WEBVTT - The Hunt For Phillies “Karen” 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:05.440 Hey there, folks. It is Sunday, September the seventh, and 0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:10.440 we have a Phillies Karen. That is what she's being called. 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:14.920 That is the person that everyone is directing their ire 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:17.040 towards these days. But we are going to try and 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:21.759 to find a way right now to defend Phillies Karen. 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:25.000 And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:28.000 TJ Robes. You have been looking at this video repeatedly 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:29.800 right before we came on and got in front of 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:30.480 these mics. 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:34.560 Yeah, and when you said we're going to defend I'm 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:35.879 gonna take issue with that. 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:37.440 You're already backing away from it. 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:37.720 Oh. 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:39.519 I never agreed to defend her. 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:42.000 You are separating yourself from this woman immediately. 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:45.919 Yes, okay, because I thought from what I saw, it 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:51.640 was just it was awful and it actually made me 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:53.080 feel sick to my stomach to watch. 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:54.480 It was gross. 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:57.680 That's what I wanted to ask. Can you give me 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:00.800 an emotional reaction? We can break down and elements of 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:02.560 what we see, what she should have done, couldn't have done, 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:06.760 But how did you feel look like an emotional reaction? 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:07.800 What was it anger? 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:11.880 Like? I actually felt like I wanted like and I 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:14.319 actually wanted to do, like I wanted to push her. 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:17.240 That's just it was like stop or you just want 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:19.120 to slap her, like what are you doing? Or like 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:21.560 maybe honestly, a really fun thing would have been to 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:23.759 do whilch is hold up a mirror, let her see 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:25.760 her face and what she was doing and how she 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:28.720 was acting like she couldn't see herself, and I'm now 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:31.640 the interesting thing is she can see herself if she 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:34.080 so chooses, because the video of her doing what she 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:35.880 did is everywhere. 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:38.160 And what does she think of it when she sees it? Folks, 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:42.639 Probably at this point you all have seen or heard 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:47.720 about what happened at a Philadelphia Phillies versus Florida Marlin's game. 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:50.800 This game was on Friday. The incident as we can 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:54.560 describe Philadelphia excuse me, yeah, yeah, Phillies player hits a 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:58.000 home run, goes into the second deck. Everybody scrambles for 0:01:58.040 --> 0:01:59.600 the home run ball. We have seen it happen a 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:03.880 million times, and people scramble for them and we'll see 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:06.520 who comes out with it. But it's always a mad scramble. Fine, 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:09.600 there was a scramble for a ball. A man comes 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:11.840 out with the ball, holds it up. You can tell 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.320 he's pretty proud that he got it, walks directly over 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:16.720 to his son and almost slams it down in his 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:19.480 son's glove. You could tell he was just so excited, 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:21.680 like he took no moment of joy with that ball 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:23.960 for himself. He went directly to his kid. 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:26.320 He couldn't wait slam, Yes, he couldn't wait. 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:30.760 Well, seconds later and the cameras stay on this moment, 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:34.120 this is all happening on live television. Seconds later, a 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:38.400 woman comes down the aisle to the man and immediately 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:40.920 starts berating him. Now we couldn't tell what she was 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:45.640 saying from the video. Initially berating the man, and he 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.960 frankly roes he was startled in a way that was 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:52.400 almost startling to see him jump in that way. He 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.400 looked like he had just gotten caught in the conjuring four. 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:56.880 Yeah, he recoiled. 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:58.880 He completely scared the hell out of here. 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:00.440 He was definitely scared. 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:03.040 His jaw kind of dropped and he pulled his hands 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:08.600 in a defensive motion. He was not expecting that at all, 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:12.520 So to me, that almost speaks volumes where we'll get 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:14.360 into who had the ball first or what. But she 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:17.360 claims she had the ball. There was no part of 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:19.760 him where it looked as though he knew or he 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:21.840 thought he had taken a ball from someone. He was 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:25.120 kind of like, wait what because he was so sure 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:27.560 that he had gotten the ball clean and fair. 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:29.200 You know, you're right. It looked like he was getting 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:31.560 caught up in real time about an incident that he 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:34.040 wasn't aware it took place. Correct, right, So she's yelling, 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:37.440 she's berating him. This goes on for ten plus seconds probably, 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:40.240 and he's trying to say something to her or explain 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:44.840 something to her, and then eventually he reaches into his 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:48.360 son's glove, takes it from his son, hands it to 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:50.800 the woman and kind of gestures and points and you 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:55.120 can tell, just go away, just get away. She goes 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:59.280 back to her seat. Now videos show up online and 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:04.200 robe she is getting handily and someone say, some would 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:06.120 say deservedly roasted. 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:06.920 She certainly is. 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:09.440 There were two girls I believe who were behind while 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.560 this was all happening and decided to record it on 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:17.360 their phones and immediately uploaded it. So within minutes this 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:22.320 thing was everywhere and obviously was on live national television 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.360 as well. So there were two different there were actually 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:26.839 several angles, so once you go online you can see 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:29.160 it from many, many, many different angles, and you can 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:30.920 actually hear her say you. 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:33.320 Took it from me. It was in my hands. 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:35.800 But people have gone back and looked at the video 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:39.560 from the actual ball coming in and they all go down, 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:42.040 so it's hard to see. But it was second. I mean, 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:44.760 it did not look like there was. There was no 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:49.040 struggle between or among There were three people who went 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.359 to go for the ball. There was another man, this woman, 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:55.760 this Karen, and then the man, the father, and. 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.680 He popped up with the ball in like a second. Yes, 0:04:58.960 --> 0:04:59.960 there was no struggle. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:01.880 That's a good point. He was not pulling it from anyone. 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:05.240 There was no scuffle. It looked like everybody was going 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.279 for something. He was the fast one. Yep, it's exactly 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:12.719 what it looks like. But still, even if her pinky 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.480 had touched the ball, she doesn't have the right to 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:17.359 the ball. This happens all the time. We've seen this 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.279 in court cases, right when people fight over home run 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:22.440 balls and who had it a home run ball, there's 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:25.560 worth millions of dollars somewhere who's in possession of it? 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:28.520 He is clearly he didn't take it from her. We 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.640 don't have to argue about that. But still we get 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:34.200 to this point so we can hear what she's saying, 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:38.440 and there's several angles. Everybody's going off on her. And 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.280 then what happens. She has a moment she could have 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:45.800 she could have gone and had a second thought, she didn't. 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:49.039 She ends up leaving the stadium, leaving the area in 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:52.919 short order, according to the dad, But the Marlins team 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:55.520 hears about it some kind of way. They bring him 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:57.560 out a goodie bag for the kid who was celebrating 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.640 his birthday. The home run hit her from the Phillies 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:05.039 meets him later gives them a signed bat. So all 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:07.680 of that, I know, we look at this and we 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:10.680 see we shake our heads and made what's wrong with us? 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:14.000 What's wrong with people? But then the reaction lets you know, oh, 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:15.440 people are actually really good. 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:18.279 Right. You might have one person who acted badly, but 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:21.920 the majority of the people are were on the side 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:23.800 of the dad and the son. And you know, the 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:26.040 reason why the Marlins saw it so quickly is because 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:29.000 those girls posted it immediately, and so word got around 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:33.240 very very very quickly. When it went viral, like within minutes, well. 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.479 In the dad said, well, yeah, it was shown in 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:36.120 the stadium. 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:36.440 True. 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:40.120 He said, people were booing incessantly at this woman. 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.840 Yeah, they were calling her a Karen from immediately. They 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:45.520 were calling her a Karen. She and that's probably why 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:50.920 she left, because there was actual visceral responses happening in 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:52.600 the stadium within moments. 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:54.800 The dad described as well later in an interview. We'll 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:56.760 tell you some more about his comments, but to that 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:59.400 exact moment, he said, there was a man sitting with 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:01.520 this woman. He said it might have been her husband, 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:03.920 but he had his head down. He was embarrassed, and 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.440 he was the one who got up previously. He got 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:08.760 up before she did and left. He didn't want any 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.560 to be near her. He said, she's got up and 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:13.840 start yelling and saying something nasty to him. So this 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:15.200 was kind of an ugly like you. 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.960 Should be on my side, you should be standing by me, 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:21.760 And he was like yeah, no, and yeah. Karen was 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:24.000 trending how quickly and it's still trending right now. 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:26.120 I mean this I haven't checked in the basket of 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:28.760 a lot. When I got up this morning, it was 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:34.520 still number one trending Karen about this woman. Now little 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:39.200 disturbing here is that one of the Google trending topics 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:44.960 was this Phillies Karen identity. Oh wow, people are trying 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:49.360 this was a specific Google trend, a top trend. Folks 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:51.200 are trying to find out who she is. 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:51.440 Now. 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:53.360 We are not going to say a name here on 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:57.040 this podcast, but there is a name or maybe a 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:59.320 name or two floating around. Not sure if they've got 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:02.280 it right or not, but whoever that person is is 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:06.760 getting a lot of heat their way. There are places 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:11.080 they believe she works are getting heat coming their way. 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:14.760 There have been some places of employment that have actually 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:20.080 put out statements saying that's not the Karen. That employee 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:21.880 is not who you think she is in having to 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:25.960 try and deny. So, I actually can't imagine. Look, she 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:30.480 behaved terribly in front of cameras, but I cannot imagine 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:35.640 what she is probably experiencing today. And yes, there are 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.400 tenacious folks who almost certainly will find. 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:38.880 Out who she is. 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:43.120 She had a very distinctive haircut and hair color and 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:46.440 a very distinctive and yes we all can see exactly 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:48.520 who or what she looks like. 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:50.040 So anyone who knows her is going. 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:54.480 To know that is who the mysterious Karen is on 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:56.839 the video, So it's just a matter of time if 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:58.440 they haven't already put it out there. 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:01.000 But what should we do with that? What should we 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:03.439 do with that information? What should we do with her? 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:04.120 Other than what? 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:06.920 No, we shouldn't want anything with that. No, I don't 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:08.880 want anything to happen to her. What should happen is 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:12.719 that hopefully she will learn from this, Hopefully she'll realize 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:15.800 how bad her behavior was. Hopefully she'll make amends. It 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:18.240 would be amazing if she apologized to the father and 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:20.440 the child. It would be amazing if she gave the 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:23.120 ball back, even though luckily the boy already got a 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:26.000 ball on a bat, but still from the principle of 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.080 the matter, and so that would be my hope that 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.480 she actually takes initiative to go do the right thing, 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:32.720 and not necessarily in front of cameras, but just behind 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.520 the scenes, repairs what she can, and then goes on 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:39.040 and becomes a better person. But for anyone to single 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:42.000 her out and somehow make her life miserable or hell 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:44.640 by saying or doing things about her online, then we're 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:46.839 just as bad as she is. You know. I just 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:50.840 would never want to encourage anyone to. That's just it's 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.040 not for us to decide. And frankly, I feel like 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:56.440 just all this attention in her circle, you know, it 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:58.880 doesn't matter if maybe even anything major happens or but 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:01.400 everyone who knows her is good to know. She's that woman. 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:03.880 She's gonna be called Karen for the rest of her life. 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:07.040 There's probably no way to avoid that. She is going 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:10.240 to suffer. She already is suffering the consequences. 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:17.040 I I always try to reserve a moment here for grace, 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.360 for allowing for somebody having a bad moment. And I 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:22.880 can't remember their names right now, but at the US 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:27.280 open the hat snatcher right, Yes, that incident for me 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.480 was easier right because it was a split second. It 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:32.080 was a split you don't get. You don't get a 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:35.240 moment to think about what happened, or should I He 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:37.280 saw the hat go and just snatched and got it 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:42.360 for his kit. Fine, this woman had time, she had 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:46.040 time to think, she had time to cool down, she 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:50.720 had time to reflect, She had time to do so much, 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:55.880 and so do you. Alcohol is not an excuse. I 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:57.400 didn't see her with a beer in her hand or 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:01.640 any other drink. But does it change anything. If you say, hey, 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:04.439 that's a that's a Phillies fan who is drinking at 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:07.800 a game. Should we go Ah? 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.280 Well, no, I think that that baby behavior needs to 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:12.280 be called out. But I don't think that she needs 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.600 to be in some way. I mean, I know they're 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:16.800 saying they want her band. People are asking for her 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:20.000 to be banned from the games permanently for life. People 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:21.400 are saying she should be arrested. 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:22.160 I don't. 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:25.080 I don't think it rises to that level. He chose 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:28.240 to give her back the hat, she chose to yell 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:30.400 at him. He chose to be the bigger man, and 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:32.600 that's amazing. There was a lesson in that for everybody. 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.640 But do you think do you think that behavior requires 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:37.480 further punishment. 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:41.160 Then she's getting Now? No, I just don't And I 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:45.360 don't know this woman. She might be an angel in 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:48.120 the rest of her life and just had a bad moment, 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:51.800 or she might be an awful person and everybody would 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:54.880 testify under oath that she is. I don't know. But 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.040 because I don't know, I'm trying to err on the 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:00.000 side that she just had a bad moment. I am 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:02.079 I'm I'm desperately trying to err on that side. Yep. 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:08.000 And it's hard to do, but there is robes one 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:13.000 one way I could go about possibly defending her, and 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:15.600 I will explain that in just a moment. And also 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:19.000 we do want you to hear what the dad said 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:23.359 in an extended interview he did with a local Philadelphia affiliate, 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:27.720 and again he reassures us that yes, maybe there are 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:40.480 some good people out there, all right, folks defending the indefensible. 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:42.800 If you have not seen the video yet of this, 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:46.640 do we even call her that? It even Phillies Karen. 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:47.959 I don't have another name for her. 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:50.600 Yes, I mean it kind of is like Jane Doe, 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.079 but now we know it's Philly's Karen. 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:59.000 Okayen, Yes, who barked her way into getting a home 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.800 run ball from a kid who was trying to celebrate 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:04.240 his tenth birthday. 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:06.960 Yes, that makes it even worse. 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:11.080 Celebrating his tenth birthday and she took a ball from him. 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:14.320 It's kind of a perfect birthday. You get a home 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:16.240 run ball. You can't beat that. 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.840 Well, now he's the talk of the town. He goes 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.720 back to school his birthday, everyone knows where he was 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:25.640 and everyone knows how he celebrated I mean, he did 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:28.920 get a bat, another ball, and a lot of attention, 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:29.480 which is great. 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:30.959 I'm not saying that he should have. 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:32.880 Had to go through what he went through, but I 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:34.640 do think it probably turned out to be one of 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:36.280 the most memorable birthdays of his life. 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:38.880 Sweet, you make a good point. The game was Friday. 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:41.880 Monday is going to be his first time to go 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:42.480 to school. 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:46.400 Since he's going to be he's gonna be like, yeah, 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:48.640 strutting back into school, that's cool. 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:52.880 I didn't ask you this, though. What would you have 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:54.320 done as that parent? 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:55.960 I would not have given her the ball? 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:57.600 What how would you have reacted? 0:13:57.800 --> 0:13:59.439 I would have said, Mammy, need to cal him down, 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:01.199 which would have made her even more angry. 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:02.560 You think you would have said it that calmly. 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:05.200 Yeah, I think so, because I would have seen that 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:07.560 she was so out of control and so out of 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:13.640 place and so not in the right that would have 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:16.680 actually given me the confidence to remain calm. I would 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:20.320 have almost laughed, like, you need to calm down. 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:24.920 I don't know why. I think you would have responded angrily. 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:27.080 Oh, I would have said you need to calm down, 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:31.680 but with a sneer. Yes, you, what would you have done. 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:36.040 I might have laughed, but knowing cameras, I would have 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:40.360 stood my ground, if you will, and dared this woman 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:44.240 to shout in the face of a grown man who 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:47.920 was not going to be physically intimidated by her. I 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.520 would have kept a smile on my face the whole time. 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:53.240 I probably would have taken the ball from my child 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:56.840 and I said, oh, this ball, Oh no, you're not 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:58.520 getting this one. If you want to get a last 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:00.000 look at it or anything, it's cool. 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:01.320 Yeah, we're going on a picture with it. 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.840 Maybe I would have gone sarcastically that far. 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:07.680 Yes, with that lady, I believe that, But neither one 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.640 of us would have given her the ball back. No, no, 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.880 I would not have either, absolutely not. Look and I 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:17.360 understand he wanted it just to go away and be done, 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:18.880 and I think he did. We'll get into what he 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:21.040 said about it, wanting to be a lesson for his son. 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:24.560 But I also, I think interestingly for me, I have 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:28.680 two girls, but I wouldn't have wanted them to see 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:31.280 you giving up or giving into someone who was being 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:34.560 a bully if they were completely in the wrong. I mean, 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:36.840 if there was some sort of dispute, I would be 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:38.680 willing to hear, but if I knew for a fact 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.880 that I got the ball fair and square, there's absolutely 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:44.160 no way I would want my daughters to see me 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:46.880 back down because someone was bullying bull And this. 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:50.400 Is not at all a criticism of the day in 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:52.880 the least because his point during the interview was that 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:55.840 the lesson in that moment he was trying to teach 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:59.600 was a de escalation. Yeah, and that's great. To de escalate, 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.600 to get this over with. This is how I'm going 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:05.000 to resolve it. And he did. He got it over with, 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:09.800 and it worked out sure for the kid. De escalation. 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:10.520 Yeah. 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:12.600 Actually, on one way to put my lesson would have 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:15.120 been sarcasm. And I don't think that's good. I think I. 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:19.320 Really, I think she's an a student in that actually, 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:22.600 But I do think it's interesting what he chose to 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:24.920 do versus what we would have done. He actually created 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:27.640 a better moment for his child in terms of because 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:29.880 he gave the ball back. That is why we saw 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:34.120 then the baseball team go above and beyond and give 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:37.720 him his due. It was a beautiful act of humility 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:41.280 and kindness. Honestly, in the moment that I wish I had, 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:43.840 I could say I would have possessed. But I'm pretty 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.440 sure I know me and I would not have done that. 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:48.680 And this is where I and we did it with 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.200 the US Open, and we've done it in stories past 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:55.560 when fans behaved badly. The tennis player meeting with that 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:58.400 kid that got his hat snatched and signing things and 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:01.960 all that. The Phillies and the Marlins, both teams came 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.159 to this kid's aid. This is where sports and teams 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:07.840 often just nail it, They really really get it right. 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.880 So I applaud both teams for doing what they did. 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.119 The dad did do an interview, a longer extended interview 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:19.480 with a local affiliate. Here were some of the takeaways. Again, 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:23.480 we talked about the de escalation. Here's a quote that's 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:27.520 kind of heartbreaking. Robes. That's what we were there for. 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.200 To get a home run ball. Putting it in his 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:31.320 glove meant a. 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:35.560 Lot on his birthday, on his tenth birthday, now, doesn't that? 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:38.280 Now we talked about that, he got to meet the 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:40.680 player and all these things. Now, what do you think? 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:43.600 That's a tough what if? But if you had that 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:46.920 moment with your son, like which moment was more valuable? 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.200 He was able to create that moment for your son, 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.359 got you a home run ball, he goes homes your 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:55.400 tenth birthday and everything's great, or the alternative, he has 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:58.960 to meet this woman, but then blessings come out of it. 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:00.560 Let that be a lesson to that's all right. 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:03.680 Yeah, And he did the thing that actually was. 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:06.800 The like the christ like thing to do. He just 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:10.080 gave it back to her and blessings and blessings came. 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.080 And and I do think that there's a lesson in 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:14.160 that because I again, I you know, I just don't 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:16.639 think I would have made that same choice. And I 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:18.119 think he made the right choice. I think it was 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:22.119 a beautiful choice that he made. And even knowing how 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:24.159 much it meant to his son to have been able 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:27.680 to do it in that moment, that's that's a big deal. 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:30.959 The other thing he said during the interview, and this 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:34.159 is where humility or I'm just blown away, to be 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:38.480 honest with you, sometimes the kindness of people. But he 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:40.879 said that two other fans, well I didn't know this, 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:42.800 came over and gave us on a ball after the 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:45.600 incern That's awesome. They came over and gave I guess 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:47.800 they were coming. I assume coming from somewhere else who 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:50.680 had gotten a foul ball came and gave balls. Two 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:52.080 other people did that. 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:54.280 That is so so, that's cool. 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.440 But then Roles, he still didn't have anything negative to 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:57.200 say about this woman. 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:59.360 No, he didn't. He said, I don't want her life 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.040 to be ruined. He said, she brought that on. She's 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:05.080 gonna pay for that, and it's not by my hand, 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:07.320 so you know, I mean, it's not that he wants 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:09.360 it for her, but he's seeing it happening in real time. 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:11.960 But he had an opportunity to bash her and he 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:15.040 did not. And the interviewer asked, would you accept the 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:16.720 ball if she wanted to apologize and give you the 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:21.120 ball back? He said yes. But the reason he said yes, 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.440 he said, would be out of respect for her. He said, 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:28.679 given the person that I know, she is, giving it 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:31.160 back would be really hard for her. 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:34.679