WEBVTT - When “Today” Becomes Yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Harrison and Lauren z MC company from the home

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<v Speaker 1>office in Austin, Texas. Hope everybody's having a good week.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a big week ahead. You and I are

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<v Speaker 1>about to take off to one of our favorite places

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<v Speaker 1>in the world, Monterey, California, Pebble Beach. Not to play golf.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just say that. I know you guys think, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>LZ's going out to play Pebble Beach again. We get it,

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<v Speaker 1>she loves golf.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, gosh, I'm trying to think if this is the

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<v Speaker 1>fifth or sixth time we're going to host the AIM

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<v Speaker 1>Mental Health Gala up there at Pebble Beach in Monterey.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a wonderful, wonderful event that the last couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years you and I have been co hosting together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you've hosted it longer than I've been part of

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<v Speaker 2>it with you. But it is the AIM Youth Mental

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<v Speaker 2>Health Organization. They do all sorts of great work with

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<v Speaker 2>the youth of California, help with suicide prevention, depression issues, education.

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<v Speaker 2>So a wonderful organization and you know, we're blessed the

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<v Speaker 2>gala is in yeah, one of our favorite cities in

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<v Speaker 2>the world, So we're going up there to support and

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<v Speaker 2>co host that. But before we get into doing good

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<v Speaker 2>in the world, let's just talk about some pop culture.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of media do some escapist headlines.

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<v Speaker 1>We can talk about what we do best, which is

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<v Speaker 1>debate media stuff. And there was a big announcement last week.

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<v Speaker 1>Babe with Hot to Copy, the kind of pillar of

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<v Speaker 1>the NBC Today Show been there for god, she's been

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<v Speaker 1>there for decades. She's been crushing it one glass of

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<v Speaker 1>chardonnay after the next on the show. And so no,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a big news last week. And what I

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<v Speaker 1>found interesting was she announced it obviously on her own terms,

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<v Speaker 1>but then it came out later well maybe this was

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<v Speaker 1>a contract.

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<v Speaker 2>Dispute, so I don't even know if i'd call it

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<v Speaker 2>a dispute. So ho to announce she's going to step

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<v Speaker 2>down in August. She said, you know, she's turning sixty

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<v Speaker 2>and that she wants to have more time with her children.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this might be one of those things of

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<v Speaker 2>two things can be true at once. Yes, like part

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<v Speaker 2>of that probably is true, but you know, it's hard

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<v Speaker 2>to leave sometimes when you've got a great, great gig,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're making great money, and you think, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just one more year. I mean, I know you felt

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<v Speaker 2>that with The Bachelor. It's like one more contract negotiation,

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<v Speaker 2>a few more years. But there has also since that

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<v Speaker 2>announcement come out, and I'll give credit to Puck News,

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<v Speaker 2>one of my favorite sort of inside baseball media and

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<v Speaker 2>Hollywood news organizations on this. They have reported that it

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<v Speaker 2>might have been an issue with that Hodo was making

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<v Speaker 2>quote more than twenty million dollars per year at NBC

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<v Speaker 2>Good Lord and according to their sources that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Hodo was very beloved there and they knew her value

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<v Speaker 2>to the brand, but that they wanted her to take

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<v Speaker 2>a pay cut. That it was made quote clear to

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<v Speaker 2>her agents that such stratospiric contracts were no longer justifiable

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<v Speaker 2>given the industries inexorable decline. And for perspective, Puck notes

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<v Speaker 2>that about a decade ago today averaged about five million

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<v Speaker 2>viewers GMA as well, and today audiences are about half that,

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<v Speaker 2>with two point something million viewers typically. So look, I

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<v Speaker 2>think two things can be true at once. That is

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<v Speaker 2>a staggering salary, it is, and if you think about

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<v Speaker 2>how like It's not like Hode is the only one

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<v Speaker 2>on the show. I mean Savannah Guthrie and multiple other people.

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<v Speaker 2>Still they're paying tens of millions of dollars in salary contracts,

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<v Speaker 2>And I completely understand how from a business perspective, they're

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<v Speaker 2>just like, we don't have the viewers, we don't have

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<v Speaker 2>the advertising dollars anymore. But then I've also been on

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<v Speaker 2>the other side of it, where as an employee, you're

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<v Speaker 2>looking at okay, but you guys are still making a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of money, and you're still spending a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>on a lot of things, and these numbers are still really,

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<v Speaker 2>really big. And so maybe it just became time for her,

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<v Speaker 2>of I'm going to go out on a high note.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to take a pay cut to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>I had been thinking about leaving to spend more time

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<v Speaker 2>with my family anyway, I mean sixty, She's been doing

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<v Speaker 2>this a long time. Yeah, And I will say I

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<v Speaker 2>have one just small personal story with Hoda, but I

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<v Speaker 2>met her briefly when we were both covering the Royal

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<v Speaker 2>wedding Harry and Meghan, and she was lovely and I've

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<v Speaker 2>never heard anything but lovely things about her.

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<v Speaker 1>Same. Yeah, So I've run into her a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>times and had some good conversations with her and could

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<v Speaker 1>not be exactly what you see on the morning show.

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<v Speaker 1>She's just a real gem and a sweet woman.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that this everything I'm reading here seems true

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<v Speaker 2>to me. What's your take on.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you nailed it best. I think oftentimes in

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<v Speaker 1>today's media, maybe with social media, we want to believe.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like you hear a story and then you hear

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<v Speaker 1>another part of it and we think, Okay, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>story that oh my gosh, this was just a contract dispute.

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<v Speaker 1>But what Lauren said is so true. Think about your

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<v Speaker 1>own life. How often is one truth everything? It's multiple

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<v Speaker 1>things can be true at one time, and that's what

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<v Speaker 1>leads you to a decision. She was probably, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>himming and hawing over is this the time? And like

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<v Speaker 1>you said, it is so easy when that carrot is

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<v Speaker 1>dangled in front of you. I was going through that

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<v Speaker 1>at the time I left The Bachelor. I was in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of a contract negotiation. I'm like, oh, man,

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<v Speaker 1>do I really want to sign on to this for

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<v Speaker 1>five more years? And you know, deep down no, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's there and you feel like, well, i'd be

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<v Speaker 1>crazy not to because I'm not even I wasn't even

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<v Speaker 1>close to sixty, so I wasn't ready to retire anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>So I get where she is. Where she's like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sixty years old. I've been waking up at three

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning, driving into Manhattan every day, grinding this out,

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<v Speaker 1>and man, those morning shows. That is a tough haul.

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<v Speaker 1>But she's done it so well and she's so beloved,

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<v Speaker 1>So I get that there were probably two sides, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe just that contract negotiation and them coming to or

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<v Speaker 1>made it a little bit easier to just say, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, it's time to put a pin in this

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<v Speaker 1>and hand it off to the next generation and move on.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's difficult but good to have that self

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<v Speaker 2>awareness too. Of would I like say she'd said yes, yes, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>then even though you love your job, you're going into

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<v Speaker 2>it with a different level of resentment. You're thinking, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>but I had kind of wanted to spend more time

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<v Speaker 2>with my kids. Oh but I'm tired, and now all

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<v Speaker 2>on top of that, I have an additional new resentment

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<v Speaker 2>of I don't really feel like they're paying me what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm worth here and what I had before, And so

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<v Speaker 2>then you're kind of doing your job through a different

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<v Speaker 2>lens and with a different chip on your shoulder. And

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<v Speaker 2>then do you become worse at the work and do

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<v Speaker 2>you start to get angry at something that you used

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<v Speaker 2>to love? And that's a dangerous road to go down,

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<v Speaker 2>But like you just said, it's an easy road to

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<v Speaker 2>fall down because of it's a great job, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you're still making good money, and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>job that everybody wants. When you have this job that

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<v Speaker 2>people generally think seems really glamorous and aspirational, I always

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<v Speaker 2>called it the glittery hamster wheel. Like you're on this

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<v Speaker 2>hamster wheel and you're like, I'm running on it, and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe at first you're enjoying it and you're feeling good

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<v Speaker 2>and you're on a runner's high, and then you're thinking, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still running on this wheel, But do I get off?

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<v Speaker 2>And it's really glittery and shiny and everyone's looking at it,

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<v Speaker 2>But am I actually enjoying being on this?

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<v Speaker 1>I the best some of the best business advice I

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<v Speaker 1>ever got was very early on. I was twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>years old. I was signing I think my first contract

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<v Speaker 1>at KWATV and Oklahoma City, the CBS affiliate and the

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<v Speaker 1>late great mentor of mine, Bill Tiggans, pulled me aside

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm like, you know, should I negotiate it? He's like, look,

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<v Speaker 1>the best advice I can give you is, don't ever

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<v Speaker 1>sign a contract that you don't really fully believe in

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<v Speaker 1>with your heart. And to that point, if you don't,

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<v Speaker 1>you will come in every day with resentment in your

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<v Speaker 1>heart and you're not going to give it your all.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what's funny is, so many years later

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<v Speaker 1>I was about to do that. I was about to

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<v Speaker 1>get involved with a contract where my heart wasn't in

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<v Speaker 1>it anymore and the resentment would be there. And so

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<v Speaker 1>that advice always stuck with me. I wish it had

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<v Speaker 1>been with me and that in that moment, But I

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<v Speaker 1>bet with Hoda it is that that that was the

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<v Speaker 1>bridge too far. Its like, I'm not going to come

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<v Speaker 1>in here and do something I love and have resentment

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<v Speaker 1>my heart anymore. And kudos to her for a a

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<v Speaker 1>great career. Congratulations. It's not the last we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>see of her. I'm sure she'll be doing other things,

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<v Speaker 1>but a beautiful career. If it is the end, God

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<v Speaker 1>bless her. That's said. To go out on your terms

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<v Speaker 1>is wonderful.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really hard to do. It's really hard to end

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<v Speaker 2>on a high note and to call it. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Puck was speculating, and I agree with them that we

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<v Speaker 2>might be seeing a little more of this in the

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<v Speaker 2>next few years. Those sort of stallwarts of like TV

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<v Speaker 2>News and Morning TV and all that saying goodbye, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean for very similar reasons. One it's like are they

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<v Speaker 2>aging out? And two these contracts are so I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>they make the point here that on GMA, their morning

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<v Speaker 2>team costs Disney more than seventy five million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Strahan and uh Roberts, Oh my god, they have insane salaries.

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<v Speaker 1>And like you said, the news, ABC News runs GMA,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure NBC News runs the Today Show. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really hard to justify those salaries in today's climate

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<v Speaker 1>of trying to get eyeballs.

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking about this as well with the Ellen

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<v Speaker 2>Degenerous special got released on Netflix a couple days ago

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<v Speaker 2>on September twenty fourth. I think it premiered extra views,

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<v Speaker 2>very mixed reviews. I tried to watch it, you did,

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<v Speaker 2>I used to. I was a big fan of Ellen's

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<v Speaker 2>stand up years ago, her Here and Now special, if

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<v Speaker 2>anyone has ever seen it on HBO. My sister and

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<v Speaker 2>I loved that special. We watched we were like young.

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<v Speaker 2>We watched it over and over again because it and

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<v Speaker 2>we could watch it because it was pretty clean humor.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Ellen was known for that. The special is

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<v Speaker 2>like largely about like she jokes about the way light

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<v Speaker 2>bulbs are packaged and our voicemail voices and all this

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<v Speaker 2>really family friendly stuff. So our parents let us watch it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought, you know, I don't even really care

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<v Speaker 2>how much Ellen like addresses the cancel her being canceled

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<v Speaker 2>kind of thing. I just wanted to see if she

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<v Speaker 2>had to get another good stand up special. So I

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<v Speaker 2>tried to watch it, and probably like everybody today, I

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<v Speaker 2>gave it about fifteen minutes and I wasn't really laughing,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I thought, Okay, I'm gonna turn this off.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm I'm not really laughing, I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 2>And so I didn't even get to the part where

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<v Speaker 2>she talked about her career and everything that had happened. Really,

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<v Speaker 2>but one thing that I take away from that is

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you go through in your career ups and downs.

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<v Speaker 2>In this industry and maybe in any industry, it's all

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<v Speaker 2>about what kind of content you try to come back with,

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<v Speaker 2>Like Will Smith after the slap. I don't think Will

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<v Speaker 2>Smith is fully back. I don't he hasn't really done

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<v Speaker 2>an interview. I think there's still a lot of controversy

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<v Speaker 2>around that. In the moment, I thought that that whole

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<v Speaker 2>moment was horrifying the fact that he physically assaulted someone

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<v Speaker 2>on stage and then everybody in the room was still

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<v Speaker 2>okay with him getting up and giving a speech and

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<v Speaker 2>accepting an award. It was wild to me, and I

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<v Speaker 2>get that in the moment, it was probably you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're having a live show and it's hard to make

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<v Speaker 2>the right decision and it's very stressful. But it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>the right decision for him to go up there. But

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<v Speaker 2>what he has come back with was he had the

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<v Speaker 2>new Bad Boys movie this summer, and at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the day, it was a good movie. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>people went to see it. It did huge box office and

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<v Speaker 2>he made a movie that people enjoyed. So do I

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<v Speaker 2>think that that is like step one on him maybe

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<v Speaker 2>coming back, Yes, because now he can point to well,

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<v Speaker 2>the most recent thing I did was a hit movie Ellen.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think This Special is that hit. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think it was funny and I don't think it was

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<v Speaker 2>like it makes me sad because I don't think Look,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you want to think about Ellen. I do think

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<v Speaker 2>some of that was true about the way that she

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<v Speaker 2>treated people, but I also think she made great strides

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<v Speaker 2>for the gay community. She had a great hit sitcom,

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<v Speaker 2>she was very funny, and she did do a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of good things over the years. So she's, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a mixed and dynamic person, but she is not going

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<v Speaker 2>out on the note the way that Hoda is. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is kind of sad.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to Yeah, it's hard to go out on top.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to go out your way. As you've always said,

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<v Speaker 1>things in for a reason and usually when they end,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not because of a good thing. And so it

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<v Speaker 1>is very rare in sports.

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<v Speaker 2>If something's ending, it's not usually not for a good reason.

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<v Speaker 1>And sports, in any industry, you look at how many

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<v Speaker 1>people go out on top, and there's very few that

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<v Speaker 1>go out like, you know, like our friend Andrew Whitworth.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like I won a Super Bowl, I'm done. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to go into the Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 2>Play.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, John Elway did this. Uh and now you see

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<v Speaker 1>it in movies and all that's like do you hang

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<v Speaker 1>on for that last fight? And you're like, oh, like

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't need to see Jordan in a Washington Wizard's jersey.

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<v Speaker 2>They have come back again. No, no, he should. But

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<v Speaker 2>but look now he's going to have another career as

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<v Speaker 2>a broadcaster.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, noe to since we're talking media, we

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<v Speaker 1>are a month into this now. He's done four or

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<v Speaker 1>five games, remarkably gotten better market. Yes, quick, Learner are

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<v Speaker 1>doing good? You know, are you? You critiqued him, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I critiqued him, and he's he had a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>work to do and he's done it. He found his voice,

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<v Speaker 1>he found his cadence, he found his rhythm. He's got

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<v Speaker 1>his confidence. He just needed to needed that. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we call it happy feet when you're in the pocket

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<v Speaker 1>and you're kind of unsure as a quarterback. He's settled

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<v Speaker 1>down now. But look, I also think that when you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about astronomical salaries, he got one. And is anybody

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<v Speaker 1>watching a game because you might hear the Tom Brady's

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<v Speaker 1>on it. That's that's what I think Fox Sports or

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<v Speaker 1>whoever his whip is going.

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<v Speaker 2>To find out his salary is a sportscaster.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, you look it like interesting, it's yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was over three hundred million or something. Just absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>insane that I just can't fathom that that sports will

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<v Speaker 1>ever get back. And I don't know how it was

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<v Speaker 1>structured or whatever, but the numbers that was that were

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<v Speaker 1>in the headlines were amazing. But as much as I

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<v Speaker 1>like Tom Brady and he's doing a good job, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't look.

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<v Speaker 2>First Sports illustrated. I'll just interrupt you to give this

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<v Speaker 2>number because it's more than either of us realized.

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<v Speaker 1>He was three seventeen or something.

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<v Speaker 2>For a ten year contract with Fox, which wild to

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<v Speaker 2>sign on for ten years. That's a long time contract.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they did it so they could disperse that money.

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<v Speaker 1>He'll he'll probably not do it for ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>But three, well, Tom, three one hundred and seventy five

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Good lord.

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<v Speaker 2>And see that's why when people are rena go siating

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<v Speaker 2>like Hoder or whoever. Like I said, on the one hand,

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty million dollars a year salary seems wild, and

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<v Speaker 2>on the other hand, they're sitting here saying, but look

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<v Speaker 2>how much money you have still overall, even though you're

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<v Speaker 2>saying the industry's declining. I see it both ways.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's you know, I don't know anybody, any

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<v Speaker 1>of my friends, any or women who think, hey, I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder what game tom Brady's doing, I'm going to watch

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<v Speaker 1>that game. So like, no, I'm from Dallas, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>watch the Cowboys, or oh tom Brady's doing that, or

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Romo's doing it. I'm not going to turn a

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<v Speaker 1>game hon Or off because of the announcer. That's That's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be the interesting thing with Tom Brady. I

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<v Speaker 1>think though that he was a property that everyone just

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<v Speaker 1>felt like, we're not sure exactly how it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>pay up, but we just need to own the greatest

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<v Speaker 1>of all time. He's for sale. Let's buy him to Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I get it, but I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have the sense with how much better he's gotten,

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<v Speaker 2>even in a short amount of time, that he will

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<v Speaker 2>be one of those because I know you have every Elliston.

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<v Speaker 2>I know this about sports. Guys have their whoever like sports,

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<v Speaker 2>have their commonators that they like to like, hear their

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<v Speaker 2>opinion on things. Is he going to be one of

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<v Speaker 2>those people. Is are you going to want the Tom

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<v Speaker 2>Brady take on things or is it just site? You

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<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying, no in sight versus opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't, you know, he's not a Colin Cowhert or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that, where I love Collin's opinions and watch

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<v Speaker 1>him and I think he has a good take. Tom

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<v Speaker 1>Brady isn't like I have a hot take. And honestly, Tom, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And honestly, what's more important in sports is the play

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<v Speaker 1>by play guy. That's the you know, the color analyst

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<v Speaker 1>that and I think there's some good ones out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Traeikman is going to be on tonight with Joe Buck.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a great team. And you have some

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<v Speaker 1>other ones with Tom Brady, have Tony Romo and guys

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, these guys that have left the field

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<v Speaker 1>and they do a great job. But the play by

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<v Speaker 1>play guy, the al Michaels of the World's the Joe Bucks,

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<v Speaker 1>the uh, you know, Bob Costas was a classic one

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<v Speaker 1>back in the day. Those are the guys. Mike Trico

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<v Speaker 1>is another great one right now, They really their voice

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<v Speaker 1>is the voice of the highlight, right They're the one

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<v Speaker 1>calling the game. They're in the activity that excitement. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they're the.

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<v Speaker 2>Ones getting down the field.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that it was it nineteen forty Yes, Hell, he's

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<v Speaker 1>running down the field.

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<v Speaker 2>In my mind the highlight eyes like that trans Atlantic

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<v Speaker 2>look at their.

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<v Speaker 1>Gams on that one.

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<v Speaker 2>There I go.

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<v Speaker 1>You just listen to the Kentucky Derby in nineteen thirty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Like my most recent sports movies are like, what's that?

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<v Speaker 2>What's the no crying in baseball?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Their own with Tom Hanks.

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<v Speaker 2>I do want to say one thing about the Ellen

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<v Speaker 2>thing though, because I said it's kind of sad before,

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<v Speaker 2>and I do want to give this perspective and my way,

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<v Speaker 2>did you you? You were on Allen many times, so

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<v Speaker 2>here's but you didn't have bad experience.

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<v Speaker 1>I have such mixed feelings about Ellen because I'm biased.

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<v Speaker 1>I like Ellen. I was on her show gosh if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just guessing a dozen times, and even when the

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<v Speaker 1>late Great Twitch her DJ DJ, he was off and

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<v Speaker 1>I did a fill in thing where I was like

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<v Speaker 1>I would dress people were coming on dressed up, and

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<v Speaker 1>I dressed up as a panda and I sat in

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<v Speaker 1>twitches like DJ, and she would try to guess throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the show who the DJ was, and so I did

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that for Ellen. I did a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>like little vignettes for her.

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<v Speaker 2>She was very into the Bachelor world.

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<v Speaker 1>She was very into the Bachelor world. And then we

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<v Speaker 1>kind of befriended each other. We played we were in

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<v Speaker 1>a poker game together. We played poker together a few times,

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<v Speaker 1>and we just every time we ran into each other.

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<v Speaker 1>I found her very friendly. She was very kind to me.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a relationship on the air, but a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a relationship off the air. So I've always

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<v Speaker 1>been a little biased that I have been a fan

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<v Speaker 1>of Ellen.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's true, and that's what I mean. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't and when you're someone that big, again, all

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<v Speaker 2>these things can be true and it doesn't make her

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<v Speaker 2>inherently a bad person, Like I don't think Ellen's evil,

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<v Speaker 2>you know when people and I think people tried to

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<v Speaker 2>paint her that way.

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<v Speaker 1>And people need the either or thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I just want to add the note of

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<v Speaker 2>even though I didn't love this latest special from the

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<v Speaker 2>parts I watched, we still don't know how Ellen will

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<v Speaker 2>be remembered overall. Like by that, I mean time changes everything,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you know, think of like how a movie can

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<v Speaker 2>be called a cult classic. Like maybe when the movie

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<v Speaker 2>came out it bombed to the box office, but then

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<v Speaker 2>over the years people created the spandom and realized, oh wait,

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<v Speaker 2>that was actually a great movie, and now they quoted

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<v Speaker 2>and it's beloved. We don't know. Ellen's career spanned decades.

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<v Speaker 2>She did a sitcom, she did Finding Nemo Movies, she

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<v Speaker 2>did her show, her talk show. So I just think

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to need more time to see and I

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<v Speaker 2>predict that in the future we'll look back and people

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<v Speaker 2>will have more fondness and they will say that that

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<v Speaker 2>little blip of the ending of it, doesn't she That's

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<v Speaker 2>not how it will be.

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<v Speaker 1>She was a groundbreaker and innovator, breaking into the late

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<v Speaker 1>night shows and then and it's kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>Fair to me to take away all of the bravery

0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:59.600
<v Speaker 2>that she had, Yeah, announcing she was gay on television

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<v Speaker 2>and getting show canceled over it. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>take that moment from her.

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<v Speaker 1>It was incredible, And look, she was an innovator. We

0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:08.560
<v Speaker 1>were all looking for the next Oprah, and she stepped

0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:11.600
<v Speaker 1>into those shoes in a very different way, found her

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<v Speaker 1>own her own beat. Everyone tried to be Oprah. Instead,

0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:17.680
<v Speaker 1>Ellen became Ellen and had a successful, you know, talk show,

0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:20.720
<v Speaker 1>which is virtually impossible to do and make it successful.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've always been a fan. She was always good

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<v Speaker 1>to me and good to the franchise, and so I've

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<v Speaker 1>always been a little biased in that regard, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I wish her well and I will remember her fondly

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<v Speaker 1>as a pretty good poker player too. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of controversy on Dancing with the Stars. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you see this with Anna Delvi?

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<v Speaker 2>I saw the briefest of clips. I have not been

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<v Speaker 2>watching this season, but Anna Delvey, the infamous alleged scammer,

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<v Speaker 2>well convicted, convicted of st I get you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>always careful.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to this was legit. She was convicted.

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<v Speaker 2>So she's on the show, but did not make it

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<v Speaker 2>very long. I don't think the season has been airing

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<v Speaker 2>that long. And she was eliminated. Yeah, and walk us

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<v Speaker 2>through what she said?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, she she basically had this quote at the end

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<v Speaker 1>where they, you know, I think it was Julian Huff

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<v Speaker 1>They give the brief goodbye, Yeah, the brief goodbye.

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<v Speaker 2>It's do you have any words about the show, And she's.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, you know, do you have any takeaways or do

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<v Speaker 1>you have any words?

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<v Speaker 2>What did the show teach you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Nothing?

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<v Speaker 2>She literally said, quote nothing and the show ended.

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<v Speaker 1>And now you know, she has kind of come out

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<v Speaker 1>and said the show used her. I painted her in

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<v Speaker 1>a bad light. They just used her for ratings.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. What does she think being on this show? Is?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? What's funny is and bless her heart, I think

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<v Speaker 1>she's kind of so delusional that she actually believes she's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>the reason I didn't stay on and people like Eric

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<v Speaker 1>Roberts and others that got worse scores than I did,

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<v Speaker 1>my viewers and my fans, my people are younger.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe she doesn't realize. I don't think she has a fandom.

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<v Speaker 2>I think she has people interested in the drama of

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<v Speaker 2>the story that she created and what she did, and

0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:02.280
<v Speaker 2>it's salacious. But that's different than having fans.

0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:06.600
<v Speaker 1>ABC isn't going to do anything if it's not for ratings.

0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:10.320
<v Speaker 1>That's the point. Dancing with the Stars is having, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, a resurgence. It's having one of its best

0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:17.960
<v Speaker 1>ratings years in quite some time. The last week's ratings

0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:21.600
<v Speaker 1>were a point seven six four point eight million, That

0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:25.880
<v Speaker 1>is just above Survivor as the number one show. Survivor

0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:29.119
<v Speaker 1>does a point seven to two with four point four million.

0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:35.920
<v Speaker 1>That is staggering, huge numbers. And so Anna, you were

0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:38.639
<v Speaker 1>a part of feeding that flame. Your scandal was a

0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:41.760
<v Speaker 1>part of that. I think maybe she thought this is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a big redemption to her and people

0:22:43.560 --> 0:22:44.800
<v Speaker 1>are going to fall in love with me as I

0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:47.560
<v Speaker 1>dance around with my anklet. She has to wear a

0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:50.520
<v Speaker 1>she's at home whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Home monitor, which was a brilliant move. Now I can

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<v Speaker 2>hear in her. I'm reading a quote here from she

0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:03.439
<v Speaker 2>was on Tory's Spellings podcast and she said that you

0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:05.720
<v Speaker 2>guys told me what I'm supposed to do. I tried

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<v Speaker 2>to do it, and then I was still rejected. And

0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:09.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm taking away nothing. This is what I'm taking away

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<v Speaker 2>from it because your advice was worthless. The advice did

0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:13.679
<v Speaker 2>not pay off for me, even though I tried to

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<v Speaker 2>follow it. So you tell me what you're hearing in that,

0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:18.960
<v Speaker 2>because what I'm hearing in that is I can hear

0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:21.919
<v Speaker 2>the producers telling her this is going to be a

0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:24.359
<v Speaker 2>redemption story for you, like you can win over the

0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:25.200
<v Speaker 2>hearts of America.

0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, And so I know what I'm telling her

0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:29.720
<v Speaker 1>I do know. Okay, look, I'll defend her in this.

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<v Speaker 1>I know how it was sold to you. Anna, I

0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:37.160
<v Speaker 1>know what they told you. But whoever your people are

0:23:37.160 --> 0:23:39.159
<v Speaker 1>around you, you have to be more savvy than that.

0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:41.320
<v Speaker 1>You were coming on for one reason. And if you've

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<v Speaker 1>if you've ever seen the show, and she claims she's

0:23:43.720 --> 0:23:46.120
<v Speaker 1>never really seen the show before, which that's on you.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it's been on for twenty years.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you research?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's on you. They weren't going to paint you

0:23:51.560 --> 0:23:54.520
<v Speaker 1>as this great redemption story. That's not what it was about.

0:23:54.880 --> 0:23:58.879
<v Speaker 1>You're a convicted felon, so that was the story. But

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<v Speaker 1>I will also say this they needed because that's the

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<v Speaker 1>thing with days, with the stories. It can't all be

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<v Speaker 1>great stories.

0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:06.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, and they can't all be the same type of person.

0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:09.240
<v Speaker 2>But here's the thing. They're not going to shine a

0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:13.800
<v Speaker 2>gentle spotlight on you. But I will say this, and

0:24:13.840 --> 0:24:16.080
<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen how they painted or I haven't seen

0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:18.040
<v Speaker 2>the packages, so I guess I didn't do my research

0:24:18.040 --> 0:24:22.840
<v Speaker 2>on this one. But the redemption story is also on

0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:25.439
<v Speaker 2>you to show that you want to be redeemed. Like

0:24:25.480 --> 0:24:27.920
<v Speaker 2>another thing I'm not hearing in these quotes that she's

0:24:27.960 --> 0:24:30.480
<v Speaker 2>saying yeah, and hey, look she's staying on her own brand.

0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:34.800
<v Speaker 2>But she is, like she said, quote that the show

0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:38.040
<v Speaker 2>is a waste of time. She said, it is what

0:24:38.080 --> 0:24:40.560
<v Speaker 2>it is, and it's fine. I never had high expectations

0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:43.359
<v Speaker 2>on the show for myself. Well okay, I mean, if

0:24:43.359 --> 0:24:45.000
<v Speaker 2>you're going to treat it that way, like for it

0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:48.480
<v Speaker 2>to be a redemption story, one, they are selling it

0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:50.280
<v Speaker 2>to you that way, and so they're selling it. But

0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:52.560
<v Speaker 2>if you want it to be that, you have to

0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:54.760
<v Speaker 2>create that too, Like you have to be vulnerable and

0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:56.840
<v Speaker 2>dig in and open up and show that you're sorry.

0:24:57.240 --> 0:24:59.800
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know that she's done that. And that

0:24:59.840 --> 0:25:02.000
<v Speaker 2>can go either way. Either she could have shown she

0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:05.080
<v Speaker 2>was sorry and really gotten something off the show, or

0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:08.000
<v Speaker 2>she's going to stay on Brandon's Annadelvi and people will

0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:10.760
<v Speaker 2>like laugh about her wild comments, just like we're doing now,

0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:11.480
<v Speaker 2>and maybe that'll.

0:25:11.280 --> 0:25:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Take her something, I mean a little bit in her defense.

0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:16.359
<v Speaker 1>You know, I think everybody has this idea when you

0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:20.000
<v Speaker 1>go on reality TV that you have any amount of

0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:22.880
<v Speaker 1>say and how your power, any power or any say,

0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:25.720
<v Speaker 1>and how you're being portrayed. I'm sure she probably gave

0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:28.760
<v Speaker 1>it the first week to see, oh, you know, they're

0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:32.120
<v Speaker 1>asking me these questions, and I'm she may very well

0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:34.760
<v Speaker 1>may have in all those interviews with the producers been

0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:38.080
<v Speaker 1>very contrite, very loving, very glowing about Dancing with the Stars.

0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:40.240
<v Speaker 1>They took it in the direction they wanted to. The

0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:44.200
<v Speaker 1>producers decide how you're going to be portrayed. Every reality

0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:46.240
<v Speaker 1>show is the same. This isn't just on ABC, but

0:25:46.320 --> 0:25:48.960
<v Speaker 1>I know ABC does this. They're going to portray you

0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:52.520
<v Speaker 1>how they want. And so your videos, what your dancers

0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:55.280
<v Speaker 1>are saying, how the judges talk about you, all that

0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:59.440
<v Speaker 1>has been decided by producers. So look, the deck was

0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:02.400
<v Speaker 1>stacked again. But she should have known that coming in

0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:05.399
<v Speaker 1>she was going to have to do a thousand times

0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:09.800
<v Speaker 1>more to be have any sort of redemption. We've seen

0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:12.159
<v Speaker 1>this season for twenty years. You knew what was going

0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:16.520
<v Speaker 1>to happen. So Anna, you know, buyer beware and just

0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:20.560
<v Speaker 1>coming in saying claiming ignorance. That doesn't fly with me,

0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:23.080
<v Speaker 1>you know now in reality TV, and she should know.

0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:26.119
<v Speaker 1>Ratings wise, by the way, I was just I did

0:26:26.160 --> 0:26:27.960
<v Speaker 1>a deep dive on this. I was kind of interested

0:26:28.920 --> 0:26:32.159
<v Speaker 1>because Dancing with the Stars is doing so well, and

0:26:32.200 --> 0:26:34.639
<v Speaker 1>I say well as a relative term these days, because

0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:38.240
<v Speaker 1>just ratings around the globe are just kind of dismal,

0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:41.800
<v Speaker 1>but Dancing with the Stars and Survivor are very much

0:26:41.840 --> 0:26:45.840
<v Speaker 1>at the top. Big Brother is still right there kind

0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:48.080
<v Speaker 1>of in that number three spot with a point five

0:26:48.280 --> 0:26:54.199
<v Speaker 1>seven three million viewers. Then you go down to Mass Singer,

0:26:55.119 --> 0:26:58.720
<v Speaker 1>which just debuted again, which I remember everybody just laughing

0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:00.480
<v Speaker 1>about that show that there's no way it was going

0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:03.520
<v Speaker 1>to work, and man, it really has hung on. At

0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:07.440
<v Speaker 1>the very bottom of the barrel is The Golden Bachelorette.

0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:11.800
<v Speaker 1>Some of the worst ratings the franchise has ever had.

0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:14.560
<v Speaker 2>It I think it was. I did see it started.

0:27:14.600 --> 0:27:15.840
<v Speaker 2>It was the worst premiere ever.

0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:18.560
<v Speaker 1>It started at a point two and it did go

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:22.240
<v Speaker 1>up to a point three, but still under three million viewers.

0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:24.560
<v Speaker 2>So that's at a point three in Dancing was it

0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:26.639
<v Speaker 2>a point seven? Yes, Oh that's a big difference.

0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:33.720
<v Speaker 1>Two wow. So it's really really bad, kind of a

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:39.480
<v Speaker 1>disaster for the franchise. But the overall, I would say

0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:43.280
<v Speaker 1>reality is strong, and you see some of the Pillars

0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Survivors still holding on doing what they do best. And

0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:49.679
<v Speaker 1>and I'm happy because Alfonso Roberto is hosting that with

0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:52.160
<v Speaker 1>Julianne and it's doing well. So dancing has come back.

0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:55.439
<v Speaker 1>So congrats to them for the resurgence. And Anna, did

0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:58.840
<v Speaker 1>they do it at your expense? They did? And you

0:27:58.880 --> 0:27:59.680
<v Speaker 1>should have known.

0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:15.359
<v Speaker 2>One last headline unless you have anymore. But Kristin Cavaleri

0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:18.000
<v Speaker 2>revealing this, I was going to surprise you with this.

0:28:19.400 --> 0:28:23.719
<v Speaker 2>She has broken up with Mark Estes. They broke up

0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:26.720
<v Speaker 2>after just seven months of dating. And you know, they

0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:30.800
<v Speaker 2>made headlines for their age gap. He is twenty four,

0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:33.439
<v Speaker 2>she is thirty seven. And we had talked about their

0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:37.000
<v Speaker 2>relationship a little bit because obviously we have an age gap.

0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:40.720
<v Speaker 2>But my rule is always I don't think age gap

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:43.200
<v Speaker 2>relationships should happen with people in their early twenties. Your

0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:45.880
<v Speaker 2>brain isn't even fully developed yet. And so am I

0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:47.120
<v Speaker 2>surprised that they broke up.

0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 1>No, he's a year older than our son. Think about that.

0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:54.960
<v Speaker 1>If my son, if Joshua came over and said, hey guy,

0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 1>Christi Cavaler, if josh came home, that puts it in perspective.

0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 1>They're thee and if he was dating a thirty seven

0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:05.200
<v Speaker 1>year old, I would really really need to know how

0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:07.880
<v Speaker 1>they met, what they have in common, This what this

0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:10.640
<v Speaker 1>relationship is based on. Because he's at a very he

0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:13.200
<v Speaker 1>just graduated college and he's starting his career. This guy,

0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:18.120
<v Speaker 1>I know he's a TikToker, but that's a very tough

0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:20.600
<v Speaker 1>thing to figure out what your relationship is going to

0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:21.040
<v Speaker 1>be based on.

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Look, the way that I always viewed it was this

0:29:24.120 --> 0:29:27.240
<v Speaker 2>was a bit of like a rebound starting to get

0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:31.600
<v Speaker 2>back into dating relationship for her post divorce, and no

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:33.240
<v Speaker 2>part of me is shocked that they broke up after

0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:34.120
<v Speaker 2>seven months.

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:36.800
<v Speaker 1>I have one more thing to quote to ask you about. Oh,

0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:43.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm very interested Taylor Swift and Travis Kelcey. You remember

0:29:43.760 --> 0:29:47.600
<v Speaker 1>the pack, the breakup pack that leaked allegedly that they

0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:50.160
<v Speaker 1>were going to break up on September twenty eighth.

0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:54.240
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it was like footage of an alleged PR document which.

0:29:54.200 --> 0:29:57.160
<v Speaker 1>Just reallyreaked a fake. Freaked a fake to me, Yes,

0:29:57.280 --> 0:29:58.080
<v Speaker 1>yeahreaked a fake.

0:29:58.120 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 2>I guess what PR company is going to put it

0:29:59.920 --> 0:30:03.240
<v Speaker 2>the top of a document secret and confidential Travis and

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:04.600
<v Speaker 2>Taylor breakup plan? Like what?

0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Welldon Lowrenzima, how come we haven't seen them together since

0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 1>September twenty eighth. She hasn't been to his games, she

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:14.560
<v Speaker 1>didn't go to his big acting debut of Grotesque ESK

0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 1>or whatever.

0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh the grotesque ye show.

0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:20.400
<v Speaker 1>She wasn't there. Allegedly she's getting ready to continue the

0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:23.640
<v Speaker 1>Era's tour and she's working, but she has not been

0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 1>around and we have not seen them. So at the

0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:29.640
<v Speaker 1>end of the day, is the joke on us.

0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:32.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, wouldn't it be silly once that leaked for them

0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:33.920
<v Speaker 2>to still break up September?

0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Contract's a contract, I guess. Oh wow, good guys. In

0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:40.960
<v Speaker 1>her defense, they're like, well, she wasn't at the game,

0:30:41.120 --> 0:30:43.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, in La against the.

0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:44.360
<v Speaker 2>City every game.

0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:47.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my god, she can't be the constant cheerleader. And

0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:49.760
<v Speaker 1>by the way, I didn't even watch that game. It

0:30:49.840 --> 0:30:52.920
<v Speaker 1>wasn't a great football game. So you can't expect her

0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:55.120
<v Speaker 1>to care about all of them. And I think it's

0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:56.720
<v Speaker 1>unfair to put that on her, like you need to

0:30:56.720 --> 0:30:58.640
<v Speaker 1>show up at everything, or he needs to show up

0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:01.400
<v Speaker 1>at everything for her. But it is funny that people

0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:04.800
<v Speaker 1>are the murmurs are like, well, you know, we haven't

0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 1>seen them since that alleged date.

0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:11.120
<v Speaker 2>She didn't go to the TV show premiere with him. Yeah,

0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 2>that's a little surprising because that feels like it's like

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:16.040
<v Speaker 2>a big job. Yeah, huh.

0:31:16.200 --> 0:31:18.040
<v Speaker 1>So there you go, just food for thought.

0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:23.520
<v Speaker 2>The seeds are planted, anything's possible, things possible. We'll see

0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:24.080
<v Speaker 2>what happens.

0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you everybody. We always love talking to you, and

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<v Speaker 2>we will talk to you next.

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<v Speaker 1>Time because we got a lot more to talk about.

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