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Speaker 1: Lips A.

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Speaker 3: This is an absolute pleasure. We have head coach of Chaparral, Chaparral, right.

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Speaker 2: Chaparral coach Charlie Ragel was head coach Chapero, maybe the

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Speaker 2: most winningest coach in Chaparral history, but the.

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Speaker 3: Head coach of Chaparo when you were in school. That's

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Speaker 3: why this is important, right. We get to if anybody

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Speaker 3: who listened to Dave Seigler interview. You can check that

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Speaker 3: one out when we sent on the Raiders GM. This

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Speaker 3: is the same bloodline basically, not genetically, but you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean, I'm with you that Taylor came from.

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Speaker 3: So I assume this is gonna be a great storytelling

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Speaker 3: podcast between now two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So just background, man, I was my junior year, my

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Speaker 2: freshman through junior year, I'm playing noose tackle and Chaparral

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Speaker 2: High School, Scottsdale. It's a lot of money in that school,

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Speaker 2: a lot of like a lot of resources at Chaparral.

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Speaker 2: They come up to Cave Creek and fucking donkey us now,

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Speaker 2: Trace Carrol, his dad was just a play guy I

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Speaker 2: played with for like one year on like Pop Warner

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Speaker 2: comes up to my dad. I was like, Hey, what

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Speaker 2: are you doing with Taylor? And I's like, what do

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Speaker 2: you mean? He's just trying to play football hopefully get

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Speaker 2: a scholarship. And he's like, I think you need to

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Speaker 2: have a meeting. So he goes and sit down with

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Speaker 2: Ragel and I don't know what happened to that meeting,

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Speaker 2: but I would love to hear that conversation you had.

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Speaker 4: Well, let's back up, because first of all, that was

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Speaker 4: junior year. We go up to Cactus Shadows, you know,

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Speaker 4: I know is they've got this really big, good looking

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Speaker 4: Kui and they're playing him at nose tackle. The thing

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Speaker 4: I remember most about that game is that there was

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Speaker 4: a really bad cornerback. And this is great coaching right here,

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Speaker 4: I said, tomorrow, c's up in the box. Before the

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Speaker 4: game kicks off, I said, hey, Dave, Mike Cummings, we

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Speaker 4: had a really good receiver. I said, he's covering this guy.

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Speaker 4: You just throw it to this guy all night long.

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Speaker 4: And we went for twelve catches, two hundred and fifty yards,

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Speaker 4: four tugs, sixty points on the board. The de tackle

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Speaker 4: was a non factor. That was a non factor. I

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Speaker 4: literally I wasn't even a player. You would look at

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Speaker 4: and be like, we got a block picture.

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Speaker 1: He walked, was big, he.

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Speaker 4: Was long, good looking, and so fast forward to the

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Speaker 4: spring of oh wait, oh wait, right, yeah, oh wait,

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Speaker 4: and yeah, I guess I could say this now. I

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Speaker 4: had a breakfast with his dad, which is illegal, I suppose,

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Speaker 4: but what the hell, And there's gotta be a statute

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Speaker 1: That doesn't there.

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Speaker 4: So we met and just talked about the potential. We

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Speaker 4: had a really good defensive end was Taylor's teammate, Craig

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Speaker 4: row At, And Craig was a four point zero student,

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Speaker 4: had every offer in the country as a junior. So

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Speaker 4: going to that spring, you knew that our place was

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Speaker 4: Taylor's dad knew that, and you know, he thought, man,

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Speaker 4: this is the opportunity for Taylor to to to get seen.

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Speaker 1: And now did you pitch him to move the offensive

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Speaker 4: Well, when I saw him, I was just like, man, look,

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Speaker 4: this guy's a no brainer offensive tackle. Like I mean,

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Speaker 4: you look at him, He's athletic, how he bins. It

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Speaker 4: and I just told his dad, if we can get

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Speaker 4: He's gonna blow up. I hadn't seen the transcript yet.

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Speaker 4: Let me preface that, brother, it was bad. I don't

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Speaker 1: My my freshman year.

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Speaker 2: The first semester I failed three classes, and then my

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, as they say, yeah, the border and so

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Speaker 4: my man here was rocking into Chaptown with the one

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Speaker 4: Life's about timing, as we all know. And uh, back then,

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Speaker 4: And uh, that's exactly what we did. A lot of

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Speaker 4: you know, he left with the two point six GPA,

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Speaker 4: credit to Tony Dues.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys all know, dudes, he's out there. Dudes.

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Speaker 4: Dudes believed me when I told him, like, we're going

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Speaker 4: to get this dude right, Like, we will get this

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Speaker 4: guy qualified.

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Speaker 1: You just got to trust me on that.

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Speaker 4: And so Dues stayed because everybody came to see Craig

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Speaker 4: and obviously Craig was a hot commodity and a really

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Speaker 4: good player as well, but everybody was asking about Taylor,

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Speaker 4: you know, and then you show him the transcript, they're like,

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Speaker 4: good talk, coach. And so my man pounded some workout again,

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Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of resources and a lot

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Speaker 4: man is rocking at two six and he's on his

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Speaker 4: way to go blue.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a while. It was a while.

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Speaker 2: Like I told you a little bit about it, Like

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Speaker 2: we played those first two games, and that's like where

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Speaker 2: I got all my scholarship offers off. It is just

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Speaker 2: that I put those on film and then they went

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Speaker 2: and like he said, like a bunch of coaches would come,

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Speaker 2: there's literally nothing we can do here in left Like

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Speaker 2: Wisconsin did the same thing.

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Speaker 4: So here, here's a great story. You're gonna love this.

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Speaker 4: He comes with his dad to get registered for school.

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Speaker 4: You see this guy, really like walking across the campus

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Speaker 4: is the first time I really laid eyes on Mo

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Speaker 4: Like that's a left tackle. So I tell tell Rod,

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Speaker 4: And again Rod's old school man, and we had had

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Speaker 4: really good high school player. Uh and Ethan Lewis. Ethan Lewis, Yes, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I say Rod, we're gonna move Ethan to right tackle.

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Speaker 1: And he was pissed. He fought me on it.

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Speaker 4: We've got a left tackle, No, man, this this is

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Speaker 4: to he goes, I just got one question for you,

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Speaker 4: he said, Coach, Like I don't even know if you're

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Speaker 4: gonna remember it. But he goes, when you guys played me,

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Speaker 4: I was playing the nose tackle. Did you have to

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Speaker 4: double and triple team? That's a tough look. Last questions

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Speaker 4: like that, I said, let me tell you something. We

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Speaker 4: had to create a whole game plan against you. I said,

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Speaker 4: we were doubling tripling. How one point we just wedged

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Speaker 4: the whole thing at your ass. We couldn't stop you.

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Speaker 4: Complete lie.

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Speaker 1: As I told you the front end of the story.

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Speaker 4: And he looks, as Dad, let's go get me signed up. Facts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny how the Taylor.

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Speaker 4: Loan era started at Shoptown, USA and uh, and then

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Speaker 4: once he got on the field, man like, and I

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Speaker 1: Come from, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: And he's just a genuine dude, Like it's rare in

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Speaker 4: he approaches life kind of how I see it. You know,

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Speaker 4: I got a real fiery personality, and it's either you know,

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Speaker 4: what I mean, And it's all in. And that's how

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Speaker 4: he approached it. On the field and off the field.

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Speaker 4: You know, he was an instant fan favorite. He was

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Speaker 4: And obviously once he put the stuff on tape, it

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Speaker 1: And then once we.

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Speaker 4: Got the grades where they needed to be, everybody came

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Speaker 3: Well, was it basically like they saw the first two

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Speaker 3: it just came down to the transcript.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean.

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Speaker 4: The transcer was so bad in the spring that people

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Speaker 4: to come back and check back in. And then they saw, oh, man,

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Speaker 4: he's making that progress. Yeah, you know, but then dues

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Speaker 4: had been dudes had stayed the course, man, and stayed

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Speaker 4: consistent with me. And then obviously with Taylor's dad's background

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Speaker 4: obviously he could tell you the rest of that why

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Speaker 4: he shows Michigan. But Uh, it was everybody, man, everybody

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Speaker 4: and their mom wanted this dude. It's been and it's

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Speaker 4: been fun. Like to sit here and see all of

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Speaker 4: this man, and like it's it I trade. It's an

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Speaker 4: but it's also just a testament to how hard he's

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Speaker 4: worked and just eat life.

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Speaker 1: Man, you never know. It's crazy. Yeah, man, does that

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Speaker 1: make you feel good? Yeah, it makes you feel good.

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Speaker 2: He's one of those when you take compliment, you just

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Speaker 2: take it because it is it's tough to get compliment.

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Speaker 3: Cool to hear though, because he's somebody who obviously was

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Speaker 2: And it was I remember, like you remember, like you

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Speaker 4: The thing that I say about about Coach Dillingham that

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Speaker 2: I told you before we've walked in here like this

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Speaker 4: No matter what you do in life, man, you do

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Speaker 4: Like it's you got to be all in or all out,

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Speaker 1: Most people will never understand that. Hey, you gety, he's

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Speaker 4: So I'm gonna come to nash Vegas, Nashville and sit

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Speaker 2: Hell, yeah, brother, you are in Biden.

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