1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: Chris Harrison and Lauren z MC company from the home 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: office in Austin, Texas. Hope everybody's having a good week. 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: We have a big week ahead. You and I are 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: about to take off to one of our favorite places 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: in the world, Monterey, California, Pebble Beach. Not to play golf. 7 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: Let's just say that. I know you guys think, Okay, 8 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: LZ's going out to play Pebble Beach again. We get it, 9 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: she loves golf. 10 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 2: No. 11 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: Actually, gosh, I'm trying to think if this is the 12 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: fifth or sixth time we're going to host the AIM 13 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: Mental Health Gala up there at Pebble Beach in Monterey. 14 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: And it's a wonderful, wonderful event that the last couple 15 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: of years you and I have been co hosting together. 16 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 2: Yes, you've hosted it longer than I've been part of 17 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 2: it with you. But it is the AIM Youth Mental 18 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: Health Organization. They do all sorts of great work with 19 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 2: the youth of California, help with suicide prevention, depression issues, education. 20 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 2: So a wonderful organization and you know, we're blessed the 21 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: gala is in yeah, one of our favorite cities in 22 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: the world, So we're going up there to support and 23 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 2: co host that. But before we get into doing good 24 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: in the world, let's just talk about some pop culture. 25 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 2: A lot of media do some escapist headlines. 26 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: We can talk about what we do best, which is 27 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: debate media stuff. And there was a big announcement last week. 28 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: Babe with Hot to Copy, the kind of pillar of 29 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: the NBC Today Show been there for god, she's been 30 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: there for decades. She's been crushing it one glass of 31 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: chardonnay after the next on the show. And so no, 32 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: it was a big news last week. And what I 33 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,559 Speaker 1: found interesting was she announced it obviously on her own terms, 34 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: but then it came out later well maybe this was 35 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: a contract. 36 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: Dispute, so I don't even know if i'd call it 37 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: a dispute. So ho to announce she's going to step 38 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: down in August. She said, you know, she's turning sixty 39 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: and that she wants to have more time with her children. 40 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: I think this might be one of those things of 41 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 2: two things can be true at once. Yes, like part 42 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 2: of that probably is true, but you know, it's hard 43 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: to leave sometimes when you've got a great, great gig, 44 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 2: and you're making great money, and you think, well, you know, 45 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: just one more year. I mean, I know you felt 46 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: that with The Bachelor. It's like one more contract negotiation, 47 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 2: a few more years. But there has also since that 48 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 2: announcement come out, and I'll give credit to Puck News, 49 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: one of my favorite sort of inside baseball media and 50 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 2: Hollywood news organizations on this. They have reported that it 51 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 2: might have been an issue with that Hodo was making 52 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 2: quote more than twenty million dollars per year at NBC 53 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: Good Lord and according to their sources that you know, 54 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 2: Hodo was very beloved there and they knew her value 55 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 2: to the brand, but that they wanted her to take 56 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: a pay cut. That it was made quote clear to 57 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 2: her agents that such stratospiric contracts were no longer justifiable 58 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: given the industries inexorable decline. And for perspective, Puck notes 59 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 2: that about a decade ago today averaged about five million 60 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 2: viewers GMA as well, and today audiences are about half that, 61 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: with two point something million viewers typically. So look, I 62 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 2: think two things can be true at once. That is 63 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: a staggering salary, it is, and if you think about 64 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: how like It's not like Hode is the only one 65 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: on the show. I mean Savannah Guthrie and multiple other people. 66 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 2: Still they're paying tens of millions of dollars in salary contracts, 67 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: And I completely understand how from a business perspective, they're 68 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 2: just like, we don't have the viewers, we don't have 69 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: the advertising dollars anymore. But then I've also been on 70 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 2: the other side of it, where as an employee, you're 71 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: looking at okay, but you guys are still making a 72 00:03:58,160 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: lot of money, and you're still spending a lot of 73 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: on a lot of things, and these numbers are still really, 74 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: really big. And so maybe it just became time for her, 75 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: of I'm going to go out on a high note. 76 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: I don't want to take a pay cut to be here. 77 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 2: I had been thinking about leaving to spend more time 78 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: with my family anyway, I mean sixty, She's been doing 79 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: this a long time. Yeah, And I will say I 80 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 2: have one just small personal story with Hoda, but I 81 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 2: met her briefly when we were both covering the Royal 82 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 2: wedding Harry and Meghan, and she was lovely and I've 83 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 2: never heard anything but lovely things about her. 84 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: Same. Yeah, So I've run into her a couple of 85 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: times and had some good conversations with her and could 86 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: not be exactly what you see on the morning show. 87 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,799 Speaker 1: She's just a real gem and a sweet woman. 88 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: I think that this everything I'm reading here seems true 89 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: to me. What's your take on. 90 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: I think you nailed it best. I think oftentimes in 91 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: today's media, maybe with social media, we want to believe. 92 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: It's like you hear a story and then you hear 93 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: another part of it and we think, Okay, that's the 94 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 1: story that oh my gosh, this was just a contract dispute. 95 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: But what Lauren said is so true. Think about your 96 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: own life. How often is one truth everything? It's multiple 97 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: things can be true at one time, and that's what 98 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: leads you to a decision. She was probably, you know, 99 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: himming and hawing over is this the time? And like 100 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: you said, it is so easy when that carrot is 101 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: dangled in front of you. I was going through that 102 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: at the time I left The Bachelor. I was in 103 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: the middle of a contract negotiation. I'm like, oh, man, 104 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: do I really want to sign on to this for 105 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: five more years? And you know, deep down no, I didn't. 106 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: But it's there and you feel like, well, i'd be 107 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: crazy not to because I'm not even I wasn't even 108 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: close to sixty, so I wasn't ready to retire anyway. 109 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: So I get where she is. Where she's like, Okay, 110 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: I'm sixty years old. I've been waking up at three 111 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: in the morning, driving into Manhattan every day, grinding this out, 112 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: and man, those morning shows. That is a tough haul. 113 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: But she's done it so well and she's so beloved, 114 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: So I get that there were probably two sides, and 115 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: maybe just that contract negotiation and them coming to or 116 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: made it a little bit easier to just say, you 117 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: know what, it's time to put a pin in this 118 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: and hand it off to the next generation and move on. 119 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 2: I think it's difficult but good to have that self 120 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 2: awareness too. Of would I like say she'd said yes, yes, Well, 121 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 2: then even though you love your job, you're going into 122 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: it with a different level of resentment. You're thinking, oh, 123 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 2: but I had kind of wanted to spend more time 124 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: with my kids. Oh but I'm tired, and now all 125 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 2: on top of that, I have an additional new resentment 126 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 2: of I don't really feel like they're paying me what 127 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 2: I'm worth here and what I had before, And so 128 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 2: then you're kind of doing your job through a different 129 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: lens and with a different chip on your shoulder. And 130 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 2: then do you become worse at the work and do 131 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 2: you start to get angry at something that you used 132 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 2: to love? And that's a dangerous road to go down, 133 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: But like you just said, it's an easy road to 134 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: fall down because of it's a great job, and it's 135 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 2: you know, you're still making good money, and it's a 136 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 2: job that everybody wants. When you have this job that 137 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 2: people generally think seems really glamorous and aspirational, I always 138 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 2: called it the glittery hamster wheel. Like you're on this 139 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: hamster wheel and you're like, I'm running on it, and 140 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 2: maybe at first you're enjoying it and you're feeling good 141 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: and you're on a runner's high, and then you're thinking, wait, 142 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 2: I'm still running on this wheel, But do I get off? 143 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: And it's really glittery and shiny and everyone's looking at it, 144 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 2: But am I actually enjoying being on this? 145 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: I the best some of the best business advice I 146 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: ever got was very early on. I was twenty three 147 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: years old. I was signing I think my first contract 148 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: at KWATV and Oklahoma City, the CBS affiliate and the 149 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,239 Speaker 1: late great mentor of mine, Bill Tiggans, pulled me aside 150 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: because I'm like, you know, should I negotiate it? He's like, look, 151 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: the best advice I can give you is, don't ever 152 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: sign a contract that you don't really fully believe in 153 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: with your heart. And to that point, if you don't, 154 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: you will come in every day with resentment in your 155 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: heart and you're not going to give it your all. 156 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: And you know what's funny is, so many years later 157 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: I was about to do that. I was about to 158 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: get involved with a contract where my heart wasn't in 159 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: it anymore and the resentment would be there. And so 160 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: that advice always stuck with me. I wish it had 161 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: been with me and that in that moment, But I 162 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: bet with Hoda it is that that that was the 163 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: bridge too far. Its like, I'm not going to come 164 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: in here and do something I love and have resentment 165 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: my heart anymore. And kudos to her for a a 166 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: great career. Congratulations. It's not the last we're going to 167 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: see of her. I'm sure she'll be doing other things, 168 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: but a beautiful career. If it is the end, God 169 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: bless her. That's said. To go out on your terms 170 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: is wonderful. 171 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 2: It's really hard to do. It's really hard to end 172 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 2: on a high note and to call it. And you know, 173 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: Puck was speculating, and I agree with them that we 174 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 2: might be seeing a little more of this in the 175 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 2: next few years. Those sort of stallwarts of like TV 176 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 2: News and Morning TV and all that saying goodbye, I 177 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 2: mean for very similar reasons. One it's like are they 178 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 2: aging out? And two these contracts are so I mean, 179 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: they make the point here that on GMA, their morning 180 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 2: team costs Disney more than seventy five million dollars. 181 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: Strahan and uh Roberts, Oh my god, they have insane salaries. 182 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: And like you said, the news, ABC News runs GMA, 183 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: and I'm sure NBC News runs the Today Show. Yeah, 184 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: it's really hard to justify those salaries in today's climate 185 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: of trying to get eyeballs. 186 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 2: I was thinking about this as well with the Ellen 187 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 2: Degenerous special got released on Netflix a couple days ago 188 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 2: on September twenty fourth. I think it premiered extra views, 189 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 2: very mixed reviews. I tried to watch it, you did, 190 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 2: I used to. I was a big fan of Ellen's 191 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,719 Speaker 2: stand up years ago, her Here and Now special, if 192 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 2: anyone has ever seen it on HBO. My sister and 193 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: I loved that special. We watched we were like young. 194 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 2: We watched it over and over again because it and 195 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 2: we could watch it because it was pretty clean humor. 196 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: You know, Ellen was known for that. The special is 197 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 2: like largely about like she jokes about the way light 198 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: bulbs are packaged and our voicemail voices and all this 199 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: really family friendly stuff. So our parents let us watch it, 200 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 2: and I thought, you know, I don't even really care 201 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 2: how much Ellen like addresses the cancel her being canceled 202 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 2: kind of thing. I just wanted to see if she 203 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 2: had to get another good stand up special. So I 204 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 2: tried to watch it, and probably like everybody today, I 205 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: gave it about fifteen minutes and I wasn't really laughing, 206 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 2: and so I thought, Okay, I'm gonna turn this off. 207 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 2: You know, I'm I'm not really laughing, I'm gonna go 208 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:43,719 Speaker 2: And so I didn't even get to the part where 209 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: she talked about her career and everything that had happened. Really, 210 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 2: but one thing that I take away from that is 211 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: whatever you go through in your career ups and downs. 212 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 2: In this industry and maybe in any industry, it's all 213 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 2: about what kind of content you try to come back with, 214 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 2: Like Will Smith after the slap. I don't think Will 215 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 2: Smith is fully back. I don't he hasn't really done 216 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,719 Speaker 2: an interview. I think there's still a lot of controversy 217 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 2: around that. In the moment, I thought that that whole 218 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 2: moment was horrifying the fact that he physically assaulted someone 219 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 2: on stage and then everybody in the room was still 220 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 2: okay with him getting up and giving a speech and 221 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 2: accepting an award. It was wild to me, and I 222 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 2: get that in the moment, it was probably you know, 223 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 2: you're having a live show and it's hard to make 224 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 2: the right decision and it's very stressful. But it wasn't 225 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 2: the right decision for him to go up there. But 226 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 2: what he has come back with was he had the 227 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 2: new Bad Boys movie this summer, and at the end 228 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 2: of the day, it was a good movie. I guess 229 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 2: people went to see it. It did huge box office and 230 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 2: he made a movie that people enjoyed. So do I 231 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 2: think that that is like step one on him maybe 232 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 2: coming back, Yes, because now he can point to well, 233 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 2: the most recent thing I did was a hit movie Ellen. 234 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 2: I don't think This Special is that hit. I don't 235 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: think it was funny and I don't think it was 236 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 2: like it makes me sad because I don't think Look, 237 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 2: whatever you want to think about Ellen. I do think 238 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 2: some of that was true about the way that she 239 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 2: treated people, but I also think she made great strides 240 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 2: for the gay community. She had a great hit sitcom, 241 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 2: she was very funny, and she did do a lot 242 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: of good things over the years. So she's, you know, 243 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 2: a mixed and dynamic person, but she is not going 244 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 2: out on the note the way that Hoda is. Yeah, 245 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 2: and that is kind of sad. 246 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: It's hard to Yeah, it's hard to go out on top. 247 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: It's hard to go out your way. As you've always said, 248 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: things in for a reason and usually when they end, 249 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 1: it's not because of a good thing. And so it 250 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: is very rare in sports. 251 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 2: If something's ending, it's not usually not for a good reason. 252 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: And sports, in any industry, you look at how many 253 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: people go out on top, and there's very few that 254 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: go out like, you know, like our friend Andrew Whitworth. 255 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: It's like I won a Super Bowl, I'm done. I'm 256 00:12:58,320 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: going to go into the Hall of Fame. 257 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 2: Play. 258 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, John Elway did this. Uh and now you see 259 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: it in movies and all that's like do you hang 260 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: on for that last fight? And you're like, oh, like 261 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: I didn't need to see Jordan in a Washington Wizard's jersey. 262 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 2: They have come back again. No, no, he should. But 263 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 2: but look now he's going to have another career as 264 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 2: a broadcaster. 265 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: By the way, noe to since we're talking media, we 266 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: are a month into this now. He's done four or 267 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: five games, remarkably gotten better market. Yes, quick, Learner are 268 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: doing good? You know, are you? You critiqued him, Yeah, 269 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: I critiqued him, and he's he had a lot of 270 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: work to do and he's done it. He found his voice, 271 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: he found his cadence, he found his rhythm. He's got 272 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: his confidence. He just needed to needed that. You know, 273 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: we call it happy feet when you're in the pocket 274 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: and you're kind of unsure as a quarterback. He's settled 275 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 1: down now. But look, I also think that when you're 276 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: talking about astronomical salaries, he got one. And is anybody 277 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: watching a game because you might hear the Tom Brady's 278 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: on it. That's that's what I think Fox Sports or 279 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: whoever his whip is going. 280 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 2: To find out his salary is a sportscaster. 281 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you look it like interesting, it's yeah, 282 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: it was over three hundred million or something. Just absolutely 283 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: insane that I just can't fathom that that sports will 284 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: ever get back. And I don't know how it was 285 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: structured or whatever, but the numbers that was that were 286 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: in the headlines were amazing. But as much as I 287 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: like Tom Brady and he's doing a good job, I 288 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: don't look. 289 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 2: First Sports illustrated. I'll just interrupt you to give this 290 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 2: number because it's more than either of us realized. 291 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,359 Speaker 1: He was three seventeen or something. 292 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: For a ten year contract with Fox, which wild to 293 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 2: sign on for ten years. That's a long time contract. 294 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: I think they did it so they could disperse that money. 295 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: He'll he'll probably not do it for ten years. 296 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: But three, well, Tom, three one hundred and seventy five 297 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 2: million dollars. 298 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: Good lord. 299 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 2: And see that's why when people are rena go siating 300 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: like Hoder or whoever. Like I said, on the one hand, 301 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 2: of twenty million dollars a year salary seems wild, and 302 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 2: on the other hand, they're sitting here saying, but look 303 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 2: how much money you have still overall, even though you're 304 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 2: saying the industry's declining. I see it both ways. 305 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's you know, I don't know anybody, any 306 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: of my friends, any or women who think, hey, I 307 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: wonder what game tom Brady's doing, I'm going to watch 308 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: that game. So like, no, I'm from Dallas, I'm gonna 309 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: watch the Cowboys, or oh tom Brady's doing that, or 310 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: Tony Romo's doing it. I'm not going to turn a 311 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: game hon Or off because of the announcer. That's That's 312 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: going to be the interesting thing with Tom Brady. I 313 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: think though that he was a property that everyone just 314 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: felt like, we're not sure exactly how it's going to 315 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: pay up, but we just need to own the greatest 316 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: of all time. He's for sale. Let's buy him to Yeah, 317 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: I get it, but I don't get it. 318 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 2: Do you have the sense with how much better he's gotten, 319 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 2: even in a short amount of time, that he will 320 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 2: be one of those because I know you have every Elliston. 321 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 2: I know this about sports. Guys have their whoever like sports, 322 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 2: have their commonators that they like to like, hear their 323 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 2: opinion on things. Is he going to be one of 324 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 2: those people. Is are you going to want the Tom 325 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 2: Brady take on things or is it just site? You 326 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, no in sight versus opinion. 327 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: I don't, you know, he's not a Colin Cowhert or 328 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: something like that, where I love Collin's opinions and watch 329 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: him and I think he has a good take. Tom 330 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: Brady isn't like I have a hot take. And honestly, Tom, yeah, 331 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: And honestly, what's more important in sports is the play 332 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: by play guy. That's the you know, the color analyst 333 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: that and I think there's some good ones out there. 334 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: Traeikman is going to be on tonight with Joe Buck. 335 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: I think that's a great team. And you have some 336 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: other ones with Tom Brady, have Tony Romo and guys 337 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: that you know, these guys that have left the field 338 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: and they do a great job. But the play by 339 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: play guy, the al Michaels of the World's the Joe Bucks, 340 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: the uh, you know, Bob Costas was a classic one 341 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: back in the day. Those are the guys. Mike Trico 342 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: is another great one right now, They really their voice 343 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: is the voice of the highlight, right They're the one 344 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: calling the game. They're in the activity that excitement. Yeah, 345 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: and so they're the. 346 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 2: Ones getting down the field. 347 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: Is that it was it nineteen forty Yes, Hell, he's 348 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: running down the field. 349 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 2: In my mind the highlight eyes like that trans Atlantic 350 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 2: look at their. 351 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: Gams on that one. 352 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 2: There I go. 353 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: You just listen to the Kentucky Derby in nineteen thirty seven. 354 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 2: Like my most recent sports movies are like, what's that? 355 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 2: What's the no crying in baseball? 356 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: Oh? Their own with Tom Hanks. 357 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 2: I do want to say one thing about the Ellen 358 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 2: thing though, because I said it's kind of sad before, 359 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 2: and I do want to give this perspective and my way, 360 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 2: did you you? You were on Allen many times, so 361 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 2: here's but you didn't have bad experience. 362 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: I have such mixed feelings about Ellen because I'm biased. 363 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: I like Ellen. I was on her show gosh if 364 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: I'm just guessing a dozen times, and even when the 365 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: late Great Twitch her DJ DJ, he was off and 366 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: I did a fill in thing where I was like 367 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: I would dress people were coming on dressed up, and 368 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: I dressed up as a panda and I sat in 369 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: twitches like DJ, and she would try to guess throughout 370 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 1: the show who the DJ was, and so I did 371 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: stuff like that for Ellen. I did a bunch of 372 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: like little vignettes for her. 373 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 2: She was very into the Bachelor world. 374 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: She was very into the Bachelor world. And then we 375 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: kind of befriended each other. We played we were in 376 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: a poker game together. We played poker together a few times, 377 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: and we just every time we ran into each other. 378 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: I found her very friendly. She was very kind to me. 379 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: We had a relationship on the air, but a little 380 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: bit of a relationship off the air. So I've always 381 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: been a little biased that I have been a fan 382 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: of Ellen. 383 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 2: But that's true, and that's what I mean. I'm like, 384 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 2: I don't and when you're someone that big, again, all 385 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 2: these things can be true and it doesn't make her 386 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 2: inherently a bad person, Like I don't think Ellen's evil, 387 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 2: you know when people and I think people tried to 388 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 2: paint her that way. 389 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: And people need the either or thing. 390 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just want to add the note of 391 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 2: even though I didn't love this latest special from the 392 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 2: parts I watched, we still don't know how Ellen will 393 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 2: be remembered overall. Like by that, I mean time changes everything, 394 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 2: Like you know, think of like how a movie can 395 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 2: be called a cult classic. Like maybe when the movie 396 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 2: came out it bombed to the box office, but then 397 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: over the years people created the spandom and realized, oh wait, 398 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 2: that was actually a great movie, and now they quoted 399 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 2: and it's beloved. We don't know. Ellen's career spanned decades. 400 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 2: She did a sitcom, she did Finding Nemo Movies, she 401 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 2: did her show, her talk show. So I just think 402 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 2: we're going to need more time to see and I 403 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 2: predict that in the future we'll look back and people 404 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 2: will have more fondness and they will say that that 405 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 2: little blip of the ending of it, doesn't she That's 406 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 2: not how it will be. 407 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: She was a groundbreaker and innovator, breaking into the late 408 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: night shows and then and it's kind of. 409 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 2: Fair to me to take away all of the bravery 410 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 2: that she had, Yeah, announcing she was gay on television 411 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 2: and getting show canceled over it. I don't want to 412 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 2: take that moment from her. 413 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,479 Speaker 1: It was incredible, And look, she was an innovator. We 414 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: were all looking for the next Oprah, and she stepped 415 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: into those shoes in a very different way, found her 416 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: own her own beat. Everyone tried to be Oprah. Instead, 417 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: Ellen became Ellen and had a successful, you know, talk show, 418 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: which is virtually impossible to do and make it successful. 419 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: So I've always been a fan. She was always good 420 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: to me and good to the franchise, and so I've 421 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: always been a little biased in that regard, and so 422 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 1: I wish her well and I will remember her fondly 423 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: as a pretty good poker player too. There was a 424 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: little bit of controversy on Dancing with the Stars. Did 425 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: you see this with Anna Delvi? 426 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 2: I saw the briefest of clips. I have not been 427 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 2: watching this season, but Anna Delvey, the infamous alleged scammer, 428 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 2: well convicted, convicted of st I get you know, I'm 429 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 2: always careful. 430 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: I want to this was legit. She was convicted. 431 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 2: So she's on the show, but did not make it 432 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 2: very long. I don't think the season has been airing 433 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 2: that long. And she was eliminated. Yeah, and walk us 434 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 2: through what she said? 435 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: Well, she she basically had this quote at the end 436 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: where they, you know, I think it was Julian Huff 437 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: They give the brief goodbye, Yeah, the brief goodbye. 438 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 2: It's do you have any words about the show, And she's. 439 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: Like, you know, do you have any takeaways or do 440 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: you have any words? 441 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 2: What did the show teach you? 442 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: Yeah? Nothing? 443 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 2: She literally said, quote nothing and the show ended. 444 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: And now you know, she has kind of come out 445 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: and said the show used her. I painted her in 446 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: a bad light. They just used her for ratings. 447 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. What does she think being on this show? Is? 448 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: Well? What's funny is and bless her heart, I think 449 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: she's kind of so delusional that she actually believes she's like, well, 450 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: the reason I didn't stay on and people like Eric 451 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: Roberts and others that got worse scores than I did, 452 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: my viewers and my fans, my people are younger. 453 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 2: Maybe she doesn't realize. I don't think she has a fandom. 454 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,719 Speaker 2: I think she has people interested in the drama of 455 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 2: the story that she created and what she did, and 456 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 2: it's salacious. But that's different than having fans. 457 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: ABC isn't going to do anything if it's not for ratings. 458 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: That's the point. Dancing with the Stars is having, by 459 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: the way, a resurgence. It's having one of its best 460 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: ratings years in quite some time. The last week's ratings 461 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: were a point seven six four point eight million, That 462 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: is just above Survivor as the number one show. Survivor 463 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: does a point seven to two with four point four million. 464 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: That is staggering, huge numbers. And so Anna, you were 465 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: a part of feeding that flame. Your scandal was a 466 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: part of that. I think maybe she thought this is 467 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: going to be a big redemption to her and people 468 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: are going to fall in love with me as I 469 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: dance around with my anklet. She has to wear a 470 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: she's at home whatever. 471 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 2: Home monitor, which was a brilliant move. Now I can 472 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 2: hear in her. I'm reading a quote here from she 473 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 2: was on Tory's Spellings podcast and she said that you 474 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 2: guys told me what I'm supposed to do. I tried 475 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 2: to do it, and then I was still rejected. And 476 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 2: I'm taking away nothing. This is what I'm taking away 477 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 2: from it because your advice was worthless. The advice did 478 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 2: not pay off for me, even though I tried to 479 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: follow it. So you tell me what you're hearing in that, 480 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 2: because what I'm hearing in that is I can hear 481 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 2: the producers telling her this is going to be a 482 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 2: redemption story for you, like you can win over the 483 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 2: hearts of America. 484 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And so I know what I'm telling her 485 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: I do know. Okay, look, I'll defend her in this. 486 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: I know how it was sold to you. Anna, I 487 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: know what they told you. But whoever your people are 488 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: around you, you have to be more savvy than that. 489 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: You were coming on for one reason. And if you've 490 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: if you've ever seen the show, and she claims she's 491 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: never really seen the show before, which that's on you. 492 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: Then it's been on for twenty years. 493 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 2: Do you research? 494 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's on you. They weren't going to paint you 495 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: as this great redemption story. That's not what it was about. 496 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: You're a convicted felon, so that was the story. But 497 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: I will also say this they needed because that's the 498 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: thing with days, with the stories. It can't all be 499 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: great stories. 500 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 2: Well, and they can't all be the same type of person. 501 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 2: But here's the thing. They're not going to shine a 502 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 2: gentle spotlight on you. But I will say this, and 503 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: I haven't seen how they painted or I haven't seen 504 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 2: the packages, so I guess I didn't do my research 505 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 2: on this one. But the redemption story is also on 506 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 2: you to show that you want to be redeemed. Like 507 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 2: another thing I'm not hearing in these quotes that she's 508 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 2: saying yeah, and hey, look she's staying on her own brand. 509 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 2: But she is, like she said, quote that the show 510 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 2: is a waste of time. She said, it is what 511 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 2: it is, and it's fine. I never had high expectations 512 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 2: on the show for myself. Well okay, I mean, if 513 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 2: you're going to treat it that way, like for it 514 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 2: to be a redemption story, one, they are selling it 515 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 2: to you that way, and so they're selling it. But 516 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 2: if you want it to be that, you have to 517 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 2: create that too, Like you have to be vulnerable and 518 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 2: dig in and open up and show that you're sorry. 519 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 2: And I don't know that she's done that. And that 520 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 2: can go either way. Either she could have shown she 521 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 2: was sorry and really gotten something off the show, or 522 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 2: she's going to stay on Brandon's Annadelvi and people will 523 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 2: like laugh about her wild comments, just like we're doing now, 524 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 2: and maybe that'll. 525 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: Take her something, I mean a little bit in her defense. 526 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: You know, I think everybody has this idea when you 527 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: go on reality TV that you have any amount of 528 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 1: say and how your power, any power or any say, 529 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: and how you're being portrayed. I'm sure she probably gave 530 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: it the first week to see, oh, you know, they're 531 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 1: asking me these questions, and I'm she may very well 532 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: may have in all those interviews with the producers been 533 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: very contrite, very loving, very glowing about Dancing with the Stars. 534 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: They took it in the direction they wanted to. The 535 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: producers decide how you're going to be portrayed. Every reality 536 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: show is the same. This isn't just on ABC, but 537 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: I know ABC does this. They're going to portray you 538 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: how they want. And so your videos, what your dancers 539 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: are saying, how the judges talk about you, all that 540 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: has been decided by producers. So look, the deck was 541 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: stacked again. But she should have known that coming in 542 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: she was going to have to do a thousand times 543 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: more to be have any sort of redemption. We've seen 544 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: this season for twenty years. You knew what was going 545 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: to happen. So Anna, you know, buyer beware and just 546 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: coming in saying claiming ignorance. That doesn't fly with me, 547 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: you know now in reality TV, and she should know. 548 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: Ratings wise, by the way, I was just I did 549 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: a deep dive on this. I was kind of interested 550 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: because Dancing with the Stars is doing so well, and 551 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: I say well as a relative term these days, because 552 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: just ratings around the globe are just kind of dismal, 553 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: but Dancing with the Stars and Survivor are very much 554 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: at the top. Big Brother is still right there kind 555 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: of in that number three spot with a point five 556 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 1: seven three million viewers. Then you go down to Mass Singer, 557 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: which just debuted again, which I remember everybody just laughing 558 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: about that show that there's no way it was going 559 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: to work, and man, it really has hung on. At 560 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: the very bottom of the barrel is The Golden Bachelorette. 561 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: Some of the worst ratings the franchise has ever had. 562 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 2: It I think it was. I did see it started. 563 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 2: It was the worst premiere ever. 564 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: It started at a point two and it did go 565 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: up to a point three, but still under three million viewers. 566 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 2: So that's at a point three in Dancing was it 567 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 2: a point seven? Yes, Oh that's a big difference. 568 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: Two wow. So it's really really bad, kind of a 569 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: disaster for the franchise. But the overall, I would say 570 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: reality is strong, and you see some of the Pillars 571 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: Survivors still holding on doing what they do best. And 572 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 1: and I'm happy because Alfonso Roberto is hosting that with 573 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: Julianne and it's doing well. So dancing has come back. 574 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 1: So congrats to them for the resurgence. And Anna, did 575 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: they do it at your expense? They did? And you 576 00:27:58,880 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: should have known. 577 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 2: One last headline unless you have anymore. But Kristin Cavaleri 578 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 2: revealing this, I was going to surprise you with this. 579 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,719 Speaker 2: She has broken up with Mark Estes. They broke up 580 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 2: after just seven months of dating. And you know, they 581 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 2: made headlines for their age gap. He is twenty four, 582 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 2: she is thirty seven. And we had talked about their 583 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 2: relationship a little bit because obviously we have an age gap. 584 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 2: But my rule is always I don't think age gap 585 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 2: relationships should happen with people in their early twenties. Your 586 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 2: brain isn't even fully developed yet. And so am I 587 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 2: surprised that they broke up. 588 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: No, he's a year older than our son. Think about that. 589 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: If my son, if Joshua came over and said, hey guy, 590 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: Christi Cavaler, if josh came home, that puts it in perspective. 591 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: They're thee and if he was dating a thirty seven 592 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: year old, I would really really need to know how 593 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: they met, what they have in common, This what this 594 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: relationship is based on. Because he's at a very he 595 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: just graduated college and he's starting his career. This guy, 596 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: I know he's a TikToker, but that's a very tough 597 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: thing to figure out what your relationship is going to 598 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: be based on. 599 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 2: Look, the way that I always viewed it was this 600 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 2: was a bit of like a rebound starting to get 601 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 2: back into dating relationship for her post divorce, and no 602 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 2: part of me is shocked that they broke up after 603 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 2: seven months. 604 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: I have one more thing to quote to ask you about. Oh, 605 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: I'm very interested Taylor Swift and Travis Kelcey. You remember 606 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: the pack, the breakup pack that leaked allegedly that they 607 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: were going to break up on September twenty eighth. 608 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 2: Yes, it was like footage of an alleged PR document which. 609 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: Just reallyreaked a fake. Freaked a fake to me, Yes, 610 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: yeahreaked a fake. 611 00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 2: I guess what PR company is going to put it 612 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 2: the top of a document secret and confidential Travis and 613 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 2: Taylor breakup plan? Like what? 614 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: Welldon Lowrenzima, how come we haven't seen them together since 615 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: September twenty eighth. She hasn't been to his games, she 616 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: didn't go to his big acting debut of Grotesque ESK 617 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: or whatever. 618 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 2: Oh the grotesque ye show. 619 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: She wasn't there. Allegedly she's getting ready to continue the 620 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: Era's tour and she's working, but she has not been 621 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: around and we have not seen them. So at the 622 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: end of the day, is the joke on us. 623 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 2: Well, wouldn't it be silly once that leaked for them 624 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 2: to still break up September? 625 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: Contract's a contract, I guess. Oh wow, good guys. In 626 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: her defense, they're like, well, she wasn't at the game, 627 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: you know, in La against the. 628 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 2: City every game. 629 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, my god, she can't be the constant cheerleader. And 630 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: by the way, I didn't even watch that game. It 631 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: wasn't a great football game. So you can't expect her 632 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: to care about all of them. And I think it's 633 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: unfair to put that on her, like you need to 634 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: show up at everything, or he needs to show up 635 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: at everything for her. But it is funny that people 636 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: are the murmurs are like, well, you know, we haven't 637 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: seen them since that alleged date. 638 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 2: She didn't go to the TV show premiere with him. Yeah, 639 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 2: that's a little surprising because that feels like it's like 640 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 2: a big job. Yeah, huh. 641 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: So there you go, just food for thought. 642 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 2: The seeds are planted, anything's possible, things possible. We'll see 643 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 2: what happens. 644 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: Well. 645 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 2: Thank you everybody. We always love talking to you, and 646 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 2: we will talk to you next. 647 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: Time because we got a lot more to talk about. 648 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at the most 649 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: dramatic pod ever and make sure to write us a 650 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: review and leave us five stars. I'll talk to you 651 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: next time.