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Speaker 1: let's talk some basketball. So to give you a guys, that,
Speaker 1: a guys an idea of how we're gonna do this.
Speaker 1: I so the way I broke it down this morning,
Speaker 1: I have two tiers that I'm gonna break our power
Speaker 1: rankings into. I have our list of top tier contenders
Speaker 1: and I've got seven of them, and then I have
Speaker 1: really good teams that are not likely to win an
Speaker 1: NBA championship this year, and I have twelve of those,
Speaker 1: So that leaves us as nineteen. And then I think
Speaker 1: there's a drop off after that point. And to be clear,
Speaker 1: if we were doing this is just a pure power rankings,
Speaker 1: there are a couple teams I'd consider here, either Chicago
Speaker 1: Toronto or Indiana. Chicago though all three of their main
Speaker 1: stars zach Lavine, Demarti Rosen, and Nicole Vucevic all played
Speaker 1: over seventy four games last year and they still were
Speaker 1: below five hundred and missed the playoffs. That's not good.
Speaker 1: The Toronto Rafters are gonna have one of the worst
Speaker 1: back courts in the NBA going into the season. You
Speaker 1: guys know how much I love Dennis Schroder. Raptors fans,
Speaker 1: You're going to love Dennis Schroeder, but Dennis Schroeder and
Speaker 1: Gary Trent Junior is just not going to stack up
Speaker 1: compared to most of the back courts that you're gonna
Speaker 1: find elsewhere around the league. I think that's a big
Speaker 1: step back for them. I think guys like Scottie Barnes
Speaker 1: are not quite ready to take that leap. They need
Speaker 1: to get to the next level offensively, and so I
Speaker 1: think Toronto is gonna take a step back. Indiana's gonna
Speaker 1: be really interesting. To be clear, if we were doing
Speaker 1: power ranking style, I would probably put Indiana at twenty.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna cover the San Antonio Spurs today, and
Speaker 1: the reason why is like I find them to be
Speaker 1: incredibly interesting. We're only going to do twenty of these videos.
Speaker 1: We're still going to cover Indiana, Chicago, and Toronto throughout
Speaker 1: the season. I promise you guys we will. But for
Speaker 1: the purposes of this list and focusing on twenty teams,
Speaker 1: I want to bump our normal top twenty and go
Speaker 1: with San Antonio today, and then starting with number nineteen,
Speaker 1: we'll have more traditional power rankings based on how I
Speaker 1: think the team's rank at the top of the league.
Speaker 1: So for today, though, we're just gonna dive into what
Speaker 1: should be a very very interesting young team with the
Speaker 1: best draft prospects since Lebron James and Victor Wemanyama. Going
Speaker 1: to dive into their offseason moves. We're gonna talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about their depth chart, what I expect their
Speaker 1: starting lineup to look like, some things I expect to
Speaker 1: see from them offensively this year, a little bit about
Speaker 1: the defensive end as well, and looking in at their
Speaker 1: ball handlers and how they've progressed in their development. All right,
Speaker 1: let's start with the recap of this last offseason. So
Speaker 1: they lost Key de Bates, Job, Gorgie Jang, and Romeo Langford.
Speaker 1: They added Reggie Bullock, who's a good lock and trail defender,
Speaker 1: decent point of attack defender, a movement shooter. Now Dallas
Speaker 1: didn't really use him as a movement shooter, so he
Speaker 1: didn't get a lot of reps there, but he's a
Speaker 1: guy who can come off of screens and knock down
Speaker 1: shots and make plays. Also a very high volume efficient
Speaker 1: spot up player one point zero seven points per spot
Speaker 1: up possession last year, which is really good. Now compared
Speaker 1: to the other high volume guys, he's kind of average.
Speaker 1: So among the thirty players in the league to log
Speaker 1: at least three hundred spot up reps, he came in
Speaker 1: at eighteenth. But again, everybody on that list is an
Speaker 1: excellent shooter, because those are the guys that are getting
Speaker 1: the most reps. But he's a good, high volume spot
Speaker 1: up player who can knock down shots off the bounce
Speaker 1: and is a good defensive player. Cheddy Osman is a
Speaker 1: decent bench wing that they brought in. Good spot at
Speaker 1: player as well, right around the same level of efficiency,
Speaker 1: but on lower volume. Can make some plays off the bounds.
Speaker 1: A good smart player that knows how to read a
Speaker 1: defense and can attack close outs and make that next
Speaker 1: play to compromise the defense. But he's not a good
Speaker 1: athlete and can be targeted on the defensive end of
Speaker 1: the floor. We saw a lot of that in the
Speaker 1: Knicks series with Jalen Brunson targeting him in switches right.
Speaker 1: But last, not least, they drafted Victor wembin Yama, the
Speaker 1: best NBA draft prospect since Lebron James. Now, in a
Speaker 1: big picture, there's a lot that Victor Wembenyam is capable
Speaker 1: of in the long run that we're not going to
Speaker 1: talk about today for the purpose of this particular video.
Speaker 1: In this list, I want to focus on this upcoming season.
Speaker 1: I did talk a lot about Victor Wembinyam in the
Speaker 1: long run and his overall career potential in an earlier
Speaker 1: video this summer that you guys can find back on
Speaker 1: our feeds. But I expect him to be immediately good
Speaker 1: at some specific things. Now. On the defensive end, I
Speaker 1: expect him to immediately be a very good pick and
Speaker 1: roll defender, particularly in drop coverage. I think he'll struggle
Speaker 1: a little bit with rebounding because of the lack of
Speaker 1: strength and him just getting shoved off of spots and
Speaker 1: box out situations. And I also expect him to struggle
Speaker 1: a little bit with duckins. You know, like there's gonna
Speaker 1: be guys like Jonas Valanciunas that can duck in and
Speaker 1: bury him under the basket and go up and finish.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be like, probably ten to twelve guys in
Speaker 1: the league that are gonna give him a lot of
Speaker 1: problems on a nightly basis with post position. But in
Speaker 1: terms of pick and roll, because of his unique ability
Speaker 1: to contest pull up jump shooters without having to go
Speaker 1: out very far, because of his ridiculous length, he has
Speaker 1: the ability to kind of protect the paint and dissuade
Speaker 1: pull up jump shooters, And I think that's gonna immediately
Speaker 1: make him a very very good pick and roll defensive player.
Speaker 1: That right there, because most NBA teams run pick and
Speaker 1: roll as their primary form of offense. That right there
Speaker 1: is going to be a significant foundational piece for the
Speaker 1: Spurs to improve defensively. Now on offense, and we're going
Speaker 1: to talk more details about this here in a little bit,
Speaker 1: but I expect him to use him in two different ways,
Speaker 1: primarily as a ball screener and then as a focal
Speaker 1: point out of the post in high posts, which we'll
Speaker 1: talk about later. In ball screen situations, I expect him
Speaker 1: to succeed right away. I expect him to come in
Speaker 1: and be a very good pick and pop threat, potentially
Speaker 1: a good pick and roll threat. Will see how it
Speaker 1: goes with their spacing, especially with Jeremy Sochan on the floor.
Speaker 1: But in pick and pop situations, I expect him to
Speaker 1: succeed right away. In the static situations where they use
Speaker 1: him in the post and high posts, I expect him
Speaker 1: to struggle, why because most young players struggle when the
Speaker 1: basketball is in their hands against the set defense and
Speaker 1: they're expected to make decisions. But right away, him being
Speaker 1: a good ball screener and a good pick and roll
Speaker 1: defender just overnight gives the Spurs a great fulcrum on
Speaker 1: both ends of the floor to build around, and I
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Speaker 1: as of right now. At the guard position, Devonte Graham,
Speaker 1: Reggie Bullock, Trey Jones, Devin Vassell and Malachi Branham. The
Speaker 1: forwards Keldon Johnson, Doug McDermott, Chety Osman, Jeremy Sojian and
Speaker 1: Julian Champagne. Now those are not in any particular order.
Speaker 1: It's just I'm listing all the players at those positions
Speaker 1: and their big Victor Webbinyama, Zach Collins and Kem Birch.
Speaker 1: My guess is their starting lineup will be Trey Jones
Speaker 1: at point, Devin Vassel at the two, Keldon Johnson at
Speaker 1: the three, Jeremy so Jan at the four in Victor
Speaker 1: Webbinyam at the five. Now, if Pop wanted to get
Speaker 1: creative and he wanted to find a way to fit
Speaker 1: a veteran presence in there, I think the obvious solution
Speaker 1: is you take Devin Vassell out and you put in
Speaker 1: Reggie Bullock. That gives you a really good lock and
Speaker 1: trail defender next to a really good point of attack defender,
Speaker 1: which is like literally the ideal configuration for a backcourt defensively,
Speaker 1: especially when you have a really good rim protector. Also,
Speaker 1: Devin Vessel is kind of like a high volume pull
Speaker 1: up jump shooting guy, right, So getting a guy who's
Speaker 1: comfortable playing off the ball that you don't have to
Speaker 1: run things forward that can be effective in spot up situations,
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of value there. The downside
Speaker 1: is Devin Vessel is one of the most exciting young
Speaker 1: players and he needs to get reps with Victor and
Speaker 1: so I don't expect them to go that route. I
Speaker 1: think they'll stick with Trey Jones, Devin Vessel, Keldon Johnson,
Speaker 1: Jeremy Sochan and Victor wembin Yama. But don't be surprised
Speaker 1: if in big late game situations, if they sit one
Speaker 1: of Devin Vassell, TREYE. Jones and Kelden Johnson and put
Speaker 1: in Reggie Bulock is just more of a savvy veteran
Speaker 1: player to help them win in late game situations. Now,
Speaker 1: on offense, the Spurs just like every other team, and
Speaker 1: this is to be clear, when we're talking about offensive
Speaker 1: sets in this series, it's always a lot more complicated
Speaker 1: than I can ever tell you guys in thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: If you guys thought that I could sit here and
Speaker 1: break down an entire team's offense in thirty minutes, then
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell they'd be doing in
Speaker 1: training camp for the next month. Right. Obviously, every team
Speaker 1: has dozens of looks that they'll come out in and
Speaker 1: dozens of actions that they'll run out of every single
Speaker 1: one of those looks, and we're not gonna go into
Speaker 1: all of that. It's impossible, and quite frankly, unless I
Speaker 1: literally had their playbook, I wouldn't be able to do so.
Speaker 1: But what we can do is talk about offensive principles.
Speaker 1: And so there are two main offensive principles that I
Speaker 1: want to discuss with San Antonio today, and it's their
Speaker 1: ball screen attack, and when I expect them to add
Speaker 1: for Victor wembin Yama something they used to use with
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan in the past, which is an offense built
Speaker 1: around a really good post up high post up player
Speaker 1: that can make decisions turning and facing the defense. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about both of those, but let's start
Speaker 1: with ball screens. So I expect Victor to roll to
Speaker 1: the rim plenty. He shot over seventy percent at the
Speaker 1: rim last year. Really good hands, catches everything and finishes quickly.
Speaker 1: At the rim. He does this thing where like if
Speaker 1: you just throw it up in the general direction of
Speaker 1: the rim, even if he can't catch a lob, he'll
Speaker 1: kind of just catch it up, catch it up high,
Speaker 1: and then guide it into the rim. He never has
Speaker 1: to bring a ball down because of how tal he is.
Speaker 1: So I do think he'll be successful as a rollman.
Speaker 1: But I expect Greg Popovich to utilize the pick and
Speaker 1: pop quite a bit with Victor wembin Yama for two reasons.
Speaker 1: First of all, I do think this teams are going
Speaker 1: to be able to guard the Spurs pick and roll
Speaker 1: three on two. Why because Jeremy Soshan is a non
Speaker 1: shooter right now, and so they're likely going to tuck
Speaker 1: him in the weakside corner in the dunker spot in
Speaker 1: most of these static situations, and that defender is going
Speaker 1: to be able to tag Victor wembin Yama on the roll.
Speaker 1: And then it's also an injury risk thing. You're asking
Speaker 1: Victor on these rolls to the rim to be looking
Speaker 1: back at the ball handler to see the ball come in,
Speaker 1: and he's rolling downhill into traffic, which is always dangerous,
Speaker 1: especially with big guys and some of the issues that
Speaker 1: they have with their feet. I like the idea of
Speaker 1: a pick and pop because, first of all, it's one
Speaker 1: of the hardest things in basketball to guard. Teams want
Speaker 1: to run drop coverage, right, so they want their screen
Speaker 1: defender to back up and keep the rollman in front
Speaker 1: of him and the ball handler in front of him
Speaker 1: so that he can protect the rim. That's the whole
Speaker 1: purpose of drop coverage, just to keep your rim protector
Speaker 1: at the rim as often as possible. But in that situation,
Speaker 1: if the screener is rolling to the basket, then both
Speaker 1: the roller and the ball handler are coming at the
Speaker 1: rim protector, and so he has the ability to kind
Speaker 1: of play the middle ground and guard both. That's why
Speaker 1: they call it no roller behind coverage. You're basically staying
Speaker 1: behind the ball and behind the roller at all times.
Speaker 1: But what if that roller doesn't roll and he pops
Speaker 1: to the three point line instead. Now, if my guard
Speaker 1: chases over the top of the screen and the guard
Speaker 1: is coming downhill, me as the screen defender, I have
Speaker 1: to stay back to contain that ball handler, which is
Speaker 1: going to leave the pick and pop big wide open.
Speaker 1: And that's why pick and pop bigs are so valuable
Speaker 1: in the NBA. They pop to the top of the
Speaker 1: key and they can either knock down wide open shots
Speaker 1: or they can attack a close out. Because now let's
Speaker 1: say I'm the screen defender and I'm guarding the guard
Speaker 1: coming downhill as he makes that kickout pass, I now
Speaker 1: have to recover out to the three point line or
Speaker 1: they've got to rotate from the wing, which is going
Speaker 1: to leave a wide open shooter. Right. So it's just
Speaker 1: really really difficult to guard with your traditional coverages. Now,
Speaker 1: one of the important things there is you have to
Speaker 1: be able to shoot, and Victor did not shoot particularly well.
Speaker 1: Last year. We saw the G League Knight showcase when
Speaker 1: he played against Scoot Henderson and he shot the shit
Speaker 1: out of the basketball. And that's the capability in the
Speaker 1: long run. I expect Victor wemben Yama to become a
Speaker 1: very good NBA shooter in the long run. But last
Speaker 1: year he was just fifty five for two hundred and
Speaker 1: nine on threes, that's twenty six percent. He was just
Speaker 1: thirty two percent on all jump shots. So as of
Speaker 1: right now, it's more potential than reality when it comes
Speaker 1: to Victor Wombenyama as a jump shooter. But he was
Speaker 1: solid when he was open. He was thirty seven percent
Speaker 1: on unguarded catch and shoot jump shots fifty one percent
Speaker 1: when we wait that for threes, and what I've seen
Speaker 1: on film is when he gets his feet set and
Speaker 1: he can get into his muscle memory, he's a good shooter.
Speaker 1: But if you can disrupt that energy transfer at all,
Speaker 1: if you can disrupt his rhythm at the shot, he's
Speaker 1: probably going to miss. That's something I think he can
Speaker 1: rectify in the long run in a few years. But
Speaker 1: for this particular season, I don't expect him to shoot
Speaker 1: well unless he's wide open. What I do think he's
Speaker 1: gonna have some success is he can put the ball
Speaker 1: on the floor and make plays off the bounce already
Speaker 1: better than most bigs in the NBA, and so him
Speaker 1: popping to the top of the key is going to
Speaker 1: buy him close out situations. He's either gonna have a
Speaker 1: big man closing out on him from underneath the basket
Speaker 1: or a wing defender closing out on him from a
Speaker 1: shooter on the weak side. From there, I trust Victor
Speaker 1: woman Yama to consistently make good decisions. If they don't
Speaker 1: close out, that's your standstill, static, unguarded catch and shoo
Speaker 1: jump shot that he should be able to make right
Speaker 1: around thirty seven thirty eight percent of the time, which
Speaker 1: is really good. Right If they do close out from
Speaker 1: the wing, he's gonna be able to make that quick
Speaker 1: pass to the shooter. If they close out from underneath
Speaker 1: the basket, it's a slow footed big that he's gonna
Speaker 1: be able to rip through and make decisions driving to
Speaker 1: the basket. And so the pick and pop, I think
Speaker 1: is going to be a really really interesting way in
Speaker 1: for this Spurs team because of the fact that Victor
Speaker 1: Webbin Yama is so much more skilled than other bigs.
Speaker 1: It is baked in flaw and NBA pick and roll coverages.
Speaker 1: They basically concede pick and pops, and in that situation,
Speaker 1: he'll not have to attack a set defense. He'll be
Speaker 1: able to attack when the defense is compromised, when someone's
Speaker 1: closing out at him, which I expect a young player
Speaker 1: to have success with right away. So lots of ball
Speaker 1: screens and lots of pick and pops in this particular situation.
Speaker 1: But as we know, every team in the NBA runs
Speaker 1: a lot of ball screens. It's not exactly a super
Speaker 1: bold take, but when you have a very, very skilled
Speaker 1: big man, you open up the potential for different types
Speaker 1: of offensive approaches, like what we saw out at Denver
Speaker 1: this year. Right what happens when you build your offense
Speaker 1: around the big man is a focal point in the post,
Speaker 1: in the high post. We've already seen this with Greg
Speaker 1: Popovich and Tim Duncan, and so I want to kind
Speaker 1: of dive into that concept right now for a little bit.
Speaker 1: So to be clear up front, I don't expect Victor
Speaker 1: to be particularly good at this right away. Why because
Speaker 1: every young basketball player that gets into the NBA in
Speaker 1: static shot creation situations tends to struggle. Why there's a
Speaker 1: big uptick in athleticism, a big uptick in overall defensive IQ.
Speaker 1: The coaching staffs are smarter, the overall talent's just off
Speaker 1: the charts, right, So it's just harder. But also you're young,
Speaker 1: You're adjusting to the speed of the game. It's just
Speaker 1: a learning curve in these situations, even for someone like
Speaker 1: Victor who's basically been playing professional basketball for the last
Speaker 1: several years. So why is building an offense around a
Speaker 1: post player valuable? It starts with permanently attaching the rim
Speaker 1: protector to your post player, which pulls him further away
Speaker 1: from the basket. So what I want to do to
Speaker 1: demonstrate this concept is kind of just talk through a
Speaker 1: high post touch with you guys to kind of show
Speaker 1: you what I'm talking about. So, if I have a
Speaker 1: non offensive folkrum center, let's just say Nick Claxton with
Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Nets, right, and I am guarding Nick Claxton
Speaker 1: as a rim protector, I don't necess necessarily have to
Speaker 1: account for him anywhere except for at the rim, right,
Speaker 1: I need to watch him on rollman possessions and be
Speaker 1: far back enough that I can contest the lob pass
Speaker 1: or bother it before it gets there. That's really the
Speaker 1: one thing I have to worry about with Nick Claxon.
Speaker 1: What does that mean? That means me at the rim
Speaker 1: protect As the rim protector, I get to stay at
Speaker 1: the rim a lot, especially if I have a guard
Speaker 1: that can chase over the screen to dissuade pull up shooters. Right,
Speaker 1: that's the advantage. Now, let's say I'm guarding Nikole Jokic
Speaker 1: or any other offensive Fulkrim at the center position. He's
Speaker 1: probably going to have the ball a lot, and he's
Speaker 1: probably going to have it in that fifteen feet to
Speaker 1: eighteen feet away from the rim area a lot, and
Speaker 1: I have to guard him there. So now, for the
Speaker 1: vast majority of these offensive possessions, I'm not at the rim.
Speaker 1: I am pressed up on Nikola Jokic trying to stop
Speaker 1: him from scoring. So let's kind of envision the spurs
Speaker 1: for a second. Let's envision a four out one in set. Right,
Speaker 1: Victor Webbin Yama is trying to post up, let's say,
Speaker 1: on the right elbow extended, so about seventeen eighteen feet
Speaker 1: from the basket, a little bit outside of the elbow
Speaker 1: on the right side of the floor. I've got Jeremy Soshannon,
Speaker 1: the weak corner, weekside corner. I've got a shooter on
Speaker 1: the left wing, I've got a shooter at the top
Speaker 1: of the key, and I've got a guy on the
Speaker 1: right wing who makes the entry pass to the post.
Speaker 1: When Victor catches there. What's going on with the rim
Speaker 1: protector he's up on Victor? Why does that matter? Now?
Speaker 1: All of those cuts, the back door cuts and anything
Speaker 1: involving those perimeter players, if they get beat, there is
Speaker 1: no help. Now. This is literally what the Spurs cut was.
Speaker 1: This is what the Spurs did to everybody. They dump
Speaker 1: it to Tim Duncan at the elbow or at the
Speaker 1: post on the block right, and then Tony Parker, after
Speaker 1: he'd make that pass, would just cut off of Tim
Speaker 1: Duncan and he'd kind of pivot and turn his body
Speaker 1: as the defender was coming by, so he'd run into him,
Speaker 1: and then he'd throw that little pass over the top.
Speaker 1: We talked about this when we talked about Tim Duncan.
Speaker 1: If the ball is at the high post and the
Speaker 1: entry passes on the wing and the on ball defenders
Speaker 1: between them, all he has to do is run off
Speaker 1: of Duncan and this defender is going to run into Duncan,
Speaker 1: and that is where Duncan pivots and drops it off
Speaker 1: over the top. And we see this with the Nuggets
Speaker 1: in a bunch of different ways. Right, we see Jamal
Speaker 1: Murray and those fake dribble handoffs and Yokic's thrown over
Speaker 1: the top basically the spurs cut. But we'll also see
Speaker 1: like a slot cut. Right, Like we'll see Kentavious Cablo
Speaker 1: Pope on the weak side wing as his defender is
Speaker 1: kind of down at the nail and help caseyp will
Speaker 1: cut back door and Yokics will hit him on the
Speaker 1: cut or that weak side corner cut or the dunker
Speaker 1: spot cut. Right, So like we're talking Aaron Gordon, Aaron
Speaker 1: Gordon either in the weak side corner or out of
Speaker 1: the dunker spot. If Jokic turns and faces in Aaron
Speaker 1: Gordon's man as the low man comes over to help
Speaker 1: on the spurs cut or some other cut, Aaron Gordon
Speaker 1: is open and Nicole Jokicic can hit that there. Why
Speaker 1: does that work? Because the rimp detector is guarding Nikola
Speaker 1: Jokic and not at the rim to help in these
Speaker 1: backcut situations. And so as the ball makes its way
Speaker 1: to Victor Wenbinyama at the high post or the low
Speaker 1: post because the rim protector is occupied. It opens up
Speaker 1: everything for cutters on the backside. But it only works
Speaker 1: if you have a guy that's a threat there. He
Speaker 1: has to be a threat to shoot, so that the
Speaker 1: defensive player has to be there on the catch, and
Speaker 1: he has to be a player that you can trust
Speaker 1: to make the right play to make to read the defense,
Speaker 1: identify where the opening is and make that pass to
Speaker 1: the cutter or the shooter as they are open. And
Speaker 1: you know, I actually think that this is something that
Speaker 1: Victor Wenbinyama can be really good at in the long
Speaker 1: run because he's so damn tall that when he pivots
Speaker 1: and looks over the top of the defense, he can
Speaker 1: see everything and make those passes. But I do think
Speaker 1: there's going to be a learning curve as he kind
Speaker 1: of figures out how to read the defense. Also look
Speaker 1: for a lot of NBA forwards and centers to ball
Speaker 1: pressure the hell out of him and to make him
Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable in that spot. Also, Jeremy so as a
Speaker 1: non shooter right now, kind of leaves you an opening
Speaker 1: there for somebody that you don't have to guard, So
Speaker 1: it'll be important for Jimmy Soshan to kind of develop
Speaker 1: that Aaron Gordon esque cutting and finishing ability, or the
Speaker 1: ability to consistently knock down a corner three, which he's
Speaker 1: not capable of right now. But I really like the
Speaker 1: idea of the Spurs running a lot of more offense
Speaker 1: out of Victor wembin Yama in the long run, out
Speaker 1: of the high post and low post because of their
Speaker 1: ability to open up things on the backside. As a result,
Speaker 1: most teams have an excellent set defense. If you allow
Speaker 1: them to run their traditional drop coverage, if you allow
Speaker 1: them to load up the paint and shell drill, you're
Speaker 1: going to struggle to score in a lot of situations.
Speaker 1: But if you invert things by pulling their rim protector
Speaker 1: away and actually forcing their ability to contain on the
Speaker 1: perimeter to matter, because if they get beat, they'll actually
Speaker 1: give up a lay up. Right Like if KCP backcuts
Speaker 1: you and Anthony Davis is just waiting under the rim
Speaker 1: because he doesn't have to worry about Nick Claxton esque
Speaker 1: type of non skilled big on the perimeter, He's going
Speaker 1: to be able to that stuff up. But the if
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis is glued up to Victor Wenbinyama, and you
Speaker 1: know your two guard cuts back door in this case
Speaker 1: Devin Vessel, that's where you have those openings at the rim.
Speaker 1: So before we go any further, I want to talk
Speaker 1: before we go to the defensive n I want to
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about their ball handlers. So obviously
Speaker 1: the three we're talking about Victor Wembinyama as a fulcrum
Speaker 1: in pick and pop and also out of the high post.
Speaker 1: But I want to talk about I want to talk
Speaker 1: about their ball handling because they've got three guys that
Speaker 1: are gonna get a lot of pick and roll reps
Speaker 1: this year, Trey Jones, Devin Vessel and Keldon Johnson. Again,
Speaker 1: like I expect them to mix in a lot of
Speaker 1: high post stuff. With Victor, I expect him to turn
Speaker 1: and face and look to score when the cutters aren't open.
Speaker 1: But that's not gonna be a thing. They're gonna be
Speaker 1: able to do all the time. They're gonna run a
Speaker 1: ton of pick and roll and they're gonna identify which
Speaker 1: one of these guards, which one of these perimeter players
Speaker 1: is capable of being a co star. So to speak,
Speaker 1: with Victor Wenbinyama, in the long run, So we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about all three of them for just a few minutes.
Speaker 1: So Trey Jones, I love his overall fit with Victor
Speaker 1: women Yama because he's an excellent passer and he's a
Speaker 1: very very good point of attack defender, which always compliments
Speaker 1: drop coverage bigs Well. We talked about this all the time,
Speaker 1: but drop coverage has a gaping flaw, and that's if
Speaker 1: you are a good pull up shooter and you can
Speaker 1: get to those shots. It pull the big dropping to
Speaker 1: the basket doesn't do you any good because they're just
Speaker 1: gonna knock down fifteen footers and floaters all game long.
Speaker 1: But drop coverage actually is impervious to everything when executed properly.
Speaker 1: If the guard does his job and chases over the
Speaker 1: top of the screen and takes away the pull up
Speaker 1: jump shot and takes away the floater, he will funnel
Speaker 1: the guard into your rim protection. So that's where Trey
Speaker 1: Jones being a very good point of attack defender compliments
Speaker 1: Victor wemben Yama very well. He's very good at navigating screens.
Speaker 1: If he can get over the top of the screen
Speaker 1: and dissuade that pull up jump shot and forced guys
Speaker 1: to drive downhill. They're going to struggle to finish over
Speaker 1: Victor wenbin Yama throughout the season. The biggest question for
Speaker 1: Trey Jones will be will he be able to be
Speaker 1: enough of a threat to score in pick and roll.
Speaker 1: It's pretty good getting downhill. He's a good athlete for
Speaker 1: forty five percent on runners, which is solid. Two point
Speaker 1: three makes per game in the restricted area on sixty
Speaker 1: two percent, which is solid. So when he gets closer
Speaker 1: to the rim, he's good, But only thirty eight percent
Speaker 1: in effective field goal percentage on pull up jump shots.
Speaker 1: Not a very good pull up jump shooter. And that's
Speaker 1: important for two reasons. Like we talked about, that's what
Speaker 1: forces the guard to chase over the top right defensively,
Speaker 1: otherwise they can duck underpicks, which can cause all sorts
Speaker 1: of problems. But the second part of it is pulling
Speaker 1: the rim protector out. So against teams that don't have
Speaker 1: great point of attack defense, he's gonna get separation as
Speaker 1: he comes off of screens. If he can't reliably knock
Speaker 1: down that mid range jump shot, the big man won't
Speaker 1: have to come out. If the big man doesn't have
Speaker 1: to come out and show on those pull up jump shots.
Speaker 1: Then you're not gonna have the openings on the backside
Speaker 1: as the passer for Victor wembin Yama to roll to
Speaker 1: the rim. So it's very very important for Trey Jones
Speaker 1: to improve as a pull up jump shooter this season.
Speaker 1: Devin Vessell, it's a totally different type of vibe. Very
Speaker 1: very good pull up jump shooter. Only played in thirty
Speaker 1: eight games last year, but he did take a big
Speaker 1: leap nineteen points per game on fifty five percent for shooting.
Speaker 1: Very good pick and roll ball handler. I'll be it
Speaker 1: in low volume, three hundred and forty six pick and
Speaker 1: rolls leading to three hundred and seventy seven points. That's
Speaker 1: one point zero nine points per possession, which is in
Speaker 1: the eighty sixth percentile, driven by two things. Very very
Speaker 1: good at knocking down shots and pick and roll. He
Speaker 1: shot fifty five percent in effective field goal percentage overall
Speaker 1: on shots and pick and roll, and he also made
Speaker 1: one hundred and six pull up jumpers last season at
Speaker 1: a forty five percent effective field goal percentage, which is
Speaker 1: really good, especially for a young player. Obviously, when he's
Speaker 1: in his prime, you hope he's closer to forty eight
Speaker 1: fifty percent, but for a young guard, forty five percent
Speaker 1: is outstanding. Very good passer and pick and roll as well.
Speaker 1: I was really impressed this morning watching Devin Vessel. He's
Speaker 1: got good size, and he's got this bad habit of
Speaker 1: leaving his feet in pick and roll to pass, but
Speaker 1: he's got a really good overhand two hand overhead two
Speaker 1: hand pass that he can get across the court to
Speaker 1: the weak side corner, and that he can turn in
Speaker 1: kind of like Pierre wet In mid air and get
Speaker 1: back to the pick and pop big, which will be
Speaker 1: important obviously with Victor Weibin. Yeah, we did a lot
Speaker 1: of that with like Zach Collins last year. So his
Speaker 1: ability to make those strong two handed overhead passes, that
Speaker 1: is what reverses the defense and generates close out situations.
Speaker 1: So the Spurs scored really well when Devin Fassel passed
Speaker 1: had a pick and roll last year. And again that
Speaker 1: the height is the big thing there. Just being a
Speaker 1: good athlete and being tall helps a lot. Keldon Johnson
Speaker 1: career high twenty two points per game last year, his
Speaker 1: efficiency did dip a little bit. He at a career
Speaker 1: low fifty five percent for shooting. But again, you gotta
Speaker 1: remember bad team. This was the highest usage guy on
Speaker 1: a bad team, so he's the guy who has to
Speaker 1: take the bad shots at the end of the shot
Speaker 1: clock every time. So I want to cut him a
Speaker 1: little bit of slack there. Big thing that hurt him
Speaker 1: overall in efficiency last year was his jump shot. He
Speaker 1: was just thirty three percent overall on jump shots, just
Speaker 1: twenty nine percent on pull up jump shots. Shot pretty
Speaker 1: well over fifty percent effective figal percentage in unguarded catch
Speaker 1: and shoot situations, but not very good in any sort
Speaker 1: of you know, rushed situation or off the dribble situation.
Speaker 1: He does get to the rim a ton and finishes
Speaker 1: well there, zero point nine to two points per possession
Speaker 1: on four hundred and seventy nine pick and rolls, which
Speaker 1: is below average. Big thing I saw on tape a
Speaker 1: little bit of tunnel vision tends to force things a
Speaker 1: little bit. And then not a very good jump shooter.
Speaker 1: But again I want to clarify, he was the high
Speaker 1: volume guy on a bad team, and that's always going
Speaker 1: to lead to efficiency issues. But Victor wenbin Yama, for
Speaker 1: all three of those guys, should make things easier because
Speaker 1: he just has to be a tent, like the defense
Speaker 1: has to devote so much more attention to him than
Speaker 1: they would to a Zat Collins or even Yaka Perle
Speaker 1: in a pop situation, right, and so having like a
Speaker 1: legitimate perimeter threat that can put the ball on the
Speaker 1: floor and is capable of getting red hot, that's just
Speaker 1: gonna change the way teams are gonna have to guard
Speaker 1: and pick and roll, which'll make things easier on all
Speaker 1: three of those guys on defense. I expect the Spurs
Speaker 1: to be pretty good right away. We talked about Victor
Speaker 1: and drop coverage. Jeremy Sosham. We haven't talked a ton
Speaker 1: about him today, but he's one of the most exciting
Speaker 1: young defensive forwards in the league. So I love the
Speaker 1: idea of having him next to Victor. Next to Victor Wenbinyama,
Speaker 1: Trey jonesbviously outstanding point of attack defender, like we talked
Speaker 1: Reggie Bullock in spot situations when they use him because
Speaker 1: of his abilities as a lock and trail defender, I
Speaker 1: think he makes a lot of sense after next to Victor.
Speaker 1: The big question is going to be can they get
Speaker 1: Devin Vessel and Kelden Johnson to really commit on that
Speaker 1: end to a way that they haven't in the past,
Speaker 1: and if they do, I think they can be really
Speaker 1: good right away. Now what does that mean. I expect
Speaker 1: the Spurs to finish around fifteenth fifteenth and defensive rating,
Speaker 1: and if Victor Wembinyama stay's healthy, I think it could
Speaker 1: be potentially closer to ten. But I expect him, probably
Speaker 1: like most big guys, to miss twenty twenty five games,
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting around Spurs finishing fifteenth in defensive rating.
Speaker 1: Overall predictions for the season, I put him about twenty
Speaker 1: fifth Offensively in that range, I think they'll be a
Speaker 1: team that when they look good, looks great. But just
Speaker 1: like any other young team, they're going to be inconsistent
Speaker 1: with their decision making and shot making and struggle a
Speaker 1: little bit compared to other NBA offenses. But if you're
Speaker 1: about the fifteenth best offense or defense and about the
Speaker 1: twenty fifth best offense, you can be close to five hundred.
Speaker 1: I expect the Spurs to win about thirty five games
Speaker 1: this year if Victor can play over seventy games, and
Speaker 1: around thirty games. If he plays around sixty games, that's
Speaker 1: where I expect the Spurs to finish. That gives him
Speaker 1: an outside chance to make the play in tournament if
Speaker 1: things go really well. So again, not the twentieth best
Speaker 1: team in the league, probably closer to the twenty fourth
Speaker 1: twenty fifth, but really really interesting in a team that
Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to covering this year, and a
Speaker 1: team that's going to be really fun to watch on
Speaker 1: NBA League Pass. All right, two mail back questions before
Speaker 1: we get out of here. First from Tamas, what was
Speaker 1: the hardest skill as a basketball player for you to learn?
Speaker 1: So this was a really good question. He provided a
Speaker 1: couple examples. He said, shooting off the dribble, with certain
Speaker 1: ball handles, defensive IQ, et cetera. So I think, by
Speaker 1: far the hardest thing for me to learn in my
Speaker 1: skill development was pull up shooting. And so essentially, like
Speaker 1: ball handling is an incremental process, you work really, really
Speaker 1: really hard to make small improvements. You know, overall, jump
Speaker 1: shooting is really hard to develop because again you have
Speaker 1: to make thousands and thousands and thousands of shots to
Speaker 1: see small bits of improvement. But the reason why pull
Speaker 1: up shooting I think is the hardest is it's literally
Speaker 1: both combined. So there is an energy transfer that takes
Speaker 1: place from the dribble combination into the footwork, into your
Speaker 1: gather up into the shot, and there's just so many
Speaker 1: places for it to go wrong. If your feet get
Speaker 1: messed up, energy transfer gets messed up. If you mishandle
Speaker 1: the basketball a little bit, everything gets messed up. If
Speaker 1: you put the ball in your shooting pocket and instead
Speaker 1: of your hands being like this, they're like a tiny
Speaker 1: bit off center, Like your left hand is a little
Speaker 1: too wrapped around the back of the ball or a
Speaker 1: little too wrapped around the front of the ball, or
Speaker 1: your fingers don't get quite perfect. Out of the dribble combination,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the jump shot gets messed up. Right,
Speaker 1: So there's a bunch of stuff that has to fall
Speaker 1: in line for a pull up jump shot to look
Speaker 1: and feel good and to have a chance to go in.
Speaker 1: And like, I have worked relentlessly over the last like
Speaker 1: ten years to build out a pull up jump shot,
Speaker 1: and I feel good about where I'm pull up jumpsout
Speaker 1: is now, But it definitely was the slowest progress out
Speaker 1: of any specific skill thing I worked on strictly because
Speaker 1: of all the moving parts involved and specific drills i'd
Speaker 1: use for pull up jump shooting. So I actually I
Speaker 1: had another mail back question a few days ago that
Speaker 1: I didn't actually go over on the show, but it
Speaker 1: was asking just basic drills to work on to improve
Speaker 1: in some of your baseline basketball skill set. And I
Speaker 1: actually have a set of drills that I do every
Speaker 1: single day. I literally do it as a warm up
Speaker 1: before I play pickup, and then I play pickup probably
Speaker 1: four days a week, and then I'll have the other
Speaker 1: three days I'll go to the gym and do my
Speaker 1: shooting workout. I try to play seven days a week
Speaker 1: if I can, and then have one or two days
Speaker 1: which are lighter. But every once in a while I
Speaker 1: have a social event or something that comes up that
Speaker 1: forces me to take a day off. But I tend
Speaker 1: to think that a day off should just be a
Speaker 1: very light day. That's kind of the way that I
Speaker 1: look at it. But the shooting drill that I do
Speaker 1: almost every single day, drills that I do almost every
Speaker 1: single day. I start with the ball handling warm up drill,
Speaker 1: which essentially as I start on the right side at
Speaker 1: half court and I dribble down and I do a
Speaker 1: hard game speed in and out crossover to my left hand,
Speaker 1: then in and out crossover back to my right hand,
Speaker 1: then back and forth again, so there's four total in
Speaker 1: and out crossovers. I finish in my right hand and
Speaker 1: I explode to the basket and I finish. Then on
Speaker 1: the right left side of the floor, I go to
Speaker 1: the left side at half court, do the exact same thing,
Speaker 1: hard in and out dribble, starting with my left hand
Speaker 1: four times. Ball finishes in my left hand, hard drive,
Speaker 1: and finish with my left hand. Then I go back
Speaker 1: to the right side. Same thing. Four in and out crossovers,
Speaker 1: except for on the fourth one, when the ball finishes
Speaker 1: in my right hand, I'm taking a pull up jump
Speaker 1: shot off of that crossover out of my right hand,
Speaker 1: shooting pocket right. Then I go to the left side,
Speaker 1: pull up jump shot on the left side, so in
Speaker 1: and out crossovers, lay up, lay up, pull up, pull
Speaker 1: up right. Then I go to in and out between
Speaker 1: the legs, same thing, lay up, lay up, pull up,
Speaker 1: pull up. Then I go to in and out behind
Speaker 1: the back, same thing, lay up, lay up, pull up,
Speaker 1: pull up, every time doing the move four times before
Speaker 1: I go into that shot. So that's my ball handling
Speaker 1: warm up then I go into a pull up shooting drill.
Speaker 1: And so what I do is I roll the ball
Speaker 1: out to myself about thirty five feet from the basket,
Speaker 1: and I catch in a hop step facing away from
Speaker 1: the basket. Then I reverse pivot and I rip through
Speaker 1: to the right with my left foot is my pivot foot.
Speaker 1: When I get there, I make a counter move off
Speaker 1: the bounce, usually like an in and out behind the
Speaker 1: back in and out crossover spin move something along those lines.
Speaker 1: Counter move back towards the top of the key, and
Speaker 1: I'm taking a left handed gather pull up jump shot
Speaker 1: out of that move. Then I flip the ball back
Speaker 1: out to myself, reverse pivot to the left, rip to
Speaker 1: the left, counter move back to the right, right handed
Speaker 1: shooting pocket pull up jump shot. I'm gonna do that
Speaker 1: until i make five going both ways, So right and counter,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna keep going until I make it. Then
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go left to keep going to I make it. Hopefully,
Speaker 1: if I'm in good rhythm, I'm making more than i'm missing.
Speaker 1: But I'm going to get through that until I've made
Speaker 1: five going both ways. Then I'm going to do a
Speaker 1: deeper pull up three. So same thing reverse pivot rip through,
Speaker 1: except for instead of a counter move, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: do a hard one two into a pull up from
Speaker 1: twenty five feet or so. So that's gonna be. If
Speaker 1: I rip through to the right, i want to plant
Speaker 1: my left foot first, then my right foot and elevate.
Speaker 1: If I'm ripping through to the left, I'm planning my
Speaker 1: right foot first, then my left foot and I elevate.
Speaker 1: Same thing. Do it until I make five going both ways.
Speaker 1: Then the final shooting drill I'll do before I uh,
Speaker 1: before I start playing usually is just movement shooting. So
Speaker 1: I'll start on like let's say, thirty feet away from
Speaker 1: the basket on the left side, and I'll roll the
Speaker 1: ball out or like like throw it with spin towards
Speaker 1: the top of the key, and I'm going to run
Speaker 1: at full speed to the ball, catch left, right, rise
Speaker 1: up and shoot. Then I'm gonna go to the right side,
Speaker 1: roll it out right left, shoot just on the catch.
Speaker 1: So all I'm doing is catching and turning and pivoting
Speaker 1: and rising up and shooting. That's the kind of footwork
Speaker 1: you need to shoot when you come lying off of
Speaker 1: a screen or in any sort of movement situation. And
Speaker 1: the key with any of that is you get out
Speaker 1: what you put into it. If you go to the
Speaker 1: gym and you're messing around and you're doing your in
Speaker 1: and out crossovers, it's never gonna accomplish anything. I have
Speaker 1: to tell this to my young players all the time, because,
Speaker 1: like they'll shoot in these drills and they'll be messing around,
Speaker 1: and then we'll start playing five on five and all
Speaker 1: of them can't make a shot or can't finish at
Speaker 1: the rim, And I tell them it's like it's because
Speaker 1: you're practicing at some slow speed, and then you get
Speaker 1: into a game and the intensity raises and the physicality raises,
Speaker 1: and suddenly you start missing shots. You've got to practice
Speaker 1: as close to game speed as possible. That makes it
Speaker 1: so there's less of a transition as you go into
Speaker 1: a live situation, which gives you a better chance of succeeding. Now,
Speaker 1: there's a lot more that I do in terms of drills,
Speaker 1: especially on specific days when I'm not playing and I'm
Speaker 1: a rounding out skill set. I have a lot of
Speaker 1: specific stuff I do out of the post or out
Speaker 1: of pick and roll. But as a warm up, if
Speaker 1: you do those three drills, which is that ball handling shooting,
Speaker 1: the pull up shooting, and the movement shooting. If you
Speaker 1: or the ball handling warm up, then your pull up shooting,
Speaker 1: and then your movement shooting. If you do those three
Speaker 1: every single day, you will work on your standstill shot
Speaker 1: a shooting situation. You will look at work on your
Speaker 1: ball handling, your ability to gather from your ball handle
Speaker 1: into a shot, and your footwork going into every single
Speaker 1: move because they're mirror images. Right. Notice with the way
Speaker 1: I broke that drill down, the left footwork is the
Speaker 1: mirror image of the right footwork. Why is that important?
Speaker 1: Because you need to polish up all of the footwork
Speaker 1: so that you never find yourself in a situation where
Speaker 1: the shot calls for a specific footwork but you're uncomfortable
Speaker 1: with it. Whenever you're navigating a live basketball situation, you
Speaker 1: don't know where your openings are going to come and
Speaker 1: when they come, you need to have a footwork for
Speaker 1: that specific situation that you have practiced. So, for instance,
Speaker 1: if you're a pull up shooter that's only comfortable shooting
Speaker 1: off of right left out of your left hand hesitation,
Speaker 1: then you run into the problem where guys know if
Speaker 1: I send him right, he's gonna drive to the basket.
Speaker 1: If I send him left, he's gonna take a jumper.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna send him left and I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: a late contest right. Or if I have a really
Speaker 1: good rim protector, I'm gonna sit on his left hand
Speaker 1: and try to funnel him towards the rim right. But
Speaker 1: if you have it so that you know how to
Speaker 1: shoot right left left hand gather or left right right
Speaker 1: hand gather, if you have those both equally, Now, if
Speaker 1: I drive right, I'm just as much of a threat
Speaker 1: to shoot going right as I am to shoot to
Speaker 1: go shooting left. That mirror image approach is absolutely imperative.
Speaker 1: We talked about this a lot with Kobe Bryant out
Speaker 1: of the Post. Like if you're on a fade away,
Speaker 1: if you're trying to look for a fade away out
Speaker 1: of the post, and the defender doesn't have to worry
Speaker 1: about a left shoulder fade because you can't make it
Speaker 1: or you don't have the footwork for it, then he
Speaker 1: could sit on your right shoulder fade. And now your
Speaker 1: right shoulder fade, which you probably are good at, is
Speaker 1: something you're not going to make a lot because he
Speaker 1: can overly pressure that size. The mirror image is everything.
Speaker 1: Last mail back question from Wesley. I think you're a
Speaker 1: Star Wars fan. I see a Star Destroyer in the background.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on the new Ahsoka show if
Speaker 1: you've watched it? So I am a diehard Star Wars fan.
Speaker 1: I very very much have enjoyed Ahsoka so far. Rebels
Speaker 1: was incredible. Everything surrounding Grand Admiral Thron and the Ezra
Speaker 1: storyline and like that, the whole four seasons and the
Speaker 1: Soca and the Darth Vader with Thehsoka stuff at the
Speaker 1: end of season two, all of it was amazing, and
Speaker 1: this just kind of feels like a continuation of that.
Speaker 1: I think Grand Admiral Thron is one of the most
Speaker 1: interesting Star Wars characters ever. He's kind of like Sherlock Holmes,
Speaker 1: but for Star Wars right, Like he's that epic genius
Speaker 1: that can always stays one level ahead of his opponents.
Speaker 1: But he's a good guy in the books, and so
Speaker 1: I'm really really interested to see what they do with
Speaker 1: him in this particular show because he kind of was
Speaker 1: a malevolent yet respectful antagonist and Rebels and I'm really
Speaker 1: curious to see if they kind of build on that
Speaker 1: concept or if they continue what happened in the books,
Speaker 1: which is where he's more of a benevolent character. Right. Also,
Speaker 1: if you've read the Thron books, you know that Thron's
Speaker 1: only goal is to protect the Chess ascendency, and so
Speaker 1: it doesn't make a ton of sense to me that
Speaker 1: he would come back to try to revive the empire
Speaker 1: unless he has some sort of means by which to
Speaker 1: use that to protect the Chess ascendency. So I trust
Speaker 1: a Filoni. I know he's going to figure it out.
Speaker 1: I'm just really curious to see what they end up
Speaker 1: doing with Grand Admiral Thron. I do have a Star
Speaker 1: Wars podcast. You've seen this little advertisement back here. It's
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Speaker 1: in a while. You can find it on YouTube or
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Speaker 1: the Star Wars books, and kind of looking back at
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Speaker 1: before I was doing this for a living. So you guys,
Speaker 1: can find that wherever you get your podcasts, or on
Speaker 1: YouTube under two Sons Podcasts. All right, guys, that is
Speaker 1: all I have for today. I will be back tomorrow
Speaker 1: with number nineteen. As always, I appreciate you guys, and
Speaker 1: I will see you then. The volume