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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to the Drive.

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Speaker 3: I am Dale LOLLI he is the Matt Williamson. And

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Speaker 3: it is a rainy Friday, Yeah it is.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't be happier. Let's just get out of town.

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Speaker 3: Rain all weekend. No offense to anybody who's here and

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Speaker 3: has to deal with it. But Matt and I are

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Speaker 3: head into West Palm Beach and it's it's supposed to

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Speaker 3: rain there Sunday, but it's also supposed to be eighty I'd.

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Speaker 2: Like to teleport there right now do this show from there.

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Speaker 3: We could teleport. That would be a hell of a

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Speaker 3: lot better. Yeah, as opposed to the flights that we're

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Speaker 3: going to take.

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Speaker 2: Mayor work.

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Speaker 3: Anyways, So the ole miss pro Day, oh yeah, took

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Speaker 3: place and Andy Weidel was there taking a look at

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Speaker 3: Here's here's the thing about it. Andy Widell was on

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Speaker 3: hand looking at Jackson Dart. Maybe he was checking out

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Speaker 3: Walter Nolan as well.

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Speaker 2: In the receiver in the corner. And they're loaded, right,

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Speaker 2: they're loaded. You're crazy if you're not there I mean,

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Speaker 2: you have to have some representation at Ole Miss right now.

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Speaker 2: It's the same thing when the Steelers. It happens every

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Speaker 2: time it's reported that.

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Speaker 3: The Steelers took Jaylen Milroe out to dinner before the

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Speaker 3: Alabama Pro Day. Well guess what they took about eight guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they also have other players at Bama. Still isn't

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Speaker 2: just Jalen Milroe. They never take just one guy to dinner.

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Speaker 2: I got this a bunch too, Like, why would the

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Speaker 2: Steelers be sowing the Malachi starts at Georgia's pro dam.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, they have other guys too. If you take

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Speaker 2: any attention to the Georgia program, they're going to four

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Speaker 2: offensive lineman drafted and maybe four defensive lineman draft. They're

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Speaker 2: not first rounders, but you'd still like that there, dudes,

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Speaker 2: they still got some talent there. And it happens all

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Speaker 3: And one of the things that Mike Tomlin consistently says

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Speaker 3: over the years is like, you know, he goes to

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Speaker 3: these pro days. Maybe you don't draft that guy, m hm,

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Speaker 3: but he's going to be a free agent in a

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Speaker 3: few years, potentially against him where you're playing against him,

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Speaker 3: get right, But he may be a free agent in

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Speaker 3: a couple of years, and you get the opportunity they

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Speaker 3: didn't get. They didn't draft Patrick Queen straight out of college, sure, sure,

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Speaker 3: but they got it when he became a free agent.

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Speaker 2: I remember explaining this sort of recently on here. I mean,

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Speaker 2: even if you would go I assume it's the same

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Speaker 2: at pretty much every building. You pull up the scouting

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Speaker 2: report for Queen or whoever. Yeah, well it starts with

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Speaker 2: his LSU and you just add to it, you know,

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Speaker 2: and someone adds another layer every year. And it doesn't

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Speaker 2: mean if the organization loved them here, they're going to

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Speaker 2: love him four years later. But it's a jumping off point.

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Speaker 2: You do all that background on him. If there was

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Speaker 2: red flags, then you want to check them out now.

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Speaker 2: And guys get caught all the time. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: I can't We've brought this up on the air, so

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Speaker 2: I'm not afraid to avoid it. But Walter Nolan's quote

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Speaker 2: off the field stuff, I know you've done searches for it.

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Speaker 2: There's no like arrests. There's not that anyone knows about.

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Speaker 3: Somebody on our message board today said some website out

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Speaker 2: This is what I heard. The incident was incident was

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Speaker 2: he if that's his off the field issue, that's a

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Speaker 2: check in the positive. Call him for me. Look out

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Speaker 2: for your buds. You know.

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Speaker 3: I again, I've never met massive. It's like field red flags.

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Speaker 3: The Cowboys outside linebacker Parsons, Michael Parsons. Michael Parsons punched

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Speaker 2: Right, right, and Warren Sapfell, Randy Moss fell. They actually

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Speaker 3: I'm not bumping a guy down because.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's not like the textas.

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Speaker 3: The Texas A and M coaches where he transferred from

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Speaker 2: Right, which I kind of brought up another whole conversation

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Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody's gonna be unhappy. Right, you know, you're the

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Speaker 2: Like, there's no issues that I'm aware of with Jordan Addison,

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Speaker 2: totally understood. But might someone in the pit building be like.

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Speaker 3: If I went back and talked to your girlfriends, right,

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Speaker 2: Right? Right?

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Speaker 3: Would they all say glowing things about Matt Williamson?

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Speaker 4: that's the you know, But no, I wonder how he

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Speaker 4: transfer the scouting way we do. Yeah, I mean in

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Speaker 4: some ways it's good, Like I can see what did

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Speaker 3: Okay, that one's even a different situation because he spent

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Speaker 2: That is a little bit different too, as opposed to say,

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Speaker 2: we're like Harmon for different schools and do every do

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Speaker 2: they love him at every school? Right? Right? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know Shuck or any of these tudents. They've

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Speaker 2: been around a lot or Harmon had no ill will

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Speaker 2: blows up. You know, was it just a different scheme

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Speaker 3: Let's let let's dig into that a little bit, because

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Speaker 3: his opportunity, absolutely absolutely, Scheme and opportunity are the two

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Speaker 3: biggest factors and whether a guy is a good player. Now,

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Speaker 3: how many times over the years have we seen a

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Speaker 2: Especially receivers right in particular, you know, right, everyone knows.

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Speaker 2: I have great respect for Greg Cosell, friend of the show,

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Speaker 2: out of his way this offseason like crazy team and scheme. Well,

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Speaker 2: if team and scheme workout, he could be this. If

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Speaker 3: Me, was why Nicks with the Broncos perfect made so

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Speaker 2: That's a feather in Peyton's cap. You know, this is

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Speaker 2: I'll take him. You know, he's a fit for me.

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Speaker 3: But if Michael Pennix goes to Denver or Jayden, Daniel

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Speaker 2: No? Probably not. So. I heard another interesting conversation there

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Speaker 3: I mean, the ball is coming out to catch a screen,

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Speaker 2: Because it's a different game, you know. I mean sometimes

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Speaker 3: It's why some of those spread running backs are so

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because they had all these holes in their defense. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And so if you're playing, if I'm if I'm an

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, You'll probably make plenty of mistakes too. And

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Speaker 2: the Rams are smart organization. They probably looked at it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So there's there's a lot of that knowing your

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Speaker 2: They but it's a marriage of college and pro scouting departments,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But just I mean, the the idea that well,

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Speaker 3: They're bringing that guy. You get thirty visits. You get

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Speaker 3: Rushing We couldn't in the fifteen minutes we had at

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Speaker 3: One of the things that drives me nuts about the

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Speaker 2: They're not toss you get thirty visits, they're pre draft visitors.

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Speaker 3: Every time I tweet this out. You always notice, if

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Speaker 3: They're not top thirty these, aren't you.

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Speaker 3: They're showing some kind of interest or there's some kind

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Speaker 2: Like it wouldn't shock me. You just mentioned Andy was

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Speaker 2: one bit if Jackson Dart's one of those thirty visits. Well, yes,

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Speaker 2: That happened. Stuff happens. There were supposed to be a

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Speaker 3: A few weeks ago or a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 3: They had three that day they were supposed to be four.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they reschedule that. Maybe they're not able to reschedule that. Yeah, again,

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Speaker 3: a lot of people want to talk to these guys.

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Speaker 2: Imagine if you were like Jalen Carter, that everyone knew

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Speaker 2: But maybe the league hates me that much that I better.

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Speaker 2: You know, like, you can't get on thirty two flights, No,

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Speaker 2: it's just it's impossible.

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Speaker 3: There's only you know, thirty five days in which you

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and no, by the way, I'd like to

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Speaker 3: You stay in football shait. But anyways, let's get to

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Speaker 3: a break. He is the man Williamson. I am Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 3: You're listening to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to dive a little bit more into this

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Speaker 3: quarterback draft class here, okay, because there's some interesting stuff

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Speaker 3: Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back. I'm Dale LOLLI he is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 3: And for a lot of years I have followed Bob

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Speaker 3: McGinn's oh yeah, yeah yeah. He used to be with

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Speaker 3: the Milwaukee Journal.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know his total background, illustrious.

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Speaker 3: Covering the Packers for years and years and years. It

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Speaker 3: is always always put out pre draft stuff where he

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Speaker 3: talks to scouts from around the league. Oh yeah, he's

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Speaker 3: out in front office people. Well he's not taking that

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Speaker 3: to his website that he started called Golong.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, to substack or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Right, right, And he breaks down every year different positions,

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Speaker 3: every position in the draft, and he has his quarterback

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Speaker 2: You actually sent this to me. I haven't ready yet,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, I certainly will probably on the plane, nomar.

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Speaker 3: And there's some interesting stuff in here. First of all,

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Speaker 3: he mentions that this was his kind of a lead

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Speaker 3: into this. Five quarterbacks were taken in the first round

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Speaker 3: combined in nineteen ninety five, ninety six, ninety seven, and

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Speaker 2: Wow, okay, we're going back and buy back aways. But

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Speaker 3: That's five quarterbacks in the first round.

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Speaker 2: Over four drafts or four drafts. Think about that for

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Speaker 3: Probably in the last two four year periods twenty seventeen

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Speaker 3: each in each of those groupings, there were fifteen quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: Taking So in the last eight years there's been thirty.

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Speaker 3: There's been thirty quarterbacks taken in the first round.

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Speaker 2: Of the draft. Wow, yeah, there haven't.

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Speaker 3: I guarantee you been thirty quarterbacks who had a first

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Speaker 2: Oh, of course, not over those rafts they're thinking too.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking a couple of things.

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Speaker 3: We're a top ten grade because most of those guys

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they don't go to the Chiefs or right

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Speaker 3: The first year that I remember that really happening was

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Speaker 2: That made A J. Manuel.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like nobody had EJ. Manuel as a first round pick.

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Speaker 2: No, that was a week as week of quarterbacks as

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Speaker 2: the pickings classes where people don't remember. It was flat

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Speaker 2: First of all, coincidentally or not, we opened the show

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Speaker 2: talking about team and scheme and fit. Fit is unbelievably important.

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Speaker 2: I mean for quarterbacks it's unbelievably important. Maybe more important.

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Speaker 2: I was talking about this, like, if players were stocks,

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Speaker 2: in a perfect spot Denver Nicks, Like yeah, he probably

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Speaker 2: huge talent discrepancy between Pennix and Nicks. Probably not. I

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Speaker 2: I'm putting my money on that guy. Yeah. You know.

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Speaker 2: The other thing I think is we're way more analytically

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Speaker 2: That quarterback. The best advantage in sports is having a

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Speaker 2: That's the other thing that changed, Yes, because Bechel Wilson

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Speaker 2: He was getting paid. Sam Bradford was the highest paid

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Speaker 2: Ram the day got picked. So is Russell. You walk

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Speaker 3: That's one of the reasons why draft picks are now

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Speaker 3: slotted in. Right, These guys were coming into the league

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Speaker 3: and getting hold out one hundred million dollars yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and they've never played it down. They're getting more.

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Speaker 2: You're paying him more than Tom Brady, Yeah, exactly, paying

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Speaker 2: him more than Ben Roethlisberger he's ever played. It was broken,

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Speaker 2: and I'm a terrible team, he can't be holding out, right,

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Speaker 2: But that doesn't happen. That doesn't happen because everything is slotted.

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Speaker 2: So now it's better.

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Speaker 3: Now you don't get penalized for taking that swing at

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Speaker 2: It doesn't crypt like like what used to happen, and

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Speaker 2: you can do the Rose and Kyler Murray thing and

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's some ramifications, but Steelers was Kenny pickad right, Like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: you got a draft pick and return for him.

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Speaker 2: You move on.

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Speaker 3: It's no different than if you missed on a on

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeahah, it's like, Okay, it's not that big of

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Speaker 3: But twenty years ago, oh you missed on that guy.

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Speaker 3: First of all, you had to keep him because you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: And secondly, I mean it just it hamstrung your franchise

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Speaker 2: That's a great way of looking at it. And the

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Speaker 2: I mean clearly, Like the worst example ever, and it's

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Speaker 2: frankly so long ago. Terry Bradshaw wouldn't have lasted on

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Speaker 3: Smith if he's lucky, If he's lucky he gets another chance.

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Speaker 3: He would have been Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, you know, I mean.

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Speaker 3: Oh he bombs out there. Well he's okay, but not

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Speaker 2: I mean, he was worse than Bryce Young before he

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Speaker 3: He wasn't even the full time starter in seventy four

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Speaker 2: They won the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: He got benched late in that season and then they

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Speaker 3: may stick with it, and they went back they started

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Speaker 3: handwriting and then no, this isn't good either, we're going

439
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Speaker 3: to go back to Bradshaw.

440
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Speaker 2: But even like mid nineties, were teams more dedicated to

441
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Speaker 2: their guy to develop them, you know a little bit.

442
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Speaker 3: I mean you think about the Steelers with Cordell Stewart

443
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Speaker 3: for example, between taking Mark Malone and Ben Roethlisberger, Cordel

444
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:46,080
Speaker 3: Stewart was the highest drafted quarterback by the Pittsburgh Steels.

445
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 3: He's a second round draft pick. He didn't start until

446
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,360
Speaker 3: his third season. They were playing him at wide receiver,

447
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,880
Speaker 3: like you just they took their time. Yeah, he was

448
00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 3: in the quarterback hunt in the competition in nine, but

449
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 3: he wasn't winning that that year.

450
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Speaker 2: And Mahomes is like, when the only guy will love that,

451
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 2: I can really think of that. We're going to sit

452
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 2: him his rookie year and they really do, you know,

453
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,679
Speaker 2: like back in the day, Carson Palmer sat behind it

454
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 2: wasn't Dilferd, but it was somebody else that was you know,

455
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,920
Speaker 2: middle of the road Kitna Kittna exactly. You know about

456
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,640
Speaker 2: that roache. Yeah, but that was well done. There's there

457
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 2: was so many more examples. The best way to the

458
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,680
Speaker 2: first round quarterback is to sit them. That's the best

459
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Speaker 2: thing for their growth. Yeah, I think it's different for

460
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Speaker 2: every player. But where I'm going with is, like I

461
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 2: mentioned the Rosen Draft and you mentioned Mayfield, they're the

462
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Speaker 2: same draft Darnold like, so many of these first round

463
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Speaker 2: quarterbacks aren't with the team that drafted them, and some

464
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Speaker 2: of them have had success elsewhere, right, But I mean

465
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Speaker 2: it's I think it's a lot of it's because of

466
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Speaker 2: the money.

467
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Speaker 3: So here's what McGinn talked to and what he calls

468
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Speaker 3: a seasoned NFL NFL executive in personnel. Okay, he said,

469
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Speaker 3: the league has lost its way. We can't be honest

470
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 3: with ourselves anymore because everybody needs them. This is the

471
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Speaker 3: most overblown group of quarterbacks. Every last one of them

472
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Speaker 3: is overrated, inflated. Wherever they end up, they're half a

473
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Speaker 3: round to a round overrated.

474
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Speaker 2: He said.

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Speaker 3: And what McGinn says about cam Ward is cam Ward's

476
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Speaker 3: talent probably still would have merited a first round pick. Yeah,

477
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Speaker 3: not first overall, but not number one overall. Yeah yeah, yeah,

478
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Speaker 3: So let's dig into this.

479
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Speaker 2: I urge I want to check out his substack because

480
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Speaker 2: some of these, some of these quotes are he formulates

481
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Speaker 2: them well, because some of them are positive.

482
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Speaker 3: Mean positive, are negative? You get both sides.

483
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Speaker 2: Yeah, every scoutson look at it differently, and frankly, some

484
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Speaker 2: of them are a little damning too. Yeah. This guy

485
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Speaker 2: hasn't work hard. He's a bad person. I mean, like

486
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 2: you'll hear things like that. And if you think that's rough,

487
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 2: sit in a war room when you really hear about

488
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Speaker 2: some of the stuff behind people. I mean, it's it's

489
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Speaker 2: brutal with Ward, he says.

490
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Speaker 3: One of the scouts he talked to said, I did

491
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Speaker 3: him last year when he initially was going to come out.

492
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Speaker 3: He was wild, not a great feel all over the place.

493
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 3: But he's gotten so much better this year. He's a playmaker.

494
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Speaker 3: You know, he's clearly the number one guy.

495
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but even so, and I'm a fan and

496
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 2: he's growing on me more and more. There's like three

497
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 2: games from this past year that Miami wins because of him,

498
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 2: but we're losing in the third quarter because of him.

499
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 2: He's a stallion. Hey, Roethlisberger had some of that, Josh Allen.

500
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Speaker 3: I think that's why when when when you know he

501
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 3: was comped to Roethlisberger, because more of that. I think

502
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 3: it's more of that, like, oh no, this guy when

503
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Speaker 3: they when it's time to go, he goes yeah, yeah.

504
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 3: And he may play like garbage for three quarters, but

505
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Speaker 3: then if the game is on the line, if your

506
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 3: defense is keep you in it, he's gonna go win it.

507
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Speaker 2: You'll watch mahomes of Texas Tech. It's a roller coaster.

508
00:23:54,640 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 3: About Shador Sanders. Where's the win he One scout said,

509
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 3: he's going to have to get used to getting rid

510
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 3: of the ball quicker. Outside of that, he gives you

511
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Speaker 3: everything he wants. He's athletic enough. It's not fair to

512
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 3: say that he's not his dad, because he's not his dead,

513
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 3: but he's not his dad. He's got a strong arm,

514
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 3: he can slide and move in a pocket. He's been

515
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Speaker 3: coached and trained by all these people. I don't see

516
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Speaker 3: a lot holding him back right away. He's got a

517
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Speaker 3: lot to work with. He's a worker great. Another scout

518
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 3: comes out and says he does a lot of things

519
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Speaker 3: from a mental standpoint that are going to translate to

520
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 3: the NFL, said a second scout. But he's got borderline

521
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Speaker 3: arm talent, maybe more than that. The concern with him

522
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 3: is at times he developed bad habits holding onto the

523
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Speaker 3: ball too long. He's always going to look for the

524
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Speaker 3: home run instead of settling for singles and doubles. By

525
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Speaker 3: all counts, he's a great kid, not say anything different.

526
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Speaker 3: Some people almost feel badly for him because his dad

527
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 3: is the coach and puts all this extra pressure on him.

528
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 3: He actually might thrive without coach Prime. I think word

529
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Speaker 3: has a much higher ceiling.

530
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Speaker 2: So a couple notes Coach Prime signed a new contract

531
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Speaker 2: like an hour ago. Yeah, so there was all his talk.

532
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: He's a Dallas's coach and they want Sanders to be

533
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 2: father sonned to be together somehow in the league. Again,

534
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 2: well that's not happening. He's not leaving Colorado. I do

535
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Speaker 2: think Schador is a great processor, but he holds the

536
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Speaker 2: ball when he's not the computer processor. He holds the

537
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Speaker 2: ball forever. And I don't think he's overwhelming physically in

538
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Speaker 2: any regard. You know, I'm not sure what his trump

539
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 2: card is below the neck.

540
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Speaker 3: Another scout said, Shadur has no explosive traits.

541
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just like what I was saying. Cam has one.

542
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Speaker 3: Explosive trade his arm. Okay, he is the flashiest, most

543
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 3: overhyped game manager I've ever graded bys.

544
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Speaker 2: That's the way you're looking at it. I see that

545
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 2: point of view.

546
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Speaker 3: There's no way on earth he should go in the

547
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Speaker 3: top three. He's a second or third rounder at best.

548
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 3: He's going to he's going to go top ten. You know,

549
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 3: he said the upside if his name was Joe Blow,

550
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Speaker 3: I don't know that he'd get talked about nearly as much.

551
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 2: Fair.

552
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 3: These are all right, all right, all things. Yeah, you know,

553
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 3: everybody's gonna have different opinions on this. Jackson Dart One

554
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 3: scout said he's a guy you take in the late

555
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 3: second round or were in the third. I don't believe this,

556
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 3: this hocus pocus about putting him in the first, But

557
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 3: stranger things have happened. We all know how we all

558
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 3: know that. Another scout says, I might take Jackson over Shador.

559
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 3: He's got a lot more moxy and quick mindedness. He's

560
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 3: got a good arm, not a great arm. He kind

561
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Speaker 3: of heaves it deep. That's the thing. He can really

562
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 3: drive stuff, but quick passing game. He's good here reminded

563
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 3: me a lot of a mini Drew Locker Gardner Minshew,

564
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 3: one of those wildest throwing dudes, that dudes that do

565
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 3: enough but you ultimately but ultimately aren't great.

566
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Speaker 2: Not the best comparison.

567
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Speaker 3: I don't want to take that in the first round, right,

568
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 3: I don't know what his was a sixth round pick.

569
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Speaker 2: The other one was a second what's his explosive trait.

570
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 2: I don't really see it with him either. Yeah, I

571
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 2: could understand an argument for Dart over Sanders, but I

572
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 2: can't get the argument for either one is a no

573
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: brain or you know, franchise type quarterback. One thing I

574
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: would rewind and I always like to bring this up

575
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: this time of year. One of the scouts in the

576
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: Sanders right up said he's a worker. If you're not,

577
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 2: you have no chance. No chance. I mean that's baseline,

578
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 2: you know, Like everyone's like he's first one in, last

579
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: one out, best kid. I'm like, if you're not, you

580
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 2: don't have a chance. I mean, that's not put you

581
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 2: ahead of the rest. That just means you can come

582
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: to the poker table. Here's something.

583
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 3: I've been doing this a long time and so I

584
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 3: know a lot of different scouts and stuff. I did

585
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 3: a little bit of this myself, and I asked for

586
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 3: a scouting report from somebody. Now he's not with any

587
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 3: team right now, oh yeah, but he still does the

588
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 3: scouting stuff. I said, what, what's your assessment of Jackson

589
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 3: Dark and he sent me. So I'll send you my

590
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 3: write up on him. Okay, okay. Adequate size with big

591
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 3: enough hands, but short arms. Adequate asth fleet and planks

592
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 3: and playing speed. Right handed quarterback that will pass from

593
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 3: different throwing platforms based on route basically sidearm on the

594
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 3: quick flat throws and a ten to eleven o'clock throws

595
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 3: down the field. Inconsistent footwork stepping into the throw, good

596
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 3: release quickness. Most reads appear to be half the field.

597
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 3: We'll get balls batted down due to size and pressure, blitzes,

598
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 3: good timing accuracy and zip on short short, quick games outs, slants, sticks,

599
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 3: quick flat or flats, Adequate accuracy down the field, better

600
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 3: in the middle of the field than outside of the numbers.

601
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 2: On deep balls.

602
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 3: He has enough arm strength to drive the ball down

603
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 3: the field or get chunks when necessary, can find checkdowns

604
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 3: been pressured, but will also take sacks. Will short arm

605
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 3: the ball to wide receivers when pressured, also can force

606
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 3: into coverage of some wide receivers are well covered. Instead

607
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 3: of throwing the ball away, good vision and pocket presence

608
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 3: can work. The pocket can scramble and create lateral the

609
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 3: ball to the running back. Not a strong runner in

610
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 3: short yard is because he's too upright adequate runner to

611
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 3: make the first man miss tough and take a hit

612
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: or in the pocket team appears to rally around him

613
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 3: when he takes a big hit. His ability looks like

614
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 3: a third round type that could develop in time.

615
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's what he is. That goes back to, well,

616
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: why they're fifteen of them taken every four years because

617
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: you're taking third round taking it. That's where you make

618
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: a mistake, right, right, And it's just because the need

619
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: is greater than the supply.

620
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 3: Here's what was written. The scouts told McGinn about Tyler

621
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 3: Shuck will be twenty six in a fall. I know

622
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 3: you have to factor the age in, but if he

623
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 3: went out and just watched the guy, watch the guy,

624
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 3: he'd be the number four quarterback. Once Scott said he's

625
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 3: had five season ending injuries in seven years of college.

626
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 3: Now a lot of those are broken. Those are all

627
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 3: broken bones. Yeah another five three Yeah, Yeah, he's the

628
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 3: most He is the most athletic.

629
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Speaker 2: I mean the first two years he backed up Herbert.

630
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 3: Yeah he was, He ran a four to six. He

631
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 3: throws it well, he's mature, he's from the quarterback camps.

632
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 3: He's helped himself to most of any of these guys.

633
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 3: If Dark go's second round, Shuck's going in the third

634
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 3: or fourth round. Despite the injury history. He's just been unlucky.

635
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 3: He's no throwaway.

636
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

637
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 3: Okay, that's where these These are scouts, guys who actually

638
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 3: do this for a living, not somebody sitting working for

639
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: ESPN or like. The idea that these guys are going

640
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 3: to go first round I think is a fallacy. I

641
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 3: go back to the twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two

642
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 3: drafts when Picket got taken. Yeah yeah, all those guys

643
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 3: were getting well, could this guy go in the first round?

644
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: Could that guy go in the firstness in those dudes, right.

645
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 3: Picket went in the first The rest of them all

646
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 3: went third round, in later third round.

647
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: So again, these write ups are more real when you

648
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 2: actually listen. And there are people in the media that

649
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: are pretty harsh too, but they don't know the background

650
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: or sit with them, or they just don't have as

651
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,719
Speaker 2: many advantages. They don't go in the schools all those things.

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Speaker 2: But when you hear a read a real NFL scouting reports,

653
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Speaker 2: most of our listeners come away with that. Most of

654
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Speaker 2: the listeners come away going, I don't think I want

655
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Speaker 2: that guy. I mean, there's a lot of negative or

656
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 2: a lot of concerns or needs to get better here,

657
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 2: because every one of us, and especially the fans that

658
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: just do this part time or just not into it,

659
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: don't realize how hard to jump it is from the quarter.

660
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: I mean, in order to be successful in the NFL,

661
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: he has to get better at everything, and in this

662
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,239
Speaker 2: area he has to get a thousand times better. I mean,

663
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: Andrew Luck had to get better, right exactly? Interceptions is

664
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 2: rookie year, right exactly? I mean the jump is so hard.

665
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 2: People assume that like, oh, we took a second round corner,

666
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Speaker 2: we'll be fine at corner. It doesn't mean to be good.

667
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: I mean rookies are a problem. But the other thing

668
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Speaker 2: too is and we talk about this a ton too,

669
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Speaker 2: which is definitely true in real war rooms. Is okay,

670
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Speaker 2: you're Utah Scout writes up the Utah kid and says

671
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Speaker 2: he's a second third rounder. Well, we only got f

672
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Speaker 2: fifteen first round grades and we're picking eighteen. Yeah, doesn't

673
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Speaker 2: mean he's not the right pick for us, you know

674
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Speaker 2: what I mean? And that's the thing when so when

675
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Speaker 2: you see thirty two lebrons.

676
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Speaker 3: You know in this draft, we did this a couple

677
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Speaker 3: of weeks ago where I can't remember who does the

678
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Speaker 3: these are the first round guys.

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Speaker 2: It was one of the ESPN dudes, right right, only

680
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Speaker 2: I think he had like twelve or thirteen.

681
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Speaker 3: Well, obviously they're thirty two picks in the first round.

682
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Speaker 3: Sure that means another eighteen or nineteen guys are going

683
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Speaker 3: to go in the first round. And a lot of

684
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Speaker 3: times on some places you'll see a one dash tool

685
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Speaker 3: next to their name when the beast comes out.

686
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that means they could go in the first round,

687
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Speaker 2: they could go early second round. And that's where he's

688
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 2: projecting from what he's hearing and things like that too.

689
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Speaker 2: And really the way to do it is the way

690
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Speaker 2: that Zerline does it. You just put a grade on

691
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: saying I think in year two, he's a starter. Well,

692
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Speaker 2: if there's forty of them, I'll take, you know, the

693
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Speaker 2: best one. Yeah, there's only so much to pick from.

694
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Speaker 3: After Shuck McGinn has col McCord fifth the quarter. He's

695
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Speaker 3: the guys he's talked about or talked to it and.

696
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Speaker 2: First I know, are some people that really like him.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand that. Here's a quote from a scout.

698
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Speaker 3: I don't understand how Ohio State dismissed McCord and brought

699
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 3: Will Howard in. He has a better arm than Howard.

700
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Speaker 3: He throws it pretty well. He threw for all that

701
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Speaker 3: yardage at Syracuse and sort of reinvented himself. He's definitely

702
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Speaker 3: going ahead of Howard and quinn Ewers. He's probably going

703
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Speaker 3: ahead of Dart. Look, he overcame adversity with the transfer.

704
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Speaker 3: It was probably tough watching Ohio State win the national

705
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Speaker 3: championship with a guy who is less than you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I've been talking about scouts, and I've obviously

707
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Speaker 2: the greatest of respect for area of scouts and all

708
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Speaker 2: the work they've done, and I tasted a little bit

709
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Speaker 2: of it. Some of these dudes, I bet don't know

710
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: the rest of the group, they know their area or

711
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: you know, like, oh, he's going ahead of Dart, I'll

712
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Speaker 2: take Mel, I'll take Melon, Todd and the media people's

713
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 2: word on where the going to go over anonymous scout maybe,

714
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: you know, like they're not the decision makers.

715
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Speaker 3: I mean they're not, but they're the ones who are writing.

716
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Speaker 2: They're the soldiers. And if the Capo doesn't like it,

717
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: and the godfather doesn't like it, and most of all,

718
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: if your owner doesn't like it, you're not taking them

719
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Speaker 2: ahead of them. But I think the McCord versus Howard

720
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 2: stuff is really well on. He throws the ball a

721
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Speaker 2: lot better than Howard. Yeah, oh yeah he and he

722
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Speaker 2: was a scapegoat because Ohio State couldn't be missed.

723
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they lost the Michigan and won a national championship.

724
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Speaker 3: He is Dylan Gabriel sixth on his list. Will Howard

725
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Speaker 3: is seven.

726
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Speaker 2: Milroe nowhere to be found. Quin Youwers is eight. Milroe

727
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Speaker 2: is nine. Now I could see the world being decisive

728
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Speaker 2: on Milroe.

729
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Speaker 3: A certain national radio host, Colin Coward, came out and

730
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 3: said the Steelers, He's hearing the Steelers are going to

731
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Speaker 3: take Jalen Milroe in the first round. I don't know

732
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Speaker 3: who the hell he's hearing this from right, right right,

733
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Speaker 3: But the next time he breaks a story about something

734
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Speaker 3: like that, it will be the first time.

735
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Speaker 2: I see the allure of him. I mean, like, not

736
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Speaker 2: in the first round. I mean, come on, course, of course,

737
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Speaker 2: I don't think he'll be there in the third, you know,

738
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Speaker 2: as their picks are currently constructed. But he's definitely not

739
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: in my talks. I mean, we don't know. But the thing,

740
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Speaker 2: and I think we said this earlier in the week,

741
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Speaker 2: that the thing I like about Milroe compared to McCord

742
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: and Howard and yours, I can write a story where

743
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: he's the answer.

744
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Speaker 3: Well, the first quote here is he is the highest

745
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 3: ceiling just from a scout. He is the highest ceiling

746
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Speaker 3: because of the athlete and how fast he is. But

747
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 3: the throwing stuff, he's a couple of years away.

748
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he definitely is.

749
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Speaker 3: I feel like I feel like he was talking to

750
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Speaker 3: me on a lot of this stuff, Like this is

751
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 3: stuff that we both of us have been saying about

752
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: a lot of these guys the entire process.

753
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Speaker 2: And I knew he was working with a private quarterback coach.

754
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 2: Is almost all these people, Well, yeah, but he's working

755
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: with Carson, Palmer's brother who's got a great reputation. But

756
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 2: they need time. I mean, when did Jordan Palmer get

757
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: his hands on Milroe a couple months go? You know, like,

758
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 2: you're not gonna turn him into Josh Allen overnight. So

759
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: Josh Allen a long time. Yeah, the same way. It's

760
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Speaker 2: just interesting.

761
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Speaker 3: I you know, a lot of this stuff again, I

762
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 3: get you know, if you like shed Door Sanders, you

763
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 3: like Jackson Dart, great, there are things to like about

764
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Speaker 3: those guys. I don't like them enough to take them

765
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Speaker 3: at twenty one. No, I might take schd Door Sanders.

766
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

767
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Speaker 3: I'd have to look and see who's available. But I

768
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 3: just it doesn't excite me. No, it doesn't excite me

769
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Speaker 3: at all.

770
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Speaker 2: The problem, of course, is so many of these gms

771
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 2: don't have job security. They have to tie themselves to them.

772
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: A coach can be like, well, we had a rookie

773
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Speaker 2: quarterback when he goes to his owner and they won

774
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Speaker 2: six games and he started to get better at the end,

775
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 2: you remember, and you know, keep us around on another year.

776
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, there's agendas and all that type of

777
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 2: thing too, and there is logic to okay, let's say

778
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 2: I don't know who pick whoever you want Dart. Dart

779
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: is the sixtieth best player on your board, but you

780
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: take them at at thirty because if he hits, he's

781
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: going to hit a lot better than the safety you

782
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: were going to take a thirty or the guard. Okay again,

783
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Speaker 2: that's how you get in trouble. That's how you get

784
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: in trouble. Right, you're buying oversticker price? Yeah, well oversticker well, right,

785
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 2: a little bit ten percent? Fine? Not double not double? Right?

786
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. Uh, let's get to a break.

787
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Speaker 3: He is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lollie. You're

788
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 3: listening to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network,

789
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Speaker 3: Matt and I'll be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 1: At least he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

791
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Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the

792
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Speaker 1: Black and Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.

793
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Speaker 2: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolli.

794
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Speaker 3: He is the Matt Williamson and Matt the Steelers making

795
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Speaker 3: another roster move today, re signing Jeremiah Moon, the outside

796
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: linebacker had a block kick last year. Yeah, it was

797
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 3: a good special team Orca became a core special team guy.

798
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there is a there's three outside linebacker edge

799
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 2: guys that are going to make the team that you're

800
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: thrilled about. But there's another spot there and they've kept

801
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 2: five in the past two it's happened.

802
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 3: One of the things I think people overlook on the

803
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Speaker 3: Harrison signing Malik Harrison, the idea is that you want

804
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: Peyton Wilson to play a lot, to play more snaps

805
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 3: than what he played last year as a rookie when

806
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 3: he was also a key contributor on special teams for you.

807
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Speaker 2: People don't look at it, but this is a compliment

808
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Speaker 2: to Peyton Wilson.

809
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Speaker 3: Correct, Yes, And look, I love a Landon Roberts as

810
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 3: much as anybody. You're not putting them out there on

811
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Speaker 3: special teams.

812
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: True, you're not lost, you're losing the special team or

813
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 2: but gaining the defensive.

814
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 3: So if Patrick Queen's not going to play special teams

815
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Speaker 3: for you, which he isn't, and Peyton Wilson isn't going

816
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 3: to be a core special teams guy anymore, which he isn't.

817
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 2: I assume Holcomb is. I should know that the top

818
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 2: of my head, or at least I don't know. I'll

819
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: find that out. I haven't started. We saw him too.

820
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Speaker 2: He'd better be because he's going to have to get good

821
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Speaker 2: at it. You couldn't afford to have a Landom Roberts

822
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Speaker 2: and Cole Holcomb, who you don't know if he's a

823
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 2: special teamer. I assume he did it early in his career,

824
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Speaker 2: before he became a starter.

825
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Speaker 3: I assume he was a fourth or fifth round but

826
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Speaker 3: he hasn't yet. But he hasn't done it lately. And

827
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 3: he's also now twenty eight, twenty nine years old. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

828
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 3: you can't have none of your inside linebackers have special.

829
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Speaker 2: Team park Robinson played a ton inside a ton of

830
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 2: uh special team snaps. He may not make teams right, right,

831
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 2: That's the thing, so Harrison will.

832
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Speaker 3: So while it would be would have been nice to

833
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 3: bring back a Landon Roberts, the idea is for Peyton

834
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 3: Wilson to play more.

835
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 2: Yes, again, you can't.

836
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Speaker 3: You can't move away from that at the You can't

837
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 3: play Landom Roberts at the expense of Peyton Wilson.

838
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: Peyton Wilson has to play more. Yeah, it can't just

839
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: be you're the three to four guy. You're the nickel

840
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: dime guy.

841
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 3: That's that would be a step back. If that's what

842
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 3: Peyton Wilson is this year or his career or his career,

843
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 3: that's not enough, that's not He's better than that.

844
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fine. He's a rookie, yea. And Roberts is

845
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 2: good and he's a thumper and their different style as

846
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 2: a linebacker. But Holcomb also wasn't in the mix either.

847
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 2: R I mean, if that's your three and he was

848
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Speaker 2: a starter for you two years ago or whatever, where

849
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Speaker 2: Harris is your three, Yeah, he was a starter for

850
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: the Ravens last year, then okay, you know, yeah, I

851
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: mean I do believe Roberts is probably a better linebacker

852
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 2: than Harrison. Yes, but he doesn't do as much. He

853
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: does one thing, he does one thing, he does one thing.

854
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know, I think people overlooked that when

855
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 3: they looked at that signing. Same thing with Jeremiah Moon.

856
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 3: Your top two outside linebackers aren't playing special teams.

857
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: No, Herbig's played a ton over the years, herbigs played

858
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Speaker 2: a lot. And how much more of that do you want? Right?

859
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Speaker 3: Do you want to really test continue to push them that, yes,

860
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 3: he's going to do some stuff but that's why you

861
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 3: have a Jeremiah Moon there, Matty Cave. That's why when

862
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 3: Preston Smith was was inactive late in the year, because

863
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Speaker 3: Jeremiah Moon was there and he's a special teams player

864
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 3: and Preston Smith is not. Had they brought a land

865
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 3: In Roberts back this year, there were a chance. Is

866
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,959
Speaker 3: that he was going to be an active for some games. Yeah, yeah,

867
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 3: which might have been why he didn't want to come back.

868
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 2: It's the game day puzzle. It's different. It's easy not

869
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 2: to think about these things in April or even training

870
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 2: camp when you got to put your inactives in Sunday morning,

871
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 2: How do I get Danny Smith happy? Like Preston Smith's

872
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 2: out there.

873
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 3: You know, they had some injury stuff, and Preston Smith's

874
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 3: out there, in there, whatever package you want to call it.

875
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,439
Speaker 3: He's next to Cam Hayward rushing the passer. The next week,

876
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 3: he's in active. Corey Trice was out there starting that

877
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 3: game against the Bengals. The next week in the playoffs

878
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 3: against the Ravens, he's inactive. Right, How could those guys

879
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 3: be inactive because they're not special.

880
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 2: Teams players, special Tayer, It's not that hard that they

881
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 2: might not get their jersey dirty hardly at all.

882
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 4: You know.

883
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: Thus, Pierre's back, Scornic's back, you know, do we know

884
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: Connor Hayward, who's played a ton of special team snaps,

885
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 2: definitely gonna make the team. Make the team for Mark Robinson, right,

886
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: I mean.

887
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 3: These guys, your player forty and on right on the roster,

888
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 3: you bet better play special teams. And if you don't,

889
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 3: you know, if you're really good at it, you can

890
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: hold it onto a spot.

891
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: Killbrew right, you make a life out of it. Yeah,

892
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: great at it? Right, Yeah, that's hard to do. You

893
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: could go back about it.

894
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 3: I mean, Freddie McAfee lasted twelve years in the league

895
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 3: because he could. He was really good at special teams.

896
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 3: Wasn't because he was a great running back. No, right,

897
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 3: he's really good on teams.

898
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 2: And people don't think about it at the wide receiver

899
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 2: position enough either, especially in a system like the Steelers

900
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: that doesn't have three wide out there all the time.

901
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 2: So a four are getting a lot of snaps. Your

902
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: fourth guy might not play all that many of the

903
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 2: offensive snaps, let alone your fifth guy, right, you know, so,

904
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 2: but he's.

905
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: Going to get his jersey dirty on special teams. At

906
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 3: least he better.

907
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: And I always talking about this with special teams coaches.

908
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: They have such a weird world. Nobody comes along in

909
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 2: week ten and steals your starting guard or defensive end

910
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 2: or safety. Danny could lose a seconds starting this week.

911
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 2: Who can't play him on special teams? Yeah, or we

912
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 2: cut him before we cut him, we needed a guard

913
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 2: or something, right, Sorry, I know that Mark Robinson's one

914
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 2: of your favorite special team or but we cut them

915
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: in week ten.

916
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 3: We have three safeties hurt, five starters. I don't even

917
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 3: have eleven. We have to sign somebody. We have three

918
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 3: safeties hurt.

919
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got to go. So he's got to go

920
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 2: and hopefully clears waivers and you get him back in

921
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks or whatever. But yeah, we got

922
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 2: we cut him. They'll be cuts, your starting center, starting

923
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 2: wide out anyways. Uh so that's it.

924
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 3: Jeremiah Moon back again. Gives him another special team's body there.

925
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 2: That and he may not make them, may know the team.

926
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 3: There's no these are all one year deals. There's no

927
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 3: guarantee any of these guys make the team, right.

928
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 2: But it's good to have him back. They might even

929
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: camp and maybe they improve as defense or offensive players.

930
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you just don't know anyways, that's going to

931
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 3: do it for our number one here on the drive.

932
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Speaker 3: Matt and I will be back with our number two

933
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Speaker 3: right after this