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Speaker 1: This series is inspired by true events. The stories you're

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Speaker 1: who are played by actors.

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Speaker 2: I'd make it.

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Speaker 3: We're back. I'm DJ Johnny Joulton.

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Speaker 4: Boy.

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Speaker 5: It's a hot one out there.

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Speaker 3: Get yourselves to the lake or up backyard pool, or

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Speaker 3: just turn.

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Speaker 5: On a hose.

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Speaker 2: Just stay cool.

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Speaker 3: Friends. Samantha from Mount Pine just called in to request

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Speaker 3: Cruel Summer by Banana Rama. Yes it is Samantha, Yes

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Speaker 3: it is.

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Speaker 1: The dog days of summer nineteen eighty four are in

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Speaker 1: full swing. It's the summer between our freshmen and sophomore years.

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Speaker 1: Kids are hanging out in now Lake during the day,

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Speaker 1: But for all the summer fun we're having, there's a

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Speaker 6: Lisa Anderson's murder was the worst thing ever. I mean,

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Speaker 6: it devastated us, but it wasn't like that was the

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Speaker 6: end of it, because other weird stuff kept happening too.

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Speaker 1: In the three months since Lisa Anderson's murder, Mount Pine

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Speaker 6: We hoped people dying and all that dark stuff was

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Speaker 6: behind us. Little did we know we'd be there for

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Speaker 6: the next one.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Clark. This is The Murder Years, Episode two, Dawn.

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Speaker 7: Nine one one. What's your emergency?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't know. It's really loud here, but I'm

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Speaker 8: kind of freaking out. I think I just heard gunshots.

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Speaker 8: I mean, there are lots of gunshots, but I think

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Speaker 8: I just Oh my god, Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Saturday, August eleventh, nineteen eighty four is a hot one.

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Speaker 1: On this particular day, Tatiana, Melanie and I are at

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Speaker 1: Carla Espinoza joins us. Back in nineteen eighty four, Carla

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Speaker 1: is fifteen years old and in our grade, and her

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Speaker 9: I remember I got sun in at the store and

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Speaker 9: the first time that day. I was hoping it would

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 9: I saw Sam Foster there with his parents. They were

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Speaker 1: Eighteen year old Sam Foster, a senior at Mount Pine

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Speaker 1: High School, is not just cute. He's Matt dilloncute. He's

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Speaker 10: Yeah, this is going to be interesting and pretty, hearn's

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Speaker 1: Today. Sam's fifty six years old and owns a restaurant

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, Sam's girlfriend Dawn would become the second

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Speaker 10: I remember the moment I started liking Don car Ryan.

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Speaker 10: It was ninth grade in biology class. She was so pretty,

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Speaker 1: And on this Saturday night, August eleventh, is there official

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Speaker 10: Oh yeah, I was playing in A real nice night

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Speaker 10: Don was impressed, just as I planned, and we ate.

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Speaker 5: We went to see Red Dawn.

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Speaker 10: It was about American high schoolers fighting the Russians who

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Speaker 10: But I also chose that one, you know, because they

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Speaker 1: Tatiana and I are also at the drive in that night,

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Speaker 1: but we aren't there to see Red Dawn. We're seeing

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Speaker 9: We were at Karate Kid, and my dude brought pillowcases

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I brought a couple of pillowcases too, so yeah,

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Speaker 5: Say it again.

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Speaker 10: And then suddenly.

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Speaker 9: Nine one one, what's your emergency?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't know. It's really loud here, but I'm

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Speaker 11: Where are you calling from?

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Speaker 2: A paper? At that, I meant sunset four drive in.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I remember this so clearly. Tatiana, her sister,

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Speaker 1: and I are watching the movie. Then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 5: It was total chaos.

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Speaker 6: I was terrified. We all were.

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Speaker 1: At this point. We have no idea what's actually going on.

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Speaker 1: But soon we hear people say a woman's been shot

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Speaker 2: It was an incredibly chaotic scene.

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Speaker 1: That's Detective Kurt Peters. He's retired now, but back in

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four he was only three years on the job.

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Speaker 1: And because Mount Pine had so few homicides, Peters mostly

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Speaker 5: They were just.

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Speaker 4: Talking some people everywhere. I mean, there were two screens

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Speaker 2: A lot of people.

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Speaker 4: And while we wish we could send them home, we

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Speaker 2: The police tape.

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Speaker 4: He said his name was Sam Foster, and he told

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Speaker 4: us how victim's name was don Codwright. She had been

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Speaker 10: So I told the detective somehow, and I don't even

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Speaker 2: He said, everything was okay, you went to the bathroom.

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Speaker 4: Then the concession said he said he was nowhere near

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Speaker 10: Well he uh. He asked me if I owned a gun,

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Speaker 5: Shit. I wanted to marry that girl.

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Speaker 1: We are all freaked out in really just wanting to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Dan, I'm here at the sunset for drive In.

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Speaker 3: There was a shooting during the eight o'clock screening of

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Speaker 3: Red Dawn. Please tell me there is one victim who

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Speaker 1: Detective Peter says a quick assessment of the crime scene

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Speaker 1: Around midnight, Detective Peters arrives at the Cartwright home. He

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Speaker 1: Don's father, Michael Cartwright comes to the door in pajamas.

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Speaker 11: I actually couldn't compute what I was being told. I

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Speaker 11: has been murdered. It felt totally surreal, like our whole

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Speaker 11: world just ended. And I thought, look, if it's that

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Speaker 1: Detective Peters says, a little after one am, he meets

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Speaker 2: I started by asking about his relationship with.

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Speaker 10: Don, and I told him we were so happy, so

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Speaker 10: And I told him how my parents went out that night,

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Speaker 4: I then asked him if he knew anyone who might

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Speaker 10: I remember, yeah, I told him, yes, I know someone.

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Speaker 10: I told him I maybe knew someone who would want

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Speaker 10: I told Michelle she needed to leave. I was getting

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Speaker 4: So Michelle knew they were going to the drive. Then

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Speaker 4: I wondered if her obsession with Sam was strong enough

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Speaker 4: When I got there, though I knot but no one answered.

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Speaker 2: At this point, it was like the three in the morning.

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Speaker 4: I knocked and a short bald man in boxer came

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Speaker 4: I asked if he knew where Michelle was, and he said.

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Speaker 2: She's with her mom there at the hospital. She's with

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Speaker 5: Michelle was having some abdominal pains.

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Speaker 1: is there. She's been there since early evening the day before.

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Speaker 4: And a while later I was back at my desk

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Speaker 1: Here's Michael Cartwright once again.

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Speaker 11: I told that Detective Peters that I thought maybe I

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Speaker 11: knew who killed Don. I told him I just kicked

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Speaker 11: this guy was bad news. He was selling drugs right

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Speaker 2: Down.

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Speaker 11: Even says she'd seen him once at the gas station,

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Speaker 11: I told him I would report it.

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Speaker 4: I asked mister Carr right the guy's name, and he

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Speaker 2: I knew we needed to talk to him right.

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Speaker 4: His last known address listed was the one he was

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Speaker 4: just evicted from, so her question was where is it.

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Speaker 11: I told the detective that his sister might know.

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Speaker 1: Detective Peters looks her up and finds her address.

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Speaker 4: When I got to the sister's apartment, I could see

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Speaker 4: I was thinking it had to be him, right, I

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Speaker 4: The door open place where a mess dirty clothes were

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Speaker 4: clutted the coffee table and the floor around it. It

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Speaker 4: didn't smell too good in there either, like someone had

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Speaker 4: been microwaving fish. And standing before me at the door

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Speaker 4: I asked him his name. He said, Todd Wilson. Suggest

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Speaker 4: And I was actually surprised when he invited me in

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Speaker 4: I asked him if he was on anything, any drugs,

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Speaker 4: my rent soon. He told his landlord he was going

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Speaker 4: him his landlord's name, Cartwright cart Right. He said, I

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Speaker 2: The same guy whose daughter got killed last night.

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Speaker 4: I think he's the same guy whose daughter got killed

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Speaker 4: He said no, no, I haven't seen the guy since,

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Speaker 4: and no, I didn't do anything to his daughter.

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Speaker 2: Then he said he went to the movies. Seriously, he's

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Speaker 4: I asked maybe he had proof, and he said yes,

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Speaker 4: and he had the ticket stub.

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Speaker 5: In his wallet.

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Speaker 1: Detective Peter says, Todd Wilson opens his wallet and pulls

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Speaker 1: he sees it from the Mount Pine Cinema downtown, not

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Speaker 1: the Sunset four driving.

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Speaker 2: I was like, damn it.

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Speaker 4: I would still need to interview the employees at the

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Speaker 4: he could have gotten the ticket stub from a friend,

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Speaker 4: but he had it already. He didn't know I was coming,

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Speaker 4: And it seemed like my gut was telling me this

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Speaker 1: Detective Peter says after his interview with Todd Wilson, he

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Speaker 1: the days turn into weeks with no real leads, Detective

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Speaker 1: Peters says he's at a loss. Then a call comes

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't get my name or anything, but I

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Speaker 8: think I know where that gun, the one that was

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Speaker 2: I think I know where it is.

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Speaker 1: Several weeks after Don Cartwright's murder, lead, Detective Peters gets

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Speaker 1: an anonymous tip.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that gun, I heard It's in the lake behind

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Speaker 1: Peters says all tips are taken seriously, this one, especially

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Speaker 1: since Mount Pine doesn't have a dive team they asked

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Speaker 1: lakes and bodies of water. Officer Cliff Nelson will lead

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Speaker 1: the crew of ten in the search for the murder weapon.

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Speaker 1: He's long since retired, but he graciously agreed to take

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Speaker 12: Normally we use specialized equipment for searching, such as metal detectives.

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Speaker 12: It was just, you know, it was just impossible. This

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Speaker 12: We couldn't even see down there. So we had to

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Speaker 12: we walked slowly, trying to feel with our feet with

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Speaker 12: Right then, about thirty minutes in, officer yells, hey, I

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Speaker 12: think I just stepped on something. He reaches down, pulled

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean it was a good day, you know.

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Speaker 12: Detective Peters was very pleased, I can tell you that.

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Speaker 4: So now we got the gun, but it had been

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Speaker 4: ceial number and it came back registered to Leslie Perkins.

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Speaker 1: Detective Peters heads out to talk with forty one year

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Speaker 4: Kid looked around fifteen years old, maybe fourteen. His clothes

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Speaker 1: Leslie Perkins invites Detective Peters inside. The place is as

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Speaker 2: I'll got you to chase.

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Speaker 4: I told her we believed her gun had been used

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Speaker 2: And she said no, I don't. Then I asked her

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Speaker 10: It's in my nightstand.

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Speaker 2: She didn't hesitate. She said it was in her nightstand.

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Speaker 9: As a single mother, I have it for protection.

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Speaker 2: As a single mother, she said she had it for protection.

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Speaker 2: I asked her to.

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Speaker 4: Go get it, but fully knowing it wouldn't be there

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Speaker 8: The gun is gone.

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Speaker 2: She said the gun was gone.

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Speaker 4: I asked her who knew she had it? Just then

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Speaker 2: The back door.

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Speaker 1: Detective Peter says, he runs after him, but the kid's

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Speaker 4: So I called the backup and fibolo a be on

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Speaker 4: the lookout. They put out for a white mouth around

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Speaker 1: Police search mail Pine for hours. They called in the

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Speaker 1: Detective Peters says it was as if the kid pulled

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Speaker 4: Finally, right we took him into custody and went to

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Speaker 4: The interview was over before it ever began.

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Speaker 2: So we got a.

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Speaker 4: Warrant and searched dnnisis room, and luckily we found one

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Speaker 4: significant piece of evidence, or at least we hoped it

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Speaker 4: was significant. We found a pair of tennis shoes with

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Speaker 4: some small pieces of glass embedded in them. We were

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Speaker 4: thinking it was glass from the windshield. We knew there

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Speaker 4: was still a lot of work to do, but we

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Speaker 4: had enough to hold him for forty eight hours.

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Speaker 7: Luck would have it.

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Speaker 4: The very next day a witness came for it and

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Speaker 4: said he saw Dennis Perkins at the drive end that night,

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Speaker 4: leaving the hole in the fence behind the bathrooms. We

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Speaker 4: arrested Dennis Perkins upon a second degree murder charge, along

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Speaker 4: with two counts of possession of a firearm. I asked

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Speaker 4: the kid why he did it. He just stared back

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Speaker 4: at me in silence. He was charged as an adult

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Speaker 4: and held with our bond.

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Speaker 1: I tracked down the prosecutor who tried the case, Ben

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Speaker 1: blythe Today he's a circuit court judge.

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Speaker 13: Look, the first thing I did was go back to

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Speaker 13: court to argue for the charges to be upgraded to

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Speaker 13: first degree murder. We believed he not only knew what

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Speaker 13: he was doing, it was deliberate, and that would be

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Speaker 13: corroborated by a new witness came forward.

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Speaker 7: This witness was two cars in front of Sam and Dawns.

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Speaker 13: He said he heard the first shot, then maybe three

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Speaker 13: seconds later, he heard a second shot. We all knew

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Speaker 13: there was a lot of heavy gunfire in the movie,

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Speaker 13: but this witness owned the same kind of gun and

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Speaker 13: knew the difference between the movie gunfire and what was

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Speaker 13: happening in real life. We believed the first shot missed

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Speaker 13: and it hit the frame of the car, and instead

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Speaker 13: of leaving, Perkins waited three seconds, which is actually a

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Speaker 13: long time one one thousand, two, one thousand, three, one thousand.

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Speaker 7: Then he fired the second and fatal shot.

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Speaker 13: So we argued that the killing was wilful and deliberate

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Speaker 13: since he waited before firing the second shot.

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Speaker 1: And judge agrees. Dennis Perkins charges are upgraded to first

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Speaker 1: degree murder. He pleads not guilty. Nine months later, the

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Speaker 1: trial begins. Don's parents are there every day.

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Speaker 11: I mean, the pain that my wife and I were

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Speaker 11: in was unbearable, and that guy I couldn't stand the

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Speaker 11: sight of him in the courtroom. All we could see

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Speaker 11: was the back of his head and was still.

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Speaker 5: Enough to make.

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Speaker 2: Me want off.

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Speaker 11: I want to kill him for what he did to

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Speaker 11: my family, for taking Don away from US.

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Speaker 1: Prosecutor Ben Blythe believes it's an open and shutcase.

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Speaker 13: We knew his mom's gun was used to kill Don Okay,

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Speaker 13: and it was later proven to be a match. The

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Speaker 13: glass and issues came back to match the windshield, and

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Speaker 13: he got very lucky when a friend of Dennis Burkers

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Speaker 13: came forward at trial. He testified about how they had

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Speaker 13: snuck into the drive in through the hole in the

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Speaker 13: fence behind the bathroom. After walking around for a while,

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Speaker 13: this guy watched Perkins knock on a car window and

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Speaker 13: asked the person to roll it down. Then he said

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Speaker 13: he heard Dennis say something about money. He couldn't hear

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Speaker 13: what the person, the woman in the car, said, but

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Speaker 13: it looked like she just rolled the window back up.

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Speaker 13: The friend said he started to walk away, then he

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Speaker 13: heard a shot. When he turned around, he saw Dennis

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Speaker 13: Perkins standing in front of the car. Then he saw

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Speaker 13: him shoot again. He said he ran and never looked back,

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Speaker 13: but the next day, Perkins went to his house and

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Speaker 13: told him he was mad.

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Speaker 7: That the girl was rude to it.

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Speaker 13: She was a bitch and looked like she had money

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Speaker 13: and just didn't want to give it to him.

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Speaker 7: He said.

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Speaker 13: In the months leading up to the killing, Perkins would

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Speaker 13: take his mom's gun and just like around the house,

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Speaker 13: pretend or practice like he was robbing someone.

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Speaker 7: The witness said.

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Speaker 13: He felt really awful that he never told anybody about it.

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Speaker 13: Thought he might have been able to prevent Don Kyle

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Speaker 13: Wright's death and that was something he'd have to live

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Speaker 13: with for the rest of his life.

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Speaker 1: On the sixth day of the trial, the case goes

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Speaker 1: to the jury. They come back in five hours with

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Speaker 1: a verdict guilty. Dennis Perkins is sentenced to life without parole.

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Speaker 1: Don's father bursts into tears.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, great, he was found guilty, but it never should

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Speaker 11: have happened in the first place. I mean, he could

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Speaker 11: have just walked away after the first shot. Why does

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Speaker 11: he have to keep shooting. Why do you have to

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Speaker 11: take our daughter away, our only daughter.

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Speaker 13: I mean, look, as the prosecutor, I was really happy

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Speaker 13: with the verdict, but the whole thing was a tragedy.

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Speaker 13: I mean, Don Cartwright should never have been killed, and

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Speaker 13: a sixteen year old should not have made the tragic

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Speaker 13: choices he made that night that essentially ended not just

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Speaker 13: Don's life.

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Speaker 7: But his too. This case had detected Peter's real.

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Speaker 4: Hard This is just my opinion, but he should not

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Speaker 4: have had access to a gun. He was a kid

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Speaker 4: and a trouble kid, and I pushed for the mom

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Speaker 4: to be charged too, but the DA didn't pursue that.

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Speaker 4: I also thought Perkins' mom probably missed a lot of

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Speaker 4: warnings tennis, and if she had been clued in, he

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Speaker 4: could have gotten some help and Don Cotwright would still

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Speaker 4: be here.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, just a damn tragedy.

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Speaker 1: So another senseless murder. Why why here and why us?

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Speaker 1: We were all so scared and how.

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Speaker 6: Were we supposed to protect ourselves from being the next

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Speaker 6: you know, the next victim. Don't go to parties or

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Speaker 6: the drive in, don't date, but make sure to give

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Speaker 6: everyone money who asked for it. It was ridiculous and honestly,

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Speaker 6: really scary.

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Speaker 9: These murders were changing us, and the next one, damn,

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Speaker 9: it almost tore that family apart at the seams.

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Speaker 1: Next time on the murder years.

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Speaker 10: Nine one one what's your emergency.

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Speaker 4: Well, I went to throw out the trash or dumpsterraw

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Speaker 4: back and there's a body inside.

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Speaker 1: Another murder, this one behind the Bowling Alley.

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Speaker 2: He told me he kind of hated the guy, and

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Speaker 2: that was no secret. I couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 10: He said he did what he had to do to

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Speaker 10: keep me safe.

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Speaker 1: The Murder Years is a production of AYR Media and iHeartMedia.

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Speaker 1: Executive producer Eliza Rosen for AYR Media co executive producer

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Speaker 1: Paulina Williams. Written by Leah Rothman, directed by Michael Celtics.

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Speaker 1: Original concept developed in partnership with Anna, Margaret Johns and

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Speaker 1: Greg Spring. Casting by Eisenberg Beans Casting Senior Associate producer

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Speaker 1: Eric Newman, Associate producer Jill Hushesnik. Editing and sound design

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Speaker 1: by Tristan Bankston, mastering by Cameron Taggie, Audio engineering by

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Speaker 1: Matt Jacobson, Studio engineering by Jay Brannan. Music by Nathan Bankston.

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Speaker 1: Legal counsel for a y R Media Gianni Douglas. Executive

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Speaker 1: producer for iHeartMedia, Maya Howard. Performances for this episode by

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Speaker 1: Gabrielle Carteris as Nancy Clark, Kelly Deadman as Tatiana Borla

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Speaker 1: Cassiby as Melanie, Maricilda Garcia as Carla, Charles Carroll as

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Speaker 1: Prosecutor Blythe Dathan B. Williams as Detective Peters. Desiree Rodriguez

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Speaker 1: is nine one one operator, James B. Kennedy as Sam Foster,

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Speaker 1: James Donahour as Michael Cartwright, John Ralston Craig as DJ

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Speaker 1: Johnny Jolt, John Ralston Craig as Reporter Number one, Sarah

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Speaker 1: Officer Nelson menaniing Day as nine one one caller Number

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Speaker 1: three menaning Day as anonymous tipster. Additional voices by Sarah

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