1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: This is the Business of Sports from Bloomberg Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: to Bloomberg Business of Sports. I'm Jason Kelly along with 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: Mike Lynch. We're here with you every Monday, Wednesday and 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: Thursday via podcast talking to the biggest names in sports. 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: And what a treat. Today we are speaking with NFL 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer entrepreneur Terrell Davis joining us on the 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: phone from California and early morning. We really appreciate it. 8 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: T d. First of all, how are you doing. Yeah, 9 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: you're right there. Early. I'm just trying to clear the 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: cobweb on my brain and get things moving this morning. 11 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: But I'm doing well. Man's doing well, you know, families 12 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: doing well. Yeah, good, well, I mean, and I feel 13 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: like to be very frank. I mean this day, you know, 14 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: here we are June. It's a little bit of a 15 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: loaded question asking anybody how they are, because this has 16 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: been just a tremendous time of upheaval, and I've got 17 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: to start by asking you. Friday was a pretty unbelievable day, 18 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: I think for anybody who's followed the NFL and pro 19 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: sports in general, with Commissioner Goodell essentially reversing what he 20 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: had long said about what players can and can't do, 21 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: what they can and can't say. I wonder, just straight 22 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: off the bat, what was your reaction to that. I 23 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: wasn't pretty proud man. I was happy to hear Commissioner 24 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: Roger Goodell you take a span and support the players 25 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: who have been protesting, you know, inequalities, pope, police brutality 26 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: in this country for a long time. And you know, 27 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: to me, it signifies that he's listening. A lot of 28 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: people are starting to listen now instead of just having 29 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: a stand against the protesters and people who have been 30 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: the element and screaming for years and not being heard. 31 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: So to see Roger Goodell make the statement, I also 32 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: saw NASCAR come out and you know there before their 33 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: race acknowledge you know, the inequalities in this country. So 34 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: we start to see this ship and people who have 35 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: not been making statements are finally now said, Okay, we 36 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: hear what you're saying, We see what you're saying. That 37 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: means progress is being made and so it is really 38 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: good to see that happening now. And if A certainly 39 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: has to follow it up and take steps too, and 40 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: they have been, but take more steps to ensure that 41 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: there is the forefront of this movement. All right, t D, 42 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: I'm gonna push you on this a little bit because 43 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: from my perspective, at least, it took a while. I mean, 44 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: it took a while for the NFL to to catch up. 45 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: Here Were you frustrated at how long it took? I mean, 46 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: this was a tough stretch in many ways for the NFL. 47 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: So the one thing I always try to do, and 48 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: I try to look at both sides, always try to 49 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: not even if I have a serious stand against something, 50 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: I try to open my mind up to the other 51 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: person's viewpoint. And the NFL is a business, and I 52 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: think what happened is they got away from them. They 53 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: just weren't prepared for. They didn't understand what they were 54 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: dealing with. And you have major sponsors threatening to pull 55 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: out when you have, you know, a lot of fans 56 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: and they won't watch the game and we won't watch 57 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: the product. And they've turned the tides, or at least 58 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,839 Speaker 1: turned the message in against it being for protesting for 59 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: a good cause or a good thing, which is really 60 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: just good and bad and right and wrong. They turned 61 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: into an anti American campaign, and the NFL just wasn't 62 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: ready for that and the messaging the Hichacks, So it 63 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: was difficult for them, and you have to look at that, 64 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: you know, I think we can all say, well, then 65 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: it should have just jumped up and stood with the players. 66 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: And yeah, I feel the same way. But I also 67 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: know that in businesses like I am now, I'm in 68 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: business and I've been in business, so people, you're gonna 69 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: lose people when you make a sense, even if it's 70 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: against something that's right. Now, we're not protesting to be 71 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: more than anybody else. We're just protesting to be equal. 72 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: And some people who find that offensive, but it's crazy 73 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: to me. And so yeah, the NFL, I was always 74 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: towing better leave than never, right, It's always better late 75 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: to the change is said, and to acknowledge that there 76 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: is a problem, then to never do that. And so 77 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: they're doing it now and then, and I'm proud of that, Terrell. 78 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: One of the biggest casualties of the National Football League 79 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: ignoring this issue with course is Colin Kaepernick. Do you 80 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: see now him getting a job and a will he 81 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: get a job because he deserves to get a job, 82 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: or someone who's going to give him a job as 83 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: a symbolic gesture that's the tough part, because Colin shouldn't 84 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: have never been out of the NFL with the amount 85 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: of quarterbacks that he's clearly better than, and he has 86 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: been better than. For him not to be able to 87 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: at least be on the team at this point, that's 88 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: the problem, and that's that's been the problem. Now you're 89 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: talking about a quarterback that hasn't played in quite some time. 90 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what kind of shape he's in. I 91 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: think a last time we saw him, he's throwing the 92 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: ball at the private workout with the NFL made that 93 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: workout for him. So yeah, I think he should, but 94 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: I think he also has to be ready when that 95 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: time comes. But absolutely I think Kylin Kaepernick should be 96 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: a in the NFL at least getting the shot, a 97 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: real shot, a real workout in someone's training camp, to 98 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: compete for at least a backup job at the minimum. 99 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: And so, Terrell, what is the right role for players 100 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: amid all of this current and former in terms of 101 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: this platform. What's the best use And I think this 102 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: does get into your current role as an entrepreneur and 103 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,799 Speaker 1: business person, what is the right role for for athletes 104 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,559 Speaker 1: to play? Because it feels like we're at a really 105 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: important moment, and you can track the evolution, you know, 106 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: going back to Ali and and beyond of athletes sort 107 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: of speaking out and making their voices heard. I wonder 108 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: how you think about it as a former player and 109 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: now as you say, someone in business. Yeah, I mean 110 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: when I saw this go down, you know, I watched 111 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: it for probably two days or so before I felt compelled. 112 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: That's like, there's no way I can stay on the 113 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: sideline and watch this happen without being vocal about it. 114 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: And there was something different about this moment. And I 115 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: don't know if you felt it or or not, but 116 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: we all felt it. I think. I think, I think 117 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: you're You're exactly right. I think we all felt it. 118 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: And I guess that's one of the things I would 119 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: love to hear from you, is why it felt different. 120 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I have my own theories, but I want 121 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: to hear yours. Yeah. I think probably it was the 122 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: situation with how George Florida was killed. And I think 123 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: it's some bold thing was we were always talked going 124 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: up and you know how to deal with law enforcement. 125 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: You know, you put your hands on a steering well, 126 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: you don't talk back and you have the checklist of things. 127 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: It really was to ensure your safety to walk away 128 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: from that situation alive. And we've been saying for years 129 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: that even if we do that, we're still being abused. 130 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: And so to see this footage come out and as 131 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: clear as daylight for nine minutes where a manage being 132 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: murdered on TV by a cop, I think it's like, listen, 133 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: what else can we do? And so it just to me, 134 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: It just said I cannot sit here and not say anything, 135 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: because I felt like, if I'm not saying anything, then 136 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: I'm part of the problem. And that's been the problem 137 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: for far too loans. People see something, even if they 138 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: say it's not right, they don't say anything about it 139 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: or do anything about it, then we're just all part 140 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: of the problem. And I don't know, I just had 141 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: this internal motivation and just said, man, you've got to 142 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: get out there. You've got to say something. You know, 143 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: people watch you and they look up to you on 144 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: the football field, that look up to you and things 145 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: in life, and this is important, Like this is really 146 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: the most important thing that you probably are going to 147 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: be able to do in your lifetime is to get 148 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: behind this cause and be able to make a change 149 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: in this coming through to have a ship, a ship 150 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: that we desperately need in this country. And so I'm 151 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: in and I and to then to your question about 152 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: what our role should be. Our role should be to 153 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: be involved and to be engaged and whatever that might be. 154 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: It might be to be in front of campaign, being vocal, 155 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: it might be able, to might be into your community, 156 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: being part of the push to get people registered, to 157 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: make sure we have people who are signed up for 158 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: dissensus so that their names are being counted, galvanizing people, 159 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: to make sure that they understand that not only do 160 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: the people who have this attitude towards blacks in this 161 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: country have to change, we have to change a lot 162 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: of things that we do as well. So there's a 163 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: lot of work, there's a lot of roles that can 164 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: be played and what needs to happen here. And I'm 165 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: actually excited about it because I'm going to I challenge 166 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: myself to go back and really know more about some 167 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: of the legislation, no more about some of the laws, 168 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: really get myself caught up on things that I know 169 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: that I can play a role in, and really in 170 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: my hometown of San Diego, differ while I spent a 171 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: lot of town time and I live in Los Angeles, 172 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna focus on those three cities and see 173 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: how I can put myself in the middle and uh 174 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: and try to be a person of purpose and change. 175 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: Over the weekend, there was a number of NFL teams, 176 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 1: particularly year old team that the Broncos led by Vic 177 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: Fangio von Miller. I think Kareem Jackson about guys. They 178 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: let a great peaceful protest in Denver. Jacksonville did the 179 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: same thing. My only concern is, you know, and now 180 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: that Roger Goodell says he wants to be part of 181 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: the change and he will participate in demonstrations once camps open. 182 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 1: Though you're so structured almost every minute of every day 183 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: that you're in the facility or you're on the practice field. 184 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: How can NFL players still make a difference, make a 185 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: public appearance once camp start? Will coaches be a little 186 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: bit flexible with the league's at a mandate? What would 187 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: you like to see there? Yeah? I don't think it 188 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: takes you have them to like have a lot of 189 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: time off to really make a change. It's partner up 190 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: with a number of organizations who are already on the ground, 191 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: already doing things, and it might require you to maybe 192 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: get on a phone call. It might be with you 193 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: going down there to be part of a fundraiser, coming 194 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 1: down given a few extra hours to some of the 195 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: you in the community. But I remember I look at 196 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: this as this is not this shouldn't feel like it's 197 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: a a job or feel like that this is the burden. 198 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: This ship feel like something you should want to do. 199 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: This ship like my all time. Oh I got four hours. 200 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: I'm going down to the you know, to the the 201 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 1: young Black you know, youth clinic, urlers, you know center 202 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: or something like that. I don't know, but it's it's 203 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: about you just wanting to do it and put more 204 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: time in and and then the state this too. I 205 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: think it's important what I saw the last couple of 206 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: days of seeing Drew Brees and I know he made 207 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: this statement, but it came back and said he understands 208 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: and seeing more of our white counterpart being involved in 209 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: this because this, again, it's not a black issue. It's 210 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: not a black and white issue. If this is a 211 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: humanity issue, this is about people who are fighting for 212 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: the right to be just treated equally. And if you're 213 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: not seeing that, and if we don't have our white 214 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: counterparts who are there by our side, tavann that message 215 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: that man, we all should be fighting for this, not 216 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: just black people. This should be white people, Hispanic, Chinese, 217 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. We should all be fighting. So we have 218 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: a country that is treating everyone equally and so to 219 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: see vic Fangio leading to march s. John Elway makes 220 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: this statement about coming off the sideline she Drew Brees. 221 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: I was really happy about not because we made him 222 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: kind of rethink what he said before. I respect freedom 223 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: of speech, and Drew was in it's right to say 224 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: what he had to say, but I think when he 225 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: said it, I think what people were a little upset 226 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: about was that we're in the middle of this saying 227 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: the whole world is protesting the inequalities, and you sort 228 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: of bring up the flag as something that irritated you 229 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: when people were kneeling, and it just seemed like the 230 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: timing of that was right and the messaging again was lost. 231 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: You know, we'll see when the season happens. I don't 232 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: think this is gonna physic like it did many times 233 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: before when someone would say something and then they didn't 234 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: have the support and all of a sudden it just 235 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: goes away and we don't hear about it. I think 236 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: this is gonna be totally good. Yeah, And Terrell, you know, 237 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: one of the things that and this is not a 238 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: super original thought on my part, but you know, when 239 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: we go back to this question of why this is 240 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: different and why it may last, it does feel like 241 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: social media plays a big role in that. And I 242 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: think part of why people, especially and I'll say it, 243 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 1: why white people, I think are engaging in this and 244 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: many more in many more ways is twofold one. There's 245 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: a generation of kids coming up who look at the 246 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 1: world very differently. I think about my own teenagers who 247 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: were very engaged on this. My son is getting ready 248 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: to go to a protest here in the you know, 249 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: New York suburbs later today. And you know what's interesting 250 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: is that I do think because we could all see 251 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: what happened to George Floyd, that made a huge difference. 252 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: You know the fact that it was there and once 253 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 1: you see it, you cannot look away and you can't 254 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: unsee it. And it does feel like, even to your 255 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: point about you know, what happened with Drew Brees, the 256 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 1: immediacy of the reaction and the fact that we could 257 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: all your reaction Lebron's reaction his teammates reread you know, 258 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: Drew Brees teammates reactions. I mean that gives it, I 259 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: think a sense of urgency and reality that maybe we 260 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: haven't had before. I don't know what you mean. No, 261 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right from THEIL want the air 262 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: with that when it is and social media is so powerful, 263 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: the fact that people are able to just mobilize and 264 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: get a message across in an instant, I mean, it 265 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: doesn't take long. And then you see the weight of it, 266 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: where you saying, wow, we have all these people chiming in, 267 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: people who normally wouldn't say anything and saying something, and 268 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: so that that leads to a lot of changes, you know, 269 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: very quickly. Yeah, I think the combinations of that and 270 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 1: then yeah, just to see the video over and over 271 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: and just not understanding why someone would do that. I 272 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: mean for us, for us, it was almost like the 273 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: kid that always kept saying, hey, Mama, there's a ghost 274 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: in my room and the parents like, no, you know, 275 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: ghost in the room. So I mean the it is 276 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: and then finally when the parents and then part of 277 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: their parents see it, kids like see, I told you, 278 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: And it's like we felt like we kept saying things 279 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: like guess it's happening. It does happen, uugh, it does 280 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: without unarmed We're complying with the officer, and still we're 281 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: being abused. And I felt like white America are not 282 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: no white America. People who just did never believe it 283 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: finally got a chance to say, Wow, it opened their 284 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: their eyes up, like yeah, maybe you're right, Like yeah, 285 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: I guess it does happen. You know, It's like yeah, 286 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: it does, like you know. And again I told people, 287 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: this is not for me. It's not a campaign against 288 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: law enforcement. It's a campaign against bad law enforcement, against 289 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: precincts and a culture that's been there for hundreds of 290 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: years that exists in our community where police come in 291 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: there a lot of times they're not there to be 292 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: a friend. They're there to be a menacing, sort of 293 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: intimidating factor, leading by authority, leading with the heavy hand. 294 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: And I've seen it as a kid. I grew up 295 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: in the neighborhood where we would just up like every 296 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: it's not every day, but every time I would have 297 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: an encounter with law enforcement, it wasn't a good one. 298 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: And the problem was even before that, the people, the 299 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: older guys in my community, I'd already known about their stories, 300 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: and you hear the stories, you see it happening. So 301 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: the culture that we're being raised in our own community 302 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: is that cops are bad and that's not good. That 303 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: has got to change, you know. We've got to tell 304 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: our kids that no law enforcement is is there to 305 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: protect us and to make sure that keep law in 306 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: the order because we need that in our society and 307 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: they're humans like we are, and so we've got to, 308 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: you know, bridge that gap with our youth and law enforcement. 309 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: So that's gonna be super important, man. But yeah, I 310 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: just think the way I grew up now, I can 311 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: see how people might may think that stuff like that 312 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't happen because I haven't seen it. You know, 313 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: where I live fift twenty years, I don't see anything 314 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: like that where I live. How did you control your 315 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: anger when that happened? When you were sitting on the 316 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: electrical box and you just saw this. I mean, the 317 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: normal human reaction is to be angry and retaliate verbally 318 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: or some other manner. How did you control your anger? 319 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: For me, it's different people. But I had already heard, 320 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: already knew that when approach bright them, you just you 321 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: don't say anything. I've had I mean, I've had a 322 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: number of business where I had one where they put 323 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: the dog on me. They pulled my buddy and I 324 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: over in high school and put us on the trunk 325 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: of the car, and the big old German shepherd was 326 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: I mean within an enter my face and I can 327 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: smell the heat of his breath. And they didn't tell 328 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: us why did us get out to put up? Pull 329 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: us off the car? Did that? Searched us and just 330 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: basically left, you know. I would ride my bike from 331 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: in the city Senate always to the north side of 332 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: San Diego. We were doing our friends quite often, and 333 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: I remember every time we would ride, and it's a 334 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: long ride too, it's not like a molitude, it's pretty far, 335 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: and we would probably more times not get stopped by 336 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: law enforcement. Most times it was friend. They pull you 337 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: over and they will ask your question, you know where 338 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: you us from and we're like, yeah, we're from San Diego, 339 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: like in the city of San Diego, and then they'll 340 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 1: you know, stop you for a few minutes. They'll let 341 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: you go a few times. Remember one of them asking 342 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 1: a few times kind of a friendly when I kind 343 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: of maybe in a funny way, but they went from 344 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: us it was like, hey, you guys, do any vikes? 345 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: Did you? And We're like, no, we're just do any bikes? Man, 346 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: you know you know what I'm saying. Like, so we 347 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: would always it would it would almost be like, Okay, 348 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: I know we're gonna get stopped because we're away away 349 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,479 Speaker 1: from where we live. We don't live nowhere in this now. 350 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: But for me, I just knew that. To me, uh 351 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: and my my dad had always taught us that you 352 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: cannot win that fight with law enforcement on the street. 353 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: Don't give him my attitude. Just do what they ask 354 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: you didn't do. If you have any complaints, then you 355 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 1: you complain later, but right on the street, it's not 356 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: the place to do it. I wonder, you know, now, 357 00:17:56,040 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: given what you're doing, you know, post football, as an entrepreneur, 358 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: as a businessman, co founder of a company called Defy, 359 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: I wonder what you think about it from an economic 360 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: and business perspective, because one of the things that's become 361 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: very clear, and you know, we are Bloomberg after all, 362 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: So We're looking at this from a very very data driven, 363 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: in a very economic and business driven perspective, and what 364 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: we see is that there are structural economic problems and 365 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: even structural problems when it comes to the world of business. 366 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: I wonder, as you are growing a company, how you 367 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: think about what you can do for your customers and 368 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: for your employees, because that seems to be a key 369 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: part of this that we're all kind of opening our 370 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 1: eyes to as well. The first thing is the kind 371 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: of take a look at that sort of who you're hiring, 372 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 1: like why you're hiring at firston, and sometimes it's design 373 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: even of you know, what you you don't mean to 374 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: be what you're denying somebody acts says, you know, because 375 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people are just comfortable with people they know, 376 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: you know, friends that they grow up with. They choose 377 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: a certain thing and not for any reason to be 378 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: meaning anybody. But I think just kind of looking at 379 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: our situation, looking at your company, reevaluating the structure your company. 380 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: Do you have minorities and there, do you have women 381 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: that's working at your company or is it all just 382 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: white males? And that's the first thing you you look at. 383 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: But you know, I think for us, we're really diverse, 384 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 1: and you know, we want to make sure that that's 385 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: the case. And if I have an obligation, you know, 386 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: I do have an obligation to make sure that when 387 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: I'm traveling up that ladder, I'm bringing somebody of color 388 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: with me, that I'm giving somebody an opportunity that we're 389 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: trying to you know, expand and and off those opportunities 390 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: to them, which and what they may not have be 391 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: able to get those opportunities. And so I think that 392 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: we all can do that. We can look around and say, 393 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,479 Speaker 1: all right, let's let's see where we can open some 394 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: avenues up to allow minorities in we're in the past 395 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: that may not been the as Terrell. I know that 396 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: this is a little bit of levity, but it's for 397 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: on a very same serious situation. I know, years ago 398 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 1: you were on Sesame Street and Uh, ironically all your 399 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: old pals big Bird and Burton, Ernie and uh Elmo 400 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: are going to team up with CNN and have a 401 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: special town hall aimed at kids and families coming together 402 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: standing up to racism. Is it important that we just 403 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: target the kids, at the young kids right away, and 404 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: we just don't aim towards the people that are protesting 405 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: or looting, or the or the police officers. How important 406 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: is this to go after the young kids and their families. Yeah, 407 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: I think that's all. I think it's great, I do 408 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: you know. I think everybody on every level needs to 409 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: have some level of education and some social awareness, you know, 410 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: about different races and learn about backgrounds and different history. 411 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: But yeah, it starts there. That's where it's brand to me. Like, 412 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: you know, most of these kids who have their views, 413 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: a lot of it is taught, you know, at home. 414 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: It's over hearing their parents, is watching their parents friends 415 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 1: or family members come over and make statements and have 416 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: these comments, and a lot of times it's just bread 417 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: at home. And so it's important to let the kids 418 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 1: know that there's a bigger world and that, you know, 419 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: people look different and that's okay. You know, it doesn't 420 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: mean one race is better than the other races. It's 421 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: God made everybody unique and that's a beautiful thing. And 422 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: that's why I tell my children. So we read the book, 423 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: our books that our kids read their very there's the 424 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: multicultural books, you know, and so we we explain to 425 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: them that this for everybody looks different because kids have questions. 426 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: They come home, they ask a questions about you know, 427 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: they're white friends and why why why does my friends 428 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: you know have white skin? And I'm like, well, because 429 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: God made everybody different, but your friend is just as equal. 430 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: When we still love your friend and your friend loved you, guys, 431 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 1: and so we we we explain to them those things. 432 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: And because they see it, and people a lot of 433 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: times say they don't see color, I'm like, we we 434 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: all see color. Yeah, I mean when you see it, 435 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: it's just how you react to it. Are you treating 436 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: somewhat differently because of the way they look? And you 437 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: gotta sometimes make sure you have a conscious mind that 438 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: you don't. But yeah, O, our kids, their school is 439 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: very diverse to classes and we we for us, it 440 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: was very important for our kids to go to school 441 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: that has diversity the way their school is. And so yeah, 442 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: I think at home is definitely the place to start, 443 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: and it definitely needs to be a conversation. Sets me 444 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: street big ups. You appreciate what they're doing, and I 445 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: think more programs need to bring it up and stop. 446 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: You know, when you don't talk about it doesn't mean 447 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 1: that you know it doesn't exist, and I think that's 448 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: been part of the issues. We don't speak about it. 449 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: It's gonna talk about it, so you know it's not there. 450 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: But I think we're going to see more programs doing that, 451 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: which is a good thing. You know, switching it gears 452 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: a little bit too rell to some of your philanthropic work, 453 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: and then we want to talk a little bit about 454 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: your company and what's going on. But it's a natural 455 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: evolution to talk about some of the things you've done 456 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: from a charitable perspective because you know, another I feel 457 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:12,719 Speaker 1: like issue that that maybe goes unspoken about or or 458 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: maybe ignored a little bit is that of veterans. And 459 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: I know you've done a lot of work there to 460 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: tell us about that and tell us why you got interested. Yeah, 461 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: so I've done a lot a few things. I've you know, 462 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: Boys and Girls Club, Floo Band and Rockies, two organizations 463 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: that I support. But we're we've teamed up with the 464 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: team the Red, White, Blue with the Veterans organization that 465 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: tries to uh, you know, enhance the lives of its veterans. 466 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: And to me, it's pretty simple. It was it was 467 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: It wasn't complicated because of my respect for our men 468 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: and women who have served in this country. My mom 469 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: high Slop came about because I wanted to embody the 470 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: mentality of a soldier and so I just thought a 471 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: soldier and you know what they have to go through. 472 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: You know, they put the work and the risk and 473 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: sacrifice their lives for our country. And you know they 474 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: don't make a lot of money. This is this They 475 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: don't not about money. It's about what they've been doing. 476 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: So my admiration for our military has been in for 477 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 1: a long time. And so yeah, so we're excited to 478 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: partner up with them with my company to find um 479 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: to be able to help veterans and send that message 480 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,959 Speaker 1: that our veterans need need our help still. You know 481 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: a lot of times we forget about our veterans Chil's 482 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: Memorial Day or Veterans Day, and we should be thinking 483 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 1: about our veterans every single day based off the things 484 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: that they have done for us, because they fight for 485 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: our country every single day. They don't they don't get 486 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: days off, and they just don't do that. So we're 487 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: pretty excited about this, this partnership that we've just launched 488 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: with them, and we on our site, we're created Define Nation, 489 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: which is our community of It's really a community to 490 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: fires of people who are encouraged to visit our site 491 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: UM and who can tell stories of the find the 492 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: day and inspiring people. We have a workout video that's 493 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: free that we're gonna do a workout series for UM. 494 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: Right now, we're doing one went for veterans and people 495 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: who have limited mobility, and so we're gonna expand that 496 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: and make it more for not only veterans but people 497 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: who want to want to do more high temple stuff. 498 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: So I'm pretty excited about that part. Uh. We also 499 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: are going to start doing a challenge on their where 500 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 1: challenge people to give a ninety days UM you know, 501 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: sort of tell us what you what you want to define, 502 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: which is gonna be really cool. And then we're gonna 503 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: have some of our social stuff where we're gonna get 504 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: engaged with you know, I don't know what what organizations 505 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 1: we're going to team up with, but really get in 506 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: to help the calls with get advancing the message and 507 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: UM and in equality in this country. So we and yeah, 508 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: we'll have probably some recipe and do some stuff. We 509 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: have some fun stuff in there as well. But we're 510 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: pretty excited about that. And we just launch started to 511 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: Fight zero, which is our performance drink that as um CBD, 512 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: no th C in our drink. It's the best tasting 513 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: drink in the world, by the ways. Wow, that's a 514 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: bold statement. That's that's strong strong marketing. Well oh man, 515 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: Well our orange one won an award, so it's our 516 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: our orange mangels. Yes, it is the best taste in 517 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: CBD in the world, and it's already gotten better by 518 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: we now have no added sugar in our zero that 519 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 1: came out, so we have our our regular and then 520 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: we have our our zero that that's out. So yeah, 521 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: and and and for me, CBD has changed my life. Yeah, 522 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: we'll tell us about that because I mean, listen, I 523 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,719 Speaker 1: think anybody who followed your career, you know, knows some 524 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,719 Speaker 1: of the kind of scary moments that you had, especially 525 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: related to to migraines and and other things and other injuries. 526 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: Tell us how you got to CBD. Yeah, this is 527 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,239 Speaker 1: a few years ago. Uh, you know, we were we 528 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 1: were looking into it, at least my partners were. And 529 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 1: I was beat up, you know, of football, and was 530 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 1: beat up and I didn't know over like twenty years man, 531 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: I was, so I was so beat up that I 532 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: put on over like twenty something pounds and people would 533 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: see me like, man, you look pretty good, look like 534 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: you're still playing up like thanks, And I felt like 535 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: I'm still playing but that was not me And the 536 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: problem was going able to work out. I have setbacks, 537 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: you know, my knees will swell up. I had constant pain, 538 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 1: so you know, I'm not comfortable working out like that. 539 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: And so a few years back, we discovered CBD and 540 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: I started taking it and I was like, wow, this 541 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: stuff is. It's amazing. You know, over about a three 542 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 1: or four week period, inflammation in my knee UM started 543 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 1: to go away. I didn't have the chronic pain my 544 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: body so allowed me to feel better, which meant I 545 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: can work out more. And more I worked out, I 546 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: was able to bounce back faster, and so that really 547 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: led us to an idea that if we could improve 548 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: the product, find UM you know, do our own research, 549 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: our own science, build a brand that UM that's mainstreams, 550 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: make sure our CBD is the best in the marketplace, 551 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: that it is the gold standards, and you know, be 552 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: able to share that with people who are going through 553 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: the same thing. I'm going through, especially exactletes. Um. But 554 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 1: that was our goal and uh that was over to 555 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: three years ago. We had our first year anniversary was 556 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 1: May twenty one. Uh so we celebrated one year and 557 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: we created to Define and we came out with a 558 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: performance brand drink that has um coconut oil, uh to 559 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: the coconut water and let your life be vitamins you know, 560 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: full spect from CBDU. Again, the most important thing that 561 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,239 Speaker 1: we want to make sure was that it had no 562 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: THHC and that is the cycle active part of the 563 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: plant that is you're taking and get that little little buzz. 564 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: So we wanted to remove all of that away from 565 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: the product so that everybody can drink in it, especially athletes. 566 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: You know, we can warriors, yoga, yoga mom, anybody who 567 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: just wants to feel better, increase their daily activity and 568 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: uh and really defy the day. And so that's what 569 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: we thought it sought off to do. And I'm pretty 570 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: proud of where we are, man. So it's been fun 571 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: and uh again are Defined zero is out and that's 572 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: even that tastes even better. Man. I was really impressed 573 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: with the formulation how we came up with via zero 574 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: because peoplere you know, we obviously wedn't want to use 575 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: this for working out and and stuff. And one feedback 576 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: we got was, you know, can you guys, you know, 577 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: take some of the sugar one. Yeah, we worked on 578 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: that and made made it happen. So, Terrell, you talk 579 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: to a guy who played golf on Friday and Saturday. 580 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,959 Speaker 1: And I'm limping around on Monday right here with knees 581 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: and hips and everything, and and I have some CBD cream. 582 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: But do you find that the oral ingestion of this 583 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: works more effectively than than the cream does? Well, the 584 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: cream works if you have a local lot, if you 585 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: have something specific like you know, obviously a hamstring or 586 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: you know, a cyclon tusion or something like that, that's 587 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: what I put it on. But I have a routine 588 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: that I take probably about sixty milligrams a day. Um, 589 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: you know, so I'll have I do the teacher you know, 590 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: little drops, and then I'll I'll drink these the five 591 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: drinks and each bottle has twenty milligrams in each bottle, 592 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: and so that's around roughly fifty to sixty milligrams a 593 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: day for me. And I always tell most people like 594 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: started something, you know, forty and then sort of work 595 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: your way up because as you know, um all you 596 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: mean not know, different people's body react differently to it, 597 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: and some people might need to hire dosage, some people 598 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: don't need to hire dosage. And it's really just you 599 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: just kind of putting, you know, taking it and maybe 600 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: incrementally improving it over the over time as you feel 601 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: you know what's right for you. Um. And that's what 602 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: we always recommend. Yeah, but I use them all. I 603 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: use our muzzle bomb mounthcrack on my shoulder, the back 604 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: part of my shoulder for some reason, for many years, 605 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: when I try to lift, when I bench pressed in 606 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: the back them my kind of my tracks. Uh, that 607 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: always gets sore. So I use the musk bomb on that, 608 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: and I also use it on my my knees. Is well, 609 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: I'll put everything on my knee my knees. I have 610 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: no Carlas on my knees, so I need everything I 611 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: can I can use on my knees. Yeah. So, Terrell, 612 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta ask you because this leads us, 613 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: you know, very directly into something I know you care 614 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: a lot about and we're all thinking about right now, 615 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: which is if and when the NFL does come back, 616 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: and we we hope it's a when obviously, and whatever 617 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: that looks like, players safety is going to be at 618 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: the core of that discussion, you know, obviously related to 619 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: the coronavirus, but I think generally there is much more 620 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: awareness about as you experience, very directly, just the physical 621 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: beating that it takes to be a professional football player. 622 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: As you think about the NFL coming back, what's top 623 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: of mind for you as it relates to players safety 624 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: right now? Yeah, well, I guess you just you know, 625 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: the coronavirus, COVID nineteam, like, how do you have because 626 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: that's the trick. How do you get a group of 627 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: people back together in a locker room on the field physically, 628 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: you know, tackling each other, the close proxivity to each other, 629 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: you're traveling together. I think everybody's trying to figure out 630 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: what that looks like because you can only stay apart 631 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: so long before you have to get together and uh 632 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: and and play. So um, that's number one. I think 633 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: Number two for me would be these guys are not out, 634 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: they're not actually working out, um at least not with 635 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: the team, and that's part when you're when you're not 636 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: playing playing. I don't care how much training you're doing 637 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: at home with another trainer. That's not really football. That's 638 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: that's the hard part. That's when people come into camps 639 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: and you see a lot of you know, soft tissue tears, hamstring, 640 00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: you see you know, quad tears. Because football is a 641 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: little just a little bit more um difficult when it 642 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: comes to putting your putting your body through the stresses 643 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: of the sudden movement, the explosion, running through tackles, um, 644 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: all that stuff. And you can only simulate that for 645 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: so long. And I'll be curious to see how fast 646 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: players get up to speed. Um Number one, how fast 647 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: they're gonna allow these players to actually practice together and 648 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: then start they have contacting and put pads on and 649 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: have half the games go on. So those two things 650 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: to me probably one COVID nineteen the number two really 651 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: just getting players and coaches and to actually simulate some 652 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: real football looking drills and exercises. Would would you be 653 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: insistent upon regular testing for you and all your teammates? Uh, 654 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: if if you were to come back, let's just say 655 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: you're a current player right now, I would. And the 656 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: reason I would because it's not about us right, It's 657 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: about our family, you know, as when you're going home 658 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: every day, you have kids there, your wife, you may 659 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: have um, you might be your you know, parents might 660 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: be at home. So what I think we all understand 661 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 1: is that it's it's we have to treat it as 662 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,879 Speaker 1: if we can, you know, infect other people and it's 663 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: and it's super serious. So yeah, I think we And 664 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: then you have some people who are asymptomatic, may not 665 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: show any signs of and they might have it. Now 666 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: you have the whole locker room hoteam who asked over nineteen. 667 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: So go to the procedures and that's testing every day, 668 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: check them. You're checking out everybody's temperature to make sure that. 669 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: At least I think that's first thing they do is 670 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,879 Speaker 1: check your temperature and then um, they might even test 671 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: you every day, which would be even better. And then yeah, 672 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: the monitor that and just stay on top of it 673 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: the best you can. So Terres, As we wrap up, 674 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: I guess I would love to ask you, you know 675 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: here we are as I said, you know, jun, I 676 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: think this has been a year that nobody really anticipated 677 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: in so many ways. You know, given where you are, 678 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: given what your goals are in your post playing world, 679 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,959 Speaker 1: How does your attitude, how do your goals and hopes 680 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 1: and dreams change? How have they changed? And what does 681 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: it look like going forward for you in the in 682 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 1: the short and mid term. You know, that's that's that's 683 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: a great question. Um. I remember, you know, leaving football 684 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 1: and thinking, man, you know, kind of life not life 685 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: is over, but my work was done, you know, I 686 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 1: kind of you know, I left my market and professional 687 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: football and felt good about that. But the more the 688 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: longer out of football, I realized that I have a 689 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: lot of work to do and one of my goals 690 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,919 Speaker 1: I've set for myself is to to be known more 691 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: for something outside of football than the career that I left. 692 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: And that, to me, that's the mindset that that is 693 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: driving me. I think it's part of why I'm I'm 694 00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: speaking out about Black Lives Matter, um, is that I 695 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 1: think it's a bigger, bigger calling for me in life, 696 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: and I want to be able to leave this planet 697 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: and say, you know what, it wasn't just football football 698 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: with the platform, but I'm proud of this. I'm proud 699 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: of that I've I've affected people, I've changed lives. I 700 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: was able to be able to be um involved in 701 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 1: something that's that's bigger than sports, and that's that's my 702 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 1: every day sort of goal. That's that's my my my 703 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: mission every day is all right, one day I'm gonna 704 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 1: be known for something more or bigger than ite and 705 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: just playing football, and that's what keeps me going. Well, Uh, 706 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: it's a noble cause, for sure. It's spectacular. This has 707 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 1: been a great conversation and enlightening conversation and I hope 708 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: that a lot of people take take a lot from it. Terrella. 709 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,359 Speaker 1: I admired you from afar as a football player and 710 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: admire what you're you're doing now for the community and 711 00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: UM and being an entrepreneur as well. Congratulations, I appreciate it. 712 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: Thanks and thanks very much. And you guys be easy 713 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,240 Speaker 1: and go bronc old Man. All right. Thanks to Terrell Davis, 714 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: NFL Hall of Famer of course, co founder of Defied Community, 715 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: leader and outspoken in many ways. We really enjoyed that. Well, 716 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: you've been listening to Bloomberg Businesses Sports. We're here with 717 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: you every week at the same time, plus online wherever 718 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: you get your podcast. Catch those Mondays, Wednesdays and Thursdays. 719 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: I'm Jason Kelly, on Twitter at Jason Kelly News and 720 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: I'm Mike Lynch. You can catch me at lunch e 721 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: w CVB and catch Terrell Davis, of course at Terrell 722 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,240 Speaker 1: Underscore Davis. This is Bloomberg Business of Sports.