1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: I have heard you talk about your experience with pat 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Riley and how quickly he kicked you out. Uncle Jerome 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,719 Speaker 1: went to the U haul store and you were moving. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: He came out after the end of last season and said, 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: we are not extending Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler is making 6 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: fifty million this year, has a player option next year 7 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: for another fifty so it comes out to about one 8 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: hundred million over the next two years. But Jimmy right 9 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: now is saying I don't have the joy to play. 10 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: I have been around a lot of normal, working class 11 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: folks the last week that have brought this up to me, 12 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: and what seems to me is it's not resonating well 13 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: with people that they're going, you're thirty five, you're making 14 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: one hundred million over the next two years to play 15 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: a game, and you're trying to tell us that you 16 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: don't have joy. I've also had a lot of people 17 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: say to me, man, I'm noticing a trend that everywhere 18 00:00:55,360 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler goes it doesn't end well. Minnesota, Sha Kago, Philadelphia, 19 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't really end great. What advice would you give 20 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: Jimmy right now, because it does seem like a weird situation. 21 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 2: I have a question. Do you get paid for what 22 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: you've done or what you're going to do? Just think 23 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: about that right now, think about. 24 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: That run, and I would say, pat Riley has always 25 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: paid for what you're going to do, where there are 26 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: other franchises that may pay for what you've done. 27 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: So pat Riley runs the ship his way, and when 28 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 2: you're in charge, that's the only way it should be. 29 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: I said the other day, Kenny asked what you pay 30 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I think Charles asked what you pay a 31 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 2: guy thirty five, fifty five or sixty out of respect 32 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 2: for what he has done. I would have the conversation 33 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: with him. Pat Riley showed me that respect. When I 34 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: was there, I won a championship, I was do some money, 35 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: and he called me the office and he said, listen, 36 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: big fellow, if I gave it twenty five, you're don't 37 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: have now whatever you want to do, it's not a conversation. 38 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: You deserve it, jearned. If I gave you as twenty 39 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 2: five for four. Yeah, However, I can give you twenty 40 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: for five, and I can bring in James Posey, I 41 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 2: can bring in white chocolate, I can bring in your 42 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 2: arch arrival alone till morning, I can bring in your 43 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: friend GP. And we had that conversation, and I wanted 44 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: to be remembered as a guy that could win, so 45 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 2: I said, you know what, I appreciate the respect. I'll 46 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: take the less money. So I don't know if they 47 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: had that conversation. I don't want to get into people's 48 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 2: business right that money. But you know one thing about 49 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: mister Rally is he's definitely going to run it his way. 50 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 2: And as a player, you have the right to feel 51 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 2: what you feel. Adam. This is how players think. Right. 52 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 2: Let's just say let's just say that was a podcast 53 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: money network, right, and me and you are making a 54 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: certain amount, and we see some kids out there that 55 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: we're better than, and we know where better than. We 56 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 2: get higher ratings, higher numbers, but they're making a whole 57 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: lot more money. How do you think that's gonna make 58 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 2: us feel. It's definitely gonna just feel some type of ways. 59 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 2: So when we go back to the big cock and 60 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: then we're gonna be like, listen, my man, these little 61 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 2: twitch kids or these little streamer kids, they make them 62 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: boom boom boom boom boom. Me and Adam number are 63 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 2: higher this is what we want. That's how the game works. 64 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 2: Like all players do it, all agents. So so Jimmy saying, Okay, 65 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: I know I'm thirty five and all that, but this 66 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: guy is he's making this and he's making that. So 67 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 2: this is what I want. That's the name of the game. 68 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: And you know, the narrative is always going to be 69 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 2: pushed a certain way. But I know that Jimmy is 70 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: a strong guy and Pat's a strong guy. But when 71 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 2: you're in charge, when you're the judge, the jury, and 72 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 2: the executioner, you get the final say so. So my situation, 73 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 2: Pat had the final say song. He said, it's trying 74 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: to trade the big fellow, and I was traded. But 75 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: hey man, this is what we call the business of basketball. 76 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: Business of basketball. 77 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: Jealousy is the only poison that affects the container. And 78 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: I I one time was in a conversation with a 79 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: very wealthy person and he kept telling me, He's like, 80 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: don't you want more? And I don't know what happened 81 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: to me. It was like during the pandemic. I just 82 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: tried to learn the power of the word enough, because 83 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: I think it's great to be motivated to try and 84 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: get everything but I think sometimes you don't appreciate what 85 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: you have when you're obsessed with having more. 86 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: And I think that. 87 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: Balance you need, you need to keep going. But at 88 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: the same time, but. 89 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 2: I don't think it's more. I think it's more about mine. 90 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: And when you talk about jealousy mine, if I got mine, 91 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: well I don't want yours. See what I'm saying. 92 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: So I ask you a rich person question, and I 93 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: don't think people can understand. Yeah, okay, So I looked 94 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: up Jimmy's career earnings. Now what fancy to understand? They 95 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: A lot of this money has been spent, a lot 96 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 1: of this money has been taxed, and a lot of 97 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: this has gone to agents. So like, what, whatever the 98 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: number is, probably cut it to like forty. 99 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 2: Percent, right, then let's just go fifty to be. 100 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: I'm saying fifty plus an agent plus whatever you've paid. 101 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: So career earnings is over three hundred million, three hundred 102 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: and twelve, So now we're at one fifty. Then let's 103 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: say he's spent thirty forty. So let's say he's at 104 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: one hundred and ten. Right when you're looking at a contract, 105 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: then that's offering you fifty and you're like I want sixty. 106 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 2: Because I'm looking at everybody else. 107 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: So you saying it's not about like the ten million dollars, 108 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: because I don't think the ten million dollars is really 109 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: going to have that much of an impact on you. 110 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: It's it's so it's more of an ego thing. 111 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: Ego and negotiations. You're going to start high. If I 112 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 2: come back and say just give me fifty, then they'd 113 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: be like, oh well what about forty five? I want sixty, 114 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 2: And then you have a respectful conversation like, hey man, 115 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 2: I would love to give you fifty, but you know, 116 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 2: but I don't. I don't know if that conversation is 117 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 2: that it was had with me, and even I was traded, 118 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 2: I can I can credit mister Raleigh for having that 119 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 2: conversation with me because he because he also said, big man, 120 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 2: I gave you whatever you want. You came to the city, 121 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 2: you said you're gonna give us a championship. I told 122 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: you I was gonna give you some new money. Here 123 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 2: we are. However, he had to however, and I had 124 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: to make a decision. I don't know if they have 125 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 2: that conversation, but you never want to take less money. 126 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 2: You want to take more money. It's the art of negotiation. 127 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 2: Like for example, when I was in Orlando, I want 128 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 2: one fifty. I know it wasn't getting one fifty, but 129 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 2: I want one fifty. So now you talk me down 130 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: from what you think can go. And then finally LA 131 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 2: got it to one twenty, which was sixty in LA. 132 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: You know in La is fifty percent. Just you know, 133 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 2: cut that in half. 134 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: Now I'm the one that lives in New York, I 135 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: understand that. 136 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 2: Where would you like to see him go? I would 137 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 2: like to see him go to Golden State. 138 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: That would definitely be exciting. There's part of me that 139 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: wants to see him in San Antonio with Wemby and Pop. 140 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: It's he's a very unique style of player. Like him 141 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: on the Thunder wouldn't make sense. Cleveland wouldn't make sense. 142 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of the competitive teams right now, 143 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: like the teams that are clicking right now. He needs 144 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: to go to someone that needs a piece. 145 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: I like him at Golden State because when he was 146 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: at Miami, he used to drive me crazy, get all 147 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 2: the way to the lane and kick it out for 148 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: three bro later got him ball up, So that'll work 149 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: in Golden State. 150 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: Six six ers fans are upset that he left and 151 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: we kept Tobias over him. 152 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 2: So that's one too. 153 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: I want to ask a question, because you would know 154 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: Derek Rose Jahn Morant, who would you say was more 155 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: explosive when they were both at full like health and jumping. 156 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna answer this. I heard I heard somebody 157 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 2: say this one time, So I'm gonna answer first, Derek 158 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 2: Rose because I've seen it live in person. John Moran 159 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 2: is the hell of a player. No disrespect to him. 160 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: I haven't seen it live, but for me because of 161 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: personal experience, I don't have to go there. I haven't 162 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: never played against John Moran, but he looks very explosive. 163 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 2: I can tell his explosive. 164 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: But what was it like with Derek Rose, Like when 165 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: he coming. 166 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 2: Out with that pick and roll, he might as well 167 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: just get out the way because if you try to show, 168 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 2: he's gonna go around you. He was quick, man. There's 169 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 2: a lot of quick guys, a lot of quick guys, 170 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 2: but John is very explosive. And these are the questions 171 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 2: that I hate because if you don't answer him the 172 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 2: right way, I'm hating. So I'm trying to break it 173 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 2: down as educationally as possible. I know from experience what 174 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: Dereck Roose can do. I haven't played against Joss. 175 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 1: Westbrook was incredibly explosive. 176 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I played against Westbrook. So if I'm doing 177 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 2: field studies and field tests, I've been in the field 178 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 2: with those two gentlemen. I haven't been in the field, 179 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 2: mister Moran, So I can't give you an analysis of 180 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:06,719 Speaker 2: what the calculation of his speed reciproc reciprocability is. H 181 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 2: m hmmmm, mhm