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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Monday, December first, and for

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Speaker 1: the first time, the US government is acknowledging that the

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Speaker 1: COVID vaccine killed American children. The reaction from the medical

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Speaker 1: community prove it, and with that, welcome to this episode

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Speaker 1: of Amy and TJ. Roades. We saw this headline over

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Speaker 1: the weekend, and we knew a lot of people are

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Speaker 1: going to miss it because of the holiday weekend. But

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Speaker 1: this is jarring. They are saying, flat out, our government

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Speaker 1: is that the COVID vaccine is directly responsible for killing kids.

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Speaker 1: This is going to freak people out.

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Speaker 2: Yes, who wouldn't have otherwise died. And they're saying that

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Speaker 2: that actually is a low estimate if you read this

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Speaker 2: full memo, which we did, and it becomes more and

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Speaker 2: more frightening as you get into the details that were released.

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Speaker 2: But yes, they are claiming that that is a conservative number.

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Speaker 1: What you said just said, it's frightening. It's frightening if

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Speaker 1: it's true, But the most frightening part might be if

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Speaker 1: it's not true.

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Speaker 3: I was just gonna say it's frightening either way.

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Speaker 1: It says dangerous and irresponsible what they have done with

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Speaker 2: Now absolutely because this isn't just them announcing, hey, it

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Speaker 2: looks like the COVID nineteen vaccine killed children, but they

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Speaker 2: are also putting out there that they plan to change.

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Speaker 3: The review and approval process for this vaccine.

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Speaker 1: And do you have fair We're going to get into, folks.

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Speaker 1: This memo, this memo that was sent by the essentially

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Speaker 1: course it is.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he said he thought that this memo, among others,

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Speaker 2: should remain private. And that's hilarious because once you say

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Speaker 2: something as controversial as this memo says, and then say,

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Speaker 2: a hilarious thought that he believed that would actually happen.

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Speaker 1: Don't we all do that? If somebody pools you to

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Speaker 1: the first thing you're thinking is old, who can I tell?

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Speaker 1: That's what he does in eighth what they say that

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Speaker 1: several pays three thousand word memo where he lays all

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Speaker 1: this stuff out. So, yes, what we're talking about focus

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Speaker 1: It's not they just said it. They are actually saying

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Speaker 1: they're going to change and using this now as their

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Speaker 1: to possibly change vaccine approval processes in this country. And

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Speaker 1: this has far reaching ramifications. But is this really should

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Speaker 1: we be surprised? Isn't this this continued assault on vaccines

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Speaker 2: Well, and this has been the concern among medical professionals

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Speaker 2: how we review, how we recommend vaccines. So he is

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Speaker 2: that is what is scary, and that is why we

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Speaker 2: have seen countless resignations in this specific agency, but throughout

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Speaker 1: And I think we're all on board with we want

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Speaker 1: There have been safeguards in place for a long time

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Speaker 1: the COVID vaccine. What we don't know. What they didn't include,

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Speaker 1: Robes is the age of these children, what their backgrounds

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Speaker 2: Or the children's medical history, which is what a lot

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Speaker 3: We don't know what.

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Speaker 2: These kids' health were before they received this vaccine. We

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Speaker 1: So they drew their own conclusions. So what is the

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Speaker 1: now is saying that there is none. They actually are saying,

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Speaker 2: And certainly what we saw on this memo was not

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Speaker 1: So we asked, then why would they do this, Why

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Speaker 1: So this was such a headline, it was such a

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Speaker 2: This is among This is among them, and this is

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Speaker 2: other parents you're talking to having a mixed review, and

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Speaker 2: now you're deciding whether or not to vaccinate your child

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Speaker 2: with all of these confusing headlines. Without a medical degree,

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Speaker 2: I just I'm very happy that this wasn't all circulating

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Speaker 3: It's a scary thought because.

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Speaker 2: We shouldn't be making choices like this without correct information.

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Speaker 2: And do we have correct information, we don't know.

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Speaker 1: The problem with all of this robes is that the

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Speaker 3: It vaccine, because that's a part of this as well.

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Speaker 1: Because you hear vaccine now, and every parent is going

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Speaker 1: they're going to get ill, which means they're possibly going

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Speaker 2: And I grew up in a household with my dad

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Speaker 1: So the evidence, so we still have to We haven't

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Speaker 2: So I could understand my self.

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Speaker 1: They didn't say who was reporting these things? So aga,

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Speaker 1: We knew this was happening Rose, but the meeting is

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Speaker 2: So we will stay on top of this. But thank

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Speaker 3: Robock alongside DJ Holmes. We will talk to you soon