Sunday,

0:28:49.360 --> 0:28:53.600
<v Speaker 2>September tenth, this thing's been going on for about ten days, roughly,

0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Chief Cole announced that he had an idea, a new policy.

0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:01.480
<v Speaker 2>If you call in a mad gaser, call, if you

0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:03.520
<v Speaker 2>called them a tomb police department and said I've been

0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:05.680
<v Speaker 2>attacked by the mad gasser, the cops would come. They

0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:08.200
<v Speaker 2>would show up, and they would give you a choice.

0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:10.840
<v Speaker 2>You could either go to the hospital with them and

0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:13.920
<v Speaker 2>get examined to see if you happen gased, or you

0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:16.040
<v Speaker 2>could refuse to go to the hospital and spend a

0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:19.560
<v Speaker 2>night in jail. This was the choice that you were

0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:23.000
<v Speaker 2>given if you called the police for help, right, And

0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:26.400
<v Speaker 2>it's even worse than it sounds on its face. Back then,

0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:29.480
<v Speaker 2>if you wanted to see if somebody had been exposed

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:33.000
<v Speaker 2>to a chemical, you had to sample the stomach contents,

0:29:33.120 --> 0:29:36.280
<v Speaker 2>their stomach contents. So either you chose a night in

0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:39.280
<v Speaker 2>jail or taking the hospital, have a tube jam down

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:44.280
<v Speaker 2>your throat and some poor nurse like priming it just

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:54.840
<v Speaker 2>to get it going. Come on, yeah, it just goes

0:29:54.880 --> 0:29:56.560
<v Speaker 2>on like that until it ends badly.

0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:00.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, oh it happened to it.

0:30:03.360 --> 0:30:06.560
<v Speaker 2>Just be projectile vomit right back on. The person with

0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 2>the tube down their throats.

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Stop saying the word a.

0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:11.360
<v Speaker 2>Circle of life.

0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Basically, you know, we follow the two maxims of live performance,

0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:21.120
<v Speaker 1>say moist and vomit in the same vomit no less

0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:22.320
<v Speaker 1>like thirty minute fear.

0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:29.600
<v Speaker 4>You're a little mustard on it all right, so uh,

0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:32.960
<v Speaker 4>Almost immediately the calls started dropping off because people were like,

0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:34.400
<v Speaker 4>I know, this sound very fun.

0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:37.960
<v Speaker 1>The last recorded attack came on September eleventh, which was

0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 1>a Monday night at the home of one Bertha Bentz,

0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:43.680
<v Speaker 1>not Beulah, but a Bertha. This was and this one

0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:45.560
<v Speaker 1>isn't very key as well. This was a third time

0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:50.560
<v Speaker 1>a prowler was spotted, but Minneapolis St. Paul. This was

0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:54.440
<v Speaker 1>not a tall, slim, athletic figure. This was a short,

0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:56.480
<v Speaker 1>stout figure.

0:30:56.760 --> 0:30:58.120
<v Speaker 2>Heavy set, you might say.

0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Heavy set, you might say. And there was a slashed

0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:05.000
<v Speaker 1>window where this prowler was spotted window screen. Can't slash

0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:10.240
<v Speaker 1>a window. And beneath that slash window screen an impression

0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:15.880
<v Speaker 1>in the dirt below of a woman's high heel, Yes and.

0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Not today's sexy high heels. These are nineteen forty four

0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:24.040
<v Speaker 2>steel toe work high heels, basically old brown shoe factory.

0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:25.800
<v Speaker 2>They were definitely brown, for sure.

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Every high heel needs a steel toe. So what happened

0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:32.920
<v Speaker 1>after that?

0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:35.960
<v Speaker 2>So as the calls started to drop off the state

0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:39.040
<v Speaker 2>patrol they went home, they took their two way radios

0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:42.800
<v Speaker 2>with them. Man, the tune cups are like, yeah, so sweet.

0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:46.680
<v Speaker 2>For a couple of weeks, and the Journal Gazette too,

0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:49.600
<v Speaker 2>it started to kind of clam up on the whole thing.

0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:54.160
<v Speaker 2>It printed fewer and fewer articles about it. And it's

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:56.640
<v Speaker 2>not like the Journal Gazette was actually hurting for column

0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:58.880
<v Speaker 2>space at the time. We read a lot of the

0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:01.720
<v Speaker 2>journal gazettes from this era just to kind of get

0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:04.640
<v Speaker 2>the story straight. And one of the articles we found

0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:07.719
<v Speaker 2>on page one around this time was a report that

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 2>the local bus company had examined a proposed extension to

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:14.800
<v Speaker 2>one of their lines the previous week and they planned

0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:19.000
<v Speaker 2>to do it again next week. That was a page

0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:19.880
<v Speaker 2>one article.

0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:24.200
<v Speaker 1>That was it and more bagel follow ups of course. Yeah,

0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:27.560
<v Speaker 1>So after September fifteenth, only a few other mentions of

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing appeared in the paper at all. The

0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:36.480
<v Speaker 1>most notable was an editorial on September twentieth where nearby Decatur, Illinois.

0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:38.600
<v Speaker 1>The only way to described this is a bit of

0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:42.160
<v Speaker 1>a newspaper flame war between these two small towns, a

0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:51.400
<v Speaker 1>real Springfield Shelbyville type of situation. Sure, yeah, you're gonna

0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:54.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean me or you you? Okay? Oh wait, it

0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:59.040
<v Speaker 1>does say Chuck Colin speak. Now what is that we're doing?

0:32:59.320 --> 0:32:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Right?

0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:02.479
<v Speaker 1>That's tight we are. So they got into a bit

0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:05.360
<v Speaker 1>of a flame war, started writing editorials, you know, kind

0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:07.960
<v Speaker 1>of making fun of one another. Decatur was making fun

0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:13.040
<v Speaker 1>of Mattoon. Mattoon would make fun. We would get very defensive, obviously, yeah,

0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:16.440
<v Speaker 1>and say, you know what this article overlooks then indisputable

0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:19.360
<v Speaker 1>fact that there was a mad gasser at large at first,

0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:21.840
<v Speaker 1>and that a failure by the police here to take

0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 1>care of the case seriously at the outset allowed the

0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:28.480
<v Speaker 1>mass hit hysteria that followed to overrun any investigation. And

0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:30.960
<v Speaker 1>also the odor probably came from Decatur.

0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:34.480
<v Speaker 2>That's not a joke.

0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:36.480
<v Speaker 1>No, you stink, you stink.

0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:40.200
<v Speaker 2>That was how they wrapped up the editorial. And then

0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:42.360
<v Speaker 2>after that the journal who's at the town's voice is

0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:45.720
<v Speaker 2>pretty much clammed up on the matter. And in the end,

0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:47.960
<v Speaker 2>how many attacks were there, Chuck.

0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:50.880
<v Speaker 1>I think there were twenty four different attacks that effected

0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:54.320
<v Speaker 1>between thirty six to over one hundred if you count

0:33:54.760 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 1>when seventy of those three percenters and their pickup trucks

0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:02.520
<v Speaker 1>said I smell something, So I don't like to count that.

0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:06.280
<v Speaker 1>So I think about twenty eight people ish were affected.

0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:09.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, And so the town just kind of moved on, shaken,

0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:13.960
<v Speaker 2>weirded out. No one died though, no no one died,

0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:17.160
<v Speaker 2>no one was injured long term, miraculously, but it had

0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:20.640
<v Speaker 2>a serious impact on the town, and it continued on.

0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:24.200
<v Speaker 2>The story continued on because shortly after the whole thing ended,

0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:27.799
<v Speaker 2>a young student, a probably eighteen nineteen year old from

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:30.560
<v Speaker 2>the University of Illinois named Donald Johnson, showed up in

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:34.560
<v Speaker 2>town and he was there to document this as a

0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:37.279
<v Speaker 2>case of mass illusion, which he clearly thought it was.

0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:40.279
<v Speaker 2>The thing was. The town by this time had been

0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:45.160
<v Speaker 2>made a butt of international jokes like Time Newsweek, people

0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:48.239
<v Speaker 2>just teeing off on a tune like you guys really

0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:52.480
<v Speaker 2>went crazy, and we think that's hilarious. Basically, so the

0:34:53.239 --> 0:34:55.600
<v Speaker 2>people who are the victims of the Matt Guesser had

0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:57.319
<v Speaker 2>learned to just keep quiet about it.

0:34:58.000 --> 0:34:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so there were a lot of skeptics in town

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:05.440
<v Speaker 1>on obviously, including still Chief Coal. The attacks dropped off

0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:08.400
<v Speaker 1>pretty sharply, and he was quoted as summing up summing

0:35:08.480 --> 0:35:10.880
<v Speaker 1>it up by saying it was a mistake from beginning

0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:13.719
<v Speaker 1>to end. I don't even know what that means, like

0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:17.160
<v Speaker 1>a mistake, Yeah, that it happened, or that they took

0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:19.279
<v Speaker 1>part and investigating, I don't even know what that well.

0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Chief Cole was known for his very cryptic quotes his

0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:23.919
<v Speaker 2>Sphinx liked.

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:28.279
<v Speaker 1>So when Johnson showed up to study the victims, he

0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:31.320
<v Speaker 1>was able to get like hard information from them firsthand

0:35:31.360 --> 0:35:34.520
<v Speaker 1>about like the actual gassing. But he's doing a psychological

0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:37.160
<v Speaker 1>research paper, so he needs data about who they are,

0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 1>their level of schooling, and their socioeconomic level, and he's

0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:43.040
<v Speaker 1>got to have all the like personal data and they

0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:45.480
<v Speaker 1>no one would give that up. So he devised his

0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:46.319
<v Speaker 1>own system.

0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, he came up with a really clever workaround.

0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:52.480
<v Speaker 2>There was something called the ABC Socioeconomic Skill that had

0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:58.200
<v Speaker 2>been created for broadcasters, but confusingly not specifically ABC. It

0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:02.480
<v Speaker 2>was like ABC, like the alphabet that you sing, and

0:36:02.520 --> 0:36:04.759
<v Speaker 2>it was a socioeconomic skill where you don't go to

0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:08.200
<v Speaker 2>the people who you're categorizing, you just go learn stuff

0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:11.000
<v Speaker 2>about them, like by looking at census records and things

0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:13.520
<v Speaker 2>like that. So Donald Johnson came up with his own

0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:19.520
<v Speaker 2>and it was like this. It was based on the

0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:24.560
<v Speaker 2>victim's level of schooling, their age, their sex, And we

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:27.640
<v Speaker 2>ran across a really interesting little known fact. This is

0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:31.160
<v Speaker 2>the first time in history someone answered yes please when

0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:35.960
<v Speaker 2>they were asked their sex by a surveyor and then

0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:37.719
<v Speaker 2>their occupation and income.

0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:43.239
<v Speaker 1>And that person was my father in law. Let's cut

0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:48.759
<v Speaker 1>that part out, Jerry, all right, just in case. So, ah,

0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:51.400
<v Speaker 1>that's a great joke. What are you talking about? He

0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:54.360
<v Speaker 1>sounds just like that, by the way. So for occupation,

0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:56.239
<v Speaker 1>he looked at the census records. He looked at the

0:36:56.280 --> 0:36:58.960
<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty census, which was the closest one kind of

0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:01.279
<v Speaker 1>gleaned what he could. But back then they had really

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:06.040
<v Speaker 1>broad labels for CENSUSI since I censuses.

0:37:06.560 --> 0:37:08.319
<v Speaker 2>Since I I like that, Since I all right.

0:37:08.320 --> 0:37:10.680
<v Speaker 1>I just made that up. I can say that now

0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:13.160
<v Speaker 1>because I'm a whole human being without a big hole

0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:16.200
<v Speaker 1>in the front of my mouth. I did this show

0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:18.239
<v Speaker 1>earlier and the yeah you're clapping because I have all

0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:21.279
<v Speaker 1>my teeth. Earlier in the year, it was like, and

0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:24.759
<v Speaker 1>this this is sen It was not good.

0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Your dental word just got a round of a plug.

0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:27.839
<v Speaker 1>I know.

0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:30.919
<v Speaker 2>That's pretty neat.

0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:32.720
<v Speaker 1>I have to tell doctor Presley.

0:37:33.920 --> 0:37:35.480
<v Speaker 2>I was like, is that the one who swears?

0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:38.920
<v Speaker 1>No? No, no, that wasn't my dentist. That was a

0:37:39.040 --> 0:37:41.759
<v Speaker 1>listener that wrote in. Yeah, it was great, Denis. But

0:37:41.800 --> 0:37:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Dennis that drops f bombs while you're in the chair

0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:45.759
<v Speaker 1>kind of my kind of guy.

0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:48.759
<v Speaker 2>That would make me uncomfortable. Really, yeah, it'd be like,

0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:55.080
<v Speaker 2>do your job. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I know that

0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:57.000
<v Speaker 2>there's children here and I'm sorry.

0:37:57.080 --> 0:38:00.759
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, you never hear us? Guy? Are their kids here?

0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:01.279
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:03.160
<v Speaker 1>Right there?

0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:06.799
<v Speaker 2>And she does not look happy with me. I'm sorry, dear,

0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:08.239
<v Speaker 2>just waving Hi.

0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:11.600
<v Speaker 1>How old are you ten?

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Ten?

0:38:12.560 --> 0:38:20.040
<v Speaker 1>You've heard that word? If you haven't, I'm gonna call

0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:29.360
<v Speaker 1>child Services and report your parents. Ten so cute? Uh?

0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, that threw me. My daughter's nine. She knows

0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:39.120
<v Speaker 1>that word. Where are we okay? So for income? He based,

0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, we're talking about the SINSI It was a

0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:43.440
<v Speaker 1>little vague back in those days. Right, that's where it was.

0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:48.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they had they had labels like a laborer comma,

0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:52.560
<v Speaker 2>except farm. But the good thing for Donald Johnson was,

0:38:52.600 --> 0:38:54.200
<v Speaker 2>in my tune, if you didn't work on a farm,

0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:56.880
<v Speaker 2>you worked in a factory, or you worked on the railroad.

0:38:56.880 --> 0:39:00.680
<v Speaker 2>That was it. The big challenge was age because you

0:39:00.680 --> 0:39:03.719
<v Speaker 2>couldn't really tell from their occupation whether they were like

0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:08.600
<v Speaker 2>eight or right, So he relied on what he wrote

0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:12.200
<v Speaker 2>in the paper acquaintances of the victims. That's how we

0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:15.279
<v Speaker 2>found out their level of schooling and their age. And

0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:17.320
<v Speaker 2>what we gleaned from that is he asked the cops

0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:20.839
<v Speaker 2>who investigated it, because the Matomb Police Department was very

0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:23.520
<v Speaker 2>very cooperative with Donald Johnson in his paper.

0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, totally anything that was a great distraction for them, right,

0:39:27.120 --> 0:39:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Like sure paper great for income. He based it on

0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:32.240
<v Speaker 1>And this is actually the only part of the ABC

0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:34.640
<v Speaker 1>scale that I thought was like pretty smart. He would

0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:36.319
<v Speaker 1>go to their house and he would look around because

0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:39.600
<v Speaker 1>it was nineteen forty four for like household conveniences or

0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:41.960
<v Speaker 1>luxuries at the time, which could really tell you a

0:39:41.960 --> 0:39:45.520
<v Speaker 1>lot about your income as a household, which at the

0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:51.040
<v Speaker 1>time was electricity in the house, a mechanical refrigerator, a telephone,

0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:51.680
<v Speaker 1>and a radio.

0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes, And so he took all this, mixed it all together,

0:39:56.400 --> 0:40:00.680
<v Speaker 2>shook it up in a bag. Little fairy dust, pixie.

0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Dust, don't forget salt pepper.

0:40:03.680 --> 0:40:07.840
<v Speaker 2>He threw a moist pink rag in, massed it all together,

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:11.239
<v Speaker 2>and he came up with four not a BC, ABC D.

0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:14.480
<v Speaker 2>He's a bit of a show off. And he found

0:40:14.520 --> 0:40:18.360
<v Speaker 2>that all of the victims fell within BC or D.

0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:20.520
<v Speaker 2>There were no a's, and they were almost all C

0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:24.520
<v Speaker 2>or D. And when you kind of pull everything out

0:40:24.520 --> 0:40:27.280
<v Speaker 2>of that, it means that they were almost all women

0:40:27.520 --> 0:40:30.080
<v Speaker 2>ninety three percent, and most of them were between the

0:40:30.080 --> 0:40:32.719
<v Speaker 2>ages of twenty and twenty nine. And compared to the

0:40:32.719 --> 0:40:35.080
<v Speaker 2>population of the town as a whole, the victims of

0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:38.279
<v Speaker 2>the mad Gasser, they were more likely to be females

0:40:38.440 --> 0:40:43.400
<v Speaker 2>in their twenties with below average education, below average income,

0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:46.719
<v Speaker 2>which is exactly back in the day the kind of

0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:51.440
<v Speaker 2>person you thought would be very suggestible to something like

0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:52.440
<v Speaker 2>mass hysteria.

0:40:52.600 --> 0:40:57.520
<v Speaker 1>That's right, it's not us talking everybody, right, nineteen forty

0:40:57.520 --> 0:41:02.000
<v Speaker 1>four people. So inian Johnson concluded that it was entirely psychogenic.

0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:04.680
<v Speaker 1>That's a quote that was birth from a case of

0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:07.839
<v Speaker 1>nerves experienced by a link Kearney to begin with, which

0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:10.279
<v Speaker 1>resulted in that first call to the police that ended

0:41:10.360 --> 0:41:13.040
<v Speaker 1>up in that night's blotter, spotted by the reporter from

0:41:13.040 --> 0:41:15.640
<v Speaker 1>the Journal Gazette the next day, who concocted out of

0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:19.560
<v Speaker 1>thin air this idea that there was an anesthetic prowler

0:41:19.560 --> 0:41:22.800
<v Speaker 1>on the loose, which you know, ninety seven percent of

0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:25.560
<v Speaker 1>the town is reading this thing. So the German fear spreads.

0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:27.919
<v Speaker 1>I forgot where I was with my fingers and set

0:41:27.960 --> 0:41:30.960
<v Speaker 1>off other case of nerves which were attributed to that

0:41:31.000 --> 0:41:34.400
<v Speaker 1>same prowler, further supporting the existence of the prowler, which

0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:36.720
<v Speaker 1>may or may not have been a thing, which produced

0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:39.200
<v Speaker 1>even more cases. So it was like what you call

0:41:39.239 --> 0:41:39.800
<v Speaker 1>that thing.

0:41:39.960 --> 0:41:43.840
<v Speaker 2>Like getting stomach contents in your face and them projectile

0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:48.879
<v Speaker 2>vomiting back in a person's stomach. You remember, yeah, that thing.

0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:52.760
<v Speaker 1>But he got published, right, he got published.

0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Everybody, remember this is an eighteen nineteen year old kid

0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:57.040
<v Speaker 2>who showed up to Talent to document a case of

0:41:57.080 --> 0:42:00.000
<v Speaker 2>mass illusion, and it was published in the January nineteenth

0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:03.719
<v Speaker 2>forty five issue of the Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology,

0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:08.600
<v Speaker 2>a very well respected peer reviewed journal. Little Donald Johnson

0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:09.640
<v Speaker 2>got his paper.

0:42:09.400 --> 0:42:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Published, Little Donald Johnson.

0:42:11.480 --> 0:42:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and when it was published, the whole thing, the

0:42:14.600 --> 0:42:19.000
<v Speaker 2>entire case of the mad gas or metun became irrevocably

0:42:19.640 --> 0:42:24.359
<v Speaker 2>a case of massisteria. That's what science said. It was masssterian.

0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:27.920
<v Speaker 2>As time went on and Johnson's paper became cited, it

0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:35.759
<v Speaker 2>became a circle of sorts and it became a textbook

0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:41.600
<v Speaker 2>case of mass hysteria. Nice job, thanks, should we?

0:42:41.760 --> 0:42:43.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I feel like this is going pretty good story.

0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:45.879
<v Speaker 2>Oh wait, there's one more line I forgot. Oh wait,

0:42:47.719 --> 0:42:51.640
<v Speaker 2>but decades on, it's far from clear whether it was

0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:58.320
<v Speaker 2>a case of mass hysteria. And that explains what Chuck's

0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:00.120
<v Speaker 2>about to say.

0:43:01.920 --> 0:43:03.600
<v Speaker 1>I think he's still going pretty good. You guys, We

0:43:03.680 --> 0:43:05.960
<v Speaker 1>have to take another ad break in cases gets released,

0:43:06.000 --> 0:43:13.920
<v Speaker 1>so we'll be right back Minneapolis.

0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Stoffing the jawshon? Should stoff your Okay? So we're going

0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:37.799
<v Speaker 2>to give both cases. We're going to lay both cases out,

0:43:37.880 --> 0:43:41.520
<v Speaker 2>the case for massissaria and the case against massteria, meaning

0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:43.640
<v Speaker 2>that there was an actual mad gasser. And we're going

0:43:43.680 --> 0:43:47.640
<v Speaker 2>to start with the case four mass hysteria. And there

0:43:47.640 --> 0:43:50.520
<v Speaker 2>were a lot of factors present in Matune in September

0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:54.080
<v Speaker 2>of nineteen forty four, that could help support the idea

0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:57.160
<v Speaker 2>that this was just a case of massissaria, not the

0:43:57.239 --> 0:44:01.040
<v Speaker 2>least of a lot of the men in town were

0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:03.600
<v Speaker 2>off fighting the war, and so the people in town

0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:06.520
<v Speaker 2>had caused to feel anxiety and worry about their loved

0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:09.520
<v Speaker 2>ones every hour of every day during this time.

0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:11.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. And as a cherry on top of

0:44:11.880 --> 0:44:14.640
<v Speaker 1>all that, on August twenty ninth, like right before this happened,

0:44:15.120 --> 0:44:18.680
<v Speaker 1>newspaper headlines nearby told the story of a Nazipow, like

0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:22.680
<v Speaker 1>a real Nazpow, not those fake ones that they you know,

0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:27.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I said that a Nazpow had

0:44:27.120 --> 0:44:29.799
<v Speaker 1>escaped from prison from an army base where he was

0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:32.360
<v Speaker 1>being held about one hundred and fifty miles from Mattoon.

0:44:33.320 --> 0:44:35.239
<v Speaker 1>No one tried to pin it on this, but it

0:44:35.320 --> 0:44:37.480
<v Speaker 1>just sort of lent itself to the air of paranoida.

0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:41.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. You can also make a pretty good case

0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:44.759
<v Speaker 2>that the Journal Gazette played a prominent role in this

0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:49.040
<v Speaker 2>whole thing, because remember the very first headline said that

0:44:49.080 --> 0:44:52.439
<v Speaker 2>there was an anesthetic prowler on the loops. Just said it,

0:44:52.920 --> 0:44:55.960
<v Speaker 2>And whether the anesthetic prowler was real or not. Now,

0:44:56.160 --> 0:44:59.440
<v Speaker 2>the concept at least was real, was in reality. And

0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:02.680
<v Speaker 2>then also the idea of saying that Aileen and Dorothy

0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:06.040
<v Speaker 2>were the first victims makes it sound like that there's

0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:08.799
<v Speaker 2>going to be more. What was the anesthetic prowler being

0:45:08.800 --> 0:45:09.719
<v Speaker 2>on the loose and all?

0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. This is also a time when people

0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:17.040
<v Speaker 1>worried about you know, like Saren gas and Mustard gas.

0:45:17.360 --> 0:45:20.040
<v Speaker 1>It was just a period of our history where gassing

0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:21.319
<v Speaker 1>was in the air.

0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:27.320
<v Speaker 2>You get negative four stars.

0:45:27.640 --> 0:45:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Wow, okay, okay, friend.

0:45:32.640 --> 0:45:35.640
<v Speaker 2>I love you, but that was terrible. Okay, don't like counts?

0:45:36.120 --> 0:45:41.880
<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, don't don't compliment sandwich me great, I love you.

0:45:42.040 --> 0:45:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Terrible joke. And you also look good tonight.

0:45:45.520 --> 0:45:46.359
<v Speaker 2>That's how you do it.

0:45:46.640 --> 0:45:56.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh, hello, miss you like Tubby Old guys Emily would

0:45:56.520 --> 0:45:59.200
<v Speaker 1>think that's hysterical, by the way, I know, just just

0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:02.399
<v Speaker 1>to be clear. Uh oh, man, I got thrown because

0:46:02.560 --> 0:46:10.719
<v Speaker 1>she hit on me. Oh here's the other thing. No

0:46:10.840 --> 0:46:14.360
<v Speaker 1>motive ever emerged, and no one was ever like, thank goodness,

0:46:14.400 --> 0:46:16.680
<v Speaker 1>no one has ever robbed or assaulted or anything like that.

0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:20.440
<v Speaker 1>It was just these random, sporadic gassings, and that is

0:46:20.480 --> 0:46:22.120
<v Speaker 1>a decidedly weird thing to happen.

0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then the gas itself provided evidence in that

0:46:25.960 --> 0:46:29.759
<v Speaker 2>it provided no evidence whatsoever. No chemical was ever isolated

0:46:29.800 --> 0:46:32.880
<v Speaker 2>from the pink cloth. In a lot of cases, the

0:46:32.880 --> 0:46:36.320
<v Speaker 2>gas dissipated so quickly somebody running into help didn't detect

0:46:36.360 --> 0:46:39.239
<v Speaker 2>it at all. Don't forget. There was at least one

0:46:39.320 --> 0:46:42.320
<v Speaker 2>case where somebody was affected by the gas, but somebody

0:46:42.360 --> 0:46:46.240
<v Speaker 2>else in the same room was not. That's unusual behavior

0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:47.600
<v Speaker 2>for a noxious gas.

0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:54.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So not a lot of uh, that's good. Not

0:46:54.800 --> 0:46:58.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot of physical evidence is happening at this point.

0:46:58.400 --> 0:46:59.840
<v Speaker 1>It was also a pretty peculiar.

0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:03.920
<v Speaker 2>That word it's getting pad everybody.

0:47:04.040 --> 0:47:09.200
<v Speaker 1>It was also a peculiar. It was strange, porky big,

0:47:09.680 --> 0:47:14.160
<v Speaker 1>It was good pequila, piguila, pequilo. Strange that the whole

0:47:14.200 --> 0:47:18.240
<v Speaker 1>thing ended when the police announced they were gonna start

0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:19.680
<v Speaker 1>sticking the tube down the throat.

0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:23.040
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, either go to jail or be medically assaulted.

0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:47:25.360 --> 0:47:27.600
<v Speaker 2>So, as Donald Johnson put it in his paper, which

0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:30.719
<v Speaker 2>again he said, this was all just a case of

0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:33.960
<v Speaker 2>mass hysteria, he said the fact seemed to evaporate as

0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:37.360
<v Speaker 2>rapidly as the agent that produced them. He was a

0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:42.279
<v Speaker 2>real bastard. No one like Donald Johnson, if you haven't

0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:49.720
<v Speaker 2>picked up on that, he was like, yeah, real self satisfied.

0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:52.399
<v Speaker 1>And he looked around. Nobody was there because no one

0:47:52.440 --> 0:47:52.880
<v Speaker 1>wanted to be.

0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:56.600
<v Speaker 2>So the thing about this is, though, yes, you can

0:47:56.640 --> 0:47:59.240
<v Speaker 2>make a pretty good case that it was just Massstari's

0:47:59.239 --> 0:48:01.560
<v Speaker 2>a lot of good, circum substantial evidence, but you can

0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:04.600
<v Speaker 2>look at that same evidence in different ways, and no

0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:07.120
<v Speaker 2>matter how you present the whole thing, there's still some

0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:10.440
<v Speaker 2>stuff left on the table to be explained. And so

0:48:10.600 --> 0:48:14.960
<v Speaker 2>here we present the case against Massssaria, the concept, the

0:48:15.000 --> 0:48:18.680
<v Speaker 2>idea that there actually was a mad gasser man.

0:48:18.840 --> 0:48:19.600
<v Speaker 1>What a setup.

0:48:19.880 --> 0:48:22.680
<v Speaker 2>You're a real pro, thanks, sure, I've been doing it

0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:23.480
<v Speaker 2>for a while.

0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:28.280
<v Speaker 1>So though there was not a lot of physical evidence,

0:48:28.400 --> 0:48:30.799
<v Speaker 1>there was a little bit. You can't discount that you

0:48:30.840 --> 0:48:34.920
<v Speaker 1>had that moistpink cloth that everyone could not help but

0:48:34.960 --> 0:48:38.880
<v Speaker 1>put in their face. People did bleed from their lips

0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:42.239
<v Speaker 1>and mouth like children vomited, like all that stuff really

0:48:42.239 --> 0:48:46.200
<v Speaker 1>did happen. There was that slashed window screen, There was

0:48:46.239 --> 0:48:50.840
<v Speaker 1>that high heeled steel toed boot footprint in the dirt.

0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:52.480
<v Speaker 1>So even though there wasn't a lot of stuff, and

0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:55.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't think we said they did test the rag obviously,

0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:57.040
<v Speaker 1>but by the time they got it, I think it

0:48:57.040 --> 0:48:58.520
<v Speaker 1>was like a few days later. You know, back in

0:48:58.560 --> 0:49:01.320
<v Speaker 1>those days, there was nothing that they could like isolate

0:49:01.320 --> 0:49:01.759
<v Speaker 1>from the rack.

0:49:01.840 --> 0:49:03.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that doesn't mean there wasn't anything on and

0:49:03.840 --> 0:49:06.200
<v Speaker 2>things sat around for three days. It's possible it just

0:49:06.239 --> 0:49:09.800
<v Speaker 2>totally evaporated, for sure, and then cheap Coles policy. Yes,

0:49:09.920 --> 0:49:12.600
<v Speaker 2>it did bring an abrupt end to the whole thing,

0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:16.080
<v Speaker 2>but that doesn't necessarily mean that it was because the

0:49:16.120 --> 0:49:18.839
<v Speaker 2>mad Gasser was just totally made up. It can also

0:49:19.040 --> 0:49:21.840
<v Speaker 2>have been like a huge widespread loss of faith in

0:49:21.880 --> 0:49:25.000
<v Speaker 2>the police. And in fact, there were two hundred and

0:49:25.040 --> 0:49:28.279
<v Speaker 2>thirty two calls to the police of any kind in

0:49:28.360 --> 0:49:31.640
<v Speaker 2>September of nineteen forty four, the month that the town

0:49:31.640 --> 0:49:34.640
<v Speaker 2>of Mettune was supposedly in the grips of a text

0:49:34.680 --> 0:49:37.960
<v Speaker 2>bookcase of mass hysteria, and that was well below the

0:49:38.000 --> 0:49:41.840
<v Speaker 2>average of three hundred. So it's possible people just stopped

0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:44.160
<v Speaker 2>calling the cops no matter what was happening to them.

0:49:45.040 --> 0:49:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the cops also had a motive for just wanting

0:49:48.760 --> 0:49:51.440
<v Speaker 1>this to go away. Like we said, they had a

0:49:51.560 --> 0:49:55.439
<v Speaker 1>pinchonk for covering up crimes, asything like that I did

0:49:56.520 --> 0:50:00.800
<v Speaker 1>pinch in covering up crimes or you know, kind of crimes.

0:50:01.840 --> 0:50:04.520
<v Speaker 1>This let them off the hook because they had nothing basically,

0:50:04.719 --> 0:50:07.200
<v Speaker 1>so it totally let them off the hook. And we

0:50:07.320 --> 0:50:10.080
<v Speaker 1>know that they were comfortable in covering up crimes from

0:50:10.120 --> 0:50:12.160
<v Speaker 1>the Journal gazette, so it wasn't too far batch.

0:50:12.280 --> 0:50:15.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then let's talk about Donald Johns's paper, shall we.

0:50:15.960 --> 0:50:18.560
<v Speaker 2>It turns out he cherry picked data like a mofo.

0:50:20.480 --> 0:50:24.200
<v Speaker 2>He essentially excluded all of the men, almost all the men.

0:50:24.360 --> 0:50:27.360
<v Speaker 2>He excluded all the children victims, and just focused almost

0:50:27.560 --> 0:50:30.359
<v Speaker 2>exclusively on the women victims, which sets things up pretty

0:50:30.440 --> 0:50:32.880
<v Speaker 2>nice when you're trying to prove a case of female

0:50:32.880 --> 0:50:39.280
<v Speaker 2>mass hysteria that makeshift ABC socioeconomic scale. It was inspired, true,

0:50:39.560 --> 0:50:42.000
<v Speaker 2>but it would not pass peer of you today because

0:50:42.080 --> 0:50:48.040
<v Speaker 2>it's egregiously fabricating data. And the fact that he concluded

0:50:48.080 --> 0:50:51.600
<v Speaker 2>the entire event with psychogenic is pretty rich because he

0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:54.840
<v Speaker 2>couldn't get a single victim to submit to a psychological

0:50:54.880 --> 0:50:57.920
<v Speaker 2>panel or test or question. Yeah, so he's kind of

0:50:57.960 --> 0:50:58.360
<v Speaker 2>full of it.

0:50:58.440 --> 0:51:01.640
<v Speaker 1>I'd say, Yeah, there is one little and to me,

0:51:01.680 --> 0:51:04.280
<v Speaker 1>this is sort of the biggest one. If you're making

0:51:04.320 --> 0:51:08.160
<v Speaker 1>this case, which is despite all of these cases that happened,

0:51:08.160 --> 0:51:10.640
<v Speaker 1>I think what there was over thirty of them or

0:51:10.719 --> 0:51:15.400
<v Speaker 1>twenty something. None of them overlapped like geographically or time wise,

0:51:15.440 --> 0:51:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Like if this town had been in the grips of

0:51:17.480 --> 0:51:20.160
<v Speaker 1>mass hysteria, there would have been a call saying I've

0:51:20.200 --> 0:51:22.879
<v Speaker 1>been gassed, and five minutes later on the other side

0:51:22.880 --> 0:51:25.800
<v Speaker 1>of town. At some point during this ten days, somebody

0:51:25.800 --> 0:51:29.120
<v Speaker 1>would have made it geographically and physically impossible because they're

0:51:29.120 --> 0:51:31.320
<v Speaker 1>all freaking out and calling the cops. But every single

0:51:31.360 --> 0:51:36.400
<v Speaker 1>incident could be explained, like geographically speaking, someone could have

0:51:36.480 --> 0:51:38.640
<v Speaker 1>gone from one place to another in the amount of

0:51:38.640 --> 0:51:39.440
<v Speaker 1>time that had occurred.

0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:40.800
<v Speaker 2>Curious piece of data.

0:51:41.120 --> 0:51:41.600
<v Speaker 1>Curious.

0:51:42.719 --> 0:51:44.960
<v Speaker 2>So we probably should have said this at the outset,

0:51:45.040 --> 0:51:46.919
<v Speaker 2>this is an unsolved mystery. We're not going to solve

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<v Speaker 2>it here tonight. Be sorry for that if you were

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<v Speaker 2>expecting that.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry. No one knows who the matt Gasser Mettune was. Seriously,

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<v Speaker 2>but there was a guy is a guy named Scott

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<v Speaker 2>Marona who was a high school chemistry professor, and he

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<v Speaker 2>grew up in Charleston, about twelve miles away from Mattoon,

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<v Speaker 2>and he decided to go to Mattoon a few years

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<v Speaker 2>back and talked to some of the locals, and he

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<v Speaker 2>put together a book about the subject, The Mad Gasser

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<v Speaker 2>of Mattoon. Yeah, dispelling the hysteria. Very nice everybody. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And he interviewed a bunch of residents who lived through

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing to have two thousand people scream colon at you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally uncoached, unprompted.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, never felt so much power.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, go ahead, you were overwhelmed by the colon.

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<v Speaker 1>It really was full of beans. Is that three?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>First, oh yes, please clap as Jeb Bush said. So

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<v Speaker 2>Maruna doesn't think it was hysteria at all, does he?

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<v Speaker 1>No. In fact, Marna names an individual. Oh man, you

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<v Speaker 1>guys are the best. This is this is probably gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be the one you guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Oh yeah, it's kind of really right there.

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<v Speaker 2>That just pushed it right over the line.

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<v Speaker 1>He names an individual, a local man named Farley Llewellen,

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<v Speaker 1>a trained chemist and the college dropout from the University

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<v Speaker 1>of Illinois who built a professional chemistry lab on his parents'

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<v Speaker 1>property that blew up about a week before this all happened.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was tall and had a slim, athletic build.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so Scott Maroona found from talking to the local

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<v Speaker 2>that people considered Farley llewell and strange. John Miller, the

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<v Speaker 2>guy from the Journal Gazette who wrote about all this stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>he later said that Farley Llewellen had been picked up

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<v Speaker 2>once as a peeping tom. He was known to drink ruinously,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was thought to have been gay in a

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<v Speaker 2>time in a town where you just weren't that. So

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<v Speaker 2>he was kind of considered a weird outsider essentially by

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<v Speaker 2>the town.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. And everyone tolerated this in the town

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<v Speaker 1>because he came from a prominent family. His family owned

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<v Speaker 1>back when individuals own grocery stores and it wasn't just

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<v Speaker 1>some monolith corporation. His dad was a grocer and a

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<v Speaker 1>very beloved grocer who would do really genuinely great things

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<v Speaker 1>like take food by Christmas if people didn't have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of money, and gifts to children and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was a beloved individual.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a real chuck type.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on kidding me, those are my gifts that didn't

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<v Speaker 1>go over well? Cut that part Adam in the palm

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<v Speaker 1>in my hand. I know it's ruined. Yeah, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw what I was here, So we're back everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, they were a belovedge family. Everybody loved these people,

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<v Speaker 1>so they overlooked their weird son.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and Scott Marina actually even names the gas that

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<v Speaker 2>he thinks it is nitromethane, and it actually checks pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much all the boxes for the symptoms that were reported

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<v Speaker 2>by victims of the mad Gasser. Nitromethane produces limb weakness, cough, drowsiness, headache, nausea,

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<v Speaker 2>sore throat, vomiting. Do not take nitromethane if you're pregnant

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<v Speaker 2>or planning or become pregnant. Do not take nitromethane if

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<v Speaker 2>you're allergic to nitromethane. And it also counts for the

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<v Speaker 2>sickeningly sweet smell because nitromethane is described as unpleasant comma fruity.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the thing though, with nitro methane is it's known

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<v Speaker 1>more as an exploding thing than a paralyzing thing. So

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<v Speaker 1>the leap that Marna took was that, Hey, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that this guy was trying to blow people up. I

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<v Speaker 1>think he didn't fit in because he was a gay,

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<v Speaker 1>smart chemistry loaner in this town. In nineteen forty four,

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<v Speaker 1>where you couldn't be that, and so he took revenge

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<v Speaker 1>on the town by trying to blow them up one

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<v Speaker 1>bedroom at a time.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a couple of things wrong with Farley Llewellyn

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<v Speaker 2>being the mad gasser. The first one is he seems

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<v Speaker 2>to have been the mad scientist that Thomas Wright was

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<v Speaker 2>quoted as saying the police had zeroed in on, and

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<v Speaker 2>tangentially to that, we know that the mad scientists the

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<v Speaker 2>police were watching was under twenty four hour surveillance and

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<v Speaker 2>that during that time other mad gaser attacks had happened,

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<v Speaker 2>which makes it hard for it to and Farley Llewellen.

0:57:01.520 --> 0:57:03.960
<v Speaker 2>But Scott Marna has an answer for this, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>He says that the first three attacks were Farley and

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<v Speaker 2>that after not being able to blow any of his

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<v Speaker 2>neighbors up, he just gave up. He was a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a quitter apparently, and that later texts either were

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<v Speaker 2>actual cases of mass hysteria or suggestibility, or Farley's two

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<v Speaker 2>older sisters, who were described as short and have you said,

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<v Speaker 2>actually carried out more crimes to cover up for their

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<v Speaker 2>little brother, which is sweet in a psychotic kind of way. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>The second problem in that Marina's book, he got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of his information, basically all of it by talking

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<v Speaker 1>with townspeople. And this is many, many years later, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were not able to verify a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the claims. There's a lot of speculation going on this

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<v Speaker 1>whole idea that like, he was gay, so he was

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<v Speaker 1>an outcast, and so he wanted revenge on the town

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<v Speaker 1>and wanted to kill people by blowing them up, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they stopped happening because his grosser families. That sounds

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<v Speaker 1>so strange. His family had the kind of money to

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<v Speaker 1>send him away to the state hospital, where he was

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<v Speaker 1>never heard from again, and that's why the gassing stop.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is problematic for a bunch of reasons, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>through today's lens, because local saying he was weird and strange.

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<v Speaker 1>It could have been that he was just just a

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<v Speaker 1>regular gay guy who was into chemistry and maybe sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a brainiac and was doing his thing like doing

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<v Speaker 1>chemistry in the basement. It's kind of coded in a

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<v Speaker 1>big way. It's also possible that he could have been

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<v Speaker 1>the mad gasser. We don't know, but there was so

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<v Speaker 1>much speculation going on. We tried to find records from

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<v Speaker 1>the state hospital, like did his parents have them have

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<v Speaker 1>them sent away? And we couldn't even like find that unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>because they just don't keep records like that. It's also

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<v Speaker 1>a time in history where a prominent family with some

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<v Speaker 1>money could have your child's in a way just because

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<v Speaker 1>they were gay so.

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<v Speaker 2>Or because they kept trying to blow up their neighbors.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm trying to go to bad a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>for Farley Llewellen, but it seems like he might have

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<v Speaker 1>been the guy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's possible, but again we don't know. No one knows,

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<v Speaker 2>and neither do you now. So there's a lot to

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<v Speaker 2>read on the Mad gas ermatune. Even though it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of an obscure case. There's a lot of rabbit holes

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<v Speaker 2>you can go down, and if you really get into

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<v Speaker 2>it like we did, you can go on to eBay

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<v Speaker 2>and buy one of Matchbox Toys Monster in my Pocket

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<v Speaker 2>series I think four figures. The Mad Gaser a metune

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<v Speaker 2>which Chuck bought. Do you want to describe it, Chuck?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure? For those people that can't see this tiny, tiny

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<v Speaker 1>thing that I'm holding, I went on eBay. It is green,

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<v Speaker 1>it is does not look anything like Farley Leewellen. I

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<v Speaker 1>should point out it's a monster and has like lobster

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<v Speaker 1>pincers and these a gas tank with an orange gas mask,

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<v Speaker 1>and also these strange tentacles coming off of his back.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty cool. I love having this little fella. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but again I don't see Farley Lewellen when I look at.

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<v Speaker 2>This, and Matchbox Toy on their evilness scale gave the

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<v Speaker 2>Mad Gaser an eighty out of one hundred, and Matchbox

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<v Speaker 2>Toy's evilness scale is at least as legitimate as Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Johnson's ABC socioeconomic Scale.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the Mad Gasser of Mad too.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much, Thanks everybody, Thanks you.

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